Two U.S. Soldiers Arrested for Offering Assassination Services to Mexican Drug Cartel
- Posted on March 27, 2012 at 10:55am by
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Federal authorities have broken up an alleged murder-for-hire plot involving U.S. soldiers based in Colorado, who allegedly thought they were offering an array of hit squad services to Mexican Zeta drug cartel members, and who were also involved in a broader national drug ring.
The Colorado Springs Gazette has the details on the chilling story:
“A former Fort Carson officer allegedly offered to steal weapons from the post and organize a murder-for-hire plot with another soldier as part of a nationwide drug-trafficking ring they tried to run, the U.S. Attorney’s Office said Monday. 1st Lt. Kevin Corley, 29, who was discharged from the Army earlier this month, was arrested Saturday in Laredo, Texas, while finalizing details with undercover agents for the contract killing, according to a criminal complaint filed in a U.S. District Court in Texas.
Corley later admitted to federal agents that he organized a four-person kill team to raid a ranch in Texas and steal 20 kilograms of cocaine, the complaint said. Two of those alleged team members — including a sergeant at Fort Carson — were arrested Saturday in the sting, the complaint said. The final alleged member — Corley’s cousin, Jerome Corley — was shot to death while federal agents moved in to arrest the men.”
Corley was first talked to by undercover agents on Sept. 26 after they noticed a picture of a grenade they deduced has been smuggled off from the military post.
Prosecutors allege that over the course of several months Corley offered tactical training to undercover agents posing as Zetas drug cartel members, including “room clearing, security and convoy security.” The Chicago Tribune reports that the feds also claim the suspects offered to sell them sniper rifles and fully automatic weapons.
The sting operation reached its climax on Saturday in Laredo, Texas, when agents received confirmation that Corley and his three associates were ready to move on the cartel assassination plot, according to the criminal complaint released in court on Monday.
According to the Chicago Tribune’s description of the criminal complaint, Corley allegedly discussed the murder-for-hire job with the undercover agent, “saying he had purchased a new Ka-Bar knife to carve a “Z” in the victim’s chest a calling card of the Zetas cartel and a hatchet to dismember his body.”
Authorities claim the undercover officers called for backup to swoop in and arrest the suspects and during the apprehension effort, a federal agent fired several rounds that struck and killed Jerome Corley.
Kevin Corley, Sgt. Samuel Walker, 28 — both of Colorado Springs — and Shavar Davis, 29, of Denver, are scheduled to appear in a Texas courtroom for a detention hearing on Thursday.
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Viking64
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 12:26pmAl and Jesse should be on the air soon, condemning these two black soldiers, ya like a big snow ball in Hell they will? Liberal Hypocrites , getting money and power ,by pushing race baits!
Report Post »NOTAMUSHROOM
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 12:37pmYup. And this is what happens when you induct gang bangers into the US Military.
Great.
Report Post »Detroit paperboy
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 12:41pmFine young Democrats….. Indeed !!!
Report Post »Sirfoldallot
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:36pmThey r not white spanish, ( they r CLOWNS A.S. & J.J )
Report Post »yiska8
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 2:15pmGreat. Now the Nation of Islam, Black Panthers, and every stinking race baitor from NY to Cali will be running their mouth about how these innocent black men are American heroes forced into criminality because of Bush’s economy. This is just a “War on Blacks”, right? The truth is that not even the Zetas would go hire out to these no count losers. They tend to hire kids or recruit from their own corrupt military ranks in Mexico. These guys would have been easily expendable to the cartel. One job and they’re gone. Amazing how much work went into this case. Now lets see how far it gets. I doubt Holder knew anything about this massive problem within our military members mingling with Mexican cartels. He’s too busy covering his own cowarldly *ss with F&F.
Report Post »The_Almighty_Creestof
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 2:38pmSend their butts back to the front and make them walk point, unarmed, covered in bacon, with a continuous recording blaring from their helmets “Moe is a sheep molester!”
Report Post »Ruler4You
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 2:40pmShoud’a checked with the U.S. D.o.J. and B.A.T.F.&E. dudes. You can’t muscle in on government rackets. I‘m sure ’Fast & Furious‘ could have used a couple of ’smart‘ enterprising guys like ya’ll, though.
Report Post »pavepaws
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 3:17pmEntrapment.
Report Post »robert
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 4:06pm“Prosecutors allege that over the course of several months Corley offered tactical training to undercover agents posing as Zetas drug cartel members, including “room clearing, security and convoy security.”
Take note of the stupidity of these men, and how far down the military has dropped in its standards by making one of them an officer in spite of all obvious signs that he‘s an absolute imbecile that probably couldn’t pass a GED test n the high school level. I’ve witnessed the same types during my tour. That they can’t accurately read a topographical map, which could cause artillary support to rain down on friendly forces is only one of the failings these people like him display.
The military has become a social engineering experiment, not a qualified fighting machine. It‘s shameful and it’s appalling.
Offering to train The Zetas is also indicative of a moron. The Zetas are US Army Special Forces trained paramilitaries who are trained far better than these delusional retards. Offering to “teach” them anything or to act as a defending force is laughable.
I remember how hysterically the SPLC and the Defamation League screamed about “white supremacists” in the military, yet never said a word about black gangbangers who inundate the military en masse.
They also have infiltrated police depts. all over the country.
Welcome to Obama’s (And Clinton”s) (And Jimmy Carter’s) new America. It will get far worse.
Report Post »Secret Squirrel
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 4:42pm.
Report Post »I’m shocked!
Obviously, the military is racist for
assuming these fine young men could
be involved in anything wrong.
Trayvon would be offended.
CobraBill
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 5:30pmIf they has a young son, I wonder who he would look like.
Report Post »Onowicit
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 10:09pmIt ain’t like the MOVIES boyz! Word up. Pants down…..Spread um.
Report Post »Latter-Day-Soldier
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 3:59amComment @ ROBERT: I’ve seen the same types of “soldiers” you are talking about, there was at least one in every platoon I served with while overseas, most are trouble makers, but some do leave the gang-banger “life” and make a career out of the military, and I wish more would make that same decision.
Report Post »teamarcheson
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 3:22pmHoodies, More Hoodies…
Obama has poised the mind of every black and partial black in America. If Obama is voted out, these blacks will burn down every city and Whites with their White Guilt will be too terrorized to save themselves.
Report Post »Tickdog
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 12:21pmthis will be swept under the rug.. just give it time..
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 5:03pm“Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes”… Who will Protect us from our Protecters themselves?
It’s an old Problem… as old as Ancient Rome!
Report Post »COFemale
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 12:12pmThen again this could be an extension of Fast and Furious. Rather than guns they are tracking grenades once they move over the border. (Sarcasm)
Report Post »COFemale
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 12:09pmIt is scary to think these two were at Ft. Carson here in Colorado. I was really shocked to find out one was an officer. Ft. Carson is an Army members dream location to be stationed. Ft Carson is one of the better bases in the Army. Also a 1st Lt does not make a bad salary, but I guess the greed of making more got to these two. As far as being former gang member, that remains to be seen. Perhaps it is what it is, two individuals who decided they could make a bundle selling arms to the drug cartels or carry out assassinations . It is just plain GREED and stupidity.
Report Post »therealconservative
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 6:19pmSorry to break this to you but Carson is not a dream PSC (4ID from 90 -93)
Report Post »krmike
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 12:05pmThey have nothing to worry about just ask holder !! Gun‘s or paid assassins are ok with holder as long as they aren’t “White” !!!
Report Post »ShyMan
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 12:03pmThere are bad apples in every bunch. Find them and get rid of them.
Any MP would tell you the same.
Sometimes they slip through. It happens. Nothing to panic about.
They need to be made an example of in a big public way though.
Report Post »lcltcc
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 2:04pmIt goes way beyong slipping through the cracks, the DOD has let gangs infiltrate the military, they have relaxed the regs to let criminals in the military, and they ignore signs that something is up with bad service members, look at the Ft Hood Shooter. My husband has been in the military for 20 yrs. and he has seen a lot going on that is chilling.
Report Post »yiska8
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 2:46pmThese kinds of guy seem like the type that were offered a this/or jail/prison type scenario. You’d be surprised how many people our broken justice system forces into the military in order to avoid jail time. Do 48-72 months at Pelican Bay for these charges or consider joining the military. Who the hell is going to do hard time, when they can continue their criminal ways with full benefits, a pension, life insurance,state of the art training, and access to expensive weaponry? Don‘t know if that’s the case here with these two Obama type intellectuals, but it not surprise me in the least.
Report Post »Griffin06
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 7:03pmYiska, that jail or military option is a thing long dead. Unfortunately, over the last few years, recruiting standards were dropped and lots of people were let in that should never have been allowed to enlist. It has created tremendous problems in discipline. Still, the vast majority of Soldiers are good men and women who love their nation and believe in our traditional values.
Report Post »MAMMY_NUNN
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 7:37pmThat‘s where the relaxing in basic training comes in if it were tough like the older days you either made it or you didn’t they either cracked under the pressure or physically. Weeding out the bad attitudes and mentally unfit got harder when they relaxed the training. How an officer made it through I could understand all he had to do was scream racism and get promoted.
Report Post »MAMMY_NUNN
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 12:39amI said this awhile back but we let people from other countries join are military train them give them citizenship and then they go work for the cartels.
Report Post »yiska8
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 9:52am@Griffin06 Military service is often “suggested” or “encouraged” by the judges to the families of young offenders. Not all judges do this and the kid or young person cannot be forced, but parents will prefer their “baby” go into the military as rotten as they may be, rather than do a county jail stint or prison time at Pelican Bay for 18- 72 months depending on the charges. They just continue as they have been criminally and the taxpayer pays their way as usual. There needs to be some serious weeding of the bad apples in our military.
@Mammy Nunn We have a lot of military training schools and bases in San Antonio. Let me tell you, I see more Saudi Arabian military here at language school/flight school/medic training all the time. Even Egyptians come here to train. I run into them everywhere. Ironically, I do not hear or see too many Mexican military train here, since they are pretty busy at the moment. Columbian military members are also a presence here and we give them more money on top of it to for the war on drugs.
Report Post »BuggiOlleo
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 12:02pmCurious, if these guys were hired as Mercs, outside of steeling a cash of weapons from Base, what are their charges, and did it deserve the killing of a US citizen? This article is informative but nothing else- Maybe they needed a business license for assassination overseas?
Report Post »SoupSandwich
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 12:44pmCache pinhead. No license needed for overseas work, experience though. Yes, it is sometimes benneficial to put down rabid animals, even an American citizen wanting to make money for and from narco-terrorists and selling out his fellow soldiers with the whole oath thing. Trolling for a different response or do you want to also legalize coke, theft of automatic weapons, and murder? Travesty is now they get the UCMJ and time above ground when a simple solution would have been Chinese in nature and put them against the wall, and bill the family for the bullet. Or N Korean and tie them to a pole on a mortar range. You pick.
Report Post »Optimist4now
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 12:01pmOne contributing factor:
Militaty discipline has become too polically correct so the bad habits cannot be drilled out of the recruits — they can get away with murder (pardon the pun).
Report Post »wolverine
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 11:54amAre these Trayvons brothers
Report Post »poster
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 12:31pmThey must be feeding them pretty well in the military. Somebody better call Michelle Obama and tell her they’re eating the wrong foods. Let’s Move!!!
Report Post »semihardrock
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 11:53amThese two Mexican boys were just in the wrong place at the wrong time, just ask Al Sharpton!
Report Post »Bill Rowland
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 6:21amAll they need to do is claim that they were setting up a sting and intended to turn their operation ove to DOJ.
That would make the heroes. Then Jesse, Al and Holdup could come to their rescue and the agent who shot the fourth member would be arrested for interfering with the operation and killing a patriot.
OMG 2012
Report Post »Gary_K
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 11:53amWelcome to the communists new military, filled with hoods, druggies and gays.
Report Post »SpeckledPup
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 11:52amAmerica’s hispanics outnumber blacks in America, hmm, and blacks are screaming to kill the “WHITE” hispanics.. hmm. wonder how the obama-led race war will turn out? those obamablacks have their pro-obama ‘uniform’ right on them.
Report Post »yiska8
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 2:53pmEveryone I grew up with is pretty much a “white Hispanic”! Light skinned. We speak English and Spanish. We like Cheeseburgers, apple pie, nachos, and tre leches cake!! And our neighborhoods have community watches!! Oh no, King Barry and his media minions have it out for us now as a group. He‘ll work for the black Hispanics’ vote I guess. The rest of us are screwed.
Report Post »welovetheUSA
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 11:48amWhat a Surprize…………they are black.
Report Post »drago
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 12:04pm@Welovetheusa.
Report Post »You beat me too it…
South Philly Boy
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 11:45amThat’s what happens when Standards are LOWERED
Report Post »SpeckledPup
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 11:39amwow, didn’t even need to see the photos…
Report Post »THX-1138
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 11:36amHow many times can I be “shocked” before I start getting fines? I’m at, like, 200 for this week alone…
Report Post »Nevermind
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 11:33amPlan B
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 11:20am
As Gonzo said, there is a huge problem with gangs in the military.
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/justicelawlegislation/a/gangs.htm
They have no problem getting into the military and are bringing their training back with them to the streets
**************
Just like all the white supremacists that join the military and start camps in North Carolina? I know this for fact so unless you want to speak on both dont bring up the “black boogey men” in the military. Skinheads and other groups have made military training one of their criteria for recruits for years and are setting up camps all over the south, i have seen this with my own eyes thanks to a buddy of mine who is a former SEAL. So spare me wiht the black boogey man crap when white folks have been doing this for years
Report Post »MONICNE
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 11:50amAs long as we have an “all volunteer” military that needs new blood, we are going to balance how we get the 1% of those who actually fight for our freedom to have the highest moral standards. But all the neocons care about is filling billets with air breathers.
At least when we had the draft, some persons at the top had to actually care about the quality of the Services because their own children might be selected somehow to maybe go in harms way.
TEA
Report Post »wolverine
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 11:56amExplain the New Black Panther Party and their vigilante actions
Report Post »toomuchgovt
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 11:56amTwo wrongs never make a right. When will we start acting like Americans. Either we stand together or divided we shall surely fall. I am a devout christian, conservative and support our military. I believe the government must be cut back to allow the people to start the process of being more self reliant again. This will be a painful process, but we are Americans and as Americans, if we all come together, we can do this. It is our country at stack.
Report Post »drago
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 12:08pm@nevermind aka encinom aka moncine aka village idiot.
Report Post »You are as they say, more full of **** than a Christmas goose.You state all of your b/s as fact, yet have no proof,get lost trolltard……
Walkabout
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 12:22pmWith my own eyes I see far more black racists than white racists.
Mouth breather? First of all you have to pass an ASVAB. There are body weight standards. We are seeing more and more reports where fewer & fewer people qualify. So whatever trolls.
Report Post »SREGN
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 11:22amI hope nobody on the swat team was named Zimmerman.
Report Post »LookingforJustice
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 11:58amDo either one of these guys qualify to “look like” Obama’s son?
Report Post »Biff_Poindexter
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 12:05pm@OklahomaBound – Do you think we should ban minorities from being in the military or law enforcement?
Report Post »momprayn
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 11:22amAdd this humongous problem to the rest — the infiltration of traitors/gangs in the military….including Commanders, officers, etc. that agree with Obama on unionization/international military. I’ve been seeing more and more of this. Who knows how long it’s been going on. It’s not only these, it’s also re pushing & helping the Islamic agenda against us.. I’m sure this is just another important segment here that the Communists knew had to be “conquered”/transformed and probably have been working on it for decades – flying under the “radar” – just like Obama did and all the liberals in our Dept. of Education, etc. We are now realizing and seeing it come to a head. They’ve apparently decided to give the final “green lilght” to complete with help from the rest of the world with like minds. They woiuldn’t have decided this without confidence it could be accomplished now with Obama as President & all his powers. We need Divine intervention guys.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 11:39am@MOMPRAYN ..
agree .. just look at those two ..thugs ..they don’t look like U.S. military. Not racist or color of skin .. it is the way they project an attitude in the photos.
Report Post »OklahomaBound
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 11:55amI was thinking the same thing momprayn. Our military has lowered its standards for hiring, that’s how thugs, gang members and leftist who actually hate the country and the military have gotten in. That little leftist quee.r Pvt. Manning who leaked classified info to Wikileaks is another example. We are better off having a smaller military of Patriots than to lower standards just to fill the ranks more thoroughly with traitors.
We are seeing this same trend in our big city police forces, lower standards so minority thugs can get in and then we’re surprised when some of them are participating in crimes themselves or not applying the law properly….and I’m a former police officer myself. By the way I’m not disparaging either group (military or police) I have great respect for both, see both as the good guys (sorry P@ultards), I just realize that lower standards have allowed criminals and leftist to infiltrate both groups just like they have in Gov, schools, churches, courts, etc.
Report Post »JP4JOY
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 12:01pmI agree. Without “converting” our military there is no way to “take over” our country. The Commie/Marxists and the Islamers are patient and will work for years and decades to undermine the foundations of our country. We need to wake up to the threat and shine the light of truth upon it.
Report Post »SpankDaMonkey
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 11:22am.
Report Post »More Blacks willing to kill Mexicans!!! Is this what Obama wants?……….
Plan B
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 11:20amAs Gonzo said, there is a huge problem with gangs in the military.
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/justicelawlegislation/a/gangs.htm
They have no problem getting into the military and are bringing their training back with them to the streets.
Report Post »HorseCrazy
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 11:26amthis never ending war has made them lower their standards when they recruit. This is the consequence of that. Huge problems coming in the future when the idiots that they let in all come home. I am close to joint base lewis mcchord and the quality of folks has gone completely down hill. Every day I feel like there is a new story of a soldier raping a young girl in our area or a murder commited bar brawls etc. Its time to get back to higher standards of who we let in.
Report Post »jungle J
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 11:50amthe lower standards are because of the femanist agenda put in place years ago…along with them come all of the other weaklings
Report Post »..the weakling are promoted…etc etc.
Dismayed Veteran
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 11:59amHorse
I grew up in Lakewood and graduated from Lakes High. I was stationed at Ft Lewis after Viet Nam. I left in 1978. I went to my 40 class reunion. Lakewood has changed considerably. I am glad I no longer live there.
Report Post »chips1
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 11:19amWhy was the hyphen omitted from the story. Shouldn’t they be referred to as African-American soldiers? Exactly what are the rules concerning hyphens? I would hate to accidentally be incorrect.
Report Post »oldguy49
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 11:30amred or yellow black or white…….opps that is a religious tune………….i believe it would be correct to say black american
Report Post »Mark0331
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 11:03amDishonorable smug dirtbags…when found guilty,feed them to the wolves.
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 11:33amhoo-rah!
Report Post »Patriot of My America
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:18pmSgt. Samuel Walker will also face UCMJ and will also be brought up on artical 31 and then fave a CM.
Report Post »Dishonorable Discharge along with military confinement. And the ring leader was a 1st Lt. imagine he had honorable Men saluting his rank. The entire mess is RANK…
hauschild
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 11:03amHilarious! Where’s Sharpton? The glove don’t fit!!!
Report Post »EqualJustice
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 10:56amHOW ON EARTH did these two thugs get into the MILITARY in the first place? Is this part of that serve for citizenship crap? What a MESS!
Report Post »Sirfoldallot
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 11:06amGreed will kill.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 11:07amThe names sound American. There are bad eggs in any large organization. I have read that gang activity in the military is at an all time high. I woouldn’t be too surprised to find out these two were involved.
Report Post »brntout
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 11:08amHow did Nadal Hassan get into the military? It is infiltrated with a number of despots .Remember gov’t would like to see the military unionized.
Report Post »Apple Bite
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 11:26amHow they got in?
Report Post »The Army will take in anyone. Even Forrest Gump would’ve shook his head at these two getting in.
MEANS2RESIST
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 11:35am~EqualJustice
HOW ON EARTH did these two thugs get into the MILITARY in the first place? Is this part of that serve for citizenship crap? What a MESS!
And to have been a commissioned officer nonetheless. Looks like the ol’ LT offerd up some damn good training to his dead cousin, I would have expected at the very least, that US Army troopers plotting an operation of this brazen intention, would have @ least shot it out when being raided by the FEDs & would have expected the (4) man kill team to have at least smoked a few of those FEDs before they were taken down……Shameful.
I don’t know how easy it may be to steal weapons from the US Army base, but in the USMC its nearly impossible…..
Report Post »Dismayed Veteran
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 11:44amThe military is a cross section of our society. That is why the US Army has Military Police and Criminal Investigations Command.
Report Post »Disabledvet
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 11:54amI think the US government should have hired them to take out the Drug Cartel.
Report Post »Toltepeceno
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:24pm@disabledvet, good idea they would last about 2 minutes down here looking for the narcos.
Report Post »yiska8
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 4:57pm@DisabledVet
Report Post »These guys were fortunate to have gotten caught. The Zetas would have left them in pieces with their new Ka-Bars, once the deal was done of course. Not many realize this, but black people are on the bottom of the totem pole culturally and racially in Mexico. I guess Mexico’s cartel bosses should do some soul searching on racial harmony,according to our Prez.
Charles
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 6:52pmTo the zetas blacks are definitely lower than whale dung on the bottom of the ocean. They both look like they think they’re real bad. After they did the hit they would be have been paid with lead and the bodies disposed of. Our army is full of this trash. Our army is training gang members also. To weed them out or deny them entry into the armed forces would be discrimination dont you know. . . The military’s highest brass is beholden to our enemies in D.C.
Report Post »yiska8
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 9:56pm@Charles
Report Post »Our nation is being stabbed with political correctness and the nation has lost count of the stabs. At this point, I hate to say it, but at least the Zetas have some standards and they are the bad guys. You and I know these boys wouldn’t have lasted South of the border, down Mexico way. The cartels have a structure that puts our spineless politically correct U.S. Generals and their “diverse military” to shame. They are weakening it.What this nation needs is a hell of a lot more leaders like General Patton and Eisenhower in order to break men and build them back up and throw out the trash that are not fit to wear an American military uniform like these two and many more. Our men and women who wear the uniform honorably deserve far better than the leadership they’re stuck with.
Toltepeceno
Posted on March 30, 2012 at 12:51pm@yiska8 Dark skin of any kind is looked way down on here, more so than in the us. Just ask a kid that goes to school here with very dark skin. The good area is where the light skinned people are. It’s definitely not well known up there, it’s taken for granted here.
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