TX House Approves Bill Requiring Sonogram Before Abortions
- Posted on March 4, 2011 at 1:15pm by
Jonathon M. Seidl
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The Texas House of Representatives voted overwhelmingly yesterday to pass a bill that requires women seeking abortions to first get a sonogram as well as listen to audio, if available, of the unborn baby’s heartbeat.
Reuters reports:
The proposal, the first significant bill considered by the House this year, was designated by Republican Governor Rick Perry as an emergency priority. A similar measure has already been approved by the state Senate.
Women would have to get an ultrasound between 24 and 72 hours before an abortion, the bill says. They would view the sonogram, hear an explanation of the image and listen to the heartbeat, if it is audible. [...]
Democrats tried unsuccessfully to add a series of amendments to the bill. One of those said that if the woman decided not to go through with the abortion, the state would have to pay for the college education for the child. Another, which also would have applied to cases in which the woman decided not to have the abortion, would have allowed women to get a court order to require the father of the child to get a vasectomy.
“We want to make sure that they’re fully informed, that they understand the medical consequences, the psychological consequences and everything involved in the procedure,” the bill’s author, Republican state Rep. Sid Miller, told Reuters.
Not everyone is happy, however. For example, opponents of the bill claim it’s an intrusive procedure and it will traumatize women.
“This is not the jelly on the belly that most of you think,” Rep. Carol Alvarado, a Houston Democrat, told Reuters. “This is government intrusion at its best.”
The bill still faces a minor procedural hurdle on Monday (when it’s expected to be fully passed), and it must be rectified with a similar bill passed in the Senate last month. That, says Sen. Dan Patrick (R-Houston), is of the utmost importance and could be difficult.
“I appreciate the hard work and the efforts of the House, and if I could vote for their bill by myself, I’d sign off on it,” Patrick told the Fort Worth Star Telegram. “But we do not have the votes to pass their bill, and every day that goes by, we lose potentially 40 to 50 lives. So we cannot let this process linger.”
The Telegram explains some of the key differences:
The Senate bill contains exemptions for victims of incest and rape, which the House bill does not. Another key difference centers on the amount of time between the sonogram and the abortion.
Under the House bill, a sonogram must be performed no later than 24 hours before an abortion. The Senate bill would allow the sonogram to be performed up to two hours beforehand. Many proponents say the House version would give women more time to rethink their decision.
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BeTruthful
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 2:25pmI’m a staunch, constitutional conservative, but I see a lot of hypocrisy in most of these posts/comments. That‘s why I can’t stand with Republicans. Government intrusion is just that. But as long as it fits your ideology, then it’s OK. I’m not pro abortion, I’m pro individual freedom, responsibility, and accountability. This law is wrong.
Report Post »Dale
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 2:28pmBeTruthful;
If you are pro-individual freedom, how do you explain taking away that freedom from an unborn child?
Report Post »Tx Spud Bar
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 2:56pmGovernment intrusion , We will be paying for the abortions with obama care.What happened to the babies rights.The Constitution should protect them .THe baby , not asked to be conceived is to be killed because the “adult” doesn’t want responsibility for their actions .Our country is morally broke .Look at our money “IN GOD WE TRUST ” THOUGH SHALL NOT KILL ,what a sad day when people will not stand up for a gift from GOD.
Report Post »UpstateNYConservative
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 2:57pmWhy is this law wrong? Please elucidate…
Report Post »twinelm
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 3:23pmIf you are a constitutional conservative then you would recognize the state’s OBLIGATION to protect the innocent from harm. Your logic is completely bogus. That is like saying anti theft laws violate your right to take whatever you want for yourself. DUH. THINK.
Report Post »biggreenboo
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 3:44pm@DALE
Under the law that child does not have freedoms yet. Regardless of your personal or religous beliefes… as it stands BETRUTHFUL is correct.
I know this will piss off most of you… but you (everyone… not just you DALE) better figure out a way to find some middle ground with the other side. That goes for them also. This issue is tearing America apart… if you want know true evil (the devil, satan, mean spirt) it’s the division that is between the two sides. It’s just crazy to watch the RAGE in the peoples eyes over abortion.
Report Post »Anyway… I just got a $2900 boat repair bill… so my mind is all over the place.
Everyone have a good weekend… and try to listen to someone this weekend… step back and hear… you don’t have to believe or agree. That’s for everybody, me too.
BGB
Dale
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 4:16pmBoo;
There is no middle ground with EVIL!
Report Post »The Coming New World Order
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 4:23pmTO: BIGGREENBOO
One big flaw in your argument; You say that the real evil is division. I don’t know if you a Bible believing person or not, but Christ never called anoyone to unity. “I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.”
Real evil is seeing evil and looking the other way. Think of the Good Samaritan. If we only care about unity and harmony, then evil wins every time. Killing of humans (in any stage of development) is evil, and Christ called all of us to defend the widows, children, and the helpless.
Report Post »hopnmad
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 7:53pmIt’s not government intrusion to protect life..we are guaranteed the right to “LIFE, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of HAPPINESS” Notice that LIFE is one of our rights. Wise up!
Report Post »ofallon
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 2:23pmThank God for Texas. I know many babies will be saved because of it.
Report Post »kilwil888
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 2:22pmThis is great news and that is the BEST pregnancy pic I’ve ever seen!! That lil tiny foot….priceless.
BeTruthful
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 2:26pmIt’s fake. Photoshop.
Report Post »Katayno
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 2:20pmIt’s about time….now the rest of the 49 states!!!!
Report Post »hopnmad
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 7:31pmI wish I was in Texas..it stinks being in California and that bill will never pass here..unfortunately
Report Post »Nevermind
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 2:19pm“TumbleBumble
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 2:09pm
You are the one spinning, Never. It‘s dishonest of you to act as though you don’t know it’s all about the baby.
Should government stay out of murder cases?
No one is being used here. We, the People, are calling the shots. And it’s about time, once again”
It is not spining at all, just point out how the GOP is supposed to be against government intrusion. They dont want the government to get between the patient and the doctor yet they pass this law. You cant say one thing and do the exact opposite and think noone will notice.
Its not about the baby, its about scoring points wiht the base. The GOP only cares about a child until they are born, once they are born what can the GOP offer the mother that couldnt afford to have a childin the first place? It is legal to have an abortion and they are making it harder for people to follow a law that they GOP dont like.
So it is ok for the government to get between a patient and the doctor? Then you gotta support it across the borad. You cant pick and choose.
Government should be involved in murder cases becasue murder is illegal. Abortion is legal, period. You can split hairs over when a life is a life but the fact is the law states it is legal. So your example has nothing to do wiht this bill. One is legal the other is not. Try another example.
By the way , my wife had an abortion. We have a child now but we had an abortion years ago. It was her choice and i supported it. I love my child very much and am glad i can take care of him.
Report Post »Dale
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 2:36pmI pity you. Your highest authority is ‘the law’? Do you know how laws are made? You say you love your son – You don’t care about two others you may have had – you don’t/wouldn’t love them?
Report Post »UpstateNYConservative
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 2:43pm@Nevermind
“No one is being used here. We, the People, are calling the shots. And it’s about time, once again”
Wrong. Roe REMOVED the rights of the People, of the various States, to choose what they wish. You know–by DEMOCRATIC choice. The Court didn’t stop at the Texas law, which was the case before the Bench. SCOTUS knocked out every other law, across the country. SCOTUS said, though other state laws were not presented, that those laws are null and void, too.
Liberty-in-action, huh?
Your Lady had an abortion and you have a baby together. Good for you! But, what about the one who was aborted–is there love from you and your wife for her?
Here’s one for you: My former sister-in-law had a legal abortion. After marrying a few years later, she learned she can never have a baby of her own. Why might you think that is?
Up to you. Go where you need, whatever assuages your personal way of life.
Report Post »The Coming New World Order
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 4:14pmHere is what I find amazing about the left’s argument: You only have a problem with us be cause we have a problem with the law, as it is currently written.
The “right” to an abortion is not mentioned in The Constitution, the “law” itself is not even a law. The court passed a judgment about the practice and established that there was nothing in The Constitution that prevents someone from having an abortion.
As it stands, laws have not been written or passed that legalize or illegalize the practice. We as Americans, understand this concept. Legally we have the “right” to elect persons to power who can craft legislation that can be turned into laws. All of your anger against the voters tells us that you hate the democracy, AND the fact that we have a legal right to establish laws.
Judgments of the Court can be overturned in either the court, or by legislation. But the Left is not willing to let this debate go to Washington. The process still exists for an Amendment to the Constitution, which would override any decision by the courts since they have no authority to alter to rule against it.
Quit saying this is decided, it is not, a vast majority of Americans see this as a Holocaust and want it removed from our culture. We have the right to disagree and we have the right to change laws. Remember, our government rules at the consent of the ruled.
Report Post »TumbleBumble
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 5:25pm“It is not spining at all, just point out how the GOP is supposed to be against government intrusion. They dont want the government to get between the patient and the doctor yet they pass this law.” This is not government intrusion. This is giving the female patient all the facts so she can make an informed decision. How can you be against that? Give me an example of any other surgical procedure where you wouldn’t want all the information a doctor can give you? Sounds to me as though the leftists want to keep the women in the dark. Are you afraid that more women would choose to keep their babies? Why would that bother you?
“Its not about the baby, its about scoring points wiht the base. The GOP only cares about a child until they are born, once they are born what can the GOP offer the mother that couldnt afford to have a childin the first place?” False assumption. I care about both the baby and the mother. I give monthly to CareNet, which is a pregnancy care center that offers services to the mother before as well as after the baby is delivered, in the form of diapers, clothing, money when possible, etc. I do not know why you believe the rhetoric that conservatives do not care for the baby after he/she is born. You could not be more wrong.
“Government should be involved in murder cases becasue murder is illegal. Abortion is legal, period.” True, at the moment anyway. And we are trying to get Roe v. Wade overturned. Will you support the law of the land then? Or will you be a ‘sore loser’ (your words, not mine)?
“By the way, my wife had an abortion.” I am very sorry to hear that. But I will not judge you or your wife. I will tell you how things had gone for me -
I got pregnant right after I had turned 17 years old. I was raised in a family knowing abortion was wrong. Yet my mother wanted me to get one, and I refused. I was kicked out of the house and moved in with the baby’s father. He abused me and life was awful for a few years that followed. But I never once, for a moment, ever regretted having my daughter.
I love her more than words can describe, and I look back knowing there was no other choice. I would do it all again for her. She is now a nurse in the neonatal intensive care unit at a nearby hospital. Saving babies… how about that? :)
She is worthy of life, just like your baby was. You and I made different choices. I can live with mine.
Report Post »ryguy1985
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 2:14pmLibs. just love killin babies don’t they? “Government intrusion”……please! What is so bad about showing someone what they are about to give up? Is it too much to ask to give the poor child SOME sort of a fighting chance? They can’t speak for themselves, and they can‘t exactly hold up a sign saying please don’t do this to me mommy! A picture and a heart beat is all they got!
Report Post »workinghard
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 2:13pmI know they must be out there, but where are the women who have suffered from the regretful decisions they made? If what we hear about PP is true, with their high pressure sales staff, I would think there would be 1000′s of women/girls that are willing to tell their stories. Lots of people talking to our youth about drinking/driving, doing drugs, going to jail, etc. and how it ruined their lives. I just think it would be helpful to put the truthful face to this horrible tragedy called Roe vs. Wade
Report Post »satotbs
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 2:12pmTexas taking the first step toward recovering our country. Remember the old expression “everyone who is in favor of abortion has already been born”
Report Post »vennoye
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 2:37pmThank you! I love that line–had not heard it.
Report Post »UpstateNYConservative
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 2:09pmThe Dem idea of, if a woman chooses against abortion because of this bill, the whole state should ‘pay’ for her change of mind.
I call that ‘spite’.
Anyone who does is…Well, decide for yourself (especially you liberals)
Report Post »agro21
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 2:08pmGreat idea!! However to Dear Rep. Carol Alvardo—-you call this “gov‘t intrusion at it’s best.” What do you call what Pres Obama and his admin has been doing over and over and over again?
Report Post »Redistributor
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 2:04pmI’m for it too if it does in fact save lives but this is how I see it playing out…The sonogram is done but the monitor will be in another room altogether to where the person having the abortion will not even see it.
Report Post »Mort
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 2:04pmif black america understood what was happening to them by the democrats they would have revolted years ago. Planned Parenthood targeted the minority low income neighborhoods, and stressed sex education in the inner city schools so the kids would know how to do stuff their church was teaching them not to do. This double edged sword bit both ways, denigrate the church, and ruin a childs life. The baby was gone in a minute, the guilt lasted a life time.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 2:31pmPlenty of white women doing the same thing. Statistically you’re right, there are a disproportionate number of black babies dying at the hands of their mothers. This is more than an black problem or even an American problem, this is a world wide invisible genocide. If you want to pick on a people group, let’s look at the American Jew who votes Democrat as a block. The people who constantly remind us (and rightfully so) about the genocide of the holocaust, support this genocide almost monolithically. Go figure.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 2:01pmGood idea, make the murderer look her victim in the eye first.
Report Post »Nevermind
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 1:56pmYou guys can spin it all you like but the fact is if you are tea party and support this then you are full of crap. You guys want government out of everything butt then pass a bill to put government in between a womans legs. Great job GOP and Tea Party. One day you guys will awaken to see how you have been used and noone really cares what you think.
I love watching stuppid peopel get played and you guys fall for it hook line and sinker. 2012 cant come fast enough. I cant wait for the GOP to get it handed to them.the 2010 election was about jobs and what has the GOP done in regards to the economy? Nada!! All you are pushing is social issues to divide the country.
GOP is the biggest bunch of sore losers I have ever seen. Cant stand Roe V Wade and cant get over the ruling so you try other things to prevent and legal medical procedure. Sore that you lost the 08 election so you start a “grass roots” movement to claim the president is a socialist and wasnt born here . An awful record of governing , what can you guys actually run on that you have done?
Report Post »TumbleBumble
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 2:09pmYou are the one spinning, Never. It‘s dishonest of you to act as though you don’t know it’s all about the baby.
Should government stay out of murder cases?
No one is being used here. We, the People, are calling the shots. And it’s about time, once again.
Report Post »UpstateNYConservative
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 2:17pm@Nevermind
You never READ the Roe decision, did you? I mean, in its entirety, including the dissents. I have.
I know you won’t bother, since your time is so precious, but in the third trimester the States have FULL power and authority to stop abortions.
There are many other things there, but you go on as you need.
Ask yourself, in your own head: If abortion is a bad thing (as the Left says but willfully refuses to practice), then why promote it so vociferously?
Over to you…
Report Post »Dale
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 2:21pmNoMind;
I can’t tell if you are dylslexic, a public school dropout, mis-informed, or simply a simpleton. Where are the progressive grass-roots movements? You have to bus in demonstrators, you have a few students bolstering the numbers, but I don’t know of any group without soros or union money. You don’t call fleeing to another state in the face of, ohhh a VOTE, being a sore loser? How about a so-called leader who refuses following a judge’s orders – to the point that the judge is upset – is that not being a sore loser? You may believe the slanted polls, but YOU will be surprised in 2012. If you don’t like the changes that are coming, simply leave. Oh, you won’t because there is no better place on earth, that is why I don’t understand why you want to change it: not improve it (liek your leaving).
Report Post »Katayno
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 2:27pm@ Nevermind: Our sonogram showed a baby sucking his thumb and doing a little back flip…..but then again its was only a mass of issue between a woman’s legs. You…. are a moral moron.
Report Post »biggreenboo
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 3:16pm@DALE “(liek your leaving).”
You may not cast the fist stone.
Report Post »The Coming New World Order
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 3:25pmLet’s put a fork in this argument and call it done.
Where in the medical world can a patient have anything removed from their body and not be given a detailed lecture about what needs to be removed, the risks involved, and some sore of psychological determination from the doctor? Hell, my dad had a vasectomy and was show images of the area of operation, given a detailed overview of the procedure, received counseling brochures, and scheduled medical checkups to make sure everything was going well.
This law is no different, rather it is forcing clinics to perform their due diligence to the patient. I can’t think of any surgery being performed without imaging (which is shown to the patient) and a detailed discussion of the item to be removed, with the patient. Yet a person can have internal surgery to remove “living tissue” from their bodies without this type of treatment?
Medical law is filled with tons of ruling and guidelines for any operating procedure and all of them are a type of interjection of the government into personal healthcare. The Tea Party is not against government interjection when lives, health, or abuse are at stake. We do however have a problem when the government wants to force us to eat certain food, undergo forced checkups, or to pay fines for not being a government Guinea pig.
This law have everything to do with the right of the patient to be fully informed of all the facts and making sure clinics and doctors provide those facts without bias. A doctor can lay on all kinds of bias when telling the patient it’s just a bunch of worthless tissue, but they can’t lay on bias when showing the patient a picture of the truth.
Report Post »Jaycen
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 3:28pm@NEVERMIND
“…that you have done?”
I haven’t done much, except vote for people I thought best represented my beliefs. That’s all I can do. Unfortunately, the available candidates weren’t always the best selections for my beliefs (George Bush is an excellent example).
I don’t hold you personally responsible for what President Obama has done. I’m frustrated reading your comment that you lump people together. I’m not a GOP member, but I do belong to the Tea Party. I have traditionally voted for Republicans, but at the state level, I almost always vote Constitution Party.
I have voted for Democrats, but very infrequently. Rarely do I find Democrats who hold enough of my own beliefs.
Does this make me stupid? I don‘t automatically assume you’re stupid because we disagree. Maybe THAT makes me stupid….It’s a tough call.
Most of your comment was spin, if you re-read it with an objective mind. Your over-arching point about Government Intrusion, though, could be valid. Try to think it through more thoroughly, and try to leave out the extraneous comments. You might reach some of us on that level.
This law doesn’t prevent a woman from getting an abortion, it requires her to view a short video and listen to brief audio before getting the procedure. If I go to purchase a gun, I’m required to fill out paperwork that allows them to perform a background check on me, and then puts me on a government registration list.
Let’s compare those two concepts in terms of government intrusion, shall we?
Abortion – inconvenienced for a few minutes before getting what you want.
Gun Purchase – inconvenienced for days, tracked by the government forever.
Hrmmmm….
Report Post »twinelm
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 3:30pmDo not kid yourself. This is about good vs evil. Which side are you on again? The murderer’s? Abortion is murder, period. All this bill does is require the murderer be shown the truth of the act beforehand. There are two victims in abortion. The baby of course, and the one who orders innocent life be extinguished for convenience and whose life will be tormented by that decision for the rest of her life, either mentally, physically or both… (research the connection between abortion and breast cancer which Planned Parenthood is working so hard to conceal if you don’t believe me) The so called doctor of course is no victim but an accomplice of Satan and will enjoy an eternity by his side.
Report Post »Dale
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 3:46pmbiggreenboo;
Since you cast the first stone: a typo – I assume you’re familiar with them.
Report Post »Wilma
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 1:55pmGod bless Texas!
Report Post »encinom
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 3:32pmGod damned Texas. This is nothing more than holier than thou christian tea-baggers showing off their lack of caring. To have safe abortion is the right of women and a choose to be made between her and her doctor, without some government intrusion.
Tea-baggers with Ohio and Wis., and now this are showing the nation how backwards and tyrannical they are.
hopnmad
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 7:01pm@ Encinom
Why God damn Texas? Because they are taking a stand you don’t agree with? How juvenile.
Report Post »hopnmad
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 7:07pm@ Ecinom
It’s not government intrusion for the government to ensure a woman knows all the facts..doctors should be doing this in abortion clinics to begin..hmm, I wonder why they aren’t doing it? Interesting, maybe you should look into why that is..
Report Post »TexasCommonSense
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 9:23pmencinom, if you don’t like Texas, that’s fine by me, don’t come here. Stick with one of the liberal bastions; there are plenty from which to choose.
So where do the rights of the child come into your thinking?
Report Post »NICE NICE TACO
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 1:53pmThat photo is amazing!
Report Post »Alydia
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 1:47pmDeliver the baby safely and abort the mother. How shameful that women do this to the innocent…they are supposed to be caregivers not murderers!
Report Post »Dale
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 1:47pmFrom the article: “Not everyone is happy, however. For example, opponents of the bill claim it’s an intrusive procedure and it will traumatize women.
“This is not the jelly on the belly that most of you think,” Rep. Carol Alvarado, a Houston Democrat, told Reuters. “This is government intrusion at its best.””
These people don’t think abortion is intrusive? They don’t think the baby is traumatized? These people are unbelievable!
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 1:54pmAmen to that!
Report Post »teachermitch32
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 2:38pmNot to mention the potential and likely permenant damage caused to the mother after such a procedure. Many are left, not only with emotional scares, but damage to there reproductive organs, need for blood transfusions and increase of hepititus infection, further medical proceedure to fix a perforated bowel or other damage, sometimes even death of the mother. This killing proceedure follows them for the rest of their lives. There are many men who carry this burden of heart as well and regret ever being part of the process from conception onward, although many are gratified in the immediate because it eliminates financial burden. It often catches up to them later in life…when they mature and grow a conscience.
I have listened to and read testimony for women who have had the picture (full counsel) and have said, “if I had only know or seen this before I would not have had an abortion. I just didn’t know.”. If a picture helps one to make a wise decision then it is simple…provide the picture. No trauma, no damage.
Report Post »Kodiak Grizzly
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 1:45pmA picture is worth more than a 1000 words. Beautiful.
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 1:53pmAnd could save a life!
Report Post »tinlizy
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 1:41pmGood. A good sound decision before euginics is better thant abortion on a mass scale. Young girls are not able to make good sound decisions without any preparation of this horrific surgical procedure and no counseling to help them afterwords. It is America’s dirtiest little secret. Millions of women live in agony about their decisions and they live with it t he rest of their lives.
The only difference between a serial killer and an abortin doctor is the age of the victim.
The New Paul Revere.
Report Post »Dale
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 1:48pmI posted about a California woman I knew who had an abortion – she was not the same person afterward – went from outgoing and vivacious to reticent and retired.
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 1:50pmYou ROCK, TinLizy!
Report Post »vennoye
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 2:24pmYou are so right!! When you read the stats on the mental health issues many of these women have it is horrible–and prolonged. Maybe, this will be a good thing for both Mother and child.
Report Post »MaggieRose
Posted on March 5, 2011 at 9:07amtinlizy… like that quote…
Report Post »Mikee T
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 1:40pmYou get that Sebellius ? Planned Parenthood ? You get that ? Understand we are ON TO YOU murderers…….
Report Post »HUNITHUNIT
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 1:40pmThose among you who call yourselves conservative, who vilify the health care bill because of the “government intrusion” in your lives, please answer just one question for me. How is this any different?
Report Post »Edgar Bennet
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 1:43pmIn the same way that laws requiring sterile needles and medical equipment are not an intrusion
Report Post »rojotx
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 1:46pmOh so your saying Roe vs. Wade is not intrusion on the States Rights. This is to show the mother that it is not “only a bunch of cells” as the Planned Parenthood peeps have been show to say! Hmm, and that is supported by the “gubberment”.
Don’t ask me for a link, you do the research since I wouldn’t what to intrude on your day!
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 1:48pm@HUNITHUNIT
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 1:40pm
Those among you who call yourselves conservative, who vilify the health care bill because of the “government intrusion” in your lives, please answer just one question for me. How is this any different?
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Because there are those of us who are civilized enough to understand that if a potential mother realizes that she is about to kill a viable fetus, she might have second thoughts about abortion and choose to give it up for adoption.
Which is worse, “government intrusion” or “murder” in your opinion?
Report Post »TexasCommonSense
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 1:57pmHUNITHUNIT, read Amendment 10 of the US Constitution. That’ll answer your question. That’s my favorite amendment. If you don’t like what your state is doing you can vote with your feet and leave, like they’re doing in California. If the Federal government implements something you don‘t like you’re stuck with it.
Report Post »ablisterin
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 2:20pmOh how the darkness hates the light.
Report Post »Dustyluv
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 2:23pmBecause you can get them for FREE in almost any town in Texas MORON!
Report Post »RightWingMom
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 6:24pmFederal vs. State…It’s REALLY simple if you understand how our Republic is set up.
Report Post »FactOrFiction
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 1:37pmWhat’s the harm in getting a sonogram? Those proposed amendments were bogus, though i’m not surprised. Forcing the dad to get a vasectomy? Really?! Now THAT’S goverment intrusion!
Report Post »biggreenboo
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 1:49pmWhat’s the harm of a sonogram?… oh I don’t know………….. how about another law, chipping away at our freedoms. I know, I know… it’s a life. I’m just done with all the laws and rules and crap.
And the vacectomy things… Thanks Dems… That is rich!!!!!!!!
And college… those kids will just be on a roof protesting something anyway… don’t worry, somebody will pay. Just not them.
Report Post »TumbleBumble
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 1:59pmThe whole ‘forcing the dad to get a vasectomy’ thing was a new mind-blower for me. I’ve heard it suggested that the mom should be sterilized, but why go after the man?
I wonder if these wackos have any idea how insane they sound?
Report Post »biggreenboo
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 2:38pmI stand corrected (from another thread) It is a state law… if you don’t like it you can move. Altough… why move when you can just go across state lines and get one done there with out the mandatory sonogram.
Report Post »Nobamazone
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 4:07pmGo Texas! Great start to ending this legal murder in our country.
Report Post »although I think government forced sterilization of anyone is a unexcusable violation…. why NOT go after the dad’s a little more? Not sure what the answer is, thought about this one a great deal, but still no good solution. Jail time for not paying child support has not worked well, but something must be done. Deadbeat dads with kids all over the place are one of the leading causes of poverty in america. women who constantly fall for these guys also a huge problem. any idea’ out there blazers?
GeneralBeasley
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 1:33pmoh wonderful a sonogram, how about a lobotomy.
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 1:44pmLobotomy isn’t going to help save the baby. The sonogram will.
Report Post »KenInIL
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 3:20pmThey ought to promote free vasectomies so these “Top Guns” can prove they are shooting blanks – no free reversals !
Report Post »Robert-CA
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 4:11pmI agree with the sonogram , cause they should see what they’re about to murder .
Report Post »hopnmad
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 1:31pm“The Texas House of Representatives voted overwhelmingly yesterday to pass a bill that requires women seeking abortions to first get a sonogram as well as listen to audio, if available, of the unborn baby’s heartbeat.”
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If it saves just one life, I’m for it.
Mikeyyy
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 1:41pmamen.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 1:42pmIf it makes the difference for one single life, then I am for it as well.
Expect the gates of liberal hades and the abyss to open up in full force over this matter.
Report Post »HappyStretchedThin
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 1:45pmWell lookee there…A Democrat opposed to “government intrusion”.
Report Post »Personally, I think that if the decision to have an abortion is NOT traumatizing, the woman involved may be past feeling. Kudos TX Congress, for a victory for life.
LAM2
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 1:47pmThe last thing abortion providers want are fully-informed women. Information (the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth) is power; yet those who advocate abortion as a means to empower women are the fiercest opponents of allowing them to see or hear the growing life inside. Instead abortion providers tell women that their unborn child is just a clump of cells and not a baby. The sonograms and/or fetal heart monitor would shine the light of truth.
Report Post »Just remember — abortions are big business; it’s about the $$$$$$.
godlovinmom
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 1:52pmmaybe…just maybe..if they can see and hear their baby…they wont kill it…good job Texas…my prayer for America is to get rid of this abomination called abortion…may God help us!…I think snowleopard is right…the left, librals, democrats, “baby killers” or whatever they want to call themselves aren’t gonna take this lying down…
Report Post »TexasCommonSense
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 1:52pmI agree. How does abortion not violatet the Hippocratic Oath?
Report Post »Edgar Bennet
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 1:58pmIf you get divorced with kids the gov’t forces both parents to attend a class on divorced parenting. And why? Wait for it … the good of the kids
Report Post »jzs
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 2:00pmFunny, nobody is saying “get government out of our lives” on this topic. Seems like conservatives don’t always mind government bureaucrats “getting between you and your doctor.” I guess that is okay in some instances, but not others.
Isn’t this measure the government forcing a patient to pay for a medical procedure they may not want and the doctor agrees is unnecessary? Is that Constitutional?
I think you want the government out of people’s lives, except where you want to impose your view of morality on others. Then you want the government to jump in with both feet.
This law will be contested, and it will lose in court.
watchtheotherhand
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 2:11pmI figured our good ole’ liberal buddy JZS would chime in exactly the way I thought he would (very predictable my liberal friend, I think I could have written your comment for you).. We are simply asking for government to provide for everyone (including unborn children) the task for which they are charged and is their duty. To ensure the pursuit of LIFE, liberty and happiness. You warped senses have betrayed logic and common sense. And just a hint for ya JZS every law in the US is an enforcement of someone’s morality (every law). Including when you want to impose your liberal morality (or lack there of) it is the same argument. Nice try, thanks for playing but your going to have to do better than that self-defeating argument.
Report Post »Gita
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 2:18pm@JZS Conservatives want the FEDERAL government to mind its own business and stay out of our lives. The state government is totally different. When the feds pass a law that is reprehensible i.e. abortion where can a person go? When a state passes a law you don’t like you can move. Our founders knew the difference between rulers law and peoples law, do you? Look it up it will open your blinded eyes.
Report Post »Dustyluv
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 2:19pmI live in Texas and I am all for this. But Arkansas, Louisiana, New Mexico and Oklahoma will now have Planned Parenthood on the border…
Report Post »We may not stop the murder, but we can sure slow it down.
ablisterin
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 2:25pmMaybe our next President, if we’re able to elect another President, will follow obama’s lead and just declare roe vs wade unconstitutional.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 2:41pmHow do conservatives that protested against the healthcare law, support the government getting in between a patient and her doctor. THis is the government determining what medical care a doctor has to provide. I expect the tea-baggers to protest this invasion of patient privacy, like they did healthcare.
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 2:43pmLet me elaborate a bit more for JZS…….Is the government intruding on your rights when it says you can’t kill someone else. AAAhhhh but this takes us to the crux of your liberal thought. You do not consider a developing human being as having any right, even to life do you? You see it is not contradictory for conservatives to uphold THE very main charge of government. It is not an imposition of morality any more than saying it is illegal to abuse or molest your child. But for some nonsensical reason liberals want to deny a developing human the same rights. At what point JZS does a child gain those rights? When their born? OOhhh but there you run into the problem that premature children survive at younger and younger delivery times without the mother. So your position is really the contradictory one because as you, being liberal, want equality for all, you deny those concepts to the unborn in favor for a woman’s “choice” to kill the living developing child in her womb. Very Very sad that progressives think of themselves as socially progressive but are the defenders of practices (child sacrifice) in the roots of the most primitive of cultures and civilizations. More like regressives than progressives.
Report Post »Hoosier Daddy
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 3:12pmTexascommonsense: Do you expect the Hippocratic Oath to carry any more weight that Obama’s Presidential Oath of Office? They have both been reduced to mere suggestions.
Report Post »LOOKING_BOTH_WAYS
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 3:14pmToo bad we can’t stop women from pumping Drugs & Alcohol into their body’s when Pregnant.
Report Post »This also should be a crime…..but first things first i guess
twinelm
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 3:19pmI am proud of my state and feeling rather self satisfied that all those long days and nights I and countless others of my friends and neighbors spent on the phone, emailing, blogging, attending committees, sign holding, precinct meeting attendance, state convention attendance are paying off…
Report Post »…not in the way the Dems think of paying off, but in terms of what is MORAL, TRUE and GOOD having WON IN NOVEMBER.
This is about making girls and women think the “tissue” they are having removed is a HUMAN BEING (and would thus be an act of murder). If one little baby is born instead of slaughtered, it will all be worth it.
GOD BLESS TEXAS!
TexasCommonSense
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 3:19pmVenom, does he not understand the outcome is the same whether the mother sees the sonogram or not? If she feels guilty after seeing it, then she should feel just as guilty not seeing it. Out of sight, out of mind doesn’t count for children.
Report Post »TexasCommonSense
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 3:22pmHoosier Daddy, very good point. By the way, my wife in from Indiana. It’s a beautiful place. We went to Turkey Run State Park when we went there. Loved it!
Report Post »sing it out
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 3:35pmThe picture that goes with the headline says it all…
Report Post »AzDebi
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 3:45pmI know AZ has several pro-life organizations involved with the donations to buy the sonogram machines…they have been doing this for a couple of years now…wonder if they have stats that were used to convince the legislature of their value? Probably. I agree, if it saves just one baby…it’s a success!
Report Post »HappyStretchedThin
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 3:50pmJZS and Encicom are completely dishonest and intellectually bankrupt.
Report Post »But for any of you possibly swayed by their arguments, please remember, the Tea Party is NOT ANTI-government, it is ONLY against UNCONSTITUTIONAL government.
Of COURSE we need the govt to protect the weak against the powerful so everyone is equal under the law. Now if you want to side with the Democrats that govt should NOT spare the life of a baby before it’s born, so be it. But do so honestly, and don’t purposely mis-characterize the Tea Party movement while doing it. As for me, I choose to believe a woman has a choice: of contraceptives, of partners, and of abstinence, but NOT of murder. And govt SHOULD have the right to intervene to save a life of infinite potential.
rlmeals
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 4:11pm@JZS: I’m from Texas. I listened to Mark Davis on WBAP yesterday Rep. Sid Miller, and Mark, a very conservative fellow, asked a question along the same lines. The fact of the matter is that the women are ALREADY paying for sonograms, as they are necessary to do before the “procedure” as the liberals call it. There have been reports of some women requesting to see the sonogram and being denied the opportunity to do so. The bill simply requires the doctor to make the sonogram available for viewing and requires him to explain it to the mother (ie: this is the head, here are the arms…because I can tell you I had no idea what I was looking at with my first child, as most women don’t). The woman can refuse to view it, but the doctors must offer it.
As far as morals being imposed on people…well, the left is so great at propaganda isn’t it? Not giving patients access to medical information, such as the sonogram, is an effort to hide the truth from them…that this is a separate human being. Why is more information a bad thing? If, after seeing the sonogram (or refusing to see it), the woman still wants to proceed, then by all means she has that right (under our current laws). We are not forcing any morality upon these women, simply trying to make sure they are fully informed of their decision. I have heard countless stories of regret and grief from women who aborted believing what the doctor’s told them: it’s not a person. One look at that sonogram and seeing a beating heart and a head and little arms would change the mind of many discerning women. They have a RIGHT to make an informed decision, and not fall prey to the IMMORALITY of the left. Don’t you dare accuse of of imposing morality when your side does the exact same thing, except with lies and hiding the truth from people.
Report Post »jzs
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 4:34pmOtherhand, you seemed to have missed my point. This isn’t about whether abortion should or should not be legal. Abortion is legal. If you’re against it fine. You‘ll notice I didn’t take a position on abortion although, mind reader that you are, you’d likely guess wrong about my opinion about abortion.
I‘m saying it seems hypocritical to say the government should stay out a people’s lives, but make an exception when you disagree with a person getting a legal medical procedure. Then the government should be telling you and your doctor exactly what procedures the doctor must do, and what he must discuss with you and make you pay for it. Why not require the patient to have five sonogram over a two week period, and discuss it with the doctor 10 times?
This isn’t about whether abortion should or should not be legal. For now at least, it is. That’s a separate topic.
This is about the government requiring unnecessary medical procedures, making you pay for them, and then dictating what discussions must take place between you and your doctor. These are areas most – including you – believe the government that the government should stay out of.
This law won‘t survive the first time it’s challenged in court.
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 4:49pm@ JZS……….I think I understood your argument better than you did. I made the point that it is governments job to protect the inalienable rights to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. You tried to argue that conservatives who were for this law were somehow inconsistent with their “government get out of our lives” stances. It is not an intrusion of government or morality, it was and is the very charge of why the government exists. Also, no matter where you are on this issue you are trying to impose “your” morality through laws, so that argument was fallacious as well. Yet your argument hinges on the ability to define the unborn as a person or nonperson. It is inescapable based on the argument you tried to make. You cannot make the assertions that you did in your first post without assuming the developing child is a nonperson that is not protected under the D of I and bill of rights. It is simply not possible. Therefore, I think you failed to logically follow out the reasoning of your first post and what you were implying by your statement. Based on your liberal bent on other postings I did assume you are for “so called” abortion rights, so if I assumed wrong on that part I am sorry for assuming wrongly.
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 4:53pm@ JZS………..As a Surgeon myself, I assure you my patients are very comfortable that I am forced by medico-legal laws to provide them with fully informed consent. This may take many forms from reviewing ancillary studies with them to reviewing alternative treatments with the patients. So that argument is bogus as well. And as far as cost, if the woman decides not to go ahead with the abortion how much money do you think was just saved? Any idea at all? More than enough to cover the US and then some to cover other as well. Your arguments just don’t stand up to logic, reason, or facts.
Report Post »abc
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 5:07pmSo you’re for spending billions more on car safety and more robust bridges, etc. Use your brain, for goodness sake. What kind of logic is that?
The bigger question, of course, is what the sonogram is supposed to show. You‘ll see a tiny human form but you’ll fail to see that its brain is not yet active, so it doesn’t know it is alive and will not feel pain as we experience it–or as the animals like cows feel it when we kill them for food. So what is the point of the sonogram? It is to gross out a mother and otherwise intimidate her into avoiding an abortion she’d otherwise have. They should make all Americans watch the gory photos and film of people throughout the third world being killed by our bombs and bullets so that they are equally circumspect about the value of innocent life–and life that has self-awareness and a fully functioning brain–before rushing headlong into all of the unnecessary wars and stealth operations this country has undertaken since the end of WWII. If Republicans and conservatives showed 1% of the concern for those lives as they do for the unthinking, unconscious ones in a woman’s womb, the world would be a much better place. That they choose to start in the controversial areas as opposed to the noncontroversial areas highlights how much of this is for theater and political advantage rather than to truly better the world and promote life.
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 5:44pm@ ABC………..That was a ridiculous argument you made. First the brain maybe not as developed as a human but based on your ridiculous argument an infant is not self aware either. An infants brain is not developed as an older child or adult. So killing infants in your mind too. The developing child has a rudimentary nervous system that most definitely does respond to stimuli. Your arguments, as I have pointed out before, are not factual or accurate when you state your developmental fallacies of the human fetus. And I am afraid pointing out other wrongs or evils is frankly immature and off topic as that seems to be obvious to anyone that pointing out one tragedy or wrong doesn’t justify another. You did not do your position any favors with the error or side step you posted !!!!!!!!
Report Post »DukeUSA
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 5:57pmWhat a shock it will be when one day (standing before God), it is learned there is no life in the womb. It is biological life and does not become a human being with a soul until God breathes the breath of life into the baby at birth. This is clearly taught in the Word of God but we see how it is being used as a distraction to many believers in Christ who ignore the truth and get into activism. Thinking they are doing God’s work is actually being pawns in political warfare which glorifies Satan. The truth hurts!!
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 6:07pm@ DUKEUSA……….you are absolutely disillusion. what exactly is your scriptural reference there?
For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb. Psalms
Your exegesis of scripture is twisted !!! Have you ever watched a 4 D US of a child in the womb? I bet I know the answer to that !!! The child smiles, reacts to noise, and moves all the time. You are not only scripturally deficient but ignorant of development. Does a child that is pre-mature get “breathed” on earlier than a full-term child. Wow that was an unbelievable comment. I think I have heard it all now.
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 6:23pmHey DUKE……….when surgeons perform an intra-uterian surgery to correct spina bifida and they open up the womb to perform the surgery on the child to correct the problem, they will describe how the little child will grab at their instruments and fingers (you can find pictures of this on the net). Is that a child or not? When they sow up the womb so the child can finish the developmental process does it cease to be a child again? Your argument was ridiculous and hardly worth the time to expose your ignorance except I don’t want others swayed by your twisted thinking !!!!!!!
Report Post »hopnmad
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 6:36pm@ jzs
I’m not for abortion and never will be. It’s not hypocritical for those who oppose abortions to want this bill. Why? Because if my tax dollars are going to fund something I find barbaric then they better give the woman the whole truth and the opportunity to change her mind.
Report Post »hopnmad
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 6:41pm@ Ecinom
Report Post »“This is the government determining what medical care a doctor has to provide.”
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Since when is it not necessary for doctors to reveal all the facts about a patients condition? Hmmm..this bill only enforces what doctors should be doing anyways.
THETRUTH2011
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 8:06pmI’ve met people over the years that had an abortion. They all have alot of guilt now.
Report Post »hopnmad
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 8:19pm@ THETRUTH2011
All the more reason for this bill to become law..
Report Post »old.school.mama
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 9:47pmI hope this helps women understand that abortion is not a “quick fix” it is a life altering decision. I believe that most don’t grasp the detrimental impact that is has until after the fact, because they are not fully counseled on what they are doing and who they are killing. This especially goes toward the teens that get an abortion just so they can hide their promiscuity from their parents and end up suffering the rest of their adult life because of it. They cant get a tattoo until they are 18 but they can kill their baby without any one knowing about it. I hope more states follow in Texas foot steps!!!
Report Post »jzs
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 10:42pmSurgeon OTHERHAND – what kind of surgeon are you? You don’t sound like a surgeon. And you’ve missed the point.
You can’t possibly be a physician, at least not an honest one. You say that, “I am forced by medico-legal (what the heck is “medico-legal” mean?) laws to provide them with fully informed consent.” There are no Federal laws that require you, as a physician, Dr. Otherhand, to give your patients “fully informed consent.” That’s BS. I’m calling you out on that my surgeon friend, prove me wrong by quoting the Federal regulation. Show me the Federal regulations that say what doctors must say to their patients.
I await you’re response, as all of us Blazer to Dr. otherhand.
@ JZS………..As a Surgeon myself, I assure you my patients are very comfortable that I am forced by medico-legal laws to provide them with fully informed consent. This may take many forms from reviewing ancillary studies with them to reviewing alternative treatments with the patients. So that argument is bogus as well. And as far as cost, if the woman decides not to go ahead with the abortion how much money do you think was just saved? Any idea at all? More than enough to cover the US and then some to cover other as well. Your arguments just don’t stand up to logic, reason, or facts.
Report Post »jzs
Posted on March 5, 2011 at 3:17amDr. Otherhand, I wonder about your last post:
@ JZS………..As a Surgeon myself, I assure you my patients are very comfortable that I am forced by medico-legal laws to provide them with fully informed consent.
What type of surgery do you do? You don’t need to reveal your identity, but where did you did you do your residency, where did get your education?
Those are rhetorical questions of course. The impression you leave is of someone who may have taken a few college classes but never graduated, is employeed but not at a job that requires a degree, and is self-educated in political philosophy but only from conservative/religious sources, information that conforms to ideas that you already have. You’ve paid for and read several of Glenn Becks books (books written by other people).
You’re not an MD, and certainly not a surgeon. Admit that, or convince the Blazers, indeed the entire world that you are with some details about your education and current medical practice.
Report Post »avenger
Posted on March 5, 2011 at 7:25amI love the Texas spirit !
Report Post »MaggieRose
Posted on March 5, 2011 at 9:04am@Duke and ABC… medical facts fail… measurable brain waves, heart beat, cell division, purposeful taking in of nutrition, elimination, growth, all signs of life. The fetus indeed can feel pain as has been proven numerous times during surgeries in the womb. The burden of proof is on you that the fetus is NOT alive, and cannot feel pain. Otherwise why do some late term fetuses born ALIVE need to be left to die with no medical intervention, because the mother paid for a dead baby… sometimes taking hours to do so?
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on March 5, 2011 at 11:47am@ JZS…….also I was chief resident in late 99 early 2000 and that is when the new hip nailing system was introduced as the Gamma Nail. It was awesome for traumatic hip fractures and when done right without any complications or speed bumps could be done skin to skin in under 30 minutes. At the time they were introduced since I was the chief and did surgery all day I had done more Gamma nailings than any attending in southern Indiana and so was requested to be at most of those cases until the attendings became more familiar and comfortable with the system. Dr. Lee, Dr. Johnson and Dr Gabel were just 3 of the attendings I worked with among many !!!!!!!!!!
Report Post »jzs
Posted on March 5, 2011 at 2:10pmOtherhand, okay. You convinced me. I apologize.
Report Post »CottonMPG
Posted on March 5, 2011 at 3:10pmIt’s about time. Pro-abortion activists only prove they don’t care about woman when they openly oppose this. If they really were neutral but wanted women to have a choice, they would support this measure which only acts to give woman the information they need to make an informed decision. By opposing this they prove they have an agenda. Most woman really do have a need to know that the pregnancy they are terminating is not a baby. It’s much better that they find out before they act than find out later and have to live with the guilt. No doubt many more will choose life.
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on March 5, 2011 at 8:05pm@ JZS……Thank you for your apology. I appreciate your humility. I will not bring it up again. I do promise you and everyone that I am a surgeon and would never state anything falsely in an intentional manner !!!! That would undermine absolutely everything that I stand for….I would like to continue to engage with you on other issues and sharpen one another. Have a good day and thank you again for your apology.
Report Post »jzs
Posted on March 6, 2011 at 1:47amOtherhand, I give you a sincere, second apology.
Okay, back to business. Do you believe in Sarah Palin’s “death panels?“ If the government pays a doctor to consult a patient on ”living will” decisions, is that a dealth panel? The provision to pay doctors for that discussion was removed from the health care bill. What’s your opinion?
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on March 6, 2011 at 4:02pm@ JZS…… Can’t really speak intelligibly on that issue. Haven’t really read the law specifically covering that area. I do think living wills are extremely important !!! Due to our technology we are able to keep people “artificially” alive and each person and family needs to decide at what point they wish those attempts to be continued or not. My only concern in regard to “death panels” is that because resources are certainly limited once you introduce this into the mix it becomes an ever increasing pressure on people facing that decision. Granted none of these situations are necessarily easy or straightforward. Each almost has to be evaluated on a case by case basis. Physicians must provide every bit of info and input they can to a family or person to help them make the best possible decision they can. I don’t know if this answers your question but let me know if I was off base !!!!! Thanks again !!
Report Post »jzs
Posted on March 6, 2011 at 10:20pmI appreciate your response otherhand and this thread will probably go away before you read this, but I agree with you. I believe that insurance should pay for a consultation with your doctor about end of decisions. I believe everyone, young or old, should make those decisions before they are faced with them. And anyone involved should be able to change their minds if that horrible point of decision comes!
I think making a Living Will is in everybody’s best interest, specifically but the hospital and insurance companies. If I’m in a vegetative state, I don’t want anybody paying money and making effort to keep me alive. Having read “Stiff” I want them to take my body and learn something from it!
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on March 7, 2011 at 12:01pm@JZS………I think we completely agree on this issue. It does happen sometimes doesn’t it? Hehe
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