U.K. Court Grants Permission to 10-Year-Old to Convert From Judaism to Christianity?
- Posted on August 3, 2012 at 10:11pm by
Tiffany Gabbay
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While it is certainly not unusual for people to convert to a faith other than the one to which they were born, often that decision is made later in one’s life. That is not the case for a ten-year-old Jewish girl from the U.K., however, who has been granted permission by a court to convert to Christianity — the faith her father himself converted to following the breakdown of his marriage — despite her tender age.
The debate arose when the schoolgirl, who has not been named for legal reasons, started attending religious services with her father and expressed a desire to be baptized into the Christian faith. Her mother, on the other hand, wanted her daughter to wait until she turned 16 to make such a major life decision and even took the matter to court in the hopes of stopping the conversion from taking place imminently.
According to court testimony, the girl’s parents divorced in 2010 and were never “observant” Jews. Regardless, the girl’s mother believes her daughter is being pressured — even “brainwashed” — by her ex-husband into seeking the conversion. The father denied the claim.
After a lengthy battle, Judge John Platt ruled that the girl is mature enough to choose her own religion, penning a letter directly to the girl explaining his decision. The Telegraph provides a portion of the transcript:
“Sometimes parents simply cannot agree on what is best for their child, but they can’t both be right. Your father thinks it is right for you to be baptised as a Christian now. Your mother wants you to wait until you are older, so they have asked me to decide for them. That is my job.” [...]
“My job is to decide simply what is best for you and I have decided that the best thing for you is that you are allowed to start your baptism classes as soon as they can be arranged and that you are baptised as a Christian as soon as your minister feels you are ready.”
The judge stressed, however, that his decision did not mean that the girl would lose her Jewish heritage and that her baptism would in no way change or diminish the love both of her parents feel for her.
The Telegraph explains that in November the girl’s mother, unbeknownst to others, applied for a court order forbidding the father from baptising or confirming her child into the Christian faith and claimed her ex-husband had forbid their daughter from practicing Judaism.
For his part, the girl’s father said he was actually surprised, even skeptical, when his daughter announced that she had “experienced an encounter with God,” following an Evangelical rally they both had attended earlier in that day. According to reports, the girl went behind her father’s back to talk to a Sunday school teacher about baptism — a move her father said he was “unhappy” about.
The Telegraph adds additional context:
The girl’s grandparents accused her father of forcing her to give up her Jewish heritage, while a rabbi told the court that it would be “unnatural to their soul” to make a child change religion. The judge was scathing about these claims, saying that neither the mother nor the grandparents had made “any real effort” to consider what was best for the girl while the rabbi’s letter was made in “inflammatory terms without any supporting evidence”.
Judge Platt also said it was “wholly wrong” for the mother to go to court without discussing the matter first with the girl’s father or his priest. He concluded that while he has no power to order the girl’s baptism, he could dismiss the application seeking to prevent it from happening.
The rabbi’s sentiments are not shocking, however, given Jewish history, theology and culture, which believes that one’s Judaism is inherent in the soul and ascribed by God himself. Thus, the thought of relinquishing one’s Judaism is often difficult for rabbis and observant Jews to accept.
Whether the girl chooses to go through with the conversion remains to be seen, but given her Jewish heritage and her father’s Christian faith, she is likely to have a greater respect and understanding of both faiths moving forward.
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Comments (82)
pdw
Posted on August 4, 2012 at 11:22pmIf she is not of age how can the courts make any decision in this matter? Looks like just one more way to destroy the family.
Report Post »Blazeanswerman
Posted on August 4, 2012 at 10:28pmIt’s not to some judge to decide if one becomes a Christian in fact the only judge that really cares died on a cross 2000 years ago for the sins of the whole world even to those who mocked and continue to mock him. Those who do not believe that Jesus is the Christ have the spirit of anti-christ. Choose now to whom you will serve, time is ticking away all… tick, tick, tick,………………….To Late!!!!
your chance
Report Post »Passerby
Posted on August 5, 2012 at 9:52amSo, it’s all about getting the goodies and not burning etc. A greed thing.
Not.
Report Post »Magyar
Posted on August 4, 2012 at 10:14pmIn the first place, what the he(( is a UK ‘court’ doing making any ruling in this matter? This decision is between GOD and the young lady.
The world has gone completely nuts!
Report Post »BeeDee
Posted on August 5, 2012 at 8:46pmThe story states that the mother took the matter to the court, the court did not seek this out. Many foolish people think that they can get a court to decide in their favor, and force their way on someone else. If the mother and her parents had been following judaic laws strictly, she never would have married this man. That alone shows that they are not the observant jews that they claim to be. The girl has been put in the middle of a disput between the parents, and the mother is using this as a way to get back at the father. For once, the parents should put the interests of the child first. At least she is getting some religion, more than most people.
Report Post »DouglassFiller
Posted on August 4, 2012 at 5:53pmIt’s more complicated than just a conversion. It’s not just religious practice. Only through the mother, or female child will children be passed on as Jewish. It’s a sensitive issue for a Jewish community that wants to continue to thrive and grow.
Report Post »DouglassFiller
Posted on August 4, 2012 at 9:43pmPlus, for a 10 year old, she could just be choosing the easier way out. The path with lower expectations, less responsibility, simpler social acceptance, and less to learn. (man – I’m gonna get hatemail for posting this)
Report Post »walkandtalk
Posted on August 4, 2012 at 3:02pmThe way this article reads the civil court judge set himself up above the knowledge of the Rabbi as to what is Jewish law and belief. The judge is not an authority on Judaism. The anti-Semitism in The UK is growing so this is another example of it. Furthermore a wise judge would know a ten year old is not capable of the knowledge and wisdom to make this type of life decision. This little girl is in the middle of two parents who apparently do not have amiable feelings toward each other. Little girls want to please their Daddy’s and as no child psychologist was ever called by the judge this was a sad day in jurisprudence.
Report Post »Chug
Posted on August 4, 2012 at 4:40pmJewish law is not UK law.
Report Post »walkandtalk
Posted on August 5, 2012 at 12:04am@ chug The judge made a decision and ruled on the Rabbi’s testimony before the court. He ruled against the Rabbi’s testimony and berated the Rabbi. Read the article carfeully. This judge made a decision on the value of a religious way of life. He is not qualified to do that as he is not a theologian he is a civil judge. He should have deferred to the Rabbi on Jewish knowledge not berate it.
Report Post »watashbuddyfriend
Posted on August 4, 2012 at 2:44pmJust raise up your children with Christian values, and they will not vary far from those teachings! Aint life a bitch? Sho aint like the beach!
Report Post »babylonvi
Posted on August 4, 2012 at 12:24pmWhat do you think the court would have done if it had been a Muslim girl had wanted to convert to Judiasm?
Report Post »gray lady
Posted on August 4, 2012 at 12:35pmIt would never have gotten to court as the parents would have killed her for shaming her family.
Report Post »Passerby
Posted on August 5, 2012 at 9:53amheh heh
Report Post »nappy
Posted on August 4, 2012 at 10:20amChildren should not be indoctrinated into ANY religion until they are old enough to study it and decide for themselves. It is a sickness. All of it.
Report Post »mtcountrygrl
Posted on August 4, 2012 at 11:37amSo the schools can indoctrinate them into athiest beliefs.You guy are idiots with your “indoctrination” junk. It is called raising your children according to your values. Parents have been doing it since time began, but liberals want to be your kids parents so that they can raise your kids according to THEIR values. LOL
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on August 4, 2012 at 11:56am“… his decision did not mean that the girl would lose her Jewish heritage… .”
Report Post »idarusskie
Posted on August 4, 2012 at 6:37amIt really does not matter what a judge says. what can they do ? Unbaptize her? If someone converts they convert.
Report Post »circleDwagons
Posted on August 4, 2012 at 8:28amGood job Judge! It is nice to know that there is at least one rational judge. This is also a great example why Marriage should be a Church thing. The government should stay out
Report Post »DTOM_Jericho (Creator vindicator)
Posted on August 4, 2012 at 9:05amNot even going to touch the stupidity of the “unbaptize” statement. There is no conversion. In Scripture (as it relates to Jews) there are Jews and Jews who believe that Yeshua(“jesus”) is Messiah. This child is not old enough to make this decision… yet. The father is the head of the household, sorry xians but it’s true. If your kid came to you and wanted to reject “jesus” I imagine the response would be hypocritical.
Report Post »WhiteFang
Posted on August 4, 2012 at 10:41amEvery person on earth has the God given right to choose their faith. There is no age restrictions in doing so.
The father in the family has the obligation to teach and nurture his children in what he believes is the truth according to his understanding.
The children, ultimately, has the right to seek out a different religion if their spirit leads them to change. But they are still respectful and obedient to their parents as long as they live under their roof.
A judge, under Caesar, has no authority to decide or permit or forbid a person of any age on how to worship our Creator and which religion to follow.
Can we imagine what would happen if the government of any country starts to decide or give their permission for any of us to follow a particular religion?
Report Post »mtcountrygrl
Posted on August 4, 2012 at 11:42amCome on people, as a Christian, I would love to see this child saved. But you are forgeting the commandment to “Honor your father and your mother”. The boy should continue to practice his Jewish faith in his parents household. If his heart is pulled towards Jesus, that will be between him and Jesus and he may follow Jesus when he is older. What a witness this would be to his parents. Maybe soften their hearts towards Jesus as well. I am appalled that a judge stepped in here.
Report Post »mtcountrygrl
Posted on August 4, 2012 at 11:48amOh I skimmed the article, I missed the part where the father was a Christian. This my friends is why the Bible and the Tora both command Jews and Christians to “marry within their faith”. Sad. There is no good response here. Poor kid. Any kid growing up in a divided family has a tough road ahead. Shouldn’t be a matter for the courts though.
Report Post »mtcountrygrl
Posted on August 4, 2012 at 11:50amThis is why divorce is evil. Reminds me of Solomon “cut the child in half”. My heart breaks for children of divorce (as I was one of them).
Report Post »Free2speakRN
Posted on August 4, 2012 at 4:45am“Whether the girl chooses to go through with the conversion remains to be seen, but given her Jewish heritage and her father’s Christian faith, she is likely to have a greater respect and understanding of both faiths moving forward.”
If she goes to Christianity, and matures in it, I think she will see many ‘fulfillments’ of the Old Testement.
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Report Post »Passerby
Posted on August 4, 2012 at 1:09amBoth parents fail for putting such pressure on a young girl.
Report Post »The_Cabrito_Goat
Posted on August 4, 2012 at 12:42am“when did England become a police state?”
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on August 4, 2012 at 1:01amIt’s been a police state since Elizabeth I.
Besides the point, there was a similar story not too long ago. The father wanted the child baptized then and there while the mother wanted the child to experience believer’s baptism, later. Then there was another divorced couple of Christian and Jewish faiths that could not agree on the faith of the child’s rearing.
This happens all the time and here in the USA when child custody orders go to court and are violated.
The child became Christian when she put her faith in Jesus. The water does not save — “it is an outward sign of an inward grace.” Taking Communion does not save — it, too, is “an outward sign of an inward grace.” Both imply that the recipient is practicing the faith of Christianity, participating in the life of the Church universal, the Body of the Living Lord.
Report Post »Chug
Posted on August 4, 2012 at 4:53amI must be missing something here. What in the story makes you conclude that England is a police state?
Report Post »Sol Invictus
Posted on August 4, 2012 at 9:48am@ Chug
Report Post »The goat didn’t read the story – just the headline. Incidentally – why is there a question mark after the headline?
The_Cabrito_Goat
Posted on August 4, 2012 at 10:22amapologies
Report Post »Chug
Posted on August 4, 2012 at 4:43pm@Sol Invictus. You’re right, I didn’t notice that errant piece of punctuation.
Report Post »TJexcite
Posted on August 4, 2012 at 12:08amJust wait until this come type of mix marriage comes to America. With an strong Atheist Mother and a Born Again Catholic Father. The marriage broke down when he found his faith. Sure it has happens already thousands of times but this time the Mother get the help of “Freedom from Religion” group team of lawyers and PR reps to ban the kid by court order from following his fathers new faith.
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on August 4, 2012 at 12:56amIt does not specify that Dad is Roman Catholic. He could well be Anglican as their ministers are also called Father or priests. They have baptism and confirmation classes, too.
Report Post »AugustKat
Posted on August 4, 2012 at 6:01pmHer mother was a non-observant Jew; her father was Jewish till his conversion to Christianity.
Both the Roman Catholic and Anglican churches refer to their ministers as ‘Father’.
And we already have mixed marriages in the US.
Report Post »paul1149
Posted on August 3, 2012 at 11:49pmIf it wasn’t coerced I see no reason not to allow the baptism. And I don‘t think it was in the girl’s best interest that the mother threw this into court without first trying to work it out organically. She’s done more harm than a free baptism ever would.
And my personal feeling is that I’m delighted that father and daughter have come to the Lord.
Report Post »beckyspatflaveredstew
Posted on August 3, 2012 at 11:27pmAny Human’s choice of how to seek God, or walk in His way, is not the business of any earthly government.
Report Post »Calm Voice of Reason
Posted on August 3, 2012 at 10:51pmWell, if that didn’t stick, she could have always had her nanny baptize her and let the Catholic Church keep her from her Jewish mother, a la Edgardo Mortara (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgardo_Mortara).
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on August 4, 2012 at 12:54pmDude, that happened 8 generations ago. Even at that I t would not have happened in America, England or many other western nations of that day.
Try Again Harder!
Report Post »JBaer
Posted on August 3, 2012 at 10:47pmJesus (Yeshua) was a Jew and He didn’t stop being a Jew when He was the Christ.
Report Post »This young lady will always be Jewish but now with a love and heart for Jesus!
There are more Messianic Jews now than there ever was. All over the world they are coming to Yeshua . Praise God!
SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
Posted on August 3, 2012 at 11:04pmMany are been quickened and made alive in Christ. Many believe that the bibles description of doubting Thomas was a foreshadowing of the Jewish nation that at first resisted faith in the risen Christ only later to exclaim, “My Lord and My God!” Either way it is great to see.
Report Post »Passerby
Posted on August 4, 2012 at 1:07amNah, the Doubting Thomas story added by one of the editors of the Gospel of John was to refute the doubting Gospel of Thomas that has the same exact ‘doubts’ as the character in GJohn, and is supposed to be written by the doubting Thomas.
Report Post »Verceofreason
Posted on August 4, 2012 at 3:39amOy.
Report Post »ProudJew
Posted on August 4, 2012 at 5:00amThere are many Jews who believe in Jesus. They just keep it to themselves because of the backlash many would receive from their own Jewish brothers and sisters. Lets just say when my mom recently passed away she believed in Jesus. I know I am the only one in the my family who knows about this secret. She was born a Jew and accepted the messiah when she was young. I recommend you google Jacob Dakani who is a Jew who came to faith in the Jewish Messiah Yeshua, Jesus. I know the lord called me when he spoke to me through one of my friends. I also had a vision of him. I am still Jewish no matter what anyone says about me.
Report Post »DTOM_Jericho (Creator vindicator)
Posted on August 4, 2012 at 9:10am@proudjew eh?
“For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will also be ashamed of him when He comes in the glory of His Father with the holy angels.”
Report Post »SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
Posted on August 4, 2012 at 10:06am@ PASSER….I have studied the argument against Doubting Thomas as well as the entire Gospel of John and it is weak without any convincing evidence.
Report Post »SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
Posted on August 4, 2012 at 10:09am@ PASSER….The Gospel of thomas is very similar to the gospel of Q in that they are simply a collection of sayings and such.
Report Post »The_Cabrito_Goat
Posted on August 4, 2012 at 10:22amThe Jews are the apple of Gods eye. I’m always struck by how many atheist Jews there were in my school. They come from a bloodline rich with the descendency of many famous people who have impacted history beyond our ability to recognize. If you dont want to be apart of such a culture, that’s a shame.
Report Post »SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
Posted on August 4, 2012 at 11:14am@ PASSER…There are really only 4 sections serious and honest bible scholars agree may have not been in the original manuscript in the enitre NT…John 8:1-11 (woman caught in adultery), Mark 16:9-20 (ending of the Gospel), 1 John 5:7, and Acts 9:37. That is it and none of these verses, if not in the original, impact any foundational Christian doctrine at all. Not really sure where your information came from but it is faulty. Thank you…..
Report Post »Endyr
Posted on August 4, 2012 at 5:08pmI am sorry to disagree with you on this point. There is no such thing as a Messianic Jew in the modern age, there are Jews and Christians. Having said that I have no issue with Christians looking towards the Jewish roots of their faith, in fact I find it refreshing. But the so-called Messianic Jew movement is not Jewish, it is Christian. One can not be a Jew and believe the messiah has already come. Yeshuah is one of many thought to have been the messiah.
Report Post »searching for the Truth
Posted on August 5, 2012 at 11:00amYou’ll have to inform Jesus when you see Him.
Report Post »searching for the Truth
Posted on August 5, 2012 at 11:08amThe biggest difference between a Christian and a Jew is the former know that they don’t have to pray against a Wall.
Report Post »searching for the Truth
Posted on August 5, 2012 at 11:19amJesus can not allow any change in His Word – He had to take the place of Death for our sins – and, man, did He Suffer for us ” all.” No one is to blame – He forced His Hand.
Report Post »searching for the Truth
Posted on August 3, 2012 at 10:46pmGo ahead girl – there is only One God Anyway – if the Bible is read correctly.
Report Post »Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on August 3, 2012 at 10:38pmWhat an idiot, if he would have waited a couple more years, he would have a Bar Mitzvah, got his gifts, and then he could convert. And you are giving up your 7 nights of presents. Think boy, think.
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on August 4, 2012 at 12:54amThink daughter — Bas Mitzvah.
In Jesus, she is completed, a full Jew, worthy of the esteemed title.
Report Post »Alessandre
Posted on August 4, 2012 at 1:04amthe child is a girl so that would be a Bat Mitzvah which some Jews celebrate for 13 year-old girls. a Bar Mitzvah, on the other hand, occurs when a boy reaches 13 whether or not there is a ceremony & celebration. at 13, a Jewish boy now morally and ethically responsible for his decisions and actions.
Report Post »Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on August 4, 2012 at 3:03amSorry, for some reason Boy stuck in my mind as I wrote that, but still, she is giving up the dradels. But on the plus side, when her family goes to dinner, she can now order the Lobster.
Report Post »ProudJew
Posted on August 4, 2012 at 4:53amIn Judaism, girls are Bat Mitzvah at age 12. Girls become women at this age. Boys become men at the age of 13 when they are Bar Mitzvah.
Report Post »loneindividual
Posted on August 3, 2012 at 10:37pmforcing your own child to choose religions is villainous. Present the logos and let the child choose. To do anything else is to treat the child as soulless.
The Jewess should have known better.
Religious leaders of vary including Mormon, Catholic, etc Churches strong advise against a family divided by religion at the very beginning. It is horrible for the child to be brought into a world where there is spiritual strife.
Report Post »DTOM_Jericho (Creator vindicator)
Posted on August 4, 2012 at 9:16amForcing to choose? Are you daft? There is no choice. She is under her Father’s house and Scripture is quite clear on if he leads a child to sin. Children do not lead. Scripture is quite clear on that as well.
O My people! Their oppressors are children, And women rule over them. O My people! Those who guide you lead you astray And confuse the direction of your paths.
Report Post »Tired of Code Names
Posted on August 3, 2012 at 10:33pmIt is a huge dilemma and causes may divorcds when a couple of differing faiths, youthful and not understanding, get married and then think they can reconcile raising a child in two different faiths. It’s foolish to think otherwise. Been there, tried that and it does not work. And it does not take being to far apart. My ex was apalled at my first son’s baptism that she totally volunteered and agreed to be part of…up until the we are conceived as sinful people. She flipped out and has hated my parents and me since. HER children are perfect. Even her baptist minister told her she was wrong. Welcome to the new world of I am woman hear me roar.
Report Post »loneindividual
Posted on August 3, 2012 at 10:32pmSo the Jewess fought against the religious liberty of her child….
At least she isn’t orthodox otherwise that would be reflective of the Jewish People.
In truth, this is only reflective of liberals (and foolish conservatives) and their mentality that they own their children.
No one owns a child. You can only claim to give care. When God is involved (or religion) an individuals choice is their own….regardless of age, sex, race, class, etc.
I say to all you parents who believe you OWN another’s soul….the spirit of domination is strong with you.
Teach your child correct principles and let them govern themselves (as much as possible) if you want them to grow up to be like you.
Report Post »cliffchism
Posted on August 4, 2012 at 10:34amThese days, if the parents don’t at least act as though they own the child, the government will step in and claim that they do. But, responsibility for care is not the same as ownership, and helping a child learn to make decisions for themselves is a part of parenting. When the responsibility for care is divided between two that have fundamental differences in opinion, it is unlikely that the case is going to have a happy ending for all involved. But, if the child was able to convince the judge that she was sincere and cognizant of the ramifications of her decision, I’d say that the judge made the best decision he could. It seems to have been the parents that were clouding the issue.
Report Post »saynototheo
Posted on August 3, 2012 at 10:30pmRidiculous…everyone should be free to believe as they choose without being labeled “brainwashed”
Report Post »Smokey_Bojangles
Posted on August 4, 2012 at 12:32amStudy some on Scientology,Global Warmist,and Obamaites.
Report Post »Verceofreason
Posted on August 4, 2012 at 3:41amCanned corn $5 for a ten ounces can,
Report Post »coming soon near a store near you.
Corn crop burnt to a crisp.
Walkabout
Posted on August 4, 2012 at 12:55pmVerceofreason
Around 1933 it was so hot that corn spontaneously combusted.
Report Post »Smokey_Bojangles
Posted on August 3, 2012 at 10:20pmWell,at least he wont be beheaded for it.
Report Post »SCREW-WINDOWS
Posted on August 3, 2012 at 10:14pmYou actually need permission to convert ?
Report Post »BIgWheeler
Posted on August 3, 2012 at 10:53pm“Allowed to convert” is a little misleading. The judge simply legally protected the father and child from a clearly disturbed mother.
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