Environment

U.N. Official Admits: We Redistribute World’s Wealth by Climate Policy

“This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy.”

Is this quote from a) a climate change skeptic, or b) an official from the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change?

Climate change skeptics have long theorized about ulterior motives behind attempts to legislate and regulate man-made global warming. This speculation reached a fever pitch after data from the University of East Anglia — widely referenced by the United Nations — was found to be flawed and private emails pointed to a broader conspiracy to falsify the so-called evidence.

But this speculation is only likely to grow after a leading member of the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) told a German news outlet, “[W]e redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy.” Via the Media Research Center, Germany’s NZZ Online Sunday interviews Ottmar Edenhofer of the U.N. (emphases mine):

(NZZ AM SONNTAG): The new thing about your proposal for a Global Deal is the stress on the importance of development policy for climate policy. Until now, many think of aid when they hear development policies.

(OTTMAR EDENHOFER, UN IPCC OFFICIAL): That will change immediately if global emission rights are distributed. If this happens, on a per capita basis, then Africa will be the big winner, and huge amounts of money will flow there. This will have enormous implications for development policy. And it will raise the question if these countries can deal responsibly with so much money at all.

(NZZ): That does not sound anymore like the climate policy that we know.

(EDENHOFER): Basically it’s a big mistake to discuss climate policy separately from the major themes of globalization. The climate summit in Cancun at the end of the month is not a climate conference, but one of the largest economic conferences since the Second World War. Why? Because we have 11,000 gigatons of carbon in the coal reserves in the soil under our feet – and we must emit only 400 gigatons in the atmosphere if we want to keep the 2-degree target. 11 000 to 400 – there is no getting around the fact that most of the fossil reserves must remain in the soil.

(NZZ): De facto, this means an expropriation of the countries with natural resources. This leads to a very different development from that which has been triggered by development policy.

(EDENHOFER): First of all, developed countries have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community. But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole.

According to the Media Research Center, Edenhofer was “co-chair of the IPCC’s Working Group III, and was a lead author of the IPCC’s Fourth Assessment Report released in 2007 which controversially concluded, ‘Most of the observed increase in global average temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely due to the observed increase in anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentrations.’”

This week marks the one year anniversary since the “Climategate” scandal erupted.

Comments (139)

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  • seeker9
    Posted on November 18, 2010 at 9:10pm

    The wealth will not go to the poor. It will be siphoned off by the quasi dicatatorial leaders. Trillions spent to eradicate poverty in the US, but there still is poverty. It will be much, much worse on a global scale. Does any one actually thik any more?

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    • crossdraw
      Posted on November 19, 2010 at 12:27pm

      You are right SEEKER. Same with the war on drugs. Poverty and drugs war. Two of the biggest failures our “elected fools” have perpetrated. Are you a veteran? If so you now belong to the most powerful “UNION” on earth. Brothers and sisters, 40million strong,maybe more. All or most bound by the oath they took to defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and “DOMESTIC.” There are no commies in this union. Only driven patriots. It’s going to suck to be a commie very soon. I am PROUD to be a part of this UNION. Spread the word. There are no dues. Just a willingness to keep America from becoming ameriKa.

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  • tbtall
    Posted on November 18, 2010 at 9:10pm

    Bad science supporting faulty economic design. Yeah, this is really a winner. Cap and Trade is a job killing faulty attempt to find “new” sources of energy with no regard to the technical aspects required to deliver energy. Energy provides leverage to economic growth, and you can’t bash one country that has efficiently created a network of energy delivery and utilization and expect to throw money to less developed countries, expecting economic growth. Corruption and central control are what are killing growth.

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  • awiderview
    Posted on November 18, 2010 at 9:08pm

    Screw the world…it’s good for America (and that’s all that counts!).

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  • MrButcher
    Posted on November 18, 2010 at 9:07pm

    there is evidence that the earth’s temperature is rising. there is also evidence that the temperature on Mars is also rising. so what does that tell you?

    logic, anyone?

    A: the sun is getting hotter.

    perhaps that is too simplistic an answer for some but it does seem to make the most since.

    The global warming alarmists/green nazis are just a front for global governance and redistribution of income/goods. i think most here agree with that.

    helping the third world and oppressed peoples is a very good idea but this in no way to go about it.

    the green movement reeks of depotism and tyranny. fight them on every political front.

    cheers

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    • Parkeralan
      Posted on November 18, 2010 at 10:21pm

      God gets what God wants.

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    • lobster
      Posted on November 19, 2010 at 12:18am

      There is NO evidence that the earth is warming. It in fact is slightly cooling. If you think man can change the temp. of the earth, WOW, are you dumb!!!!! That’s like trying to stop the QE2 by dragging your foot, exactly the same effect

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    • uncleherbert
      Posted on November 19, 2010 at 11:55am

      look up sun spots, just saying Gods answers are for people to seek for truth…

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  • spendthrift
    Posted on November 18, 2010 at 9:06pm

    Let‘s find George Soros’s little pinky in the pudding on this one. He has to be there along with a host of other’s……Maybe the Rockefellers, Goldman Sachs, Rothchilds, and many others?

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    • cheezwhiz
      Posted on November 18, 2010 at 9:34pm

      Body Ventura says it is Maurice Strong .
      Looks like he is right too !!
      Maurice Strong = the other spooky dooooode

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  • tbtall
    Posted on November 18, 2010 at 9:03pm

    Finally we hear the true motive behind the false science. It takes energy to bring about greater economic efficiency. Africa is proof, where people walk to their destination, and spend much more of their day providing basic human needs, so they are not able to leverage their efforts into the most efficient economic actions. Any effort to equalize economic outcomes crushes the producers and doesn’t allow those without to have the true signal and opportunity to grow economically. Corruption is the problem in areas that are not growing, corruption and central planning are the problems, not those who are prospering. STOP the CLASS ENVY!!

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  • JohnnyJT
    Posted on November 18, 2010 at 9:03pm

    Minus all the Money they will Steal.

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  • dontbotherme
    Posted on November 18, 2010 at 9:02pm

    Big surprise. We need to let our government know (loudly, but peacefully) that we want them out of OUR country.

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  • ohandY1
    Posted on November 18, 2010 at 8:59pm

    sounds almost proud of the redistribution. not real concerned by the environment either…

    The oil price spike started our financial meltdown, getting every BTU under our soil will bring out economy back with a vengeance.

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  • guyperram
    Posted on November 18, 2010 at 8:59pm

    These folks may have all kinds of fancy degrees, but they are all dumb as a stone. History puts the lie to their nonsense, This is a scam, and should be treated as such.

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  • Kaen
    Posted on November 18, 2010 at 8:57pm

    Gee…Ya think? Ok, enough is enough already…time to start think about disconnecting from the rest of the socialist world and become isolationists again. Deport all socialist/marxist/communists from our country and cut ties with ANYONE that supports globalization.

    http://thefreeamerica.blogspot.com/

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    • janedough1
      Posted on November 18, 2010 at 9:03pm

      Hey, maybe that’s the way to “spread the wealth.” Maybe we should offer big incentives, immigration help and free plane tickets to anyone who actually voluntarily emmigrates to a communist country from the U.S.

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  • IM A *******
    Posted on November 18, 2010 at 8:56pm

    Im so sick and tired of this global warming BS. Why cant the people of the world wake up and realize they are being scammed. The biggest winner is Africa? You can pour the entire worlds money into that continent and it wont change. The same people who steal and redirect all the aid we currently send over will just have more. They are not interested in spreading the wealth to there own people.

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  • guyperram
    Posted on November 18, 2010 at 8:56pm

    The more dirt we see on the man caused global warming scam, the more I think we should charge all these people with, at least, criminal fraud. It is a shame that that charge does not carry the death penality.

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  • poverty.sucks
    Posted on November 18, 2010 at 8:56pm

    USA electric car purchase programs are influenced by global climate control initiative to fund scams f wasteful spending causing consumers to spend more money than they should by falsely inflating value on energy use.

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  • BlueCollared
    Posted on November 18, 2010 at 8:55pm

    surprise surprise. Who the didn’t know that man made global warming was all b.s.

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  • walkwithme1966
    Posted on November 18, 2010 at 8:55pm

    Well, the truth comes out – it figures!! http://maboulette.wordpress.com

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  • MontanaMade
    Posted on November 18, 2010 at 8:55pm

    “But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy.”

    This is exactly why those with a brain don’t believe in this program!! It’s ALL a scam for COMMUNISM!!

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    • Obama_2012
      Posted on November 18, 2010 at 11:13pm

      It must be nice to have all that money, live in a warm home with lots of food, watch TV all day. There’s millions of people starving all around the world and here at home and we have plenty of wealth that can be spread. Those banksters sure do need billions in bonuses while rethugicants vote against unemployment for the small guy. Won’t be so fun to vote for the big dogs when the food runs out and you realize your not actually on their team, your just a pawn to Murdoch and Beck. Bet you’ll want some redistribution then. Oh, what? You’re all self-sufficient now that you’ve seen Glenn with some canned vegetables huh? You can take care of your families with no stores, gas or electricity because you saw an episode where your hero pretended he could. Sure.

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    • bbquizzle
      Posted on November 18, 2010 at 11:21pm

      @2012

      You give all that away first, we’re right behind you.

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    • Obama_2012
      Posted on November 18, 2010 at 11:35pm

      bbquizzle

      I’m young. I will very likely not receive a penny from Social Security, so I have given it up(thanks in no small part to your best friend Bush’s bailouts of his Goldman Sachs bankster friends via Hank “I used to work at Goldman” Paulson), Your turn.

      http://seekingalpha.com/article/231804-retirement-outlook-get-ready-for-age-warfare

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    • whitaker
      Posted on November 18, 2010 at 11:53pm

      @Obama_2012
      1st: Obama bailed out the bankers first instead of giving the poor rebate checks. That would have helped his kenzien economic policy a lot better. Poor people have to spend the money unlike the bankers who can stash it away.
      2nd: Those “millions of people starving all around the world” are repressed by dictators and communist goverments hordeing the wealth of there country for themselves and there followers. A story from a friend of mine that went as an aid worker in one of those countries. As soon as the UN soldiers left the aid camp it was a bet who would show up first, the gov or rebels to confiscate the medicine and food for the good of the people. Ask some in code pink how the women in afganstan dont want the US to leave because there afraid the talaban or gov will think there too western. If socialism could work you would still have some people wanting more and trying to take from others. The UN wants power and those that distribute the wealth will have the power to rule with whatever conditions they chose.

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    • Obama_2012
      Posted on November 19, 2010 at 12:16am

      whitaker

      First, let me thank you for a reasoned response. Now, on to the reply:

      “1st: Obama bailed out the bankers first”
      Wrong. TARP was under Bush, that’s a fact – October 3 2008, $700,000,000,000 given in blank check form to his Wall Street terrorist buddies.

      “That would have helped his kenzien economic policy a lot better”
      It’s Keynesian. And this is something that needs to be straightened out, because Obama is not a Keynesian. I know you guys like to push it because it looks like Kenyan so it’s a semi-subtle way to make the birther argument, but it’s false. Nowhere in Keynes work does he recommend stimulus when a country is so deeply in debt(again, as George Bush caused. First in 01, then in 08). If you dispute this fact, cite your source in Keynes work. If not, let’s agree to drop the Keynesian nonsense.

      “2nd: Those “millions of people starving all around the world” are repressed by dictators and communist goverments hordeing the wealth of there country for themselves and there followers”
      Is this any reason not to help them with some money the billionaires don’t need(because they WILL hoard it as you rightly point out)

      “If socialism could work you would still have some people wanting more and trying to take from others”
      State capitalism is working pretty well for China. It doesn’t have to be full-on socialism.

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    • bbquizzle
      Posted on November 19, 2010 at 11:22am

      @ 2012

      I also am young, 20 years old in fact. I am certain I will never see any of my SS withholdings again, nor do I want to be on SS when I get older. I would rather make my own way. I will be the first in line to get rid of the program, and not for those who will be screwed without it, having planned their lives on having that income, but for those who won’t be affected by it, namely people my age or younger. That’s a different argument though.

      As for your first rebuttal to Whitaker, I only ask:

      On 10-3-08, who controlled Congress and wrote/passed the TARP legislation? Also, did Obama vote yes or no on it? Bush did err in signing it, I agree, but he is not the only one responsible for flushing my tax dollars away.

      Your point about Obama not following the Keynesian economic school of thought is incorrect. I will link to, of all places, an NPR story that is dated 1-9-09. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=100018973

      Ask yourself if Obama fits into this description of Keynesian economic theory, from http://www.investopedia.com/terms/k/keynesianeconomics.asp:

      What Does Keynesian Economics Mean?
      An economic theory stating that active government intervention in the marketplace and monetary policy is the best method of ensuring economic growth and stability.

      Investopedia explains Keynesian Economics
      A supporter of Keynesian economics believes it is the government’s job to smooth out the bumps in business cycles. Intervention would come in the form of government spending and tax breaks in order to stimulate the economy, and government spending cuts and tax hikes in good times, in order to curb inflation.

      Obviously, Obama cannot be a pure Keynesian subscriber because he clearly has no interest in cutting spending or taxes in “good times” or curbing inflation; note his silence on the Fed’s recent move to pump money into the market and inflate the currency via QE2. However, I would argue that at the least, he believes in spending public monies in large quantities, ie TARP, the auto bailout, the bank bailout, 99 weeks of jobless benefits, and the $1 trillion Affordable Care Act, in order to better the economy. Whether the theory works or not (it doesn’t) is irrelevant.

      And, no, I have no doubt that Obama was born in Hawaii and is a US Citizen. I am in no way a birther. That particular rumor was orchestrated by the Hillary Clinton campaign, if you remember. On that subject, since you bring it up, I simply believe it would be beneficial for him to shut up the few dummies who do believe he is not a natural-born citizen by simply unsealing his original long-form birth certificate and showing it, not posting a different version on the internet.

      As for Whitaker’s second point on oppression, I do have a problem with taking a billionaire’s money from him and giving it to the poor. It is the billionaire’s, and his/hers to do with as he/she sees fit. They earned it. I, by comparison to a billionaire, am poor. I do not feel entitled to ANY of a billionaire’s money, nor should I. Who is the government to take money from someone’s bank account and redistribute it however they wish? Does that not destroy the entire premise of private property, if someone can simply take whatever it is they want from you without asking?

      That said, I have no problem helping those who are truly disadvantaged and cannot change their circumstances without aid. As a Christian and a(at least a somewhat) decent human being, I give charitably of my time and money to what I deem worthy causes, such as Habitat for Humanity. The problem I have with redistributing wealth is that my choice of where, when and what my donation of whatever goes to is taken from me and a choice is forced upon me. As an abortion advocate might tell you, “It’s my right to choose”.

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  • LUDWIKA BRONISLAWA
    Posted on November 18, 2010 at 8:54pm

    Keep on talking, you globalist fiends! Just keep on talking.

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  • spendthrift
    Posted on November 18, 2010 at 8:54pm

    Wow…..Who would have thunk it?

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  • TruthTalker
    Posted on November 18, 2010 at 8:53pm

    Finally someone admits it.

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  • uneedmorekoolaid
    Posted on November 18, 2010 at 8:53pm

    truth hurts the movement huh!

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    • chazman
      Posted on November 18, 2010 at 11:21pm

      Never, you communist piece of crap …

       
    • uncleherbert
      Posted on November 19, 2010 at 11:52am

      chazman, is a plant, no doubt. using your own words have exposed you. true God fearing men need not speak hatred or make threats…

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  • Abel
    Posted on November 18, 2010 at 8:53pm

    Van Jones doesn’t call the EPA the “Equal” Protection Agency for nothing.

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    • BetterDays
      Posted on November 18, 2010 at 9:05pm

      just saw in “the hill” today an article on the EPA’s intent to pursue “greenhouse gas” limitation policies. Obama tried this in Texas but Texas said “not here”, so it looks like the EPA will keep on trying to circumnavigating congress.

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    • chazman
      Posted on November 18, 2010 at 10:23pm

      Hey PARKER … piss off, commie.

       
    • chazman
      Posted on November 18, 2010 at 10:29pm

      Islam sucks dogs in hell … Islam is a cult and must be destroyed. Hey PARKER … we, the American Patriot’s, know who you are and where to find you. You are on the list.

       
    • chazman
      Posted on November 18, 2010 at 10:55pm

      Hey 13TH, we at the Blaze know you for the commie scumbag that you are. And WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE … yer dead meat …

       
    • Parkeralan
      Posted on November 18, 2010 at 11:01pm

      Chazman, Sorry, you were right. I take back everything I said.

      PS: Please take me off your list : )

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  • Christian Kalgaard
    Posted on November 18, 2010 at 8:52pm

    No surprise!
    Too bad most people don’t pay attention, but kowtow to their environmentalist overlords, rather than thinking for themselves…

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    • Parkeralan
      Posted on November 18, 2010 at 10:09pm

      Way over the top Chazman. On so many levels:

      “I will KILL anything that thinks it can change the thoughts of our founding fathers … ”
      You are in the wrong country. We do not kill people for thoughts. We try to defeat them politically and through the laws of the Us, or convince them by good example.

      “I will come after you with the vengeance of our Lord Jesus Christ Almighty”
      ” as a Christian Soldier I will KILL you in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, Amen … ”
      Jesus Christ was peaceful and never declared vengeance on anyone. You will not be killing in his name, you will be a common killer and a kook.

      There have been so many posts on the Blaze saying that moderate muslims need to speak out against the radical nut jobs in their faith; I am speaking up for my faith. Chaz, you do not represent the values and beliefs of Christianity at all, you are an abomination, and a nut job!

      Go away you do not add value to the discussions here at the Blaze, and you are an embarrassment.

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    • 13thGenerationAmerican
      Posted on November 18, 2010 at 10:33pm

      Hey Chazman, you better read up on the Founding Fathers a bit

      Take away from Genesis the belief that Moses was the author, on which only the strange believe that it is the word of God has stood, and there remains nothing of Genesis but an anonymous book of stories, fables, and traditionary or invented absurdities, or of downright lies. [Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason]
      .
      .but the Bible is such a book of lies and contradictions there is no knowing which part to believe or whether any… [Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason]
      ..we must be compelled to hold this doctrine to be false, and the old and new law called the Old and New Testament, to be impositions, fables and forgeries. [The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9 p. 282]
      Of all the systems of religion that ever were invented, there is no more derogatory to the Almighty, more unedifiying to man, more repugnant to reason, and more contradictory to itself than this thing called Christianity. Too absurd for belief, too impossible to convince, and too inconsistent for practice, t renders the heart torpid or produces only atheists or fanatics. As an engine of power, it serves the purpose of despotism, and as ameans of wealth, the avarice of priests, but so far as respects the good of man in general it leads to nothing here or hereafter. [Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason]
      Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity.
      -Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782
      Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear.
      -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787
      I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent.
      -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Francis Hopkinson, March 13, 1789
      History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.
      -Thomas Jefferson to Alexander von Humboldt, Dec. 6, 1813.
      The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills.
      -Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, January 24, 1814
      Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.
      -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814
      In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.
      -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Horatio G. Spafford, March 17, 1814
      If we did a good act merely from love of God and a belief that it is pleasing to Him, whence arises the morality of the Atheist? …Their virtue, then, must have had some other foundation than the love of God.
      -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Thomas Law, June 13, 1814

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    • snowleopard3200 {mix art}
      Posted on November 18, 2010 at 11:07pm

      @Chazman

      Work on the expression of killing them with kindness, any kind of violence must be as the ultimate last resort – only when all other options have failed unless they have launched the attack first.

      Please join us Chazman in the Prayer Crusade, pray for them, and for your family, community and nation. By prayer with others who believe in its power when directed to God He is able to perform the greatest of miracles. By ourselves much may be accomplished, when united by prayer and guided by the Almighty, all things are possible.

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    • bbquizzle
      Posted on November 18, 2010 at 11:19pm

      Methinks Chazman is here so someone else can point at his posts and claim they’re representative of the “vicious, hateful, racist, violent and extremist” crowd here at The Blaze.

      Chazman, if you aren’t a leftist plant, which you sure smell like so far, you need to get some anger management help. Please examine what you are saying here; if that is what you truly feel and believe, get help PLEASE. If you are being paid for, or are being disingenuious in your postings, please go away and stop trying to destroy us. Instead, merely examine our message, rather than attacking us blindly at the behest of whoever your handlers might be.

      I pray for you.

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    • durg78
      Posted on November 19, 2010 at 2:32pm

      @13thGenerationAmerican
      It’s nice that you can quote the Founding Fathers, but you really ought to be careful not to take their words out of context. You’ve gone to great lengths here to quote Jefferson out of context in order to make him appear to be an athiest or diest. I’ve taken the liberty of correcting you. I’ve also included links to the full source of the quote for reference.

      “Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity.”
      -Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782 (http://oll.libertyfund.org/?option=com_staticxt&staticfile=show.php%3Ftitle=756&chapter=86251&layout=html&Itemid=27)
      Here Jefferson is speaking about the freedom of religion. He goes on to say, “Let us reflect that it [the world] is inhabited by a thousand millions of people. That these profess probably a thousand different systems of religion. That ours is but one of that thousand. That if there be but one right, and ours that one, we should wish to see the 999 wandering sects gathered into the fold of truth.”

      “Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear.”
      -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787 (http://oll.libertyfund.org/?option=com_staticxt&staticfile=show.php%3Ftitle=802&chapter=86673&layout=html&Itemid=27)
      Rather than repost the entire letter, I’ve provided the a link to it. The quote you provided can be found in paragraph numbered 4.

      “I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent.”
      -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Francis Hopkinson, March 13, 1789 (http://oll.libertyfund.org/?option=com_staticxt&staticfile=show.php%3Ftitle=802&chapter=86716&layout=html&Itemid=27)
      Jefferson is simply saying that he does not allow a group of men, or party, or religious sect dictate to him what is right and wrong. He‘s basically saying that he’s not a follower of men.

      “History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.”
      -Thomas Jefferson to Alexander von Humboldt, Dec. 6, 1813.(http://oll.libertyfund.org/?option=com_staticxt&staticfile=show.php%3Ftitle=807&chapter=88117&layout=html&Itemid=27)
      Here Jefferson is stating that an athiestic (priest-ridden) society is unable to maintain a civil government which protects their freedom.

      “The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills.”
      -Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, January 24, 1814 (I have been unable to find a credible source for this letter. Including the 12 volume set of “The Works of Thomas Jefferson” which includes numberous letters, the University of Virgina Library, and others. I must first doubt the authenticity of this quote until a proper source can be provided.)

      “Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.”
      -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814 (http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/jefferson_cooper.html)
      Here Jefferson is arguing that the New Testament is not a part of the common law, but rather that common law is derived from the Old Testament. The pertinent part of the quote is as follows:
      “Finch mistakes this in the following manner: “To such laws of the church as have warrant in Holy Scripture, our law giveth credence,” and cites the above case, and the words of Prisot on the margin. Finch’s law. B. 1, ch. 3, published 1613. Here we find “ancien scripture” converted into “Holy Scripture,” whereas it can only mean the ancient written laws of the church. It cannot mean the Scriptures, 1, because the “ancien scripture” must then be understood to mean the “Old Testament” or Bible, in opposition to the “New Testament,” and to the exclusion of that, which would be absurd and contrary to the wish of those who cite this passage to prove that the Scriptures, or Christianity, is a part of the common law.”

      “In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.”
      -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Horatio G. Spafford, March 17, 1814 (http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/jeffspaff.htm)
      Here Jefferson is again speaking about the uniting of Church and State, aka. legislating morality. He goes on to say regarding these particular priests, “… they have perverted the purest religion ever preached to man into mystery and jargon, unintelligible to all mankind, and therefore the safer engine for their purposes.”

      “If we did a good act merely from love of God and a belief that it is pleasing to Him, whence arises the morality of the Atheist? …Their virtue, then, must have had some other foundation than the love of God.”
      -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Thomas Law, June 13, 1814 (http://www.beliefnet.com/resourcelib/docs/60/Letter_from_Thomas_Jefferson_to_Thomas_Law_1.html)
      Jefferson here goes on to say, “Self-interest, or rather self-love, or egoism, has been more plausibly substituted as the basis of [their] morality.”

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  • chazman
    Posted on November 18, 2010 at 8:51pm

    Yeah … enough said … time to burn the U.N. building to the ground.

     
    • LUDWIKA BRONISLAWA
      Posted on November 18, 2010 at 8:57pm

      No no, we can’t do that (although it IS fun to say). I think we should turn it into a nice high security ‘retirement’ home for the treacherous dogs running this country into the ground.

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    • patriot4ever
      Posted on November 18, 2010 at 9:00pm

      Not Violent, Not Racist, Just not Silent. Will pray for you Chazman.

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    • whiskeybomb
      Posted on November 18, 2010 at 9:02pm

      No I think chazman said it just fine

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    • Christian Kalgaard
      Posted on November 18, 2010 at 9:05pm

      The UN is evil.
      Burn it down, I agree!

      Christian Kalgaard  
    • Stronge
      Posted on November 18, 2010 at 9:06pm

      Straight to the violence. Beautiful.

      Stronge  
    • Its Gonna Getcha
      Posted on November 18, 2010 at 9:07pm

      Wasn’t the United Nations supposed to be like EPCOT?

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    • CatB
      Posted on November 18, 2010 at 9:07pm

      Defund and send the U.N. packing … light is the best disinfectant and we need to shine it on this corrupt organization.

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    • Sledgehammer
      Posted on November 18, 2010 at 9:10pm

      It’s not enough to burn the building to the ground, We have to destroy the life form it has taken on. It’s not that hard, we go to the heart of the beast, in this case MONEY, we point out the billions that have dissappeared since the Haiti earth quake! We point out the billions that have vanished in Afganistan, and Africa and in Krowathia. Then we burn the building down, (which sits on Rockafellow land) then we salt the very earth upon which it stood so nothing will ever grow there again. And for good measure, we spread nuclear waste on the land. Good Hunting!

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    • chazman
      Posted on November 18, 2010 at 9:21pm

      I am a Christian, and I am a soldier. Pray for me, all Christian Soldiers …

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    • BetterDays
      Posted on November 18, 2010 at 9:32pm

      this crud is getting so repetitive and silly, its like that horrid song that makes the martians head explode in “mars attacks” ack..ack.ack.
      Hey socialists, heres a challange “share your wealth” with the worlds needy first, send us the reciepts of your generous charitable donations to “Save the Constitutional Government fund” and provide copies of your last three income tax returns. We will then determine if you have shared all your wealth. If you have any complaints about this, write the complaint in brief on a gold coin and mail it to me, repeat this process untill I respond.
      Silly commie, tricks only work in the shadows and your fully illuminated.

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    • tower7femacamp
      Posted on November 18, 2010 at 9:37pm

      If we are still alive to see it
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daN8249zTYk&feature=related

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    • Morningcrapper
      Posted on November 18, 2010 at 10:45pm

      There is no such thing as man made global warming. If you believe Al Gore please don’t breed anymore. The earth has warmed and cooled hundreds of times, So global warming does exists, but we don’t have a damn thing to do with it. We don’t have that much power. When the earth makes up her mind to warm or cool in the future, Mankind will have not a thing to do with it.

      But I could be wrong.

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    • snowleopard3200 {mix art}
      Posted on November 18, 2010 at 11:03pm

      Listen just kick the ever loving UN out of the country, and close the borders to all their ambassadors and lackies – especially Mr Obama, the apology President.

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    • SgtB
      Posted on November 18, 2010 at 11:16pm

      Like I’ve said before, it’s the only building that I would let be blown to smitherines(?) in the whole of our country and not give a single flip about. As long as the people are allowed to evacuate of course.

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    • WeAreAllGodsChildren
      Posted on November 18, 2010 at 11:59pm

      Yes. We the People never agreed to allow the UN to control our water, air, land, taxes, or people.

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    • HEARDENOUGHCRAP
      Posted on November 19, 2010 at 12:09am

      The ground it sits on is prime real estate. I say we confiscate it through eminent domain, tear down the building, and build the world’s biggest oil refinery/coal plant.

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  • Slobaphobe
    Posted on November 18, 2010 at 8:49pm

    Can’t wait for 12 and our new ambassador to the U.N. to kick their collective lying commie a$$e$.

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    • StMichelob
      Posted on November 19, 2010 at 12:35am

      I had a girlfriend who was a meteorologist. She was on one of MANY small teams which participated in the weather channel’s “vortex II” project studying tornados. An interresting thing happened. Nearly ALL the teams’ data concluded that global warming, manmade at least, DOES NOT EXIST. Here’s where it gets interresting. When her team leader gave his report to some mysterious government agent in charge of all this, she told him…and every other team leader, to rewrite the report reflecting that manmade global warming DOES exist, “or else” I was with her when she graduated from college, and she took a job in Peachtree City GA’ national weather service office. In the first year she was there, she say MANY senior members who did not agree with global warming be fired. Not retired, not laid off, FIRED because they would not change their minds.
      If you know ANYONE who worked on Vortex II, ask them about what they experienced.
      Al Gore is so heavily invested in “green” technology, it is sickening, and his investments will put him above soros’ wealth if this plan succeeds.
      And if itt does succeed? Well, then they can take credit for all the non-warming that is going on, just like they are taking the credit for the economy…well…not completely blowing up in our faces due to the stimulous bill.
      Same song and dance, I reckon.

      Semper Fi and DAMN it’s cold outside right now!!!

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    • jamesctheman
      Posted on November 19, 2010 at 10:12am

      Our ambassabor if there is a new one in 2012 can’t move mountains. The world community wants our wealth & the wealth of emerging industrial countries. This to redistribute wealth to a bunch of corrupt countries & Africa & the like. If we do this, how much money would the African people actualluy see? None. The corruption at the highest levels will siphon that money to their bank account i.e. Yasser Arafat for example or Saddam as well. Regardless this is a huge omission by the U.N. & one that shouldn’t be taken lightly because they want the New World Order to come about.

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    • dominke
      Posted on November 19, 2010 at 10:59am

      we cant wait until 2012 it will be too late.

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    • KaptainKody
      Posted on November 19, 2010 at 11:48am

      I can’t even believe this is news! Anynbody that has the intelligence of a radish should understand that Global Warming/Climate change or whatever other name the commy’s give it is nothing more than a ruse used to make money and control behavior. If you can convince the sheeple that every normal life sustaining action they take each day will so negatively affect the environment so as to make life unsustainable than you will have the ultimate weapon on manipulation and control!

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    • horned gator
      Posted on November 19, 2010 at 11:54am

      Does anyone else find it interesting that environmentalists are supporting a policy for addressing “climate change” that will ultimately allow less developed nations become more developed? Haven’t they argued that “development” is what has the ultimately caused “climate change”? I’m confused!!!!

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    • independentvoteril
      Posted on November 19, 2010 at 2:25pm

      I think it‘s do FUNNY for the blacks and latino’s actually THOUGHT they were having the money redistributed to them.. little did they realize they TOO will be giving to that redistribution effort.. and they thought it was stick it to the white guy’s..

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