Police Officers Union‘s ’U Raise ‘Em, We Cage ‘Em’ T-Shirt Angers Town
- Posted on November 2, 2011 at 6:42pm by
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A Northern California school police officers union has come under fire for selling t-shirts with a picture of a child behind bars and the slogan: “U raise ‘em, we cage ‘em.”
Twin Rivers Unified Superintendent Frank Porter, who oversees the police department, said officials are meeting to decide whether to take disciplinary action.
“I am deeply disappointed that any of our employees would produce anything like that, even in their off time,” Porter said.
According to town leaders, they felt that the fundraiser-intended shirts were “highly offensive and fuel mistrust of the Twin Rivers Police Department,” reports Fox News.
“Unfortunately, this shirt seems to confirm that this is who Twin Rivers Police are and how they think, or at least some of them,” community leader Derrell Roberts said. “This doesn’t speak highly of the culture of this department.”
The Twin Rivers Police Officers Association (POA) officials said they came up with the T-shirt idea in 2009 to raise money for fallen officers. Less than 30 shirts were ordered and most were sold for $12 to union members.
The POA website said in an official statement: “These shirts were made more than two years ago and have not been sold by the POA for over a year due to concerns in our own department.”
“However, no matter how long ago, we realize and acknowledge that we have made a mistake and an error in judgment,” the website stated. The union president stressed that the T-shirts weren’t on sale to members of the public, writes KCRA.
Association President Arlin Kocher claims that the shirts were a mistake and that the union stopped selling them this summer at the police chief’s request.
“I don’t think this will be received well by the public, which is why we stopped selling them,” Kocher said. “Our union, especially me, take full responsibility.”
Others were simply shocked at what they perceived to be a severe lack of good judgement.
“Oh, my God. Bad message. If it was the gang unit in a high crime area, that might be a little different. That’s bad, that’s horrible,” said former Sacramento Sheriff John McGinness according the Daily Mail.
This couldn’t have come at a worse time for the department.
They have been under increasing scrutiny since one of its officers was shot four times on Oct. 22 and the suspected shooter, Tyrone Smith, died hours later while in custody.
In fact, the Sacramento Branch of the National Association for Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) has asked the FBI to examine the department’s “scope of duties, authority and boundaries,” reports KCRA.
The NAACP even put together a town-hall style meeting so Sacramento residents could voice their concerns about the department, including “violent behavior and misconduct.”
With an organization like NAACP trying to call in an FBI investigation, the last thing that police department needs is a stack of shirts upsetting members of the community.
The Associated Press contributed to this story.
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Comments (184)
Not_A_Useful_Idiot
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 7:40pmYou officers, in tax payer supported law enforcement rolls better step up, and screw the “blue line” and police yourselves. This us against them mentality isn’t going to work anymore. Don’t be on the wrong side of history.
Report Post »oathkeeper10
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 8:11pmObviously, you’ve never stood on our side of the line. Remember that old saying, ‘walk a mile in my shoes’? TRY IT.
Report Post »JLGunner
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 9:41amWhen the folks you’ve sworn to help treat you with less respect than they do a stray dog, It’s hard to not have an us against them attitude. Everyone hates the cops untill they need them. Then it’s “where the hell are they, it’s taking forever?”. I’ve had my run-ins with arrogant cops but those are the ones you look at and dismiss, shut your mouth and let them spout their sermon and take your ticket.
Report Post »JRook
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 10:01am@oathkeeper10 @JLGunner Useful comments but let’s stay on point. The T shirts are reflective of an ignorant mindset. Is it Protect and Serve or Fine ‘Em and Cage ’Em. Let’s not argue the extremes here as it always a weak position. In most communities the legislators, courts and police have criminalized adolescence and spend more time setting up serious criminals who travel 45 in a 35 zone. The correlation between the drop in tax revenues and issuing of trivial speeding and seat belt tickets is more reflective of police actions in the majority of suburban communities. We have real criminals and real problems in this country. Again, if you can die in a useless war in Afghanistan at 19 then you certainly should be able to drink a beer to mourn your fallen friend.
Report Post »JLGunner
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 11:28am@jrook Ok the facts…Here in St Pete the youth that roll throught the streets (usually between 10pm and 1am 7 days a week) average in age from 9 – 17. They are responsible for closing a mall here in downtown. I personally had to deal with the little savages. There was a man sucker punched by a 16 yr old girl and his wife was pepper sprayed by her 14 yr old female friend. So lets see, is it really unreasonable that after years of parents not parenting and society failing to demand standards or personal accountability, that shirts like this would start showing up?
Report Post »Ruler4You
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 11:47amSort of gives you an inside perspective as to attitudes with in the “public service sector” of your local community. And you thought the cops only liked the job because they can beat the crap out of you at their discretion.
Report Post »ccrabill
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 1:31pmSorry OathKeeper, there is no excuse for that T-shirt. Having seen criminals in uniform lie to a judges face repeatedly to make up a case against innocent young men has utterly jaded me against law enforcement, sorry to say. These guys make an honest Law Enforcer’s job 1,000x harder than it should have to be.
Report Post »Secret Squirrel
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 4:51pm.
Lighten up.
If mom and dad actually raised their kids,
they wouldn’t be in jail.
I like it.
Report Post »colonial10
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 6:29pmFreedom of Speech. If your offended look away. There is truth in the statement on the shirt. All those young kids vandalizing city property at these riots across the country. I wonder where their parents are and if they even know or care that their children are breaking the laws? That is the problem with America today. People do not understand any of our freedoms. We need to protect these police officers for freedom of speech. Plain and simple.
Report Post »Armed Patriot
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 9:55amI like it… Takes a bit of humor to understand.
“Unfortunately, this shirt seems to confirm that this is who Twin Rivers Police are and how they think, or at least some of them,” community leader Derrell Roberts said. “This doesn’t speak highly of the culture of this department.”
Derrell… Not Darell. Most likely black, could be wrong. That would explain why his socially engineered dislike of the Police begins. Sinista Mace… Where you at. You agree that ddislike and mistrust of the police is largely a socially engineered view in the black communitty???
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on November 5, 2011 at 9:07amIt is socially engineered…by the actions of the Nazi Police State who has an extensive history of violence and contempt for the public, regardless of skin color.
I was just outside Nazi Headquarters protesting yesterday, and I had to argue with a Black Nazi, he told me I looked like a fool protesting them. I asked him how does the black man in a Nazi uniform stand here in public and tell me that I look like a fool…
Report Post »agundawg
Posted on November 14, 2011 at 8:14pmAll i want to know is where to buy this Shirt.
Report Post »djmaine
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 7:36pmSometimes the truth hurts.
Report Post »YoungConservativesRule
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 6:39pmDarn I was about to say that lol.
Report Post »Wreck14me
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 7:34pmHeaven forbid should parents be responsible for raising their children and instill good values, honesty, integrity, responsibility, etc. I think it is a legitimate statement. Look at the backgrounds of most (not necessarily all) juvenile and/or adult offenders. They generally lacked proper guidance and supervision by responsible adult(s) during their childhood years.
If you raise them to embrace an animalistic mentality, no values or morals, and low self-esteem, they are likely to be criminals and be incarcerated (caged). The adult offenders and most juveniles are responsible for their own actions, but the thought process can usually be traced back to bad parenting.
If you don’t like the message, change your parenting skills. Otherwise, it is considered job security for the police who have to clean up the mess from your demon spawn.
I give kudos to those who were raised in these environments and are able to rise above it to become good responsible members of society.
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 7:38pmAnd the adult version of that shirt should read “If U can’t BEAT them, join them”. So true. We’ve raised a generation of lawless punks male and female alike, all races, all creeds.
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 7:41pmI thought the whole idea of the self esteem movement beginning in the 1980′s was to head off these kinds of problems. Seems matters have gotten worse since the board of education removed the board and God.
Report Post »LinkedIn G
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 7:42pmMarc Lamont Hill believes prison populations are only to make money … therefore arrests are just a means to feed the prison cash cow. This is who is teaching our youth. Shame.
Report Post »MIBUGNU2
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 7:52pmKinda like “U TAG E’M” we‘ll BAG E’M……….
Do the same thing to LIBERALS………
Report Post »WeekendAtBernankes
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 8:36pmYeah except it should be a picture of John Corzine.
Report Post »hidden_lion
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 8:41pmI thought it was crude, but funny. The sad part, is it is kinda true.
Report Post »Pontiac
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 8:52pmHere’s a T-Shirt idea they can sell along side it to the parents of the little hoodlums to make it fair and balanced.
Report Post »“He was a good kid, he just fell into the wrong crowd.”
Red on the Head
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 9:11pmHow about “You raise ‘em, We Taze ‘em” .
Report Post »Jaycen
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 11:11pm@Founding Father2
The smear campaign is set to Full Tilt Boogey. This guy has only posted on Cain stories, and then re-posts on unrelated stories. He’s not the only one.
The Blaze has become a target for Progressive hitmen to make up usernames referencing the founders, a few even add avatars of Jefferson or Washington, and then go to town bashing Conservatives. It’s been rampant the last several days.
Report Post »Shiroi Raion
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 11:24pmI’ve noticed that too, Jaycen, but their almost completely obvious. They aren’t right in the head and if you look at their previous posts, you often see them blurt out some Liberal nonsense too. It’s funny. They think their sneaky, but to blurt angry Liberal nonsense then blurt racist comments in another post, it’s just so stupid and obvious. I remember hearing Glenn laughing about it on the air one day, so… I think we’re mostly all aware of it… except for those dolts.
Report Post »thepatriotdave
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 12:44amWhah-whah-whah… what a bunch of over-sensitive morons.
I kind of like the T-Shirts, and now that they are known about across the country, I hope orders pick-up big time!
Report Post »SgtB
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 1:05am@ Linkeding,
I don’t know about this Mark guy, but his ideas don’t sound so far fetched. Actually, there have been multiple cases that have come out recently where privatized prisons were getting a judge to convict people so that they could make more money. Obviously they also paid off the judge as well.
Then you have cases of planting evidence like what just happened up in NYC where undercover cops helped to stage people with narcotics just so they could meet their quota. And the entire “war on drugs” is ridiculous. You might think that after our stint with prohibition and the overnite increase in crime and crime related death, we would have learned our lesson. I’m no drug addict (unless you count chocolate and ice cream), but I am still not for imprisoning people who commit no violent crime or offense upon anyone else’s rights. To do so just isn’t right. It may seem right to you, but it isn’t.
Also, the main reasons that people are against drugs so much is that they believe that drugged up people commit more crime. If that is the case, then just charge the person with the crime and have them serve their time for the real crime instead of blaming it on something they ingested. After all, there is a large portion of the nation on prescribed mood “enhancing” drugs at any one time. Are they treated any different than anyone else if they commit a crime?
The war on drugs was started by the agriculture lobbyists and is continued today by big pharma lobbyi
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 6:31amT shirt should read “you failed to raise them, thus we are forced to cage them“ or ”you failed to spank that tail, now they will spend time in jail”.
in relation to another article on the blaze (about spanking). Take a look at America, and when Dr Spock and the anti spanking stuff started, and see how the modern Americn family, and the American public school system quickly lost control and lost discipline. Look what has happened to our prison population.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 6:44amhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_Ig34hQQXo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMEk07y2Qf8&feature=related
Report Post »georgiavietvet
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 1:10pmWRECK14ME…………..you are absolutely correct. those in the general public who don‘t like this teeshirt are the ones who don’t want to takes the steps to be sure their children are raised to be responsible citizens. as somebody else posted, the truth hurts. we aren’t teaching our kids to be good citizens so the police have to deal with them when they break the law. take responsibility for your children, and make this shirt unnessessary………………………….
Report Post »408 CheyTac
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 7:32pmAnd there, my friends, is the mentality of the average cop.
Report Post »Bluefish49
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 7:39pmMade me giggle…
Report Post »Scaz
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 7:55pmAbsolutley Cheytac. Cops have a “them against us” attitude towards the public. They forget who pays their salary and who they’re suppose to serve.
Report Post »82dAirborne
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 8:04pmOh for Pete’s sake! It’s a tee shirt. And it happens to be true in many cases.
Report Post »grayling646
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 9:10pmto cheytac and scaz i disagree. as a convenience store owner i see cops all the time. most are married with kids and are just trying to do their job, pay their bills, live their lives. i don’t know one who goes on shift looking for some one to arrest. if you keep your nose clean, they’ll leave you alone. also, if you‘ll keep your nose clean that means they’ll get bored and come into my store and buy coffee and doughnuts. SO EVERYONE!!! KEEP YOUR NOSE CLEAN!!!!!
Report Post »GUT_CHECK
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 4:44amthe pendulum will swingg back against these bad cops, it has already begun.
i could understand “you enrage ‘em, we cage ‘em”, with a picture of a highly pierced and tattooed punk, but this kid looks innocent and scared. besides, “raising ‘em” requires judgement and is more inline with what real parenting is all about. this is representative is the sadly typical cops’ powertrip attitude these days.
i’m guessing God has long been removed from schools AND police departments
Report Post »KickinBack
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 7:30pmThese shirts would be great for my town! Only one problem, the kids getting busted haven’t been raised. They’re feral.
Report Post »LinkedIn G
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 7:28pmNorthern California sure has their share of run ins with the police.
Report Post »Captiva
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 7:17pmHAHAHAHAHA Great Shirt!! They should have one with a black kid on it that way the NAALCP really gets fired up!!
Report Post »motonutt
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 7:27pmI don’t see anything wrong with it. My youngest son got arrested for shoplifting years ago, and when the cops called to let me know I told them I’m not coming to get him, he’s all yours. It ended his criminal career right there. He didn’t like jail very much. And I didn’t have to beat him with a belt.
Report Post »imsteph
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 7:32pmThought it was pretty funny myself! No one has a sense of humor anymore—we have been PC’d to death.
Report Post »robgc1
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 7:36pmWhere can I get one lol
Report Post »Tom
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 7:17pmI see the problem,… its not true. That is why they are not aloud to sell them. The problem is the parents aren’t raising them, all they did was give birth,.. liberal imbecile teachers and MTV raised this worthless plaque of useless spawn.
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 7:44pmI raised my children with the strictest of discipline but still maintaining a balance between the world ideology and what really works. So far so good, but they struggle because they see the mayhem all around them and the dual mindedness is there and tempting.
Report Post »GUT_CHECK
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 6:07amgrate speling tom, hoo rased yoo?
Report Post »rwandrw
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 7:14pmTruth hurts I guess. If the worthless parents were as conceded about the t-shirts as they were about ensuring their own did homework and were in on a school NOT 5 hours a day of “Grand theft auto” the shirts would have no meaning, now would they????
Report Post »GUT_CHECK
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 6:22amraise
1lift
2arouse
3erect
4collect
5breed
6increase
7make light
8increase especially in pay
apparently you could use a touch up on your vocabulary and definitions, so here it is.
the cops tear down what you build up.
the more they tear down what you build up, and the more they build themselves upon the pieces of you that they have torn down, the more they must continue tearing to keep themselves up.
this is what (many) of them have become. “i cant let my daddy think i am not as good a cop as he was” when really he’s just a thug
Report Post »SpankDaMonkey
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 7:13pm.
Report Post »LMAO the truth must hurt………
lel2007
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 7:12pmOh my !
Report Post »RightPolitically
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 7:11pmTasteless.
Report Post »82dAirborne
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 7:31pmYes. But true and I’d like to buy one!!!!!!
Report Post »pamela kay
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 1:40amWhy would we want to lower ourselves to their level by making racist comments like the obvious trolls do? As for the shirts, I agree it was tasteless. Now if it would have “You raise em and the progressives will imprison em with their socialist agenda,” I might buy one myself.
Report Post »burnteye86
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 4:29amTruth hurts. Don’t it?
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 7:10pmWhat a waste of Time & Money… raising a Leftist Idiot!
Report Post »another pucker
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 7:08pmIf these shirts were made a couple of years ago then their probably pictures of the OWS crowd. I find it quite humerous because when you raise children who feel entitled to anything they want and without punishment for bad behavior then this shirt is right on!
XOXOXO
Report Post »javasport
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 7:06pmI don’t find this funny in the slightest. I agree with Drattastic, It should read “If you don’t raise them, we’ll cage them”
Report Post »The current shirt just sounds like something a jack-booted thug would wear.
KidCharlemagne
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 6:59pmThis is the end result of federalizing local law enforcement (via police unions):
“National Unionization
House Resolution 413 — the oddly-named Public Safety Employer-Employee Cooperation Act — has a stated purpose of extending collective bargaining rights to all first responders. Doug Stafford from the National Right to Work Committee believes this legislation has greater implications and grants the federal government “broad power to impose the terms and conditions of employment for … public safety workers and local and state governments.”
Should this legislation become law, it’s unlikely that a newly-established national union would allow localities to lay off police officers. The result would be that localities would either have to raise taxes after federal funding ran out or ask for additional federal funding, creating a permanent dependency that will foster federal control over local policing practices.
Though a rapid transition to a federalized police force is unlikely here in America, an incremental shift to greater federal control is already occurring. These efforts will be difficult to forestall as Washington plays an increasingly intrusive role in local law enforcement.”
Report Post »http://www.policeone.com/patrol-issues/articles/3139476-The-federalization-of-local-law-enforcement/
progressiveslayer
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 7:16pmIt should die in the house,this country is already screwed up by unions and they don’t need any more power.
Report Post »progressiveslayer
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 6:57pmToo many pansies in this country,the pc BS worked flawlessly,progressives have created a bunch of candy asses.Have some humor and laugh,quit being so dickish.
Report Post »dorightfearnothing
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 7:04pmThere is also an element of truth to it, more & more we fear our youth because they are more & more out of control. They are products of there upbringing…. People just don’t want to be reminded that they sucked in the arena of parenting.
Report Post »WAKEUPUSA2012
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 7:10pmprogressiveslayer maybe u like living in a police state but i dont. our cops have been federalized and our way outta control.
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 7:13pmI don’t know, are they more out of control or are parents just control mongers? Of course or have the last two generations been brain-washed by fear of repercussions through people’s opinions, and add to it a busy busy schedule that gives them little time? Single mother’s with children of an absent father because the father has been replaced? Ah you know what, America just stinks to high Heaven.
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 7:22pmOf course the rest of the globe stinks even worse, and if it wasn’t for the fact that I know God is going to bring disease and discontent, I might be a little depressed.
Report Post »progressiveslayer
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 7:26pmWAKEUPUSA2012 I don’t see the connection between a funny t-shirt and a police state,no deeper meaning than a funny t-shirt.A police state would be Hitlers Germany and we’re not even close to that.
Report Post »However I will concede,the tsa is an unconstitutional department that should have never been created and violates our fourth amendment right daily.
WAKEUPUSA2012
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 9:17pmI understand ur point and it is kinda funny, but we have check points 100 miles in all across the US excluding east and west coast obviously. We have the DOJ sending guns to mexico to then turn around and say its because of our second amendment that there is violence in mexico. DOJ is the chief law enforcement office. Our cops should “protect and SERVE” but to me it seems like more and more they are tools used to oppress the people. I hate pc liberals but there is a point when our public servents should be held to a certain standered.
God Bless
Report Post »Doctor Nordo
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 6:56pmSorry, but this is funny. And even better considering how politcall incorrect it is. Anyone that can’t see that this is tongue-in-cheek needs to have their head examined.
Report Post »eleemosynary
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 7:07pmYep, peoples got to learn to laugh at themselves.
They should print 1,000 more. They will be sold out within a week!
Report Post »YepImaConservative
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 6:53pmI prefer to see a Tee Shirt with Obama, Pelosi, Reid and Holder behind bars… sold nationwide.
Report Post »brntout
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 6:58pmNo we did‘nt and no we couldn’t comes to mind,
Report Post »kentuckypatriot
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 7:01pmGreat idea. Maybe some entreprenuer will take note!! I’d buy several and pass them around to my family and friends.
Report Post »imsteph
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 7:52pmthey would be sold out in no time!
Report Post »YepImaConservative
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 8:09pmI just gave the last of my Obama-Commie money with him sporting the red beret as Halloween bag stuffers for the adults in my neighborhood. I live around a lot of Military and Military Retirees such as myself… went over big here.
Report Post »RightUnite
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 6:50pmThe truth must suck big time!
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 7:01pmThe truth is that they build prisons based on population growth in urban areas.
That’s not to say anything about the residents in that area, it says a great deal about the Prison Industrial Complex, and how it is merged with the military industrial complex. The military is helping the Taliban grow poppy for heroin, the cops are being militarized and federalized, and the corrupt court system leans in favor of public servants and seeks convictions and long sentences… even though the Feds and cops are caught moving drugs, guns, and cash for organized crime, they still prey on the low-level users and dealers in America while keep the drugs illegal and lucrative for the Cartels.
Then your kids get sent to a prison working for slave wages (undercutting free-market competition) owned by the same bank that launders cash for the cartels.
Sick.
Report Post »YepImaConservative
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 7:55pmV-MANMACE. WOW… what a segue! Lol. From prison to anti-Police, to anti-war/anti-Military and back again in 6.2 seconds. The Industrial Complexes according to the V-MAN!! Throw a little pro drugs in there…. and you have the other Liberals… the Neo-Liberal Ron Paul supporters.
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 8:18pmYepImaConservative
Nope, you’re still a neocon, and trying to associate my beliefs with “liberals” just shows how desperate you are to maintain your cognitive dissonance [which is sick].
You have ***FAILED*** to even rebut one of my accusations, you simply toss out opinionated drivel about my beliefs as if it passes as fact or wit. It doesn’t, it’s still drivel.
What are you actually commenting on, the fact that your brain is too atrophied to follow my smooth transitions between topics? It isn’t my fault that you lack the higher abstract faculties of logic that I possess, or that you aren’t able to make poignant connections between abstractions and articulate or comprehend them.
Maybe you’ve drank too much fluoride water or failed to suffer a book here and there throughout your life. I don’t know. I don’t really care.
One thing is for sure, personal/financial/religious freedoms doesn’t equate with modern day liberalism. Perhaps it equates with the original definition of “liberal”, but not the aspersion you cast.
Nope, you’re still a neocon who wants to impose your religious morals on others while you continue to lick the Police State boots in your self-segregated suburban utopia, continuing support for neocon AND liberal warmongering, “safe” thanks to your heroes, “safe” from the unwashed masses.
How much drugs and guns did your police state heroes ship into the ghettos today? How much cash did they help launder and shakedown?
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 8:21pmIt‘s pretty pathetic that you still think slandering me and Ron Paul’s supporters does anything to his campaign or me for that matter.
You have a lot of growing up and learning to do, troll.
Report Post »YepImaConservative
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 8:48pmLMAO @ V-MAN. You sure are the “Masture-de-bater” around your parts, er, these parts. Your’re a legend in your own mind as Dirty Harry would say.
You and your ilk are nothing more than Thrifty Liberals.
When I read you (and those like you) I see nothing but practiced Libertarian handbook jibberish. What I see are the childish rantings of misguided children with a type of sensory integration dysfunction or deficit who wind up all over the place trying to justify some nonsensical cult-like ideology that can only be defined along the same lines as the Liberal left. The only difference between you and the Liberal left? Your thriftiness…
Report Post »YepImaConservative
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 8:54pmOh, and btw… I will vote for the eventual GOP nominee V-MAN… who ever that may be (even Ron Paul who is a RINO, lol). And You V-MAN?
Report Post »WAKEUPUSA2012
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 9:41pmYepImaConservative u didnt argue one point all u did was call v-man mace a liberal and from what I can read hes not. Im not sticking up for anybody. I just saw him throw a bunch of points out there and all u did was call him names? thats pretty lame dude not a good debator? or ur just a neocon???
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 9:47pmYou still haven’t provided a coherent argument as to why you consider Conservative Libertarians “Thrifty Liberals”. You have ***FAILED*** to do that and instead are casting aspersions.
I’ll be voting for Ron Paul whether or not he gets the nomination, because I stand on principle. That’s what it means to be a Conservative Libertarian and a registered Independent. I don’t toe a party line.
Report Post »YepImaConservative
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 11:16pmYou must have ADD… I’ve written this all before in great detail… but I‘ll take into consideration who I’m dealing with here and put it into a nutshell for you squirrels. Libertarians and/or Ron Paul supporters IMO are a schizophrenic to a degree… liberal on social issues while conservative on fiscal matters/fiscal discipline (Thrifty Liberals, at best Quasi-Conservatives). If folks are not personally disciplined they are not likely to be publicly disciplined. Human nature.
Report Post »WAKEUPUSA2012
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 11:58pmwhoa major dick alert. somone does not agree with me so they need to be disciplined. more neocon garbage u dont agree with me so ur stupid. lol loser!
Report Post »YepImaConservative
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 12:08am>WAKEUP. Go back to sleep kid, I’ll wake you in time for morning cartoons, Cap’n Crunch and the short bus.
Report Post »JLGunner
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 9:01am@YEP. Trying to deal with a Libertarian is almost as bad as dealing with a Liberal (common gene pool). They will do their damnest to try an convince you they are the true one and only Conservatives, but in reality are the Democratic Party’s best friends. They know Ron Paul can’t get nominated… so they’re happy to see their other hero get elected again. Libertarians should get some ****** and admit the truth…. they can live just fine under a Democratic President.
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 9:39amI’m sorry, I don’t follow your ridiculous assertions anymore than tracking stars of the heavens. Your comments are geared towards nothing but argument. All you offer is opinions…like “in my opinion” blah blah blah and and “What I see is” blah blah blah.
You haven’t presented any facts or debated any issues. You’re simply a Neocon Pavlovian Attack dog who hates Libertarians because they dare to differ from your warmongering, religious moral-imposing ideology.
You STILL haven’t presented a coherent argument as to why you consider Conservative Libertarians “Thrifty Liberals”. I would like to hear your illogical assertions, however, so I can continue to laugh at your pathetic floundering!
You say that Libertarians are “liberal” on social issues, but you can’t elaborate? You just ASSERT that Libetarians are “liberal” on social issues, but can’t go into any level of detail? What’s the matter, afraid it will expose you?
You neocons would like to impose your religious morals on people’s personal freedoms. That’s what you call “personal discipline”. I don’t allow my conscience to burn me up from the inside out. I do what I want to do and I don’t CARE about your religious ideological imposition. That’s called personal and religious freedom, and indifference. Not Liberalism.
***FAIL***
And that goes for your cosigners and cheerleaders too.
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 10:21amNope I‘m a Neocon’s argument amounts to “in my opinion” and “what I see is”.
Nothing based in fact, and no elaboration on his assertions.
One thing is clear though, he would like to impose his religious morals on everyone, and he hates Libertarians for daring to differ from his party line.
Report Post »WAKEUPUSA2012
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 1:09pmYou do realize libertarians are more conservative? The FEDS should not be able to tell people what they can and cant do. People have choices. I hate liberal pc bull crap. So u cantsay we lean to the left. But u must have sucked up to much DU from ur time in the military. Flouride YAY~!
Report Post »netmail
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 6:50pmMy educator friends say….”It’s cradle to grave govt care now that a lot parents expect for their kids.” I think what the police are saying is that once schools are finished with them, this is where they are likely to end up. It is cutting sarcasim imitating real life, unfortunately.
Report Post »brntout
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 6:50pmAnd we are going to vote yes on issues 2 and 3 I hope in Ohio. As they burn the flag ,We’ ll be burning their weak t-shirts.
Report Post »Ookspay
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 7:01pmPerrysburg Ohio Ditto’s. I have said that if (and probbaly when) issue 2 fails I will move my company and it’s 40ish jobs out of State. Let the Union’s who ruined Ohio pick up my tax burdens. I left California in the Eighties and Hawaii in the nineties for the same reason. I am a producer and thus I am taxed to death (43% State and Federal). Atlas Shrugged indeed!
Report Post »OhioRifleman
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 9:42pm@ Brntout, Ookspay
Should be a win for 2 & 3. There is a huge amount of support outside the major metorpolitan areas, and a good bit of support in the cities themselves. Remember, the Obama Zombies are not all fired up this time around, so…
Report Post »demint.disciple
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 6:49pmOh MY GOD !!! THATS NOT POLITICALLY CORRECT GET RID OF THOSE… YOU CAN”T SELL A SHIRT LIKE THAT, LET ALONE EVEN HAVE ONE…
Report Post »drattastic
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 6:48pmIt should read”if u can’t raise um, we’ll cage um”
Report Post »Servant Of YHVH
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 6:55pmYou should have written the motto for them! This is perfect! I have no use for unions but this is actually a true statement whether the wannabe crybaby bed wetters like it or not. Sometimes something that sounds this confrontational needs to be said and hopefully when it is said, people get the idea that they need to do something about the problem instead of whining about how bad it looks.
Report Post »Meyvn
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 7:04pmAgreed.
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 7:05pmWhatever happened to “To Protect and Serve”?
Oh, I get it….the motto doesn’t apply anymore since the gig is up now, since we already know it, they just come right out and say it in your stupid face- they’re just here to generate revenue and lock your kids up in bank-owned cages for peddling and using the drugs they ship in!
Voila! As long as it’s getting predominantly minorites, my self-segregated police state bootlicking carcasse doesn’t care!
Long Live the Nazi Police State!
Report Post »drago
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 6:47pmPolice officers union or not, i want one. As Larry the cable guy says, “thats funny i dont care who you are”.
Report Post »vennoye
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 7:16pmDid the government outlaw our sense of humor?????? We seem to have lost it. Shirt slogan, to me, seems to be the epitome of Californians’ parenting skills.
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