U.S. Army Silences Catholic Chaplains From Speaking out Against Obama Admin Ruling
- Posted on February 3, 2012 at 8:02pm by
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Last Sunday, Catholic priests across the country read an open letter to their parishioners. It condemned the Department of Health and Human Services’ decision to force religious employers to cover the cost of contraception and abortion-inducing drugs in its employees’ health-care coverage. The letter argued that the faithful could not and must not in good conscience comply with the HHS’ “unjust law.”
However, Catholic chaplains in the U.S. Army were “forbidden” from reading this communication.
After Archbishop Timothy Broglio, who is in charge of Catholic military chaplains, sent out the note to be read at Sunday Mass, the Army’s Office of the Chief of Chaplains sent out another communication “forbidding Catholic priests to read the letter, in part because it seemed to encourage civil disobedience, and could be read as seditious against the Commander-in-Chief,” Business Insider‘s Michael Dougherty reports.
U.S. Army officials felt that “the letter contained language that might be misunderstood in a military setting,” according to Kathryn Jean Lopez of National Review Online, and they asked that it not be read from the pulpit.
“Instead, the letter would have been referenced in announcements and made available in the back of the chapel for the faithful, if they wished, as they departed after the Mass,” Lopez writes.
Despite these instructions, some U.S. Army chaplains read it anyway. Business Insider reports:
More than one Catholic chaplain who spoke to us off the record confirmed that many chaplains disobeyed this instruction and read the letter anyway. Others sought further instructions from their Archbishop.
Some reasoned that because the letter was not “politically driven,“ and that it only sought to reaffirm Catholic teachings on sexual ethics and the ”sanctity of life,” they would risk punishment and disobey instructions, one source involved told The Blaze.
Anticipating repercussions for reading the letter, a confidential email was sent to the chaplains instructing them to contact the Military Archdiocesan lawyer in case of more interference or any punishment (via BI):
The Archdiocese believes that any attempt to keep a chaplain from freely teaching and preaching the Catholic faith, for which you were endorsed, is a violation of the First Amendment of the Constitution. If any of you are in any way punished or slated for punitive action, I ask that you kindly call our Archdiocesan Attorney, John L. Schlageter, Esq….he will immediately place you into contact with a Religious Freedom Law Firm that will be most willing to take your case free of charge.
Here is the Archdiocese for Military Services account of what happened regarding the letter, its public reading, and a newly-edited, government-approved version to be released (via National Review Online):
On Thursday, January 26, Archbishop Broglio emailed a pastoral letter to Catholic military chaplains with instructions that it be read from the pulpit at Sunday Masses the following weekend in all military chapels. The letter calls on Catholics to resist the policy initiative, recently affirmed by the United States Department of Health and Human Services, for federally mandated health insurance covering sterilization, abortifacients and contraception, because it represents a violation of the freedom of religion recognized by the U.S. Constitution.
The Army’s Office of the Chief of Chaplains subsequently sent an email to senior chaplains advising them that the Archbishop’s letter was not coordinated with that office and asked that it not be read from the pulpit. The Chief’s office directed that the letter was to be mentioned in the Mass announcements and distributed in printed form in the back of the chapel.
Archbishop Broglio and the Archdiocese stand firm in the belief, based on legal precedent, that such a directive from the Army constituted a violation of his Constitutionally-protected right of free speech and the free exercise of religion, as well as those same rights of all military chaplains and their congregants.
Following a discussion between Archbishop Broglio and the Secretary of the Army, The Honorable John McHugh, it was agreed that it was a mistake to stop the reading of the Archbishop’s letter. Additionally, the line: “We cannot — we will not — comply with this unjust law” was removed by Archbishop Broglio at the suggestion of Secretary McHugh over the concern that it could potentially be misunderstood as a call to civil disobedience.
The AMS did not receive any objections to the reading of Archbishop Broglio’s statement from the other branches of service.
Update: The decision to forbid U.S. Army chaplains from reading the letter is an odd one. This is not the first time that the question of religious liberty and freedom of speech in the military has been brought up.
In fact, the Pentagon was once sued by The Becket Fund for having issued gag orders against a Catholic priest and Jewish rabbi for being vocal supporters of H.R. 1122 (the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 1997).
The Becket Fund argued in court that the gag order “violated their First Amendment rights under the Free Exercise Clause, the Free Speech Clause, and the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, 42 U.S.C. 2000bb, et. seq,” according to Free Preach.
The court agreed with The Becket Fund that the gag order was unconstitutional:
What we have here is the government‘s attempt to override the Constitution and the laws of the land by a directive that clearly interferes with military chaplains’ free exercise and free speech rights, as well as those of their congregants. 962 F. Supp. at 165.
Free Preach writes:
In particular, the court rejected all of the arguments advanced by the government to support their censorship of speech from the pulpit. For example, the government argued that it was not an important part of the plaintiffs’ religion to urge their congregations to contact Congress about particular moral or political issues. The court soundly rejected that argument, holding that it was not the role of the government “to determine whether encouraging parishioners to contact Congress [about a particular issue like] the Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act is an ‘important component’ of the [plaintiffs'] faiths.” Id. at 161.
Moreover, the court held that “[e]ncouraging parishioners to contact Congress“ about legislation addressing moral issues related to religious faith ”appears to be no less important to the [plaintiffs' faith] than other religiously-motivated activity courts have held to be important enough to a religion such that its prohibition amounts to a substantial burden.” Id.
The government then argued that the chaplains’ contemplated speech was “not religious” but merely “political.” The court rejected this argument also, holding that “it is not the role of this Court to draw fine distinctions between degrees of religious speech and to hold that religious speech is protected but religious speech with so-called political overtones is not.” Id. at 164.
Finally, the court held that any interests advanced by the government for their censorship policy were “outweighed by the…chaplains’ right to autonomy in determining the religious content of their sermons.” Id. at 162.
It is imperative to note that these same interests would likely be asserted by the government in the private freedom-to-preach context as well, and similar reasoning to reject such would apply. To summarize the holding: The State cannot interfere with the right of religious leaders to preach from the pulpit on political issues, even if those ministers are in the military [emphasis added].
Now, all that being said, and the legal and constitutional precedent having been set, the question is this: on what grounds did the U.S. Army have the right to forbid those chaplains from reading an open letter from the Archbishop during Sunday Mass?
Update II: The Secretary of the Army has approved the reading of the letter:
Subject: Important Letter
Importance: HighDear Chaplain,
After speaking with the Secretary of the Army it has been agreed that this text should be read at all of the Masses next Sunday and made available to the faithful. If you already read it last Sunday, it is not necessary to repeat the reading.
Thank you and God bless you.
Fraternally in Christ,
Most Reverend Timothy P. Broglio
Archbishop for the Military Services
However, it’s important to note that the language in “this text” has been amended from its original form. The line “We cannot — we will not — comply with this unjust law,” has been removed entirely.
This is a breaking story. Updates will be added as they become available.
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Comments (316)
garbagecanlogic
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 8:41pmHow can this guy in the White House be considered the CINC? All he can do is drive a wedge between every American that he can so he can tear this country apart day in and day out and so many are busy playing their video games and worrying about who is going to win the super bowl that they don’t have a clue as to what is coming down. It will be 2013 soon and then it will be too late.
The U.S. Out Of The U.N.
Report Post »The U.N. Out Of The U.S.
RabidPatriot
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 9:05pmI think the constitutionality of the Presidents decision should be addressed before words like sedition are thrown around. That darn constitution keeps getting in the way of President Obama’s attempts to fundamentally change America. He is like the 9th Circuit Court, he makes decisions based on ideology and then they get reversed on constitutional grounds.
Report Post »MCDAVE
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 9:06pmHe’s creating a lot of anger;I pray it may soon be directed back at him;the congress and MSM…These are truly evil people…Don’t buy into the lies these people are selling
Report Post »teamarcheson
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 9:09pmThe UCMJ states that illegal orders must never be obeyed. The Chaplin is being given an illegal order with regard to his religion and has a duty to ignore it. That order is no different than ordering that a Chaplin must carry and use a rife in combat. What kind of American Commander in Chief would issue or allow such an order to be issued. Next the Evil one will order that a Chaplin cannot mention God.
Report Post »aro5o75
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 9:30pmGet the Chaplains out of the blasphemous military.
Report Post »AJDeCarlo
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 9:40pmrabid, you are 100% right. The President is not above reproach, regardless of what the cowards in Congress or the lapdogs in the Courts say.
I say this as a career military man: I am only honor bound and legally required to obey orders that are not in direct contradiction to the US Constitution. I swore an oath that was argued and debated before it was written into the Constitution. I swear to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic. This line comes BEFORE “obey the orders of the President” for a REASON.
Report Post »snooop1e
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 11:13pmOnce again the “Great Uniter” has found a way to drive a wedge into the American culture. Seriously, Obama is in favor of abortion at any stage in the pregnancy to include partial birth abortions and he voted against rescuing babies who survive botched abortions BUT he calls himself a “Christian” Wake up America.
Report Post »janedough1
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 11:38pmThe president is seditious against us, against the constitution and against the military and church. He’s the seditious one, not that priests.
PATTY HENRY
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 4:34amHIS GOAL is to destroy AMERICA, from the inside out. To wreck her Financially; Morally; Spiritually; and destroy anything decent in America. He is a MUSLIM MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE. IF you can’t see that, then go away, sit down with GOD and discuss it.
HIS arrogance of course is in taking on the GOD of the UNIVERSE. THE CREATOR who made usm loves us and gave us AMERICA as an example of how the world can be when it’s good. There are millions of citizens who truly LOVE GOD and will not stand by why this Demonic, SATANIC being in the WH rips us to shreds. OUR BEST WEAPON? PRAYER. PRAY that GOD protect our Chaplains. PUT ON THE FULL ARMOR OF GOD on yourselves, your families and other loved ones and those we are praying for (EPHESIANS 6 ) GOD gave us the tools to deal with this. THEY want the fight? THEY GOT IT.
Report Post »2theADDLED
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 5:59amThis is the Danger of electing a President who has not served and does not truly understand and Honor the oath. So before you pull the lever to vote Think. I think us oldtimers will fight to the grave defending that oath.
Report Post »Stalinist from Balkan
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 8:22amWhy you right-winger don’t complain when this priest is spreading neonazi teachings?Maybe coz american right-wing and the nazis are two faces of the same coin.
Report Post »rush_is_right
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 8:58ampsst..hey gomer…nazi = national SOCIALIST….ie nazis are you.
Report Post »barber2
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 9:47amSTALINIST: Hey, comrade, please return to the Balkans. Your friends in the Communist Party need you to bring them back to power. ..in RUSSIA not in the USA !
Report Post »fixer
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 10:21amI thought that we might get rid of this POS that the idiots voted in in 2008 with the 2012 elections.Now it‘s starting t look like there won’t be any 2012 elections if Obummer has his way.Christians are supposed to shut up and take it,but guess what.There are PLENTY of Christian soldiers that are willing and able to take down this EVIL in the white house…Peaceably or NOT!
Report Post »Jinglebob
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 10:53amWhen is the cowardly leadership in our military going to stand up to this guy in the White House?
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 10:54am“We cannot — we will not — comply with this unjust law.”
Once THAT sentence was taken out of the letter, Obama WON. Headline: The Catholic Church Cowers Before the Almighty Government.
This is what a dictatorship looks like.
Report Post »Jinglebob
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 10:54amLove the soldier…hate their commanders.
Report Post »Ruler4You
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 11:33amAre Army Chaplains being silenced? Yes.
We’ve been right here and watched it. We know sharia is being implemented in the Military. I’ve watched it right here. Leadership “IS” at a moral impasse. It can‘t find the words to describe it’s support for our sovereignty to an outside sovereign entity (islam) without sounding discriminatory. But, that‘s what making a ’choice’ “IS” all about. Discrimination. It‘s a ’prejudice’ toward the other.
Without clear convictions of individual character based in morality, one can’t make the choice necessary to prepare oneself adequately for assault. And preparation is everything.
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 12:07pm@Ruler4You
Report Post »Very interesting comment. Hussein is taking this action as Commie-in-Chief. However, as a Muslim he is required to exempt Muslims from Obamacare abortion policies. I wonder how that is going to play out. Your thoughts?
maryhuldah
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 12:24pmAbsolutely: out of the UN! And let the clegy obey their religious leaders. – Obama’s health mandate is political, nothing to do with the military!
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 12:36pmI just remembered that Muslims won’t have to buy health insurance. In fact, Muslims don‘t have to comply with any of Obama’s dictatorial orders. Islam is a protected minority religion. Christians can and will be persecuted all day long.
Report Post »ThemDemsLie2much
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 1:21pmI think this is cause for all Catholics to leave the Military with honorable discharges. It was the Military that chose to infringe on their religion. Soon the Military will be made up of Muslims and Gays and the world will be a safer place. Thanks Almighty Obama!
Report Post »toto
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 1:54pmI would add, Obama should follow the UN out of the US, he is proving to be as UnAmerican as they come in terms of trampling on the rights of US citizens who are not Muslim, and objectifying citizens as objects/subjects under his control.
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 3:01pm“After Archbishop Timothy Broglio, who is in charge of Catholic military chaplains, sent out the note to be read at Sunday Mass, the Army’s Office of the Chief of Chaplains sent out another communication “forbidding Catholic priests to read the letter, in part because it seemed to encourage civil disobedience, and could be read as seditious against the Commander-in-Chief,””
Someone needs to educate these public servants so they understand that there’s no such thing as “sedition against the Commander-in-Chief”.
There IS such a thing as sedition against the Constitutional rule of law, and Obama is definitely guilty of it.
Report Post »NEWSTALKER
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 3:34pmIf obedience to God is disobedience to you (any part of our government as well as our armed forces), then so be it. You do not hold authority over religion and especially ones eternal obligations. You are trying to dictate ones results before God after this life. Should you silence that of what one might hear free speech, particularly when it concerns and might affect ones eternal outcome. How many things does a soldier hear with his own ears during their service that provokes them disobey their commanders? I am sure that is quite often, yet the soldier still has a choice of good conscience to react appropriately and of not, then a trial should be the judge of that. You our government, (a servant to The People) need to make a choice, either put God back in all parts of our governments, or fully take God out. Do not continue to be lukewarm as stated in Revelations. I would rather have God in all parts of our government, since He is clearly the only one to be trusted with His perfect moral laws and guidelines.
Report Post »Bum thrower
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 4:05pmLike my daddy once said; “son, if you sleep with a dog, you’ll get fleas”. Well the catholic church slept with the Dems and Obama and they got “fleas”; sanctuary ‘churches’ for illegals; letting the SOB speak at Notre Dame…etc…as far as I am concerned, no love lost, and they got what they deserved.
Report Post »ghostsouls
Posted on February 6, 2012 at 12:24pmThe very people, the military, who fight and DIE, so we can enjoy all the freedoms our country has to offer, which include FREEDOM OF SPEECH, is being DENIED the right to FREEDOM OF SPEECH, as ordered by obama. obama is the commander in chief and is responsible for the orders the military get. He could overrule any decision and say let them speak….Thank God for the US Chaplains who read it anyway…. This is a travesty, to allow our military men and women, NOT to enjoy the same freedoms for which they fight and put their lives on the line for the rest of us to have!!!
Report Post »Radio Free Rome
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 3:47pmAs in civilian law, the military recognizes only one form of confidential communication from a service member, the right to priest-penitent confidentiality and the military will not pursue information attainable through violated priest penitent confidentiality. DADT makes an exception to this rule by pursuing testimony against an allegedly gay service member attained through confession.
By supporting DADT, Abp. Broglio has endorsed violation of the seal of the confessional. He is in heresy and, as he knows, breaking the seal is as grave a sin as murder.
Abp. Broglio, you are a coward for denying the most basic form of freedom of speech to Catholic service members but insisting all chaplains, even self-righteous desk-jockeys like yourself, have absolute rights to freedom of speech.
You, sir, are a eunuch in a dog collar.
Report Post »marion
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 8:41pmAs much as I hate to agree, the brass does have a point.
On the other hand, Newt has been the only candidate that has pointed out the assault on our Christians nationwide and will stop it faster than anyone else.
We have to get this one right, Mitt isn’t any different than what we have, and just like some of the double-speak stuff BHO said before he was elected, Mitt does the same thing. We need a conservative the media doesn’t like. Forget the attacks, it is we the people that know the truth, vote Newt.
Report Post »beverlee
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 8:50pmSo, it is not okay for catholic priests to preach their beliefs and state the obvious (that the government should not be allowed to trample religious freedom,) yet it is okay for Valerie Jarrett to preach Obama politics from the pulpit. I believe the supreme court would disagree with the first and the IRS would disagree with the second. This administration disgusts me.
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 9:05pmWhat is the punishment if they read it anyways? Maybe the Chaplins could just call it a “work place” incident like the radical muslim shooter at Ft. Hood?
Report Post »mikee99
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 9:12pmActually Mitt has spoken about Obama’s war on religion and the catholics specifically. He has mentioned it a couple times.
Mitt talked about it in his speech on the night of the Florida primaries. He also said he would fight it and make sure anything the government has done against religion would be overturned and he would protect the freedom of religion.
Report Post »OneRepublic4us
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 9:35pmYou’ve got it wrong. Newt is Obama in Republican clothing. Just like McCain. Half a dozen of one 6 of the other. Newt is establishment Republican. He can talk a good game, just like they say Obama did but he’ll finish the job Obama started. Destroying America.
Report Post »snooop1e
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 11:17pmRomney is the Conservative version of Obama. Anyone who believes that God started out as a man and then became A god and that we all will eventually become gods ourselves and have our own planets with our own humans should not be President. Take some time to seriously study the Mormon religion and you will be shocked at what they believe. Joseph Smith was no different than Mohammed.
Report Post »readytostand
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 2:02amSeditious , who”s the seditious one here!?? What i just do not understand is why the military has not removed Obammy from {commander in chief} from his derilection of duties .!??He has pissed on the U.S . constitution.! Is this not TREASON?????? No disrespect intended to our military,but the way i see it, the biggest threat to our country resides in the white house!! His intention is to break us of our beliefs and way of life , and or divide us and create civil war!! Very Evil!
Report Post »Patriotic_Mercenary
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 3:06am@snooop1e
(and others that like to espouse misplaced/misinterpreted anti-LDS theology)
The LDS faith does not preach that God was like man. Instead, we are capable of becoming more like Him by accepting the fullness of the Gospel and grace of Christ. We wouldn’t become God or supersede him. Instead, look at the passages in the Bible that highlight this even in His own words. The passages highlight that we are subservient to him forever and always.
Deut. 10:17 For the LORD your God [is] God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward
Psalms 82:1 God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.
Psalms 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
John 10:33-35 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
Let me direct you to an LDS apologist (not someone who apologizes, but one how debates and argues points).
Below is a direct links to Mr. Lindsay’s site.
http://www.jefflindsay.com/myturn.shtml#Trinity
http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDSFAQ/FQ_theosis.shtml
I also entreat you and others to read http://www.fairlds.org/
Report Post »sdranger
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 9:24amI believe good friends on the Blaze you are getting this wrong. I highly doubt it was Obama doing this or all of the other branches would be involved I‘m sure he loves it but that’s not the point. Point your arrow where it belongs and that is the liberal leadership in the US Army. Let’s face it they get the same education the rest of the elite get. I’ve been thinking and saying this for a long time this only proves my point. If and when martial law is put in place DO NOT expect the military to come to our rescue. By the way I’m a retiree.
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 10:25amsdranger
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 9:24am
I believe good friends on the Blaze you are getting this wrong. I highly doubt it was Obama doing this … Point your arrow where it belongs and that is the liberal leadership in the US Army… I’ve been thinking and saying this for a long time this only proves my point. If and when martial law is put in place DO NOT expect the military to come to our rescue.
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I’ve been warning others about this too. People don’t believe me, but the military/police WILL not be on our side. The Pentagon is also radicalized, as the article shows.
You are wrong about one thing. Obama IS very much behind this. Abortion and all its corollaries are an integral part of HIS agenda. Obama didn’t legalize abortion, but he wants to pull all the stops and turn America (and the world) into an abortion machine. Did you read the original letter? Obamacare will be FORCED on our military, unless they are willing to pay a hefty fine. That’s because Obamacare is extending its tentacles to all health insurers. Eventually, our health care will evolve into a single-payer system, as intended. In the end, everyone will be forced to comply with Obamacare abortion policies. And forget the courts. There won’t be a conservative court left in this country when Obama consolidates power.
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 10:37am@marion
Report Post »As much as I hate to agree, the brass does have a point.
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Really, Marion? REALLY?? What happened to the First Amendment of the CONSTITUTION? Is ANYONE above the Constitution? ANYONE?? Does someone need to give you a gentle slap so you wake up?
lukerw
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 2:25pmHow can you Swear to Protect & Defend the Constitution… yet, not abide by it?
Report Post »Dismayed Veteran
Posted on February 6, 2012 at 1:39pmReadytoStand
The US military and naval services will never remove the POTUS. US military and naval services do not mutiny. One of our great traditions is that the military and naval services are subordinate to the government and We The People.
Since chaplains in all branches of the military and naval services got the Archbishop’s message, why was it that the US Army was the only branch barred from reading the message?
Report Post »MrMagoo
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 8:34pm‘Civil disobedience’?‘Seditious’ behavior? Damn straight it is.And there will be plenty more to come when the vast majority of people wake up and realize the blatant Communist take over that is taking place daily in the Federal government.DON’T TREAD ON ME.
Report Post »C. Schwehr
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 8:52pmHave to agree with you. And if the Criminal-in-Chief knew exactly what his troops REALLY thought of him, half the active military and about 3/4 of the reserves/guard would be up on insubordination charges because they HATE the SOB!!!
Report Post »The people who will be soon forced out of the military in the name of “cutting the debt” will be doing the same thing we did during the Clinton years, cussing the SOB out at our retirement ceremonies because that will be the only chance we’ll have to tell the people we work with exactly how we feel about the POS in the White House!!!
MCDAVE
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 8:57pmBy attacking the 77 million Catholics,Barry‘s arrogance is on display for all Christian’s to see..He has no right to keep this information from our sons and daughters in the military..We cannot respect a president who does not respect God..And our Country will continue to suffer as long as he remains in office
Report Post »boundforglory
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 10:29pmI wonder if the cuts in the military are just to get rid of all christians in the military so that obummer can fill those spots with muslims? Without any religious americans in the military, there wont be any morals holding back the assault on americans that do believe in God when the anti-christ comes into power to get rid of all christians. On thursday at a breakfast prayer, obummer was quoting the bible and doing a very bad job of it too. Some in the white house have said that obummer now thinks that he is Jesus! Jesus walked on water, obummer walks on the constitution, big difference!
Report Post »candcantiques
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 2:39pmI fully agree. Get the traitor out of office before the country and the Constitution no longer exist
Report Post »TrueAmerican66
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 8:34pmWhen one joins the military you lose certain Rights such as Freedom of Speech, the Right to Peacably Assemble….You can’t even sign a petiton on Base. Imagine that me and my Fellow Brothers and Sisters in Arms lost several Rights so that we could Defend, even unto Death, the Rights of Every American, and we did it proudly. Now that I’m Retired Obama and those other Bastards on the Hill will NEVER be able silence me. P{eace out America.
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 11:03amYou DON’T lose your right to the free exercise of religion — that’s until this commie piece of human filth OCCUPIED the WH.
Report Post »Lucy Larue
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 7:17pmTRUEAMERICAN66,
Report Post »PEACE out and HOOAH!
@leftfighter
Posted on February 6, 2012 at 1:37pm…BUT…
Chaplains are given greater levity in freedom of speech than everyone else because it was understood that by the very nature of the Fiorst Amendment, what Chaplains do is covered as both free speech and the free excercise of religion.
A Chaplain friend of mine (active Army) has said (specifically regarding the DADT repeal) that while the Administration technically has the right to order them limit their speech, the imposition of something like that would cause a mass resignation commissions of Chaplain, effectively wiping the Chaplains Corps out of existence.
I asked if he thought Obama would actually think that was a good think and he declined to answer the question, which told me his answer.
He then said that he felt that some within the remnant of the Chaplain Corps would file and win a Federal First Amendment case, and it would all blow over.
Applying hat here, I suspect nothing will come of it. Chaplains are sworn first to God. That’s been the understanding for 230 years, and will probably remain the case for some time to come.
Report Post »phillipwgirard
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 8:31pmNo doubt when the deification hits the rotary oscillator they will be coming for some of us for our comments, I don’t care one bit,
Report Post »godhatesacoward
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 8:40pmThey will not be coming for your comments! Do you think you are special in administration’s eyes?
Report Post »All American American
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 10:08amI think you mean “defecation.” Just lookin’ out.
Report Post »momrules
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 8:30pmIn the Army’s Office of Chief of Chaplains letter part of one sentence struck me. It said Archbishop Broglio’s letter ” could be read as seditious against the Commander in Chief.”
How can this letter informing American soldiers about agovernment mandate be remotely seditious?
I genuinely don’t understand. Do any of you military folks have an answer?
Report Post »C. Schwehr
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 8:57pmEvidently anything being read to a military audience that does not praise the messiah (the White House version, that is) can be considered seditious in nature because it does not re-inforce faith and true allegiance to the messiah….None shall speak badly of our lord “Obama”…
Report Post »justangry
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 9:53pmNah, Momrules. I don’t have an answer. I’ve been out for some time now, but something’s not sitting right here. I’m even a hopeful agnostic. No ma’am, nothing about this seems right at all. It’s as if everything this in this country has been turned upside down.
Report Post »Mike from Columbus
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 8:30pm“…render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s; and to God the things that are God’s”…Jesus (Matthew 22:21) Our consciences do not belong to Obama whether we are in or out of the military. Obama continues to poke God in the eye. That does no mean we have to.
Report Post »grandma7
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 8:27pmEWTN’s homily, this morning told of our enemy of religious liberties…….“The Federal Government”…and that’s a quote. I’m so proud of the EWTN priests and leaders. They are actively standing up against Satan and his drones (ie BO). These brave priests and EWTN team members have braved much to stand against the evil and to, publically, show their allegiance to our Lord. Praying that the Catholic Community will follow.
Report Post »yiska8
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 8:40pmYes, I’ve seen the sentiments expressed on “The World Over” last night. Catholics must fight this adminstration every step of the way. The Army had no business restricting the very rights that those wearing the uniform are sworn to uphold. Just imagine if Obama lost the military’s support. If a President loses the military’s respect and support, he will be completely powerless. Civil disobedience? Most soldiers would never betray their nation or the oath they took, but if this President continues to dictate in this illegal manner, And he will continue to do so. I wonder what most military men and women will do? Will they continue to follow orders from Obama or will they follow their conscience?
Report Post »TexasWax
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 9:10pmETWN…..not to mention “The brown Penguin” (An endearing Blues Brothers reference for Mother A) Spoke deliberately and kind of scary specific (looking back) to the ‘Apathy’ and it’s coming results in the world, well over a decade ago.
The gauntlet has been tossed. Luke warm, relative thinking, Catholisism – yet alone Christianity as a whole, will only feed the culture of death. Pelosi is a prime example of what is wrong with parts of the ‘body’ of the catholic church. Let’s pray the cure does not resemble intense cancer treatment.
Report Post »KathleenElsie
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 9:06amI wonder how the “one” hour a week social participants will vote this year. Sadly I don’t have much hope that they will vote for freedom of Religious beliefs. Pray for this land where God once was respected by its citizens even if they were not Christians themselves.
Report Post »mycomet123
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 11:58amThank God for the WISDOM of Mother Angelica to keep the ownership of EWTN out of the hands of the bishops/archbishops of America. When she was speaking publically there were some bishops that tried to silence her!!!!!!. Unfortunately, not all bishops/archbishops & priests are PRO-LIFE. There in lies the CANCER in the Catholic Church. If there were TRUE leaders in the Catholic Church they would have EXCOMMUNICATED Nany Pelosi, Joe Biden & the rest of the liberals in the Church. There is a reason why Nancy Pelosi still STANDS PRO-CHOICE in the Church, she is defiant & is being allowed to. I do not blame Nancy Pelosi!! She has NO SHEPARD to kick her butt out as it states in 1 Corinthians 5:2-5. The bishops/archbishops that ALLOW her to STAND are the ones who are MORE GUILTY!!!!!!!!!!!!.
Report Post »yiska8
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 3:57pm@TexasWax and @KathleenNelsie
Report Post »Some of us Catholics are firm and did not buy into this Obama filth. We’re a strong minority and believe that Vatican II was the beginning of the weakening of the Church. I saw the lib theology becoming moreso in my teen years and had a profound distaste for it. I understood the basis for it, but did not think that priests and nuns should be reaffirming socialism or marxism nations in order to make nice with the unstable and dangerous leadership especially in Central America. Some of us knew this was coming along time ago. And not all Catholics only show up to mass once a week. We go to chapel alone and pray. Some say the rosary faithfully (not I, but I know a lot of older praying grandmas who do). We read the Bible before bed faithfully. We ask for help from this terrible man ruining and now dictating to a religious organization as to how to run and pay for healthcare, birth control, etc. I’m sure there are a few Baptists, Protestants, and Lutherans who only show up to church once a week who I too hope will vote out this nightmare in office. Obama wants a Holy War. He would be wise, to not dictate to the Vatican. They’ve been around longer than most nations on earth. Right or wrong, Obama should not *iss off the Pope. The late John Paul the Second would have publically denounced Obama from the Vatican window. That Polish Pope was a tough, anti-commie servant of God. Miss you John Paul II!!!
ALL4FREEDOM
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 8:26pmThe military is not required to follow unlawful orders. By the way, the commander in chief has violated both his oath of ofice and the Constitution so many times, it is a minor miracle he has not been impeached. Here’s a thought for the Occupy protestors: why not parade outside the White House with signs that say, “RESIGN!”
Report Post »C. Schwehr
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 10:24amHe can’t be impeached because the marxist Senate would refuse to do so, just as they refused to remove another criminal…Bill Clinton. The federal government is no longer controlled by the people, and hasn’t been under our control for about 70 years now….WAKE UP AND TAKE IT BACK!! Otherwise, your only alternative is to wait for the civil war which will result from the organized collapse of our economy by the sitting government. YOUR CHOICE….
Report Post »candcantiques
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 2:36pmC. Schwehr I agree with you totally. Time to take it back. Problem is there are to many people that think things like…. the superbowl is more important, sugar should be outlawed, GMO corn is good for you, independance from foreign oil is secondary to green energy, and anyone that thinks Obama hasnt done a good job is racist
Report Post »cassandra
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 8:24pmour blessed military is being infiltrated by the atheist machine, by ignoring this we are giving up our rights little by little until we will have NONE when will we take a stand against this evil monster, What will it take ????
Report Post »candcantiques
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 2:45pmI have been asking that for 3 years. I have a bad feeling about what might possibly happen later this year what with all the camps and caskets and all. If you dont know what I am talking about go to utube. The video’s are all there. If we dont stand now I doubt we will ever get the chance again. I have a bad feeling that in 100 years this country will be known as the united socialist muslim states. We are well on our way.
Report Post »candcantiques
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 2:48pmActually what I believe it is going to take is former military to stand up before we ourselves do. If high raking former military officers stand up watch everyone else run to stand beside them. I will be one of them.
Report Post »scrapadapolis
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 8:24pmOk so im a political refugee.I cant find refuge in america due to politics but I can go to a church and declare asillum so what gives..Holy grounds always outways government six ways from sunday.
Report Post »Fearnone
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 8:23pmWhen I swore the enlistment oath in the U.S. Army and then again in the U.S. Air Force, I swore “…that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.” The Constitution, as mentioned first, trumps all others on the list.
Report Post »justangry
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 8:34pmThat’s the way I read it. Obama certainly seems to be creating a rift in the military that they certainly don’t need these days. It can’t be good for morale.
Report Post »karenm
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 8:45pmYou pick Obama over God? Obama doesn’t follow the Constitution so why are you so concerned about following false rules?
Report Post »AKC
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 8:52pmDrones like you seem to forget.. If your President and/ or your superior office(s) are giving you illegal and/or unconstitutional orders, you have the “Right” and it is your “Duty” to yourself and the American people to refuse such orders.
Report Post »justangry
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 9:57pm@Karen/AKC, I think you‘re misinterpretting what we’re saying. I believe both of us think Obama is WRONG here.
Report Post »Lucy Larue
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 5:49pmFEARNONE,
The U.S. Military has certainly been bruised,battered, beaten…, and USED these last three years plus…,NON?
Our military is the proverbial “canary in the coal mine” to indicate the way this country is going.
Tres tragique. The soldiers are weary of the P.C. of their leaders.
Do civilians truly believe that the CORE of our fighting force is OKAY with “Don‘t ask don’t tell”?
Do civilians truly believe that we left Iraq after so much sacrifice with our HONOR intact? Ask Iran!
Do civilians truly believe that Panetta’s latest announcement about when our troops would leave Afghanistan was not a message to Islamofacists that all they had to do was wait “The Great Satan” out?
We have an administration that believes in the sanctity of the United Nations.
Really?! Syrian men, women, and children are being murdered in the streets in the thousands and China and Russia abet it.They won’t sign off on sanctions?!
Iran is going nuclear. They want the return of the 12th. Imam. This administration ignored Iran’s “Green Revolution”of the people. The PEOPLE were begging the United States for help. Our help never arrived. We ignored the
But hey…,Egypt and Libya were worthy of our help. UGH!
In this time of unrest our Marines will be cut by 20,000. Yet that many IRS workers will be hired.
We lose our freedom in tiny increments.
Another post from Wonderland.” Down is up. Up is down.We’re painting the roses RED”!
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Lucy Larue
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 7:15pmsorry…,should read the REPEAL of “Don‘t ask don’t tell”.
Report Post »Gamaliel
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 8:22pmHere we go. Better pick a side.
Report Post »hillbillyinny
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 8:41pmI pick God’s side! And I thank the Bishops for taking a stand, I pray that the congregations will learn and understand what is important here, and that other God-fearing people of Faith will align with the Catholic Church supporting this stand for a people’s rights!
God, family, country, I pledge my life in that order.
Report Post »momrules
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 9:01pmThis is no longer political, it is war between good and evil. As I read different web sites and the comments on each of them I can almost see the line drawn in the sand and people either moving to the left or the right.
Report Post »Hard times are coming.
MCDAVE
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 9:16pmSometimes you have to tear it all to pieces to fix it..It breaks my heart to see our Country so divided..I for one am sick of supporting the liberals;and the sun is about to set on there agenda.
Report Post »candcantiques
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 2:53pmI will stand for the Constitution of the United States as ORIGINALLY written by or founding fathers. Time to start over.
Report Post »candcantiques
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 2:55pmThe tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure.
IT’S TIME
Report Post »justangry
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 8:22pmWondering if any will resign their commissions. They’re obligated to follow the orders of the Commander-in-Chief, but I’d assume their calling would have them serving a higher authority. It would seem like the most reasonable way for them to protest. It would certainly send a message.
Report Post »C. Schwehr
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 8:38pmThe only problem with the arguement that going against this new declaration is going against the Criminal-in-Chief is that this law comes from CONGRESS, not the PRESIDENT. Unless there is a standing order that forces all such laws to be considered as coming from the Criminal-in-Chief, they can ignore it as violating their right to practice their religion without interference from the government.
Report Post »As for the order preventing these chaplins from giving out the word of the church…there is no such thing as freedom of speech in the military. I would suggest that these chaplins should resign their commissions in protest and that catholics in the military should seek a parish outside of the base they reside at.
Elena2010
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 12:25amNo need to resign commissions when the Archbishop to the Military can pull every last priest off active duty/out of the reserves w/the stroke of a pen. Every ecclesiastical endorser has the power to pull one or all endorsed chaplains. Imagine the mess if the Archbishop did that! You think they would go into combat w/o their unit chaplain — no way…not the Army, not the Marines. Some ships in the Navy depend on Lay Leaders since the unit is too small for a detailed chaplain.
Here is how the military chaplaincy works. A chaplain candidate must have a bachelors degree plus a Master of Divinity degree (or its 90 hour graduate equivalent — Mormons and muslims do not have seminaries). The candidate must be ordained to the priesthood or equivalent (non-liturgicals do not call their ministers priests but pastors, etc). Then the candidate must have written approval fm his/her denomination to become a chaplain (reserve or active duty). Each denomination has different requirements usually related to pastoral experience or advanced clinical pastoral experience.
Then the candidate applies to the service of his/her choice to see if there is a vacancy. Most of the services have set numbers of Rabbis, Catholics, Liturgical, and Non-liturgical to fill. Those numbers correspond to manning documents. For instance, a typical aircraft carrier has a priest and two Protestants. The embarked air wing may also bring a chaplain. Laymen fill in gaps – Jews, Orthodox, muslim, etc.
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 11:32am@C. Schwehr
Report Post »As for the order preventing these chaplins from giving out the word of the church…there is no such thing as freedom of speech in the military.
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Why are so many people falling for this? There is a legal precedent that Obum is violating the First Amendment:
“In particular, the court rejected all of the arguments advanced by the government to support their censorship of speech FROM THE PULPIT.” (emphasis added)
From Virginia
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 8:19pmWe are doomed. The military is supposed to defend us from all enemies – foreign or DOMESTIC. We are being destroyed from the inside and the military is complicit in that destruction.
Report Post »justangry
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 10:17pmThat’s quite a statement. A lot of them are trying. Look into the Oath Keepers.
Report Post »Smittyflakes
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 10:22pmIf I am complicent in that action then come and get me. Ohh by the way, I will be busy over in AFG for the next few months when you are busy hiding in your basement. Everyone is at fault for this, for taking their eyes of the prize. You single out the military in words because you are too afraid to back it up with actions. Come and take it!
Report Post »justangry
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 10:31pmStay safe Smitty. Lots of veterans on here know what you‘re going through and that you’ve got your hands tied.
Report Post »C. Schwehr
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 10:28amYou would also be surprised to know that many of the SpecOps types would fight for the PEOPLE of this country and not for the GOVERNMENT if it came down to it.
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 12:00pm@Smittyflakes
Bravado aside, for the most part the top military brass is radicalized. FROM VIRGINIA is just expressing frustration with that fact — understandaby so. The military is the last bastion of hope. You go, we ARE doomed. Or do you think we are any match against you? The question becomes, how many of you will disobey your top commanders? It won‘t be easy and it’s coming, as you well know.
You are our heroes and the bravest on earth. I pray Psalm 91 for you, Smitty, and for all in the military who are fighting for our freedoms.
Report Post »candcantiques
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 3:03pmCall me a fool but I think that if 30% of the active and former military were to stand up they would find MILLIONS of Americans standing right beside them.
Report Post »candcantiques
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 3:04pmSmittyflakes stay safe and GOD BLESS
Report Post »Lucy Larue
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 7:12pmFROM VIRGINIA,
The MILITARY is not FREAKING COMPLICIT !
Look to their Admirals and their Generals ! UGH!
And you civilian FROM VIRGINIA are complicit in letting it happen.
Report Post »What are YOU doing to change ANYTHING?!
Elena2010
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 8:19pmChiefs of Chaplains offices are notoriously spineless. When I was in, our chief did not want us working anywhere near families in crisis (family advocacy/domestic violence). I ask you, where is the grace of God needed most? In families that are at war with themselves! It was right where I was – the chief be damned.
Report Post »pattybbb1
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 8:52pmAnd thank you for your service. A time will come for all of us to stand. And stand we must. Please military people, think!
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 12:14pmGod bless you, Elena.
Report Post »W@nd@
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 8:16pmtalk about tyrannical behavior…
Report Post »this administration has it in spades
DD313
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 9:04pmBetter watch it; that particular suit has connotations beyond cards. Maybe even seditious ;)
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 1:43pmFirst they took the Jews… then the Cripples… then the Mentally Distrubed… then the Elderly… then the Opposition Leaders… then…
Sush… the PC Police will hear you!
Report Post »bullcrapbuster
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 8:16pmSo much for joining the military to fight for freedom.
Report Post »justangry
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 10:41pmDepressing, ain’t it?
Report Post »C. Schwehr
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 10:31amI wouldn’t recommend that ANYONE join the military right now…..Considering that the military is now downsizing again (10,000 personnel removed from the Air Force alone next year), and considering who they’re fighting for (or against), the military is NOT a good bet right now.
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 8:15pmSome of the same crap pulled by the Clinton Administration back in the ’90s. I was there and certainly remember it. We just did not have sites like this at the time to illustrate the left for what it is. BTW, Clinton stopped us from having a bible visible on our desks, and such things as no bible study classes held by dependent wives gathering in military quarters with their children in attendance. It was really that crazy back then too.
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 8:22pmMy fellow Chaplains gave the women plenty of space in the religious ed classrooms for themselves and their kids. :-D
Report Post »whereareyourbrains
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 8:13pmSo now we are being silenced to show the military what their commander in chief in proposing.
Report Post »It is to keep them uneducated about the programs their commander in chief in enacting.
I see this as another stage of Free speech being silenced.
beckwill
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 8:13pmI’d think fearing God should trump fearing Obama. Do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
Report Post »phillipwgirard
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 8:29pmpersonally I don’t fear 0bama, I loathe him,,,
Report Post »ConservativeBrony
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 8:13pmMilitary has more rules and restrictions, not surprising. Being a military brat you get used to it. It‘s all higher up’s decisions.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 1:36pmI guess… GOD on your side and being Righteous… are less valuable than a Job, Promotion, and the Blessings of Obama!
Report Post »Redmanblackdog
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 8:13pmWhat happened to free speech?
Live Free Or Die!
Report Post »COFemale
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 8:09pmSo it is okay that OWS can protest against Wall Street and Corporations, but the Catholic Priest can’t protest or defy the government. Although, Separation and state is not in the Constitution, I want to use it against the government in this instance. That stance cuts both ways. What is good for the goose, is good for the gander.
Report Post »SheriS
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 12:40pmI hope Americans start realizing Obama is attempting to totally ignoring the Constitution because he sees it as negative rights! But he still beleives he can do anything he wants! There are so many disgusting storys out today about what Obama is doing we all have to realize he is taking our Constitutional rights away from all Americans and unless we find a way to stop it, we will all be losing many of our rights!
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 8:08pmOK… given Martial Law… you can see where the Military Leaders will stand!
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 8:19pmIf I read you correctly I hope and pray that you are wrong. Been retired for almost fifteen years and the leadership back then would not take such orders. Hope many are the same way today.
Report Post »phillipwgirard
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 8:22pmFrightening,,,
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