UC Davis Launching Probe After Pepper Spray Video
- Posted on November 20, 2011 at 9:37am by
Madeleine Morgenstern
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A University of California at Davis police officer uses pepper spray to try to break up a group of Occupy demonstrators on campus Friday. (Image source: Davis Enterprise)
The chancellor of University of California, Davis is forming a task force to investigate the circumstances of the widely-circulated video that shows a police officer blasting pepper spray into the faces of seated protesters.
UC Davis Chancellor Linda Katehi called the video images out of the northern California university “chilling” and “sad and really very inappropriate,” even as other law enforcement members have come forward to defend the officer’s actions.
In the video, recorded Friday, an officer methodically pepper-sprays a line seated protesters who flinch and cover their faces but remain passive with their arms interlocked as onlookers shriek and scream out for the officer to stop.
Ten protesters were arrested, including nine students, before officers retreated. Nine students hit by pepper spray were treated at the scene and two were taken to hospitals and later released, university officials said.
As the images were circulated on YouTube, Facebook and Twitter on Saturday, the university’s faculty association called on Katehi to resign, saying in a letter there had been a “gross failure of leadership.”
Though she expressed sadness at a Saturday news conference, Katehi defended her leadership and said she had no plans to resign.
“I do not think that I have violated the policies of the institution,” she said. “I have worked personally very hard to make this campus a safe campus for all.”
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After the news conference, Katehi walking to an SUV past a group of students nearly three blocks long who, in a coordinated effort, stood completely silent, the Sacramento Bee reported.
The protest was held in support of the Occupy Wall Street movement, in solidarity with protesters at the University of California, Berkeley who were hit by police with batons on Nov. 9 and to express anger over recent University of California tuition hikes.
The university has declined to release the names of the officers involved.
UC Davis Police Chief Annette Spicuzza said the decision to use pepper spray was made at the scene and will be reviewed.
“The students had encircled the officers,” she said Saturday. “They needed to exit. They were looking to leave but were unable to get out.”
Many Twitter and Facebook comments supported the students and criticized the response after the video garnered international attention.
“Stomach churning video of police using pepper spray on seated anti-Wall Street protesters in Davis, Calif.,” actress Mia Farrow wrote in a retweet of the video.
But a law enforcement official who viewed the clip called the use of force “fairly standard police procedure.”
Charles J. Kelly, a former Baltimore Police Department lieutenant who wrote the department’s use of force guidelines, said pepper spray is a “compliance tool” that can be used on subjects who do not resist, and is preferable to simply lifting protesters.
“When you start picking up human bodies, you risk hurting them,” Kelly said. “Bodies don’t have handles on them.”
Kelly said he observed at least two cases of “active resistance” from protesters. In one instance, a woman pulls her arm back from an officer. In the second instance, a protester curls into a ball. Each of those actions could have warranted more force, including baton strikes and pressure-point techniques.
“What I’m looking at is fairly standard police procedure,” Kelly said.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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Comments (299)
Walkabout
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 10:25amIn the Leftists Dictionary
The right to obstruct meetings, gatherings, commerce, thoroughfares comes before
Other people’s rights to use thoroughfares or conduct meetings, conduct commerce.
Marineraider
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 10:33amwho’s pathway was being obstructed?
The Police can use baton on you if you curl into a ball?
For those who have fought for it Freedom has a special flavor the protected will never understand
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 10:43amMarineraider
They were blocking a sidewalk, that would qualify as a pathway or thoroughfare. Block enough of them & you can’t get to class or anywhere else.
OWS has blocked exits from building (Washington D.C.), major streets & bridges in NYC, & pedestrian access. People in wheelchairs or otherwise handicapped prefer to use sidewalks & not the grass (Much more difficult for them you understand?)
If blocking or hindering access along sidewalks around abortion clinics is illegal, then why wouldn’t blocking sidewalks on a campus be illegal.
P.S. You are not the only one that has been to war (s).
Report Post »Marineraider
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 10:51amYou are correct,……if you read the original post UCD allowed the protest, only they could not have tents, why not remove the tents? These kids are harmless, if they will not remove the tents then have the police protect the campus maint. crew as they remove them.
All I am saying is that it seems to me the rules of engagement for U.S. protesters are much more lax than for U.S. troops in harms way.
Report Post »SoupSandwich
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 10:53amWhen can we start to impede ingress/egress to the free clinic, state/county/fed social services, drug courts, lawyers guild and glbt workshops? These people who cry for the tantrum punks need to shut up and join in with the protests. Like soft core socialism, do it right or shut your pie hole-get out there on the street with the protesters you support. The 1st ammend is 1st for a pretty solid reason. Get out there and wear it out-don’t sit at home and troll along all comfy-stand up and show your support to this cause, whatever it is this week.
Report Post »gobnait
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 11:12amMarineRaider: Thank you from the bottom of my family’s heart for your service to our country. We will never forget. I agree that some comments are over the top in their suggestions of violence towards these protesters. That said, please understand that most of these people wouldn’t wish that harm on others. It’s simply a reflection of ever-growing anger and frustration at our government and the radical left who seem to be waging a well-orchestrated, well-funded assault on our nation’s economic system and culture. We conservatives feel a profound sense of helplessness as we watch these people, who DO NOT represent the way WE feel about the path to restoration, force us further into a downward spiral of chaos and unrest. Our president and his party embrace their activities and that leaves us feeling unrepresented and outraged. There are few ways to air our frustrations beyond venting on a message board as we await the coming elections to voice OUR views.
Report Post »the_truth_or_not
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 1:46pm@Walkabout and Marine
I really hope you both are being sarcastic. I have never read the we have the right to be a public nuesence.
As far as ‘where does the police have the right to baton people curling in a ball?’ well if Curling in a ball is an attempt to defy multiple police orders and to obstruct a police action, They have every right.
These Flea Baggers are lucky the werent tazed (Dont taze US bro). All the Police would have had to do was hit was one. Or bean bagged, I am sure that hurts coming from a 12 gauge. How about a LRAD if that was available. I think the measure that they took, was the best one at hand for the given situation.
Report Post »Marineraider
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 1:48pmGOBNAIT
I am very much on the right side of this debate…..as with most of these folks. The problem I see is that to change the direction of this country 180 degrees of the direction it is in today may require more than a vote. The politicians and corporations are draining our economy by not doing what is good for the nation and I am not talking about taxes they pay or that they should not be able to make however much they would like for producing something people want. It is the influence they have to shift legislation in their favor.
When they call us names or do something stupid lets engage them in debate. The police in this case did not change anything at UC Davis they left and the protest goes on.
For those who say that its only pepper spray its harmless, you are only half correct. The police officer is using a high pressure nozzle at point blank range. That in not the proper way to deploy this type of canister. Luckily no one was hurt and they put their faces down.
Also, some have said these people want to change our way of life……..I disagree these kids have no clue what they want other than to do what everybody else is doing
Report Post »6lsmh9
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 5:41pmExactly, their right to protest should trample everyone elses rights. But your right to worship God should be hidden in the closet. That has always been the way that they react to things.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 6:26pm“who’s pathway was being obstructed?” – Marineraider
Who uses a sidewalk at a university? Professors, students & university staff. Not all of them have great mobility. You have not seen blind people, people with cerebral palsy or people in a wheel chair go to a university.
Do we have to play a little freaking game and have a person with a disability see if they can pass from a parking lot their class by the most direct route? Would other people have to wait until we saw if the OWS deigned to let such a person pass?
If the let a disabled person pass, why would they not let a person, a student, with no disability to pass? Because they have no disability they have less of a right to travel unhindered to class?
Or is that OWS would let a wheel chair bound student pass but not any other student pass, because if they blocked a wheel chair bound person they would look really really bad.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 6:44pmMarineraider
“For those who say that its only pepper spray its harmless, you are only half correct. The police officer is using a high pressure nozzle at point blank range.”
30 pounds per square inch or greater would be harmful. OSHA sets a standard for low pressure air at 30 psi. How far back should Mr policeman be? 20 feet? 10 feet? 5 feet?
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 6:53pmmarineraider
Is it peaceful for anti-nuke activists to block access to an Air force base, because there may or may not be nukes on base.
If we elect a president & a Congress & determine that we need a nuclear force to counter the Soviets, should the Nuclear Freeze movement be able to determine our government policies outside the electoral & legislative process.
Certainly the Nuclear Freeze movement had congressman on their side. John Kerry who once served in Vietnam supported the movement.
I would remind you the Soviets made payments to the Communist Party USA & others . They also had SS20s pointed at Western Europe at this time but the Nuclear Freeze people wanted no response to the SS 20s such as the Pershing.
DDSS
Report Post »ishka4me
Posted on November 21, 2011 at 8:54ampepper spray was designed for this exact type of use of force and is uniform among all law enforcement agencies across the United States. This could be a training tape on correct use of product. Officers were not injurred and no lasting harm to the law breakers. Kudos.
Report Post »Bible Quotin' Science Fearin' Conservative American
Posted on November 21, 2011 at 11:15amI would watch this video but this “WE The Kings” crap on the side bar is BLARING on half the stories on this site and there’s not a way to pause it. I’ve never understood why advertisers think that an annoying advertisement does them good.
Report Post »JSnake
Posted on November 21, 2011 at 2:56pmYour rights end where mine begin.
Report Post »Rob
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 10:22amThis is why it is good I am not in charge. I would have beat the heck out of them and thrown them in jail for a few weeks.
Report Post »SpankDaMonkey
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 10:26am.
The cops need one of those microwave heat guns. Talk about make a guy move…….
Walkabout
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 10:28amI wouldn’t. I would not beat someone & then let them out of jail. I would try to use proportional force up to a point.
I think people who disrupt meetings should have their own meeting disrupted until they learn basic courtesy.
People who throw bombs should have bombs thrown at them. Maybe they would not be involved in children’s education then.
Report Post »Marineraider
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 10:43amYou guys sound like Marxist, complete tyrants, …….Have any of you ever had to protect the right of others…. I do not agree with most of these protesters, but they are humans and create by God…….I don’t think most of you could handle being in a position of authority, do some soul searching!!!!!
Lets save our energy to fight those who truly wish us harm.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 11:54amMarineraider
The protester blocked exits form a D.C. convention center on or about November 5th. This did 2 things
– It potentially put people in jeopardy if there were a fire
– It is trying to get other people whom they disagree with to stop meeting. It is infringing on the right to assemble. That is a constitutional right.
If you don’t arrest them when they fail to obey a lawful order, then they will push the envelope. the will assert squatters rights. They have done this before & won in NYC. It is codified law in Costa Rica. This is not a hypothetical situation. Suppose that you were deployed overseas for 15 months to Iraq. That happened to many people before 2008. Suppose you are single & lock up your “Raised Ranch” style house & go on deployment. Then an a group affiliated with OWS squats in your house & demands that they be given title, because housing is a HUMAN RIGHT & they NEED it. After all you can get base housing. Or since you had the means to obtain a house the 1st time it should not be hard to get another house after all. What will you do?
Besides squatting, taking over public spaces to protest , they will engage in citizen’s arrest.
These people are all rights & no responsibilities.
Report Post »Dirty Harry
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 11:59amRob said: “This is why it is good I am not in charge. I would have beat the heck out of them and thrown them in jail for a few weeks.”
Rob, and you‘d better hope to heck I wasn’t also there as I’d dismantle your anti-American arse in 2/3 of a heartbeat.
Report Post »Scottsman
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 12:16pmThese idiot protesters had it coming to them. And, Dirtyharry likes to make empty, impossible threats while hiding behind a screen name.
Report Post »Lamarr01
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 12:44pmDon’t hurt these children. Getting pepper sprayed is one of the rites of passage.
Francis Fox Piven must be proud. The campus police, municipal police are being overwhelmed by these juvenile acts of “civil disobedience”. The purpose is to overwhelm the local police so the National Guard, Homeland Security and finally U.N. forces can be deployed.
This is what a “Community Organizer” does.
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 1:10pm@Marineraider
“You guys sound like Marxist, complete tyrants”
You are correct. Think of it in military terms. How easy is it to infiltrate a Marine Camp? How easy is it to infiltrate a blog post? The Blaze has a lot of socialist Marxist, sitting in the comfort of their parent’s basement, pretending to be Conservatives, firing words like bullets in order to make us look bad. You can spot them easily by what they say.
Report Post »justafollower
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 1:19pmscrolling through the rest of the comments and … Oh, look. DirtyHarry running his bitter, angry mouth with not a shred of logic. Maybe you should go join them at the college. Just make sure you take some classes while your there. I suggest history and maybe constitutional law because you are in desperate need of an education.
Report Post »tifosa
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 4:12pmWho doesn’t love the people who tell OTHERS they “need an education” and don’t know “your” from “you’re?”
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 5:07pmtifosa
According to Lady (or is Lord or High Inquisitor) Tifosa, if are person makes a grammar mistake because they didn’t proof read, were hasty or just upset at some lame brain, then then Tifosa feels compelled to point it out.
Tifosa denies or ignores the logic of an argument if their is a grammatical error.
We should be grateful the we can type our posts instead of writing them out. If we forgot to cross a t or dot an i, GRAMMER & PUNCTUATION DAME Tifosa would be on the case.
Report Post »EngChina
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 10:56pmIT WAS NON VIOLENT PROTEST – Do any of you read anything except the garbage on this Blog or the bilge served as news on FOX.?
Some of you suggest tear gas -rubber bullets — why not a flame thrower?
Report Post »The conservative right is nothing more than a bunch of willfully ignorant fascist Hitler style brown shirts who would have loved living in Germany during the 1930′s when that ugly little private was ascending to the office of Herr Chancellor . Many of you would have felt quite at home in the beer halls of Munich chanting “Herr Hitler! Herr Hitler!”
And just in case you are struggling to understand the definition of fascist.
I’ll post a link for you:
http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/fascism
SoCaLCapitalist
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 10:21amNext time due as Cartman, just blast them with death metal music. Every time they relocate play it louder.
These morons got what they deserved. I think the police deserve a raise and the idiot professors at UCDavis should be fired. These kids deserve to learn skills that are valuable to the world. The professors backing these kids obviously believe pan handling and bad manners are a career. Fire them and make it their reality.
Report Post »666Sucks
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 10:19amWe are at war and they are soldiers of he communists that are behind this coup d etat. Next time use the dogs! Your gonna get sued anyway, let’s make it worth our while!
Report Post »enough_liberal_BS
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 11:53amBravo! Bravo! Clap clap clap!!!!!!!!!
Report Post »progressiveslayer
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 10:18amThis video sums up the role of these temporary useful idiots,they‘re engaging in their own demise and the beauty of it is they don’t have the intellectual capacity to understand what they’re doing.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Iz3VjoHXLA
Report Post »tifosa
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 4:35pmWe know the beckbots by their lingo.
Report Post »My fave definition of useful idiot: Person who blindly supports a corporate-run plutocracy and will fight for its preservation against his own, and at the cost of the rest of his countrymen’s, well-being. (Urban dictionary.)
progressiveslayer
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 6:42pmWe know obamazombies by their lingo,and the definition of a useless idiot is tifosa.
Report Post »GeneTracy
Posted on November 21, 2011 at 8:02amYou may be correct in assuming they don’t know what they are doing.However,these protesters are sure playing the victim part to the hilt.Support for the protesters seems to be dwindling and they will use any means to garnish the sympathy support.
Report Post »ShamanWorld
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 10:14amOut of all of the most priviledged college students in the great USA, UC Davis(Sacramento area) kids are among the most spoiled and coddled. Not necessarily because they are rich, it’s more the laid-back(if CA is so rich, we deserve free ish) lifestyle they live. College grant money is numerous and community college classes are literally ONLY $90 per class. California in general has a standard of living (even for homeless people) that could be envied; and honestly I don‘ t think they realize how bad most other states’ citizens are living. I grew up in North Sacramento and it is known the most socially diverse group of people; not because of just the different ethnicities, but the ability for these groups to live in harmony. After have lived in NY for the past 7 years, and seeing how much the people are taxed and tolled to death, the thought of forever seems insane. The whole state of NY should be protesting the outrageous property taxes for the way overpriced and old ugly houses. Point is, a lot of people don’t realize how good they have it, and some don’t realize how bad they are being ripped off in their respective home states. Good thing for us, we have options, and we can research and move to states that don’t bleed you dry. As for the protesting, it‘s too bad these kids don’t realize they are being used not to bring down Wall Street, but to bring down our nation at a time of great financial insecurity and global chaos and upheavals.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 10:36am“community college classes are literally ONLY $90 per class”
Cheaper than it is here. $6,150 for full time. Assuming 12 semester hours & 4 classes, that is $ 1537.5 per class
$1537.5 / $90 = 17
California is 17 times cheaper than where I live. They are broke. If the federal government bails Californication out that means you, I & everyone bails their SLOTH a$$es out.
“Money for nothing & the chicks for free”
Report Post »Cavy from VA
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 10:37amShamanworld … BINGO!
TEA!!
Report Post »ShamanWorld
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 11:06am@Walkabout Yes man I feel your pain. 1 community college course in NY state is $600 and the price is rising. Every time I talk to a friend or family member from Sacramento and they complain, I tell them to shut their mouths because these folks are living large in CA. And people from other states cannot be upset with CA, because the federal govt has gotten more funds for the NATION from Cali than any other state.Even with it’s finances in disorder, it is still the agricultural powerhouse of the World, and it still has many natural resources which benefit the population. It is a huge state.
Report Post »sissykatz
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 4:53pmMaybe I missed something……. The students are angry and want the Chancelor to resign
because they were blocking the road and the Police sprayed them???? What they wanted
was for the Police to pick them up and move them????? Why would a policeman take
a chance on hurting his back permanantly by doing that when he could simply spray the
fools that were disobeying and everyone move on…..
They have a right to protest… But they do not have a right to break the law, by blocking the
Report Post »streets. People are crazy.
chips1
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 10:13amI think the police should take the advice of the university and have a three day discussion about the proper way to handle the situation. After three days, the police can return and institute the agreed upon rules. This will also provide many jobs in the construction business to rebuild the totally destroyed campus. Why endanger the police officers health when the Libs refuse to comply with local laws? Give the wierdos what they want and let them suffer.
Report Post »SoupSandwich
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 10:30amStarting to like that. Pull all LEM back and let them destroy their little sand boxes. Sad part is, most dont live where they are protesting, can go back to family estates after a fun weekend of mayhem. No good answer, but perhaps letting the admin and better yet, teachers/professors take the blame for a while for what they support and induce in some places…
Report Post »Stoic one
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 10:13amI will never forget; a few years back, in Israel, a demolition was about to occur. An American ‘protester’ sat many yards in front of a bulldozer. The authorities told her to move, or there would be consequences. She refused to move; the bulldozer ran over her. It was a closed casket funeral.
These people are mimicking the ‘Arab spring’ protests and apparently did not watch the police/military responses. There ARE consequences to actions. When the behind the scenes directors of the protests start the truly violent actions this will become very ugly.
Report Post »Baikonur
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 10:23am@Stoic one
Report Post »Posted on November 20, 2011 at 10:13am
‘a few years back, in Israel, a demolition was about to occur. An American ‘protester’ sat many yards in front of a bulldozer. The authorities told her to move, or there would be consequences. She refused to move; the bulldozer ran over her.’
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A distorted retelling of the Rachel Corrie incident a tragic one. The driver did not see her. In no wat does the Isreali government condone running over protesters with bulldozers. Had they proven that he did so on purpose, he would have gone to jail.
Virgil_Lance
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 6:13pmBAIKONUR is correct regarding Rachel Corey.
Report Post »Tiananmen Square however was a different story.
Commies don’t use pepper spray to make those people move away.
The corpses in those tank treads I thought was rather gory.
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Try an “Occupy China” protest – then you’ll learn!
Now would THAT make Mia Farrow’s stomach churn?
tifosa
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 10:08amOccupyUCDavis fb pg:
Report Post »“Protesters will be engaging civil rights attorneys to pursue legal action against the University and City of Davis for excessive force and for violating their civil and constitutional rights.”
uh, yep.
tjefferson.lives
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 10:11amThey have civil rights but they can’t impede upon others civil rights in the process. They should have simply complied and moved to either side of the road / walkway.
Report Post »Baikonur
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 10:13amGreat!
Report Post »13th Imam
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 10:16amNext time Basher them.
Then the Bloodsuckers can represent them postumously.
Basher Barry Nov 2012
Report Post »Berbel73
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 10:22amGreat these progressive will fill the coursts with frivilous lawsuits wasting even more tax payer money. This is yet another example of why we need tort reform. If these people had to pay the court costs if their suit is thrown out or if they lose the case then you wouldn’t see this kind of nonsense. Progressivism is a weed that needs to be ripped out by the root and never allowed to come up again!
Report Post »SoCaLCapitalist
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 10:30amYou and I knew that was coming. But what would be smart is if cities start suing the SEiU and other groups with money. The chief of the SEIU wanted to block the streets. She was representing the union. Sue the union to make them pay in civil court.
If your a student of UC Davis and the protesters blocked your path slap them with restraining orders and injunctions. Get them as individuals in civil court.
Remember that’s their game a simple majority would rule the decisions, thy use it the police, the cities and us citizens should use it too.
Report Post »SoupSandwich
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 10:44amUC Davis started issuing Depends undergarments along with bibs to those on line waiting for civil vultures/buzzards/lib-speak/representation to assist them in their tantrum with consequenses. Silly trolls can’t be fairies too.
Report Post »GeorgieJo
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 11:48amEverytime I see Princess Peelooski’s face or voice—-MY civil rights are infringed on.
Guess she misses that big airplane that flew her scrawny bones to Rome…..
TEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 12:07pmTifosa
So the right to impede/block access trumps a right for others to travel on public roads & walkways. Your so cute in your sophistry!
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 12:09pmCorrection. You’re not your.
Grammar NAZI tifosa will criticize the grammar, but won’t debate the ideal if you forget to cross one t or dot one i.
Report Post »tjefferson.lives
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 10:07amAll they had to do was get off the road or walkway. No pepper spray, no jail time.
Report Post »OlefromMN
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 10:15amI don’t understand why people can not understand that simple truth. If you are violating a law (blocking traffic or otherwise impeding other’s ability to freely go about their business) and the kind officer asks you to move but you refuse, expect to be sprayed or worse. Officers don’t have the time or the need to play school counselor.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 10:21amEasy for you to say, so damn hard for Tifosa to understand.
He/She had to go to cornell.edu law school for a definition of unreasonable search & seizure.
Report Post »tifosa
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 10:25amThe funniest (guffaw-worthy) part of this is watching theblazers, proponents of SMALL GOVERNMENT, celebrate police state tactics. :^D
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 11:12amtifosa
It is not a police state tactic to disperse a crowd that is blocking exits from a building.
It is not a police state tactic to disperse a crowd that is blocking a road, sidewalk or other thoroughfare.
Some what dear old Tifosa is saying is that if a group blocked access to a rally held by OWS preventing thousands form attending, the police told that group to disperse (quit blocking access, that group refused lawful order, the police use tear gas, pepper spray or batons to disperse them, or arrested them, then the TOTALLY CONSISTENT Tifosa would call that police state tactics.
I bet Tifosa would not.
Report Post »jimbob50
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 10:04amthose police officers have families that they need to come home to. If the fleabaggers had just put their hands behind their back and went to jail like good little posers then there would be no spray. Disable then so our police officers don’t get hurt. Look at Oakland where the police were cut and slashed in the face. Next time nuke em.
Report Post »barber2
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 10:02amIs that Act II waiting in the lawn wings ? Notice they are rehearsing their “duck” and fake….
Report Post »DetritusScreener
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 9:59amThis is an absolutely appropriate to use force using pepper spray. The protesters have failed to respond to verbal commands and demonstrated their intention to physically resist. The use of pepper spray is preferred over physical confrontation for the safety of all parties. There is nothing wrong with how the officer performed his duties. The most important thing is that no one has any permanent injuries due to the smart and safe problem solving of these police officers.
Report Post »Van
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 9:58amIn Egypt there shooting the protesters with rubber bullets! UC Davis protester’s should be thankful their not in Egypt. All this protest stuff is a bunch a ………..!
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 9:58am“The protest was held in support of the Occupy Wall Street movement, … express anger over recent University of California tuition hikes.”
Have the students ever analyzed what they are paying for?
If they agree with every expenditure of the university, then they should agree to the tuition!
Report Post »MORONS!
tifosa
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 9:56amBottom line, their 4th amendment rights appear to have been violated. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/42/1983.shtml
Report Post »blazer809
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 10:02amNo it wasn’t. They can‘t block avenues like I can’t block your driveway.
Report Post »DetritusScreener
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 10:03amNo, your wrong.
Report Post »13th Imam
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 10:10amI may use my fourth amendment right to use the road and drive my Wrangler over my road. These will just be speed bumps. Now we are even. We both got to be stupid.
Report Post »progressiveslayer
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 10:11amNo their rights weren’t violated,did they have a permit for their ‘protest’? You have to have a permit to fart in this country.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 10:12amIf they would have stayed on the grass off the sidewalks or streets, they would have been left alone.
But these children have to BLOCK thoroughfares. They are intentionally provoking. They are also infringing on OTHER PEOPLE’S RIGHTS when they block thorough fares.
I have seen many a hash Wednesday, where people went to the quads & smoked mj. No action was taken. If they had blocked sidewalks or streets, campus & local police would have hailed them away.
Report Post »Berbel73
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 10:17amOnce again a progressive re-interpreting the Constitution as they see fit. Listen child, these people were in the wrong and you know it so grow up and act right already.
Report Post »Stoic one
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 10:19amYour link applies to Washington DC law. How do you connect this to the fourth amendment??
Please educate me.
Report Post »SoupSandwich
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 10:23amAppearances appear to be very deceiving. Nonviolent. Just Cause. 99%. Poop on shoe. Words without appearances should have meaning. Troll la la la la. Look over there, shiny mac books for free at UC Irvine. It appears they need to up the capsasium contents in the can and get larger, more industrial cans. It appears lawful order has no meaning here. It should also be noted that the marking die should be made green insead of the rape orange or thug red. Better to appear green while screaming invectives at the man, oui? Do you have any friends at the vultures/lawyers guild? Get them on that. Green die in the mace appears more earth friendly on cnn and it can mask the green mucus that flows so freely after injesting a lil turn about/mace. Troll la la la la, la la la la.
Report Post »SerikFox
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 12:52pmTheir 4th amendment rights? Amendment 4 is about warrants. I think I understand what you’re saying, but you’re so far off. it’s talking about unreasonable searches and seizures. Big difference: these people defied the police and were breaking the law. You can debate the meaning of the 4th amendment all you want but they arrested people just the same (worse in fact) back when the constitution was written then we do now.
Report Post »Tretka
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 10:26pmTifosa-Cornell really? really? Please use a fair example.
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 9:56amThey’re “launching a probe”?
What type of probe is it and what does the probe launcher look like?
I want my own personal probe launcher…
But seriously, arrest that fat Nazi for doing that to those students. This isn‘t Nazi Germany and those kids ain’t Jews (well, maybe some of them might be, but you get what I’m saying).
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 12:40pmLook at the grown up hall monitors in riot gear harrassing protesting students!
Report Post »progressiveslayer
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 9:55amThey were given a lawful order to disperse and didn’t comply,so they got their first lesson in disobeying a lawful order.
Report Post »barber2
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 10:00amWAAAH…Blame the police ….. Where’s Van Jones ????
Report Post »starman70
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 10:21amIf these “USEFUL IDIOTS” weree in class and not demonstrating, there would have been no need for pepper spray. Instead they were busy making jackasses of themselves.
As far as the “Faculty” wanting the Chancellor to resign, well what else could you expect from a bunch of Communists. Commies make up the majority of the professorships on most every college and university campus in the nation. For them to demand the resignation fo the Chancellor fits right in with the Communist program they eswpouse. Keeping law and order on campus takes a back seat to the people who want to disrupt the education of those who really want one.
Report Post »Mahdi Al-Dajjal
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 9:53amThat wasn’t pepperspray. That was spray to delouse them prior to arrest.
Report Post »Mahdi Al-Dajjal
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 9:51amJust wait until the students find out that it wasn’t pepperspray but instead they police sprayed them with DDT to delouse them prior to arrest. Let the wailing begin.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/delouse
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 9:51amSo, now it’s OK to have a sit in and stop people from exercising their freedoms with absolutely no consequences.
Report Post »OLDBIKEFIXER
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 9:51amThis whole thing was staged! The “pepper spray” was bogus! Nothing but colored water… (am I allowed to say “colored”?)
No pepper spray, no injured protesters, no story.
Wake up!
Report Post »tifosa
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 10:00amYeh, colored water sent two of them to the hospital.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 11:31amtifosa
If a person in a wheel chair needed to use the sidewalk to get to class, the demonstrators would have allowed them to pass?
Is the right of the demonstrators to protest on the sidewalk outweigh the right of a wheelchair bound citizen to use the sidewalk to get to or from class.
I know I can logically back you into a corner on this & I know that you will become flippant & move on. Time for you to break out the grammar book & nitpick.
Report Post »Baikonur
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 9:47amFrom the article: ‘In one instance, a woman pulls her arm back from an officer. In the second instance, a protester curls into a ball. Each of those actions could have warranted more force, including baton strikes and pressure-point techniques.’
Wow! Curling up into a ball is good reason to hit non-violent demonstrators with batons in standard police procedure? Who writes and reviews these procedures?
Report Post »Baikonur
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 9:50amAnd what the heck are ‘pressure-point techniques’? The Vulcan shoulder pinch?
Report Post »barber2
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 9:59amYou are such an apologizer for these idiots. I wish someone had gotten through to you as these kids are just flushing their futures and yours down this anarchistic stupidity called Occupy. Too bad some real straight thinking wasn’t able to OCCUPY their brains… Who are the parents of these kids ?
Report Post »DetritusScreener
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 10:12amIf your going to comment on it maybe you should pick up a PPCT manual and read it first. Better yet go take the course and get certified and you will better understand what PPCT is. You would also be able toidentify the appropriate responses based on the Use of Force Continuum.
Report Post »DetritusScreener
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 10:19amIf your going to comment on it maybe you should pick up a PPCT manual and read it first. Better yet go take the course and get certified and you will better understand what PPCT is. You would also be able to identify the appropriate responses based on the Use of Force Continuum.
Report Post »Get back in school. Don’t use drugs.
tifosa
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 10:50amDetritusScreener, maybe attend the school that you did? Did you miss the class on the difference between “your” and “you’re?” Condescension doesn’t become you.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 11:22amtifosa
Ah gee tifosa someone misused your for you’re or the other way around.
Spellchecker won’t catch that.
People are in such a hurry to post that they don’t spell check. If you don’t post in about 5 to 15 minutes the conversation moves on. So people give a cursory glance & post.
OMG they didn‘t proofread without a mistake or didn’t proofread at all, but tifosa has to assume that they are illiterate hicks. That is so expected of you to use that argument.
It is so becoming of your community (so typical).
***** Why don’t you debate the ideal & not the grammar. *****
Report Post »justafollower
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 12:32pmTho DetritusScreener may be condescending, he’s absolutely correct! People see this on the news and they just talk out of their a$$es rather than ask questions, consult books, or commit to research…
It keeps getting said that the whole world is being flipped upside down. It’s true. People need to become educated on the “original argument” (to borrow from GB) that originally brought the colonies together as the United States. I’m not even saying everyone has to agree on it. But, they should know what it is. But nope…. we’re stuck with a larger and larger population of uneducated ppl.
I say it needs to be done by fixing the education system.
Report Post »hightide
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 9:44amThey were told to leave. Follow the rules of law, or we have no law.
Report Post »barber2
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 9:51amThe Occupiers are bullies and anarchists: they think they can just force their way to accomplish what ? fight greed? ( They really want to bring down our capitalist system. but that wouldn’t sound too good to actually say out loud !) So they make up BS Lies like “99%.” Too bad they aren’t honest enough to shout what they really intend: to bring down our system, and our government ( with Obama declaring “martial law?” ) Stay tuned….think Mr. Mileage Plus/ World Traveler is now back in the country .
Report Post »barber2
Posted on November 20, 2011 at 9:43amWith all of the little Michael Moore Media nuts in the Occupy Group, I expect this was a photo-shoot/ creative medley of snippets. ( These little video folks are just so “ like” Hollywood. ) With all of the taunting these policemen have had to endure from these mannerless brats, I’m surprised that there has been so much civility on the part of the police. Spoiled, ill-mannered, clueless , narcissistic juveniles…
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