UK Man Collapses in Hospital & Dies After Nurses Ignore Him for 10 Hrs.
- Posted on June 9, 2011 at 12:02pm by
Jonathon M. Seidl
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When 41-year-old Peter Thompson arrived in a UK hospital after having a concoction of alcohol and drugs, it’s reasonable to expect that he would have bene treated. He wasn’t. Instead, he collapsed on the floor, just 200 yards from the emergency center. And there he lay, for 10 hours, as nurses stepped around him dismissing him as a mere drunk. He died because of the inaction.
But adding to the horror is how Thompson’s body was treated after he died — he was dragged through the hall like “a dead animal,” his family said.
The Daily Mail reports:
The scenes which shame the NHS were all captured on CCTV. Staff thought Mr Thompson was merely drunk and left him to ‘sleep it off’.
Yesterday a coroner condemned the death as ‘wholly preventable’.
An inquest heard that the father-of-one, who had consumed a cocktail of drink and drugs, could have been saved had he received emergency treatment.
The hospital’s accident and emergency department was just 200 yards away.
Last night it emerged that three nurses face a disciplinary inquiry over their inaction.
The incident happened at the Manchester Royal Infirmary in April last year where Thompson was a voluntary patient for drug and alcohol programs. When he showed up he had a bottle of Vodka that he refused to surrender. Nurses decided to let him “sleep it off.”
The hospital and the family have reached a settlement in the case.
“It seems to me undeniable that the jury came to a conclusion the death was wholly preventable,” a local coroner said during an investigation into the matter.
Britain uses a socialized medicine model run by an organization called the NHS.
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Comments (193)
starman70
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 12:23pmThe Brits have had their version of Obamacare for years. This is a really good view into the healthcate we can expect from government health.
Remember the 13 year old English girl, who was taken by her parents to the local clinic numerous times for severe pain in her leg. Her parents were told that she was only suffering “Growing pains”. Only after her leg broke was she sent to an Orthopaedic doctor, who determined that she had a fast growing BONE CANCER. The parents were told that if she had been properly diagnosed when she started hurting, the cancer was FULLY CUREABLE. As a result of the delay, She had to have her leg amputated above the knee. This is a tragic story but it is what we can all expect when obamacare is fully instituted.
GET ON THE BANDWAGON, NOW! DEMAND THAT OBAMACARE BE REPEALED IN FULL.
Report Post »integrican
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 1:39pmStarman, I am already on the ‘band wagon,’ as a matter of fact, I’m whipping the horses!!!
Report Post »SheriS
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 12:23pmUnfortunately, this could be happening in our own country thanks to Obamacare! ER’s are still being inundated with those who have chosen not to get Health Insurance because they prefer to depend on the rest of us to pay their bills! Obamacare hasn’t changed much except to force insurance companies to raise their rates and many Doctors to opt out of Obamacare and Medicare so if you want to keep your Doctor who made such a decision, you pay for service at the time or find another Doctor! Obamacare is creating what many of us predicted–a really flawed system created by Obama!
Report Post »teddrunk
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 12:21pmPeople would be rightly upset, if a dog got this type of medical treatment. Yet soon, thanks to Obamacare, it’ll be coming to a hospital near you. We used to think only grandma & grandpa were going to get this treatment, but people as young as 41 will too.
Report Post »Coralchristie
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 12:19pmWelcome to the future in America!
Report Post »BurntHills
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 12:19pmthere’s obamacare, coming soon to American hospitals near you.
but also, that looks more like a street scene in Detroit or Mogadishu, doesn’t it.
Report Post »JGraham III
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 12:17pmTime to revise the Hippocratic Oath to be the hypocritic oath…
Report Post »mcFirst
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 12:16pmWhen is the last time you washed your rental car. Here you have a system nobody owns, and you have the same affect.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 1:05pmVery good analogy
Report Post »Nick Pable with Buckshot
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 12:15pmCome on Blaze – please. A drunk is left to sleep it off because no-one realised he’d taken drugs. OK, sad but it could happen anywhere. Why have you published this? So that all the Blazers can come in and spout off about Obama’s healthcare reform.
Report Post »“Britain uses a socialized medicine model run by an organization called the NHS” Yes it’s called the National Health Service and it provides treatment to those who need it free at the point of delivery and has done for over 60 years. If you want private healthcare in the UK of course you can have it – many people do, but this story is just a typical attempt to smear the National Health Service and let all the bigots spew their bile. As usual – wind them up and see them go. Cut and paste insults awaited.
Vickie Dhaene
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 12:23pmHe was on Hospital grounds. If I smoke a cigarette within 200 feet of the hospital, security comes and tells me I can’t and asks me to leave.
Report Post »Bob_R_OathKeeper
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 12:32pmI bet they posted this to see who would be the first idiot to condone and defend this pathetic behavior and guess what? It’s an un-American liberal who doesn’t see anything wrong here, thanks for pointing yourself out like a good socialist dolt.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 1:01pmNo insults needed Nick,
You libs embarrass yourselves far better than we could ever hope to.
Report Post »Dustoff
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 1:57pmNick…. you work EMS?
Report Post »We don’t leave you on the ground. Most of all if your drunk. You see you if throw-up (happens manytimes) and if you do it can go into your lungs and you die.
I could explain even more, but that gives you enough to work with
dpselfe
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 12:14pmSee, if that had been “Pedro Gomez”……….CNN would have picked it up as being a racist thing. This guy……..just some poor white drunk. No one cares……….
I care……..
Report Post »UlyssesP
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 2:48pmSpot on amigo!
Report Post »fitsgibbons
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 12:14pmIts happening in America, also. Been waiting for surgery for over 10 months. Can’t work..going bankrupt thanks to our healthcare system, been insured for years…I thought.
Report Post »Dustoff
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 1:54pmSo what is wrong with you? It doesn’t appear to be life threatening.
Report Post »Zorro6821
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 9:00pmThe largest segment of personal bankruptcies is due to medical expenses, and for the most part 80% had insurance. What a great system we have.
Report Post »Bill Wallace
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 12:11pmAnyone who thinks this won’t happen here with socialized medicine is an ignorant fool.
I grew up in Canada and can tell you of the problems they face. Oh ya, their costs continue to rise as well, and they are a 2nd tier system (at best).
Report Post »Zorro6821
Posted on June 10, 2011 at 9:38amExactly what do you mean by 2nd tier system? What a stupid made up term. You have no facts. I do, Canada has a longer mortality rate than the USA , Canada has a infant mortality rate far below the US. The medical outcomes as a whole surpass the US by a large Margin. The list goes on. Canada does not have Obama Care. They have a single payer system, that is not free. Everybody pays into the system, like Medicare. Obamacare is no where near socialized healthcare. Obamacare is forced payment to the Insurance Monopoly. Only the ignorant ill informed equate the two. Get your facts before you post stupidity. I really would like to know how many posters actually pay their own premiums. I bet less than 1%. If you were paying 12k a year you may want solutions, not just stupid slogans.
Report Post »Vickie Dhaene
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 12:10pmOOPS, Make it voluntary manslaughter.
Report Post »Vickie Dhaene
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 12:09pmCharge all of them with involuntary manslaughter. This is humanely wrong !!!! GOD PLEASE HELP US.
Report Post »hayesstephen
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 12:27pmObumma is elected by people who are insane. Liberalism is a mental desease, don’t laugh, its true. What can we expect from leaders who are insane, elected by the insane? The patients are running the aslyum, thing are not going to get any better any time soon. As with John Kennedy, any President who do not follow directions will be killed. The President has handlers, advisors,extremely powerful supporters with expectation of being paid back for all their money and support, and will kill anyone who does not stay between the lines. Obumma said when he’s president he would get us out of Afganistan, Iraq. Well Mr. obumma bring our troops home, I dire you, I double dog dire you!!! Oh my obumma is a puppet and he takes as many vacations as Clinton and Bush did. What a nothing this man is, a puppet, a dupe, a fool, a useful fool.
Report Post »Zorro6821
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 8:49pmHow about just telling people that is you drink, do drugs, etc. there are consequenses. Now everybody wants the government to be the Nanny for your stupidity. Hospitals are not drunk tanks.
Report Post »biohazard23
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 12:08pmPreventable death coming to a town near you thanks to Obamacare.
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 12:08pmThis is what Obamacare will ultimately look like/
Americans stand up and tell Congress that this is NOT what we want. We want the world’s BEST health care system to continue. Tell them we want TORT REFORM and want it now — no more John Edwards style ambulance chasers making a mockery of both the medical and judicial systems.
Report Post »Vickie Dhaene
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 12:11pmExactly
Report Post »Zorro6821
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 8:44pmOh please “the world best healthcare”. What a bunch of bunk. We have the world’s most expensive with outcomes just above Cuba on the WHO website. We don’t even rate in the top 20 nations. We are in the third world category. What a bunch of sheep, you all say the same Bahhh Bahhh. Very few offer up real facts and solutions. What have we become. America has the world best for the Uber Rich, but for the common folks it‘s all HMO’s, PPO’s, Medicaid, VA etc. So stop with the chest beating and face the fact that we have a real problem, Wait till the Medicare goes broke and you all will be crying like babies, don’t touch my socialized medicare, or socialized medicaid, or socialized Veterans, or socialized Congressional care. Seems like 70% of our care is already socialized.
Report Post »RightPolitically
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 12:08pmComing to a hospital near you!
Report Post »I.Gaspar
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 12:07pmThis is what we’ll get with obamacare…and a lot worse.
Report Post »yougottabekidding
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 12:07pmThe future of Obama care!
Report Post »Sound The Trumpet In Zion
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 12:07pm“Britain uses a socialized medicine model run by an organization called the NHS”
Report Post »Ah that good old dependable socialized medicine that obama likes so well.
Uncurable wound
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 12:07pmWhat have we become?
Report Post »and JESUS wept…
SREGN
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 12:07pmObamacare.
Report Post »drattastic
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 12:06pmA glimpse into the future of obamacare .
Report Post »mikenleeds
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 12:06pmKing Obama care coming to America
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 11:08pmThe same thing happened in an emergency waiting room here not too long ago when a woman was dying on the floor and was ignored for over an hour.
Report Post »TRONINTHEMORNING
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 12:05pmAh the precursors to Obamacare.
Report Post »cessna152
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 12:22pmGood thing we still have the 2nd amendment because i am ready to shoot myself ( SARCASM)
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 12:51pmIndeed, the UK is attempting to dismantle their health care system, and we are implementing the suicidal pact with the devil himself here in America.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 2:02pmMay the 26 states prevail and save us from unconstitutional Obamacare!
TEA!
Report Post »Ironeagle
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 12:05pmThis is Obamacare circa 2020
Report Post »Ironmaan
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 12:14pmGotta love that European health care. Dental care not a big priorty there either.
Report Post »http://guerillatics.com
cessna152
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 12:20pmGovernment run ANYTHING sucks!! So people (Progressives) you want postal/DMV workers taking care of you? Yes… the government knows best…
Report Post »fastfacts
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 12:21pmThis is ObamaCare… sooner than that. Remember how fast the stimulus fell. This won’t take that long and then we will be stuck, that is unless we get a new President in the White House. Any Presidential Candidate right now will be way better than Obama, we just need to get him out. This is his economy, this is his failed health care system, this is Obama’s disaster. http://tiny.cc/q3gwk Obama can’t get away from it now, even the Dems are starting to admit it.
Report Post »SlimnRanger
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 12:21pmThats exactly my thoughts as well Ironeagle
Report Post »biohazard23
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 12:22pmIronmaan, ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!!!
Report Post »LetUsReason
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 12:25pmHe was clearly drunk, and the article says that he had a bottle of vodka that he refused to give up. How many of us would have let him “sleep it off” too? Probably me. As for the dragging of his dead body, that’s a different story.
Report Post »enduro
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 12:25pmhows socialized healthcare working out for you?
Report Post »LetUsReason
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 12:30pmWow, listen to all of you. Everyone on here except for the liberal trolls agrees that Obamacare is awful and socialized medicine is not the way to go. We’ve known that for a long time. But come on people. How many drunks and homeless die on the streets everyday in America, and I don’t see any of you rushing them off to the ER before that happens. Let’s be level-headed here and own up to the reality of what this story is about. Its purpose is to get us angry about socialism….fine. But I’m sorry friends, this would have happened in a capitalist country too. We just probably wouldn’t have dragged him afterwards.
Report Post »Professional Infidel
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 12:35pmKind of like junkies and an overdosed “friend” except they wouldn’t even take him and drop him off on the steps!! Perhaps victim was “not there kind”
Report Post »hauschild
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 12:38pmThe thing is, loser progressives/liberals will gladly accept the trade-off in order to get free health care (even if they’re too stupid to realize they and many others are paying dearly for it.). To them, so what if it isn’t top-notch, it’s good enough [for who it's for].
It’s this loser mentality that always been present in maybe 20% of the American population that is now probably exceeding 40%. When numbers get this high, it’s really difficult to beat. And, the percentage is only going to grow as the years progress. America’s collapse from within is inevitable. It’s only a question of when.
Report Post »cessna152
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 12:39pmLetUsReason
Because of Socialism, it is ILLEGAL to help the homeless and drunks that are dying on the streets. Socialism SUCKS!
Report Post »bullcrapbuster
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 12:42pmWell I guess if a person has no regard for their own health then it becomes the hapless taxpayers responsibility.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 12:42pm@Ironmann:
Indeed, this is the future under the Obamacare nightmare system. Europe and so many other of the socialist nations who have such a healthcare come here for the best care in the world; and we are letting the administration destroy it unless this health care pact with the devil is overturned and then dismantled completely.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 12:45pmLord Above, at this time we ask for you who is above all, and able to do all, to provide a healing hand to the spirit and mind of this mans families who are going through this trial. Lessen their grief, and let the good memories of their loved one predominate in their lives; let the lessons of this spread across the land and world like waves of goodness, bringing positive change to all areas, and the spirit of the caloussness shown for him at the end be eradicated for compassion of others to show and grow to a new level of greatness.
Report Post »nomorpc4me
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 12:49pmObamacare will soon be offering UK style healthcare at your corner medical clinic. Good luck getting an appointment or being seen.
Report Post »starman70
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 12:51pm@ LETUSREASON:
As a 40+ year worker with EMS, we answer numerous calls in our county of slightly over 150,000 perple when cops and just plain citizens find aqn request help for people like him. As a matter of fact, while he was conscious, he had the right to refuse treatment. But just as soon as he passed out, he should have been assessed and treated. The contents of his stomach analized and appropriate measures taken.
Socialized medicine, or socialized anything else for that matter, hasn’t, doesn’t and will never work.
Report Post »Berbel73
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 12:56pm@letusreason, I don‘t know what part of the country that you’re from but I know in my heart that he would not have been ignored here where I live in PA. I would not just ignore a person who appeared to be in distress, and I know that there are a lot of other caring individuals here that would also offer their assistance. What you are claiming I believe in my opinion is more prevalent in larger cities where people have become desensitized to the plight of their neighbors. This is exactly what Glenn has been talking about, and we need to start looking out of each other and reaching out rather than turning a blind eye. I am my brothers keeper!
Report Post »Dustyluv
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 1:07pmThinning of the herd..
Report Post »SavingtheRepublic.com
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 1:28pmComing to a hospital near you when OCare starts up. Reports already out about drug shortages etc
Report Post »integrican
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 1:31pm@Letusreason who said: But I’m sorry friends, this would have happened in a capitalist country too. We just probably wouldn’t have dragged him.
Wow, I am glad I don’t live where you live. Where I live, this man, even if he was homeless and passed out on the curb of some back street, would have been attended to by either a everyday citizen or a professional. If he were found on the floor of a hospital he would have received immediate attention. You see, here we don’t let people sleep on the floor in a hospital and if someone, homeless or not, if found passed out on the street would be taken to one of three places, jail,the hospital,or a homeless shelter. NEVER would he be ignored, NEVER.
Report Post »silentwatcher
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 1:35pmI will have to remember that if I think I will be ignored by hospital staff then I’d better not take drugs and drink alcohol.
Report Post »Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 1:41pmAre they used to stepping around drunks in or around the hospital? This is the Health Care System that the Left so admires and envies?
Report Post »TexasCommonSense
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 1:44pmCome on, liberal trolls. Defend this big-government atrocity.
Report Post »Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 1:45pmI know the three judge appeals court was supposed to hear ObamaCare arguments today. I wonder if they ruled anything yet?
Report Post »Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 1:50pm@HAUSCHILD
Report Post »I said pretty much the same thing about the morals of the nation, yesterday. The left has been chipping away at our morals and it’s been getting lower with each generation. When it reaches a certain point, when more people have no morals than do, then America is done for.
LetUsReason
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 1:52pmSome people are thinking my post showed me in favor of socialism. That’s not the case. I am not in favor of it at all. Cheering on socialized medicine is clearly not my point on this post.
While we all would like to think that we’d put this man on our shoulders and carry him into our homes for a warm shower and chicken noodle soup, I am afraid I’m going to have to call your bluffs. Would I show concern? Yes, if he was conscious I would see if he needed help. If unconscious, I can’t say that I would bend over and take his pulse. But I am under the impression from the story (and I could be wrong) that the man was conscious to begin with and refused help. They tried to take his alcohol from him and were met with opposition. The next thing they know, he’s passed out. Are you seriously going to tell me, Blazers, that you are going rush every unconscious drunk to the ER that you run across in the night?? It is extremely unfortunate that this man died, but the story seems sensational and everyone is chattering away about how their own heroic, good Samaritan-esque deeds would have saved the day had they been walking by that night. I hope you’re right.
Report Post »BSdetector
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 2:18pmI have to agree with LetUsReason. The guy somehow got to the hospital after drinking and drugging, refused any help, and bit it. While this is Socialized healthcare at its finest(I.E. no healthcare), I can’t shed a tear for this guy.
Report Post »grandmaof5
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 2:37pmThink we will have to wait that long? With the influx of illegals jamming the system I suspect we will see this kind of horror more quickly if Obama care isn’t over turned.
Report Post »KickinBack
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 2:41pmWhere are our buddy libbys on this site? I’m looking for them to defend national health care…hmm.
Report Post »cemerius
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 2:48pmGod help us!!!
Report Post »hud
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 2:50pmHey, if you can’t hang for more than 10, yo better off dying
Report Post »Klibb
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 3:02pmComing to a hospital near you.
Report Post »jzs
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 3:35pmFunny how how the responses blame European health care. Couldn’t happen in the US! Well, let’s google that:
New York, 2008: http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local&id=6237821
San Antonio, Feb. 2011:http://jonathanturley.org/2011/02/14/man-reportedly-dies-after-being-left-16-hours-in-texas-emergency-room-without-care/
Philidelphia, 2009: Man dies waiting in ER AND he’s robbed: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/uk-man-collapses-in-hospital-dies-after-nurses-ignore-him-for-10-hrs/#respond
I found tons of these with a single google: person dies in US waiting room. Try it yourself kids!
Of course, if you really want to know what a hospital stay in the US is like, go youtube and search “Glenn Beck Hospital.”
Report Post »TXMD
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 3:55pmWelcome to socialized medicine. We’ve been harping on this for years – and years. Now, unless all of us and some of our judicial knights grow a set of ******, we are finished.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 6:03pm@JZS
And your point is ?
I don’t see a lot of folks here saying it could not happen here. Every system has it’s problems.
But your answer seems to be, Lets blow it up and make it worse. Lets make our system as bad as all the rest of them.
Our health care before Obama was the best in the world, bar none, even with it’s warts.
If it is not repealed, it will be the envy of none.
Now let’s see you try and use your VA example again to bolster your argument.
So you are a Young Turks fan huh?
Report Post »JRook
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 6:14pmHow surprising that such a story would immediate be used as a negative statement against national health care. Check the malpractice figures and dollars paid for malpractice in the US vs. any other country. And yes some of those are the result of delays in care.
Report Post »BelieveFreedom
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 7:02pmNewest, latest, and greatest healthcare coming to a hospital near you. How many deaths occur because of this type of system? This event was captured on camera, how many are not? Whats the real number?
Report Post »avenger
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 7:22pmnope circa 2015…unless we kill this abortion now !
Report Post »nzkiwi
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 7:45pmI’ll say it:
A “cocktail of alcohol and drugs” makes him the archetect of his own misfortune. While it would have been nice if he were saved, no-one has the right to expect taxpayers and nurses to protect them from their own stupidity.
Report Post »Zorro6821
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 8:26pmGee isn’t this just like what happened in A NY hospital last year. The lady died while waiting to be seen. The nurses and orderlies just walked by her body for 3 hours. What a small world. I think this kind of stuff happens all the time in the USA. I am no supporter of Obamacare which by no means is socialized
Report Post »medicine, but I do like to point out everytime the Beckster does his attack on Canada, UK. The Bekster is a schill for the corporate Monopoly Healthcare Machine. Hey Beck, how about critisizing Israel’s socialized medicine when you are over there or France, Belgium, Germany, Japan, etc. You always seem to pick on the Brits and the Canucks. Try to not be so obvious, it is getting old. We need some sort of healthcare overhaul to bring down costs. Obamacare is not the solution. The healthcare costs are bleeding us to death. Focus on our broken system and come up with solutions. It is easy to critisize when you have no solutions Beck.
tompaineknowsthescore
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 8:47pmBritain second best healthcare in the developed world USA has the worst
http://www.commonwealthfund.org/~/media/Files/Publications/Fund%20Report/2010/Jun/1400_Davis_Mirror_Mirror_on_the_wall_2010.pdf
Report Post »jzs
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 11:12pmHey Billy, hope you’re okay. The website didn‘t post my last my last post where I admitted the many words I leave out and that my grammar is sometimes horrible and that I’m often appalled the times when I reread my posts. And I thanked you for the PITA acronym.
Anyway, my point? It was neither left nor right. It was that it’s irrational to take a single example of someone dying in the UK in an emergency room, and concluding that that single “data point” is representative of an entire system of health care. And don‘t say every poster here didn’t pile onto that single data points because they did. So I gave a examples of that happening in the US and could have given many more.
My real point? Single examples don’t prove anything. In fact, the examples that make the news tend to not be, in statistical language, representative but rather they tend to be “outliers.” Things way outside the norm. That‘s why they’re interesting.
Outliers that justify a person’s predjudices are particularly appealing, especially on this website.
My other point? That the education system so poorly teaches American children how to evaluate things they see and hear.
Report Post »jzs
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 11:58pmIf this website will allow, I’ll post another reply. The Young Turks? I don’t like that guy at all. Maybe he appeals to some fraction of liberal audiences, but he sound like a pretentious idiot to me. Lawrence O’ Donnell? I don‘t have cable but I don’t watch his youtube videos. He‘s abrasive and doesn’t represent liberal positions well at all, although he has some experience and brains. Ed? Don’t like him, and think he’s an idiot frankly. Those people are all bad for the liberal cause in my opinion.
Report Post »nzkiwi
Posted on June 10, 2011 at 4:26amGood grief, I have agreed with JZS twice in one night (second to last post).
Seriously though, that was a good and sensible post.
Report Post »Mustangrider
Posted on June 11, 2011 at 7:48pmactually I think the moral of this story is don’t drink and do drugs dumb ass
Report Post »Mustangrider
Posted on June 11, 2011 at 7:53pmeagle I’m not sure this has anything to do with the O, the moral of this story is more like, “don’t drink and do drugs numb nuts”
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Posted on June 12, 2011 at 12:40amWhile I see many taking this as an opportunity to bash Obama care, or the european health care system. This is what we as Americans will have to be willing to do, if we wanted to legalize drugs. This person put himself in this position by overdosing on drugs and alcohol, and the “State” is supposed to bail him out. Sorry, he made a bad choice and died because of it. No different than drinking and then driving. I lost two friends to drunk driving, and I still feel no remorse for them. I do however, for their families who had to pick up the pieces of their shatter lives.
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