Understanding Egypt: What Is a Caliphate?
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Editor’s note: The Blaze is featuring some guest posts to help our readers gain a deeper understanding of the situation in Egypt. This post, by veteran journalist Bill Tucker, looks at the meaning of the term “caliphate”.
Caliphate.
Sometimes a word, like a faded Hollywood starlet, makes a surprising return to the spotlight … and so it is for caliphate. The word owes its renewed popularity to Glenn Beck, who first raised the possibility of a new caliphate on his Fox television show. Suddenly, the word went from relative obscurity to become one of Google’s most searched words, as revolution erupted in Egypt and the world began to wonder what would emerge from the anger in Egypt’s streets.
One possibility is … a caliphate.
Simply, a caliphate is a form of government. More precisely, it is an Islamic state that draws its authority from, and is based upon, Sharia law. Get used to hearing the word; it is the form of government advocated by the Muslim Brotherhood.
What exactly a caliphate looks like depends on whether you are a Sunni or a Shia Muslim. Sunnis believe a caliphate should be a constitutional republic, whose leaders are elected by Muslims. Shias believe the head of state is divinely chosen via a lineage of religious clerics called Imams. Within Egypt, Sunnis outnumber Shias.
Those who dismiss the idea of a caliphate in Egypt are discounting the country’s history. Egypt is hardly a stranger to such a form of government; it was part of the Ottoman Empire from the early 16th century until in the late 19th century. The Ottoman Empire was the last great caliphate. It didn’t transition to a secular government model until 1924.
With almost four hundred years of history as a caliphate, it’s not surprising then that Egypt’s penal code is written and based upon Islamic law. Perhaps this is to be expected in a country where an estimated 90% of the people are Muslim. What is surprising is that Egypt’s government is, or at least has been, a secular model. But will it remain so?
Given the country’s history and the religion of the overwhelming majority of its people, the stage may be set for the return of a caliphate, rising out of the present turmoil. And what that means to you probably depends on who you are. A caliphate may sound fine if you are Muslim. It might chaff a little if you’re not. Christians and Jews were treated as second-class citizens under the Ottoman Empire. Certainly to the American mind, raised to believe in the “wall of separation between church and state” as articulated by Thomas Jefferson, a caliphate is an anathema.
If the possibility of a caliphate in Egypt sounds improbable, consider these facts: Egypt’s current government is in collapse, the largest and most organized opposition, the Muslim Brotherhood, champions Islamic law and Egypt was once part of a caliphate.
It never works out well to ignore history or facts. The dramatic changes in Egypt cannot be denied nor can the implications for the entire region. An improbable word has made a comeback. The government it represents might not be so far behind.
To see Bill Tucker’s bio click here.
For an examination of Caliphate in a detailed historical context…see Joel Richardson’s post here.
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Comments (148)
ThatchWeave
Posted on February 6, 2011 at 11:19pmAnyone guess what the next trigger or crisis may be that we face? As the World looks to the Middle East, what is happening in the Southern Hemisphere with Venezuela and Hugo Chávez. What is the ultimate purpose of its military build-up and alliances with Iran and NC?
Report Post »Robert09
Posted on February 7, 2011 at 10:13amthe next crisis will probably come from our southern border.
Report Post »wildman
Posted on February 6, 2011 at 11:18pmIs it true or false that Islam believes that the coming savior will be conceived by a male and that is why every male disciple of Muslim checks his stool or fecal matter with his left hand for the promised one (the right hand is used for eating because it is undefiled)? Is this also the reason that the left hand is cut off for the first offense of stealing and therefore the right hand becomes defiled in touching the stool and feces in searching for the Muslim deliverer?
Report Post »David Foxfire
Posted on February 6, 2011 at 11:03pmThis might surprise some people, but a Muslim would read the United States Constitution and would think that this is an example of what a Sunni-style constitutional republic-type Caliphate run by Christians. Christianity, of course, being the prevailing religion of America at the time it’s written. The main difference would be the rules being used to construct the republic and the preferance of Jesus Christ over Mohammad Peace-Be-Upon-Him. (What a strange last name for a prophet.)
Please not that the main problem that we all have when it comes to Caliphates isn’t the format of the government, but the laws being used and/or the group running the government. There‘s a joke that there’s only one human rights violation with Sharia Law; the fact that it exists. And there’s plenty of examples here in America about what would happen when religious leaders start running things: Witch Trials, Book Burnings, Clearwater Florida, I can go on.
I’m hoping for a better Egypt to come to this, where they end up with a decent government that doesn‘t degrade into what you’d find in Iran, or worse.
Report Post »Deutscher
Posted on February 6, 2011 at 11:13pmYes. This word has an extreme connotation. It is more about who is in charge, how they rule, and what law is used, IMHO. It is being used to stoke fear. I think it’s good when anything raises awareness, but there needs to be some future education.
Report Post »I think everyone would say Islamist run government that covered the mid east and N Africa is a frightening proposition. But we are no where near that happening. And I doubt it ever would.
AmeriCat
Posted on February 6, 2011 at 11:37pmIndeed! I have read that the American form of government with its Constitution is perfect for Sharia Law, whereby Sharia quietly becomes accepted within the framework of all our freedoms.
Once embedded, given the tolerance and PC of Americans today,
Report Post »the domain of Sharia Law can easily expand.
Sparky101
Posted on February 8, 2011 at 9:41pmDeutscher, yet another clairvoyant. He says “It is being used to stoke fear.” And he says it with as much positivity as only a globe gazer can muster. Truth is Deutscher, you don’t know. However, your bigotry causes a synapse to fire like deja vu, and viola, you think you know something no one can divine. Amazing. You should keep those “senior moments” to your self, and be more honest with others. You could benefit from using words like “it appears,“ or ”I think,” etc. But then you get the idea – yes?
Report Post »MrButcher
Posted on February 6, 2011 at 11:01pmthis is a great subject.
I’m glad to see another word (and its surrounding concepts) reinterduced to the dull American internet lexicon.
research, analyze and rationalize away….
All religious “Caliphates” are the enemy of republicanism and free societies….
but please don’t limit your research to Islam on this matter….
I’ll leave it at that.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on February 6, 2011 at 11:00pmMy God, Becky just can not admit that he was wrong. Lets see we the Weekly Standard coming out against Becky and his looney conspiracy theories. I guess its time to call the nice men with a straight jacket to take Becky away.
GeauxAlready
Posted on February 6, 2011 at 10:54pm.
What Is a Caliphate? I really don’t know, but you can bet your sweet azz it won’t wash off with soap.
This is as messed up as a goat humping camel.
Report Post »Blazing patriot
Posted on February 6, 2011 at 11:08pm@GeauxAlready:
You ask the question, “What is a caliphate”?
Report Post »If you missed the answer, refer back to the above story at the beginning of this thread.
Ironmaan
Posted on February 6, 2011 at 10:53pmNo more bacon, or christmas ham or barb-b-q ribs. Territble, terrible.
Report Post »http://guerillatics.com
AmeriCat
Posted on February 6, 2011 at 10:51pmHow can gays be supportive of Obama and his outreach to the Muslim world,
Report Post »when the Muslim leaders openly confirm
the non-existence of a gay population in their countries
….because they are executed! ?
cheezwhiz
Posted on February 6, 2011 at 10:57pmNo no no no nooooo…..you don’t understand.
Report Post »The sharia which muslims want in USA will be the good sharia, the tolerant democratic peaceful sharia.
That was the old sharia which hanged gays in Iran last month, and stoned a couple in Afghanistan last week and flogged a man in Saudi Arabia 2 weeks ago.
The sharia in USA will be new and improved
docgreen
Posted on February 6, 2011 at 11:11pmYou statement is wise, to bad they don’t!
Report Post »neverending
Posted on February 6, 2011 at 10:47pmbarry being elected opened the door to all of this because it is so obvious he is one of them. All of this does not happen by happenstance. We are in very dangerous times and I fear many Americans choose to put their head in the sand and not face up to it.
Report Post »Deutscher
Posted on February 6, 2011 at 10:58pmNo things don’t happen by happenstance. In the case of Egypt widespread poverty and rising food prices helped by the advent of social media and the recent uprising in Tunesia gave rise to protests.
Report Post »AmeriCat
Posted on February 6, 2011 at 11:53pm?Blaming the uprising on rising food prices, eh….try Federal Reserve Qe2!
You think it is NOT a factor? Sand is in your eyes! The Feds et.al. have already had a global impact.
Report Post »oldguy49
Posted on February 6, 2011 at 10:45pmand don’t think they are not going to try here……..they just caught a radical imman trying to cross from mexico in the last few days…….thats the one they caught…….keep your powder dry and your hearts strong …….G.G.C. {god guns country}
Report Post »AmeriCat
Posted on February 6, 2011 at 10:44pmThank you for posting Mr. Tucker’s, “Understanding Egypt: What is a Caliphate?
He mentions that the Egyptian penal code is based on Sharia Law.
Report Post »At some point, I hope someone discusses in detail the punishments that are rendered under Sharia Law.
ltb
Posted on February 6, 2011 at 10:39pmOver the weekend, I watch a documentary called “Islam: What the West Needs to Know.” It’s not the best made documentary I’ve ever seen, but it contains great interviews with people (e.g., Walid Shoebat, a former PLO Terrorist who got saved and is now a Christian) about the demonic nature of Islam.
In a nutshell, the documentary backs up the claim that Muslims who are not killing infidels (i.e., you and me) are either ignorant about the demands of their demon god (i.e., jihad must be waged until everyone on earth worships allah), or they are engaged in a hudna (i.e., a false peace that allows Muslims to grow in numbers so they can overcome infidels). One other tactic used by Muslims is Al-taqiyya, which is when a Muslim ingratiates himself to infidels, by lying, so he can defeat them (e.g., a Muslim can lie about being a Christian to gain the trust of infidels). When Muslim clerics say Islam is a peaceful religion, what they mean is that when the goals of Islam are achieved (i.e., when everyone in the world is under Sharia law), then there will be peace on earth. Watch the documentary.
http://www.amazon.com/Islam-What-West-Needs-Know/dp/B000PE0GQO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1297049841&sr=8-1
Report Post »encinom
Posted on February 6, 2011 at 11:12pmThat was more a work of fiction than a documentary. It was not a work of scholarship, but of paranoia suitable for the tin foil hat crowd.
MrButcher
Posted on February 6, 2011 at 11:13pmall religion is, if you will, “demonic”, evil and backwards.
it preys on ignorance and fear.
Islamism can not be defeated. It can only be discredited and its peripheral, fair-weather followers enlightened to more open-minded points of view.
But in order to do so you must never argue nor debate as a “believer” in anything other than facts.
The Arab/Islamic world is envious of the West and its liberalism, its advances and its freedoms too.
Keep this in mind:
Never fight superstition with superstition.
I hope these sentiments move someones mind…
cheers,
Report Post »MrButcher
Showtime
Posted on February 6, 2011 at 11:26pmMr. Tucker, you have to overlook Encinom.
Report Post »MrButcher
Posted on February 6, 2011 at 11:39pm@showtime
and you have both overlooked my name and Encinom’s and my time of posting..
we rang the same bell
who rang it better?
cheers
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on February 6, 2011 at 11:46pm@MrButcher –
Yours was not up when I said what I did, and Encinom’s was addressed to Mr. Tucker.
I wasn’t listening for bells. :-)
Report Post »MrButcher
Posted on February 7, 2011 at 12:19amtouche
Report Post »ltb
Posted on February 7, 2011 at 9:43amMrButcher
Posted on February 6, 2011 at 11:13pm
all religion is, if you will, “demonic”, evil and backwards.
it preys on ignorance and fear.
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By your comment, I’m guessing you’re an atheist. How can you say all religion preys on ignorance unless you’re an expert on all religions? Do you not see how ignorant your own statement is? What exactly do you know of Christianity? Atheists claim people of all faiths are ignorant, yet you ignore the spiritual nature of man and believe that all things can be reduced to materialism. Not only that, atheists usually believe little green aliens visited earth millions of years ago and planted human seeds (nothing ignorant about that, now is there?). Please explain love, dreams and the Roman letter “A” in materialistic terms, then tell me how organic life sprang from rocks. Also, while you’re at it, why don’t you give us your thoughts on where all of the matter in the Universe came from? One other thing, if you don’t believe in anything supernatural, what standard do you use to measure “evil?” I don’t expect you to answer my questions, because you don’t have answers to these questions and when you fail to answer my questions you will have proven my point that you are the one who is indeed ignorant.
Report Post »ltb
Posted on February 7, 2011 at 9:58amencinom
Posted on February 6, 2011 at 11:12pm
That was more a work of fiction than a documentary. It was not a work of scholarship, but of paranoia suitable for the tin foil hat crowd.
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I’ll bet $50 that you can’t prove a single lie was told in this documentary. If you can, I’ll donate $50 to the charity of your choice and if you can’t, I’ll ask you to donate $50 to Sarah Palin’s PAC. I’m confident you won’t take the bet, because, like mrbutcher, you are ignorant and speak without having command of the facts.
Report Post »MrButcher
Posted on February 7, 2011 at 10:44am@LTB
Sure, I’ll answer.
I am quite versed in the Abrahamic faiths. I don’t think its a bridge too far to state that they are all untrue and man-made. If you have a working understanding of the basics of primate evolution, the nature of primates (which humans are) and the countless gods and religions that have been invented over the last 100,000-plus years then its very easy to extrapolate that they are all false and serve some other basic need.
What is that need?
Well, as you say, the “spiritual” nature of man (I prefer to use “superstitious” nature). I have to agree with you here. That sentiment and inclination is very real. But so are the inclinations to conform to mediocrity, to lie and a lot of other impulses that aren’t very good nor helpful. I assume you take the view that this desire to trandsend life is more than just a primordial fear of death. If so, I’d say you are wrong. The fear of death is precisely why religions are part of our species. Coupled with religion’s communal nature, indoctrination of the young and clan-mentality all often wrapped up in familial bonds its easy to see how and why these silly superstitions are still around. But that doesn’t make them true.
But what I find the most troubling in what you wrote is; “if you don’t believe in anything supernatural, what standard do you use to measure ‘evil?’” Really?
Have you ever studied the origins of Ethics and Morality? It is a debate that predates Egypt and Abraham. It begs the question; where do you get your morality from? The bible? Fear of punishment upon death? Celestial threats of with-holding eternal love? If so, I think your concepts of morality are based on falsehoods. If you don’t steal, kill and lie because of fear of what will happen to your “soul” upon death then your morality is very eschewed.
As, to your disjointed questions about aliens, love, the letter “A”, dreams and the origins of the universe: only two of those are really worth addressing seriously. Those being love and the origins of the Universe and life. I’ll gladly do so if you are serious about discussing it.
cheers
Report Post »bhscpa
Posted on February 7, 2011 at 11:00amMissed the documentary, but thanks for the update. Islam is dangerous to all non-Muslims (i.e. “infidels”).
Report Post »ltb
Posted on February 7, 2011 at 12:20pmencinom
Posted on February 7, 2011 at 11:59am
@ltb
Ther eis no outright lies, but distortions of the truth, faxts presented out of context or spun to fir the extremely biased narrative of the director. It is not a work of scholarship but rank propaganda.
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Okay, so now it’s not really full of lies, just full of distortions. Give us one example of a truth that was distorted in this documentary. Have you even watched this documentary?
ltb
Posted on February 7, 2011 at 3:08pmThere you go with the insults again. FYI, insults don’t increase a person’s IQ and they don’t bolster a losing argument. At any rate, I’m not the one claiming I’ve been in every part of the Universe simultaneously and have therefore discovered that God is nowhere to be found. You might want to keep that in mind the next time you accuse me of claiming to be omniscient.
You keep ignoring my questions, so I’m just going to keep posing them until you go away, or answer them. Again, how does the eschatology of Judaism, Christianity and Islam fit together? Being so well versed in the Abrahamic faiths, you should be able to summarize the answer to that question in a single sentence. You are right about the Old Testament pointing to salvation through Christ, I’m just amazed that you can discount all of the prophecies he fulfilled, which were written down hundreds of years before he was born. He actually fulfilled over 300 prophecies… the odds of him fulfilling only 8 of those prophecies are 1 in 100,000,000,000,000,000 and the odds of you getting struck by lightning tomorrow are 1 in 250,000,000.
It’s pretty amusing for you to accuse me of having been brainwashed, when just a few paragraphs earlier you claimed that evolution is true. Answer me this: Who was the first scientist to prove that DNA from an organism can contain DNA with completely new information that is not part of the parents’ DNA? Never mind, you can’t answer that, because no scientist has ever proved that an offspring’s DNA can contain new information that was not part of its parents’ DNA. Without new information being added to DNA you don’t have evolution (and no, duplication of information is not the same thing as new information).
What do I think is the age of the Universe? Based on our current understanding of the speed of light, I believe parts of the Universe have to be at least 12.5 billion years old. As far as the age of the earth, however, I have no idea. I wasn’t around when the earth was formed and the dating methods used by scientists are laughable, so they have no idea either. Tell me, when you were watching the earth being formed, how long ago was that? While you’re at it, tell me what you saw when you travelled 5 miles beyond the edge of the Universe. Also, I didn’t ask you what happened after all of the matter in the Universe had already come into being, I asked you where all of the matter in the Universe came from. What happened five seconds before singularity? Furthermore, I’m glad you don’t believe in aliens, but that actually makes your argument for abiogenesis more difficult. How exactly did the very first biological organism on earth form from rocks and other inanimate material?
Regarding Freud, I had to study him and his theories in graduate school. He was a very disturbed man with some very strange maternal fixations and most contemporary psychologists do not take his ideas about dream interpretation seriously. What dreams mean, however, is irrelevant, because what I want to know is how you explain dreams within the confines of materialism. I’m also aware of the history of the Roman alphabet, but, again, what I want to know is how do you explain the process of communication IF you believe everything can be reduced to molecules randomly bumping around in our brains. Let me ask again, how do you explain love, dreams and the letter “A” solely within the constraints of materialism and the happenstance dictated by the theory of Evolution? You also didn’t answer my question about morality. Once again, was Adolf Hitler evil, or was he good and on what do you base your opinion? It’s pretty obvious you’re getting frustrated by my questions about dreams, love and the letter “A,” because when you were indoctrinated into the belief that you’re a descendant of pond scum, your indoctrinators didn’t tell you how to respond to such questions.
Finally, yes I am a sir, but you are wrong about me having never died. As a matter of fact I did die once. I was about 25 at the time and it was 7 years after I became a Christian. It was one of the most beautiful and peaceful experiences of my “life” and I was very, very, very sad when the doctors revived me from a coma after having been clinically dead. A few years after that experience, I befriended someone who wasn’t a Christian, but who had also been revived from clinical death after an accident. When he told me about his experience, it wasn’t at all like the one I had and you could see the horror in his eyes as he recounted the memory of being tormented by dark beings in a place that burned with fire. One other thing, I happen to pray to Jesus a lot and when I pray, my prayers are answered almost without fail. Who do you think is answering my prayers?
I’ve got to get some work done, but would be happy to continue this discussion after work. If you’re going to keep ignoring my questions, however, you should just drop the insults and concede that, while you believe there is no God, the fact of the matter is that you have just never had an encounter with God.
Report Post »MrButcher
Posted on February 7, 2011 at 4:46pmBEHOLD!!
LTB has risen!!
Sir, you didn’t “die.“ You may have experienced cardiac arrest and your breathing may have stopped but if you had ”died” you would still be dead. Near-death experiences are well documented and are easily explained as the oxygen supply being cut off from the brain creating hallucinations. Nothing too mysterious about that. Now if you had been declared “legally dead” for more than just a few minutes but for a few days. Had been embalmed and buried and then dug yourself out of the ground, then you’d have my undivided attention.
As to the Abrahmic faiths: they all have the same god and are considered monotheistic (though I don’t consider Christianity a truly monotheistic religion unless its Unitarianism.) They all believe that the first “revelation” was made to Abraham. Where are you going with this? I don’t want to get bogged down in chapter and verse arguements nor comparitive religion when my point is only that those chapters and verses and religions are man-made and not revealed. And all are equally dangerous to the survival of mankind.
Hitler was a neo-pagen, occultist meglamaniac who often evoked christianity (christians always bring up hitler not knowing how complicit christians were in the Final Solution). Of course he was evil. How do I define “Evil” i assume you would ask next. well, killing people the way hitler and the old testament do is a good definition. Ironic he killed the jews, huh? You do know about the ancient christian blame of the jews for killing christ? hmmm
But, seriously, good and bad/right and wrong are moral and ethical questions. I’ll assume your next question, “where do moral’s and ethics come from?” They most certainly don’t come from anything that is supernatural. They come from innate knowledge coupled with societal influences, reinforced by constant contact with other primates of the same species and are subject to many varibles. In short, nature and nurture. Morals and ethics do change over time. (Your religion was much like Islam 600 years ago which, ironically, is about the difference in age between islam and christianity.) Of course, there are sociopaths who don’t understand empathy and have no human solidarity nor respect for life. But if you are trying to suggest that religion is moral and is a remedy for this then I’m gonna have to call BS on that too.
Religion is not moral. Christianity is not moral. Scapegoating your “sins” on an ancient human sacrifice is not moral nor responsible.
I am willing to concede that religion does influence individuals perceptions of morality but it does so the same way as philosophy (which it is a part of) and not always in a good way.
Case in point; islamic radicals, The Lord’s Resistance Army in Uganda and the christian slaughter of muslims in Bosnia-herzegovine 15 years ago. just to name a few.
Obviously, we both think the other is “brainwashed” to some extent. I think I’ve addressed your questions pretty well. True, I did get a little exasperated but I‘d be willing to bet I’m not the first to be exasperated by you. You’re gonna have to explain the importance of “the roman letter A” and all that dream talk and how it is germaine to anything I or you have mentioned. I just don’t see your point. Dreams and grammer sounds too Loughner-esque to warrant a serious response.
Cheers
Report Post »ltb
Posted on February 7, 2011 at 10:03pmMrButcher, you remind me of Al Sharpton. That man is about the most ignorant person on the face of the earth, but he’s damn proud of it too. It’s pretty evident that you don’t have a clue as to what you’re talking about, but no one could ever convince you of that, because you’re deluded. Regardless, I don’t want to waste any more time with you, but will dispute some of your uneducated claims for the sake of others who might be reading this discussion, so they aren’t led astray by your uninformed views. Anywho, let’s wrap this up.
No, Muslims do not worship the same god as the God of Judaism and Christianity. For someone who is so well versed in the Abrahamic Faiths, that’s a pretty fundamental mistake. It’s kind of like someone claiming to be an expert about cars, then saying the best year GM had was when it made the Jaguar XJ6 and the Lincoln Mark VIII. Quite frankly, I’m embarrassed for you.
As far as Christianity being dangerous to mankind, not one single person has ever killed another person based on anything that was taught by Jesus; however, hundreds of millions of people have been murdered at the hands of atheist dictators in their quest to establish socialist/communist dystopias (e.g., Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, Mao Tse Tung). In Christianity, extremists are called “Amish.”
Regarding Hitler stirring up so-called Christians against the Jews, read the Bible to find out exactly what it says about how Christians are to treat our Jewish brothers and sisters. If a Muslim kills Jews he is following the teachings and example of Muhammad, if a Christian loves Jews he is following the teachings and example of Jesus.
When it comes to the people who were killed in the Old Testament at the instruction of God, it doesn’t surprise me that you would have empathy for them, because like you they were reprobate. These people sacrificed children to demonic gods, they reveled in their depravity and were corrupt to the core. Even so, God gave people like the Amalekites several centuries to clean up their act, but they refused, so he told Joshua to wipe them out and then he gave their land to the Israelites. Personally, I’m glad God wiped those kind of people off the face of the earth back then, because had he not done so, there would be even more people like you in the world today.
Goodbye.
…..
“If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, shake the dust off your feet when you leave that home or town. I tell you the truth, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.” (Mt 10:14-15)
Report Post »MrButcher
Posted on February 8, 2011 at 10:29amhaha. that’s cute.
When an superstitious ignoramus calls me “ignorant” I then know I’ve made a good point. Thank you.
But with your, supposed, 100% prayer-answer rate; you suggest you’re high esteem with the invisble all-powerful interceding one from the other dimension. I must ask you one final question: why are you so worried about “ignorant” non-believers and “demonic” muslims? Surely, the same god who helped eradicate the Amorite, the Canaanite, the Hittite, the Perizzite, the Hivite and the Jebusite can kill off any modern day equivalent, right? Especially if you, one of his favorites, were to faithfully beseech him?
So get on your knees like a good slave and pray for the death of your fellow man.
Shame on you!
Report Post »Sparky101
Posted on February 8, 2011 at 9:14pmMrButcher gets his ass whipped once again, and I’ll tell you why, hubris. I don’t mind honest athiests, but it’s the dishonest ones I do mind. It‘s one thing to believe you are’t wrong, but it’s entirely a different thing to tell others that not only are they wrong, but to hold them in such distain. MrButcher’s hatred and bigotry comes from his problem with God, not with man, but he tries so hard to erase the truth behind his distain, pride. He want’s it his way, and if you disagree, even with proof, he attacks your person and your faith. I pity such people, for their lives must be miserable.
Report Post »Sparky101
Posted on February 8, 2011 at 9:27pmMrButcher says “They all believe that the first “revelation” was made to Abraham.”
Sir, with all your profound knowledge of “Abrahmic” faiths, praytell, who preceded who, Abram or Job?
Report Post »Deutscher
Posted on February 6, 2011 at 10:38pmIt is unlikely that Egypt would elect an islamist government. Most of the officer corps were trained by us and here in the US. The people remember the wars with Israel and are not looking to repeat them. It is absolutely going to be interesting but I would not become fearful so quickly.
As for some overreaching caliphate pressing the Arabian peninsulia between Iran and Egypt the author pointed out the differences between Sunni and Shia. Cooperation would be highly unlikely
Report Post »cheezwhiz
Posted on February 6, 2011 at 10:51pmthe author pointed out the differences between Sunni and Shia. Cooperation would be highly unlikely
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Any suggestions what we should do when we find out that they are cooperating ?
Deutscher
Posted on February 6, 2011 at 11:04pm@cheese
Right now they hate each other with such ferocity it’s hard to imagine them putting it aside. They are arming themselves against each other at such a pace we can’t build weapons systems fast enough for them.
Report Post »If they were to cooperate , in answer to your question, it could be a completely different dynamic. Frankly I’m not qualified to speculate on that hypothetical.
cheezwhiz
Posted on February 6, 2011 at 11:24pmThey are arming themselves against each other at such a pace we can’t build weapons systems fast enough for them.
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Any guarantees that they won’t turn those weapons on us ?
Deutscher
Posted on February 6, 2011 at 11:33pm@cheese.
I’m not sure what answer you are looking for. I mean any country, say Germany, could turn it’s weapons on anyone.
Report Post »That said, the complex systems require interoperability that is such they would be difficult to mix with other countries systems or parts. So they are dependent on us to help operate and repair.
AmeriCat
Posted on February 6, 2011 at 11:48pmTime to get your head out of the Middle Eastern sand!
Report Post »Deutscher
Posted on February 6, 2011 at 11:58pm@americat
What do you mean? I don’t understand your statement.
Report Post »Mil Mom
Posted on February 7, 2011 at 11:41pmCo-operation may be unlikely, but remember, in this region, one of the fundamentals of war is “The enemy of my enemy is my friend.“ They may well work together to destroy ”the great satan” (Israel) and the“little satan” (America), figuring that the duke it out later for their own power!
Report Post »scout n ambush
Posted on February 6, 2011 at 10:36pmWe should understand our enemy and make no mistake they are our enemy because they choose to be .In the open or secretly they all think the same thing about us infedels .I have read great articles by Walid Shoebat ex- palestinian terrorist who left Islam. He has a good website with a insight on the so called religion of peace or pieces The truth about Islam .As i have said before one muslim leader even said they wanted Obama to lead the new caliphate this occured when obama gave his Cairo speech . Just look at Islamaberg or the 40 to 50 other Muslim training compounds throughout the U.S. Muslims hate and will kill atheists as much as Christians so you atheist’s out there beware of the creeping sharia of the muslim caliphate.
Report Post »ltb
Posted on February 6, 2011 at 10:46pmscout n ambush, I didn’t see your post before making mine – looks like we’re on the same page. Watch the documentary with Shoebat.
Report Post »ILUVAMERICA
Posted on February 6, 2011 at 10:25pmThe barbaric Middle Eastern practice of honor killing has made an appearance on our shores. It happens when men murder members of their own family to avenge purported slights against Islam. For instance, Pakistan-born Muzzammil Hassan allegedly beat and then beheaded his wife Aasiya in Buffalo, N.Y. on Feb. 12, 2009. Six days earlier, Aasiya announced her intention to file for divorce and obtained a restraining order.
Report Post »In another example, Iraq-born Faleh-Hassan Almaleki allegedly ran down his 20-year-old daughter Noor with his Jeep Cherokee near their Phoenix home on Oct. 20, 2009. Noor was killed and the mother of her boyfriend was injured. Prosecutors say Almaleki was angry at his daughter for refusing an arranged marriage.
These cases bear the signs of honor killings and the men, both Muslims, are currently on trial for murder. If the crimes had been committed in their home countries – where Shariah law forms the foundation for judicial proceedings – the defendants frequently escape serious punishment because witnesses often refuse to testify out of fear.
Texas and Wyoming want to make sure legal concepts based on the Koran don’t gain a foothold in America. Proposed state constitutional amendments would ban the use of Shariah and other forms of international law from the courtroom. On Election Day in November, Oklahomans gave an overwhelming 70 percent approval to a similar amendment to the Sooner State constitution.
While a Shariah ban ought to be a no-brainer, it has generated significant controversy. In November, a federal magistrate sided with the Council of American-Islamic Relations and ordered an injunction that blocked certification of Oklahoma’s amendment. Judge Vicki Miles-LaGrange wrote that a Muslim activist would suffer “a stigma attaching to his person, relegating him to an ineffectual position within the political community, and causing him injury” had the amendment been allowed to take effect. In other words, it might hurt someone’s feelings.
It also would have stopped a development taking hold in some European nations where two parallel legal systems have emerged. In the United Kingdom, for example, there are 85 Shariah courts employing imams to adjudicate civil and familial matters. These operate independently of the crown. A 2010 report by One Law for All Campaign titled “Shariah Law in Britain: A Threat to One Law for All and Equal Rights,” says women have the most to lose from the influx of Islamic law. This code lends a woman’s testimony half the weight of a man’s and grants a husband’s petition for divorce more readily than a wife’s. The supposed women’s rights groups are strangely silent when the issue involves the crescent.
It isn’t difficult to imagine the gradual curtailment of other, more essential liberties should Shariah courts be allowed to flourish, for example the lenient treatment for men involved in honor killings of women.
America owes its historic achievements to a founding social contract, the Constitution, which promises to “secure the Blessings of Liberty” for its citizens.
PAres
Posted on February 7, 2011 at 11:41amYour post is informative and accurate. Last year I was prosecuted after asking for 2 minutes to speak at a CAIR 10 week outreach event entitled “Understanding Islam”. PA CAIR leader Iftekhar Hussain said he prefers Sharia Law. They are admitting that more openly now because of the undercover operation at CAIR’s headquarters. Please read “Muslim Mafia” which details that operation and the Muslim Brotherhood connections and operations in the U.S.
Report Post »cheezwhiz
Posted on February 6, 2011 at 10:14pmThe time has come for me to bring to you this video :
Report Post »http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdM1ktcYJGA
I hope Beck will google
“ khilafat movement and Gandhi”
and re-evaluate his opinion of Gandhi, the original scoundral non-muslim who actively worked and supported the caliphate and its restoration after the Ottoman empire fell.
GONESURFING
Posted on February 6, 2011 at 10:13pmThere certainly is a titanic struggle going on between good and evil, God versus the Devil. While the finale outcome is not in doubt, the way there is going to be rough, rocky and down right horrible at times. It’s a good time to pray to the true God, for we might be in for a rough ride.
Report Post »NickDeringer
Posted on February 6, 2011 at 10:05pmSince there are no “Muslim” countries where the governments are freely elected by the people it seems unlikely that this will be the case in Egypt. “Wait”, you say, “what about Turkey?” The Parliament in Turkey is controlled by Muslims. Remember how they refused to let us go through Turkey during the invasion of Iraq? The country is slowly sliding into sham like Iran.
The idea of a Caliphate in the Middle East is not at all far fetched. And with limp leadership in Washington, the Muslim Brotherhood feels emboldened.
Report Post »Eblaze44
Posted on February 7, 2011 at 9:10pmYep, the time to strike is while the Iron is hot and the defenses are cold.
Report Post »Mil Mom
Posted on February 7, 2011 at 11:46pmNon-sequitur
Report Post »Posted on February 7, 2011 at 5:35am
The time to strike is while the Iron is hot and the defenses are cold:
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And the whole world is discussing if Mubarak will last until September. Time to pray for Israel!
Xcori8r
Posted on February 6, 2011 at 10:04pmCaliphates are not good but I really have a hard time thinking that the military in Egypt is going to roll over to Islamic fundamentalists like happened in Iran. I could be wrong. We should all hope I am not.
Report Post »Mil Mom
Posted on February 7, 2011 at 11:30pmWasn’t there a John Wayne movie about the old Egyptian Caliphate. Can‘t quite remember the name but I’ll never forget JW in that weird garb and having to be sneaked out of a tent before they came to kill him. Anyway the gist of the movie was that the Arabic People admired treachery, and anyone who could convince someone that they were a very pleasant dinner guest, and then stab them in the back, or get out the snakes and spiders, was considered the hero of all his people, and the more built up and unlikely the duplicity the greater the admiration of the people. I wonder if this movie didn’t research history more carefully than the current State Department!
Report Post »godlovinmom
Posted on February 6, 2011 at 10:03pmyes the religion of peace…one would think they didn’t evolve out of the stone age…and whats up with the women over there…I read somewhere…the women have to stay covered up because the men can’t control themselves…if thats the case…I say invest in some blinders…you know like horses wear…barbaric culture..
Report Post »Eblaze44
Posted on February 7, 2011 at 9:08pmYep, it’s peaceful – just like Christians are.
Report Post »APatriotFirst
Posted on February 6, 2011 at 10:02pmWell written Mr. Tucker
Report Post »V-Forge
Posted on February 6, 2011 at 10:00pmWhen did factual history ever convince a liberal? This is all true but the same people that say “That can’t happen here because we are America“ will never really believe stuff like that can really every happen anywhere because they think ”The People” just would not put up with it. That of course is a judgment from the perspective of a spoiled American mindset.
Report Post »walkwithme1966
Posted on February 6, 2011 at 10:39pmYou are using sweeping generalization about liberals V-forge – you need to stop it – we are not all alike – we do not all believe the same things. So knock it off – lumping all liberals in one big bunch is not factually true! http://wp.me/pYLB7-Am
Report Post »V-Forge
Posted on February 6, 2011 at 11:50pmMy apologies. I simply do not see how anyone can claim to be a liberal. I’m sure my perception of them is tainted by my own perhaps limited experience with the book definition and the examples of those i have seen that claim such a thing. If you post here for honest debate then you simply do not fit my perception. There are many that come here simply to attack what i think are good people and ideas. Most or all of those cling tightly to the liberal title. I was born in texas and raised in alabama so some might call me a redneck. I‘m not offended by the term because i’m on their team as if the mere word defined me. So please try to be less offended by my personal definition of a liberal as a bad thing. Do not let the word define you in a way that you feel allegiance to it. I call myself conservative and republican but i also believe in the old democrat party before it’s soul was taken out of it. i am simply me and i believe what i do. the ideologies simply have beliefs that fit what i think not the other way around. to me, being liberal is a blanket of beliefs that are made for you by others that simply think they know better about what is best than you do. Supporting those beliefs means that you would also demand that I subscribe to that. And when i do not? Perhaps i should change my defined meaning.. I think my definition is better served by “Radical Liberals” better. There are radicals in all beliefs and that perhaps leaves a place where you have a more comfortable place . So please allow me to amend my earlier broad brush comment with that term and we can proceed with less offense.
Report Post »Wilbur D Pig
Posted on February 8, 2011 at 6:53amV Forge, You sound like a well reasoned person that I would truely like to know. I get so disappointed by the posters who (from the left) want to paint us as racists and the others (on the right)who make us look like racists by there from-the-hip rhetoric. You are a person of integrety to admit you mis-spoke. And to amend your meaning in such an articulate way is truely admirable. I agree with your assertion. I have liberal friends that will give and listen to an honest debate. It’s the radical liberals I cannot stand. @walkwithme, you must admit that it is note very likely you would see such respectfullness were this the Huffpost and the roles reversed.
Report Post »bry
Posted on February 8, 2011 at 7:34am@walkwith me.
Report Post »Many Libs make up their own truth. Much of it redundant.
It is factually true?
BMartin1776
Posted on February 6, 2011 at 10:00pmLOL I was just about to post something like that…. in a nutshell its an islamic radicals w*t dream and the worlds nightmare that will result in world war. Dont dismiss it, ppl were all happy happy joy joy when Hitler first came to power then like a flip of a switch the nightmare began!
http://www.savingtherepublic.com
Report Post »Cincinnatus Dogood
Posted on February 6, 2011 at 9:59pmLook up these words, Islamic facism.
Report Post »walkwithme1966
Posted on February 6, 2011 at 10:37pm“the largest and most organized opposition, the Muslim Brotherhood” – I don’t believe that this is correct, at least not from the reports that I have heard coming out of Egypt. The Muslim Brotherhood is only approximately 10% of the population! http://wp.me/pYLB7-Am
82dAirborne
Posted on February 6, 2011 at 10:54pm@walkwithme1966 – In the late 1920’s and early 1930’s the Nazi party in Germany were a tiny minority also. But they were ready, prepared and eager to assume power. The Muslim Brotherhood, if they gain power would be the Nazis on steroids!!
cheezwhiz
Posted on February 6, 2011 at 11:13pm@ walkwithme1966
Report Post »Muslim Brotherhood is only 10% of Egyptians you say , got any data or reports to back that claim ?
The reason I ask is because during the last week, I have seen so many apologists for jihad a k a lefties+democrats in the media put that number at 20 %.
You guys don’t get the same talking points ?
Soros pays good money to invent and disseminate this stuff , plz don’t disappoint him
13thGenerationAmerican
Posted on February 6, 2011 at 11:57pmThe great thing about President Obama is he doesn’t pull any punches. He is focused and I have the greatest respect and admiration of any man who demonstrates the courage to take on this responsibility. He is an American Hero. It’s a tough job. a responsibility that few have the exception of delivering.
With respect.
American
82dAirborne
Posted on February 7, 2011 at 12:06am@13thGenerationAmerican – I don’t care who you are – That is funny!!!!!!! Research the word “clueless” you will see our Presidents picture & bio.
Report Post »AzDebi
Posted on February 7, 2011 at 1:24am@WALKWITHME1966:
Report Post »“the largest and most organized opposition, the Muslim Brotherhood” – I don’t believe that this is correct, at least not from the reports that I have heard coming out of Egypt. The Muslim Brotherhood is only approximately 10% of the population!”
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Not all of the Egyptian people accept the Muslim Brotherhood. Of course not all of the peoples of Egypt are members of the Muslim Brotherhood. However, the Muslim Brotherhood does have a huge membership in that country. But, what the Muslim Brotherhood has in common with the Egyptian people is that they DO represent the majority of the people in Egypt. The worldpublicopinion.org did a survey in Egypt where they went in Egypt door to door interviewing people face to face asking them if they would like to bring back the establishment of an Islamic caliphate around the world. According to the survey, 67% of those interviewed, more than 2/3rd of the population…hardly a fringe minority, desire this outcome: A caliphate throughout the world! In the poll, they were also asked if they want the implementation of Sharia Law across the Islamic world and 74% of those surveyed want and support the strict application of Sharia Law in every Islamic country. So, as you can see, the population of Egypt…the people themselves, are not people just like us. You know, they think just like us, they believe in women’s rights, etc., this that and the other. One very important thing to mention is that Egypt is that Egypt is the second largest Islamic region in the world. It has 80 million people (second largest after Indonesia). Egypt comes number one in the world of women who are genitally mutilated. Whether their husbands are doctors or lawyers or millionaires, or educated, or whatever, at 97%. So that gives us an idea of what their basics are…where they come from religiously into all this and why the Muslim Brotherhood is so entrenched in Egyptian society. If elections are held today, the Muslim Brotherhood will win hands down. Most of the population in Egypt are in agreement, hands down with their point of view. And that is why they will have representation in government and will take over the government.
Non-sequitur
Posted on February 7, 2011 at 5:35am“If elections are held today, the Muslim Brotherhood will win hands down”
They’re not up for election and have no interest to be part of the new government. They will not run as a party.
Report Post »Sheepdog911
Posted on February 7, 2011 at 9:38am@13th. Hero? Courage? Obama? Next time, refuse the Koolaide.
Report Post »TSUNAMI-22
Posted on February 7, 2011 at 10:32am@ 13thGenerationNonAmerican
That was one the best examples of verbal ******** I have ever read.
Report Post »neubienose
Posted on February 7, 2011 at 8:12pmoh no…better hide, booga booga, they are coming to get you…….really, you buy this crap too?
Report Post »what are you CHILDREN?
Mil Mom
Posted on February 7, 2011 at 11:14pm13thGenerationAmerican
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Gee, sounds just like the stories, I used to read to little kids, does he really need to have this web spun, can’t he take care of himself, or is the handwriting on the wall showing through so badly that Charlotte, called on all her fellow spinners to help!
Maybe I’m reading you wrong and this is sarcasm, because I didn’t realize that the White House Press Secretary needed help.
Mil Mom
Posted on February 7, 2011 at 11:19pmNon-sequitur
Posted on February 7, 2011 at 5:35am
“If elections are held today, the Muslim Brotherhood will win hands down”
They’re not up for election and have no interest to be part of the new government. They will not run as a party.
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But then the Socialists didn’t run BO in 08 either did they?
TruthTalker
Posted on February 6, 2011 at 9:57pmDon’t forget the chopping off of hands and the cutting out of eyes.