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United Church of Canada Defends Boycott of Israeli Products: ‘The Occupation Has to End’

United Church of Canada Defends Call to Boycott Israeli Settlement Products

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The United Church of Canada, the country’s largest Protestant church, is defending its call to boycott Israeli products from what it considers to be “illegal” settlements, saying they want to “send a signal that the occupation has to end.”

Back in May, the church published a 26-page report on the factors preventing peace between Israel and its neighbors and, according to Haaretz, the expansion of Israeli settlements in the West Bank and Gaza, the construction of the security barrier, and inequitable access to water between Israeli settlers and the West Bank were all all named as the main “obstacles.”

Haaretz adds:

The report does not mention the effect terrorist groups like Hamaz and Hezbollah have on the conflict. It mentions the daily rocket attacks from Gaza once, compared to the 64 times that settlements are mentioned.

But the Church said it was time they commit to a firm stance on the conflict.

“The real casualty is the peace process itself,” Shimon Foigel, CEO of The Centre for Israel and Jewish Affairs (CIJA), commented.  “(This decision) liberates Palestinians from having to recognize Israel. It places all the onus on Israel.”

It should be noted that the church did say Israel should be defended as the homeland of the Jewish people, just amid roughly 26-pages of criticism.

“We wanted to send a signal that the occupation has to end, that settlements are illegal and they need to ultimately stop constructing them and stop expanding them,” Bruce Gregersen, General Council Officer and senior spokesperson for the church, said. “The overall commitment of the church is very clear: we want a two state solution and the expansion of the settlements is undermining the two state solution.”

Press TV has more:

Canada’s National Post writes:

The United Church of Canada is only the latest in a growing list of organizations around the world to have adopted a boycott of such products.

Individual church members are not required to participate in the boycott, but they will be encouraged to do so — and spread the word at the same time.

Those who championed it say on that latter front, success has already been achieved.

“I can’t say whether it’s made a difference in Israel and Palestine,” said former United Church moderator David Giuliano.

“But it’s made a difference already in that it’s generated a lot more discussion in Canadian culture, and I think there’s a greater awareness among Canadians about the situation.”

When asked about the economic ramifications of the boycott, Fogel simply said: “I don’t think Israel will feel any effect economically…In every single case, (boycott movements) have resulted in huge spikes in consumption of Israeli products.”

It seems as though Fogel and many other Israelis are more concerned about being de-legitimized on an international scale by a strong North American ally.

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Comments (130)

  • Tankertony
    Posted on August 27, 2012 at 10:32pm

    No doubt this so-called churches leadership are flaming leftists. Therefore they will put their secular ideology before their own theology.

    The only words of advice one can give to those who belong to such an organization? Run like hell.

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    • michael48
      Posted on August 27, 2012 at 10:59pm

      well let them come down and they can have evening prayers with the DNC dem-wit party…a muslim thingy, ya know…….nothing like a bi–h slapping at a Friay night party…right????

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on August 27, 2012 at 11:01pm

      This is the opinion of the Jews..
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNLJY-x1ssc

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    • ICRedifURBlue
      Posted on August 27, 2012 at 11:05pm

      Satan has a grip on that church………they need your prayers…..

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    • tzion
      Posted on August 27, 2012 at 11:20pm

      @Ashes
      Wrong. That is the opinion of those Jews. They speak for themselves as they have every right to do so. At best they may speak for those who wish that they speak on their behalf. They do not speak for “the Jews” anymore than than Obama speaks for the American people or Pelosi speaks for Catholics. I happen to be a Jew as is my entire family, a large number of my closest friends, and the many people in my local Jewish community. I can assure you that from among all these hundreds of Jews that I personally have met, spoken to, or in many cases know quite well, few, if any, would feel as though those in that video are speaking on their behalf. And before you even try to question whether they are truly Jews, know that I attend a Chabad synagogue, which is highly Orthodox, and that the majority of my friends are of a similar level of observance.

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    • yougottabekidding
      Posted on August 28, 2012 at 7:06am

      Did GOD make that call?
      Or was it someone that wants to be GOD (just like our so called leader that pretends to be representative of the majority)

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    • JRook
      Posted on August 28, 2012 at 10:28am

      Leave it to the Canadians to take an intelligent stance and show real leadership.

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    • Bellini
      Posted on August 28, 2012 at 11:39am

      @Jrook, Stephen Harper has repeatedly and markedly affirmed his strong support for Israel: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Harper#Israeli_and_Jewish_affairs. He has also been elected as Prime Minister of Canada 3 times, the last time with a majority government. In other words, the United Church of Canada does not speak for Canadians.

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    • PATTY HENRY
      Posted on August 28, 2012 at 4:04pm

      WHATS up with the Canadians? Can’t they watch and see the devastation LIBERALISM has done to the USA??

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    • Thomas_Jefferson
      Posted on August 28, 2012 at 4:08pm

      The Nazis took over the church of Canada

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  • dtraylor
    Posted on August 27, 2012 at 10:26pm

    I do not understand how any church or any one who calls themselves a Christian can be anti Semitic
    The bible clearly teaches that isreal is GODs chosen people and will be the establishment of the kingdom of God on earth when he returns. When Jesus came to earth isreal was expecting a messiah who would conquer their enemies. Instead Jesus came as a savior to be GODs grace to all men. When Jesus does return he will return as the messiah and will raise up isreal to himself and establish his earthly kingdom. GOD has given the land isreal occupys today to isreal.

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    • Gregb
      Posted on August 27, 2012 at 10:46pm

      amen…
      we would not know God’s word if it were not for Ezechiel and Ezra

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    • CatB
      Posted on August 27, 2012 at 11:06pm

      Canada was overrun with socialist progressives long before we were …. they can call themselves a “church” but they are socialists. Be careful people where you worship .. they are inflitrating traditional churches here.

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    • RossPoldark
      Posted on August 27, 2012 at 11:34pm

      This church has seriously corrupted scripture and God’s word. They will have a high price to pay when they stand before God.

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    • SacKings2312
      Posted on August 28, 2012 at 4:19am

      Because boycotting an illegally occupied country by not buying their products is anti-semitic… Get your head out of your ass!

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    • michael from Ga.
      Posted on August 28, 2012 at 8:20am

      You should re-read your Bible. This time seeking the Truth. The “House”of Israel, or the “Children”of Israel decended from Jacob, with His name being changed to Israel-gave birth to the Twelve Tribes. You can also read of the “key”of David in 1Chron.1, or Matt.1. Rev.2:9, and 3:9 are two Church doctrines that we are to know. Anyone not of the 12 are Gentile. Last; If you know in your knower that Christ is the Chosen One, then you must also know who, the Chosen Ones are. Throughout the Bible, idol worship is a serious sin, see that you dont get caught up in it.

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    • pdw
      Posted on August 28, 2012 at 10:13am

      The thing I cannot understand is the hate, they were given a small piece of land in comparison to what was given the the Muslims or Arabs and they still call it occupation? I can see how a lot of media’s handy-work in this project. We see everyday how the hate groups join forces to kill them but not much in the way of news coverage for Israel but lots for those who hate them. I guess we here in the US are not the only stupid ones?

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    • 4XGrace
      Posted on August 28, 2012 at 11:56am

      Rom 1:21-32 “Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despitful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, …

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    • 4XGrace
      Posted on August 28, 2012 at 11:57am

      Romans 1 continued …unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

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  • Skrewedretiree
    Posted on August 27, 2012 at 10:26pm

    Well, it’s hard for our northern brothers and sisters to see clearly until they take their a$$ off their heads.

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  • cookcountypatriot
    Posted on August 27, 2012 at 10:17pm

    alot of the cowardly progressives have obviously taken a stand with islam…maybe the homosexual,abortion loving,true degenerate,dispicible progressive party feel they will be spared if they side with islam..lets face it folks…white progressives are slaves to thier own devices and they need a militant wing to protect them…im sure the uppity jews in germany thought they would get a pass too when hitler took over….they were wrong ,, and so are the progressive white slaves of today….

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    • michael48
      Posted on August 27, 2012 at 10:27pm

      wait until you see NOW in pink burkhas…get stoned to death for showing an ankle..mom and mom exchange vows with thier heads on poles….guess that’s pretty dam progressive..ya’ll think????

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  • capelady
    Posted on August 27, 2012 at 10:12pm

    These people need a history lesson!

    http://www.prageruniversity.com/Political-Science/The-Middle-East-Problem.html

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  • BlackCrow
    Posted on August 27, 2012 at 10:11pm

    Yes it is long past time for the army of Muhammad to end their occupation of Israel and go back where they came from!

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    • Mr. H.
      Posted on August 28, 2012 at 3:00pm

      Is your blackcrow the same as my blackcrow? You carry an Old Crow Coin?

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  • mbean
    Posted on August 27, 2012 at 10:04pm

    Interesting view from a Calgary Alberta newspaper: ” one question remains: Where are the boycotts of goods produced in the Palestinian territories such as Gaza, and other Middle Eastern countries where honour killings routinely take place, where Christians are not free to worship without risking their lives, and where gays face persecution and even death for their sexual orientation?”

    http://www.calgaryherald.com/business/productiveconversations/Render+unto+Caesar+United+Church+line+with+Israel+boycott/7118329/story.html

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    • grayling646
      Posted on August 27, 2012 at 10:12pm

      It’s in the land of Agenda.

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    • capelady
      Posted on August 27, 2012 at 10:13pm

      Where is the boycott of Egypt and the Muslim Brotherhood who are now crucifying Christians?

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    • Elena2010
      Posted on August 27, 2012 at 10:52pm

      How can you boycott goods that do not exist!

      Gaza produces nothing. The so-called West Bank, in reality Judea and Samaria, produces nothing. Nothing but trouble!

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  • kdshell1
    Posted on August 27, 2012 at 10:03pm

    What if pro-Israel parishioners of that church denomination boycott financially any activities of that or any organization that are anti-Israel and openly contribute to support pro-Israel organizations.

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  • Kaine
    Posted on August 27, 2012 at 10:03pm

    “I will bless those who bless you, and curse those who curse you.”

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    • riseandshine
      Posted on August 27, 2012 at 10:12pm

      The State of Israel?

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    • Tankertony
      Posted on August 27, 2012 at 10:28pm

      No, the Jews. Currently synonomus with the Jewish state, the State of Isreal.

      History has proven this passage spot on.

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  • RamonPreston
    Posted on August 27, 2012 at 9:59pm

    God gave the land around Israel to the descendants of Abraham. That’s good enough for me. All the hot-spots in the mid-east are where Joshua failed to drive out the inhabitants as INSTRUCTED BY GOD. If he had, there wouldn’t be any problems.

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    • kdshell1
      Posted on August 27, 2012 at 10:09pm

      It wasn’t just Joshua, who was just one man. The people themselves — especially later generations — violated God’s commands and collaborated with those who were against God. They compromised with followers of Satan.

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    • capelady
      Posted on August 27, 2012 at 10:17pm

      You can actually take it a step further. This conflict goes all the way back to Ishmael and Isaac. If Abraham had not tried to take things into his own hands by having a son with Hagar instead of waiting for God to move and for Isaac to be born – then Ishmael would not have fathered the Arab nations who became a permanent reminder of Abraham’s disobedience and an enemy of Israel.

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    • tzion
      Posted on August 28, 2012 at 12:03am

      @Capelady
      As much as I appreciate your enthusiasm I feel obligated to point out a few things. One, Sarah herself instructed Abraham to father children through Hagar due to her lack of children. Rachel and Leah would each make a similar request of Jacob years later. Second, G-d did promise Abraham to make Ishmael a great nation though he assured him that he would not inherit with Isaac.

      As for Joshua’s failing to drive out all of the Canaanite nations, those that he spared were eventually dealt with by David. Jerusalem itself was actually a Canaanite city-sate called Jebus that David succeeded it destroying before rebuilding as Jerusalem.

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  • TJexcite
    Posted on August 27, 2012 at 9:58pm

    Just ask how many Catholic Churches are in Gaza. Will the United Church accept products made in Gaza or Palestinian companies in “occupied” territories or are there none. The United Church will have no need for the bomb and rockets that are made in Gaza and Palestinian controlled Judea and Sumeria.

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  • Magyar
    Posted on August 27, 2012 at 9:57pm

    The United Church of Canada spews nothing but “Prosperity Gospel.” Scripture is something that is manipulated and massaged to bolster their Socialism….

    What they have to say is inconsequential!

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    • canadianproud
      Posted on August 27, 2012 at 10:18pm

      A large amount of Canadians are on your side. It appears the feeling is not mutual.

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  • canadianproud
    Posted on August 27, 2012 at 9:56pm

    I am so shocked & so ashamed to hear about this.

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    • momrules
      Posted on August 27, 2012 at 10:21pm

      Canadian…….I am shocked and shamed by many things that are happening in America too. I feel your pain and understand it well.

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  • Wool-Free Vision
    Posted on August 27, 2012 at 9:51pm

    This is what happens in a world where good people stand by for decades watching progressive jerks replace education with brainwashing. We have ourselves to blame. Turn off the idiot box and start challenging these fools with facts!

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    • UnsilentMajority
      Posted on August 27, 2012 at 9:57pm

      Couldn’t agree with you more Wool. On another note, apparently the “church” of canada don’t pay too much attention to prophecy. Enter that ring if you want to canada but it will not change the outcome.

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    • jwt
      Posted on August 27, 2012 at 9:57pm

      When man runs the church, what else would you expect?

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    • barryd
      Posted on August 27, 2012 at 10:05pm

      United Church of Canada? Really? Really? There are those that believe in Canada? The country that no really wanted, not even the Brits.

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  • grayling646
    Posted on August 27, 2012 at 9:51pm

    Glad I’m not a member of that church. I’d have to leave.

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  • DEMOCRATS.ARE.EVIL
    Posted on August 27, 2012 at 9:51pm

    Franz, vats dat smell coming from da chimneys ober dare?
    Nutin, Klaus. I smell nutin, Klaus. You smell nutin, Klaus.

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  • 762x51
    Posted on August 27, 2012 at 9:51pm

    LOL, These leftist jack holes need to stop using computers then, a lot of the Intel technologies including die-prep comes from Israel That is one of the reasons that the Israeli economy is bigger than ALL of the Islamic dirt scratcher’s economies combined. The sand fleas in the rest of the Middle East could learn from them if they would just pull their head out of their Islamic backside.

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  • momrules
    Posted on August 27, 2012 at 9:48pm

    I would run, not walk, out of that so called church of God and I would beg God to forgive me for ever joining it.

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  • papakono
    Posted on August 27, 2012 at 9:48pm

    I stand with Israel, Canada’s protestant church sides with the evil of the world. Shame on them! May they reap what they sow.

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  • grimmster
    Posted on August 27, 2012 at 9:45pm

    Occupation, what the hell do these idiots think Israel is, part of the ows? Yep,keep up with the world trend and bash Israel,its the communist.muslim thing to do now, that we have a commie//****** prez…..f-n idiots….

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  • Individualism
    Posted on August 27, 2012 at 9:43pm

    Radical Christianity and their crusader foreign policy. if they drag America into Iran we should boycott them as well.

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    • therealconservative
      Posted on August 27, 2012 at 9:50pm

      Individualism
      Posted on August 27, 2012 at 8:57pm

      Mormon, Muslim and a Christian, ill take the christian thank you.

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    • Individualism
      Posted on August 27, 2012 at 9:52pm

      there are radicals in each group.

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    • MODEL82A1
      Posted on August 27, 2012 at 9:54pm

      Once again, a Paulbot is exposed as being a Rabid Anti-Semite who hates the Jews FAR more than they love America and Her Constitution. Their claims to want American Isolationism has always been a thinly-veiled cover for their desire to see Israel Driven into the Sea.

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    • MODEL82A1
      Posted on August 27, 2012 at 9:59pm

      INDI, Some groups more than others, Paulbot.

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    • kaydeebeau
      Posted on August 27, 2012 at 9:59pm

      Mormon’s are Christians – perhpas a reading of Mark 9 start with verse 38

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    • UnsilentMajority
      Posted on August 27, 2012 at 10:06pm

      You better decide which team youre playin on Individualism and decide soon.

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    • Wool-Free Vision
      Posted on August 27, 2012 at 10:08pm

      Perhaps someone should drag you into the realm of reality, where men of honor stand up for their allies and refuse to cower in a corner waiting for the evil to turn its eye upon them. If you don’t stand up for your allies, then you will have none when it is your turn as the target. Fool.

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    • UnsilentMajority
      Posted on August 27, 2012 at 10:13pm

      You really dont pay attention do you? I don’t recall Israels prime minister declaring to the world the extinction of iran. Have you? Oh btw, can you think of any where else your messiah has “drug us into”?

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    • tzion
      Posted on August 27, 2012 at 11:35pm

      You shouldn’t let Collectivism (a more accurate name than his chosen one) trick you into believing he‘s in any way conservative even though he himself seems to think that he’s a libertarian. He’s practically endorsed OWS, hates the military and the police claiming they’re the tools of fascism, and quite frankly comes across as someone who feels he is entitled to special treatment for whatever reason. I‘d say he’s an anarchist but even that doesn’t quite fit because he would only be happy when everyone agrees with him. He has no respect whatsoever for any differing opinions, a direct violation of the very principle of individualism.

      Needless to say, his chosen name is nothing short of an insult.

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    • Individualism
      Posted on August 28, 2012 at 7:58am

      you should read what the book of mormon says about Jews and Blacks. Romney preaches that book. i am not supporting that you are. if you don’t boycott israel if they get our troops in Iran, than you hate the troops.

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    • FREEDOMoverFEAR
      Posted on August 28, 2012 at 6:43pm

      I support Ron Paul and I do not want to see Israel destroyed. I realize that a lot of America’s interfering with other countries created more problems than it solved. We toppled Iran‘s government in 1953 and it’s been a thorn in our side since. We pushed for democracy in Lebanon in 58 and they elected Hezbollah. The Arab Spring where now it looks like the same thing that happened in Lebanon is going to happen there. The problem with us interefering is we give freedom to people who didn‘t earn it and so they don’t know how to keep it. If we need to go to war we should just annihilate our enemies as an example to future hostiles.

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  • MODEL82A1
    Posted on August 27, 2012 at 9:41pm

    While the Paulbots will dishonestly claim not to care what Canada, or any foreign country does, they are privately cheering this story loudly.

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  • sWampy
    Posted on August 27, 2012 at 9:41pm

    Every day is opposites day to the liberal mind. Israel is being occupied by Muslims, and of course the liberal idiots think the israelis should leave and give up their land.

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    • Chet Hempstead
      Posted on August 27, 2012 at 9:59pm

      Since the Muslims were there before the Israelis, that is like saying that America is being occupied by squirrels. And if you view the occupied territories as being part of Israel, then you can’t go around saying we should support Israel because it is a “democracy” even though half the people who live there can’t vote.

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    • MODEL82A1
      Posted on August 27, 2012 at 10:05pm

      CHET, Get a history lesson, you dolt! The Jews lived in Jerusalem BEFORE ISLAM EXISTED.

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    • kaydeebeau
      Posted on August 27, 2012 at 10:18pm

      @ Chet – so since Muslims diidn’t come into existance until about 700 ad and Israel existied in II Chronicles 6 (that would be almost 1000 years befiore islam) …math is your best subject – right?

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    • UnsilentMajority
      Posted on August 27, 2012 at 10:24pm

      Im curious… exactly what do you think happens when you show up univited and start a war in which you get your ass handed to you? Exactly how did Israel come to occupy those lands?

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    • Psychosis
      Posted on August 27, 2012 at 10:26pm

      chet

      you are almost a qualifier for a trophy

      …………….the dumbest poster award

      but i think you would even screw that up

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    • tzion
      Posted on August 27, 2012 at 11:51pm

      @Chet
      Israel controls those territories and has every legal right to do so. Despite this, Israel has yet to annex the territory and many of the people living there, as well as many Israelis, oppose such an action. As of right now the issue of the borders has yet to be resolved due to a lack of cessation to hostilities. The borders of Europe after each world war were decided by the treaties signed following the ceasefire and were agreed upon by both sides.

      In reality that is all a border ever is: a boundary that is recognized or at least respected by the governments on either side. Borders can be permanent if both sides have agreed upon it, temporary if both sides agree to it while negotiations are underway, or even not be true borders at all as some of these boundaries are merely agreed upon by means of an armistice or ceasefire. In the latter case, which includes the so called “pre-67 borders”, the border itself is only in effect until the ceasefire is broken. Any status those borders had ended as soon as the war of 1967 began.

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    • Chet Hempstead
      Posted on August 28, 2012 at 12:42am

      MODEL82A1 kaydeebeau
      I’m talking about 45 years ago, not 2,000. people still alive today were around 45 years ago. Nobody in sane parts of the world thinks that crap that happened 2,000 years ago is any reason to make decisions about how to run the world today. Saying Israel has a right to land because Ancient Hebrews lived there makes no more sense than saying they don’t have a right to it be cause Ancient Canaanites lived there first.

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    • Chet Hempstead
      Posted on August 28, 2012 at 12:48am

      tzion
      Yeah, I know all that. If I oversimplified things, it was because I was talking to Swampy who stated that “Israel is being occupied by Muslims,” which, since you know all the facts that you stated so pedantically in your post, you must realize is also a ridiculous oversimplification. So why are you addressing your little lecture to me alone?

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    • Chet Hempstead
      Posted on August 28, 2012 at 1:18am

      tzion
      And how does Israel have “every legal right to” control those territories? Their control is based entirely on taking them by force of arms, so how does anybody else not have an equal right to try to take them back the same way?

      Also you statement that “In the latter case, which includes the so called “pre-67 borders”, the border itself is only in effect until the ceasefire is broken. Any status those borders had ended as soon as the war of 1967 began,” ignores the fact that Israel shot first in ’67. You may think they were right to do so, that they had a right to do so, that they had no choice but to do so, but the fact remains that Israel was the first to actually break the ceasefire, so it is very shaky to claim that they have any kind of legal right to benefit from their actions.

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    • tzion
      Posted on August 28, 2012 at 4:51am

      @chet
      Check your facts. True Israel fired the first shot in 1967 but it was Egypt that broke the treaty first by blockading an Israeli port. By the time Israel attacked, Egypt had already formed a united military command with Syria and Jordan, had moved the bulk of its military into the Sinai which had until recently been held by the UN “peacekeeping force” (who left the moment Egypt showed any intention of breaking the peace), and closed the Straits of Tiran to Israeli shipping. Egypt would have never taken these actions if it wasn’t intending to attack. Egypt broke the treaty, violated Israeli shipping rights, and was actively preparing for armed combat. The fact that Israel struck first is inconsequential.

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    • tzion
      Posted on August 28, 2012 at 5:06am

      @Chet
      Yes Israel took it through force of arms. They took it through force of arms from countries that posed an imminent threat to them and from whom Israel had every right to defend itself. Moreover, those territories were under Egyptian and Jordanian control after them took them by force of arms in the 1948 war with Israel. Following that war neither country signed a peace agreement and so legally they were still enemy states. Neither Egypt nor Jordan recognized the 1948 armistice line as having any legal significance.

      So yes, Israel was well within its rights to take over those territories by military force. They were well within their rights to retain the Sinai until signing peace with Egypt. They have every right to retain control over the disputed territories until their safety can be assured and a permanent border is settled upon. Israel is well within its rights to refuse to return the Golan to a country that refuses to recognize its right to exist much less negotiate a permanent border. And if Egypt should break its peace treaty with Israel, which their current military buildup in the Sinai seems to suggest is their intention, Israel would have both the right and will to retake the Sinai if necessary and refuse to return it.

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    • Chet Hempstead
      Posted on August 28, 2012 at 5:50am

      I don’t entirely disagree with you, and I’m not against Israel. Now you are saying they have a right to control that territory. Before you called it a “legal” right. That’s just stupid. There is no more law to support their right to retain control of the territory by force than there is to support an attempt by their enemies to reclaim it by force.

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  • kaydeebeau
    Posted on August 27, 2012 at 9:39pm

    “And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.” Gen 12:3

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    • kickagrandma
      Posted on August 27, 2012 at 9:53pm

      Amen!

      We, too, stand with ISRAEL.

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    • Seabass82
      Posted on August 27, 2012 at 9:57pm

      amen

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on August 27, 2012 at 10:50pm

      How do you bless them KAYDEE..Does blessing them mean “kill for them?” Try reading Zachariah 12, 13 and 14..God Himself gathers the nations to go against Israel..and then Jesus literally steps in causing a huge earthquake..splitting the land ..and all of Israel will be saved..but then only one third will make it into the millenial kingdom..no doubt..it will be the one third who follows Jesus..

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  • therealconservative
    Posted on August 27, 2012 at 9:37pm

    Two thumbs up from the Ron Paul “Followers”

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