United Methodist Board Features Anti-Israel Message in Newsletter
- Posted on May 14, 2011 at 12:41pm by
Jonathon M. Seidl
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“It’s time for Palestine.”
That’s the title of a recent article featured in the newsletter of the General Board of Church and Society, the advocacy wing of the United Methodist Church. And as the title insinuates, the article is very anti-Israel.
For example, just two paragraphs in, author Rev. John Calhoun talks about the recent wave of democracy sweeping the Middle East. “Unfortunately,” he writes, “one state’s undemocratic, militaristic rule over millions of civilians suffering under its administration looks likely to continue unchallenged. That state is Israel, and those living under its illegitimate control are the Palestinians of East Jerusalem, the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.” [Emphasis added]
He continues: “As the world applauds heroic freedom fighters standing up to dictators and fraudulent presidents across the Middle East, widespread support for the Palestinian people’s aspirations to live free from Israeli occupation is faint.”
According to Calhoun, Methodists have a duty to take action because the Weslyan tradition supports “social activism.” And while that may sound like his own opinion initially, he quotes official church resolutions to back up his position.
“One manifestation of these efforts is the United Methodist Book of Resolutions, a volume filled with decisions on critical social, economic and political issues made over the years in the name of the denomination,” he says.
Those resolutions include one called “Opposition to Israeli Settlements in Palestinian Land:”
The United Methodist Church opposes continued military occupation of the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem, the confiscation of Palestinian land and water resources, the destruction of Palestinian homes, the continued building of illegal Jewish settlements, and any vision of a “Greater Israel” that includes the occupied territories and the whole of Jerusalem and its surroundings (Resolution 6073).
Then there’s another, “United Nations Resolutions on the Israel-Palestine Conflict.” Calhoun explains:
Even more significant is Resolution 6074, “United Nations Resolutions on the Israel-Palestine Conflict.” It was adopted by General Conference, the denomination’s highest policy-making body, in 2000, then revised and readopted in 2008. It states, “The United Methodist Church calls upon Israel, the Palestinian National Authority, and all States to abide by and uphold U.N. resolutions, International Court of Justice rulings, and international law as the basis for just and lasting peace in Palestine/Israel.”
That‘s important considering what we’ve been told about the United Methodist Church in a previous article on this site. Last fall, the Board was a major supporter of the controversial “One Nation” rally — a gathering of progressives, Democrats, and even socialists — in Washington, D.C. Then, we were told that just because the Board took a position on an issue, that couldn’t be construed as representing the position of the entire church, since the church’s positions are only determined by the general council. But according to Calhoun, the church has taken an official position on the Isreali-Palestinian conflict. And it’s not supportive of Israel.
That’s also supported by how Calhoun interprets the resolutions for all United Methodists. He says the position of the church is “clear:”
The denomination affirms the will of the international community, expressed through U.N. Security Council resolutions, the Fourth Geneva Convention and other international law instruments, in condemning the Israeli military occupation of Palestinian territory. The denomination opposes continued Israeli settlement building on occupied Palestinian territory. The church stands with the Palestinian Christian community, and supports Palestinian efforts towards economic and political self-determination. [Emphasis added]
As a next step, Calhoun encourages United Methodists to take part in an upcoming, week-long event called “World Week for Peace in Palestine Israel.” A quick look at the event’s website reveals more anti-Israel rhetoric (couched in discussions of “peace”):
According to Calhoun, the event encourages participants to pray for Jerusalem. But he also describes opportunities for “political advocacy” and says the event will allow “church members to be further educated about the conflict, and to teach others about the need to end the injustices.” [Emphasis added]
And if the church‘s position wasn’t clear already, Calhoun concludes: “The United Methodist Church stands for an end to the illegal Israeli occupation of Palestine, and for political self-determination for its people.”
(H/T: Blaze reader Mara)
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TRONINTHEMORNING
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 1:34pmWell, just anohter man-made religious organization showing their true lameness and how the cause of Christ is simply not the priority. Pretty pathetic. Remember, UMB, Christ was born a Jew and if you are saved by Jesus Christ, you were saved, are being saved, and will be saved by the true and living God that came as a Jew. How do people miss that?
Report Post »RGVTexan
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 1:30pmLiberal socialists in the First United Methodist Church have been activists for a long time. Some were very ugly when it came to opposing the George W. Bush Library at Southern Methodist University. The ugly things they said about G.W. were so bad I wondered why I called myself a Methodist because I certainly didn’t agree with them. It was and is very troubling and sad.
Report Post »BOMUSTGO
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 1:39pmMany of thes watered down denominations are teaching social justice.So far this has steared clear of true spirit filled congregations.
Report Post »mrsmileyface
Posted on May 15, 2011 at 2:28pmAnother church bites the dust. Perhaps the Methodist’s forgot to ask why Great Britain occupied the West Bank durring the Palistinian Mandate. How convienient that they forgot.
Report Post »Cincinnatus Dogood
Posted on May 15, 2011 at 11:42pmA conglomeration of gays, lesbians, women ministers, radicals of every type. This is happening in even the most rural parts of America. Dont support or tithe these churches you are supporting social justice and the destruction of America and Isreal. They are teaching the wrong values.
Report Post »historypaper
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 1:29pmDepending on the button you push, Israel could be gone tomorrow. While Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Clinton, Soros and millions of Americans walk away from Israel you should first consider the war that will be fought.
Report Post »ronmorgen
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 8:27pmTrue, it would be nuclear wouldn’t it.
Report Post »Sam Brown
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 1:27pmI think these Methodist should spend some time in Egypt right now and see what it means to be a christian.
Sam
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 4:55pmFat chance
Report Post »ruchamah
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 9:05pmSam, I think most Christians, esp here in America, think they get special treatment, ie, the rapture bus…when believers the world over are suffering and dying for their faith. A sad commentary, indeed, on the very ones who claim to follow the Messiah.
Report Post »BHAMCONSERVATIVE
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 1:19pmThis is awful! What’s happening to the Methodist church? I hope their followers don’t really believe this. I only know one methodist and I KNOW he doesn’t think like this.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 1:32pmMany of those in the congregations don’t know they support this .. they go on Sunday … and the message is slipped in “quietly” … I caught on quite a while ago .. but others haven‘t or won’t see it … I suggest you let him/her know .. I have sent a link to friends still in the U.M.C.
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 1:39pm@BHAMCONSERVATIVE~~~ I’m a member of the UMC and have been for most all of my adult life. In no way to I agree with most of what the UMC stands for on “social justice” issues. I took them on over their sponsorship last fall of the “One Nation” fiasco….finally got them to back off that (they said, but obviously that’s all they did was “say so”). No change of heart to follow JESUS is evident esp. after this recent decision. I have emailed our pastor to let him know I am not happy with this decision and asking him about his stance and our church’s position on ISRAEL. Whether I remain in this church/denomination is up to GOD. Maybe HE put me here to help open the Scriptures to the leadership which evidently has run amuck of Biblical teachings. Pray for us all.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 2:20pmI am convinced the only thing that will change them is a BIG loss of membership .. and collection plate offerings … otherwise they will do as they please .. they won’t get a dime from me .. I have in the past gone to their breakfasts and shopped their “crafts” NO MORE.
I stand and PRAY for ISRAEL!
Report Post »caprica
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 1:16pmthis is a pre hitler era…..brown shirts and gestapo is forming…..
Report Post »Acorn – union bosses…
once hitler got his power he killed those who help him to get the power: homosexuals,…gays….lisbians, gypsy, menally sick ….they jews and the rest ! he left the strong and the young to work …and of course! he killed educated people immindiately ! becuse hitler knew that educated people are threat ! to his change and hope agenda……he left the uneducated and yourng to work for his regime …power and control over people !
BOMUSTGO
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 1:35pmHistory has a way of repeating itself. The bible even says, That which was will be again.
Report Post »USAMEDIC3008
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 2:43pmCAPRICA
Report Post »I wish everyone could see as clear.
As long as the USA was strong and as one the New World Order had no chance.
Now thay have been able to turn us on ourselfs,the CHANGE has almost come.
DOORS ” When the party’s over,turn out the lights”
The HOPE is ,GOD will turn them back on when HE is ready
Time Rebel
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 1:10pmAs many people who disagree with this attack against Israel by the UMC should write letters to the editor& spread the word about this! I plan to do some research to find out what exactly the UMC thinks should be done with Israelis. Exterminate them? I mean, this is really scary. Haven’t the Jews been persecuted enough?! As for my and my house, we will worship the Lord. AND we will support Israel!
Report Post »honestynow
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 8:10pmYes. Write them. I just did. And when I went to the UMC General Board website, they stuff about the UN.
Report Post »It is a sad state of affairs. Left the Presbyterian Church, visited a UMC (was raised in UMC), but then the minister said something about “social justice” and that was it….Where to now?
kickagrandma
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 1:10pmWHOOPS! May be changing denominations. I was not happy with them last year when they DID sponsor that fiasco after 8/28….. I let them know IN SPADES what I thought of that and how BIBLICALLY incorrect their stand was. This is yet another big ERROR on the part of the leadership (?) of the UMC.
PRAY ON, AMERICA. Pray for CHRISTIAN leaders in our churches. Too many “leaders” are following the dictates of man rather than the orders of GOD.
Report Post »mrclean
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 3:43pmThe “Christian leaders” in MANY MANY of our churches today are sponsoring their own agendas without consulting God almighty first. Any church that teaches from a chruch-board-approved preprogramed Sunday school booklet, instead of from the inspired Word of God which that teacher received while on their knees in prayer, is building their own denoominational tower to heaven IMHO. Man loves to promote his own denomination’s interpretation of isolated passages of Scripture and talk down to all other denominations because one thinks they are the only one with all the correct answers. Beware is all I can say.
Non-denomination is OK until they incorporate the word “charismatic” into their identity. But that’s another topic. I just want to always keep God and Jesus first in my life and have found that it becomes a much bigger struggle when I have to wade through and obey or acknowledge all the dogmas and doctrines of the various denominations. And in my case, God pulled me out of church almost 15 years ago and over those years I have grown closer to Him than I was while a member of several different denominations.
Report Post »princessnutsack
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 1:07pmNot surprising, in the end times, Israel will stand alone.
Report Post »mrzmac
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 1:39pmNo, I will stand with them and so will my brothers and sisters in Christ!
Report Post »ruchamah
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 8:03pmMrZMac I thinbk that is precisely what Princess said: Israel will stand alone. YOU were grafted into THEM, not the other way around.
Report Post »BOMUSTGO
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 1:07pmFrom here on out, everything pivots on the Nation of Israel.All nations will come against her.
Report Post »vennoye
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 6:58pmYes, sadly it looks like our leaders too! Bad, bad move.
Report Post »Midwest Blonde
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 1:05pmAnd to think I was considering joining the UMC. *shaking head* …. something kept me from it, then I read THIS? What has Israel done to ANYONE? except in self defense?
Report Post »My Two Cents
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 5:48pmI recently gave up on the Methodist Church. On April 28, 2011 the Austin American Statesman published a letter to the editor by the senior pastor of the University United Methodist Church in Austin, TX. In effect, the message was that the wildfires in Texas are being sent by God in order to punish those who do not support social justice.
In response to an email I sent him, he claimed that I had missed his satire and that it was simply a jab at our legislators. Then, he went on to bash Republicans, the Tea Party, the oil industry and Baptists. In closing, he basically stated that I had the choice of staying with the Methodist Church and being “challenged” or becoming a Baptist and accepting the status quo.
I have sent letters to leaders within the hierarchy of the Methodist Church asking if they support this political agenda of social justice and I have not received a single reply. Their silence speaks volumes.
Report Post »Veritas vos liberabit
Posted on May 15, 2011 at 3:06amMy Two Cents, Yeah, we did the same thing when we requested our names be removed from the membership rolls. No response at all!! Don’t let the door hit you in the a– on the way out.
Report Post »Do Obama like Osama.
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 1:04pmIf you believe in Christ, you should be a Roman Catholic.
Report Post »The other ‘spin-offs’ are corrupt in one way or another,
BOMUSTGO
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 1:11pmI think not.The RCC is based on paganism.
Report Post »bernie
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 1:23pmYour username is disturbing. As an RC I pray you rethink your view. I may not agree with my president but I do respect the rule of law.
Report Post »BOMUSTGO
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 1:28pmI was born and raised in the RCC. Thankfully, the Almighty,called me out of that darkness.
Report Post »Fly Old Glory 24/7 365
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 1:43pm#1 What an awful name you have given yourself.
Report Post »#2. Sorry, but followers of Christ would not have a name like that nor would they attend the catholic church.
TheGreyPiper
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 1:44pmNo the RC itself is a spinoff from Orthodoxy ;- }
Report Post »Do Obama like Osama.
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 2:44pmTurn the other cheek is no longer in my beliefs.
Report Post »Survival by any means is.
MrButcher
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 4:46pm@do obama like osama
You really should change your name. Or, at least, do yourself in the same way you suggest a sitting President should be done.
You christian nutbags are no different than your muslim cousins. Your fanaticism knows no denomination. You all want everyone dead and yourselfs rewarded.
You are all a threat to mankind!
cheers
(ps–I’m not lumping all christians in with nuts like this guy but I would sure love to see some followers of the “Prince of Peace” truly stand up for sanity, reason and respect. Do it! Don’t be groveling cowards afraid of an invisible man!! Stand up for humanity! What you people are perpetuating here is the true “destroyer of worlds”: fear, hate, paranoia and violence wrapped up in religion and nationalism. There is no need for your god to destroy humanity when you’re all too willing to do it yourselves. My how America has fallen….)
Report Post »NHwinter
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 5:46pmIt is sad reading all these comments, one denomination downing another. Most of us are the denomination of our parents and later decide for ourself. Lets not knock each others religion. We end up as bad as the muslims fighting each other. If we believe in Jesus, lets stand together and quit bad mouthing different denominations. That only works towards the end they want. Above all, stand with Isreal. Share the words of our Lord together and stop the infighting. As Christians of all denomination and Jews, we must support each other.
Report Post »Thunderstorm 316
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 10:05pmHey troll, I just reported your post. I hope the blaze pulls you off the blog.
Report Post »cookcountypatriot
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 1:02pmreal christians support israel…period
Report Post »crackerone
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 1:34pmDitto that!
Report Post »Bob_R_OathKeeper
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 1:01pmThey must praise allah/satan too, too bad, they‘ll get what’s coming to them.
Report Post »chips1
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 1:01pmIt must be a sunny day there. They are jogging to H3ll.
Report Post »Xpat48
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 1:00pmHa! It’s “crap” like this that I quit the church more then 25yrs. ago. No regrets.
I have my belief and it does not include the church.
I need God. I do not need the church!
Just a lot of BS and give me your money.$$$$$$$$$$$
Report Post »bernie
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 1:17pmThe church is us, we are the Body of Christ. Sorry the part you had contact with did not act properly….lots of us still do. You are needed.
Report Post »epmonroe
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 1:26pmhttp://www.deism.com :-)
Report Post »missy8s
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 12:59pmThey’ll probably endorse Ron Paul next…
Report Post »bernie
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 1:14pmIf they do that I will become a Methodist ;o)
Report Post »geonj
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 12:57pmmorons like this and those in the state department anre not going to be happy until there is a calaphate in the middle east and isreal is obliterated,
Report Post »Time Rebel
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 1:21pm@ GEONJ, great point!
Report Post »Black Manta
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 1:21pmPeople please for the sake of your souls wake up…Jesus defeated death no one else…all false prophets are still in hades..For when they shall say, Peace and Safety;then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child: and they shall not escape..1 Thess 5:3
Report Post »BOMUSTGO
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 12:56pmIt appears they are another group that teaches the false doctrine of replacement theology.I heard that methodist are just Baptists that are afraid of water.They call sprinkling baptism which is unscriptural too.
Report Post »Marylou7
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 3:42pmExcuse me…what Baptist Church have you attended?? I grew up Baptist and they firmly believed every word of the Bible as written. There are crazy groups in every denomination but don’t you dare lump them into your crazy Methodist group. I know of NO true Baptist who is anti-Jew. The church I attended was dedicated to missions and helping the unfortunate in every way they could.
Report Post »vennoye
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 6:05pm@Marylou7
Report Post »Think we have gotten to the time that you can’t defend ANY denomination of church totally! I have been a Baptist all my life, and I thought they were all the same theology…….until I got to the one in the little town I live in. This is the only anti-semitic Baptist church I have ever seen, but it is truly anti-semitic!! Have had to realize that all religious systems are man made and NONE of them have everything right!! For example, I have been taught all my life–once saved, always saved……BUT; if you read Ezekiel 3:16-21, Ezekiel 18:21-24, and Ezekiel 1-9 it seems pretty plain that the Bible does not affirm that theology. Our Bible is the only thing we can trust to get things right…..and the stakes are too high to get them wrong!!
BOMUSTGO
Posted on May 15, 2011 at 1:15amThe point I was making was that their teachings were the same except one sprinkles and the other uses emmersion.
Report Post »JustJ
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 12:55pmThis is frightening. Do they not read the same Bible that I do? Standing against Israel? They may as well just line up for the mark of the beast right now.
Report Post »BOMUSTGO
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 1:01pmThey must be reading from that new fill-in-the blank Bible.
Report Post »Whostolemypig
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 1:26pmNo, it’s the New Obama Multiple Choice Version. You pick the passage that suits your own agenda and state of insanity.
Report Post »crackerone
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 1:36pmThe new and improved, liberal Bible!
Report Post »BOMUSTGO
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 2:18pmcrackerone
Report Post »Posted on May 14, 2011 at 1:36pm
The new and improved, liberal Bible!
________________________________
That new and improved bible would be the “Communist Manifesto.”
W@nd@
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 12:53pmi used to attend this denomination as a child…boy have they gone off the rails!
Report Post »they are teetering on a cliff ready to jump off into oblivion…they are soooo on the wrong side of this issue they appear to fallen into apostacy!
paperpushermj
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 1:37pmThe host has been infected with the ideology of the Left.
Report Post »grandmaof5
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 12:51pmSo I need to leave the Presbyterian Church for their stance, the next closest is Methodist, and I certainly wouldn’t even consider that now. They have made it pretty clear that they are not Christian-minded people but politicians. Maybe I just need to keep it between myself and God.
Report Post »epmonroe
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 1:16pmThis sort of thing is why I’m a Deist. :-)
Report Post »numbers
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 2:30pmGrandma, I don’t know what Presbyterian church you refer to. I am a Presbyterian and like most churches today there are many bodies that are worldly and weak and many church leaders who have strayed from Scripture. The United Pres. Church strayed long ago, denying the Deity of Christ. It’s hard to find any church that is not seriously flawed. However, persevere, there is a remnant out there of people who are diligently seeking the one true God. Many are sitting in local churches and may be silently thinking as you. Try to find them.
Report Post »grandmaof5
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 3:06pmThank you, NUMBERS.
Report Post »Marylou7
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 3:12pm@Grandmaof5
Report Post »Why not try a non-denominational group who believe in the Bible as it is written. I never realized the Methodist were anti-Jew. That alone would keep me off even their property. Just who or what is their god (notice the small g.) Jesus IS a Jew. How can you want to destroy the Jew and call yourself a Christian. YOU CAN’T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The methodist “what-ever” is NOT a church. A church is the BODY OF CHRIST and Christ is a Jew. Praise the Holy Name of Jesus.
338lapua
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 3:13pm“One Lord, One Faith,One Baptism”
Report Post »Open your Bible,do not rely on the precepts of men.
Fernyyy
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 3:14pmI’m finding myself in the same situation, Grandma. I’ve been a Presbyterian up until now. My wife is Catholic and my kids have gone to parochial school. My youngest has her first communion tomorrow.
With these stands of the Presbyterian and Methodist churches, I’m wondering where to go if not the Catholic church.
Report Post »GONESURFING
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 3:45pmOpen your eyes, there are plenty of Sprit filled Bible believing Christian Churches out there, of course the bottom line is your personal faith and relationship with the living God.
Report Post »SlimnRanger
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 3:56pmI pray daily for Israel and i will continue to do so till i leave this world but i also pray daily for the United States,that this will once again be a Christain nation,sure we are still free to attend the Church of our choice,but mercy sakes evil is at an all time high now,my ticket to Heaven has already been bought and paid for by the blood of the Lamb,I am not perfect yet but one day i will be
Report Post »Veritas vos liberabit
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 5:17pmGrandma – Try a Presbyterian Church of America – I left the UMC and found I like this branch so far!
Report Post »mill
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 7:46pmTime to resign from religion…period. I do not believe one must belong to a religion ….
There is a GOD. The rest is debatale.
as the saying goes…
Report Post »GOING TO CHURCH DOES NOT MAKE YOU A CHRISTIAN….ANY MORE THAN STANDING IN A GARAGE MAKES YOU A CHRISTIAN..*.OR A MUSLIMMM…
mill
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 7:48pmGoing to church does not make you a christian and more than standing in a garage makes you a car
SORRY ABOUT THE “CAR” MISTAKE…
Report Post »Libertyluvnmomma
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 10:28pmTry a spirit filled Messianic Judeo church.
Report Post »who knows the prayer Jesus said before he broke the bread at Passover (last supper) and THEN he blessed it and said this is my body…..?
The Jews know.
Christians have tried to “church” do without Jews
Aren’t Catholics idolatrous? Just a question -not asking for a fire storm of insults about any one denomination over another.
HorseCrazy
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 11:26pmtry messianic judaism which I practice. It is fantastic. we celebrate Passover yearly by worshiping the Passover Lamb, Yeshua, Jesus. Wonderful traditional fantastic even studying Hebrew I just love it
Report Post »PalinPal
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 12:49pmWOW ~ WOW ~ WOW
There are no words……..
Report Post »Fly Old Glory 24/7 365
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 1:00pmThat was my 1st thought. Wow, this is big, I mean really big.
Report Post »bestartist
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 1:41pmIs this a surprise…..I mean just yesterday we had the Fraud in Chief quoting Deuteronomy comparing illegal immigrants to the ancient Jews wandering in the desert.
Anti Israel really is the same as Anti-Semitic…..
Progressive Christians, Socialists and Muslims uniting in a very disturbing way.
Pardon my French but, these “Christians” can just kiss my sweet Jewish a$$.
I was truly horrified to see the massive Anti Israel rally in Cairo yesterday.
Report Post »Supposedly the rally was to protest sectarian violence within Egypt but it turned into one favoring more sectarian violence next door. The main focus became supporting the Hamas-Fatah coalition agreement and calling for Israel’s extinction.
Other demonstrations demanded breaking diplomatic relations with Israel and expelling the Israeli ambassador.
numbers
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 2:09pmAgree with Bestartist. This same sort of uniting of various groups occurred before WWII only some of the players has changed. There were many anti-Jewish groups uniting or at least sympathizing with Hitler, including a few so-called Christians. Don’t let these off-base Christians in name only turn you against “real” believers who would never support violence against Israel. I heard our President trying to use Scripture to fit it to his “moral” argument for amnesty or other “reform”. Illegals are not strangers needed help but illegals who need to go back home and start over.
Report Post »13th Imam
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 5:54pmBestartist
Report Post »How do you feel regarding the Democrat Party? Most of my Jewish friends in CT (Self Hating) belong to this Democrat Party that continually demeans Israel. When I ask them they just shrug their shoulders.
Sam Brown
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 12:47pmThere is a point when church goes should realize when their church has been infiltrated. It happened to Catholics with all the priest scandels and it will happen to all churches should the members become lazy.
Sam
Report Post »BOMUSTGO
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 1:03pmJust following in the same foot steps of her momma in Rome.
Report Post »biohazard23
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 12:47pmLooks like I’ll have to go back to the Catholic church………
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 12:49pmThe UMC is detached fm history and reality. Woe to those who curse Israel.
Report Post »Fly Old Glory 24/7 365
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 12:52pmOh my goodness. This is bigger than allowing gays to be ministers in some churches. Watch the fan cause it is about to get hit..
Report Post »banjarmon
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 12:57pmAre these people reading the Koran????
Report Post »CatB
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 1:02pmYes . I quit the United Methodist Church years ago …exactly because of this “activism” .. it has been going on for quite some time .. but never this blatent! Perhaps more members will wake UP!
Report Post »Creestof
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 1:13pmIt is called “cowards trying to cover all their bases.” They can say that crap while living in a free America…but if the “peaceful” Muslims take over, they can yell “See! See! We tried our best for you!”
Report Post »Gold Coin & Economic News
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 1:16pmI would hesitate to even call that group of United Methodists a church.
Report Post »SlimnRanger
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 1:18pmI am surprised at this,but since i do not attend a U.M.C. i guess i had no idea they thought along these lines,I think they are making a huge mistake
Report Post »poverty.sucks
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 1:18pmGoing back to your Catholic church puts your faith into jeapordy. Why should you have to pay your way to heaven? How many Hail Mary’s will be on your script in order for your sins to be forgiven? The condition in which the Catholic church had been created forbid the people to read the Holy Bible. And still today, they lie to the people that the only way to heaven is thru the church. The way to heaven is placing your faith in Jesus Christ, follow what he has taught and he will lead us to our Father. The more you spend with other christians, such as fellowship in a church or other gatherings, one is less likely to sin. Attending a church will not get you to heaven. You may get a message from attending, yet, you can read the same scripture on your own.
The biggest problem of all problems is getting christianity into practice. – John Wesley
Turn belief into behavior, turning acceptance into application.
Report Post »Vixvenom
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 1:26pmWell here it is folks, the great falling away. God himself gave this land to Jews….period. Anyone who supports otherwise, Jew or Gentile, defies God’s will…period. Prophecy fulfilled before our eyes, by people who are supposed to be reading the Bible. NOTW
Report Post »Eric_The_Red_State
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 1:26pmThis is very disturbing.
I used to go to the Methodist church but it has now been taken over by the latino’s in the area. (Not saying they are illegal but none of them speak much English)
Israel is being set up.
Report Post »Keep watching – it is coming soon. (Like tomorrow)
Eric_The_Red_State
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 1:27pmI’m thinking I should go put a “Jew Hater” sign on the lawn of the church.
I‘ll ask them if it’s alright first, of course
Report Post »Mandors
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 1:37pmSounds like the UMC has been hijacked by the same types who took over AARP.
Report Post »sasoldier4god
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 1:38pmMay I suggest the Salvation Army.
Report Post »TheGreyPiper
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 1:39pmo shut up poverty, you are just as ignorant and hateful as these methodists.
Report Post »poverty.sucks
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 1:40pmThe people of Palestine should consider a change in their behavior and to be a good neighbor. There’s nothing wrong with people of good intentions to stand up for them and lead the way. However, failure to change friends with whom they associate with, its very unlikely the people of Palestine will change their behavior. The people of Palestine are being used by evil to harass its neighbor and are paid for their families services. Should we continue sending a trillion dollars to Pakistan?
Report Post »biohazard23
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 1:41pm@poverty.sucks, I guess you never heard the UMC begging for money for this, that, and all the rest. Begging for tithes is not exclusive to the Roman Catholic Church. ALL CHURCHES do it. Yes, I do believe that Jesus Christ is my Savior so I know I am forgiven by His blood that was shed on the cross for me. No, I do not believe I have to “pay my way” to heaven. No, I do not agree with a lot of the doctrine and practice of the RCC, but at least they support Israel. The RCC has its faults (as do all forms of organized religion), but have they ever openly embraced a group of Muslims terrorists? Not to my (admittedly limited) knowledge they haven’t. Given the choice, I would rather attend a church whose position is one that supports Israel, not one that supports the Palestinian troglodytes. But that’s just me.
Report Post »NHwinter
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 1:44pmPovertysucks – how long have you been out of touch with the Catholic church? What you are saying is false!!!! Get your facts straight on what is happening in the church today, not hundreds of years ago.
Report Post »poverty.sucks
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 1:51pmSo then you stand with LDS?
Report Post »ColDoc
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 1:52pmBe careful there too!
Folks… we are in the midst of the “Great Falling Away” and where the “hearts will grow cold” and where “love of many waxes cold”. It’s in EVERY so-called denomination! We must check our own hearts… hold the pulpit responsible for its words and actions… and fight for what the BIBLE says… NOT man!
There are many, many apostate “Christian” denoms out there, and they are exposing themselves now more than ever through their ridiculous rhetoric and “belief” systems! If you are entangled amongst one of these (or within any denom that is spewing this hatred) you must STAND UP before it’s too late!!!
God help us all…… “Even so Lord Jesus, come quickly.”
Report Post »drattastic
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 1:55pmMethodist have become another wing of the progressive party seems like. If you are a Methodist and you haven’t already, it is time to take a hard look at joining another denomination .
Report Post »Ari Ben TZion
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 1:57pmWe all know that most Americans support Israel.
So, I’m not even remotely concerned with what this group of clowns has to say about Israel or about any other subject for that matter, no matter how incongruous or offensive it may be.
Report Post »poverty.sucks
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 1:58pmWe must check the roots of our Tree.
Report Post »UlyssesP
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 2:01pm@poverty.sucks
“So then you stand with LDS?”
Hell yeah! Oh wait…. letters are in the wrong order. Never mind.
Report Post »Bounder
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 2:02pmThe UMC needs to read the Bible. It clearly identifies the Jews as God’s chosen people. Just because He opened the gates of heaven to the rest of us Gentiles doesn’t mean the Jews as a nation ever became “un-chosen”. A Jew can accept Christ and still be one with the Jewish Nation. You don’t go to hell for being a Jew. You go to hell because you did not accept Christ. The two concepts are much more separate than so many people tend to believe. Google “Messianic Jews.”
Report Post »chirodoc007
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 2:11pmRev. John Calhoun is “director of St. Luke’s United Methodist Church’s Family Center in Kyiv (Kiev), Ukraine. As the center director, John works with a team of social workers and community organizers.”
This guy is working and teaching in Russia. He has also worked in Kenya. The guy is a bleeding heart liberal who seems to have lost touch with “The God of Abraham”.
Report Post »poverty.sucks
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 2:19pmJonah was told to go to Nineveh and speak against their wickedness, instead he, like tried to go to Atlantic City. In due course, he made his way to Nineveh. We shouldn’t fault other christians for attempting to save other people. Unless of course they’re suppling them with Guns & Ammunition.
Report Post »coladude
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 2:27pmI wonder why would they do this if they are Christian?
http://politicalbowl.com – Glenn Beck Videos
Report Post »poverty.sucks
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 2:41pmHerman Cain is an excellent businessman. He says, you can’t change anyone. You can try to motivate them to change their behavior in accordance to what you ask of them. People need to motivated to change. Highly motivated people are “Happy”. I don’t know how Johnny on the spot is going to motivate a group of paid terrorist to change their behavior.
Report Post »staggerlee32
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 2:46pmNon-denominational suits us just fine. It’s all about the “Word”. My wife and I got tired of the man made rules in denominations so we prayed and God led us to non-denominational.
Report Post »historyguy48
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 3:04pmBetter be careful, the Jewish people might start a pogrom on all the methodists. Oh yeah, it has never worked that way.
Report Post »ritenour71
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 3:04pmJohn Wesley“s words than have long been forgot by this liberal arm are that ”a love of unity that surrenders truth destroys itself” I pray these misguided souls will again listen in their meditations more than spoutings words to hear themselves.
Report Post »PATTY HENRY
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 3:08pmPlease do!!! You will feel, as i did, that something was just “missing” with other faiths…PS for all the press, those horrible priests who did the molestation of children was less than 1% of all our Priests and other faiths have same or worse numbers, not that GOD won’t deal with them all…but come back home… There is NO excuse for this message ! IT’S filled with half-truths. I hope everyone is aware that there never was a “country” called Palestine, but it’s an area that has been co-habitated by Jews, Muslims and Christians for over 2000 years. At the end of WW II our UN (bless them) declared a portion of that land “ISRAEL” (as Israelis had been there for over 4000 years since time God gave land to Abraham). IT was bungled in the typical UN way, of course, but what has happened since is this: Palestinians have been enslaved by their own (Arafat was example). Instead of working, educating their own, building hospitals etc. they have been forced into poverty…by their OWN leaders. Jewish courts protect them, many work side by side in Israel with Christians and Jews still. They even sit on the Knesset (Congress). This uprising for past 40 years has been to keep Arafat et al in power; keep control of our BILLIONS in aid a year. I have been there, I have studied both sides carefully. Again, this is all about POWER and MONEY. Islam is a Jewish faith knock-off as deemed necessary by the arab tribal leaders. PERIOD.
Report Post »PatriotsLikeMe
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 3:13pmPoverty.Sucks it serves nothing to come in here and beat up other religions. The roots of the tree are firmly planted in the Catholic faith–”you are Peter and upon this rock I shall build my church.” Ours is the first Christian faith so don’t tell me about roots. Why don’t you try to stay on task and focus on the real enemies of religious freedom–it aint the Virgin Mary or our holy father the Pope in Rome.
Report Post »GONESURFING
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 3:21pmThe social ( or socialist ) gospel is not going to save anybody. Jesus is the answer, which unfortunately many churches have lost sight of.
Report Post »John 3:16
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 3:24pmIs Adolph Hitler the Head Bishop at this abomination for a “church”???? @ POVRTYSCUCKS…Right On about being saved church membership any earthly/ man made “church”. If that’s impied, that should send shivers up our backs. Jesus is the only way: Not even the “church” or the physical act of Baptism or any amount of money (especially US dollars) or gold for that matter, Sorry Glenn…
Report Post »3
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 3:51pmUnited Methodist members.
Report Post »GET OUT OF THAT CHURCH.
Okie from Muskogee
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 4:05pmVixvenom writes:
“Well here it is folks, the great falling away. God himself gave this land to Jews….period. Anyone who supports otherwise, Jew or Gentile, defies God’s will…period. Prophecy fulfilled before our eyes, by people who are supposed to be reading the Bible. NOTW”
The great falling away is not what you speak of….The great falling away was/is those proclaiming to be Christian yet do not follow God‘s commandments but a man’s commandments…The falling away of the people from God’s Word, not his first chosen people to bring about this word…
Did you forget God also scattered the Israeli’s and the Jews for turning from God…..For turning to idols and for rejection of his Son, Jesus Christ…God scattered them from Israel…..A Jew is just as Godless as a Muslim for both reject Christ and only those believing in Christ are grafted in the tree or if a natural branch, Jewish, are kept and aren’t broken off…
Please quote your scripture where God will gather back all Jews/Israelis to Israel for the US to defend….
Read your Bible….
Report Post »ginsberg
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 4:11pmThe bible has nothing to do with this. The jews are not entitled to other’s land because some mostly fictional book says they are chosen.
Report Post »poverty.sucks
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 4:11pmSigns by Five Man Electrical Band. Just change the Long Hair Hippie People to Brown Hair Mexican People or Turbin Head Palestine People.
Majority of illegal Mexicans are Roman Catholic. What is the Catholic church doing about illegal immigration?
Nothing.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 4:25pmPatriotsLikeMe writes:
“Poverty.Sucks it serves nothing to come in here and beat up other religions. The roots of the tree are firmly planted in the Catholic faith–”you are Peter and upon this rock I shall build my church.” Ours is the first Christian faith so don’t tell me about roots. Why don’t you try to stay on task and focus on the real enemies of religious freedom–it aint the Virgin Mary or our holy father the Pope in Rome.”
Have you ever studied history and read a Bible?
The roots of the tree is Judaism….Remember those tribes of people who carried those stoned commandments around in the Arc every where they went? That led way to Jesus Christ, who is the only way to God as the Bible tells us…The Bible also tells us those of the natural tree, Judaism, who does not accept Christ gets broken off the tree…So you proclaiming the Catholic Church as the root is wrong…
Also, I ask you to look yourself at Peter being the first Pope of the Bible, because he wasn’t…Later on after your proclaim upon this rock verse Christ proclaims to all Apostles that none is greater then then the other…Peter never acts as a Pope, acted the opposite of your Popes, and was even silenced by Paul…You’ve been lied to….Read your Bible.
Report Post »GRANNYMOO
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 4:29pmthe BIBLE talks about this very thing, and I feel sorry for all who follow this teaching! They know not what what they have done!!!
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 4:32pm@GrannyMoo
Quote the Bible saying this please….
Report Post »poverty.sucks
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 4:43pmGod was prepared to wipe out the Palestinians. Yet Moses spoke up for them just as Johnny on the spot is attempting to do for them now.
What’s the mystical purpose of a Catholic Priest in the 17th century.
How are they any different today?
What Christ has taught has never changed.
Report Post »Lotus503
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 5:07pmIn case nobody remembers…a number of years ago, I believe it was in the early 1980s, the United Methodist Church was caught sending money donated in the United States to communist, socialist and dictatorial regimes around the world. That created a big stink for a short time. And now, nobody remembers it.
Report Post »poverty.sucks
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 5:16pmbiohazard desires to back to the Catholic church, has the Catholic Church acklnowledge the Virgin Mary as having 6-8 children?
Report Post »CultureWarriors
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 5:20pmMarried in a UMC but haven’t been for at least 15+yrs because they have been on a downward liberal slide for long time. If you’re conservative, drop out of that church. They’ll get the message. We seriously need to confront liberalism everywhere we see it’s evil head pop up.
It‘s like those two idiots from the Catholic church O’Reilly had on. They were too stupid to understand that while Catholics are drawn to charity, to force others to do the same is inherently evil. That’s the part that liberals have wrong with their brains. The can’t understand why it is evil to force your choices on others … and where that ultimately and ALWAYS leads to. It’s too bad that there is such stupidity in the world.
Report Post »pitboss711
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 5:24pmI grew up in the Methodist Church and the main lesson I learned was the true meaning of hypocrisy. I no longer consider myself to be a Methodist.
Report Post »vennoye
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 5:30pm@Okie from Muskogee Think these are the scriptures you asked about.
Report Post »2Thess 2:3 ¶ Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
1Tim 4:1 ¶ Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 1Tim 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
Hula Calhoun
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 5:40pmpovertysucks: Study the Catholic Church before you denounce it. The Church says that there are two things necessary to get into Heaven: faith and good works. There is no hellfire and damnation preached from the pulpit. We can’t read the Bible? That rule ended during Henry VIII’s reign. And before Henry broke with the Catholic Church, ALL Christians were Catholic. And there are more Catholics than any other faith (1.16 billion out of 2.3 billion Christians), so our Church is bigger than any other Christian Church, and has been around longer, too (30 AD).
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 5:41pmvennoye writes:
“@Okie from Muskogee Think these are the scriptures you asked about.
2Thess 2:3 ¶ Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
1Tim 4:1 ¶ Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 1Tim 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;”
What is that saying to you Vennoye?
I see no Israel or nothing else…The great falling away from Faith, the Word of God, is all I see….Those not following commandments and faith in Jesus….How does this pertain to Israel?
Report Post »poverty.sucks
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 5:50pmSo how does Catholics set themselve apart from Mormons. You get your work assignments and quality of work assesment from who? To Who’s Authority gives your people the right to tell you how to live your life and who to marry?
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 5:50pmhula Calhoun writes:
“povertysucks: Study the Catholic Church before you denounce it. The Church says that there are two things necessary to get into Heaven: faith and good works. There is no hellfire and damnation preached from the pulpit. We can’t read the Bible? That rule ended during Henry VIII’s reign. And before Henry broke with the Catholic Church, ALL Christians were Catholic. And there are more Catholics than any other faith (1.16 billion out of 2.3 billion Christians), so our Church is bigger than any other Christian Church, and has been around longer, too (30 AD).”
Obviously, you have never heard of the Reformation….Boasting you have more in your “religion” then any other is sinful and should seem silly….Wide is the path of the world…Narrow is the path to God…
Do you still have to bow before the “Pope”? And does your Church forgive sin? Your Pope isn’t Christ…He is everything Christ taught against according to the Bible….Read it and you will see just that.
Report Post »missionarydad
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 5:52pmI have had friends who either are Methodists or former Methodists and they were some very decent and nice people. I am both troubled and disturbed by what I have just read however, it is sad to see Church leaders leading fine and honorable people astray. The people who I have known I seriously doubt would be happy with their Church’s stance on this however. The gay minister controversy was bad enough and that did not set too well with me, but this stance not according to the Bible as God himself personally gave that land as well as a whole lot more to Israel forever.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 6:24pmRead the Balfour Declaration….Read the White Papers…Israel was not created from an inspiration of the Bible….Israel was created so the British could attack Syria…Had nothing to do with establishing an Israeli state in accordance of the Bible…FACT, look yourself…
Also notice the declaration for a Palestinian state within 10 years which wasn‘t upheld as the Israeli’s objected…Wouldn’t God say keep your word….This is all a big lie and distraction…Satan wants nothing more then for you to fight and be distracted over a piece of dirt…
There is much controversy surrounding Israel and the Palestinians, none of it is from God, for God, etc…Both Muslim and Jewish worship false Gods as they do not accept Christ….Christ is the only way for eternal life, to be of God’s people or tree…this is why those preachers proclaiming we must protect Israel blah blah can‘t show you truthfully from God’s word…
God sent Jesus for all who accept him and live his word to have eternal life, individually…Saying God will turn away from America for not protecting a group who does not believe in Jesus are thinking collective……Think America, think!
Report Post »Cayleryc
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 6:31pmLeft the Methodist Church 6 years ago to become Catholic. Never would go back.
Report Post »vennoye
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 6:34pm@Okie from Muskogee
Report Post »Sorry, I did not answer what you asked. Jeremiah 3:8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also. (House of Israel-Northern Kingdom-10 tribes split after Solomon died.) Jesus died to redeem and reconcile the House of Israel back to God (as well as anyone else who believed on him) That is why Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. The book of Hosea is the story of the redemption of the House of Israel. Hosea (GOD) and Gomer(House of Israel) in chapter 1 & 2 is an analogy of how God was going to treat them by what he told Hosea to name them. The rest of the book is about the restoration back to him and back to the land for them any everyone grafted into them through faith.
GETLIFE
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 6:34pmAnother massive misread. Their reasoning sounds superficial and hollow. There is more to this story than meets the eye.
Report Post »Pelling1020
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 6:36pmHold on BIOHAZARD23 !!!!!!
Even though the UM church puts the bad on Isreal, you may not want to slide back to Catholic dogma. Remember good ‘ole’ Galileo and the earth is round? Well take a look at the webb below. Looks like the Pope may want to bless global warming!
http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1101834.htm
Report Post »Wolf
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 6:40pmI have an anti-UMC message… Read Revelation.
Report Post »ANTISOCIAL-IST
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 6:50pmjust because you have “rev.” in front of your name doesn‘t mean you have any clue as to what you’re talking about.
Report Post »thelonious
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 6:54pmI used to belong to a Methodist Church. They were way more open-minded socially and compassionate towards other “faiths” than the Catholic church I attended beforehand. ALL these cosmic wars are indefensible on both sides. Jesus only “died for your sins” because your parents shuttled you to sunday school. ALL religion is geographic. Wake up and smell the allegories. Treat your neighbors with respect (Israel). Don’t defend the persecution of a people because their parents raised them under a different book. Religion is going extinct. Secularism and Science will breed and infect the planet in the 21st century!!
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 7:08pmVennoye:
I find your understanding interesting to say the least…
Yes Israel was taken into to captivity for refusing God…Never heard from again.
Judah taken by the Babylonians and released rebuilt the Temple as proclaimed by the Bible…To set the way for the last sacrifice, Jesus…Upon Christ’s dying and rising he was still rejected by most of the Jewish descendants. So instead of just Jewish people hearing the Gospel, the whole world could…Thus all those accepting Christ are grafted into his tree, those who do not are not of God…
Please quote where we should support territorial Israel from the Bible or that God will create it as a State since Judaism rejects Christ..
Report Post »poverty.sucks
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 7:17pmThe body of Christ is in need of the 1.16 billion Catholics. Does that number include illegal immigrants? How can the Roman Catholic church rectify salvation?
Report Post »Guerrino_P
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 7:36pmSince when is fairness in the Middle East anti-Israeli?
Report Post »ZeitgeistBuster
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 8:15pmThe UMC is committing the same sin that the Church of God committed in the second and third centuries when a certain faction of it fell for the temptation offered to it by the Roman Emperor Constantine of becoming a “Queen on Earth” at his side… and that sin is compromising your duty to God to prepare his people with the character to live forever and perverting it with entanglements with the “cares of this world” in the form of political activism.
The second century is when, by the way, that the faction of the Church of God which united with the Roman Empire started calling itself in an arrogant fashion the “Universal” or “Catholic” Church of God. That is also when it started out after all of the other congregations of the Church of God which did not go along with uniting with the Roman emperor, to try to stamp them out of existence, because they insisted that it would be disobeying God Himself to do so, because Jesus told them to hold fast and to wait for HIM to return with His father’s kingdom.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 8:20pmShiloh, or as we call Him today, “Jesus,” came as prophecied and all the people did in fact gather to Him as both Scripture and history record. In Hosea 2:23 the Lord states, “…I will sow her unto me in the earth; and I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy; and I will say to them which were not my people, Thou art my people; and they shall say, Thou art my God.”
At one time the Gentiles were not considered the people of God. In fact they were considered unclean by the Jewish nation. But after Jesus worked, died, resurrected and ascended, three and a half years later probation ended for the Jewish nation as Daniel the prophet predicted would happen 490 years after Jerusalem was allowed to be rebuilt in 457BC. Peter then received the vision of the sheet coming down three times which he later translates and explains to Cornelius in Acts 10:28. He explains that the Lord was declaring the three Gentile men knocking on his door at that moment were now cleansed and to be considered God’s people and worthy of the Holy Spirit.
When Jesus first arrived and started to share His Gospel truth, most of the leaders of the physical nation of Israel rejected Him, and as we can see today, that same physical nation still rejects Him, yet we find Jesus has been accepted by what that same nation still calls Gentiles in every other nation. His Gospel message has spread world wide just as He prophecied it would.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 8:27pmContinued:1
The prophetic statement declared in Genesis and Hosea is also repeated by Jesus Christ Himself in Matthew 21:43 when He is speaking to the Jews. He clearly says that, “The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”
A few chapters later in Romans 9:6-8 it says that, “…they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.”
In other words, you are not guaranteed Heaven simply because you are born into a Jewish family. Peering into this reality at its base elements, a family is nothing more then a flesh generated unit. It is not a spiritual entity claiming spiritual things. It’s just a family name. As Christians we know that the “flesh” has no claim on Christ, nor can it ever lay claim because John 4:24 says “God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.“ ”For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.” (Romans 8:5) “For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.”
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 8:29pmContinued:2
(Galatians 5:17) Only those that understand, profess, and believe the promise can be called heirs and citizens of Israel. Galatians 3:29 says that “if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.” What is this promise you ask? Galatians 3:14 says, “That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.”
And finally, Galatians 3:26-29 says, “For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
It was believed by physical Israel that to be Israel was a birthright and beyond the grasp of all those outside their camp. Yet here we see Paul clearly stating that all that claim Christ Lord are of Abraham’s seed and heirs according to the promise. Paul tells them it doesn’t matter if you’re a Jew or a Greek, bond or free, or even male or female. He was explicit so as to erase all doubt regarding the age old tradition brought on by the Pharisees regarding their assumed God given heavenly ethnicity.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 8:31pmContinued:3
Paul plainly says if you follow CHRIST, then you are of Abraham’s seed. According to the Pharisee of old, to be of Abraham’s seed simply means you are ISRAEL.
It’s recorded in Mark 12:1-12, “And he began to speak unto them by parables. A certain man planted a vineyard, and set an hedge about it, and digged a place for the winefat, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country. And at the season he sent to the husbandmen a servant, that he might receive from the husbandmen of the fruit of the vineyard. And they caught him, and beat him, and sent him away empty. And again he sent unto them another servant; and at him they cast stones, and wounded him in the head, and sent him away shamefully handled. And again he sent another; and him they killed, and many others; beating some, and killing some. Having yet therefore one son, his wellbeloved, he sent him also last unto them, saying, They will reverence my son. But those husbandmen said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and the inheritance shall be ours. And they took him, and killed him, and cast him out of the vineyard. What shall therefore the lord of the vineyard do? he will come and destroy the husbandmen, and will give the vineyard unto others. And have ye not read this scripture; The stone which the builders rejected is become the head of the corner: This was the Lord’s doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 8:34pmContinued:4
And they sought to lay hold on him, but feared the people: for they knew that he had spoken the parable against them: and they left him, and went their way.”
Jesus clearly stated the Jews would loose their favored nation status, but not because of the way they ridiculed, harmed and even killed the prophets of old when the Lord sent them to share His Truth with them and all men. For if it was for this reason, Jesus the Son of God would never have come to them to share the Gospel message in the first place. They were about to kill Him, even though this was just a thought running through their minds for now. The sad thing here is these men of the cloth understood the parable Jesus just shared because the Scriptures clearly say here that THEY KNEW He was speaking of them. They knew the certain man in the parable was God, they knew the vineyard was the Jewish nation, they knew the hedge was the Law of God and their keeping it was the reason God protected them, they knew the tower was the Temple, they knew husbandmen were themselves, they knew the servants were the prophets they harmed and killed in the past and they knew the far country was Heaven. They even knew when Messiah would come He would seek the fruits of their labors for Him. But they had no idea the Son of God was standing before them at that moment. Had they not feared the people, they would have taken Him outside the vineyard at that time and killed Him.
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Zeus In A Speedo
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 8:37pmEveryone…please settle down!!!
I am Catholic, but I hold great respect for Lutherans, LDS, other Christian denominations, and my Jewish brothers and sisters. WE NEED TO COME TOGETHER. It does no good tearing each other apart. All Christian denoms (including my Catholic faith) have made mistakes in the past because they are led by men.
Evil and wickedness is in full force in the world right now…more than any time I have lived in. Let’s respect one another and realize we all share one, universal principle…THAT JESUS CHRIST IS OUR LORD AND SAVIOR.
Let’s pray that our UMC brother and sisters will change there stance and side with Israel.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 8:46pmRead your Bibles…
No where does God wanting you to fight a war over territorial Israel…No where is Israel any more special then the dirt beneath your feet….
Study history to understand who created Israel today and why…See what promises were made, why and what promises were kept and weren’t kept and why….Look yourself…Upon doing so you will see who hasn’t kept their word, broke promises and the whole purpose of the Israel “defense” promotion going on….
Vengeance is the Lord’s…..
Report Post »ZeitgeistBuster
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 8:54pm@Okie
I’m sure you will agree that what happened to Ancient Israel is instructive for followers of Jesus. I see a lot of “once saved always saved” hype going around.
Heb 3:8 Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
Heb 3:9 When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.
Heb 3:10 Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
Heb 3:11 So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)
Heb 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
What is the correct response to spiritual problems and lethargy?
Heb 3:13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Even the church can suffer the judgement God rendered against Ancient Israel:
Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
But does this mean that God is done with physical Israel? I hope you are not suggesting that, because the Bible contradicts that conclusion!
Report Post »dr_funk
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 8:58pmWe are witnessing the death of the mainline protestant denominations. They’ve been appointing gay pastors, preaching praise for the progressive agenda from the pulpit, and now this.
They’re doing everything short of becoming secular unitarians.
Report Post »ZeitgeistBuster
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 9:07pm@OKIE
I also DO NOT go along with the spirit of those who wish to destroy the modern state of Israel. I shudder to think of what is going to happen to them when God executes judgments against the nations beginning shortly before the return of Christ.
God is very clear that whatever standard you have used for judging others WILL BE the standard he uses when YOU have to be judged. So all of those who have been calling for the destruction of Israel and for Israel to be pushed into and drowned in the Ocean have an AWESOME day of reckoning coming.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 9:07pmZeus in a Speedo
If Jesus Christ is your Savior then leave the Catholic Church and follow his commandments…
The God of the Catholic Church and the God of my faith are not the same…In fact my faith teaches the Catholic Church as the Anti-Christ and can prove it with God’s words and a history book…Coming together with those who do not believe as you is not what God says to do….Even the demons of the Gospel believed in Christ but they are not saved…
I believe in God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost and follow his commandments….
I‘m not here to bash you but I am here to speak truth from God’s Word….If you look in God’s word you will find all the contradictions with in your “faith”…Please do that….
@Funk
Report Post »The Protestant churches that turned Roman are falling like flies…It‘s what happens when you don’t preach God’s word…
PAMELAFARR
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 9:08pmLooks as if the Methodists have forgotten the Old Testament, oh yes and the New…. Remember the “Chosen People”? I do. I STAND WITH ISREAL.
and yes I used to attend a Methodist Church…. as did Hillary Clinton. How is that working for US?
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 9:20pm@zeitgeitbuster
No I‘m not saying an Israeli or Jewish person can’t be saved for all can be saved by believing in Christ and keeping his commandments…Romans 9 or 10 I believe tells us just that…
As for the physical Israel, the dirt, God has no purpose for it…What purpose or need is there today for it? Especially to give to those who deny Christ…
Islam is not the “anti-Christ” either, they are the 3 woes…
Papal Rome is the Anti-Christ…Killed more Christians (tribulation) then any other in history…Reformation tells us this…Counter-Reformation by Catholics began lie of 7 year tribulation to distract…History doesn’t lie…
Mohamed was married to a Catholic who helped write Quran…Odd isn‘t it Islam was partially created by a Catholic who’s Catholic church starts lie of 7 year tribulation, which isn’t in Bible, and is exact transverse of Islam..Kind of like trying to make a lie truth….Satan is deceitful…
Report Post »ZeitgeistBuster
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 9:21pm@GUERRINO_P
“Since when is fairness in the Middle East anti-Israeli?”
Uh, what are you referring to as “fairness”? Is Israel offering to build hospitals and modern apartment complexes and Universities for the Palestinians “unfair”?
Or is the vested interests of the rest of the Arab world that prevents Israel from helping the Palestinians unfair?
I contend that the abuse of the Palestinians by the Arab world is where most people have a gigantic blind spot. This is what i think is “unfair”; the interference by the rest of the Arab world in the internal matters of the Palestinians.
Report Post »vennoye
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 9:27pm@Okie from Muskogee
Report Post »In the end, the US will not be in a position to “save” Israel. The Bible says that God himself will do it.
But the conflict over the land is not a conflict between the Jews and Ismael/Esau’s descendents, it is a conflict between God and I/E’s descendents. When you go back to Genesis, God & Jesus made the covenant themself.
Zec 12:7 The LORD also shall save the tents of Judah first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem do not magnify themselves against Judah. Zec 12:8 In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them. {feeble: or, abject: Heb. fallen} Zec 12:9 ¶ And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
This is when the House of Judah will recognize Jesus as their Messiah…..all done in God’s timing. But, everyone in the land right now will not turn out to be one of God‘s children and most Christians don’t realize they are grafted into the Hou
Okie from Muskogee
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 9:28pmzeitgeitbuster
Quote God’s would as to why he needs Israel today, the dirt…..
I do not want Israel destroyed nor do I care if it is…
What is the difference in Israel, Libya, Antarctica, Europe, Etc? NOTHING
Those saying we must protect Israel are saying we should because they are “God’s chosen people” when in fact they are not chosen since they rejected Christ! Israel today is just as godless as Muslims today, both reject Christ and both will be rejected by Christ…The same excuse used by the pharisees is being used again when the Bible says opposite…….
I‘m ready for God’s judgement…I follow God’s commandments and repent upon my short fallings…What commandments do you follow?
Report Post »ZeitgeistBuster
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 9:36pm@ OKIE
I am glad to hear your conviction!
“I‘m ready for God’s judgement…I follow God’s commandments and repent upon my short fallings…What commandments do you follow?”
Matthew 4:4 “Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.” So the commandments I follow are the will of God, which I humbly allow Him to define.
Report Post »vennoye
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 9:48pmOkie from Muskogee
Report Post »Sorry, ran out of characters. Ge 15:17 ¶ And it came to pass, that, when the sun went down, and it was dark, behold a smoking furnace(God), and a burning lamp (God’s word that became Jesus) that passed between those pieces. {a burning…: Heb. a lamp of fire} Ge 15:18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:
So, God and his word (Jesus) made the covenant with Abraham themselves. An everlasting covenant.
So anyone trying to divide that land and Jerusalem is trying to break God’s everlasting covenant land. That is why, when they divide it, there will be ramifications. There is a website that you may find interesting–I don’t agree with everything, but it has a lot of information http://www.britam.org/
Vixvenom
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 10:00pm@Okie
That’s what I was saying…UMC falling away…not remembering God’s word. I just used far fewer words than you.
Report Post »ZeitgeistBuster
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 10:01pm@vennoye and OKIE:
There is more to the story. All of the tribes of Israel (including Judah – the Jews) will play a key role in the thousand year rein of Christ on the Earth. The Old Testament is absolutely BRIMMING with details about their role after Christ’s return.
Lookup the second exodus. Don’t have time to quote it to you now, but the modern state of Israel WILL be destroyed and scattered, but all of the rest of the Israelites who don’t know their ancestory will also be destroyed… But they will all be brought back to the land of Israel after Christ returns and their captors are destroyed.
Look up remnant, and look up where God says he will extend his arm to recover the remant of Israel “the SECOND TIME”.
Report Post »NeoFan
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 10:14pmNo matter what the Methodist embraces you will never heard it said that it is a “Cult”. This status is only reserved for the extremely evil.
Report Post »Bob_R_OathKeeper
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 10:16pmOkie from Muskogee – It’s not the “dirt” I’m concerned about, it‘s the lives of people I’ll fight for, people who have the power to destroy everyone around them, yet they don’t while constantly being attacked by dirty pigs who follow Islam. This goes for anyone who attacks peaceful people.
Report Post »Libertyluvnmomma
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 10:21pmwith all this spiritual keyboard commanding going on I’m wonder who is being served.
Report Post »Fed anyone hungry today?-(personally) anyone can write a check like the pagans do.
Cared for a widow this week?
Wiped away tears of the lost?
Okie from Muskogee
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 10:31pmVennoye
I appreciate your dialogue even disagreeing, for at least your willing to question and your trying to use God’s word as an answer but I do not believe you are correct…I will research the teachings of the site…
Hasn’t Israel been divided for quite some time now? In fact when hasn’t it, since Christ, been divided? He protected Jerusalem until his Word was fulfilled, Christ…
He prophesied that Tyre would lose its power over the sea – Zechariah 9:3-4
He prophesied that the Messiah would enter Jerusalem while riding on a donkey – Zechariah 9:9
He prophesied the betrayal of Jesus for thirty pieces of silver – Zechariah 11:12-13
He prophesied the crucifixion of Jesus – Zechariah 12:10
Those who believe in Jesus Christ and keep his commandments are Israel..
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 10:45pm@Zeitgeitbuster
Sorry buddy but Christ won’t be reigning on Earth a 1000 years…That is another lie created during the counter-reformation…
See upon the last remaining Trumpet after this current Woe, Christ returns, slaughters the wicked, raises the dead in Christ and those keeping his faith and commandments are transformed and we go the New Jerusalem. Satan is then bound with boredom for 1000 years on Earth, no one is here, and upon the completion of 1000 years New Jerusalem comes down to Earth and the wicked dead are risen and with Satan loose he sends them after the tree of life found in the middle of New Jerusalem…When surrounding the Saints and holy city hellfire comes down and devours them to exist no more…Satan is cast out and God creates everything new….
Hell isn’t a place…Only those believing in Christ and keeping commandments have ETERNAL life…Therefore someone can’t eternally live in fire….What more would Satan want then just that…
Learn Greek or use google to see that “bound” doesn’t mean tied up…It is also used in the Bible once before which helps understand this…
Learn the truth and read your Bible…
Report Post »poverty.sucks
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 10:53pmOkie your wisdom is much appreciated. Thank you!
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 10:56pmBob r oath keeper writes:
“Okie from Muskogee – It’s not the “dirt” I’m concerned about, it‘s the lives of people I’ll fight for, people who have the power to destroy everyone around them, yet they don’t while constantly being attacked by dirty pigs who follow Islam. This goes for anyone who attacks peaceful people.”
So you will fight with the Israeli’s because Islam is persecuting them?Sorry, if Israel has the power to stop the Arabs, they would have…They know once they start a war they will be devoured by all Arab countries and incite a nuclear war…
Will you fight with the Syrians who have been killed by their President? Or in Riwanda where many innocent people have been killed? What about the innocent life being killed at the abortion clinic? Or the Mexicans being killed by the Cartels while being smuggled across the boarder?
I think you will be fighting because you‘ve believed that same lie of the Pharisee’s, that Jewish people are chosen by God and deserve that land…Only those who believe in Christ are of Abraham’s seed….Have a great night.
Report Post »Czar Casm
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 11:01pmJumping in here with a few points.
Make sure your pastor’s surmons and teachings are about the Bible and what the Bible tells us about our salvation, our walk in the Lord, our role as a believer. Our pastor does not ever talk politics from the pulpit. Although outside the church building he may have some opinions but as one who is aware of his role as pastor it’s all about individual salvation and growth in the faith. Not as a holier than thou hypocrite but in the spirit of love. (I get tested alot on that spirit of love part) :)
Israel isn’t sinless obviously, but it is key to watch Israel as an indicator of where the times are in relation to prophesy.
As an individual you can support this, that or the other depending on your knowledge or ignorance but as an organization like UMC or other religions, their function is to teach the word in the spirit of Christ. Period.
Report Post »Bob_R_OathKeeper
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 11:15pmOkie from Muskogee – It’s crystal clear now that you are just an anti-Semite. I’ll fight for anyone who does not follow Islam, Muslims fighting Muslims does not bother me one bit, unless it spills over to us or our allies. As for the rest, are they being attacked by people who say they must all be destroyed? Even Satan knows the Bible word for word and will use it for his purposes, you just might be one of those purposes and you wouldn’t even know it. I see who you really are now but I don’t hate you, you just need prayers.
Report Post »PatriotsLikeMe
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 11:19pmOkie you SUCK!! Put that in your bible and smoke it!
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 11:33pmThe oath keeper writes:
“Okie from Muskogee – It’s crystal clear now that you are just an anti-Semite. I’ll fight for anyone who does not follow Islam, Muslims fighting Muslims does not bother me one bit, unless it spills over to us or our allies. As for the rest, are they being attacked by people who say they must all be destroyed? Even Satan knows the Bible word for word and will use it for his purposes, you just might be one of those purposes and you wouldn’t even know it. I see who you really are now but I don’t hate you, you just need prayers”
So what reason am I Anti-Semite? For telling you what God’s word says….. Israel is those who believe in Christ and follow his commandments…
It‘s obvious you can’t articulate your point and when the holes were exposed you lower yourself to call names as a distraction….Does this make you progressive?
You said you will fight for anyone not following Islam, after saying you will fight for all innocents…So you would fight for Satan as long as he doesn’t worship Allah? Islam worships a false God just as Israel worships a false God….Neither believe in Christ….Do you? And yes, Satan obviously does quote the Bible..
Report Post »Stand by Israel
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 11:34pmDoes the Methodist church not read their bibles anymore? I went to a Methodist church as a young child and we use to study from the bible. I guess it must be too old fashioned for them now. “And I will bless those that bless you and curse the one who curses you. And in you shall all families of the earth be blessed.? “
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 11:38pmPatriostLikeMe writes:
“Okie you SUCK!! Put that in your bible and smoke it!”
Is this how all Catholics speak? Thank you for clearly showing who you are and what is in your heart…
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 11:44pmChurches are prohibited by tax laws from speaking politics, not because the Bible forbids it…Thus the reason Glenn Beck began the black robes regime….For a long time Churches did preach against politics or policies that contradicted God’s Word…To control these Churches tax breaks were agreed to for them shutting up…Thus the reason the Churches have fallen away and accepted the world…The second Beast had to control them some how and thru money they did just that….
Report Post »missionarydad
Posted on May 14, 2011 at 11:48pmIf you have come to a fork in the road as pertaining to your church, to quote Yogi Berra, “take it”. No seriously if you find yourself at the crossroads that is actually a good thing as the Lord has a bigger work for you to do and it is time to start a search. I would suggest that you just start looking into all of the churches and begin attending a different one each Sunday and do not exclude any and above all pray and ask Heavenly Father to lead and direct your path and show you what he would have you to do. This is a very important decision and must be made on your knees putting your full faith in Jesus Christ.
Report Post »Bob_R_OathKeeper
Posted on May 15, 2011 at 12:03amOkie from Muskogee – I see you are already putting words into my mouth, I never said, “innocents” I said, “peaceful” That’s exactly what I meant too, Islam is not peaceful, the one they follow is the antithesis of peace. Please don’t think for one second that I believe all Jewish people are above reproach, they are as split as we are. Israel is the only thing that resembles a democracy surrounded by a sea of hate and oppression.
Report Post »lobster
Posted on May 15, 2011 at 12:25amWe vwere asked to leave the Methodist Church the year after we found Jesus as Lord and Savior. This doesn’t suprise me one bit. That was in 1972. The leopard has not changed his spots. Like the saying goes,“ Not new poop just new flies”.
Report Post »Al J Zira
Posted on May 15, 2011 at 12:36am@Biohazaed23
Looks like I’ll have to go back to the Catholic church………
Don’t do that. The Catholic Chuch isn’t far begind.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on May 15, 2011 at 12:37amOath Keeper
Yup I typed innocent instead of peaceful…Respectfully my mistake…I would argue they are close to one in the same but that is irrelevant…
I do ask you oath keeper, if someone breaks their word, their promise or doesn’t keep their oath to you if you would become upset? By honoring your oath keeping with your name I’ll believe you would…
Here is the point:
We, myself included at one time, have been taught that Israel must be protected for they are God’s people…The Pharisees, Jewish, believed Israel was their promised land thru Abraham and needed not to accept Christ, they would inherit that land no matter what…The Word of God says the opposite, it says only those believing in Jesus are God’s people, are of Abraham’s seed….So today we have Jewish people proclaiming that is my land because God promised it to me thru Abraham, same as the Pharisees of before…Both untruthful….
If Israel was a Democracy then shouldn’t they allow all in their borders to vote? They allow Israeli’s only to vote…
Look how many times since Balfour declaration a promise for a Palestinian state was broken upon giving their word of creating one and signing it…
I’m not pro Muslim nor Israeli, both reject Christ…I believe it is their business, not Americans…Looking at how each side has been used one can clearly understand why both sides are upset…If your gonna fight, at least know why and what for.
Report Post »Bob_R_OathKeeper
Posted on May 15, 2011 at 1:02amOkie from Muskogee – You apparently believe you are, “all knowing”, good for you, I’ll follow my heart and will be judged accordingly. There is no one on this green earth that has all the answers and when I encounter someone who thinks they do, I get quite suspicious. I’ll put my faith in the Lord and his Father to guide me, that’s all I can do. Good luck and God Bless.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on May 15, 2011 at 1:16amOath Keeper
Please do not put words in my mouth, I don’t know all…I‘m simply telling you God’s word…These are not my words, they are God’s and can be found in the Bible….
The Bible does have all answers, that is why God created it and tells us to follow it…That is why I am here telling you it, I’m commanded to, it’s my duty, the oath I keep to God…Read God‘s word Bob and see he doesn’t want you fighting in his name or defending someone proclaiming to be his people who are not…See that Israel today is nothing but man’s mess and distraction….Maybe our Father has led you to talking with me tonight and hearing God’s word for you to see his truth….
If you could defend your taught position you would….Read your Bible Bob….Stay safe and have a great night…
Report Post »S G Applebee
Posted on May 15, 2011 at 1:29amStill waiting to be refuted:
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Bob_R_OathKeeper
Posted on May 15, 2011 at 1:29amOkie from Muskogee – You are telling me your interpretation of the Bible, a man’s interpretation, man who is fallible. Good Night.
Report Post »Bob_R_OathKeeper
Posted on May 15, 2011 at 1:42amOkie from Muskogee – One more thing, it’s sounds quite presumptuous to think God led me to you, maybe it’s the other way around, but know one here really knows, now do they?
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on May 15, 2011 at 2:06amBob oath keeper
I can open God’s word right now and show you word for word with the Bible translating and interpreting itself…No man is needed at all…Can you say the same for your words?
The Bible doesn’t need a man to “interpret” it, the Bible does that itself…
I do not believe God led me to you for you to preach an earthly doctrine of war, killing….You being led to someone quoting the Bible is more logical wouldn’t you say, or I was led to you to quote the word, either way I suppose…There is only one of us quoting God’s word Bob..
Report Post »TruthLover
Posted on May 15, 2011 at 2:57amWoah. Folks it is TIME to be paying attention to your church’s position on many things. If your church or its association is making decisions like this – I’d suggest you remove your name from their membership (not just stop going) and find yourself a church with sound doctrine. Don’t excuse our church because of a good preacher – this is one baby that needs to go out with the bathwater. Read Revelations folks. The letters to the churches – He’s talking to us now, as much as if not more than the churches then. The writing is on the proverbial wall – and on the Blaze. What will you do?
Report Post »TruthLover
Posted on May 15, 2011 at 2:57amWoah. Folks it is TIME to be paying attention to your church’s position on many things. If your church or its association is making decisions like this – I’d suggest you remove your name from their membership (not just stop going) and find yourself a church with sound doctrine. Don’t excuse your church because of a good preacher – this is one baby that needs to go out with the bathwater. Read Revelations folks. The letters to the churches – He’s talking to us now, as much as if not more than the churches then. The writing is on the proverbial wall – and on the Blaze. What will you do?
Report Post »ZeitgeistBuster
Posted on May 15, 2011 at 5:26amOk OKIE,
You may not read this now that I’m back, but regarding the thousand year Reign of Christ ON the earth, let’s pull together Revelation, Matthew, Acts and Zechariah.
You may be surprized to find that it is you who needs to blow the dust off your Bible and read it a little more carefully, because the Bible CONTRADICTS your narrative!
“@Zeitgeitbuster
Sorry buddy but Christ won’t be reigning on Earth a 1000 years…That is another lie created during the counter-reformation…
See upon the last remaining Trumpet after this current Woe, Christ returns, slaughters the wicked, raises the dead in Christ and those keeping his faith and commandments are transformed and we go the New Jerusalem. Satan is then bound with boredom for 1000 years on Earth, no one is here, and upon the completion of 1000 years New Jerusalem comes down to Earth and the wicked dead are risen and with Satan loose he sends them after the tree of life found in the middle of New Jerusalem…When surrounding the Saints and holy city hellfire comes down and devours them to exist no more…Satan is cast out and God creates everything new….
Hell isn’t a place…Only those believing in Christ and keeping commandments have ETERNAL life…Therefore someone can’t eternally live in fire….What more would Satan want then just that…
Learn Greek or use google to see that “bound” doesn’t mean tied up…It is also used in the Bible once before which helps understand this…
Report Post »Polwatcher
Posted on May 15, 2011 at 5:33amThe only thing that makes sense in this is that the many self hating Christians might well love Muslims better than their Jewish cultural cousins. Only a Christian dope would not see the evil written into the Koran.
Report Post »ZeitgeistBuster
Posted on May 15, 2011 at 5:44am@ OKIE part 2.
The idea of reigning on the earth with Christ comes from the Bible, not the Counter-Reformation.
Rev. 20:4 “And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.”
Where will they be reigning for this thousand years (and beyond too)?
Rev 5:9 “And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
Report Post »Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: AND WE SHALL REIGN ON THE EARTH.”
ZeitgeistBuster
Posted on May 15, 2011 at 5:45am@ OKIE part 3.
When Christ returns and resurrects the saints both dead and living, and they rise to meet him in the air, WHERE do they go from there? You say the New Jerusalem. The Bible says they go to the Mount of Olives where the disciples saw Jesus taken up into heaven after his resurrection. We find this in TWO places:
First:
Act 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
Act 1:10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
Act 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
Act 1:12 Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day’s journey.
Second:
Report Post »Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
ZeitgeistBuster
Posted on May 15, 2011 at 5:46am@ OKIE Part 4.
And since we are already in Zechariah 14, let’s read the new practices God will teach people in the different nations living ON THE EARTH AFTER Christ destroys those who are gathered to fight against him by almost instant disintegration.
Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
Zec 14:18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
So the Biblical narrative is somewhat different than what you have believed. This COULD BE the starting point for a deeper understanding of God’s plan if….. IF you are humble enough to throw away pet denominational teaching and if you are BRAVE enough to face error and repent.
Don’t change just because someone says so. Be a bulldog about what you believe. But don’t be dumb either… swallow the bitter pill of pride when you are actually PROVEN to have been wrong.
Report Post »HairOfTheDogSob
Posted on May 15, 2011 at 7:40am…Amazingly Ignorant of Gods Promise to Abraham and Sarah…and The 1967 borders…..if you searchfor truth in Gods Word…Methodist church is off the list…One thing I personaly would do with this false preacher…..mop the floor with him
Report Post »stormcrow53
Posted on May 15, 2011 at 7:58amReading all these comments all I can say is if there is a God, God must be weeping.
Report Post »Meyvn
Posted on May 15, 2011 at 8:06amI don’t like the denominational thing in general so I study independently. I have attended both Catholic and Protestant churches, but I have always steered clear of the Methodists. Their treatment of Israel is one of the reasons why. They also tend to believe that the Church replaces Israel in regard to prophecy. Both of which are fatally wrong.
Report Post »bread and circuses
Posted on May 15, 2011 at 8:15am@OKIE
I know exactly what church you belong to:
“If you can’t tell them the truth, then try to bury them in BS”
ROFLMAO
Report Post »bread and circuses
Posted on May 15, 2011 at 8:41amsome REAL FACTS about The Bible:
1) ANY translation of the old and new testaments of The Bible contain over 40,000 errors
2) The Bible may have been written by God, but, it was the “first church” whose pharisees spent decades haggling over which writings would be included. The True Bible has, at least, twice as many words as what is currently considered The Bible.
3) NEVER get into an argument with a fool, other people may NOT be able to tell the difference.
I have several other arguments, but I will follow #3 above
Report Post »Meyvn
Posted on May 15, 2011 at 8:44am@S G Applebee
Posted on May 15, 2011 at 1:29am
Still waiting to be refuted: http://youtu.be/Vyah-d7zvC0...
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There is nothing to be refuted. I support Israel because God says to and also because they deserve my support. The guy in the video says supporting Israel costs money & lives, miffs Muslims, etc. He is correct. But it doesn’t make supporting Israel wrong or bad policy. Folks that choose not support Israel just to placate Muslims, put money in their pockets, and to feel safe, are the kind of folks that WILL accept the Mark of the Beast. A very short lived victory for them.
Choose wisely.
Report Post »popj59
Posted on May 15, 2011 at 9:27amI will no longer be a memeber of the UMC
Report Post »kate123
Posted on May 15, 2011 at 9:35amThe separation of church and state no longer exists – Between religious statements/beliefs like this and the churches who believe in the governments idea of social justice (taxing for charity v charitible donotaion) religion is becoming another arm of the government. I have recently noticed “God and Government” in the news – I find this very scary – it will soon be “Government and God” and eventually “Government”…..
Report Post »ZeitgeistBuster
Posted on May 15, 2011 at 10:35amBREAD AND CIRCUSES,
40,000 errors in any translation of the Bible? You are bloviating. There are ONLY just over 31,000 verses in the entire Bible. Look, I get it… you don’t like the Bible…. cool with me. But if you don’t want to be shot out of the air so easily, dont’ make yourself such an easy target.
Besides, the Dead Sea Scrolls put that whole “filled with errors” argument to rest decades ago. Before the Dead Sea Scrolls were found, the earliest copy of Isaiah came from the late middle ages, just a few hundred years ago.
A complete scroll of Isaiah from the Dead Sea dating to just before the time of Christ is technically an exact copy of the Hebrew text used to translate from in the Middle Ages. An entire science was developed by the Levitical Priesthood when it came to making copies of the Torah, the Writings, and the Psalms.
Every letter had to be copied one by one. No letter was allowed to be written from memory. The copiest had to bathe and put on fresh clothes before each session of work. When the copy was made, a count was made of the number of letters in the book, and the middle letter was counted out…. if these details were wrong, the copy was destroyed and the process was started again.
Such accounting controls explain the precision and agreement found between the UNOFFICIAL copies made by the religious group living in the Dead Sea and the Hebrew text available in the middle ages. People were careful and meticulous about makin
Report Post »betterthantv
Posted on May 15, 2011 at 10:41am@THEGREYPIPER Why should POVERTY shut up? Whether we like to admit it or not, there is a lot of truth in what he said. As a regular church going Christian I have no problem with what he said. The church is simply a place for fellowship. NOT a pathway to heaven!
Report Post »marybethelizabeth
Posted on May 15, 2011 at 11:12amCan I Tell You Something?
Report Post »We could be a true friend to Israel. A true friend is one who would tell you when you are doing something wrong.
It is wrong to take what is not yours, as Israel has done. It does not make you more secure. It only increases and legitimizes your enemies.
It is wrong to say you will do something and do the opposite, as Israel has done. It does not make you more secure. It only increases and legitimizes your enemies.
The current State of Israel was created by a World Governmental body; something most of the readers of this website oppose. It is serving it’s purpose well.
Mr. Beck and others like him are acting as spokesmen for the Masters of War.There will never be peace if Israel continues it’s present course.
Supporting Israel’s current policies is supporting perpetual war. That is something that is not good for our friend Israel.
Okie from Muskogee
Posted on May 15, 2011 at 12:42pmZeitgeist buster
I‘m going over your posts and I’ll reply to your thoughts….I do ask when I use God‘s word and show you the holes in your story that you do not become mad at me and that we can debate and use God’s word as the final answer….So I’ll get started and hopefully we both agree to the truth…
Report Post »poverty.sucks
Posted on May 15, 2011 at 1:19pm@Patriots Like Me – Matthew 1:25 King James Version, And knew her not till she had brought forth her FIRSTBORN son: and he called his name JESUS.
This passage conludes, upon giving birth Mary is no longer a virgin. The Virgin Mary hoopla was made up in the 4th century. And further more, firstborn means, there’s more children coming. James, Joseph (Jr), Simon, Judas & sisters (plural).
Why is glory given to your holy father the pope? He’s not my father. ALL the GLORY is to be given to HIM, God our father, not another flesh. Catholic is an other membership driven cause for money which in turns, lies to its members claiming they are saved. No different than current day United Methodist.
Therefore I’m still on subject matter pertaining to the original post, a brother desire to return to Catholic church. Why did he leave before? How does the Pope handle this?
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on May 15, 2011 at 2:12pmzeitgeeistbuster
First let‘s understand these aren’t my words or yours, they are God‘s and to interpret God’s word we will use God’s word…Second, none of this is an attack but a search for the truth of the Word…And this story of Jesus needing to reign on Earth came from the Pharisees, not counter reformation as I typed for some reason…Since the Pharisees did not accept Jesus they preached his coming to reign a 1000 years…Look for yourself…
Rev. 20:4 “And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.”
This clearly states we will reign with Christ 1000 years but does it say where? Let’s figure out where by going in order….
The second coming….
John 14:1-3, “Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.”
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on May 15, 2011 at 2:13pmcontinued 1
Matthew 24:30-31, “And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.”
Resurrection of the righteous…
1 Thessalonians 4:16, “For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:”
1 Corinthians 15:51-53, “Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.”
First the dead Christians are raised. Then…
Translation of the righteous living:
1 Thessalonians 4:17, “Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”
This clearly says we go UP to Jesus, doesn’t it? Yes it does..
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on May 15, 2011 at 2:16pmContinued 2
The wicked living are slain..
Revelation 19:11-18, “And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.”
Christ slays the wicked, everyone and leaves them for the birds to eat…I doubt Christ would reign on Earth a 1000 years while birds eat rotting dead bodies…
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on May 15, 2011 at 2:22pmContinued 4
Jeremiah 25:33, “And the slain of the LORD shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth: they shall not be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried; they shall be dung upon the ground.”
He can’t tempt anyone because they are all DEAD! They are BIRD FOOD!
Summary:
Christ comes
Good dead are taken
Living Good meet him in clouds
Wicked are slain
Satan is bound with nothing to tempt
Fowl of the air eat the dead unburied bodies of the wicked….
The wicked are raised
Revelation 20:5, “But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished..”.”
Satan is loose
Revelation 20:7, “And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,”
New Jerusalem comes to earth
Revelation 21:2, “And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.”
Revelation 21:3, “And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.”
Want to know where it will settle down?
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on May 15, 2011 at 2:24pmContinued 5
Zechariah 14:4-6, “And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south. And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.”
Notice the Saints are coming down…Do you know who the saints are? Those who believe in Christ and follow his commandments….We can’t come down if we never left as you say….
Wicked are destroyed
Revelation 20:9, “And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.”
Your story of Christ reigning on Earth 1000 years doesn’t fit the whole story…Sounds nice but it isn‘t factual from God’s word…I will use God’s word to explain those verses you posted…I do ask what you believe the Mark of Beast is…
Report Post »poverty.sucks
Posted on May 15, 2011 at 2:46pmMajority of posts oppose United Methodist for supporting Palestine and NOBODY is upset of what’s happening in our own country where Political Catholics will not stop illegal immigration from Mexico.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on May 15, 2011 at 2:53pmContinued 3
Satan bound:
Revelation 20:2-3, “And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.”
Bound = the same as saying “I’m all tied up, I can’t go with you.” It’s c-stances that will bound the Devil for the 1000 years. Reason this is true is, do you recall how the man possessed with “Legion” in Mark chapter five was able to snap chains that bound him in the graveyard outside of town? If a mere flesh and blood man has the ability to snap chains with Satan’s help, then nothing could bind Satan in this manner either, EXCEPT a removal of the ability to do as he wishes. Like those of us that are “all tied up” with work and unable to go someplace we desire. So, , and what are these c-stances that bind Satan from doing as he desires for the 1000 years?
Isaiah 24:1,3 “Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof. The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the LORD hath spoken this word.”
Report Post »fruitaco1
Posted on May 15, 2011 at 3:44pmhey poverty.sucks
Report Post »You clearly have no idea about the Catholic Church or its teaching. Please know what you‘re talking about before you post so you don’t look foolish to everyone else.
poverty.sucks
Posted on May 15, 2011 at 4:20pmHey Fruit Cup – there’s a flaw in your social behavior when you direct others based on how others may feel when you have no evidence on how they actually feel.
Eliminate the 3rd party and explain your own thoughts and feelings.
Report Post »Lucy Larue
Posted on May 15, 2011 at 5:17pmBIOHAZARD23,
Amen! Me too. These monster Methodists are the proverbial “WOLVES in SHEEP”S CLOTHING”.
Report Post »It sickens me.
ZeitgeistBuster
Posted on May 15, 2011 at 5:59pmOKIE,
Would love to continue this. my email is err_robinson at yahoo. Give me a shout.
Report Post »jbeyer3
Posted on May 15, 2011 at 6:14pmI started attending a non-denominational Christian church some years ago. Glad I did.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on May 15, 2011 at 6:32pm@Zietgietbuster
Email sent…
I will say publicly I appreciate your willingness to discuss God, whether agreeing or disagreeing…If we Americans actually civilly debated these things I believe we would know much more truths…Again thank you for your dialogue and I look forward to continuing via email…
Report Post »Beerbear
Posted on May 15, 2011 at 6:36pmAnd the Catholic church in Europe is helping with the islamisation, telling the people that islam is good for society since it brings god back into society.
Report Post »PatriotsLikeMe
Posted on May 15, 2011 at 10:32pmNo where in the Blaze is the rhetoric so contentious and, simultaneously oddly enough, downright boring than where the stories are centered around religion. You guys that post one long passage after another are soooo full of hot air that I doubt 10% of the people coming in here even read them. It has only served to make me more sure than ever that my general skepticism of organized religion is well-founded. Since time began men have killed multitudes in the name of their god. I especially enjoy the people in here who villanize particular religions claiming that they are responsible for all the evils of the world, from an influx of illegal immigrants across our borders here to the Islamification of Europe. You wear me down. But, know this, you are not patriots. You who sit in judgement of other‘s biblical knowledge as if you had been ordained to decide who is or isn’t a true and worthy Christian, you fail miserably at the one thing we should be doing at this desperate hour in our nation’s history–you should be focused on the ties that bind us together, on those things that we have in common not the puny, insignificant trifles that seperate us for what are they if not a matter of semantics? I doubt, when the British troops were massing, that General Washington engaged in heated discourse with his men about whose religious views were the most heavenly divined. God bless us one and all–God bless our country. Good night.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on May 15, 2011 at 11:11pm@PatriotslikeMe
Did you just write your judgement to those of us talking God’s word….You down talk us who speak God’s words calling us judgmental then you judge us yourself….Pretty hypocritical wouldn’t you say…
As you mentioned George Washington….They were fighting Britian to worship God how they chose and yes there were many heated debates around God…
You know nothing of what you speak of…….It scares you so many are exposing the lies your religion has taught you and instead of finding truth, you just come to cast your worldly judgement..Pray to God sincerely and he will show you truth…good night..
Report Post »rattler1958
Posted on May 16, 2011 at 1:16amI have seen this HATE comming for years. I hate “ORGANISED’ religion. They went from good/helping/etc. to a a UNION. I have a GOD I call BOB. We worked things out. He never asked me for $. Just my soul. When I see a sunrise/sunset/new baby?etc. I am in his house. I still get lost in the HATE/KILL, stuff. I Just hope it doesn’t go to me taking down YOUR GODS HOUSE. You cannot but die and end as a religion. That is sad.
Report Post »thepatriotdave
Posted on May 16, 2011 at 1:39amThis is a sad sign of the times. It almost seems like bashing the Jewish state has become fashionable… again. But coming from another Christian denomination is mind-boggling.
Volunteers needed for Allen West Project…
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kiki777
Posted on May 16, 2011 at 1:57amThe Prophet Ezekiel speaking on God’s behalf declared 2000 years ago, “I will bring them out from among the nations and gather them from the countries, and I will bring them into their own land. I will pasture them on the mountains of Israel, in the ravines and in all the settlements in the land” ( King James Bible). We need to remember the promiss that the God of Abraham, Issacc , and Jacob stated in the Holy Bible that “ I will appoint a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, that they may dwell in a place of their own, and move no more, neither shall the children of wickedness afflict them any more as beforetime.” (Holy Bible King James Version). The palestinians are the people who have perpetrated all the violence and not worked with the Isrealis. Do some research they along with the Iranians have tried to smuggle advanced weaponry into the Gaza strip. watch Nonie Darwish and Walid Shoebat on YouTube they will tell you the truth about islam and the fact that 24 million a month in arab petrol dollars was shifted from arafats P.L.O. to hamas because hamas was unwilling to negotiate a peace treaty. They use lies to further islam, the devil is the father of lies. if the methodist church is anti semitic then they are on the devils side and are not truly Gods people. God will judge the nations by how they treated His people Israel. All the nations that Yeshua (Jesus) who was Jewish, will figth against at His return are muslim.
Report Post »kiki777
Posted on May 16, 2011 at 2:17ami just wanted biohazard to know that my comments werent against him. it was good to see so many comments that are for God’s people Israel. I just want people to know that the palestinians have fired over 7000 rockets into Israel and the Koran makes it illeagal for a whole race of people to exist, the Jewish people ( Darwish interviewed in Jewish voice). I feel that anyone who can take up for the palestinains are either ignorant of what is really going on over there or they are wicked. mideastweb.org , Hal Lindsey stated that years ago the palestinians after firing rockets from populated areas to lure Israel to fire on civilians then paraded their dead through the streets in a propaganda campain , one french camera man filmed them running with the gurneys back to the front of the parade , then later someone discovered they had even dug up dead people from the cemetary to make it look like they had even more dead. Techialla is a rule that states it is ok to lie in islam if it furthers the religion. Idfdesk flotilla incident on YouTube shows how manipulative they are . but i am not attacking Bio. sorry if it seemed that way. Israel has every right to defend their citizens and the muslims lost control of the area when the Ottoman turks sided with germany during the war that they lost.
Report Post »kiki777
Posted on May 16, 2011 at 2:27amthe land was under british mandate and given to the Jewish people for a homeland in the Balfour declaration. the british later reniged on their promiss because of preasure from saudi arabia , created the white paper that halted Jewish immigration , they under pressure from an american committe started to allow the Jewish to immigrate because of the atrocities committed by the nazis in germany. the day after Israel declared its independence 6 arab nations attacked israel. 700,000 palestinians left mainly on their own accord to ” escape being caught in the middle of a war that they started.” the palestinians were allowed to take their wealth , where as the Jewish people deported from arab countries at the same time were not allowed to take theirs. Israel only posses 1/5th of 1% of the land in the middle east. the arabs possess 99,9%, hamas is an offshoot of the muslim brother hood and their desire is not for just an islamic controled middle east but an islamic controled world. in islam they behead gays and women are not allowed to own any property. In the end God will fight on behalf of the Israelis. the Bible foretells of the russian and muslim alliance where God will kill all of their soldiers on behalf of the Israelis. and then everyone in the world will know that the God of Abrham , Issacc , and Jacob is the one true God. I do not want anything to do with any church that is an anti semitic.
Report Post »PatriotsLikeMe
Posted on May 16, 2011 at 6:40amRattler1958–Well said! I too believe God is in all things and all around us and I can’t help but feel sorry for those with their noses pressed so deeply into the pages of their bible that they miss the true evidence of His works and love for all of us.
1958 was a good year–we have that in common as, I suspect, we do many things. Have a great day!
Report Post »TMink
Posted on May 16, 2011 at 8:16amMight I suggest one of the reform protestant churches? There are reform Baptist and Presbyterian congregations and denominations that support the Bible as the word of God and thus support Israel. I belong to a reformed Presbyterian congregation and denomination and God has richly blessed my family there.
Trey
Report Post »bread and circuses
Posted on May 16, 2011 at 8:25am@RATTLER1958 and PATRIOTSLIKEME
It is comforting to know that TRUE Christians still exist.
@OKIE
Report Post »I believe that you like to read your own posts, you write so many of them.
The 40,000 errors I referred to in the The Bible was not about the TRUNCATED version which you use.
My post specifically mentioned The True Bible which was EDITED by the phareeses of the “first church”. Your “selected” excerpts remind me of the atheists claim that The Bible says: “There is no God…..” and conveniently leave out the rest of the saying.
poverty.sucks
Posted on May 16, 2011 at 9:19amActivist representing the Catholic church continue efforts to pressue the U.S. Congress to enact comprehensive immigration reform which will bring their Mexican Catholic brothers and sisters out of hiding and consume democrat hand outs. The Catholic activist recognize contributions of illegal immigrants to the United States of America by supporting their access to healthcare and education and to make Texas driver’s licenses available to them. Catholic activist oppose attempts to reduce access to healthcare and education for illegal immigrants and oppose a fence along the Texas-Mexico border.
Report Post »Catherine A.
Posted on May 16, 2011 at 4:59pmLet’s see: Support for abortion: check. Support for homosexuality: check. Support for progressivism: check. Support for Palestine: check.
But they do usually have a good music program, though.
Report Post »Mat234
Posted on May 20, 2011 at 6:00pmI was Methodist up till now. This is just so wrong! Libs make my brain hurt.
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