Defiant University of North Dakota Brings Back Fighting Sioux Nickname
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BISMARCK, N.D. (The Blaze/AP) — The University of North Dakota resumed using its contentious Fighting Sioux nickname Wednesday even though it triggered NCAA sanctions, leaving some fans weary of the seven-year fight over a moniker that critics believe is demeaning.
A law requiring the school to use its longtime nickname and logo, which shows the profile of an American Indian warrior, was repealed eight months after it took effect last year in a bid to help the university avoid NCAA sanctions. But ardent nickname supporters filed petitions with more than 17,000 signatures late Tuesday, demanding that the issue be put to a statewide vote.
As part of that process, the law – which the university, the state Board of Higher Education and local lawmakers oppose – temporarily goes back into effect. An NCAA spokesman said Wednesday that means the school won’t host championship events, and its athletes will be barred from wearing uniforms with the nickname or logo in post-season play.
“As soon as that petition was filed last night, the law reverts,” University President Robert Kelley told The Associated Press on Wednesday. “I don’t want to violate the law.”
Still, the decision frustrated fans and alumni who have watched the fight drag on since 2005, when the NCAA prodded 19 schools to get rid of American Indian nicknames, logos and mascots that it considered “hostile and abusive” to Indians. The University of North Dakota is the only school left where the issue is in serious dispute.
“It’s getting pretty tiresome, even for a pretty gung-ho nickname supporter,” said 36-year-old alumnus Shawn Carlson, who lives in Fargo, about 80 miles south of the school’s campus in Grand Forks, near the Minnesota border.
Former Fighting Sioux football player Ross Almlie, 39, agreed: “I’d have just as much pride for the university with or without the nickname and logo. Put me in the camp that believes we have bigger fish to fry.”
Since the repeal, the school has moved to retire the nickname and logo, dropping references to them from websites and changing Internet addresses that referred to the Fighting Sioux. The Indian profile was replaced by a new logo showing the interlocked letters N and D.
However, nickname supporters revived the issue anew by filing referendum petitions that they said had more than 17,000 signatures. They need a minimum of 13,452 signatures from eligible North Dakota voters to qualify for the June ballot.
Secretary of State Al Jaeger has about a month to scrutinize the petitions and decide whether they meet legal standards. He then will decide whether the referendum should go on the June ballot.
Kelley said the university‘s men’s and women‘s hockey teams and the women’s basketball team have a chance for post-season play in the coming months, and he wasn’t yet sure how the teams would be affected.
“But clearly, by being mandated by state law to be Fighting Sioux, we are right back to where we were before the repeal,” the president said.
The university has been accepted into the Big Sky Conference as part of its move to NCAA Division I athletics.
Doug Fullerton, the conference’s commissioner, said the school could become a weaker conference member if uses its Fighting Sioux nickname and logo because it would be barred from hosting playoff games. The sanctions also could result in recruiting problems.
“We’re not making a value judgment about the nickname,” Fullerton said. “We think we’re one of the strongest conferences in the (Football Championship Subdivision), and we expect our members to play right at the top. If they can’t play post-season home games, that doesn’t help.”
The state Board of Higher Education will likely meet with North Dakota Attorney General Wayne Stenehjem on Monday to discuss whether to go to court to block reinstatement of the law, board President Grant Shaft said Wednesday.
When the fight began seven years ago, the NCAA told the University of North Dakota and the other schools with American Indian nicknames or logos that to avoid sanctions, they needed to change the names or obtain permission from local tribes. Most changed their nicknames, though some – including the Florida State Seminoles and the Central Michigan Chippewas – got tribal permission to keep them.
North Dakota challenged the NCAA edict in court. In a settlement, the school agreed to begin retiring its nickname if it could not obtain consent to continue its use from North Dakota’s Standing Rock and Spirit Lake Sioux tribes by Nov. 30, 2010.
Spirit Lake tribal members endorsed the name. But the Standing Rock Sioux’s tribal council, which opposed the nickname, has declined to support it or to allow its tribal members to vote.
Current supporters of the nickname and petition drive include members of both the Spirit Lake and Standing Rock Sioux tribes.
The law forcing the school to use the name and logo was approved in March, pushed by some prominent university alumni and Republican House Majority Leader Al Carlson. Carlson said he resented the NCAA‘s bullying and what he regarded as the Board of Higher Education’s clumsy handling of the matter.
Carlson hoped the law would make the NCAA reconsider its opposition to the nickname and logo, but NCAA officials remained adamant during a summer meeting with Carlson, Gov. Jack Dalrymple and other officials.
The law was repealed during a special legislative session last November, with many former supporters switching sides and saying it had not accomplished its purpose of influencing the NCAA.
Reed Soderstrom, chairman of the referendum campaign, hailed the university’s decision Wednesday and discouraged members of the higher education board from going back to court.
“They would seem to be following a method of trying to disenfranchise the voters, and I don’t think they have the power to do that,” he said.
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Comments (134)
avgconservative
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 12:48amThe NCAA is associated with American Colleges and Universities. NCAA is P.C. liberal puke. They are bullies with a big stick taking advantage of colleges who don’t have the ability or hint of tradition, to challenge their bullying.
The NCAA needs to be taken down a rung or two.
Report Post »JJ Coolay
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 4:24amDemeaning?? How is it demeaning??
SO SICK OF PC LIBERALS
Report Post »nzkiwi
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 4:28amI remember about ten years ago when a native american basketball team named themselves “The Fightin’ Whities” in order that white people might feel offended. There were T-shirts and everything.
Unfortunately it backfired.
It seems that caucasians are pretty hard to offend.
Far from it, in fact. The T-shirts and other stuff sold so well that the team was able to endow a scholarship.
True to PC form, the activists behind this stunt were a bit miffed that the insult wasn’t taken in the spirit that it was intended.
Report Post »nelbert
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:31amThanks, NZKIWI. I looked up the Fightn’ Whities … what a hoot.
Where I live, there was a team called the Braves that ended up changing its name to the … get ready … Flying Squirrels. First, I never understood how ‘brave’ was offensive. Maybe ‘pansy-a$$’ would be offensive, but ‘brave’ in most situations I can imagine would be considered a complementary moniker. But Flying Squirrels not only sounds daft, but to my knowledge, flying squirrels don’t even live in my state. And any day, one wonders if PETA might not launch a campaign against the use of animal names.
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 7:02amI’m part Blackfoot and Osage (with a smidgen of Cherokee thrown in). I’d love to see a team that I could identify that part of my heritage with….I think the highest honor you can have is to have a team named after a “Native American” tribe.
Report Post »grannyrecipe
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 7:07amWait a minute you meathead Liberals! What about your precious equal protection? Why isn’t is it demeaning for ALL the other groups represented by mascots?
Report Post »Cornhuskers, as if Nebraskans still shuck corn by hand, that’s insulting!
Cowboys, why heck, they are the one’s that beat all the Injuns up!
Trojans, insulting to the gay community!
The Fighting Irish, what, making fun of all the people who died in the potato famine, fighting for there lives?
Sooners, making fun of people waiting for Government grants.
Volunteers, doesn‘t that insult Obama’s civialian army?
Gophers, what are the precious wolves gonna eat after everyone goes out with a garden hose and bat and kills all the gophers?
etc…etc…
000degrees
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 8:05amCorrect me if I’m wrong Granny, but if I kill all the gophers they’ll lock me up and throw away the key….
Report Post »carbonyes
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 8:44amHow about a rung or three. Better yet, a good old thrashing of the numb nuts that run the NCAA or sit on their board that makes those asinine, politically correct decisions.
Report Post »Boss J
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 10:41amwhat a bunch of tools. The school should change the mascot name to the Fighting 1st Colorado Volunteer Cavalry Regiment, just for a day or so. Now THAT would be offensive to idians!
Note: That is the cavarly unit that was involved in the Sand Creek massacre.
Report Post »Bum thrower
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 10:59amHow ’bout “ the Fighting Nads”??? Go Nads, Go!!
Report Post »sy212
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 12:47pmAgreed, PC is swirling in the toilet right now, people are so sick of listening to libs crying and whining. Wait a second, they are portraying the Sioux as proud warriors? Oh, we can’t have that…..
Report Post »fargond
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 12:57pmWell we need to stand together and stand up to this as one united voice. What greater respect and honor is it to “The Sioux ” than to name your representative (sports team) of your school after them.
Report Post »If the Sioux are offended, and I don’t think they are maybe we should get rid of all native american words like Minnesota, North Dakota and on and on. Completly cleanse this land of all native American words. Getting rid of the Sioux name makes just as much sense as that.
Wake up America or we will soon lose America to.
God Bless The Fighting Sioux! And God help us to come to our senses!
Fried Okra
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:07pm@BOSS J …. hahah good one “Fighting 1st Colorado Volunteer Cavalry Regiment”.
Good for the Univ. of N. Dakota to stand up!
Report Post »barstooltestpilot
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:08pmNCAAss
Report Post »Al J Zira
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:47pm@000degrees: Not golfers, gophers you idiot!
Report Post »Smartcookie
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:55pmHow is it demeaning? I’ve lived in North Dakota, better known as the Mississippi of the North, there is a lawsuit pending against ND and UND filed by Native American students. Here is the lawsuit and why the nickname must go:
Report Post »http://legacy.grandforksherald.com/pdfs/Fighting%20Sioux%20suit%20-%20Complaint%20and%20Jury%20Trial%20Demand_cc%20Clerk%20of%20Court.pdf
barnsy
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 7:34pmMaybe change the name to the “ Wagon Burners” see how that goes over.
Report Post »Smartcookie
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 9:55pmYes, barn burners, and as the nickname supporters like to say, hey you guys should love it, we’re honoring you.
Report Post »rienheart
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 12:40amAnother Liberal Politically Correct Association (NCAA) getting ready to bite the Dust because Real People Understand they are being Bullied by Political Correctness and are not going to take it anymore. There is an Awakening and the Liberals are not going to like it.
Report Post »avgconservative
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 12:49amEXACTLY Reinhart… exactly!
Report Post »OklahomaBound
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 11:21pm“So the forked tongued white man comes, kills their buffalo, steals their land and turns them into heritageless, aimless drunken reservation squatters. I‘m starting to see paraells I don’t like!”
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1) Yeah only white men lie right, Indians and liberals are Saints.
Report Post »2) If the buffalo belonged to the Indians they should have put collars with names and address on them so white people would have known they were owned.
3) Indians had no concept of land ownership before the white man arrived so it’s hard to own something when you have no mechanism by which to claim ownership. Oh, and Indian tribes were fighting with each other long before whites came along, just because whites came along with superior technology and were more effective at taking what they wanted than Indians were amongst themselves doesn’t make the winners worse than the losers.
4) Indians still have their heritage, they still teach it too their children.
5) Nobody made Indians drunken squatters, people are responsible for their own actions. Besides it makes them more like leftist so you should applaud that there are more people who reflect your work ethic.
Melika
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 1:24amJust to add to your rant:
American Indians had NO problem killing a bison simply to cut out it’s tongue for a trophy & leaving the rest. They wasted a lot of resources.
Report Post »They didn’t love the environment or kept it pristine, they terraformed it & changed it as much as they were able. They would suck the resources dry in one area, then move on.
They have no respect for animals, except as it pertains to their worship of animal shaped deities when selling things to dumb tourists or in movies.
They didn’t have plumbing.
They spread new diseases to the Old World, slowly killing thousands before the advent of penicillin.
They introduced tobacco use to Europeans. Thousands are dead & millions wasted in medical care because of tobacco use. (Anyone up for a lawsuit?)
They also had no problem, when conquering another tribe, of bashing babies’ heads in & killing the children of the women they captured, sexually assaulted, & enslaved.
The Sioux were pretty mean bastards that nobody liked, including other Indians.
Their casinos operate tax free & dumb white people think it benefits the reservation.
Beads are very hard to make, so they WERE a valuable commodity/currency.
They WERE primitive – not Noble Savages-that‘s a writer’s construct that sounds nice. Tribal means if you don’t belong, they kill you.
They thought they got one over on the Europeans when selling their land,so they weren’t playing nice either.
Nevertheless, Andrew Jackson was a real butt-hole.
JJ Coolay
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 4:26amOklahoma.. you made some pretty sound points.
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 7:06am@OklahomaBound
All good points. The drunken squaters came from being under government control. We see that now in welfare recipients. The Indians contributed to it themselves, because even after they were no longer required to stay on the reservation, if you want the priviledges, like oil rights of the Osage, you have to live on the reservation. They’re just like our welfare president: Come live here, we‘ll take care of your every need so you don’t have to do anything. See how well it works for them?
Report Post »Viet Vet
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 1:31pm@loriann12
Absolutely correct. Just as blacks are stuck on the democrap plantation. And many whites are begging Obummer to let them on too.
Report Post »Imjetta
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 11:01pmGo Sioux! This is awesome!
Report Post »sensibleadult
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 11:00pmThank God, somebody finally shows a backbone.
Report Post »valerie68
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 10:52pmI don’t get the offense. It depicts Indians as strong warriors. What’s wrong with that? Seems to me that they are looking for any reason to be mad. It’s sad actually.
Report Post »Imjetta
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 11:01pmIt‘s amazing isn’t it!??! We‘ve become so politically correct that we can’t depict someone in a favorable light, because it’s demeaning??? Good grief.
Report Post »imsteph
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 11:22pmlet’s see-they have FSU Seminoles, the Illini of Illinois, Iowa State Hawkeyes, etc…and if we want to get crazy how about the Cowboys, the Indians, Redskins, the Fighting Irish, the Braves, the Ragin’ Cajuns,….
STOP THE INSANITY!
Report Post »Political correctness ruins EVERYTHING!
decendentof56
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 12:55amYes…..
Report Post »It always was curious to me why it was a insult towards Indians to use their name.
Why wasn’t it an honor?
Remember the Stanford “Indians”?
They (progressives/liberals) were instituting their agenda, and to do that, they had to define the conversation.
The
Chuck Stein
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 1:56am@ Valerie68
Report Post »You don’t get the offense? Come on! I‘m of Scandinavian extraction and I certainly wouldn’t let anyone call a team the “Vikings”
*** end sarcasm ***
JJ Coolay
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 4:32amDon’t forget the Celtics, the Chiefs, the Blackhawks, the Patriots, the 76ers, the 49ers, the Dodgers, etc, etc, etc.
Report Post »I mean, we’re talking about ALL groups of people right? Not just Indians.
Rowgue
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 12:01pm@IMSTEPH
The Illini were actually forced to lose their mascot and logo. They didn‘t have to change their name because the Illini isn’t a real tribe, but now the team name just makes it sound like people in Illinois like to fight. So idiotic. They caved to the pressure a lot easier, probably because they had a lot more at stake with being a power conference team that has a lot of their teams in post season play every year.
Report Post »EchoHawk
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 2:32pmLois Amsterdam, University Ombudsperson, presented the petition to President Lyman in February of 1972, she added her own understanding of the issue. “Stanford‘s continued use of the Indian symbol in the 1970’s brings up to visibility a painful lack of sensitivity and awareness on the part of the University. All of us have in some way, by action or inaction, accepted and supported the use of the Indian symbol on campus. We did not do so with malice, or with intent to defile a racial group. Rather, it was a reflection of our society’s retarded understanding, dulled perception and clouded vision. Sensitivity and awareness do not come easily when childish misrepresentations in games, history books and motion pictures make up a large part of our experience.”
Report Post »merchantsailor
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 10:49pmGet out of the NCAA and on the way out the door tell them to go pound sand
Report Post »DD313
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 10:47pmMemo to Fighting Sioux re NCAA: Sue ‘em!
Report Post »SpankDaMonkey
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 10:38pm.
Report Post »Fighting Sioux, Glad to have you back…..
The_Jerk
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 10:35pm’bout time people start standing up for their rights. End this nonsense. If Indians don’t like it, don’t attend.
Report Post »NodakSuz
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 11:28amJust to let you know that there are many Indians in favor of retaining the ‘Sioux’
Report Post »name. It‘s too bad that the Standing Rock tribal council didn’t allow the name
to be a vote for all. The minority ruled. Many of us in ND hope the majority
rules to keep the ‘Sioux’ name.
Viet Vet
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 1:34pmIn fact the Sioux Nation in North Dakota have sued the NCAA over this crapola, they get alot of the proceeds from University sales.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 10:24pmThe FemeNazi’s have not seen anything, yet…
Report Post »The Sergeant Major
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 10:20pmWe have become the United States of the Offended. If a school chose to call their team “The White Mexicans” I would be honored
Report Post »bankerpapaw
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 10:17pmThe indians should be proud that a university would want to use a logo that honors them.
Report Post »The brave warriors have turned into a bunch of whiney babies.
semihardrock
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 10:15pmIt’s better than the “Roll Over and Take it in the A** Republicans” that we have seen in recent years!
Report Post »Buzz_Lightyear
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 10:14pmThe headline is misleading, “Defiant University of North Dakota Brings Back Fighting Sioux Nickname”.
The referendum process in North Dakota is what triggered the return of the nickname. The University President and State Board of Higher Education explicitly did NOT want to bring back the nickname. State law requires a temporary stay on the law which is being challenged. Therefore the previous law is in effect which states that the nickname CANNOT be changed.
The headline should have read, “North Dakota Citizens Tell North Dakota Legislature and University to Stick Their Anti-Sioux Legislation Where the Sun don’t Shine.”
Report Post »65Mustang
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 10:11pmI’m glad that the University had the balls to stand up and take their name back. Damn these people who are trying to take away the history of any area. The South should be allowed to fly the Confederate flag,
Report Post »EchoHawk
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 2:37pmThen they should secede… that’s right they tried that already and how did that work out?
Report Post »Fried Okra
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:14pmThe Confederate flag is still in our Mississippi State flag.
…. and… I really don’t care about Ole Miss (Mississippi State fan here)…. but, everyone thinks it is a JOKE that the very Liberal Ole Miss president got on board the PC train and had Colonel Reb removed as the mascot.
Report Post »glashole
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 10:07pmPeople need to get over this nonsense. I am an Irish mutt with a high self esteem. You can call me what you want and I will not have a problem with it. Who are these people to make such a big deal over a name?
Report Post »EchoHawk
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 2:40pmInbred douche bag.
Report Post »Nick Jammer
Posted on February 10, 2012 at 2:05pmStupid lazy drunken loser.
Report Post »Buzz_Lightyear
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 10:05pmGreat logo. Great name.
The artist who rendered the logo is a Ben Brien, a Chippewa Indian and University of North Dakota graduate.
The only people who are offended by the logo and name are fringe Democrats, liberal tenured faculty, Women’s Studies majors, newspaper editors/columnists, Big Ed, dipsticks and LGBT folk.
Which means that the statewide vote will result in 70% in favor of keeping the name. Yeah! The 30% who vote against will mostly dipsticks because we don’t have too many fringe Democrats, liberal tenrued faculty, Women’s Studies major, newspaper editors/columnists and LGBT folk in North Dakota. Big Ed lives in Minnesota and doesn’t count.
Report Post »lobster
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 11:09pmI thought all the dipsticks were in D. C., but obviously not all..
Report Post »Viet Vet
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 1:36pm@lobster
Unfortunately, there are dipstick liberals (leftists) all over this country. It is an infestation.
Report Post »p00gles
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 9:59pmI miss Chief Illiniwek, even the closest living descendants of the Illiniwek approved the name and image…too bad the university didn’t put up a real fight.
Report Post »dadadadio
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 11:52pm‘The Chief’ used to give me goosebumps. It seemed an outstanding way to honor indian heritage (though the character was modeled more after the plains indians that the Illini). Couldn’t believe the university caved to the PC police on this. On second thought, guess I CAN believe it. The modern-day U of I is a wimpy marshmellow, totally undeserving of this courageous character. Sounds like the U of ND is about to re-earn that ‘fighting Sioux’ nickname.
Report Post »DANEgerus
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 9:54pmMy Irish grandmother? Go Fighting Irish! My Scot grandmother? Go Highlanders! My Norwegian grandfather? Go Vikings! But my Cherokee grandfather? Ethnically cleansed of warriors, braves, chiefs… seriously.
Report Post »onthefrontline
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 10:18pmWe have a College in Arizona that are the Fighting Artichokes.. .
Report Post »TheObamanation
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 9:52pmThey should just change their name to “Fighting Sue” …
Report Post »Mateytwo Barreett
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 9:51pm“The Fighting Sioux”-Sounds like a people of pride, horsemen and warriors, living in harmony with the wide paraies.
So the forked tongued white man comes, kills their buffalo, steals their land and turns them into heritageless, aimless drunken reservation squatters.
I‘m starting to see paraells I don’t like!
Report Post »Jeff Bassett
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 9:46pmThe University takes on the nickname out of respect, not because it demeans the Sioux. A certain group, no matter what background, cannot claim ownership of such and make any demands. Such acts are demeaning in themselves.
Such arguments for control of a mascot are beyond silly, especially given the other real world issues at hand. Shame on the NCCA to slap down a school that wants to resperct and promote the Sioux name and image.
It is demeaning and discriminatory that they would back such a bigoted attempt to bury the Sioux name and image.
Report Post »Laus Deo
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 9:45pmThe critics can blow it out their *****. Fight on, Fighting Sioux.
Report Post »jhaydeng
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 10:06pm2nd
Report Post »ZAP
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 9:43pmI take it as a name of honor
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