Update: Atheists Threaten to Sue Over ‘Seven in Heaven’ Street Sign Honoring 9/11 Heros
- Posted on July 6, 2011 at 10:16pm by
Billy Hallowell
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Last month, The Blaze reported on a group of atheists who are up in arms over part of a street in Red Hook, Brooklyn, that was renamed to commemorate fallen 9/11 firefighters. The street — now called “Seven in Heaven Way” — references seven firefighters who lost their lives as part of Engine 202, Ladder 101 and Battalion 32. Now, the group — NYC Atheists — is discussing a potential lawsuit against the city.
According to an The Daily News, Ken Bronstein, the head of NYC Atheists, said:
“We are not against honoring anyone who died or served on 9/11. What we‘re against is the use of the word ’heaven,’ which is a religious concept.
The Founding Fathers set up separation of church and state. We need to draw a line in the sand. This is not a Christian nation. This is a republic.”
The families of 9/11 victims are less than pleased with the atheists’ reaction. Catherine O’Mara, whose son-in-law Brian Cannizzaro is an honoree on the sign, said:
“It’s disgusting and horrible. This means everything to the women who lost their husbands.”
Apparently, the group believes it can “show injury — and the impact of what the city is doing.” Their First Amendment case would argue that the public nature of the sign is a violation of the separation of church and state clause. In response to their claims, New York Magazine’s DailyIntel blog called them “jerky” and quipped:
Because when people say a 9/11 first responder is “in heaven” they are specifically referring to the walled-in sky compound guarded by St. Peter. Not, as you might have guessed, a generic non-religious wish that a person who died running into a towering inferno to rescue hundreds of innocent people might somehow now be at peace.
So far, New York City is sticking to its guns and not caving to the atheists’ removal demands. Lawyers are lining up to offer the city pro-bono representation, with experts claiming that the atheists’ arguments are “far-fetched.” Outlandish claims, though, have been a fixture in many past court battles. Thus, this case very well could make its way into a courtroom.
(h/t Gothamist)
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Comments (270)
Skee
Posted on July 6, 2011 at 10:59pmIf Christians have faith in God couldn’t you say atheists have faith there is no God. That would be a belief that there is no after life. A theory is defined as faith or a belief. Can not be proven scientifiicly. So science can not prove there is or is’nt a God so by definition Atheism is a religion.
Report Post »nptden
Posted on July 6, 2011 at 10:57pmWhere do they get off telling anyone anything. Majority still rules in this Republic. Majority of Americans are Christians. Suck it up.
Report Post »TRONINTHEMORNING
Posted on July 6, 2011 at 10:56pmWhatever floats your boats across the river Styx to hell, you silly Godless idiots. Fools to be sure.
Report Post »Grandmadar
Posted on July 6, 2011 at 10:51pmMost of us on here know that The Constitution is not worded “Separation of church and State”. It says the Gov shall not establish a State Religion.
Our Nation was founded on Christian Principals. That is why people set out for a new land. The way things are going, we should have just stayed overseas.
Report Post »striker_58201
Posted on July 6, 2011 at 11:03pm….or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. Anti-Christians leave off that little tidbit because it actually hurts their cause,
Report Post »Mimi24
Posted on July 6, 2011 at 10:50pmI would just like to have these heroes find some peace. Please let’s let them rest. Thank you so much for your service. God bless and rest your souls.
Report Post »drumsalot5
Posted on July 6, 2011 at 10:46pmwhy in the world are we letting 0.5% of Americans dictate what the other 99.5% think and do?? Political correctness is a destructive and unhealthy thing that has turned America into a nation of cowards who shrink from any accusation of being politically incorrect. . . These morons need to suck it up and get a clue. . . and maybe when they comprise 1% of America, we’ll think about someday possibly listening to the crap oozing from their mouths
Report Post »Master Sergeant Malone
Posted on July 7, 2011 at 11:02amBecause Drumalot this country has been taken over by low life progressive dirtbags while those who would kick their sorry butts to kingdom come in a New York minute are lying in fetal postions shivering at even the thought of fighting back! One hell of a state of sorry affairs. Hugged a Muslim lately? Lit up in a cafe lately? And the earth scortching nanny loving PC virus creeps along at an even faster pace.
Report Post »scguitar
Posted on July 6, 2011 at 10:45pmIt’ll go to the SC eventually, but hopefully by then some of the justices get their head out of their arses and realize this is completely constitutional
Report Post »tweetybird
Posted on July 6, 2011 at 10:42pmWhat is written on an Atheists tombstone? All dressed up and no place to go. LOL….really? They don’t like the word Heaven? That is offensive? Jeez…..I can think of things alot more offensive than that. Like the non Christian that is currently occupying the White House…..I find that to be very offensive.
Report Post »Listenup
Posted on July 6, 2011 at 10:41pmThe First Amendment ensures us the right to practice religion — not to shield us from it. If someone doesn’t wish to practice a religion then so be it, but it won’t stop me. I stand with the Seven In Heaven and I do believe there are more Christians in our country then atheists — Thank God!!!
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on July 6, 2011 at 10:41pmFine, let them go to court and I pray that they lose the case.
Report Post »searching for the Truth
Posted on July 6, 2011 at 10:39pmI think the saddest joke, so to speak, will be on them when the anti-Christ makes his scene.
Report Post »Dr. Klahn
Posted on July 6, 2011 at 10:38pmOut of curiousity, do they have standing to file suit?
I only ask because the SCOTUS told all of us that we had no standing to challenge BHO’s citizenship…
And exactly what “injury” can they show?
Report Post »MrButcher
Posted on July 6, 2011 at 10:37pm@lone ranger
so do I.
Where do you want to start in the shoot out of quotes from the founding fathers?
I’ll blow your head off with the ENTIRE CONSTITUTION and the 1st and 14th Amendment.
But if you want to dip into personal writings by the founders or even the Declaration I encourage you to fire back, headless.
America is not founded on ANY religion.
Period.
Report Post »scguitar
Posted on July 6, 2011 at 10:52pmwhat does the 14th amendment have to do with this? It does not put the establishment clause onto the state and here is why:
Religion is not mentioned in the amendment because there was no religious issue during the civil war. Plus, shortly after the passage of the 14th, the blaine amendment was introduced to put the establishment clause onto states! Although the amendment failed, both supporters and opposers of the amendment recognized that the 14th amendment did not apply the establishment clause to the states, because it was not the original intent of the amendment. You loony liberals have twisted it so badly
Report Post »Favored93
Posted on July 7, 2011 at 3:28am@MrButcher
Report Post »Separation of church and state is not in the constitution ANYWHERE it is found in a personal letter from Tomas Jefferson. So the writings by our founders are very relevant here because the atheists use Tomas Jefferson’s personal writings to destroy this christian nation and want to give us freedom FROM religion and in doing so undermine every thing our founders wanted to see us become.
Leader1776
Posted on July 7, 2011 at 11:35am@MR. Butcher
Report Post »You completely miss the point. Why am I not surprised given the vitriol in your writings. The founders, much to the chagrin of today’s anti-founders, were aware of the plight of the original colonists and their desire to leave England for freedom of religion, not freedom from religion. For that reason the founders had no desire to form a state religion, which is a separate issue from whether or not they were religious. Lone Ranger was pointing out what many are trying to sweep under the carpet today …….. that the founders were religious and many were, in fact, Christian.
Charlie
Posted on July 7, 2011 at 11:16pmAmerica was founded by religious people. Of that there is no argument. If athiests want to live in the U.S. they have their rights..but why can’t they let Christians live peacefully also. 7 in Heaven isn’t hurting anyone and truthfully? how many atheists have even driven on the street to be ‘offended’? They need a life. Live and let live. I’ll leave them alone, I expect the same. Frankly a lot of what athiests do offend me but I do stand by the meaning of live and let live. If something offends me I just look the other way. So should everyone else, it would make it a lot easier in this life.
Report Post »FORLORNHOPE
Posted on July 6, 2011 at 10:30pmThis a local issue it has nothing to do with The Republic.
Report Post »101
Posted on July 6, 2011 at 10:30pmThis atheist may very well find HELL messing with the wrong people!
Report Post »Lone Ranger
Posted on July 6, 2011 at 10:30pmWhat a bunch of dopes.
“If I could have entertained the slightest apprehension that the Constitution framed by the Convention, where I had the honor to preside, might possibly endanger the religious rights of any ecclesiastical society, certainly I would never have placed my signature on it.” — George Washington, May 10, 1789
“Whoever is an avowed enemy of God, I scruple not [would not hesitate] to call him an enemy to his country.” — John Witherspooon
“It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists [pluralism], but by Christians; not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ! For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.” — Patrick Henry
“The moral principles and precepts contained in the Scriptures ought to form the basis of all our civil Constitutions and laws….All the miseries and evil which men suffer from vice, crime, ambitions, injustice, oppression, slavery, and war, proceed from their despising or neglecting the precepts contained in the Bible.” Noah Webster
I got a million of ‘em.
If these un-American, bigoted freaks want to live in a country without religion, perhaps they should move to an atheist nation, like Vietnam, or North Korea or China or Laos.
Let’s see how their freedoms to file lawsuits and speak out against the government would be tolerated there.
Report Post »5headspro.com
Posted on July 6, 2011 at 10:29pm“The Founding Fathers set up separation of church and state. We need to draw a line in the sand. This is not a Christian nation. This is a republic.”
Well, they do speak the truth here folks. The founders did put that in the Constitution. And yes we do need to draw a line in the sand (as did Jesus). And we are a Republic. Where they are wrong is the not a Christian nation bit.
Now they are a bit out of context, but hey, who’s paying attention? LOL…
…that is all
Report Post »jdvo31
Posted on July 6, 2011 at 11:21pm@5headspro….. Read your constitution and you will not find it there. Separation of Church and State does NOT exist in the Constitution.
Report Post »USACommoner
Posted on July 7, 2011 at 9:30amTell me WHERE exactly, separation of church and state is in the constitution.
Report Post »adblake
Posted on July 7, 2011 at 11:38amThere is ABSOLUTELY NOWHERE in the Constitution the mention of Separation of Church and state. The line reads Congress shall make no laws respecting the establishment of a religion over another, 1) Congress did not establish a state religion by allowing a street sign to remain. 2) The Constitution also states that Congress can not prohibit the free exercise of religion, now that is very very clear. The idea of Separation of Church and state was just that, an idea, it was presented in the Federalist papers and the intent was to avoid having a Theocracy in this country where one would be forced to follow a certain religion. NO ONE is being force to do anything by having this sign up. I can’t begin to understand how this lawsuit could even go through, does anyone actually have any reading comprhension in this country?????
Report Post »Ron001
Posted on July 7, 2011 at 12:10pmNo, no, no…the founders DID NOT put separation of church and state in the Constitution. It comes from a letter written by Th. Jefferson to the Danberry Baptist Church, assuring them that the Federal Gov. was not going to announce an official national religion (thats where the wall of separation comes in). It also assured them that people from all Christian sects are welcome and encuraged to particapate in Government.
Report Post »5headspro.com
Posted on July 8, 2011 at 1:31pmLet me clarify, the seperation of church and state is not in there, I know that. As it is in the Constitution, the govt. cannot create a religion. I was being sarcastic in my response, get a freeking life and stop being so freeking serious. Learn again how to be light hearted friends. Enjoy what God has given you.
Report Post »godhatesacoward
Posted on July 6, 2011 at 10:28pm#1 show me where in the constitution it states “seperation of church and state”?
Report Post »#2 if you’re an atheist why would this bother you? if you don’t beleive in heaven or hell then leave it alone.
MrButcher
Posted on July 6, 2011 at 10:27pmTHIS IS A REPUBLIC!!
Christians just happen to live here.
Report Post »tweetybird
Posted on July 6, 2011 at 10:56pmWow Patriot Z…..tell us how you really feel. LOL. God Bless You.
Report Post »drumsalot5
Posted on July 6, 2011 at 10:57pmread what the founders said on religion and the foundation of the nation. . . we are a nation based not only on Christian principles, but for the proliferation of Christian principles. . .
Report Post »drumsalot5
Posted on July 6, 2011 at 10:58pmWell said, Patriotz
Report Post »Mimi24
Posted on July 6, 2011 at 11:04pmPatriot Z. I wish we could talk. We probably are not much different. Here’s the thing. We are all going to die. Sucks but there it is this is probably where we might disagree. Stay with me. It’s not so hard. Just trust in Jesus to save you. If you are wrong what have you lost? If you are right then what have you gained? Eternal life? Hope to see you there.
Report Post »USACommoner
Posted on July 7, 2011 at 9:27amAmen. And perhaps the victims and their families were Christian. Are they not allowed to practice THEIR religion in this country, or do atheists trump everyone…? Freedom OF religion does not mean freedom FROM religion.
Report Post »fry1goat
Posted on July 6, 2011 at 10:24pmOMG here we go again! Is this sign hurting anyone? Hmm wonder why you never see the atheists attacking other religions? These same nuts would stand up for the rights of a mosque being built at ground zero.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on July 6, 2011 at 10:24pmThere is no separation of Church and State .. there is no state religion .. geez when will someone be corrected on this .. you can’t stop someone from the free exercise of Religion. This sure as H isn’t an athiest country .. look around .. you demand “tolerance” but give none to others. Leave the damn street sign alone!
“violation of the separation of church and state clause” WTF???
Report Post »anAMERICANpatriot
Posted on July 7, 2011 at 11:37amwell said
Report Post »limitfree
Posted on July 7, 2011 at 5:28pmThis is not an athiest nation, nor is it a christian nation, it is a nation of FREE PEOPLE, people of every stripe, red yellow black brown and white, and people of every conceiveable faith. We are ALL free, to live as we choose, and to believe who and whatEVER we want. Yes, the majority in America are christians, of one denomination or another, some conservative republican, some liberal democrat, some fervant fanatic, others more casual practicioners. WE THE PEOPLE ARE FREE, the first amendment “separation of church and state” we hear so much about is really very simple. THE STATE is prohibited from engaging in funding, favoring, advocating, supporting, or requiring the practice of ANY particular religion or faith tradition over any other religion or faith tradition in order to protect the religious FREEDOM of ANY AND ALL of the American People. WE remain FREE because the STATE is bound by the limitations WE impose opon it. EACH ONE OF US is entitled under the law to EQUAL JUSTICE UNDER LAW. It is the state that is bound by the rule of law, not the people. WE THE PEOPLE ARE FREE PEOPLE who consent to be governed by our government that WE created, that WE granted specific LIMITED powers through the Constitution Of The United States Of America. The law of the land.
Report Post »912tracy
Posted on July 7, 2011 at 11:15pmCould not have said it better!
Report Post »NuffSaid
Posted on July 6, 2011 at 10:24pmThe firefighters will fold. Just watch .
Report Post »sm29
Posted on July 6, 2011 at 11:28pmIt is time to stand up where you are and engage. Atheism is just another word for arrogance. Let’s stand up and ask the God haters to explain themselves in more detail. We just need to give them more rope.. they will hang themselves. They are not deep thinkers and are just following their “feelings”. If they thought about their feelings they would realize they have put their faith into a big con game. Like all con games, the appeal is something for nothing. Thinking is the solution to ignorance.
Report Post »1proudAmerican
Posted on July 7, 2011 at 12:57amThey’d better not give in to these athiests. We have to fight back or there won’t be anything worth fighting for!!
Report Post »fdmike
Posted on July 7, 2011 at 1:06amthere is no case here nuffsaid, but if legal action were taken it would be the city that folded…why would the firefighters?
Report Post »garylee123
Posted on July 6, 2011 at 10:24pmI want to tell them to go to Hell but…..too late!
Report Post »striker_58201
Posted on July 6, 2011 at 10:59pmThe claim that there is no God? I say let’s help them find out for sure!
Report Post »Mimi24
Posted on July 6, 2011 at 11:21pmWell aren’t we as Christians to be salt and light? Who said we were to lord it over anyone? This was a gift freely given by the slain blood of our Jesus Chriist I didn’t earn it did you?
Report Post »Ironmaan
Posted on July 6, 2011 at 10:21pmJust a bunch of Atheisit fools wasting their time.and money.
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ALL4FREEDOM
Posted on July 7, 2011 at 8:12amThe atheists will be wasting OUR (tax) money when the case goes to court. Funny how these morons always like to selectively (mis)quote the Constitution: Congress shall make no law regarding the establishment of religion, OR THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF. Yes, they have rights, but what they lack are good manners.
Report Post »randy
Posted on July 6, 2011 at 10:20pmYes, THIS IS A CHRISTIAN nation! You disgusting SOBS
Report Post »MonteCristo
Posted on July 6, 2011 at 10:52pmThis is just a disgusting story. I thought the purpose was to get positive attention for the atheist cause not demean Christians.
Report Post »TheLeftMadeMeRight
Posted on July 7, 2011 at 8:59amWhat exactly is the “atheist cause ”?
Report Post »sm29
Posted on July 6, 2011 at 11:11pmLet’s ban all atheist street names. They offend me! Oh, I forgot, no one goes to the trouble of naming streets after morally bankrupt belief systems. Maybe atheists will band together and create a community, work and raise taxes so they can start naming their own streets. Here’s some ideas for an atheist EPCOT community. “Mindless Arrogance Street”, “Life Has No Meaning Lane” “Group Think Way” and “Ignorance is Strength Place”.
Report Post »338lapua
Posted on July 6, 2011 at 11:15pm@SM29…..
Report Post »You are KILLING ME!
Lets add “Abortion is Love lane”
LMAO
slarmas
Posted on July 7, 2011 at 11:44amAs an Atheist I think life has great meaning and wonder. I am not sure why all Christians believe wonder and meaning has to come from God or that Atheists can not have meaning in their life. I am against the street sign being taken down, but I don’t believe in God. I believe in honoring those who lost their lives and respecting their beliefs. The Atheists of New York are probably activist because they were pushed beyond a reasonable point by someone who was religious. I have been damned to hell so many times and told I am immoral more times than I can count, yet I frequently find myself taking a higher moral ground than my Christian friends, especially when they find it odd that I can happily go to a church function with them and not be at all offended or rip on their belief system all the while being damned to hell by the lot of them. We all make judgements in life based on what we are taught and what evidence there is and how we perceive it. I have come to a different conclusion than most Christians concerning god, why get angry about it. Our differences are what makes this country great.
Report Post »mattquest
Posted on July 6, 2011 at 11:49pmThink we could stop lumping all athiests together when talking about something that a group of atheists did? I’m not out here saying “religious people flew planes into a building”.
Report Post »Mimi24
Posted on July 7, 2011 at 12:17amWhen my Grandaddy was still alive I used to get embarassed when he would ask people if they were saved. He was right. Are you saved? Are you going to be with Jesus? You do know Satan loses right?
Report Post »Cherynn
Posted on July 6, 2011 at 11:50pmI will give a million dollars to anyone who can show me, separation of church and state in the US Constitution. I know it is in the communist manifesto though.
Report Post »banjarmon
Posted on July 7, 2011 at 12:11amWe surround them, We are the majority so go crawl back into your hole.
Report Post »GBMBulletsSKNRD
Posted on July 7, 2011 at 12:39amI hope these people rot from the inside out. I am certain the rotting has already started.
Report Post »american1st
Posted on July 7, 2011 at 12:54amatheists giving atheists a bad name….
Report Post »i think the Christians should protest Godfree Rd in Northport, WA
ihveit
Posted on July 7, 2011 at 12:59ama well armed militia guarding the signs against these idiots is the real answer.. i am tired of so few makeing life miserable for so many… they are cowards and need to be shoved back into their hole..
this is a free country run by the majority… stop this ******** of letting 3 or 5 people decide our future..
if they come to take down the signs give them a bible.. and if that dont work well maybe they want to call the police?
Report Post »Big Book Harry
Posted on July 7, 2011 at 1:03amOne nation under GOD with liberty and justice for all. This means that if you don’t like living in a nation that was founded upon God, you can receive your justice by implementing your liberty to leave.
Report Post »Marci
Posted on July 7, 2011 at 3:26amWhy do atheists make it a religion to stamp out religion?
Report Post »seon
Posted on July 7, 2011 at 4:39amThe founding fathers were deist, not Christian. Being a “Christian” Nation does not mean everyone should believe what you believe in. That is just as bad as a Muslim theocracy.
Report Post »smithclar3nc3
Posted on July 7, 2011 at 8:03amCongress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion or prohibit the free exerice there of. That doesn‘t say that a state or city can’t make laws respecting the establishment of religion or prohibit the free exerice there of.
Report Post »Basicly the Constitution FORBIDS CONGRESS OPPOSING OR PROMOTING RELIGION. And the 10th amendment states that all powers not granted to congress reverts back to the states and the citizens.
ATHEIST HAVE SIGNED THEIR OWN EPITAPH….BY PUSHING EVERYTHING TOO FAR.
Cesium
Posted on July 7, 2011 at 8:07amThis is not a Christian Nation.. I‘m not christian and I’m 3rd generation american… However the atheists have no case on this… they misinterpret the concept of separation of church and state.. This is a commemoration.. doesn’t matter if a myth is used to do it
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on July 7, 2011 at 10:40amnothing christian about what you just said
Report Post »IvanK
Posted on July 7, 2011 at 10:42amAnyone ever notice how Athiests tend to be a miserable lot (as a whole)? They are not happy inless they can force their brand of religion on the rest of us (yes, athiesm is a sort of religion). Our constitution states that we have freedom OF religion… Not freedom FROM religion.
Report Post »It is my opinion that they a miserable because they do not have God in their heart. I once read that there is no such thing as evil, but rather, and absence of God. Think about that for a moment… If you do not have God, you do not have hope…
When you think about it, Look at the difference between Our Messiah President’s brand of hope vs the Hope that Christ provides… Big difference huh?
JoeySocal
Posted on July 7, 2011 at 12:40pmSo I guess its time to rename Los Angeles? I don’t believe in Angels, i’m offended.
Report Post »DavidD
Posted on July 7, 2011 at 12:57pmA lot of atheists think America should be an atheist nation. (Some exceptions, I‘ve seen very tolerant atheists who don’t try to force their beliefs,or lack thereof, on others) Maybe they should start living up to their name and stop caring about God!! They are obssessed with God! You can’t put up a cross or religious sign or name a street with “Heaven” without them jumping on it. If they truly were atheists they wouldn’t care either way. Some people believe in aliens and put up giant alien heads and UFO signs – I don‘t believe in aliens but I’m not going to sue these folks and follow them around trying to “enlighten” them.
Now I would imagine lots of atheists DO believe in aliens, but that’s another topic…
A lot of atheists need to read “The Christian Life and Character of the Civil Institutions of United States” and learn a few things. We have irrefutable Judeo-Christian roots, some folks can’t deal with that and it continually pains and troubles them to their core.
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