Update: Dior Firing Anti-Semitic-Ranting Designer
- Posted on March 1, 2011 at 11:45am by
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PARIS (AP) — French fashion house Christian Dior says it is firing famed designer John Galliano after an online video showed him praising Adolf Hitler.
Christian Dior said Tuesday Galliano has been immediately laid off, just days after he was suspended as its creative director pending an investigation into an alleged anti-Semitic incident in a Paris cafe last week.
A video posted online Monday showed Galliano, in a different incident, drunkenly telling a cafe patron “I love Hitler.”
The house said in a statement: “Today, because of the particularly odious nature of the behavior and words of John Galliano in a video made public this Monday, the Christian Dior house has decided to lay him off immediately and has begun firing procedures against him.”
Dior had came under pressure after Oscar-winning actress Natalie Portman, one of the company’s spokesmodels, said in a statement she “will not be associated with Mr. Galliano in any way.”
Christian Dior on Friday suspended Galliano pending an investigation. The house is scheduled to present its fall-winter 2011-2012 ready-to-wear show on Friday as part of Paris fashion week.
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Comments (125)
yippyio
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 2:17pmLong live John Galliano, a giant among men
Report Post »Ser Scot
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 4:54pmYip,
Yes, men who love Hitler are a great joy and asset to humanity. That’s what the world needs, more Nazi lovers.
Report Post »SonOfaCommunist
Posted on March 2, 2011 at 5:05pmYou have the right to express your view but thank you God you don’t have the right to act on it! The way you feel about J is kind of how we feel about you!
Report Post »yippyio
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 2:13pmname calling and criticisms, identify the J
Report Post »welovetheUSA
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 2:02pmAnother unstable idoit.
Report Post »yippyio
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 1:56pmPS Natalie Portman is a J
Report Post »Ser Scot
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 4:52pmYour point is what? Natalie Portman is Jewish? Gosh, that’s information no one had. Troll much?
Report Post »southernloyalty
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 1:46pmIts not that I’m trying to pick out one little thing in history. The destruction of Russia under communism was about as little as the destruction of Europe under Nazism, millions of lives. The world has picked out a group, people of European ancestry, and condemed them for the Nazis and slavery in the US when plenty of other groups have committed atrocities of equal if not more worth than the Nazis and have also had slavery. My way of looking at it is I will begin to support the Jews when they support us. While serving in Iraq and afghanistan, I saw many nations at least making a presence and trying to help us. Where were the Israeli’s? Where were our so called best friends, that wonderful democracy in the middle east? When I read the voting statistics in America and see that 77 percent voted for Obama, and still overwelmingly supported Dems in 2010 I wonder why should I feel any connection to these people, they want to get rid of my way of life. When I look at how they attack Glenn Beck for merely mentioning people who happen to be jewish, Soros, Francis Piven, Edward Bernays, Andy Stern, Cass Sunstien, Walter Lippmann, ect. it makes me wonder are they above criticism. Why must we send Israel 3 billion in aid every year, what do they or have they ever done for us? So what if they are democracy in the middle east, I can’t migrate there or marry a jewish girl there if I wanted because its against the law, but they can come here and marry a christian. I’m sorry, but I’ve taken off the goggles the left put on each of us which trys to make you see everybody the same. The truth is that there are groups out there that simply support their own, and we’ve been trained to not think like that while everyone else around us does think like that and look where it has got us. I stick to my own, and I support my own, if you want to call me a nazi, a skinhead, or whatever word the left has taught you to reguritate then fine, it doesn’t bug me. I don’t hate Jews, I just don’t give a crap about them or any other group out there Arabs, Chinese, Mexicans ect. Let them handle their own business. I can put it like this, I wouldn’t die for them or any other group other than my own.
Report Post »13th Imam
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 2:36pmSouthern
Report Post »Get your drift but blacks voted 90%-10% for Barry. Don’t know how other Ethnic or Religious groups voted. Truth is that Liberals, Socialists, Progressives, Anarchists, Communists, DEMOCRATS ALL. put in our President. All colors, all enthnicitys. God Bless America
capecodsully
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 2:37pmAre you serious, what do you suppose would happen in the middle east the second one Israeli soldier stepped onto Arab land to take up arms? You sound like a very young, and very stupid individual who has not given a whole lot of thought to half the garbage that comes out of your mouth. You have alot of growing up to do.
Report Post »audaxrex
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 3:45pm@Capecodsully – um, lots of Israeli soldiers have stood on Arab land… in fact, they’re doing it right now on the West Bank. They practically moved into S. Lebanon a while back but I think they may have left.
Report Post »Ser Scot
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 4:42pmSouthern,
If Israeli troops had participated in the Iraq war Iraq would have had volunteers from all over the middle east flooding in to support Hussein.
Report Post »Dave In Arizona
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 1:36pmWow! What a creep!
Report Post »yippyio
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 10:50pmWhats a jew doing in arizona, besides making trouble
Report Post »yippyio
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 1:35pmWhy do jews hate freedom of speech so much?
Report Post »13th Imam
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 1:43pmHey Snippy
Report Post »You enlighten us. We will be waiting right here. Thanks
yippyio
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 1:58pmYes I am the master of the obvious. And your wait will be until the end of time.
Report Post »13th Imam
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 2:15pmThat’s OBLIVIOUS Your facts are as clear as Mud
Report Post »Ser Scot
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 4:40pmYip,
Being fired by a private company for embarassing them in public is not an infrignment of free speech. Further, as other‘s have pointed out this didn’t happen in the U.S. It happened in France. This guy is sludge.
Report Post »mikenleeds
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 1:10pmso what if he loves Hitler .. what ever happened to free speech , i guess you only have free speech if you agree with only the government approves of ..
Report Post »jCo68
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 3:30pmThe incident happened in France, where hate speech is illegal.
Report Post »Midwest Blonde
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 1:01pmThis is a story because it shows a person (Dior) of taking the right path to fire the mouthy designer for being racist. Basically, Dior didn’t act PC. MORE employers need to quit acting PC.
Report Post »roxee
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 12:56pmIt seems people are tapping this man’s every word and sending to media stations??? Sad world!
Report Post »REVENANT
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 12:51pmThey are really firing him out of confusion in thinking he’s a closet Conservative
Report Post »Katayno
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 12:41pmWOW, this is great……now we have a HOT designer for the new Spring line of Burkas we will soon be wearing when Sharia law come to America.
Report Post »yippyio
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 10:53pmsharia law isnt all bad. The is no booze and no interest on loans. The jew man cant survive under sharia for that reason. That was they hate sharia. And Glen is a jew puppet, because he knows the truth but dares not say.
Report Post »Its Gonna Getcha
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 12:29pmWondering if he‘s always been that way or if he’s just trying to be trendy. Trendy can kill.
Report Post »heavyduty
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 12:24pmYou have to be drunk to listen to a drunk. I am not drunk so I didn’t listen to the drunk. Besides I don’t think he is much of a designer either. One thing I do know is he is stupid as most drunks are. When he dies I hope he gets to bunk with Hitler.
Report Post »TammyChicago
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 12:22pmShaking my head at this story on many levels. The man is clearly in need of serious help and so are the people in his audience applauding this jokers “style”. Idiots.
Report Post »Akira Gomi
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 12:20pmA gay racist isn’t that flying in the face of progressives? It’s gotta be the ridiculous hats this goofy deuchbag eurotrash is wearing. Sounds like a Pixar cartoon, with a wanna be rat designer living in his hat making him do these things. Just sayin..
Report Post »13th Imam
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 12:34pmLove your spelling of D-Bag. Mo-Marr gets his hats from The other yellow Lickker, Galliano
Report Post »UlyssesP
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 1:23pmGay racists are very very common. Not every gay is racist. No every racist is gay. They do overlap more often than many would admit. Catch them drunk and off guard and you will hear the most bigoted vile stuff.
Report Post »grannyjojo
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 12:14pmYou know what this “man” said was vile and unacceptable and I believe he did damage to the “Dior” name but gosh, he can face fine and jail time for being a complete jack@@@? I’m glad I live in America where, at least for now you don’t go to JAIL for being a total ignoramus (sp). This guy showed his true colors while intoxicated and he certainly deserves to be canned but still……Of course though I’m an advocate of free speech.
Every knee will bow and every tongue confess. God bless
Report Post »yippyio
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 2:24pmWords don’t hurt anybody. You got that *******
Report Post »bkeely
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 12:07pmWhy is it the Libs always given a pass?
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jCo68
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 3:32pmHe isn’t being given a pass, he’s been fired.
Report Post »audaxrex
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 3:39pmmmm. I don‘t see any liberals in this story and I don’t see anyone ‘getting a pass.‘ Are you sure you’re commenting on the right story?
Report Post »Lantern
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 12:01pmOh. My. Gawd! Sthop the pressthess!
Report Post »Why do so-called designers get famous for dresses nobody, but a ditzy actress would wear only once and normal people would never, ever, wear?
Gonzo
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 12:23pmExactly Lantern, Is a drunken ****’s opinion somehow important to the world?
Report Post »Christian4ever
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 12:01pmGenesis 12:3 NASB
“I will bless those who bless you (Israel),
and the one who curses you I will curse”
Good luck all you haters….
Report Post »yippyio
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 2:02pmIsrael is the Catholic Church
Report Post »Ser Scot
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 4:38pmWow, the conspiracy kooks are out in force.
Report Post »franknshadow
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 11:54amWhat is it about the Jews?? Some people are genetically predisposed to hatred I guess, and Jews just get in the way but for cryin out loud, They’ve paid, and continue to pay, a huge price for what, being Jews??
Report Post »southernloyalty
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 12:08pmI didn’t have a problem with Jews until I read history and learned the leading role they played in the Bolshevik party in Soviet Russia. Jews like Lenin, Trotsky, Kamenev, Serdlov, and many more who made up the Bolsheviks and the CHEKA led an onslaught on the Russian people and the Christian religion while excelling jews in the USSR to high positions and allowing synagogues to stay up. Not to mention the slaughter of the czar and his family by the jewish Yakov Yurovsky The jew Kaganovich was the one who carried out the Holodamor in the Ukraine which killed millions of christians. However we never hear about the jewish role in soviet Russia, wonder why? They don’t beat that into our skulls like they do Hitler and the Nazis do they. What gets me is not the fact Jews lead the destruction of Russia, but the fact that jews today cry about Nazis while at the same time they act as if they have never been guilty of equal crimes themselves in history against Christians in Russia. Pure hypocrisy. I’m sure you will give the assumed response, “anti-semite“ just like liberals label tea partiers ”racist,” but I urge you to do the research and read about the jewish role in the Bolshevik party before you give your trained reactionary response.
Report Post »franknshadow
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 12:13pmActually, I will research that history, but thanks for the assumptions jackwagon..
Report Post »drattastic
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 12:19pm@SOUTHERN I don’t have a beef with Jews but that was an interesting post and I will do some research. I do however have a big problem with communist,I loathe them.
Report Post »13th Imam
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 12:25pmSouthern
You pick out a tiny bit of history(time) and condemn a group ( Happens to be Jews), for the worlds problems. Alot like AL GORE, picking out a small bit of time and saying that Manmade Global Warming, is a fact and never before in the history of earth has the climate changed. RE Al Gore
Joined by the Heart, book jacket describes him ,During 25 yrs of public service(lpublic leech) , he has made the FAMILY a priority by working (Working???) for new solutions that address the needs of FAMILY”S and COMMUNITY ( organizers) He is now a perfesser at both Fisk university ( Good old FU) and Mid Tenn St Univ , where he teaches FAMILY _CENTERED COMMUNITY BUILDING.
Katayno
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 12:48pmSouthern:
Report Post »We all have things in History we hate to own…..Slavery….slaughtering the Indians. The Jews do NOT deserve the treatment they receive through out the world. I am sick of the world kissing the butts of the most dispicable murderous people on the planet because of the oil they have in the ground that WE helped them find.
Rowgue
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 1:07pmWow that was an interesting re-write of history. I‘m sure some morons will believe it and you’ll have a couple more jew hater converts.
Report Post »yippyio
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 2:08pmThere sinister hatred of Christians is all around you. As Glenn says do you homework.
Report Post »Rowgue
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 2:13pmThe theory that Jews were communists and the driving force behind the russian revolution is an invention of Hitler. He put that imaginary idea forth as justification for exterminating them.
Report Post »Ser Scot
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 4:37pmSouthernloyalty,
And these people did these things because they were Jewish and not because they were devoted Bolshevicks? Further, you don’t damn an entire group of people for what a few people do.
Report Post »franknshadow
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 8:58pmActually did do some research SOUTHERNLOYALTY, and what I found is that the Klan is still alive and active in the south… You actually preach this bs with a straight face?? An unadulterated hate site, really?? Do you go to rape sites for sex education?? Don’t worry SOUTHERN, nobody here wants to be your equal..
Report Post »Obama Bin Lying
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 11:54amNow I know where Mel Gibson gets his clothes from
Report Post »yippyio
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 2:03pmIt not easy to be funny.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 11:53amHey Galliano, Gays didn’t fair any better than the Jews in The Third Reich. Have another drink and sing Deutschland Uber Alles.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 3:13pmThose that don’t know history are destined to repeat it.
Report Post »Gita
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 11:53amWonder what would have happened had he said I love Che or Mao. Probably a raise!
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 12:23pmKinda doubt that one.
Report Post »STATE IRON
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 5:14pmYeah, Hitler would have loved this guy too….pause…not!
Report Post »hauschild
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 11:53amPretty wild – these progressives don’t even understand who HItler really was.
Report Post »Ditto Head
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 12:11pm@HAUSCHILD
Report Post »Here’s who Hitler was: a vile racist who tried to take Darwinism to it’s natural destination. Many people already know this, but for those who don’t, this was the full original title of the evil racist-mysogynist Darwin’s book: “On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life”. Charlie (and many, many people of that time) were racists, and Charlie’s book came out just before the US Civil War. Hitler love Darwin, and so did Marx.
Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 12:14pmI think any knucklehead could be a “designer” with the right pair of kneepads :-)
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 12:21pm“Take your runway shoes and walk!”
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 12:23pmCorrection:
Report Post »“Design your walking shoes and run.”
banjarmon
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 12:25pmThis guy needs to be in the mid-east where he can make designer burkers.
Report Post »sleazyhippo
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 12:25pmAnd why is this a story?
Report Post »CatB
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 12:25pmThey must have really taken heat on this … I didn’t think anything like this could get you thrown out in the fashion world … amazing! Good call Dior. And WAY TO GO Natalie Portman.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 12:26pmGlad they have fired the guy in question, Hitler matches one simple definition:
Mad and evil incarnate within one person.
Report Post »copper
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 12:31pmThey understand who Hitler was. Today its cool to be associated with the progressives/marxist/globalists/Islamists and their hate filled agenda to rule the world. The problem is they are so arrogant and now blatant because they believe their revolution’s time has come. Just as Glenn always shows, their arrogance leads them to expose themselves. I bet he is shocked he wasn’t applauded, just like JW Booth thought he would be lauded as a hero for assassinating Lincoln. Make no mistake they ALL want the end of Israel. Jews have been blamed for all the ills of the world forever. They are even hated by their own kinsmen like Noam Chomsky and Marx.
Report Post »colonial10
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 12:36pmWhat is ugly is peoples ability to not admit their mistakes. Sickening.
Report Post »colonial10
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 12:37pmFire him. Good job on the management.
Report Post »Sinista Mace
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 12:45pmThe picture of that guy on the headline of the story with long curly hair is extremely disturbing and frightening.
Report Post »Rowgue
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 12:49pm@DITTO HEAD
Darwins works were about natural selection. The tendency of more adaptable species to flourish and those less so to dwindle. There isn’t a single word written by Darwin suggesting that Jews were an inferior race.
Ween yourself off of the whackjob websites.
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 12:53pm@sleazyhippo
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 12:25pm
And why is this a story?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
So we can know more about the designer that Dior fired.
Why are you commenting if you don‘t think it’s a story?
Report Post »Ditto Head
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 1:10pm@ROWGE
Report Post »I’ve been studying this issue since before you ever heard the phrase “dot com”. Darwin was a racist (proven fact) and Hitler used his writings to justify eliminating the “inferior races”, as he saw them. Like I tell the kids, you don’t have to like it, you just have to eat it.
coryf076
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 1:14pmI’ll say the exact same thing I said on another msm message board….This is front page news for….some idiot fashion designer making remarks about how he loves Hitler? Go to the middle east, there are millions of people there, including those in leadership positions, saying they love Hitler….I‘d say that’s probably a bigger story
Who cares…people say they love Stalin, Lenin, Che, Castro, Pinochet, Mao all the time…that never makes it to the front page….
Report Post »Rowgue
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 1:22pm@DITTO HEAD
Quote me a single sentence from Darwin that proves his racism. You’ve supposedly been researching the topic for most of your life. Surely you can provide a single example of it.
I usually respect Glenn’s viewpoints. I don’t always agree but I usually respect them because he does his homework on a subject. The one exception was THIS issue. He made assertions with not a single tangible piece of proof to support them. He didn’t do his homework on this one and he was wrong. You just fell for it.
Report Post »moriarty70
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 1:32pm@Ditto Head
Report Post »As you yourself said, many were racist at the time. Just because Hitler abused Darwin’s theories does not mean Darwin advocated for the Holocaust. Those who agree with his theory do not advocate for genocide. It’s a weak thread of logic and smacks of an attempt at calling those you disagree with evil.
exdem
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 1:50pmNow hes available to be one of Obamao’s Czars.
Report Post »This idiot? Van Jones? whats the difference.
AriBenTZion
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 2:16pmJohn Galliano is yet another angry queen. I think Galliano and Ron Reagan should date. They make the perfect couple.
Report Post »Rowgue
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 3:01pmHe‘s historically accurate in that Hitler and others have attempted to use Darwin’s theory as justification for their actions. That is the limit of his historical accuracy. The rest of it is rambling conjecture without basis.
Calling Darwin an evil racist mysogonist is not historically accurate. It’s simply a way to attempt to discredit his work. Somebody else perverting his theory and using that perversion to try to justify their ideology doesn’t say anything about Darwin.
Report Post »moriarty70
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 3:27pm@watchtheotherhand
Report Post »I posted without replying, if you look at page two you’ll see my response.
watchtheotherhand
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 3:53pm@ MORIAR and ROGUE…………..ROGUE “It’s simply a way to attempt to discredit his work. Somebody else perverting his theory and using that perversion to try to justify their ideology doesn’t say anything about Darwin.” I am afraid that no one needs to discredit his theory. Evolution when lived out in a consistent way will lead to these atrocities. The very engine that drives progressive evolution is merciless competition through death and extinction of less adept populations. Hitler and Sanger have not perverted his theory in any way shape or form and I challenge you to prove that statement. They simply lived it out to its logical conclusion in a most horrifyingly consistent way.
MORIAR….”but then again the Bible was used to defend the Crusades and the Inquisition. Using something as a defense doesn’t mean that was the original purpose. ” AAAAhhhhhh but the Bible was not utilized in a consistent way with its teachings to carry out those injustices. Be very careful where you tread in your argument. Evolutionary theory was most definitely consistently used to perpetrate those atrocities.
You also state that no one knows who the best adapted population will be. but this demonstrates your lack of understanding of the theory of evolution. It is not based on anything other than the strongest survive, if that is by brute force then that is who is most fit to survive according to the mechanism of Darwin’s evolutionary theory. Like in nature the one that is most brutal, most ruthless, most competitive will be the dominant species. You cannot assert morality in any way into the picture, not and remain faithful to the pure theory of evolution !!!!
You may hold to your 2 stated positions but they are not logically consistent with one another at all they are inherently contradictory. Your assertion that the tech savoy or wealthy are the strongest or most fit is not a true assertion in regards to the strongest survive. If a third world country developed nuclear weapons and had the brutality to use them on the USA then they would by default be the stronger of the 2 groups you exemplified. You see evolution takes no sides and shows no favoritism or pity. It’s only winner is the one who survives regardless of the mechanism of survival. My argument is that there is a greater Truth that gives honor and dignity to all human life and that is the basis I can condemn Hitler and Sanger and the like. But you have an illogical and contradictory belief if you try to hold to both. Just as a disclaimer I have helped teach at the college level the theory of evolution and I do not hold to the theory of evolution personally because of its many inconsistencies. You cannot hold both positions and remain fully consistent to both beliefs. You have to compromise one or the other. You have no solid ground with which to condemn any of Hitler‘s actions and if you reread your post it sounds like you tried to condemn him not on the evil of destroying another human being but because he was ignorant of which human being to destroy simply because he couldn’t KNOW which one was more adapted (which is a wrong application of survival of the fittest anyway.)
Report Post »moriarty70
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 4:10pm@watchtheotherhand
Report Post »I think I see where we aren’t going to come to agreement. You keep refering to “purely” hold to a single idea. I can’t do that. I hold multiple ideas, many of which will contradict at different times. It falls to the lessons I‘ve learned and the morals I’ve been instilled with to decide which view/idea is dominant at any given time. My agrument against Hitler was based on the fact that we were discussing it from the perspective of Darwin’s journals, but in everyday life when I look at those actions, my respect for my fellow humans raises to the top and of course condemns his actions on a moral and emotional level. The fact that is up for debate about anyone is terrifying.
watchtheotherhand
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 4:52pm@ MORIAR….exactly and my question for you is where did that compassion for fellow man originate? See in your intellect you try to hold to evolutionary teaching but you have been taught that all human life has inherent dignity and value. This is commendable in my opinion and right. But what you were taught collides significantly with the foundation of evolution and everything it is based on that you believe to be a scientific fact. My point is that one belief or the other has to be in error because both cannot be true based on the law of logic and Aristotle’s definition of truth. Not trying at all to be condescending or holier than thou or better or anything like that. Please do not misunderstand my discussion with you both just trying to get you to maybe challenge your thoughts about some things and there validity and consistency (or lack there of). If you find I am false or mistaken then just ignore what I have said.
Report Post »Scorchem
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 5:41pmHitler, Dior and Galliano all look pretty nasty up close!
Report Post »moriarty70
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 5:47pm@WATCHTHEOTHERHAND
| think because of a lifelong fascination with quantum theory and sub-atomic laws I’m able to hold two seemingly conflicting views as both true.
In regards to evolution this is very easy to do since I‘ve always looked to it’s laws as how species adapt to their environment. That’s not something humanity has done since before we started recording history. Once we started adapting our environment to ourselves (building houses, agriculture, etc) evolution no longer became an issue since everyone became, for the most part, the same. I may not have been clear on that earlier. And yes, this is me also admitting it was a flawed analogy with the tech savvy earlier.
Also, I wouldn’t say “inherent” dignity, but the dignity of equality. I see other humans as the same as myself to a large enough extent that I treat them the same. the same as most animals don’t hunt their own.
And on a personal note, I never detected any condescension and I hope I didn’t put any out myself. I love the fairly rare chance on here to engage in intelligent conversation. I don‘t think you’re wrong in your conclusions, I think we just have different process and come to different answers. Mine just happens to include multiple possible truths.
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 6:54pm@ MORIAR……..I agree with you on the discussion your candor of your views and your ability to be humble in your presentations is a testament to your character. I am a firm believer in challenging my own views. If what we hold is really true we should never be afraid to have it tried and tested by reason, facts, and logic. If it stands the test we should hold onto it dearly if it should fail then we should question our view. One of the greatest tragedies one can commit against themselves is not to live in error, but to hold onto it at all costs. I find that my pride is the single greatest obstacle to discovering truth and I believe if everyone was honest they would have to agree. I hold to a Universal Truth as revealed by God as creator of all things that is true at all times in all circumstances and through all cultures. I have found that this is the only position that has stood all tests of reason and logic as far as I am concerned. I used to be an atheist who would have espoused evolution at one time until I really began to honestly test my “beliefs” with reason, logic, and facts. Thank you for the engagement may you be blessed today.
There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all argument, and which cannot fail to keep man in everlasting ignorance. That principle is condemnation before investigation………..
Edmund Spencer
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Posted on March 1, 2011 at 8:33pmIn regards to evolution this is very easy to do since I‘ve always looked to it’s laws as how species adapt to their environment. That’s not something humanity has done since before we started recording history. Once we started adapting our environment to ourselves (building houses, agriculture, etc) evolution no longer became an issue since everyone became, for the most part, the same. I may not have been clear on that earlier. And yes, this is me also admitting it was a flawed analogy with the tech savvy earlier.
@MORIARTY
Report Post »You‘ve referenced Evolution’s “laws” (I capitalize Evolution because it’s a proper noun, in this case your god) concerning how species adapt to their environment. Herein lies the crux of the controversy. The word “evolution” (and its associated usages) has become a catch-all term that is used in a multitude of contexts, however, the word in all it’s usages could be completely and accuratly replaced with the terms “adapt” and “develop”. When “speciation” occurs (a phenomenon Evolutionists love to use as proof that we “evolved” from slime) in a given genus, it is common, and maybe even correct, to say that evolution has occurred, however, the organism is still of the same genus. The change of an organism’s genus is impossible. Every observable biological “law” confirms this IRREFUTABLY. I’m not a scientist, and I may be in way over my head with you on a purely academic basis, but, I can figure out that if I cross a given species of cat with a different species of cat, a new species has “developed”, but, that new species is still of the same genus as its parents. I could do it jillions of times, but, the genus would never and could never change. It’s a testament to the infinite wisdom of the Creator. Sadly for the Evolutionist, his doctrine of life having “emerged” undesigned and by accident is unscientific, unscriptural, and illogical.
watchtheotherhand
Posted on March 1, 2011 at 9:56pm@ DITTOHEAD…………..What you are citing is MICROEVOLUTON ( we can see this happen all the time with the examples you have given) versus MACROEVOLUTION ( which has never been observed and is simply a theory). The confusion comes in how one defines species. This is very difficult to do in some instances and is after all just a human invention just to help classify animals. The more easy description is what the Bible calls “kind”……..http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/aid/v3/n1/zonkeys-ligers-wholphins Each animal or plant can reproduce after its own kind. In this instance we can see and it has been successfully done to cross a tiger and a lion called a liger. However, you cannot cross a lion with a bear, or a dog with a cat. It just does not happen. Microevolution is simply diversity or variations within kinds and happens all the time. This however does not give rise to a new “kind” ever. The fossil record is amazingly void of these types of transitions. This is why the theory of punctuated equilibrium (purposed by Stephen J Gould) was even adopted by modern evolutionists because they finally had to come up with some justification as to why there was such a void on the fossil record of transitional kinds. Hope this helps with some of the confusion that exists on this topic.
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Posted on March 2, 2011 at 12:32am@OTHERHAND
Report Post »I intentionally refrained from using the terms “micro” and “macro” evolution. I’m very well aware of all the phraseology used in these debates, which I’ve been involved in extensively over the years. I’ve read several big, boring books on the subject. Concerning the “Liger”, both lions and tigers are of the same genus. When they are mated, the offspring is of the same genus, even though a new species is developed. My point is, that doesn’t prove macro-evolution. Are we in agreement on that? They’re all the same “kind” of animal. When an Evolutionist demands that I give the definition of a “kind” (which is popular red herring they love to try to stump you with), I explain that a “kind” is a group of organisms that are of the same genus. Obviously taxonomy is far from a hard science, and, even though originally conceived by Carl Linnaeus, a Lutheran, it is now extremely biased toward Evolutionary thinking, e.g., the bearded dragon is of the genus Pogona, while the ankylosaurus is of the genus Ankylosaurus. They are the same kind of animal, but since Earth’s little “climate change” about 4400 years ago, they don’t get too big. The Evolutionists can’t get it through their thick skulls that “dinosaurs” aren’t exstinct, they’re just small. They somehow think it’s “scientific” to conclude that birds are their descendants. Well, good luck with that.
JayCee
Posted on March 2, 2011 at 8:28amHe loves Hitler?
Report Post »Does he know Hitler’s stance on homosexuals?
Obviously not.
watchtheotherhand
Posted on March 2, 2011 at 8:51am@ DITTOHEAD………….We are in complete agreement. I didn’t mean to offend just wanted others to understand what we were talking about. When trying to stump you with defining “kind”. I would ask them to define “species” it isn’t as easy as most people think and you/I could flow with some very tricky questions and examples to prove our point. Keep speakin’ truth !!!!!!!!
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