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Update: Michele Bachmann‘s Church Departure Not Really ’A Rev. Wright Moment’

Michele Bachmann Salem Lutheran Church MembershipOn Friday, The Blaze reported on some new questions that have emerged regarding GOP Rep. Michele Bachmann’s official separation from Salem Lutheran Church, a house of worship she and her family attended for years.

An anonymous source from within Bachmann’s presidential campaign tells CBN’s David Brody that the presidential contender stopped attending the church a few years ago over “preference issues” (i.e. differences in opinion). If true, this account could debunk theories that Bachmann‘s departure was rooted in political fears over her former denomination’s controversial stance on Catholicism.

The controversy over Bachmann’s church began after it was noted that Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod (WELS), the broader denomination to which Bachmann’s former church belonged, holds some unconventional views on the Catholic Church. Just six days before her official campaign launch, the congresswoman officially withdrew her membership from the congregation. Bachmann’s aide tells Brody why the family separated from the church:

The aide, who asked not to be identified, says Congresswoman Bachmann ran into the pastor from Salem Lutheran Church at an event last month. During the coincidental encounter, the pastor inquired about how he had not seen the Bachmann family at church for a good period of time. Bachmann explained that they were attending a non-denominational evangelical church the last few years. During the conversation, she told him it would be best for her and her husband to no longer be members.

Rather than Bachmann seeking out the pastor as some outlets have led readers to assume, the aide claims that the meeting was by chance. According to this anonymous source, the Bachmanns began looking for a new church more than two years ago after they moved, but they left their membership in tact at Salem Lutheran.

The aide would not specify whether the church‘s views on Catholicism played into Bachmann’s decision to leave. That being said, the congresswoman has repeatedly stated that she does not embrace these ideals.

Considering the timeframe presented, it is quite possible that the media are looking for a controversy embedded in Bachmann’s church departure that simply does not exist. Following the religious bombshell that was Rev. Wright and the continued importance of personal faith in elections, this search — among all of the candidates — is to be expected.

Two years ago, Bachmann did not yet know she would be running for the presidency, so her decision to no longer attend Salem Lutheran was likely not political — though we cannot know for sure.

Perhaps she was worried about the perception people would have if her official membership (though she was no longer attending) was still devoted to a denomination with such controversial views. Or, perhaps she and her family simply want to become members somewhere else and the timing is unfortunately suspect. Either way, this aide’s comments on the matter add perspective.

In the end, comparing this mild controversy to the firebomb that was Rev. Wright may be a bit of a stretch.

Comments (108)

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  • tom
    Posted on July 18, 2011 at 7:48pm

    Catholics, what the church (U.S. Bishops) won’t tell you is voting for Obama is “intrinsic evil” and puts your soul in a state of grave danger in God’s eyes! Vote Obama out in 2012. See short video below. http://www.realcatholictv.com/daily/vort.php

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    • jzs
      Posted on July 18, 2011 at 11:06pm

      Bachmann has made many videotaped comments on religion, including a lot about God telling her what to do: marry this guy, go to law school, become a tax lawyer, run for office and etc. Frankly, I don’t want a representitive or President who thinks God is talking to them. That’s what they have in Iran, and that’s why Iran is such a scary country. They don’t respond to reality, they look for revelations from God about whether, for example, to bomb Israel. They think less about their country being leveled by NATO bombs, than what they think God is telling them.

      I don’t want a President who thinks God is telling them what to do. A religious President, no problem. A President thinks they are having conversations with God? No.

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    • Dale
      Posted on July 18, 2011 at 11:23pm

      jzs;

      How do you connect Michelle Bachmann with Muslims? I am deeply puzzled!

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    • Steve
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 2:28am

      JZS. Don’t you know that every believer of the carpenter of Nazareth has a personal relationship with God? He talks (prays to him) and listens (through his christian heart) of what God expects he/she to do.

      To not speak or listen is not be a be a true follower of the faith.

      Thought you needed to know.

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    • Steve
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 2:32am

      JZS.

      As to your comparison to the Islamic and Christian faith. I strongly suggest you understand the principals of Christianity and the principals of Islam.

      Sounds like your having a Rosie O’donnell moment.

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    • Steve
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 2:43am

      JZS.

      It‘s not I’m picking on you I’m just debating your posts.

      Obama didn’t go to your conventional Christian Church. Actually I wouldn’t consider Trinity in Chicago a Christian Christ teaching based church at all. If you do then they Christ who would support a Radical Black supremacist church with Marxist tenets fueled by Black Liberation theology. They sold and rented books of Islam (a direct conflict within the teachings of Christ) in their library and book store. If you believe this is Christian based then I have to question your understanding of the scriptures and Christs teachings.

      Again I’m not picking on you specifically but please understand all the facts of what you post so as not be question of your understanding and perceptions on what the media tells you to believe.

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    • Hoosier
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 8:48am

      No…….it’s simply a coverup for Mr. Baby-Boomer-Beck.

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    • Who would Jesus bomb?
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 11:44am

      Who cares??? I wouldn’t care if she worships the devil – that would be much less offensive to me than attending the asinine, ranting lunacy of the reverend Wright for 2 weeks, let alone 20 years. Wait, I don’t want Ms. Bachmann worshiping Hillary…. I forgot! Go Bachmann!!!

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    • Nathan
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 12:41pm

      The priest in my parish as well as Tim Staples on Catholic Radio, has pointed out that voting the Catholic way means you can’t vote for OBama. this is because of the 5 moral topic Abortion, Contraception, etc these are black and white issues of the CC . The Church it self in the CCC talks about Subsidiarity as well as far as the gov’t having to much power. Any way I don’t tell you this to start a argument. Cardinal Sean Omailey my Bishop in Boston, has talked and asked all Catholics to heed the call as a Catholic and basically act like one. Even though if people who are Catholic vote for Obama, it‘s not the person that saddens God it’s the ideals that are voted for. Plus with his mercy forgiveness is possible. Today when you say something is intrinsic evil people just run away because they think a lighting bolt will fry them and send them to hell. That’s not the way it works. It’s not the way to reach people either to make the right decision. It‘s not just because it’s Obama if W. believed the same things as Obama I wouldn’t have voted for him either.

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    • Orion the truth hunter
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 4:03pm

      @ JZS “I don’t want a President who thinks God is telling them what to do”
      Then you should be VERY happy right now because I do not believe the GOD of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is telling the president to do the things that he is doing. The jury is out on who else might be speaking to him.

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    • LibertariansUnite
      Posted on July 20, 2011 at 4:33pm

      She voted for the Patriot Act so it really does not matter.

      Ron Paul 2012.

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  • LinkedIn G
    Posted on July 18, 2011 at 7:30pm

    Liberals always want to drive a wedge between conservatives… whether it’s Judaism vs. Christians…or Catholics vs. LDS…or Lutherans vs. Catholics….They all have different beliefs…or they would all be called the same thing. I can say that I identify with Republicans because they share my beliefs. Does every Republican believe exactly like I do ? Well, of course not. Does Nancy Pelosi share even one of my beliefs ? Well, of course not. I’ll stand with Israel, Lutherans, LDS, and Catholics over Nancy Pelosi every time. I identify myself as simply Christian. I’m not falling for the liberal ploy to attempt to divide us.

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    • foobear
      Posted on July 18, 2011 at 7:58pm

      I’m a Lutheran, but I think the RCC is correct on most issues except when it comes to sex.

      The RCC is not only crazy when it comes to sex (which isn’t limited just to the RCC, after all), but is explicitly anti-Bible in things like mandating priestly celibacy. It’s hilarious watching them trying to explain away (it’s a metaphor!!) the requirements that Bishops be married and have obedient children as a way of demonstrating their character.

      Fundies are anti-Bible on a lot more issues, like the laughable notion that God hates alcohol, when Jesus’ first miracle was making mass quantities of high-quality wine. (It was grape juice!!)

      Mormons, at least, have given up on having any evidence for their religion, and just make a pragmatic argument about how great their families are.

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    • JimConstitution
      Posted on July 18, 2011 at 7:58pm

      Nick said, “What must I do to be saved?”

      Jesus said, “You must be born-again.”

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    • jzs
      Posted on July 18, 2011 at 10:55pm

      Uh, LINKEDIN, I read all read all the regular news outlets and this is the only website that I’ve seen report anything about the church Bachmann attends. So don’t blame the liberals. Maybe you‘re thinking about the way people like you have attacked Obama’s Christian faith.

      But now that you and this website has raised the issue, maybe I’m worried that Bachmann worships a God who hates Catholics and would have them excluded from government and would have them banished from Earth, like Muslims, like homosexuals.

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    • Quinientos
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 5:21pm

      @FOOBEAR “Mormons, at least, have given up on having any evidence for their religion, and just make a pragmatic argument about how great their families are.”
      Mormons haven’t given up on anything. From where I stand there’s all the evidence in the world needed to support the restored gospel of Jesus Christ. And on top of all that, the Holy Spirit testifying of truth is all the evidence anyone needs.
      Best of all, there’s absolutely no talk of politics in worship services (that’s how you get Mormons on completely differenct spectrums i.e. Beck vs. Romney vs Reid, etc.) or bashing of other religions. The only thing remotely political the LDS church gets involved in are social issues such as marriage, homosexuality, chastity, abortion, etc. Any talk of social justice or collective salvation in my congregation (never has been) will get shut down. (I would loooove to be in Harry Reid’s congregation!)
      I don’t care what faith a person professes to believe…as long as they acknowledge the hand of God in the founding of our country, If they are good, honest, real, and dedicated to the constitution and the liberties it protects…they’re ok by me.

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    • Zorro6821
      Posted on July 20, 2011 at 5:31am

      I agree who cares. The debate should never be about religion, but the candidate. Bachman is a slash and burn candidate with no real solutions. Example..Healthcare, “Repeal and Place”…now her new tune Repeal only with no solutions for the soaring cost of care. Bachman is a pretty face but that’s about it.

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  • GadsdenGurl
    Posted on July 18, 2011 at 7:28pm

    *YAWN* — and they ignored Obama’s dealings with Wright?

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  • bbgbunny
    Posted on July 18, 2011 at 7:21pm

    @alanofpc Did you also read where King James the wonder king of the protestants ordered the rape of nuns, the hanging of priests, the burning of churches and the complete rewrite of the bible because he didn’t agree with the pope and there we have the Church of England. Yes there were killings in the history of religion but hopefully we have all learned from that. I have been a protestant and a catholic so I know both churches. I heard more bigotry in the protestant church than in the catholic church and more misquotes born out of ignorance. So all churches are guilty of sin against their neighbor but when a church in todays society preaches hate for another religion then it is some place I would rather not be. It could be Michele just got sick of listening to it and moved on.

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    • JimConstitution
      Posted on July 18, 2011 at 7:54pm

      noting like confusion to keep you on the straight and narrow

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    • conservativewoman
      Posted on July 18, 2011 at 11:09pm

      Thank you. A very good reminder to some very misguided Protestants who fall for the hate their pastors teach them without question.

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    • Steve
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 2:56am

      Christs teaching is of love and understanding. Man through the ages has corrupted his words for their own gain. Man is born of sin! When you understand this and believe in the word of Christ and not what some pastor tells you to believe or interprets the word for you then your path with Christ is on the straight and narrow. Group Bible Studies are essential in that no one man tells you what a parable means it’s a group discussion based around the understanding Of Christs tenants and teachings.

      The COE was corrupted beyond hope. The crusades where proof of this. The mayflower to our founders are the example of the liberties and freedoms taught within his words. Man will always fail will always be corrupt. He will always twist the teachings of religion for his ends.

      (side note) Islam is straight out Evil. It‘s teachings are warlike and it mandates it’s followers to promote terror and death. When one compares the two It’s evident of complete ignorance of the facts.

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  • Diamond Girl
    Posted on July 18, 2011 at 7:17pm

    Golly gee…this isn’t breaking news…this was done a couple of years back, if anyone had read the first story that went viral it stated as such here and there, many didn’t bother to read all it entailed, the left ran with it…same ol’, same ol’…it does get tiring.

    Btw…Love Bachmann, have for many years…Santorum as well.

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    • JimConstitution
      Posted on July 18, 2011 at 7:50pm

      Bachmann yes, Santorim no, he is catholic, will skip that box unless he becames the one to run against Obama.

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  • teddrunk
    Posted on July 18, 2011 at 7:08pm

    Born & raised Catholic, switched to WELS Lutheran when I first had kids. I couldn’t stand all the liberal feel of the Church or the Commie “Social Justice” priests. The fact they wouldn’t get rid of Democrat baby killers like Ted Kennedy was the straw that broke the camels back. Didn’t even know about the pedophiles back then.

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    • foobear
      Posted on July 18, 2011 at 8:00pm

      It’s nice to see such proud products of the Wisconsin Synod like you, Teddy boy.

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    • ClunkerT
      Posted on July 18, 2011 at 9:58pm

      I think Governor Cuomo is a Roman Catholic. He just signed a Bill allowing Homosexuals to get married in NYS. Why the hell isn’t he being excommunicated or at least denied communion? Obama, the most PRO-abortion President this country ever elected, was a welcome guest at Notre Dame and the young Roman Catholic students and faculity gave him a standing ovation. The only Catholic with the guts to protest the baby killing President was Randal Terry. NOT ONE damn Roman Catholic Bishop was anywere to be found. They are all bags of hot air. They will write letters but NEVER put themselves on the line like Randal Terry. Shame on their sorry asses.

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    • conservativewoman
      Posted on July 18, 2011 at 10:55pm

      Will you jump up and leave the Lutherans also when you find something you don’t agree with them on?

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    • LibertyWon
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 3:08am

      @conservativewoman
      Many already have. The Lutherans have split over the GLTG decisions of the national board.
      New associations are appearing across the nation. In Minnesota, 63 churches have split from the ELCA alone and have formed the NALC. There is definite a culture war being waged in our churches.

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  • LouiseCA
    Posted on July 18, 2011 at 6:39pm

    There is nothing wrong with anyone changing churches. It’s apparent that she just no longer felt they belong there. It happens every day. Like someone else said, “There’s nothing here, move on.”

    I believe my vote is going to Hermann Cain. He clearly understands the economin/jobs/business situation the best of any of them, understands the actual extent of the problems with Islam, and has a grasp on the Israel/Middle East situation.

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    • MauveMelon
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 3:16pm

      I couldn’t agree with you more in your desire to consider Herman Cain. He is the only one who is honest enough to state the facts instead of being ‘politically correct’ so much that all of this is overlooked. Have to say that I admire that Herman Cain does that.

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  • ares338
    Posted on July 18, 2011 at 6:35pm

    I could give a hoot in Hades less where someone goes to church as long as they STOP SPENDING!

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  • santramir
    Posted on July 18, 2011 at 6:10pm

    non christians are taking advantage of the lutheran’s christian germanic protestant rupture.

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  • blue_sky
    Posted on July 18, 2011 at 6:10pm

    Based on my fact checks, Bachmann began studying the constitution only last year, voted for Patriot Act, and adopted “Tea Party” mask as a backup shill for the establishment if Obama fails. The second back-up plan is Rick Perry the media will be pushing to us soon.

    Obama=Bush=Bachman=endless wars, torture, TSA, spying. Bachmann has no clue about functioning of economy and monetary policies. Only RON PAUL stands tall. That is why US active service solders donate to Ron Paul more than to other candidates combined!!!

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    • Bullwinkle
      Posted on July 18, 2011 at 6:56pm

      Wouldn’t surprise me at all. With politics it’s hard to be cynical enough to keep up.

      The real issue is that no matter who gets in, short of someone like Paul, it will be politics as usual. I expect the GOP to field someone who can “work with Democrats.” Code language for just another big government, one worlder running as the “opposition” so that people believe they have a real choice.

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    • The_Eye
      Posted on July 18, 2011 at 7:02pm

      wait, so she only started studying the constitution last year despite her holding an advanced law degree? Methinks you need to do a little more fact checking.

      I‘m not going to argue whether RP is or isn’t a good candidate or whether Bachmann is or isn‘t but your ’fact check‘ doesn’t pass the smell test.

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    • blue_sky
      Posted on July 18, 2011 at 7:14pm

      The_Eye, If you watched Bachman interviews last year, she solicited Andrew Napolitano to teach Constitution classes for newly organized Tea Party caucus in the House. During the interview she had no idea that voting for Patriot Act was violation of constitutional amendment (even after people informed her what Patriot Act stands for.)

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    • therealconservative
      Posted on July 18, 2011 at 7:41pm

      Ron Paul has partnered with Barney Frank (Fannie and Freddie Pal), to leagalize marijuana.

      Yea, standing tall.

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    • Zorro6821
      Posted on July 18, 2011 at 8:16pm

      You obviously can she through bull. I agree only Ron Paul= Change

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    • blue_sky
      Posted on July 18, 2011 at 9:46pm

      therealconservative, “Ron Paul … to leagalize marijuana.” Think about it, if drugs are legal
      1) Drug dealers are out of jobs. Save billions on FBI and Police drug war freeing police to better patrol the streets. Young kids wont have career of a drug dealer.
      2) Licensed drug prevent drugs to going to minors from suppliers. Price of drugs plunge down and can be taxed;
      3) Prison population can be reduced by 800,000 per year (that is $46,000 for each).
      4) Saved money and sale tax will be enough to treat addicts not a criminals, but as a medical condition.

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  • pompey
    Posted on July 18, 2011 at 6:02pm

    …evil socialist media continues to try to undo Bachmann and from their prospective with good reason. Not only can Bachmann defeat there candidate, but once done she will begin the process of tearing out the bitter roots of socialism planted in America by Barrack Obama……

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  • momprayn
    Posted on July 18, 2011 at 6:01pm

    Nothing here…move on. I think Rev. Wright’s church that taught non-mainstream hatred, black liberation theology, hatred for America, etc. is a little different than a Conservative Lutheran church. Didn’t seem to bother Dems though (fit right into their own beliefs and agenda). I guess the left thinks this would hopefully cause division, in-fighting, questions enough to bring down her popularity among Conservatives. It doesn’t matter for what reasons they left. It wouldn’t have anything to do with her patriotism, proConstitutional stances as President. Sheesh.

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    • survivorseed
      Posted on July 18, 2011 at 6:31pm

      just look at the division it causes on the Blaze alone. You don’t need the left to bring you down, you do a good job between yourselves

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    • Gavinwcaf
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 11:07am

      almost all organized churches are teaching social justice, not christianity. when this starts it time to leave this church. you do not have to belong to an organized church to blieve in god. when the church turns comminist time to get up and go.

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  • blue_sky
    Posted on July 18, 2011 at 6:00pm

    What Fascism, Socialism, Trade Unions, Communism, Corporatism, Crony Capitalism have in common? They are all FOR big government, group rights and special interests and AGAINST individual liberty, free competition and meritocracy. My vote goes to Dr. Ron Paul.

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    • therealconservative
      Posted on July 18, 2011 at 8:12pm

      Right, just what we need another RHINO

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    • cous1933
      Posted on July 18, 2011 at 11:53pm

      Therealconservative,
      It seems that you are misinformed as to what “real” conservatism is and what a real Republican is vs a RINO (Republican In Name Only – not Rhino). The Republican Party began in the 1850′s and was named in honor of Thomas Jeffersons Republican principles of liberty, small government, individual rights and responsibility. And unlike todays neocon Republicans, traditional conservative Republicans do not support the Military-Industrial Complex, empire building and aggressive foreign policy.
      Make no mistake Ron Paul is the real conservative. For you to call him a “Rhino” and yourself “Therealconservative” is an ironic reversal of labels.
      I think the best test of a Republican candidate is to compare them to the ultimate Republican, Thomas Jefferson. Only Ron Paul can live up to that comparison.
      Politicians like Michele Bachmann (a one-time Democrat campaigning for Jimmy Carter) who voted for the unconstitutional Patriot Act, and her supporters who don’t seem to mind occasional violations of the Constitution, are the real neocons and Rinos.

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  • banjarmon
    Posted on July 18, 2011 at 5:59pm

    The lib left would dig all the way to hell if they though it would help their cause…They are trying it with Bachmann because they are afraid of her…BACHMANN 2012!!!!

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  • bikerr
    Posted on July 18, 2011 at 5:55pm

    Buckle up people it’s gonna be a long time until 2012,I can’t wait.The main stream Idiots are gonna try and elect the next President, but it will fail! It’s gonna get hotter as the election draws near. Most of the people on the conservative side (voters and runners) are aware of this bias and are prepared.

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  • PhilipJames
    Posted on July 18, 2011 at 5:46pm

    Spin Spin Spin…. look, it there was nothing wrong with this church, she would not have done this.
    Here is a question…
    Did those differences of opinion occur just when she decided that she would consider running for the Presidency?
    How about a question as to whether, after 10 years, the teachings of the church had changed in the last few years or were they always the same?
    If the same, then what about the 7 or 8 years she agreed with them?

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  • AlanOfPC
    Posted on July 18, 2011 at 5:38pm

    People keep saying this church has a “controversial” stance on Catholicism. NO IT DOES NOT!!!!! It has the ORIGINAL view. The same belief as EVERY ONE OF THE PROTESTANT REFORMERS! People have become “religiously ignorant” because the Roman Catholic Church has had it’s image purified over time and no one knows their history any more. This is an organization that has killed more people than Hitler, Mao, & Stalin COMBINED! Read Foxe’s Book of Martyrs to see what a “godly” church were talking about. They’d still be burning people and beheading them had their political power not been stripped by the French in 1798 during the French revolution. PLEASE PEOPLE, do your historical research!

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    • Christabel
      Posted on July 18, 2011 at 5:44pm

      There’s a difference in knowing the history and having faith. I don‘t disagree with you with the Catholic Church’s past. But every single human event has had blood shed. I can’t attribute catholics today to murderers of the past else I condemn half my family. Or for that matter, condemn each and every one of us since there is not one person on Earth that has had some ancestoral history to great suffering.

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    • encinom
      Posted on July 18, 2011 at 7:35pm

      Nothing like the Know-Nothing wing of the Tbagger party running to Bachmann’s defense. Are you still upset that they still allow Catholics to enter into this Country. I bet if you had the chance you would have voted against Kennedy, don’t want a papist in the White House.

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    • Dudley Do-Right
      Posted on July 18, 2011 at 7:59pm

      The Blaze won‘t even let me post Martin Luther’s own words urging his followers to burn the Jews in their synagogues! Imagine that, Your founders own words are censored here. Nice religion you have there!

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    • Dudley Do-Right
      Posted on July 18, 2011 at 8:02pm

      I suggest you google Martin Luther’s, “The Jews And Their Lies”

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    • ClunkerT
      Posted on July 18, 2011 at 10:02pm

      You lied through your teeth Allan. Roman Catholics didn’t come close to killing as many as Mao, Stalin, Lennin, Hitler and Pol Pot. I am not a Catholic but I do like the truth and as I said you lied through your teeth. Nice try!!

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    • Dudley Do-Right
      Posted on July 18, 2011 at 10:32pm

      William Miller was a Baptist Minister who calculated the return of Christ to take place in 1850 at Mount Kelloggs where they make Corn Flakes. Miller and about 50,000 of his followers sold everything and dressed up in white robes to await the Lords Second Coming. That is why this event is remembered as the “Great Day of Disappointment. The largest of 4 groups that would emerge is the Seventh Day Adventist.

      The SDA are the largest group that came from this “Great day of Disappointment”. What else might they be wrong about?

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    • conservativewoman
      Posted on July 18, 2011 at 11:06pm

      I don’t usually argue with Protestants, but you were shouting against my church with your capital letters, so I will tell you what I think of the Protestant reformers. The Protestant reformers were serving Satan when they broke away from God’s church. There are now some 30,000 different Protestant sects, and each one preaches a different version of the bible, yet each one says they are
      correct. How do you possibly justify this. Your so called reformers took God’s word and decided to remove parts and add others. Would you say that was inspired by God or Satan? You have no where to come from judging my church, and I will answer your hate.

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    • encinom
      Posted on July 18, 2011 at 11:16pm

      @*******
      “No wonder the Bible identifies this adulterous church as Babylon the whore”

      Only it doesn’t. Just another statement from the bigots in the tbagger party. Given that the Catholic Church did not exist at the time of the quote and the fact that revelations is like any prophesy, clouded haze and could mean anything. Your statrement is only proof that the Know-Nothings of the 1800′s are still around with in the tbaggers.

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    • Steve
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 3:03am

      Dudley Do-Right

      What founders do you insinuate followed such doctrine and where can one obtain proof of said founders following said doctrine.

      Don’t just give me a link of The words show me proof of the founders.

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    • Steve
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 3:18am

      hey Dud. Whats your point?

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  • Christabel
    Posted on July 18, 2011 at 5:34pm

    I can’t play the video because of my computer. What is unconventional about their views on Catholics in this case? Just curious. Protestants and/or Lutherans always had something against Catholics since Luther nailed his note to the door.

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    • JimConstitution
      Posted on July 18, 2011 at 7:29pm

      Its not. As most know the word protestant means ‘the protest of catholic doctrine’ as in not following the scriptures of salvation by faith alone. Works, symbols, praying to the dead or for the dead are useless to escape the wrath of God to come.

      Martin Luther’s revelation, on bloody knees of penance to please God, brings us back to the born-again original teachings of scripture. Not a collective of persons under a hierarchical church gov.

      Controversy of a pope being ‘The Antichrist’ or the catholic members under the authority of him, being antichrists in teaching is not only not new but is the basis of protestants belief.

      To say that protestant and catholic teachings are minor could not be more incorrect.

      Protestants,,, salvation is faith alone in Christ’s birth, death and resurrection.

      Catholics,,, salvation is by baptism into The Church‘s belief in Christ’s suffering and living a Christ like life. When that fails one must be forgiven by the clergy. An act of penance by the sinner must be performed to resolve the issue. Only then is one to be happy and continue to trust in The Church, its pope and priests. The present pope is the voice of God on earth and is infallible. (according to Church doctrine)

      Aside from works and keeping Church Law, protestants also disagree with Mary having no other children (keeping her virgin). The half-brothers and half-sisters were cousins to Christ according to catholic doctrine, though most lay catholics may not eve

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    • JimConstitution
      Posted on July 18, 2011 at 7:37pm

      continued…..Aside from works and keeping Church Law, protestants also disagree with Mary having no other children (keeping her virgin). The half-brothers and half-sisters were cousins to Christ according to catholic doctrine, though most lay catholics may not even be aware

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  • politicaljules
    Posted on July 18, 2011 at 5:31pm

    I would still vote for her if the primary was held today.

    It makes no difference if she left the church or not. It made no difference with obama and his church moment was much more controversial. If he still got votes to get elected after that, then so should she.

    Nuff said, now lets move on.

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  • The Toad
    Posted on July 18, 2011 at 5:21pm

    NO FRIEND OF MILITARY FAMILIES! Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn., unveiled a plan for cutting $400 billion in federal spending that includes freezing Veterans Affairs Department health care spending and cutting veterans’ disability benefits. Not sure where Bachmann stands on this today, as her plan was released in January, but the fact she would even consider cutting benefits to wounded and disabled veterans, while two wars is going on before exhausting every other way of cutting spending, is disgraceful. Remember, this woman wants to be the Commander-in-Chief of America’s Armed Forces! She backed off her plan after the veterans gave her you know what!! She’s always done stuff like this; when Bachmann was in the State Senate she voted against state bonuses to help families of Minnesota veterans; it’s amazing that there are people who still believe her when she goes on and on and on about supporting our troops. As the U.S. House of Representatives voted on final approval for the 2010 National Defense Authorization Act, Michele Bachmann voted against the measure which would help fund the U.S. armed forces and reserve units as well as provide funding for military families, retirees and disabled veterans. Bachmann is a fraud of the worst kind, using veterans to promote herself and then voting against them at every opportunity. Check out her past voting history over the years on going against veterans!

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    • LibertyGirl USA
      Posted on July 18, 2011 at 5:38pm

      I grew up in a military family and am currently married to a Naval Officer – so I was quite concerned with your post. I did just a bit of research and found that she has pulled back from making these cuts. I would note that while no one wants to see cuts made in their programs (which will be ours in a few short years), I don’t think it is absurd to consider ALL options to ensure the ability of the programs to exist long term.

      I agree with you that this would be the last place I would cut. I am not sure exactly what her thinking was, but I would not jump to the conclusion that she is a traitor to all veterans. Something has to be cut somewhere unless you are in favor of raising taxes (which would affect everyone including Veterans).

      I put the link below where it was reported that she changed her mind on making this a proposal.

      http://www.startribune.com/politics/blogs/115305764.html

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    • LibertyWon
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 3:25am

      I happen to have a disabled vet relative that knows Bachman and are also familiar with the waste in the administration. Just because a candidate wants to cut some funding doesn’t necessarily mean that they despise the overall function of that part of the government.

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  • Sound The Trumpet In Zion
    Posted on July 18, 2011 at 5:16pm

    With obama, it was perfectly clear that he was dumping Wright because it was doing bad things for his campaign. It was also perfectly clear that it was the ONLY reason that he was leaving that church. This is definitely NOT shown in Michelle’s case, so NO, there is no comparison to the two. If people want to say that it is the same thing between these two, then that would mean that every single person that quits one church and joins another one is doing it for the same reason that obama did it. Clearly that would be complete hog manure to think that.

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  • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
    Posted on July 18, 2011 at 5:14pm

    Bit of a stretch in the comparisons?

    Now THAT expression is one for the books of understatements when making comparisons; this is the comparing of a slow moving stream to that of a river (Jeremiah Wright) running full tilt in maximum flood stage while the entire mass is carrying oil that is burning out of control and headed down to the refineries that have not been shut off and are still plum full of raw oil and gas.
    http://artinphoenix.com/gallery/grimm (new art added)

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  • nomercy63
    Posted on July 18, 2011 at 5:10pm

    Are we getting to the point of a Church purity test before you can do anything in this country! It is nuts!

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  • cntrlfrk
    Posted on July 18, 2011 at 5:04pm

    Duh.

    To have that you would have to admit there was a “Reverend Wright Moment” and the media never did.

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  • blue_sky
    Posted on July 18, 2011 at 5:03pm

    It is a mistake to think that a “good”, “honest”, and “able” politician will create more jobs and make USA more competitive. It is nonsense fed to us both by neo-cons and progressives.
    Capital of real money working in free-market profitable framework, individual liberty and personal responsibility may get us our of the hole in 10-15 years of hard work and meritocracy. My vote goes to Ron Paul.

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