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Update: Oakland Officers Facing Major Investigation Over Critical Injury to Iraq War Vet

The police officers involved in the action that left an Iraq War veteran in critical condition during the Occupy Oakland crackdown on Wednesday now face a major, “level-one” investigation, Police Chief Howard Jordan told KGO-TV. What does that mean? Well, the investigation will be treated as if the officers had used lethal force.

“A Level 1 investigation involves not only Internal Affairs, but the district attorney and the office of the Inspector General,” reports Business Insider.

(Related: Read about Olsen’s incident and injuries)

“It’s at the top of our list and we are gathering footage and investigating whether or not it was justified,” Jordan said.

“It’s unfortunate it happened. I wish that it didn’t happen. Our goal, obviously, isn’t to cause injury to anyone,” he added, according to the Associated Press.

The investigation announcement comes as new video posted on YouTube shows the moment Olsen was injured. It also appears to show a police officer hurling a flash bang grenade at the protesters who rush to his aid (CONTENT WARNING  for language):

Business Insider also reports the actions of the police could have violated their own department’s Crowd Control & Crowd Management Policy, including a section that notes injured persons shall be given medical attention:

Below is section two from the Oakland Police Training Bulletin.

b. The use of Direct Fired SIM must cease when the violent or destructive actions cease. These weapons must not be used for the purpose of apprehension or to otherwise prevent escape unless escape would present a substantial risk of continued imminent threat to loss of life or serious bodily injury.

c. Members shall only deploy Direct Fired SIM during a demonstration or crowd event under the direction of a supervisor. Oakland Police Department, 28 Oct 05 17

d. When circumstances permit, the supervisor on the scene shall make an attempt to accomplish the policing goal without the use of Direct Fired SIM as described above, and, if practical, an audible warning shall be given to the subject before deployment of the weapon.

e. Any person struck by a round shall be transported to a hospital for observation and any necessary treatment. Ambulance service, if required, shall be ordered per General Order I-4. First aid, when necessary, shall be administered per Training Bulletin III-K.

f. No member shall use Direct Fired SIM without formal training.

g. Direct Fired SIM shall not be used against a person who is under restraint.

h. Members shall not discharge a Direct Fired SIM at a person’s head, neck, throat, face,
left armpit, spine, kidneys, or groin unless deadly force would be justified

“It’s really sad and it makes me angry that he was in Iraq without any injuries and then to come here and be shot by the same people that were supposed to be protecting him instead of shooting him,” Shannon said.

Business Insider has the rest of the manual.

“It’s really sad and it makes me angry that he was in Iraq without any injuries and then to come here and be shot by the same people that were supposed to be protecting him instead of shooting him,” Olsen’s roommate said.

In response to the injury, Oakland protesters took the streets again on Wednesday. Oakland Officials, however, didn’t resist the demonstrators, allowing protesters back into the plaza outside City Hall where their 15-day-old encampment had been raided the day before. Still, they said people would be prohibitedfrom spending the night.

About 1,000 people quickly filled the plaza, but later many of them filed out and began marching down nearby streets.

A reporter at the scene says police erected wooden barricades to block the march, but the protesters veered off as a group and continued down another street.

There were no signs of clashes between the two sides.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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  • TWO BITS
    Posted on October 27, 2011 at 8:52am

    The use of flash bang grenades is being disputed, at least by internet reports. However, injuries were inevitable as these protestors have ramped up their aggressive tactics.
    Hopefully, this young man will recover. Overall though, many law-abiding citizens will be reluctant to participate in protests that have the potential for violence by outside agitators. We all witnessed the Arizona shootings, and there is no shortgage of psychopaths in this society.

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  • cloudsofwar
    Posted on October 27, 2011 at 8:50am

    his head got in the way of an flying object. thats known to happen at riots. take part in a riot take your chances.

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    • motonutt
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 2:31pm

      This little marxist fruitcake got what he deserved, I wish more around him got the same thing.
      They want to play out in the street with the cops…..now they want to cry about it when they get hurt.
      Where is the outrage from the flea party over the cops who have undoubtably been injured….
      Hypocrits.

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    • kmichaels
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 3:12pm

      In truth, the protest, at most, represents 19% of America. A far cry from the 99% that they claim they represent. And chances are, they only represent a small portion of that 19%, since many of these liberals belong to the 1% crowd they are pretending to hate, aka Michael CowGut Moore. Then we have all the liberals that are in bed with wall street, including Obama. So seriously, 99% is a bit extreme. Maybe 9%.

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    • Jaycen
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 3:40pm

      “It’s really sad and it makes me angry that he was in Iraq without any injuries and then to come here and be shot by the same people that were supposed to be protecting him instead of shooting him,” Olsen’s roommate said.
      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

      No, what’s sad is that someone who should know better than to behave this way chose to do so anyway. The man fought for our freedoms, and then decided to fight against them.

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    • KidCharlemagne
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 4:49pm

      Jaycen
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 3:40pm
      The man fought for our freedoms, and then decided to fight against them.
      ============================================

      Huh???:

      “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
      http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#Am1

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    • patriot308
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 5:50pm

      An individual persons’ right; ends; when infringing on another persons’ right! Property rights and pursuit of happiness, anyone.

      For all the supporters of “occupy wall street”; Do you also support “Occupy mommies tummy”. After all during an abortion she is trying to take away a babies right to LIFE. We are talking about occupying a location. If wall streeters are expected to put up with a little inconvenience. Is it too much to ask a woman to put up with some inconvenience, to allow a baby to come to full term. This FAR, FAR, outweighs speech, protest, or assembly, as a basic right…….. remember we are talking about occupying a location! Not that I’m expecting any reason, from a lefty. To a lefty; integrity or character, are concepts, never to be achieved.

      And to blazers; Please spread “Occupy Mommie’s Tummy“ or ”Occupy Mommy”.

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    • Lucy Larue
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 7:05pm

      CLOUDSOFWAR,
      Sucks to be him…,NON? Yet…,it was HIS choice.
      GOD Bless the Oakland Police! God Bless Them!
      God Bless Law Enforcement all over this Nation that have been tasked to oversee the “OBAMAVILLES”!
      These officers are ALL in a no win situation .
      They have been placed there by spineless politicians led by “Himself The Elf” Mikey Bloomberg!
      It is so disgusting!
      Sadly IDIOT N.Y. voters gave Mikey a third term. He leads the pack in malfeasance! Other Mayors around the nation have embraced his incompetency and followed suit.
      But really…,it all comes back to the average ,regular, working Joe. Our lack of political interest and being clueless about the affairs of our nation brings us to where we are now.We did this to ourselves.

      “We have met the enemy and He is Us”. POGO

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    • patriot308
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 7:07pm

      lemon head: It’s exactly the same! Your just not honest enough to admit it…..

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    • MrMagoo
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 7:28pm

      Lemonhead,if you really must troll these fine forums,learn to spell.At least use the spell checker.You know,that funny red squiggly line under misspelled words?Right click on it,for the correct pronunciation.There is no such word as self-richeously.

      Self-righteously

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    • Rogers1756
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 9:47pm

      I love hearing these morons (Trumpka etc) expand upon the beauty of these animals “exercising their most fundamental rights” when nothing in the Constitution protects rioting. The Constitution allows the people to peacably petition the government for a redress of grievances, not act like an idiot in public, scream violent obscenities and death threats, obstruct businesses, violate public sanitation codes, and attack police officers in an attempt to dismantle the government or collapse the system. That “right” is not protected and if you participate in such activity, your head could get in the way of blunt and/or flying object. At which time you have no one to blame but yourself. How many injuries, arrests, or unsanitary conditions did Tea Party rallies yield? Exactly.

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    • Dysfunctional Unit
      Posted on October 28, 2011 at 8:56am

      For those of you who continue to discount the founding fathers use of violence to change the system please refer to a direct quote from (the original) Mr. Jefferson re: “the tree of liberty…” We may need to apply this quote in the near future to protect ourselves from the left.
      To all of you pro occupiers who continue to talk about your rights. You never learned that responsibilities to be good Americans comes before the earning of your rights. I’m sorry ’bout that, it was my generation that has been teaching you incorrectly.
      Go home, get a job, work hard. That’s the way to get all those toys you want.

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    • Ruler4You
      Posted on October 28, 2011 at 4:13pm

      he‘s not a union member so they’ll be in the clear.

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  • TRILO
    Posted on October 27, 2011 at 8:49am

    I am sorry that he was injured. However, if you are participating in a “revolution” and it turns violent you have two choices… first is to get the heck out of there or you can choose to stay and risk injury or even death. There are consequences for every choice we make. Just because he is an Iraq war vet does not give him special immunity. Mob violence turns to chaos in an instant.

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    • neocon1
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 9:10am

      trilo

      You are 100% correct.
      I hate these turds who took an oath to protect the constitution from ENEMIES foreign and DOMESTIC.
      They have become the enemy and traitors.
      Wearing their FORMER uniforms adds to the insult, I say Fk him and the PEE Baggers he is trying to impress.

      PS
      Im a Former US Marine and Viet Nam vet.

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    • HKS
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 9:15am

      Ditto here, Don‘t do the crime if you can’t do the time. Like Toyota says, “you as for it, you got it”.

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    • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 9:17am

      These officers are being used as conveinent scapegoats, and I can see there will be a quick and decisivly prejudicial biased conclusion against the officers in the matter. They will be used by the administration as well as one more excuse to furthe crack down while ignoring the fact the protesters used force first.

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    • GETLIFE
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 9:29am

      Way way way LESS than 1% of the population of Oakland are unlawfully and violently (bottles and rocks) stomping on the rights of the ENTIRE population to live their lives and move about as they wish in their free city. The population GETS it, they are NOT “with” the unlawful protesters, and the police are doing their job. Look closely — the video incriminates no one– The narrator just tries to get the viewer to assume what he wants them to assume. He makes no clear accusation because there is none to make.

      What would you do if you saw a bunch of violent and unlawful protesters crowding in on an injured man to the point where you cannot see what is going on? I honestly can’t say.

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 9:31am

      If you needed proof that this was staged for propaganda, here you have it.

      Lots of kids hurt. Only one gets the news headlines and a ‘level 1’ investigation. He’s a prop, whether he knows it or not, and he’s going to be used as the lever to allow these people to destroy property and life across the nation without police intervening. Just watch.

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    • ginsberg
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 9:32am

      Not that I expect rationality from this site, but people have the right to protest. People have the right even to violently oppose corruption (something the tea party incidently has threatened to do repeatedly). You cant just oppose the right to protest because you happen to disagree with people’s imagined political differences. Our founders would have squarely backed this protest, they would be shocked that our government is run by corporations.

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    • BertM
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 9:33am

      Looks like he went down after the flashbang exploded. But it did not explode near him. I applaud law enforcement but now they will be the scapegoats. Now the left will use this veteran for their ends.

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 9:39am

      Hey, Ginsberg, there is no such thing as a right to harm other people.

      And if you presume such a right, you have no leg to stand on to criticize the response of those who were attacked first. Your position is self defeating.

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    • Locked
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 9:41am

      @Ginsberg
      “Not that I expect rationality from this site, but people have the right to protest.”
      Agreed.

      “People have the right even to violently oppose corruption (something the tea party incidently has threatened to do repeatedly).”
      Now this is getting interesting. Please show us this right. I highly doubt there’s a law that says “If you don’t like our laws, you can use violence to overthrow the system.”

      “You cant just oppose the right to protest because you happen to disagree with people’s imagined political differences.”
      Sure you can. It’s illogical, but people oppose things all the time without understanding why or what they’re opposing. Here’s an example: Occupy Wall Street.

      “Our founders would have squarely backed this protest, they would be shocked that our government is run by corporations.”
      Pure speculation, and likely not accurate. Our founders’ responses would have likely been:
      1. “Why are you marching and holding signs? Get your muskets if you want a revolution!”
      2. “You still have all your rights, and we set up a system for you to change what you don’t like without violence. It’s called VOTING. Maybe you’ve heard of it? You took it even further, giving Negros and Women the right to vote.”
      3. “Most of us were some of the richest men in America. We were the 1%, and we did a pretty good job with the country. The most recent generations messed it up: it’s up to you to fix it. Some advice? Stop fighting yourselves and work t

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    • drago
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 9:43am

      Hey ginsberg aka encinom, get lost you little puke!

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    • jb.kibs
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 9:46am

      “I hate these turds who took an oath to protect the constitution from ENEMIES foreign and DOMESTIC.”
      —-

      wow…

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    • patrioticdale
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 9:48am

      NEOCON1
      This so-called vet is supporting the same type of asshats that spit on, and disrespected all of us Viet Nam vets that came home from the war. The OWS jerks could care less about this person; until he was injured. Now he’ll be the poster boy for their cause. Oath Keepers are just that, and he swore to the same oath as the rest of us. Sickening.

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 9:48am

      Good post Locked, agree 98%. Difference being that there are rational posters on this site, discounting running across any reasonable responses seems on its face unreasonable.

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    • Miguelito
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 9:50am

      Absolutely right! If a law enforcement personnel had gotten hurt, would the news outlets report so much. I think not!

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    • Locked
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 10:05am

      @Ghost

      Yeah, I should have only quoted the part saying “People have the right to protest.”

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    • Hobbs57
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 10:12am

      I wonder if he wasn’t possibly on “inactive reserve” ? That would certainly create a problem for him. Maybe I Am wrong but aren’t many Marines placed on inactive reserve after completion of 4 years ? I was in the AF and told I was placed on inactive for 4 years after I served 4 years in active.

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    • encinom
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 10:15am

      What we saw was a police riot. Oakland PD is a department filled with thugs and criminals.

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    • babylonvi
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 10:18am

      Amen

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 10:18am

      A friend told me this morning that he went to the protests to see who was really there. There were tea partiers as well..The only thing is…is that thise people are all being used by the NWO people to effect a change from “ours” to “theirs” The wolf is at the door people. Look up Agenda 21 for dummies. I know that not everyone is hip up on RON Paul .. but at this point with all the elitists on both sides running and the agenda for taking away our property and thinning out the herd…we need a Constitutionalist , and we need a fresh start, I just read on another post that the famous judge was on Glenn Beck and he is even recommending Ron Paul….Let’s do it people…let’s start over…we can do this..we can take care of what we don’t llike later..but let’s give ourselves a running start. This is critical!

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    • stoptheliesbho
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 10:19am

      @Ginsberg – I don‘t think anyone ’rational’ is saying no one should ever protest. I say, protest all effing day if you want. But when the protesters are refusing to follow rules and laws for the saftey of others, themselves and the police officers that are there to protect THEM, then I say stop the protests. It’s gotten out of hand. NO ONE has the RIGHT to violence. Where the HELL did you read that in our Constitution? I digress…..wasn’t this supposed to be a non-violent protest, per Bill Ayers, the former terrorist? Alas, it’s turned pretty violent; therefore, it is no longer a ‘silly little leaderless protest against big government’; therefore, it must end. But it won’t. They will keep protesting, and it will keep getting worse. And our government isn’t run by big corporations. It’s run by the Puppet in Cheif, BHO, and the PuppetMaster, George Soros. ZING!!!

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    • Delta D-5-3
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 10:26am

      I’m sure most of us here wish him a speedy, FULL recovery, that being said I WILL NOT sit here and bash the OPD for there response to an unruly mob. Before you flame me let me just say that I too served in Iraq and will back my fellow veterans 99% of the time. This guy is the 1% that I WILL NOT. Anyone who puts themself in the middle of a riot puts themself in danger, and must therefore be responsible for his/her actions. PERIOD! This “veteran” obviously knew what he was doing, and NOW we’re all suppose to feel sorry for his injury and “bash” the police for doing there jobs?? Sorry, not going to happen. Again, I pray he makes a FULL recovery and I hope he rethinks his position as standing with Marxists, Socialists, and Antagonists is against everything he was fighting for in Iraq. I hope he wises up……………..

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    • maylortaylor
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 10:28am

      By your reasoning @Trilo, you would have told the Boston Massacre victims to just go home and not worry about the unjust Parliamentary legislation being passed. In your perfect world, these 5 men would not have stood up to the tyrannical British government and consequentially the American Revolution (our defining moment) would not have started.

      Social media, the internet, and news organizations have changed how these incidents in history are happening. If you, @Trilo, were alive in 1770, I can guarantee that you‘d be a supporter of the British army units ’occupying’ the states.

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    • your sensei
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 10:36am

      Ghost of Jeffersome . . . you treat logic like this guy treats literature

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9tK9HYspFM

      The Blaze Band . . . too good.

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    • 4truth2all
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 10:38am

      If your in the place
      and get hit in the face
      yo…..
      don’t go!

      If someone gets it
      in the face
      and your at that place
      and help if offered
      to the person down
      and you hinder
      your a clown!

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 10:45am

      BertM
      Well law enforcement should have been filming. If the false bang did not hit him, he fell on purpose & the someone in the crowd hit him, the police are just as screwed as if the they had hit him.

      You shoot canisters or tear gas or throw flash bangs, sooner or later someone is going to get hurt by accident. Is that the cops fault? I think not.

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    • Locked
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 10:45am

      @Maylor
      “By your reasoning @Trilo, you would have told the Boston Massacre victims to just go home and not worry about the unjust Parliamentary legislation being passed.”

      Difference being we have a system in place to actually enact change. We can vote. And if you don’t like the candidates? You can run; the Tea Party has shown that a mostly grassroots movement with some big names behind it can get people into Congress, and OWS is the incredibly similar in that regard.

      Somehow I feel democracy is preferable to anarchy; and certainly is preferable compared to our own veterans being hurt while rightly (though in a foolhardy way) pointing out that the system is broken for many Americans.

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    • maylortaylor
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 10:50am

      By your comments TRILO, you would be opposed to the actions taken by the 5 murdered at the Boston Massacre. These protestors were standing up against an injustice they were opposed to and they threw small things like rocks at the British soldiers. The soldiers then proceeded to shoot the unarmed citizens in broad daylight.

      This small action incited the rest of the country to pull together and oppose the tyrannical British occupation of the U.S. Are you telling me that now-a-days in a world ran by social media, YouTube, news organizations that this same sort of thing can’t happen?

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    • redbone007
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 10:50am

      How do we not know if the protesters that carried this man did not hurt him? They were the last to touch him.

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 10:50am

      ginsberg

      I am shocked that labor unions have closed shops & use money from FORCED collections to ensure the elections of politicians thru donations that subsequently sit across from them at the negotiating table. They negotiate for pay & benefits that after 1 generation bankrupt many states & municipalities.

      BTW Ginsberg is a bad handle to have for internet chat. Alan Ginsberg stood up for NAMBLA. You might want to consider that.

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 10:52am

      @Sensei

      Your posts here contribute nothing and you exist simply to ad hominem. Far from a real sensei, you teach nothing and enlighten nobody.

      Have you nothing better to do with your day, sir?

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 11:13am

      The protesters went back to the site after they were evicted looking for a confrontation….looking for a fight. They got one. I have no pity for this guy.

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    • SEOhio
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 11:20am

      I agree. And @ NeoCon1, servicemen no longer take that oath. I was astonished when my sons went in. They (Govt) remove the “both foriegn and demestic” completely!!! Can you think why?! These idiots ‘occupying’ are useful though, are’t they. Beans & Bullets … are you ready to defend yourself when they come a knocking?

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    • ginsberg
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 11:28am

      @lock, I dont think you understand what I am saying. America was started by a group of people who illegally revolted against an established government. Rights are not laws, read the constitution. If our own government fails to respect the human rights of its people, and fails to follow the constituion, it can certainly be violently opposed when all other options fail.

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    • ginsberg
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 11:35am

      @walkabout, ginsberg is my family name, and im not gonna hide it because a poet said something I disagree with.

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    • Locked
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 12:12pm

      @Ginsberg
      “I dont think you understand what I am saying.”
      No, I do. You feel like Americans should use force to overthrow the government because society has failed to work for many of them. Judging by your most recent response, they have used all other options, so only armed revolution remains (your quote: “ it can certainly be violently opposed when all other options fail”).

      “America was started by a group of people who illegally revolted against an established government.”
      Indeed. And they did not have a legal, nonviolent option against a hereditary monarchy. As colonists, they were deprived of the rights given to others in their country, and had no legal means to rectify the situation.

      “Rights are not laws, read the constitution.”
      You might want to read the Constitution, as the “rights” you’re talking about are likely from the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution. Seeing past that, rights are defined through laws, which in turn are declared constitutional or not through the legal system. It works rather well, unless you’re the impatient or violent type.

      “If our own government fails to respect the human rights of its people, and fails to follow the constituion, it can certainly be violently opposed when all other options fail.”
      Has the government failed to follow the Constitution? If so, then bring a lawsuit. Don’t like Congress? Vote them out. No one to vote for? Run yourself. Try -all other options- first.

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    • Jubarnes87
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 12:15pm

      …..they fail to mention the protestors in that mans vicinity were hearing objects back at the police. Oh, but I guess that is different.

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    • RichNGadsden
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 12:17pm

      Ghost, You are right about that.

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    • IamSerious
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 1:05pm

      Since so many of the 99% have different reasons for being there. You can’t blanket all of them as deserving of illegal actions by the police!!!!!
      Neocon1 you are a Tool being used by the Hate you poses. Any other rights you want to take away from Americans??? Drop and give me 100!
      Trilo, It is sad that you accept that Death or Injury resulting from illegal actions from a Policeman as just! Thats like stating it’s the fault of the person who was killed at 2:00 a.m. by a Drunken Driver because thats when all the Bars Close!!! ” He knew that was the most dangerous time to drive!” Please Please Please DO NOT GIVE ANY EULOGY’S!!!

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    • Thisnameistowarnyouthatyouwillhatemycomment
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 1:18pm

      I am so sick of the accusations of violence. I’m not a member of the occupy movement, I have very mixed feelings about it. But if these are “riots” as so many of you claim then why are only PROTESTERS getting injured? I don’t agree with all the methods/tactics/style of these protests, but seriously, to imply that people are getting deliberately violent and rioting is just a complete fabrication. The police moved in on this group while they were CAMPING they weren’t even mobile initially. They wanted to protesters to disperse and the police escalated the situation, not the protesters.

      Considering the number of times I’ve heard tea partiers talk about not being passive if “the government comes for them” I’m disappointed at the lack of sympathy. Apparently when the government is using violence to surpress people with different ideologies than you, that’s perfectly ok. I guess none of you have actually learned the meaning of that poem Glenn Beck loves to paraphrase so much.

      I have no idea if this man was deliberately hit with the tear gas canister, but I find it ridiculous that when news reports confirm the man is . It wouldn’t be hard for me to believe one way or another. It could have been an accident, a rogue officer, or a coordinated act (though this I would find least likely). What is difficult to dispute is the viciousness of assaulting a group of people trying to help a man in need of medical attention.

      It’s fine if you hate the protests, but it’s sic

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    • Rinzler
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 3:05pm

      You two are morons… They are out there fighting for what needs to be done while you sit behind your computer criticizing. Way to go losers…. I didn’t see the people rioting, I saw cops throwing flashbangs at people trying to help someone. It‘s sad that you can’t see it and I hope that I don’t end up in a world full of people like you after all the smoke clears. Because if I had to, you would be the first ones I would snuff out to keep my family safe.

       
    • kmichaels
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 3:07pm

      [ginsberg
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 9:32am
      Not that I expect rationality from this site, but people have the right to protest.]

      Actually, people have a right to non-violent non-destructive, within the bounds of local law, forms of protest. It is questionable as to how many laws some of the protestors actually broke.

      And it seems that you idiot liberals sure made a big deal against tea party protestors. What is good for the goose is also good for the gander, eh twinkletoes?

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    • kmichaels
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 3:09pm

      [ginsberg
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 11:28am
      @lock, I dont think you understand what I am saying. America was started by a group of people who illegally revolted against an established government.]

      You seem to be leaving out a critical detail. The british government was behaving illegally.

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    • kmichaels
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 3:14pm

      [encinom
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 10:15am
      What we saw was a police riot. Oakland PD is a department filled with thugs and criminals.]

      What we saw was a protestor riot. Occupy Oakland is a group filled with thugs and criminals.

      There, I had to fix ecinoms mental retardation once again.

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    • KidCharlemagne
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 4:50pm

      TRILO
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 8:49am

      I am sorry that he was injured. However, if you are participating in a “revolution” and it turns violent you have two choices
      ================================================

      Who initially turned it violent though?

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    • AlmostaCowboy
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 5:49pm

      Ginsberg – you are a liar. When has the TEA party ever threatened violence? Answer: Never.

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    • Americaisalwaysrightevenwhenitswrong
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 6:32pm

      @ Trilo – “You still have all your rights, and we set up a system for you to change what you don’t like without violence. It’s called VOTING. Maybe you’ve heard of it? You took it even further, giving Negros and Women the right to vote.” – do you remember HOW “negros and women” got the right to vote?? because citizens of the US stood up, took to the streets, and non-violently protested against what they saw as unfair legal practices on behalf of the gov’t (often times through displays of civil disobedience). if that is your argument against OWS, then you might want to rephrase your message since OWS is essentially doing the same exact thing.
      And I must say I am a little taken aback by all of the extremely hateful language in the comments on here. This man is a veteran, and, as many of you often point out, fought for our freedoms. Even though you may disagree with the movement, OWS has every right to voice their grievances (something protected by the Bill of Rights). Just because you may disagree with their political stance, viewpoints, methods of promoting change (via protesting/civil disobedience), or whatever it may be, they still have the right to do what they are doing.

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  • 00gabooga
    Posted on October 27, 2011 at 8:48am

    I truly appreciate what police have to go through, but for the life of me I don’t know why anyone would want to be a cop in California. You’ve got to deal with animals, and you have no backing from your own brass or city officials. Cops in California are on their own.

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    • babylonvi
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 10:27am

      Or any of the Socialist enclaves among the 50 states. The People’s Republics of CA, MA, NY and IL come to mind, not including the various socialist city-states. The best way to handle these mobs is to make a perimeter and let no one in or out(press included). Sooner or later they will get hungry at which time they can surrender for arrest. Let them occupy, let them burn pillage and plunder then wait for them to surrender. p.s. No visitations by celebs permitted. If they are in the perimeter, they stay ’till it’s over.

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    • Melvin Spittle
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 1:06pm

      Accidents happen as was most likely the issue in this case. Bad judgement also happens. That is why we have rules of engagement for armed forces and law enforcement. I support the OPD in this case but there are others such as the recent Fullerton PD beating to death of an unarmed homeless man. We need to evaluate each case individually to ensure order and justice.

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    • rich66
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 4:13pm

      Cops become cops because they get a gun and a badge, a car with red lights that can park anywhere and power and a lucrative retirement after 20 years.
      It doesn‘t mean we don’t need them just that they have a predisposal to engage in conflict, knowing they can always call their cop buddies for back up.
      Like most other professions, there are good ones and bad ones.

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  • GETLIFE
    Posted on October 27, 2011 at 8:45am

    “I BELIEVE” would also be a good title for the video. I have watched the film 6 times and have yet to see the indicated officer throw anything. What am I missing? Guess I don’t have enough faith to see it….

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  • TxSon
    Posted on October 27, 2011 at 8:44am

    You go to a riot. You get injured. You blame the cops. Typical liberal B.S.

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  • donh2
    Posted on October 27, 2011 at 8:44am

    # 1 the man collapses on cue to a tear gas explosion 30 feet away. He could have fallen as in a basketball “ take a charge ” play and simply hit his head on the pavement. These people are trying to draw a foul there is no doubt about that. As far as intentionally firing on a wounded man, where they firing on a wounded man or a large group of people rushing toward the police gate. Why 20 people “rushing to the aid” of a fallen protestor? The man standing over the fallen with camera does nothing to help him up. Just wants to film his Kent state victim. Then 20 people ruish in drawing a cannister round.

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    • logicprobe
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 11:29am

      hey was probably drunk and tripped over on the shoe laces he was too high to tie

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  • i_believe
    Posted on October 27, 2011 at 8:41am

    A thrown beer can could easily be the source of this injury. The media is hyping this without any proof of what really happened.

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    • GETLIFE
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 8:47am

      I meant to reply to you… but it’s posted above.

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  • momrules
    Posted on October 27, 2011 at 8:35am

    Didn’t we all know the police would be the fall guys? Morning Joe is already calling this a police riot.

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    • smithclar3nc3
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 8:43am

      How do they know it was a police rubber bullet or bean bag and not something hurled by a protester. There were no police near the man when he was hit bean bags and rubber bullets velocity decreases greatly at any distance.

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    • Wayne
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 8:49am

      Joe is nothing but trash, how can you watch him? I had reather watch Obummer. or a horses rear.

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    • neocon1
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 9:17am

      LOL

      How can the police “riot” from behind metal gates??
      ROTFLMAO

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    • momrules
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 9:45am

      @ WAYNE……….I agree with you but I watch these cretins to see how the left will spin the stories.It is hard to do though.

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  • SpankDaMonkey
    Posted on October 27, 2011 at 8:31am

    .
    Not gonna get one tear. He was warned along with the rest, and got just what he was looking for “A FIGHT”. So let me see now, Shorts, T-Shirt & a do-rag Vs. Full Riot Gear. We have got to do something about public edumacation when this get’s cleaned up…………..

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  • suzy000
    Posted on October 27, 2011 at 8:31am

    This Chief of Police got calls from the Mayor‘s and Governor’s office for sure….it is strictly political.

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    • piper60
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 8:43am

      I am sorry the injury occurred,however, they have to know that in protesting in the manner that they do——–stuff happens. The politicians are running with their tails between their legs.

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  • CryptoCop
    Posted on October 27, 2011 at 8:30am

    News flash, a flash bang distraction device is NOT, NOT, NOT a “direct fired SIM” (specialty impact munition). A “direct fired SIM” is a beanbag round or a pepperball. If these officers are punished in any way at all I would recommend all the Oakland PD cops stand down and allow chaos to reign unhindered. You can’t put these guys on the front line with the worst society has to offer, INCLUDING an Iraqi War veteran who is causing chaos in the streets, and then try to hammer them when the they use force to regain control of the street. Those shields and batons are not just for show.

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    • 1389AD
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 8:38am

      War veteran or no, he had NO business being there. Nor did any of the other protesters/rioters. They had been warned to disperse.

      Camping on public property without a permit; creating unsafe and unsanitary conditions involving noise, stench, garbage, rats, urine, feces, and rotting food; blocking traffic; intimidating passers-by; harboring drug dealers and other lawbreakers; and interfering with legitimate activities of others – that has nothing to do with Constitutionally-protected free speech. It’s all about acting like a selfish pig in public and thinking you can get away with it.

      See: Does the #Occupy Movement Speak For You?

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    • jackal
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 8:41am

      They have already regained the park it looks like,so the stepdown has begun.Like Blackcrow mentioned I have to agree.

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 9:44am

      The plan is to neuter the police. The prop was put in place, there is no real evidence he was hit by the police but the prop is being upheld with great fists to the sky and great wailing regardless, and a baseless “level 1” investigation is issued. Expect cops to stand down shortly, except perhaps to arrest regular shop keepers defending their property.

      Just a hunch.

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  • rambosharley
    Posted on October 27, 2011 at 8:26am

    They finally got their “Kent State” moment!

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    • Gonzo
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 8:35am

      That’s exactly what they want Dogpatch. The more that get hurt the happier they will be. They want kids dying at the hands of the government. They need martyrs and these kids are nothing but cannon fodder.

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    • cloudsofwar
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 8:44am

      no a kent state moment would be Dead in the street. this is just a warm up.

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    • PAWatcher
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 8:48am

      More to this story, hope the investigation is legit. No one mentions the “police projectile” being recovered. Other vets were with the injured vet, they would know to keep an eye on it for an investigation, huh? Forensics are great, the truth will come out. Until then OWS can use the event to intimidate the police.

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    • shirtsbyeric
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 9:33am

      I think the fuse has been lit.

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  • Gonzo
    Posted on October 27, 2011 at 8:24am

    Sadly, the protestors have been salivating for this.

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 9:52am

      Well, the elite inciting the protestors to be certain. The rank and file are poor misled, ignorant fools who are being led to the slaughter to advance the socialist cause with their blood and eventual death.

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    • HorseCrazy
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 10:36am

      yes they have. if you dont want to get hurt dont hang out with the freaks in the street and listen to the police when they tell you to get out. so tired of the police constantly being the fall guy.

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  • Beckett
    Posted on October 27, 2011 at 8:22am

    I have seen two interviews where the protesters admitted they were throwing rocks and bottles at the offices. Photos clearly indicate they were shooting paint balls.

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    • dmforman
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 8:28am

      The police will be blamed and what the protesters were doing will be ignored and forgotten. They will be made to look like innocent victims. That’s the way the media works.

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  • demint.disciple
    Posted on October 27, 2011 at 8:20am

    If he was home, watch this on the tube like normal people, instead of camping out with all the bums, guess what ? This would never have happened to him..

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    • nelbert
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 8:25am

      Exactly. Or if he were at a peaceful gathering, like maybe at a Tea Party event.

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  • hempstead1944
    Posted on October 27, 2011 at 8:20am

    Yep ! It is more dangerous in California than Iraq.

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  • BigAlSouth
    Posted on October 27, 2011 at 8:19am

    Technically, the policeman did not use a “Flash Grenade” or “Flashbang” but an ordinary teargas canister which does have a small charge.

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    • RichNGadsden
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 11:57am

      Being retired Army, and a former cop myself I have handled each of those munitions and pyrotechnics. An ordinary smoke canister is not exactly light weight and have the capacity to cause a serious head injury if tossed overhead. I don’t know if this what happened and in no way do I stand up for the rioters. But, having gone through constant stomp and drag training, also known as riot training back in the ’70s we were taught even then to toss canisters underhanded in a manner that eventually has them rolling into the crowd at their feet. I’m sure these cops were taught the same. On another note, a smoke canister is pretty much useless for riot control, more likely CS. In my opinion, if an officer tossed a CS canister overhead into a part of the crowd, he is wrong. “IF” that is what happened. Even though this may sound like a conspiracy theory, I am not convinced that one of his fellow trouble makers did not injure this guy.

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 1:10pm

      @Rich

      Good information to know, thank you for sharing that!

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    • catinflorida
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 1:31pm

      @Rich,
      Thank you for the information and most of all, thank you for your service! My question to you is IF the protesters themselves caused this Vet”s injury, how do you explain the bombs being thrown when the protesters were coming to his aid (there were clearly 2 thrown directly at them and overhead). Do the police not have a duty to assist an injured protester (I’ll answer that one for you, YES they do), I saw only fellow protesters trying to assist him.

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  • capitalismrocks
    Posted on October 27, 2011 at 8:16am

    There will have to be proof that in fact the officers actions directly resulted in anything happening to this man.

    With all the smoke and chaos all I see are protestors lobbing smoke/tear gas grenades at the police, then suddenly someone screams out about someone needing help and medic…

    Until we see definitive proof this man was directly hit by an object from police, I question whether he was hit by another occupier and if so was its a fault on their part or did he volunteer to be a victim and this was all a setup and he was purposefully hit by another occupier to have himself appear as a victim.

    Given the street theatre we’ve seen over the last 5 weeks, it would not surprise me if he took a fall for their fake cause on purpose from another occupier.

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    • 1389AD
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 8:43am

      I suspect this was a setup from the get-go.

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  • donh2
    Posted on October 27, 2011 at 8:16am

    Everybody needs to study this film clip very closely…The Odessa step Scene from Battleship Potemkin…>>> http://youtu.be/Ps-v-kZzfec ….This scene is sacred communist propaganda and is critical to understanding the street theatre acting out in our cities. The Stalinist actors under direction of Richard Trumka are trying to film an Odessa Step scene , a Kent State moment, to turn public opinion in favor of the insurrection. Note in the film clip the emotions of legless cripples and baby in stroller pushed down the stairs. These OWS mobs will put wheel chairs and babies on the front line. They will provoke the police to march in a line and then toss a baby to the pavement just to film a baby being trampled under boots. These people have been trained by Hamas. Children will be sacrified.

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    • Gonzo
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 8:38am

      You speak the truth.

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    • IAManAmericanCitizen
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 10:40am

      you are one twisted, delusional person. you have no idea what you are talking about. the posts and hypocrisy on this site, those that beat the “ I am a Patriot” drum and then speak such blasphemy about fellow Americans protesting what is OBVIOUS to everyone – that our govt. is corrupt to the core, bought and paid for by the Elite- AND to speak so hatefully about an Iraq War Veteran that came home to a govt. that has betrayed NOT ONLY the soldiers but the PEOPLE …. AND you people blame the OPPRESSED AND SUPPORT THE OPPRESSORS. DO YOU GET THIS? DO YOU REALIZE WHAT YOU ARE DOING? OR IS YOUR BRAIN COMPLETELY WASHED OF ANY ABILITY TO SEE REALITY???????????

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  • BlackCrow
    Posted on October 27, 2011 at 8:12am

    He got in the way, tough! He should have complied with the lawful order to disperse when it was issued the first time.

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    • nelbert
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 8:46am

      Exactly.

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    • TomFerrari
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 8:46am

      Actually, the entire thing is staged propaganda, so there can be no “shoulda” or “coulda.”
      In the real world, though, should a people be peaceably assembled, just standing around waving, they would have nothing to fear. Should they be told to disperse, a parent would get their child out of harm’s way before it escalated.
      Simultaneously, a police force would never disperse people who were standing around waving. (Unless, of course their President had signed “the patriot act” and they were standing near an airport loading zone, a subway station, a train station, etc., in which case they would be handcuffed for “standing” or “loitering”)(The exception to that exception, is the thousands of indigent that hang around in subways and train stations at all times. It is only law-abiding citizens that are told they cannot stand or loiter.) lol

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  • GodHatesFigs
    Posted on October 27, 2011 at 8:10am

    I think it is the right thing to have this investigation. However, I think the bigger issue is the officer that threw the explosive in the crowd that came to the man’s aid. Disturbing.

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    • ((GB)) FAN
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 8:14am

      the police used tear gas and he was hit with a flash grenade. and it is known that the rioters have both.

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    • 1389AD
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 8:41am

      Hmmm…interesting…I suspect that there is a good chance that it was “friendly fire” so to speak…

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    • GodHatesFigs
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 8:41am

      Are there reports of protesters using these weapons? Where did you hear this?

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    • esv
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 10:00am

      i have to agree with you. his fall looked staged. but from the youtube video posted, it looks like something is thrown from the police that lands about where that flash happens when people are going to help him. that was too far. i can understand knowing it’s not a violent weapon, and being a bit ticked at the people… but that seems uncalled for. i’m still on the side of the cops. i hope none of them are used as “an example” for the rest.

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  • mike_trivisonno
    Posted on October 27, 2011 at 8:09am

    See the deceptions being paraded before your eyes?

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  • ((GB)) FAN
    Posted on October 27, 2011 at 8:07am

    do you think there hands are tied?

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    • Darla_K
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 9:25am

      If they want to play with the big boys they better expect this when they cross the line. There is a big difference between a friendly protest and a protest where people aren’t so friendly. We can expect more of this, but what I am wondering, is when does Obama declare marshall law?

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 9:58am

      Darla, it’s martial law. Martial indicates that the armed forces, the martial part of the government, take over the functions of the civilian government.

      There are no provisions in the Constitution for any sort of martial law. If they ‘declare’ it they have no force of law behind them and will finally be up front lawless criminals. We will be under no obligation to treat them as anything except violent criminals.

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    • maylortaylor
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 10:21am

      @GB Fan

      Do you really hear reports of the protestors using weapons that could harm these riot gear cops? All i heard the Oakland protestors using were some buckets of paint (to obviously block their visibility) and some rocks. Big whoop.

      So the 2nd amendment (which i’m sure 99% of you support) allows us to bear arms in the case of let’s say a terrorist attack, a civil dispute in our home, or a tyrannical government imposing stormtrooper henchmen. But we can not throw paint bought at Ace Hardware?!

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 10:53am

      maylortaylor

      Rocks big whoop.

      Can we test that theory that rocks are no big deal? You would never consent to such a test. I suspect that you are more talk than pugilist.

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 11:02am

      @Maylor

      Logic fail.

      The 2nd Amendment states you can keep and bear arms, quite so. It does not allow any of us, not one of us, to initiate violence with those arms. If you wish to initiate violence, you do so at your own peril, and there’s no way you can try and force wedge this into the Bill of Rights.

      I’m noticing a top directed propaganda focus push from the left these last 2 weeks. You’re being told to co-opt the symbols and ideas of the Right, twist them and then try to convince the right that you’re just following their ideals. It is an Alinsky tactic as those who have read him know, and it’s come all at once from your Masters (Jesus, Christianity, Iraq vetrans, the full monty). You people are so transparent, it’s quite funny that your masters still think this works in the information age. But hey, don’t let me stop you, keep on doing it, it just discredits you more. :)

      Slainte!

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    • RichNGadsden
      Posted on October 27, 2011 at 12:12pm

      GHOSTOFJEFFERSON, Touche`. MAYLORTAYLOR, They are not just throwing paint, which does have it’s hazards too. They are throwing paint cans…essentially a dangerous weapon. You sir, in the words of Red Foreman are a dumbass. Furthermore, there have been reports in the news that some of the rioters are tossing CS canisters, and flash bang grenades. No, I am certain the OWS crowd is not running down to their local Ace Hardware and purchasing these items. I believe they are being supplied by their users just as many of their tents, sleeping bags, and other essentials.

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  • SpankDaMonkey
    Posted on October 27, 2011 at 8:03am

    .
    He was warned, along with the rest of them. Besides he should have had a helmet on…….

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  • IAManAmericanCitizen
    Posted on October 27, 2011 at 10:44am

    You are so right. The posts on this site reveal those that are unwittingly serving Satan….. and that would be YOU and the rest of the HATERS OF FREEDOM on this site. Remember now, everyone repeat: LOVE IS HATE, WAR IS PEACE, OPPRESSION IS FREEDOM. You guys got it down pat. Good job.

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  • GhostOfJefferson
    Posted on October 27, 2011 at 11:37am

    @I am

    Those who initiate violence are not bastions of goodness. Sorry.

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  • momrules
    Posted on October 27, 2011 at 11:42am

    @ FLORIDACRACKER……………..you are so right and we are getting ready to have the spiritual fight of our lives.

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