Update: Outrage Grows After Police Allegedly Beat Mentally-Ill Homeless Man to Death (Graphic Image)
- Posted on August 22, 2011 at 9:30pm by
Billy Hallowell
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FULLERTON, Calif. (The Blaze/AP) — Until last month, the most pressing issues in this quiet Southern California suburb were whether to build homes on rolling hills north of the city, how best to preserve a historic movie theater and a downtown bar scene that got a little too popular for its own good. But, all that changed back in July when Kelly Thomas, a mentally-ill homeless man died following a brutal brawl with local police.
Now, the historic city that’s home to five colleges and a vibrant nightlife is the target of international outrage. Last month, The Blaze first covered this story, complete with video of the incident in which 37-year-old Kelly Thomas, who suffered from schizophrenia, can be heard crying out for his father over the zapping sound of a stun gun. Watch the video, below:
The incident last month has ensnared Fullerton in an ever-widening array of state and federal investigations, resignations and rowdy protests – and things promise to get worse for the city before they get better. The acting police chief last week ordered an internal investigation into an unrelated, but volatile confrontation last year after reviewing cell phone footage that appears to contradict sworn testimony given by police officers in court.
Public outcry over the new video prompted the department to acknowledge that officers may have arrested the wrong man. That man, Veth Mam, on Friday filed a federal complaint alleging officers used excessive force and falsified their police reports after arresting him. Mam, 35, was acquitted by a jury earlier this month on charges of assault, battery and resisting arrest, in part because of cell phone video depicting his own arrest.
A before and after shot of the Kelly Thomas beating
The two incidents have put Fullerton, an unassuming Orange County city best known as the home of a prominent California State University campus, on the map from Germany to Korea – and unhappy residents and business owners are hunkering down. The city, founded in 1887 in the midst of citrus groves, prides itself on its roster of refurbished turn-of-the-century brick buildings, a bustling summer farmer’s market and a hopping nightlife in the redeveloped downtown with a jazz scene that has been known to attract the likes of actor Joe Pesci.
Most families who move to the city put down permanent roots and enjoy the small-town feel in a county better known for its sprawling suburban developments and web of freeways.
“It’s a very friendly place, it’s kind of low-key and because this has happened now that’s all that anybody knows about us,” said Michael Ritto, president of the Fullerton Downtown Business Association. “People are all upset, people are marching. I go to work and every day, all day, there’s TV cameras and crews everywhere.”
The city’s biggest quality-of-life issue, an overly active bar scene, has been somewhat tamed in the past several years but is still an issue for police. Mam’s arrest last year happened as bars were letting out around 2 a.m.
“They’re telling people, `Don’t go to Fullerton.’ Nobody here did anything wrong. Why should the retailers suffer?” said Ritto, speaking of the protesters who have packed public forums and marched outside the police station every Saturday for a month.
For Fullerton, things began spiraling out of control on July 5, when Thomas got into a violent fight with police officers who were responding to reports that someone had been burglarizing cars at a downtown transit station. Thomas, who suffered severe head and neck injuries, was taken off life support on July 10.
The incident was captured from a distance by a bystander with a cell phone camera and surveillance video from a bus captured upset witnesses telling the bus driver that officers had beaten and repeatedly used a stun gun on Thomas as he cried out for help.
The district attorney‘s office is investigating the death and the FBI has launched a criminal probe to determine whether Thomas’ civil rights were violated. The City Council also last week voted to hire an independent consultant to untangle the events leading to Thomas’ death. Below, see angry citizens — and Thomas’ father — decry the officers’ actions at a Fullerton city council meeting:
The district attorney has additional video of the incident from city surveillance cameras but authorities have not released it – or the officers’ names – citing the ongoing investigation.
The incident has gained such notoriety that even the infamous hacker group “Anonymous” has threatened to take action. Earlier this month, Gawker wrote:
In launching “Operation Fullerton,” Anonymous sent a letter to the Fullerton Police Department—also posted at Pastebin—criticizing the local city government for having a “broken moral compass,” and making the following demands:
1) We demand the prosecution of Officers Jay Cicinelli, Kenton Hampton, Manny Ramos, Joe Wolfe, James Blatney, and anyone else involved in the gruesome beating, torture, and murder of Kelly Thomas.
2) We demand the immediate resignation of the Chief of Police in Fullerton, California.
3) We demand that the City of Fullerton immediately pay a lump sum settlement of no less than 5 million dollars to the legal survivors of Kelly Thomas.
Police Chief Michael Sellers went on medical leave last week after repeated calls for his resignation and a recall effort is underway against a councilman, the mayor pro tem and Mayor Richard Jones, a retired surgeon who angered many when he said he had seen injuries worse than those suffered by Thomas during the Vietnam War.
On Friday, attorney Garo Mardirossian, who is representing Thomas’ family, announced he had also filed a federal civil rights lawsuit on Mam’s behalf. He alleges that one of the officers involved in Mam’s case was also involved in the fight with Thomas.
Sgt. Andrew Goodrich, a police spokesman, declined to comment on specific allegations in the lawsuit or to confirm the officer was involved in either case.
Mam, 35, was accused of jumping on an officer’s back and choking him outside of a bar he and his friends had just left. His criminal attorney, David Borsari, said Mam was actually recording the arrest of his friend on his cell phone when the officer in question knocked the device out of his hand, and wrestled him to the ground where he was arrested.
Another bystander picked up Mam‘s phone and captured Mam’s arrest – footage that proves he never attacked an officer, said Borsari.
The cell phone video was used as evidence by both the prosecution and defense during trial and Mam was acquitted on all counts.
“Once they know that they’ve been caught, they fall back on, `It’s a mistake,’” Borsari said. “I believe it was a calculated attempt to file a false report to mislead a jury.”
Goodrich, the police spokesman, said allegations that the officers in the Mam case perjured themselves were false because they believed when they testified that they had arrested the right person.
“I’ve said it many times, this is a good department that focuses on community service,” Goodrich said. “There’s a lot of attention focused on us because of the Kelly Thomas incident and we understand that and we respect that.”
Prosecutor Rebecca Reed, who handled Mam’s case, said her office received the tape more than a month before trial but no one reviewed it until she watched it on the first day of the misdemeanor trial in June. She relied on officers’ accounts in building her case, she said.
“I thought it was reasonable that Veth Mam had been involved in this altercation before filming,” she said. “The video did not show the whole story.”
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Comments (146)
Captain Crunch
Posted on August 22, 2011 at 11:14pmPreditor Cops….The good cops better do something to stop it before the citizens of this country take matters into their own hands. This type of behaviour will not stand. But some of you sick cops think you are above the law. You think you are protected just because you wear a badge. You think we will remain docile sheep while you slaughter us on the streets of our home for no reason at all. You are our servants entrusted with authority which we have given you. As surely as we gave it to you we can take it back and put your sick criminal mentality in the prisons with the other animals who are just waiting for the chance at revenge. You preditor cops are nothing more than extra-ordinary violent criminals, and we don’t want your type living among us. We are not going to tolerate this. The day is coming when you will question why the tables were turned on you. You are blind, your egos are swollen with arrogance, and hearts that lust for power at the end or your gun barrels. Violent men who betray the oath you took to serve and protect. With protection like you roaming our strreets who needs gangsters or gangbangers? You are worse than the street gangs. We know who the gangbangers are. We know how to avoid or deal with them if confronted. But you preditor cops are a devious gang wearing the garb of protectors and good guys while your bellies are full of the blood of your innocent victims like the wolfs you are. Your gold badges need to have stamped on them “Preditor Cop”
Report Post »the hawk
Posted on August 22, 2011 at 11:36pmTHAT’S WHAT i MENT TO SAY!
Report Post »408 CheyTac
Posted on August 23, 2011 at 1:11amIF there actually were such a thing as your mythical “good cop” your statement may be true. But there is not such a creature. You would be better off searching for nessie, or a heard of unicorns.
Why do we never see any cops blowing the whistle on this stuff? Hmmmmm… if there were any “good” cops then maybe they would.
Why does every investigation seem to dead-end, or result in little/no action?
Why do cops refer to the general public as “civilians”? They are civilians too-or do they see themselves as a different class?
Most of all, why are all these “good” cops so militantly resistant to having their actions recorded on video?
Report Post »Captain Crunch
Posted on August 23, 2011 at 3:03am@408 CheyTac
I disagree with you. There are “good cops”. They are the ones who remind themselves that they are supposed to maintain professionalism, clarity of mind, and self control even in the most stressful of situations.
Report Post »Infact, I believe most of the people in law enforcement fall in this category. The problem lies in the sub-culture they develope as their relationships and interdependence on one another growes. They have loyalties, some healthy, some unhealthy. When police develope unhealty, destructive, self defeating loyalties with eachother, that is when they turn into criminals supporting each others unlawful self serving actions. Criminals do the very samething which reinforce their criminal thoughts and actions. The line between that which is lawful compared to unlawful is a very thin one, often barely visible to the person themself. The misguided loyalities is the reason cops don’t turn in cops. Police and criminals often think in remarkably simular ways. They just don’t want to admit it. Those police who recognise this fact are usually able to recognise where that line is that should not be crossed. The same is true of people who have had criminal pasts who have changed their ways. They recognise the line, and value the benefits associated with staying on the lawabiding side of that line. Cops who cross it are usually mentally unstable and unfit for duty in law enforcement. Those are the ones who can turn onto what I call “Preditor Cops”. They are crimi
Captain Crunch
Posted on August 23, 2011 at 3:19amContinued….They are indeed criminals. And those who violate our civil rights through abuse of their power need to be taken out of law enforcement, prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, and imprisoned. The police need to know they are not above the law just as the rest of us aren’t. And I apologige if this soap box of mine is offensive to some of you in law enforcement, but if you are offended, then I would argue that you are lacking in understanding, neglegent of your duty, and forgetful of your training. I know. I’ve been there. And I know how you think.
Report Post »AJAYW
Posted on August 23, 2011 at 6:28amVery well stated
Report Post »Carolina Infidel
Posted on August 23, 2011 at 8:20amThere isn’t really a good cop-bad cop issue. There are good guys and bad guys, heroes and villains. Bad guys can have any profession including being a cop or fireman.
Report Post »Unfortunately our culture now worships the bad guys instead of revering the good guy. If you ask the next generation if they would rather be the BatMan or the Joker, they pick the Joker, would they rather be a rapper or a lwyer or doctor, they pick the rapper.
Everything is all bassackwards. And this ride is just beginning. Hold on tight, its going to get worse.
rangerp
Posted on August 23, 2011 at 9:50amThere are many good police officers across the land. From north to south, and coast to coast. I have been freinds with many. Lots of good conservative people make law enforcement their profession. Yes, there are bad cops also, but there are bad doctors, bad lawyers, bad preachers, bad teachers, bad soldiers…..
Sometimes, the MSM gives you just a sliver of what happened (not saying it happend here, as I am not that well read up on it). The Rodney King case was a good example. The man had a history of fighting police, he was under the influence, and was fighting them. This day and age, the police often have the lower hand in situations, and have to go above and beyond when dealing with career criminal sorts.
Report Post »Gene R. Luth
Posted on August 23, 2011 at 11:21amI agree with you. There is SO much wrong in our country right now, this just a small part of it. RISE UP AMERICA !!!!
Report Post »FUTURE DISIDENT
Posted on August 22, 2011 at 11:13pmSaw some of this on the West Coast….Now…In the “South”… Sheriff here is a know drug dealer… Chief of Police is a known Stalker of minor girls….Because of the crimes of the Sheriff and the Chief the officers and deputies commit even worse crimes……DA and the Judges cover up for it all..Governors office knows of it..and is scared of getting burned over all of it…..FBI does not want to get involved for fear of over turning years of convictions…Short of rebellion….Suggestions?
Report Post »the hawk
Posted on August 22, 2011 at 11:51pmwe all know the answer I THINK if Mr. QBAMA loses nov 2012…..Nancy,Harry , Shelia J , maxine W ,
Report Post »will call their usefull idiots to the streets to riot in their Revolution, the path to restoring will be as clear as our noses on our faces. First we defend then we restore ! ! ! All government to locall ! !
SFYMP
Posted on August 23, 2011 at 1:40amThis is why every red blooded american needs as many rifles, pistols, and 10,000 rounds of ammo. The obombunists are coming for them next. The Po Po is in holders back pocket. Any good cop has found a new job. They aren’t there ”to protect and serve”. The citizens still outnumber every cop agency in this country. 10 to 1. Most of the PoPo are scared little bullys hiding behind a badge and gun. My badge is sitting on the shelf next to me. Citizens be watchful. It’s coming to a city near you.
Report Post »SenorStrange
Posted on August 22, 2011 at 11:08pmThe news report said the guy was a psyco. But I’m sure he did nothing wrong. Cops don’t beat people like this for nothing. Why don’t you wait to find out what happened?
Report Post »FUTURE DISIDENT
Posted on August 22, 2011 at 11:15pmActually…they do…kind of like a feeding frenzy….
Report Post »sodacrackers2
Posted on August 23, 2011 at 12:03amActually, they didn’t use the word “psycho;” the young man was homeless and mentally ill. If he did anything wrong, one police officer could have taken him. He was brutally beaten by six police officers.
Report Post »Napkin
Posted on August 23, 2011 at 12:38amWhat planet have you been living on? The only time cops aren’t beating innocent people to death is when dogs are around….
Report Post »SFYMP
Posted on August 23, 2011 at 1:46amsenorstrange has never seen the PoPo in action. Why do you think they have a pyscological test to see if they are depraved enough to shoot people? Ever seen the POST exam? You have to be a sheep before they let you in. Take off the blinders America. NO ONE in the govt. is on our side.
Report Post »princessnutsack
Posted on August 22, 2011 at 11:00pmNEVER been one to trust the police. I’m not really that ga-ga over them like most conservatives. Most have anger issues, and I believe they go into the field because of the power they wield. I wouldn’t be upset if these cops were put in general population, and the rest of the inmates should be made aware of their ex-cop status.
Report Post »Red1492
Posted on August 23, 2011 at 10:16amI agree. I’ve known way too many cops to know that most are no good. They will lie and cover for each other. It’s the creed of the “brotherhood”.
Report Post »rdietz7
Posted on August 22, 2011 at 11:00pmMURDERERS!! Crying out for his dad and they blugeon his head. Sic. And nobody does anything but watch and walk away. Somebody should have pleaded for the guys safety at the least.
Report Post »Matt39
Posted on August 22, 2011 at 10:48pmI love this country BUT I hate this govenment. I’m 72 and have seen my share BUT this crap going on with the cops and the politicians turns my stomach. It’s 9MM time.
Report Post »robert
Posted on August 22, 2011 at 11:20pmAnybody that doesn’t belong to a local militia………at the very least via internet communications……….is making a BIG mistake in this day and age.
Excellent communications with like minded people who are armed to the teeth is an absolute must. If you can’t afford a Ham radio outfit, citizen band radios are next best for local communications in case the grid goes down.
Too, it’s a good idea to join Oathkeepers just to keep up with relevant news, if nothing else. They’ll be among the first to know what is happening in a crises.
Report Post »whiskeybomb
Posted on August 22, 2011 at 10:44pmThis is what happens when We as a people have forgotten our Constitutional rights as citizens. As our knowledge of our government decreases so to our civil society of laws collapses. This is happening more and more because not only do our elected representatives no longer beleive they work for us, but those who are supposed to protects us are now led to believe they don’t either.
Report Post »the hawk
Posted on August 22, 2011 at 11:43pmAND REFUSE to GIVE THEM UP !
Report Post »freedomisasfreedomdoes
Posted on August 22, 2011 at 10:40pmMy heart broke hearing him cry out dad dad dad.. just broke:(
Report Post »Fiona333
Posted on August 22, 2011 at 10:33pmNot to excuse such heinous crime by police officers, but it is possible that frustration and stress (on the part of officers, in general) contributes to this. More than ever before, officers are expected to be superhuman – protecting us all without ever firing a shot. The law and court sentencing favors the criminal now more than ever before, and officers are under increasing pressure to perform the most dangerous duties under the most relentlessly critical of public and media eyes. Eventually, they just snap.
Report Post »UlyssesP
Posted on August 22, 2011 at 10:44pm“but it is possible that frustration and stress (on the part of officers, in general) contributes to this.”
Report Post »You’re crazy. THERE IS NO EXCUSE. You suck. You are the type that looked the other way when NAZI’s rounded up the “genetically” unwanted for execution.
the hawk
Posted on August 22, 2011 at 10:46pmit is possible that frustration and stress (on the part of officers, in general) contributes to this. More than ever before, officers are expected to be superhuman – protecting us all without ever firing a shot
Report Post »rEALLY GET A CLUE YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT, tHEY ARE now ALLOWED TO SHOOT JUST BECAUSE THEY THINK THEY’RE IN DANGER !
PROTECT AND SERVE MY BUT ! IT’S REVENUE AND INFORCMENT ! THEY DONT CARE ABOUT YOU AND ME! GOT A LOVED ONE OR FRIEND FEELING SORRY FOR?
Cops arn’t all bad but when theres 5-8-11 it’a a friggin Mob! A YOU SAID WHAT? kICKIN YOUR a$$ MOB >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Captain Crunch
Posted on August 22, 2011 at 11:24pmYou make me sick. There is no excuse! If they can’t handle it they need to get out of law enforcement. Lets hear you make excuses for them the next time one of these lunatics stops you for a minor traffic violation and you find yourself getting your head bashed in, or worse, taking a bullet to the chest. Bet you’ll change your tune then!
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on August 22, 2011 at 10:33pmI do not want to falsely accuse anyone but this appears to be out of control cops.
Report Post »NHABE64
Posted on August 22, 2011 at 10:30pmWhat happened to this man was terrible, and no doubt the beating from these morons who call themselves policemen was despicable. Also worthy of mention, California is a piss hole. It has completely changed from years ago when it was a beautiful state. a relatively safe state, now it has become a piss hole of thieves, murderers, gang members, drug sellers, and overall a complete mass of humanity in a sewer once called the Golden State of California. A pity…
Report Post »barber2
Posted on August 22, 2011 at 10:26pmMake sure there is no Van Jones group involved.
Report Post »BoyScout_Mom
Posted on August 22, 2011 at 10:19pmHow in the world in the age of stun guns, pepper spray, noxious gas, rubber/bean bag bullets, etc. is a beating or mutilation of this degree considered peace officer conduct? This man was obviously unarmed or he simply would have received a bullet to the brain. These men should be charged with murder.
Report Post »boomboom
Posted on August 22, 2011 at 10:23pmThye MURDERED that man.
Report Post »cassandra
Posted on August 22, 2011 at 10:29pmour police treat Americans to this treatment but they let illegals sponging off Americans go
Report Post »abbygirl1994
Posted on August 22, 2011 at 10:16pmThe police should be fired immediately..and be held accountable, but we will find that they protect their own and this poor young mans death will mean nothing.. I hope I am wrong.. until bad cops are taken off the streets of our country.. nothing will change. I am saddened for the family. I know what its like to have a mentally ill child.
Report Post »christos
Posted on August 22, 2011 at 10:13pm……Horrific,they are guilty of murder.
Report Post »yiddishlion
Posted on August 22, 2011 at 10:09pmYou know what, it is pretty damned hard to choke me up, but seeing that guy’s picture made cry.
Report Post »Scrubmaster
Posted on August 22, 2011 at 10:03pmPolice have now taken the law into there own hands. It is time for citizens to arm themselves to protect there families from the crooks and the police.
Report Post »team1blazer
Posted on August 22, 2011 at 9:59pmWhat do you expect from the left wing liberal democraps in caliland – only morons could put up with this crap.
Report Post »Secessionista
Posted on August 22, 2011 at 9:58pmIn this case, Sharia law would be good for America – all of the police officers should be beheaded, as should the mayor. That would make these jack-booted thugs all across the country reconsider being uncivil to our citizens, and it would make a great Blaze video, to boot.
Maybe next we can see that Ohio officer similarly treated.
Report Post »nappy
Posted on August 22, 2011 at 9:56pmTHis is not an issue for mob mentality. The radio stations in Los Angeles have already convicted the cops. I don’t care WHAT I see in any video. I am NOT part of this situation and I refuse to take ANY side just to release anger. IT is DISGUSTING that ANY media outlet would essentially TAINT any jury by assuming they know exactly what happened. .Just disgusting.
Imagine if YOU were in an altercation.. let’s say.. defending yourself. Someone shot video of it and caught the moment you put a bullet through the head of some attacker.Now the media uses that shot to condemn you. It that justice?
This is NO ONE’S business but the Fullerton PD and the family of the guy who died.
PERIOD>
Report Post »Scrubmaster
Posted on August 22, 2011 at 10:04pmCoward
Report Post »BrokenHearted
Posted on August 22, 2011 at 10:06pmYou are wrong, this type of thing happening more and more around the country and until the police know they can not get away with it and it stops we are involved.
Report Post »yiddishlion
Posted on August 22, 2011 at 10:06pmDing ding ding!!!! Most idiotic comment of the day award!
Report Post »TikeSissy
Posted on August 22, 2011 at 10:07pmI have no problem defending cops, it’s a job I would not want. But to beat a person to death…… Nappy, really! you don’t see anything wrong here?
Report Post »nappy
Posted on August 22, 2011 at 10:08pmthat’s the situation here in America my friend. The law is supposed to be left to work on its own. NOT be intimidated or corrupted by mob rule. If these cops actually beat this guy to death then they will be tried and found guilty. The same justice you would expect for yourself.
But seriously.. Was that the answer to my question? If it was.. aren’t you supporting my conclusion?
Report Post »nappy
Posted on August 22, 2011 at 10:15pmYes I certainly do see something wrong, from the comparison of the two images presented. I have been following this since it happened. The media has already made its decision. But is it my job to condemn anyone? No. It is the job of the justice system. At LEAST let it go through its first pass at the incident and then react. None of you were there. Nor was I.
Images of the dead and dying are powerful. If you saw every image from every homicide you would always side with the victim.
Again. If you want mob rule you can have it. But your life won’t be any safer.
Report Post »Liberty7
Posted on August 22, 2011 at 10:16pmCalm down Nappy. YOU ARE WRONG…this is the business of the ENTIRE Fullerton community and they deserve to have answers as to what happened that night. Nappy, sunshine is the best disinfectant and let us pull back the curtains in this case and, like the lyrics in that ol’ folk song intoned – let the sun shine in. If all those involved acted lawfully then they have nothing to fear, but for those who didn’t and lawfully…………
Report Post »nappy
Posted on August 22, 2011 at 10:23pm@LIBERTY
Are you suggesting that the media and anyone but the law should decide this case? I am compelled to agree with everyone here.. of course.. but I am not an involved party so I can not legally or morally voice an opinion about who is guilty and why.
Turn the tables. Put yourself in a position where you are innocent and the evidence suggests you are guilty. But the media and your peers are convinced by imagery, anger and prejudice.
Report Post »obamanation
Posted on August 22, 2011 at 10:26pmummm…. the guy is dead and the cops have shown no evidence of needing to use such force. duh.
plus, i actually live near fullerton and have dealt with orange county cops on many occasions… one cop in near by san clemente bashed my head in. and at a different incident another officer beat my friend so bad he was in the hospital for three days. neither of us ever committed a crime. neither of us were charged. both instances we were just walking down the street in the middle of the day. the officers out here are crazy. which is odd, because we have so little violent crime. irvine, oc, ca is the safest city in America.
the county sheriff was disgraced a couple years ago by Sheriff Mike Carona. and the police force is continuously under investigation by the state and the fed.
Orange County cops are nuts!!!!!!!!
“Ding ding ding!!!! Most idiotic comment of the day award!” <— You said it!!!
Report Post »nappy
Posted on August 22, 2011 at 10:28pm@LIBERTY
“sunshine is the best disinfectant and let us pull back the curtains in this case and, like the lyrics in that ol’ folk song intoned – let the sun shine in. If all those involved acted lawfully then they have nothing to fear, but for those who didn’t and lawfully…………”
Exactly. Don’t condemn anyone until you have done exactly what you have outlined.
Report Post »obamanation
Posted on August 22, 2011 at 10:29pmUmm… Nappy… we’re just giving our opinions. The courts will, in the end, decide the case. Mob rule won’t rule. The city just offered a forum to hear their citizens out. That wasn’t a court room. That was the Mayor, City Council members and the Police Chief…. not a Judge and Jury.
Report Post »tkrnstr
Posted on August 22, 2011 at 10:34pmNappy has a point, showing a video or a picture over and over does not tell the full story of any case. The media makes someone a criminal before they are convicted and that should not happen. In this case however, because this guy was not armed… there was no reason for his death, no excuses. He should not of died and what ever police officer did this to him… commited murder.
Report Post »nappy
Posted on August 22, 2011 at 10:35pm@obamanation
I believe your stories. I believe there is every possibility that the OC cops are as much of a problem as you tell me.
Now. Who makes the decisions about guilt or innocence in a civilized country?
Report Post »nappy
Posted on August 22, 2011 at 10:41pm@TKENSTR
“there was no reason for his death, no excuses. He should not of died and what ever police officer did this to him… commited murder.”
No Kidding. With everything they have for non-lethal control it is pretty amazing,wierd, brutal on its face. But I haven’t heard anything from the other side. And I’ve only seen these awful photos.
Now that could mean they have nothing or it could mean they have everything they need to vindicate themselves. However impossible that may seem I am not the one who decides that.
Remember the hordes of people who thought OJ was innocent?
Remember their affect on the trial?
I do.
Report Post »UlyssesP
Posted on August 22, 2011 at 10:46pmI remember you…you looked the other way in Germany, 1939. Carry on.
Report Post »nappy
Posted on August 22, 2011 at 10:58pm@UlyssesP
I remember you as well. You hung innocent men women and children for no good reason. Pick any time in history.
Report Post »obamanation
Posted on August 22, 2011 at 11:46pmThanks Nappy! You’re a good person.
To answer your question… either a Judge or Jury. But when that day comes, I’m sure they will find the officers force to be excessive.
But, we shall see…….
Report Post »ireport uderide
Posted on August 23, 2011 at 1:33amI say they suspend the entire police force for 1 week, no pay. Then deputize the homeless to patrol the streets.
Report Post »Problem solved.
TikeSissy
Posted on August 22, 2011 at 9:54pmWhy are this people still on the force?
Report Post »Mateytwo Barreett
Posted on August 22, 2011 at 11:04pmUh, can you say you-yun?
Report Post »Exrepublisheep
Posted on August 22, 2011 at 9:47pmI agree.
Report Post »Weiners Wiener
Posted on August 22, 2011 at 9:46pmCalifornia is the worst place in the country. Crazy liberals, crazy taxes, crazy illegal immigration, crazy violence at sporting events, and crazy, riot inciting cops who stomp on faces and civil rights like it’s going out of style. We should seriously use that entire dump of a state for bomb testing. The worst place on the planet.
Report Post »nappy
Posted on August 22, 2011 at 10:19pmagreed.
Report Post »teapartyteamstertrucker
Posted on August 22, 2011 at 10:20pmi agree
Report Post »obamanation
Posted on August 22, 2011 at 10:32pmyeah, but the weather is awesome!! plus, this is a very conservative part of california. it’s LA and NorCal that suck!
Report Post »Stu D. Baker-Hawk
Posted on August 23, 2011 at 12:15amIt‘s why I permanently moved out of that state way back in ’79… and I don’t miss it ONE BIT.
Report Post »BOUGHT YOUR SILO YET?
Posted on August 23, 2011 at 12:28amAll of it sucks and I HAVE to live here.
I am sick and tired of illegals being treated better than citizens. Went to register my daughter who is a senior this year at the high school back on the 27th of July as class started on August 10. We just found out that all students 7th-12th have to have a D-Tap shop prior to entering the school. My daughter’s shot was scheduled for the 2nd of August. They wouldn’t even enroll her unless she had the shot. On the third of August we went up to the school again to enroll. We had everything in order: proof of residency, shot records, birth certificate, and all the forms. Including the form which requires you to state the date that your child first entered the US public school system. The two Latina ladies a head of me did not have ANY- any, shot records for their student. The registrar told the women they had to provide the date for when the student first entered public school and then left the desk to make copies of something. I overheard one of the ladies say she didn’t know what date to put down, so her friend told her to just put down anything. Red flags all over the place and the registrar still enrolled this child, no shot records an all, the kid was enrolled. I hate living here in libville.
Report Post »MODEL82A1
Posted on August 22, 2011 at 9:44pmObviously, there was a mix-up when publishing the “before” picture. There is no way the man in that photo could ever be a victim in America. Although, perhaps he was gay…. The CaliLeft can only hope.
Report Post »dscon
Posted on August 22, 2011 at 9:44pmi am disgusted!
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