Update: Social Conservatives Lose Out in Texas’ Evolution vs. Creationism Curriculum Debate
- Posted on July 23, 2011 at 12:14pm by
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AUSTIN, Texas (The Blaze/AP) — On Thursday, The Blaze reported on Texas’ ongoing public school curriculum debate over evolution and creationism. On Friday, after two days of meetings, the Texas State Board of Education delivered a blow to social conservatives. While there was some compromise in the mix, final approval was given to supplemental high school science materials after a brief flare-up over the inclusion of some lessons teaching the principles of evolution.
The lessons in question included a lab comparison on chimpanzee and human skulls, the fossil record and cell complexity. A board-appointed reviewer had called the lessons errors and recommended changes, but a group of scientists objected on Friday, threatening to re-ignite a fierce debate over teaching evolution in Texas public schools.
The board‘s social conservatives compromised when it appeared they would lose a vote to reject the reviewer’s changes in favor of the original lessons. Instead of a showdown vote on evolution, the panel agreed to approve the material and have Education Commissioner Robert Scott continue working on the lessons in question with publisher Holt McDougal.
“Today we saw Texas kids and sound science finally win a vote on the State Board of Education,” said Kathy Miller, president of the Texas Freedom Network, a group that supports mainstream scientists in the teaching of evolution and has repeatedly sparred with board conservatives over education standards. ”We saw the far right’s stranglehold over the state board is finally loosening,” she said.
The conservative wing in 2009 had pushed through controversial standards that called for schools to scrutinize “all sides” of scientific theory. Several of the conservative board members disputed the notion of defeat on Friday.
Chairwoman Barbara Cargill, R-The Woodlands, said she was pleased with the compromise because Scott will continue working with Holt McDougal to find language that is factually correct and fits the standards adopted in 2009. ”I feel very comfortable turning it over to him,” she said.
The 15-member board is dominated by Republicans but the ultra-conservative wing lost a key vote in 2010 when former chairman Don McLeroy was defeated by Thomas Ratliff, R-Mount Pleasant.
Ratliff said he would have voted to support the findings of the scientists and throw out the changes recommended by the board reviewer. ”There’s no question had some seats not changed, it would have been different,” Ratliff said.
David Bradley, R-Beaumont, one of the board’s most conservative members, said that without the compromise, he would have sought to kill the entire submission.
This week’s meeting had been expected to re-ignite the fiery debate over evolution that put the board in the national spotlight two years ago.
One conservative group had put a call out to pack Thursday’s public hearing with witnesses urging the board to adopt materials that question evolution. But they were outnumbered by witnesses supporting evolution.
The board avoided a contentious debate on the theory of intelligent design when an electronic textbook supporting the theory did not make Scott’s list of recommended materials and was not eligible for consideration.
The new online teaching materials are necessary because the state could not afford to buy new textbooks this year, leaving students to use some that are several years old.
Supplemental materials that are approved have the advantage of being on the state’s recommended list, but school districts can still buy other materials they chose.
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banjarmon
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 12:50pmOnly GOD knows the True story of Evolution.
Report Post »its_time_to_arrest_our_government
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:13pmmaybe liberals come from apes i for one, do not! funny how they can’t prove it. for anyone to believe that crap must have as much or more faith. its time we rid our nation of these monkeys and apes. after all they are just animals. now that we know what they are its not going to be so hard to treat them like what they claim to be. we need to cage tag and set them lose far away from real people.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:35pm@ITS_TIME_TO_ARREST_OUR_GOVERNMENT
Probably can‘t prove it because you’re claiming the wrong thing. Humans don’t come from apes – they share a common ancestor.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:39pm@locked…and what ancestor was that?
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:54pm@joe haha,, Here’s your list missing links in a 2 minute futurama clip.. Even they pay attention to the science!
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 2:05pmhttp://www.myvidster.com/video/316851/Futurama_-_Evolution_Debate_
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 2:06pm@cesium…too bad gould and eldridge never found them..HAHA
Report Post »beckbotsrlame
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 2:16pmAnd of course the beckester who according to pea brain beckbots came directly from God. Shalom
Report Post »alleycat
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 2:20pmWe must stop compromising… that is what has brought us to where we are today!
Report Post »HankScram
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 2:22pmMormons don‘t believe in evolution because they haven’t done it yet.
Report Post »HankScram
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 2:27pmJoel1234,
It looks like you really resent science because it neutered your mormon faith. things were okay until the Kinderhook plates translation was shown by scientists to be a fraud, until archeologists found nothing from the great civilization, until DNA didn’t link the American Indians to Israel (wait, now you say a remote tribe in South America?). Your resentment of science and your inner turmoil is playing out in the Blaze boards. It’s interesting to observe.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 2:44pm@hank….hey gomer, I’m not a mormon…I would say get a clue, but you darwiniacs have yet to evolve any intelligence…
evolution isn’t science…its atheist faith…why don’t you prove evolution is science…list the mutations that led to the eye…whats that..you can’t?? no one else can either…
yet you believe the eye evolved…its called FAITH.
Report Post »PATTY HENRY
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 3:37pmEVOLUTION is a sham. THERE Has never been a missing link found. IT doesn‘t makes sense that ’SOME of the APES” became men (and women) but some didn’t. Silly people trying to be in control of their lives from start…(so why does it finish?) LIFE IS A SCHOOL…short or long…it’s a school. It’s our job to come to GOD..He’s not going to force us… This EVOLUTION crowd has been anti- GOD for eons. Poor people. They need to use some REAL logic, or face a life of pure misery.
Report Post »woodyl1011fl
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 3:41pmGod has told us how we came into existence and how we got to be the way we are and there is no story of evolution. Evolution is Satan’s lying deception it is not science and never has been. “evolutionary science’ so called is fraud. Evolution is not a necessary component of understanding our world it is a hindrance to creativity, academic freedom, freedom of inquiry, conscience and it is the foundational religious belief of atheism, humanism intrinsic to naturalism. This religious indoctrination is the judicial enforced religion of the state. The irrationality of the scientists presuppositional arguements is astounding. But liberals believe in historical mythologies of their own minds-look where that has taken us. One more thing the totalitarian, tyrannical, arrogant, self-righteous closed mindedness of these alleged educators – read indoctrinators – spells disaster for the future of our freedoms, liberties and constitutional republic and true education!
Report Post »TAWNSTER
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 3:51pm@Hankscram
Reviewing many of your past comments, it appears you are quite obsessed with Mormons. Your comments lack intelligence and only show that you are completely oblivious about Mormons and their theology. Get a clue dude.
JednaVira
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 3:58pmFortunately for us God explained the story, and it doesn’t include evolution. It starts in Genesis 1:1.
http://www.thePoliPit.com
Report Post »usa44mag
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 5:08pmI did not evolve from a monkey! Wait a minute – Honey, can you get me a banana?
Report Post »tradexpertbuysell
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 5:13pmNope. We do know more. Some one hundred years macro evolution was given the same fraudulent hype that global warming does today. The compairsons are frankly startling as to how the mariage of false science and political correctness was as true then as it is now.
EXAMPLE: The horse evolution pictures that suposedly demonstrate so called conclusive evidence were exposed by the greatest scientist of the time, George Gaylord Simpson as tripe with exhibits taken out of their original lime stone deposits and intermixed to give the impression of a progression that had no real validity. Worst yet at the time vertibrate embryos of the different animal Classes were intentionally drawn similar in stark contrast to that actual material and its author convicted of fraud in Geneva in 1875. Yet today the Progressives still keep puting these illustrations in school text books with not even any metion of its controversial history but in fact dishonestly still treat it as gosphel truth in the march towards making a fake science sound like real science. Deja Vu! Global Warming and the falsification e-mails exposed in England over a year ago. The march continues.
Report Post »ChuckJ
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 5:50pmYou are right and He told us the story in Genesis. Six days and no monkeys.
Report Post »Rice Water
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 7:58pmI don’t claim to have all the answers, but it seems to me when someone says “It’s too complicated for us to comprehend, so let’s chalk it up to God”, that’s not a real productive avenue. I’ll keep supporting science, thanks.
Report Post »joel228
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 8:24pmHank, if you want to argue with a Mormon argue with me. I left a number of replies to you on the previous newspiece and mentioned several times that you are confusing Joe and myself.
The purpose of the Kinderhook plates was to try to fool the early church leaders and to achieve a false translation. It did nothing of the sort but dopey anti LDS bigots couldn’t care less.
Read this
http://www.fairlds.org/Misc/How_Do_We_Explain_Early_Comments_about_the_Kinderhook_Plates.html
As to evolution you should read my replies on the previous article.
Report Post »Thomas
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 8:38pmThis argument is not between God and evolution but between someones theological interpretation of the bible and science.
Evolution does not disprove the bible or God but only someones theological interpretation. On the idea of whether there is a God or not, good science yet remains neutral. Since God is tracing genes in the bible, doesn’t that mean that God new about evolution before science? Does Genesis 30:39 where Jacob is dealing with the flocks of sheep reveals that God had taught him something about genes and how they are passed from generation to generation?
The things spoken about in Genesis 1 that God did in an instant mentally/Spiritually is still unraveling in the progress of time and Genesis 2:1-3 from the point of view of the physical has not yet happened. Now Adam was the start of a new segment of time called the Adamic age (of which the bible deals with) within a much older segment of time that could be millions or billions of years old. Adam was something new introduced to this world. Time is actually insignificant to the God. Genesis 6 speaks about Adam’s offspring (called the Sons of God) being mixed with the humanoid evolved creatures, that were here before Adam, through their daughters. Noah was mixture and so are we. Adam’s offspring introduced language and objectivity to the purely subjective and emotional world of the animal. Adam is the missing link that science has yet to find because of his origin as an angelic genes that were placed in a ph
Report Post »S G Applebee
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 9:20pmTake just 3 minutes, watch this, then refute it.
http://youtu.be/UNSwyCi9E9k
Report Post »TheCenturion
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 9:59pmHey, I always say; if they think they descended from apes, they probably did, and it’s quite evident in their actions.
I do have the solution to all of it — VOUCHERS!! The D.O.E. has been a complete failure as U.S. students rank among the bottom academically in developed nations, and our public school system has become nothing more than indoctrination centers for socialism. GET RID OF THE DOE.
Report Post »HankScram
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 10:09pmClayton’s journal entry for May 1, 1843 that stated:
I have seen 6 brass plates which were found in Adams County … President Joseph has translated a portion and says they contain the history of the person with whom they were found & he was a descendant of Ham through the loins of Pharoah king of Egypt, and that he received his kingdom from the ruler of heaven & earth (Intimate Chronicle, p. 100, emphasis added).
Joel – now explain how Clayton’s journal was inaccurate – I love to see the contortions people go through to try to explain away Prophets Sermons, McKonkie’s Book, the Racist doctrine, changes to the Book of Mormon, DNA evidence, archeological evidence that doesn’t exist . . . the Book of Mormon used to be considered a story about a civilization in North America, Indians descendents from Israel, and a war where millions died – now its either buried under the great lakes or lost deep in the jungle of South America. The excuses are more entertaining than the original story. So . . . Clayton’s journal means nothing because . . .
Report Post »KENCO
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 10:18pmAll reality, all that exists in the universe is contained within 5 categories: Time, Force, Action, Space, and Matter. The FIRST science book (BIBLE) describes the origin of all these things. GEN 1:1-In the beginning (TIME), GOD (FORCE), created (ACTION), the heavens (SPACE) and the earth (MATTER). Evolutionary theory is bad science. It’s not logical. To believe it you must believe that NOTHING made SOMETHING out of NOTHING! Evolution “science” is closer to a religion and I just don’t have enough faith to believe it.
Report Post »jzs
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 10:19pmIt’s a sad reflection on the education of Americans that this conversation is even taking place. In order to stay ahead of the world or even stay even with countries in Europe or the far east we should be giving our children the best education we can pay for.
We should be teaching science in the science classes, not religion. Creationism isn’t science. The basis of creationism is that miracles explain the why the world exists, why man exists, why all life on exists on Earth (and, I guess, God was created by a miracle, by another God maybe).
Science assumes that the phenomenon we observe are natural, and do no require supernatural explanations (miracles). No advance of knowlege are technology since time began were a results of depending on miracles to produce the desired results. Oxen drawn plowing of fields didn’t depend on miracles, nor the development of penicillin. Nor development of TV, radio, computer chips, nor MRI’s or modern medicine.
Creationism is not science. It has no hypotheses to be tested, it makes no predicitions that can be proven or disproven. The only “scientific” basis for Creationism is pointing out flaws it sees in the theory of evolution. It‘s religion in sheep’s clothing. Teach it at church. But it has no place in the public schools.
Report Post »HankScram
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 10:33pmTawnster,
Your comments show why it is so hard for someone to leave the church. Those who express there reasons for not believe are met with comments like yours – from family and friends. They are treated with disdain. To stay in the group, you have to go along. Complete intolerance. It keeps people in in the short term, but in the long-term even more leave because they don’t want to be a part of such intolerance. Just look at the declining numbers. Don’t go to mormon church statistics. Just look at census in brazil and other countries – how people self-report their religious affiliation. Then look at what mormon church claims. deceitful in one, deceitful in many. There are many clues if you just look.
Report Post »Blueintheface
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 10:49pmPrivatize the school system and each parent can choose what they want taught to their kids, put the government in as middle man and the government decides.
Report Post »S G Applebee
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 11:58pmKenco: “Evolutionary theory is bad science. It’s not logical. To believe it you must believe that NOTHING made SOMETHING out of NOTHING! Evolution “science” is closer to a religion and I just don’t have enough faith to believe it.”
This just shows how IGNORANT you are on Evolution. Evolution has NOTHING to do with ORIGINS, but PROCESS. But since you’re the expert, please tell us where “God” came from.
Report Post »joel228
Posted on July 24, 2011 at 1:17amHankscram, haven‘t you embarrassed yourself enough by attempting to argue anti LDS BS with someone that isn’t even LDS? Your facts and conclusions about Mormons are about as good as your arguments in favor of evolution (that’s not a compliment). Regardless the answers to your insignificant issue about someone‘s attempt to fool Joseph Smith 160 years ago are on the link that I posted and that you apparently didn’t read. Clayton had many facts wrong and Joseph Smith never produced anything from the phony plates so what is the issue?
Also people go to the comments pages hoping to read something related to the article that was written not to see an infestation of anti Mormon ranting. I’ll be happy to debate you about your religious beliefs especially as they relate to the topic at hand which is evolution. Do you have any religious beliefs other than atheism? But I suspect you are not really atheist because they are not normally as anti Mormon bigoted as you are. Atheists usually go for the logical argument which is much better than yours. Your’s is more like someone with an axe to grind for whatever reason. Are you gay and didn‘t like Elder Packer’s speech some time back? Have you ever chained yourself to the gates of an LDS temple in protest of anything like proposition 8, or abortion, or the equal rights amendment or the church’s early years stance against slavery? There has to be something behind your irrational behavior.
Report Post »naed5048
Posted on July 24, 2011 at 1:49amI’m amazed…….for then to teach evalution, and we evolved from the ape….do they explain then why their are still apes in existence? Or like the other person said, liberal democraks are still in exsistence and are disgiesed as humans…….Thats it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Report Post »JJ Coolay
Posted on July 24, 2011 at 1:58am“Theories” should not be taught as mandated cirriculum. If a kid wants to enroll in an elective that teaches theories, that’s fine.
Report Post »Secondly, theories that are taught, should be taught with their counter arguments ALSO presented, since they are only theories and should be left for the person to decide, not presented as fact.
HankScram
Posted on July 24, 2011 at 2:08amJOEL228,
yes, I’m gay. I had a lengthy relationship with a mormon missionary. He left me and was married in the temple. He’s a stake president now. I still see him in the bath houses on occasion.
Report Post »HankScram
Posted on July 24, 2011 at 2:12amjoel228,
i can’t argue evolution. have you read the cats posting on here? we‘ve got a phd brother on here that’s talking so far over everyone’s head we might as well all stop posting. there’s some brilliant people discussing the topic, I’m definitely not one of them. But, I appreciate those who inquire – who wake up each morning hoping to learn something that contradicts what they believed the day before.
Report Post »hightide
Posted on July 24, 2011 at 8:36amYes only God knows, and he told us that he created man. While there can be change within a species, micro evolution, a species can not change from to another species. That is so ridiculous. It takes more faith to believe that than that God created us all.
Report Post »Ave-Crux-Spes-Unica
Posted on July 24, 2011 at 10:51amOnly G-d knows, Amen.
Report Post »beckisnuts
Posted on July 24, 2011 at 10:53amjoel123, a species of salamander that lives deep inside a cave system lost its eyes over a great deal of time, because they naturally were more of a detriment than a benefit. Evolution is real. It’s childishly simplistic to believe otherwise.
Report Post »nuttyvet
Posted on July 24, 2011 at 2:22pmseriously??? and you probably think the world is only 5,ooo years old. Once humans thought the Earth was flat, do you want to go back to that way of thinking again? Take a second away from your bible and pick up a science book. Try and be open minded and just read about Mendelian Genetics, or Darwin’s Theory and tell my that it is a crock. Religeous nuts are everywhere! (now fellow blazers, tell me I will be judged and all that malarky)
Report Post »paulusmaximus
Posted on July 24, 2011 at 5:13pmNo! Genesis chapter 1,2,3 true story, inclusive.Evolutionists should look to a different part of the tree like horses donkeys and the A**!
Report Post »audiemurphy
Posted on July 24, 2011 at 7:13pmNeal A. Maxwell sums it up best! – “We are all aware of man’s poor peripheral vision in that his views are often narrow and heedless of what is going on on each side of him. Man’s problem is often one of length of view, too. This poorness of perspective often produces wonderful and pathetic paradoxes: men who have been given the blessings of life by the grace of God, cry that life is senseless; men who have been given breath and voice by God, use the powers of speech to deny God’s existence; men who have been given the capacity to feel, exult so much in this gift that sensual things sublimate spiritual things; and some men who see our reaching out to distant places in our solar system conclude that this special planet is a random, unplanned mutant and refuse to connect the order of physical laws (that makes such journeys into space possible) with an Orderer.”
Report Post »thepatriotdave
Posted on July 25, 2011 at 4:23amWhat is up with the AP/TheBlaze articles? They are getting as bad as other mainstream media slugs when writing their biased opinions instead of presenting the news. Seriously, what’s the deal with “…controversial standards that called for schools to scrutinize “all sides” of scientific theory.“ Please tell me what is so ”controversial“ about ”scrutinizing “all sides” of scientific theory”? And nuggets like this…”dominated by Republicans but the ultra-conservative wing”?
Does Glenn know whats happening to his once trustworthy Blaze?
http://www.allenwestforpresident.us
Report Post »Time for real Leader!
smithclar3nc3
Posted on July 25, 2011 at 3:44pmIf humans evolved from monkeys as they claim then why are there still monkey? What did some just refuse to9 evolve?
Report Post »And if evolution is the key to all life then why are there creatures that haven’t evolved sharks,crocs,hell turtles alone move slow as crap and have been on the planet 10 times longer than primates….WHY HAVEN’T THEY EVOLVED INTO SOMETHING THAT CAN MOVE FASTER?
Or why haven’t reptiles evolved to be able to hunt and exsist in cold weather?
The Third Archon
Posted on July 29, 2011 at 1:24am@Locked
Report Post »True Story
@Cesium
That’s like my FAVORITE Futurama clip–I am SO glad you found it. Henceforth, it shall be tagged to every ******** anti-evolution nonsense I find on the internet! Effective Immediately!
http://www.myvidster.com/video/316851/Futurama_-_Evolution_Debate_
OfromTexas
Posted on March 1, 2012 at 3:17pmI am from Texas. I am a christian and educated. I understand that science as is really practiced by scientists is not anywhere near “creation science”. Forget about any idea that humans evolved from a common ancestor as did some apes. Forget about the myth story of the book of Genesis.
Report Post »Consider: the founding fathers, themselves christians, decided to separate church and state. Science in school is to teach children about the scientific method and what that method has discovered. Creation science in its core, is designed to find proof of the stories of the Bible. That is why it is not science. Its foundation is not a search for truth; it assumes the creation story of the Bible is true. Science does not start with a premise. It works on the scientific method to prove or disprove a hypthothesis. It may have problems, but it has served humanity well over the past several centuries. The old roman catholic church had similar problems with science. Remember Galileo. The church recently recanted saying his statements where heretical. I find it ironic that christians have problems with science and fear it. Like children learning about science and evolution is going to turn them away from being christians, instead of illuminating the wonders of nature and of the creator. China is a global power. Many are buddhist, shinto, christian, muslim. They dont seem to have a problem with science and evolution. Do we want their children to outcompete ours, just because we have people who fear
mwhaley
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 12:49pmWhat has evolved from apes is our politations. It is just the apes are smarter.
Report Post »junior1971
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:01pmlibs too, dont forget the libs, but dont fear, they evolve into consevatives:>
Report Post »Fight for America
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:15pmThanks – this cracked me up. I needed the chuckle.
Report Post »Captain Crunch
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:54pmObama hasn’t evolved yet.
Report Post »woodyl1011fl
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 4:06pm@cesium
Report Post »One could say that liberals/democrats are proof of evolution and it has failed miserably! Obviously it is a false concept. Also Hitler’s worldview like all socialists then and now is founded in a complete evolutionary belief system which is why these people did then and now embrace and do EVIL Good and evil are not concepts that can be found in a naturalistic evolutionary worldview racism is intrinsic to evolution but is inreality complete nonsense. We had a common ancestor all right and they had names Adam and Eve.
Cesium
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 7:04pm@woody… so by your logic, anyone who uses a knife for evil means knives are evil? I don’t get your logic.. Evolution doesn’t care what people think of it or use it for, it just is something that happens in nature… You can use to better understand cell function and progress medical research or you can use it to be racist. LIke i told joe.. evolution theory led to studies that show we all trace back to African heritage.. I dunno about you but thanks to evolution racism can be squashed.. Don’t be another one of those fools who suggests Darwinian evolution is anything like “social darwinism.” That is not a term Darwin created or an idea he suggested
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 7:15pm@cesium you’re a liar…darwin embraced eugenics his cousin GALTON founded the movement..and darwin’s children were deeply involved in eugenics…
do you EVER tell the truth?
Report Post »Firebrand
Posted on July 25, 2011 at 3:02pm@joe
Report Post »please go here to get further educated:
http://scienceblogs.com/primatediaries/2009/07/darwins_connection_to_nazi_eug.php
Dallasmarine
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 12:48pmThis will have to be deemed racist since about 18% have never evolved.
Report Post »jb.kibs
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 2:19pmwithout God… these things all lead to racism and anarchy. God created evolution, it can be both.
…
if we are not all united under God, then there is no reason a genetic wastiod should be leading anyone else. this is includes, anyone with ANY genetic disorder or mutation. even gays, since it’s a genetic defect., etc, etc… you must be genetically perfect if you are to lead the rest of us… there is no justification for “less than perfect”. if our rights do not come from God, you better be a perfect human in every aspect to be able to dictate the rights of anyone else. end of story.
a person can carry out Gods will, and if we all recognize that, we are on the same page… in that case the leader is more of a shepard, guiding people, not controlling them… if there is no God in the equasion, then it’s only a struggle for power over everyone else, like a king, etc.. in that case, noone deserves any power or leadership over anyone else. it basically says, we are completely free, like our ancestors; the monkeys. after this is in place, all politicians must stand down from office; effective immediately. for all laws, which are based on the 10 commandments, are null and void. there are no recorded “animal laws”.
our laws come from God… the 10 commandments… which are all anyone needs; if they would only follow them…
Report Post »Airgun
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 12:43pmHome School.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 12:49pmIf at first you don’t succeed…
We should be as persistent as the progressives. But that doesn‘t mean you can’t homeschool too.
Report Post »KEL
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 12:43pmIsn’t amazing that the same bible that they claim has no scientific credibility concerning how it all began, is the same bible that is clear how it all ends. The whole world will be deceived by a global one world Gov. that strips everyone of their individual, God given rights, and value, so that they’ll be herded like cattle instead of like men. How? Anti-christ deception.
Report Post »nysparkie
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 12:42pmGuess I’ll sell the house, wear a loin cloth (So I don”t get laughed at) and find a large tree to live in.
Report Post »Umgowa!!!
NHwinter
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 12:41pmPersonally, I think the Democrats were never able to cross over that line between ape and human.
Report Post »TelepromoterNChief
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 12:49pmHello?
Opposable thumbs.
Democrats do not have any, thus preventing them to cross any lines.
Report Post »SREGN
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:50pmYes, that’s true, but there is clear evidence of some transitional forms such as Cynthia McKinney, Al Franken, and Maxine Waters.
Report Post »Viet Vet
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 2:03pmNot just the democraps, but their close cousins the extreme right Libertarians (anarchists).
Report Post »Briggston
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 12:41pmWhat is the real issue here? Is it because evolution is being taught as fact or as just part of the curriculum? I personally don’t have a problem with the theory of evolution being taught in schools as long as it is taught as that a theory. Now if they are purposely trying to discredit creationism by stating that evolution is fact. Then obviously the conservatives fighting this have a right to do so. I have had this discussion with friends who believe in evolution. I myself once considered its possibility and theory as well. However I discovered otherwise. But that does not discount the science known. I have used the same geological and fossil record in arguing the creation stand point and once people start to get through their heads that God is not a magician but the greatest scientist in the universe and when we use actual established physical laws such is what is really meant by the word “create” in the genesis account people start to understand that the arrogant stand taken by Atheists and evolutionists as well as those ignorantly promoting creationism just because it conflicts with their religious views both have fallen into the same trap of bias. The argument for creationism can be established on scientific, logical and physical fact using the exact same data the evolutionists base theirs on believe it or not.
Report Post »Christabel
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 12:50pmI have the same thoughts as you. I’d like to know who they use to explain alternative theories, and how will these courses be put together. It seems that either the media ignores what the intelligent design arguments consist of or that there is no substantual research on alternative theories to support intelligent design. By that I mean qualified authors to write on the subject. I think we‘d all agree that Joe Shmoh in his garage wouldn’t qualify to write about it.
Report Post »Do you happen to know any educated authors who would be considered? I’d like to read their stuff.
aesaac
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:00pmthe problem it seems is with the word “evolution” – call it something else – call it the phenomenon of morphological adaptation. enviornmental preasure and the subsequent adaptation of life to meet the demands of that preasure.
man didn’t come from a monkey but he is morphologically, certainly very similar. God [Gravity, First Cause, Nature] created it all, no living organism created itself – that’s a scientific fact.
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Locked
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:39pm“Now if they are purposely trying to discredit creationism by stating that evolution is fact. Then obviously the conservatives fighting this have a right to do so.”
Creationism is not a scientific theory. You’re mistaking it with Intelligent Design, which also has no science behind it but at least fronts as being nonreligious. Creationism should be taught in the proper place: outside of public education. Science should be taught in a science class, and evolution has been tested and verified multiple times in laboratory and natural settings. Creationism and ID, by their very natures, cannot be tested with scientific means and so do not belong in a public classroom.
Report Post »Christabel
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:40pmThat’s a good point AES. I also think it is important to learn it in these terms, rather than attempt to throw the whole theory out as heresy.
Report Post »I read an article yesterday that they’re combining human and age DNA for experimentation in the UK which is absolutely appalling. If we were to change the attitudes of some of these scientists who do such horrible experiments, we need to argue on that level to stop it.
joe1234
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:42pm@locked…evolution is nothing more than atheist faith…with no science behind it…
Naturalistic evolution has clear consequences that Charles Darwin understood perfectly. 1) No gods worth having exist; 2) no life after death exists; 3) no ultimate foundation for ethics exists; 4) no ultimate meaning in life exists; and 5) human free will is nonexistent.”
Provine, William B. [Professor of Biological Sciences, Cornell University], “, “Evolution: Free will and punishment and meaning in life”, Abstract of Will Provine’s 1998 Darwin Day Keynote Address.
Report Post »Viet Vet
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 2:01pmIf ‘creationism’ isn’t a scientific theory, it’s only because most scientists are atheists and biased science is not science, but political science. Even if it could ever be discovered and proved that there is ‘evolution’ or ‘adaptation’ or whatever, it had to come by way of God, as God created the universe.
As someone else pointed out, I would not be bothered so much if the two were taught side by side, but as with everything else with the Left (and the anarchists), they are arrogant and elitist, and having no respect for ordinary citizens and their ability to think for themselves, refuse to leave anything to ‘chance’.
Report Post »wordweaver
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 2:23pm@cristabel
One book I highly recommend is “The Language of God” by Francis S. Collins. From the title, it sounds like it has a creationist bias, but I felt like Collins was very even-handed in presenting and comparing all of the main origin theories held today. As an accomplished scientist (Director of the Human Genome Project) and a Christian, he discusses the subject with respect to all viewpoints.
Report Post »Christabel
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 2:23pmJoe that is not a quote from Charles Darwin. It’s from social darwinists that have such views. If there is one from Charles, please post it. I mean that sincerely. And before you go shouting at me and calling me a racist, I would like to you research the difference between what he wrote and what came about in history afterward. Yes, through Spencer and others who founding eugenics etc. perverting the very notions of his research for horrible things. Through various biographies and personal writings this was never his intention. But hey, either way to accuse anyone of being racists and just chip this off of fundamentalist faith as you do in some of your other posts is insulting to the debate.
Report Post »May I remind you of how early puritan/protestants rationalized slavery through the mark of Cain in this country. It is wrong, and I don‘t hold anyone accountable for racism in today’s society for that old belief.
jb.kibs
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 2:27pmactually… human free will would exist either way.
Report Post »animals have free will… what the F is controlling their ‘will’ ? them. themselves. nothing more can ever control their ‘will’ but themselves…
and since God gave us Free Will, we have it that way too… either way, we have free will. it comes down to the 10 commandments. we either have these simple ‘laws’ to follow, or we have NO laws to follow and we are free to be animals surviving as the fittest. natural selection.
Christabel
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 2:30pmThank you wordweaver. I will check it out!
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 2:39pm@christlabel….this crap about saintly old charlie darwin is just laughable..ever see the title of his book??
On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life
Thirdly, Darwin prepared the way for eugenics. Indeed, his immediate family would soon be involved in that movement — his sons George and Leonard became active in promoting it (Leonard serving as “president of the Eugenics Education Society, the main eugenics group in Great Britain”), and his cousin Francis Galton became the founder of the “eugenics crusade.” Evidently, Darwin was sympathetic to eugenics: West quotes him as vowing “to cut off communication” with his disciple Mivart when the latter “criticized an article by Darwin’s son George that advocated eugenics.”
link
Report Post »TruthDarts
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 2:48pm@Briggston
EXACTLY !
If survival of the fittest and natural selection is solely used…than through evolution alone we would NOT be at the point we are on earth.
If as the Bible says that 10,000 years is but the blink in the eye of God…just how many blinks are in 7 DAYS of His Creation?
Report Post »Of course this does NOT include all the amounts of time that pass IN BETWEEN BLINKS ….
Islesfordian
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 5:35pm“and evolution has been tested and verified multiple times in laboratory and natural settings.”
Bold claim, LOCKED. It is also a flat out LIE. Macro evolution, which is what everyone thinks of when evolution is discussed and which is what is contested in these batlles, by its very nature cannot be tested. Never has spontaneous mutation of the genetic code been see to occur which advanced a species. All mutations are negative, failures within the genetic code.
As far as ID not having science behind it, Michael Behe, the author of one Sarwin’s Black Box, is a professor of biochemistry at Lehigh University and has a PhD in biochenistry from the University of Pennsylvania. The charge that his study isn’t peer reviewed has nothing to do with whether it is scientific or not. It is a way to put rebelious scientists in their place and maintain orthodoxy, whicjh ois anithetical to true science. The more serious charge that his theory is unfalsifiable omits the fact that it is a critique of evolution rather than a posstive theory on its own. And evolutionary science has never produced its falsifiable criteria, co by the same argument evolution cannot be considered science because it does not allow for falsifying.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 8:31pm@Isles:
“Bold claim, LOCKED. It is also a flat out LIE. Macro evolution, ”
Bam, stopped reading, MACRO evolution is a pseudo-scientific term… why? Because it DOESN’T EXIST in science. Any differentiation in evolution is put there by opponents because evolution itself is simple and easy: “organisms biologically change over time.” And know what? It’s 100% true. We’ve seen it. There is zero doubt in the scientific community.
Any extrapolation: of abiogensis, of a primary creator, of a freaking vapor shield around the earth 6k years ago according to Dr. DeYoung; is based on faith. Evolution itself has been proven – it will not ALWAYS happen (hence, it is not a law) but it has been observed and cannot be disproven (hence, a theory).
God bless.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on July 24, 2011 at 2:58am““organisms biologically change over time.” And know what? It’s 100% true. We’ve seen it. There is zero doubt in the scientific community. ”
You haven’t seen organisms change outside the limits of their genetic code. THAT‘S what you haven’t witnessed or proved , and THAT’S what you assmue in EVOLUTION. If you don’t want to give THAT concept a name to distinguish it from adaptation WITHIN the parameters of the genetic code that only shows you to be deceptive.
If what you say is true you should easily be able to produce evidence of new genetic code spontaneously and NATURALLY occuring through mutation. But you don’t produce this evidence. Why? It‘s because you don’t have it.
Report Post »conundrum2020
Posted on July 24, 2011 at 12:08pma scientific theory is “a statement of what are general laws,
principles, or causes of something known or observed.”
theory of gravity is a fact.
theory of relativity is a fact.
Atomic theory is a fact.
theory of evolution is a fact, the mechanism for evolutionary change
is natural selection, a theory, not a fact.
a theory is accepted as “fact” only when the evidence and
predictions are tested and confirmed repeatedly.
there is no one moment when a scientific theory suddenly becomes a
scientific fact or Eventually possibly a LAW.
All scientific truth is provisional, subject to modification of new evidence.
the theory of natural selection is imperfect. However, the
fact that a scientific theory cannot yet render an explanation on every
point should not be used as a pretext to thrust an untestable alternative
hypothesis grounded in religion into the science classroom to misrepresent
well-established scientific evidence.
presenting creationism in their classroom is as valid as shamanism be taught
in medical school, or astrology in psychology class.
You can find religions without creationism, but you never find creationism
Report Post »without religion. Get in line with over 30 other religions with a different creation story.
They don’t have evidence either.
Without evidence you have a hypothesis unable to reach theory criteria and unfit for
teaching in science class.
binge_thinker
Posted on July 24, 2011 at 11:32pmMy claim explains the creation of nature and man in a nutshell without abstracts that has been accepted for 6,000 years. God created everything in perfection and in perfect natural equilibrium and put man in charge!
Report Post »Man’s perception of God being the ONLY QUESTION left up to the imagination.
The evolutionists seem to claim that bits and pieces of chance assembled DNA goo bonded that evolved into a living, breathing, thinking, inventive and highly social creature capable of even questioning his beginning and his creator. This chance occurrence is beyond logical belief to rational thinkers.
Cheetosareus
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 12:40pmEvolution is demeaning to me. If scientists want to dabble in the absurd let them use their own money to support their theories…not my taxes.
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 12:52pmFrom goo to you, via the zoo….NOT
Report Post »binge_thinker
Posted on July 24, 2011 at 11:37pmEvolutionary lies and fairy tales exposed.
Report Post »http://www.newgeology.us/presentation32.html
USAF2003
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 12:40pm“conservative group put a call out to pack Thursday’s public hearing with witnesses urging the board to adopt materials that question evolution. But they were outnumbered by witnesses supporting evolution.” – that’s because us conservatives work for a living. We don’t have time to be protesting are lives away. It must be nice for the loony libs to live off my taxes (i.e. welfare, SSI) and run around protesting like idiots everywhere to destroy this great nation.
Report Post »jb.kibs
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 2:22pmexactly.
Report Post »LibertarianForLife
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 12:39pmThe THEORY of gravity would be a better comparison to evolution you fool. There is one hundred thousand times the evidence for it then for your non existent God and miracles.
Cesium
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 12:58pmLibertarians unite! we might be the only ones in this country who think properly and truly understand the genius of many our deist (non christian) founders..
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 12:59pmthere is no evidence for evolution…none in the fossil record, or the lab…no ‘junk dna’ no ‘tree of life’ no ‘vestigial organs’ evolution is just a racist atheist fairy tale…
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:04pm@cesium…ok so you atheists now take responsibility for slavery and the treatment of the native americans in this country….good.
Report Post »TomFerrari
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:06pmRevisionist history will not win your argument. They were not “deists” as you use the word.
Better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
I fully support libertarian principles. However, choosing which theory to teach is NOT “Libertarian”
You do NOT speak for me or for millions of other Libertarian-minded Americans!
Report Post »LibertarianForLife
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:08pmJoe, your kidding right? Perhaps you haven’t heard about your imaginary friend from the old testament? I will let Richard Dawkins destroy you on this one: “The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:13pm@LibertarianForLife Dawkins LOL that gutless atheist who just duckedd a debate with a christian? oh yeah the guy who writes FICTION books…
why don‘t you list the ’lower races’ your racist savior darwin refers to:
“The more civilized so-called Caucasian races have beaten the Turkish hollow in the struggle for existence. Looking to the world at no very distant date, what an endless number of the lower races will have been eliminated by the higher civilised races throughout the world.” (Darwin, Charles R. [English naturalist and founder of the modern theory of evolution], “The Life of Charles Darwin”, [1902], Senate: London, 1995, reprint, p.64).
no wonder Hitler loved the theory of evolution so…..
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:29pm@Liber, this Joe schmuck will keep using the same quotes and snipits over and over and over again on you…he’s got like 5 or 6 of em and he has convinced himself that the science of evolution is racist. He will reference you a fly paper from 2010 Nature that attempted to detect genomic variations in a 35 year laboratory evolution study, that showed they could not achieve lasting sweeping basepair changes in their particular conditions. This is absolute proof to him evolution is false, even though it is obvious after reading the paper that non one of the authors of that paper would concede to what Joe says.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:33pm@cesium…so where is your refutation of that paper, since you’re such a great scientist *smirk*
why haven’t you proved your beloved theory…go evolve something…take a bacteria, and evolve it into a multi-cellular animal…you can even name it…play god…
oh but you can’t…because there is no evoluiton….and you cannot refute anything I have posted…its SO much fun making you look stupid…and so damned easy!!! LOL
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:35pmoh and when are you two brave atheist going to answer my question and list those ‘lower races’ your god and savior darwin refers to??? you atheists are gutless wonders…LOL
Report Post »Locked
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:45pm@Joe
Just curious, do you stone unfaithful women to death? No? Practice polygamy like Abraham/David/Solomon? Still a negative? Ever been cut off from your people for having sex with a women during her menstruation? Wow, 0/3!
Evolution itself is proven. Hereditary biological change does occur, and that’s what evolution is. The issue is when people take it and apply it to social issues… the exact same as in the Bible. The message of the Bible is God‘s love and mankind’s salvation through Jesus. It’s when people take it too far and put out lists of “This is an abomination. No, God didn’t tell us that, but we say it’s true!” that you run into issues. It’s the same way as using Darwinian theory to back up racism – it’s taking a correct idea and applying it in an incredibly foolish way.
God bless!
Report Post »Viet Vet
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:46pmCesium, for the Founders being “deists”, they sure as hell prayed to God alot. I have a book 3 inches thick with quotes of the Founders on religion, Christianity and God. Being a Libertarian means keeping YOURSELF STUPID!! A very few of the Founders like Thomas Jefferson were wary of the church, but even Thomas Jefferson said he was a Christian. They all prayed……to a living God. There is no sense in praying to a dead God (Deism). So shove it up your a$$, Libertarian/anarchist/atheist.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:54pm@locked…just curious…do you cut a hole in unborn babie’s heads and suck out their brians?
or do you leave that for your fellow eugenicist darwinists like Sanger and her ilk?
oh yes to darwiniacs like you evolution is all in all…it makes pygmys small and giraffes tall..PRAISE DARWIN…I bet you think a child having different hair color is an example of evolution…
oh and genetics had nothing to do with evolution…until evolution glommed onto them in the 1940s with the synthesis.
and sorry, but racism is built into evoluiton…..ever see the full title of your bible?
On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life
sorry but according to the theory you love so, different groups (ie races) evolved separately…so one has to be more evolved than the other…as Watson said…
Watson is credited with discovering the double helix along with Maurice Wilkins and Francis Crick in 1962.
In the newspaper interview, he said there was no reason to think that races which had grown up in separate geographical locations should have evolved identically. He went on to say that although he hoped everyone was equal, “people who have to deal with black employees find this not true”.
pure evolutionary racism…
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:56pm@locked…oh and I’m a CHRISTIAN…not a jew…and the law was meant for the theocracy of israel…which no longer exists….why am I not surprised you would use such an idiotic argument?
Report Post »USAMama
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 2:02pmLibertarian (really?),
Have you read the Old Testament or do you make a habit of quoting others and adopting their opinions? I’ve read the Bible, cover to cover, more then once and the god you just described is NOT the God of the Bible. And why do you say the God “of the Old Testament” as though He is somehow different then the God of the New Testament? He is one and the same, He is consistent throughout. I would suggest you actually read the Bible instead of just blindly quoting others who have obviously never read it either.
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 2:03pm@Locked… Not only genetic heredity, but I would love to show joe the recent experiments showing the environmentally induced heritable epigenetic changes that can occur in 2 generations(quite lamarkian!) …but I’m not sure he know was “epigenetics” even is or how this affects phenotype, as he has no higher education in biology yet preaches from a pedestal about his vast knowledge on evolution.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 2:11pm@cesium…you’re too stupid to get it, but epigenics and lamarckianism disproves evolution…
Some water fleas sport a spiny helmet that deters predators; others, with identical DNA sequences, have bare heads. What differs between the two is not their genes but their mothers’ experiences. If mom had a run-in with predators, her offspring have helmets, an effect one wag called “bite the mother, fight the daughter.” If mom lived her life unthreatened, her offspring have no helmets. Same DNA, different traits. Somehow, the experience of the mother, not only her DNA sequences, has been transmitted to her offspring.
That gives strict Darwinians heart palpitations, for it reeks of the discredited theory of Jean-Baptiste Lamarck (1744–1829
http://www.newsweek.com/id/180103
because evoluiton is all about mutations that are heritable…and become fixed in a population….epigenics like this are an example of INTELLIGENT DESIGN…
LOL
Report Post »Viet Vet
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 2:12pmIf you want to see where these nutcase anarchists come from, visit Lewrockwell.com sometime. But not right after dinner.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 2:28pm@cesium…where’d ya go? I thought a ‘PhD candidate’ sooooper genius like you would realize that epigenics and lamarckianism disproved evolution….BWHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH why do you think the darwinists worked so long and hard to discredit lamarck???
oh yeah you‘re a real ’scientist’ alright…..
Report Post »HankScram
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 2:32pmJoel1234,
Believing the theory of evolution is valid has nothing to do with being an atheist. You’ll never understand why. God and his Wife are not making spirit babies to stick in bodies here on earth. You teach that to your kids, but don’t want to teach science that contradicts a six thousand year old earth.
I’m finally sold on private schools.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 2:41pm@hank…uh huh tell that to the evolutionists…
I would say get a clue, but you’re too busy bowing at the altar of your racist savior darwin…
“Darwin knew that accepting his theory required believing in philosophical materialism, the conviction that matter is the stuff of all existence and that all mental and spiritual phenomena are its by-products. Darwinian evolution was not only purposeless but also heartless–a process in which the rigors of nature ruthlessly eliminate the unfit. Suddenly, humanity was reduced to just one more species in a world that cared nothing for us. The great human mind was no more than a mass of evolving neurons. Worst of all, there was no divine plan to guide us.” (Biology: Discovering Life, by Joseph S. Levine & Kenneth R. Miller (1st edition, D.C. Heath and Co., 1992), pg. 152; emphasis in original)
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2006/07/ken_millers_random_and_undirec.html
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 2:43pm@hank..oh and I’m not a mormon…again I would say get a clue, but you darwiniacs have yet to evolve intelligence….
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 2:45pm@joe.. Where do you get these ideas?!?!? epigenetics does not disprove evolution! It does not give us heart palpatations! The newsweek author is an idiot for saying so!! You believe what the media says? really? Epigenetic changes only incur by epigenetic modifiers that are sourced from actual genes!!! You havn’t the faintest understanding of molecular biology. ALL epigenetic modifications are mediated by factors such as, methylases, deacetylases, methyltransefereases, acetyltransferases, phosphorylases, kinases, etc.. that code either histone or the DNA itself.. EACH ONE OF THOSE ENZYMES IS DERIVED FROM A GENE!!!
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 2:50pm@cesium…again you prove your ignorance….changes like that are not from mutations in the dna…which get passed onto the population of a species…those are DESIGNED by an intelligent agency…there is no time for ‘evolution’ with something that happens that quickly…and it does not show up in DNA….
you are just proving evolution is nothing more than faith.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 2:54pmcesium thinks evolution is now lamarckianism LOL
to brain-dead darwinbots like him evolution is all in all…PRAISE DARWIN!!
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 2:55pm@joe, The author of that article is a “journalist” What she said is nonsense! The epigenetic field is extremely exciting to evolutionary biologists.. You seem to have a great deal of trouble placing burdens of evidence in the right place… Lamarck nor Darwin knew remotely what a gene or DNA was! The epigenetic analaogy to Lamarck is just that. an Analogy! You obviously don’t understand Lamarcks original hypothesis as it is still proven wrong! go ahead,, hang your arms from a door the rest of your life and see if your own kid than their kids get longer arms…That is actual Lamarck… You are so dense it is just laughable
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 2:59pm@cesium..what the journalist said is true…and the truth hurts doesn’t it? that ‘analogy’ is true…because lamarck said animals change as a direct response to environmental pressure..he didn’t know the mechanism, but neither did darwin…and lamarck is being proven in epigenics…which disproves darwinism….
but of course nothing can disprove darwinism to the faithful like you…because evolution isn’t science its faith…thanks for illustrating that!
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 3:03pmcesium thinks lamarckianism is evolution…oh this is TOO FUNNY..this is almost as good as his statement that ‘cancer proves evolution’
Darwin’s theory has been supported by a lot of evidence. Lamarck’s Theory of Inheritance of Acquired Characteristics has been disproved
http://necsi.edu/projects/evolution/lamarck/webelieve/lamarck_webelieve.html
now that epigenics has disproven darwinism…watch lots of backpedalling from the faithful like cesium!! LOL
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 3:05pm@ viet vet… People say a lot of things at different points in their life. Jefferson said a lot of things earlier in their life that later became contradicted. How dare you call me an anarchist… I’m a patriot for this country! I never denied that they prayed to god or had faith… But no one had made much scientific advance on evolution in those times..You are ignorant! so so so so ignorant. You ignoramuses keep making this assumption that we are a “christian nation” .. I’m 3rd generation american soldier, My grandfather WWII vet, and no one in my family has ever been part of the jew killing legacy of christians! You are right, our founders promoted stuff like faith and positive aspects of christianity(which you can find in any religion) extracted from your evil slave loving bible. But they were not jesus freaks back then like the infected minds today… We may be a nation of christians, but we are NOT a christian nation… THAT IS TYRANNY!!!
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 6:09pm@ joeyou said; “again you prove your ignorance….changes like that are not from mutations in the dna”
I said before you said that… “You havn’t the faintest understanding of molecular biology. ALL epigenetic modifications are mediated by factors such as, methylases, deacetylases, methyltransefereases, acetyltransferases, phosphorylases, kinases, etc.. that code either histone or the DNA itself.. EACH ONE OF THOSE ENZYMES IS DERIVED FROM A GENE!!!”
did you not read what I said?!? Thanks for trying to teach a PhD candidate the definition of epigentics. I know that epigenetic changes do not influence the base-pair coding of the DNA. You look like a fool. You do know that DNA can be methylated and acetylated directly on cytosine-guanine nucleotides and yes this doesn’t change the base coding. What regulates those modifications are enzymes that come from .. uh oh guess what? GENES… If an environmental stimulus effects one of those enzymes, that can affect the epigenetic code.. this does nothing to deviate from evolution!! You are so out of your league with me it’s ridiculous… If you we‘ren’t such a nutjob I’d send you a link of my most recent publication in Plos1 journal.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 7:05pm@cesium..you can blather on about the details, which you no doubt copied from some scientific journal…you just don’t have the integrity to admit it…..but epigenics has nothing to do with evolution…that case I posted proves INTELLIGENT DESIGN…not evolution…there were no mutations that caused it….sorry no evolution.
doesn’t matter where epigenics comes from what matters is its not evolution…and it disproves evolution….lamarckianism is incompatible with evolution…you’re not nearly as clever as you think you are you piece of trash.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 7:14pm@cesium says ‘If an environmental stimulus effects one of those enzymes, that can affect the epigenetic code.. this does nothing to deviate from evolution!!’
epigenics is NOT evolution…I mean seriously you’re pathetically stupid…evoluiton is point mutations in the DNA…which are passed onto offspring…..
epigenics has nothing to do with mutations…these changes, as the article states, are BUILT IN already…no mutations…no evoluiton….its INTELLIGENT DESIGN
if you had any intelligence you would realize that…but it amusing seeing you make such a fool out of yourself PhD candidate….BWAHAHHAHAHAH my ass.
Report Post »HankScram
Posted on July 24, 2011 at 2:23amJoe1234,
You’re obviously an intelligent chap. I’m curious, how did man arrive at his present state?
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on July 24, 2011 at 5:23pm@joe… you‘re look’n worse and worse bro.. I didn’t copy anything about epigentic regulation from a journal.. I told you straight up as a molecular biologist a very basic mechanism of how epigentic regulation works… I never said epigenetics is evolution.. You said it disproves evolution. For you or any other non-trained journalist to make such a statement is preposterous… epigentic regulation is still subject to genetic mutation. If you mutate an epigenetic regulator, you will affect the epigentic coding.. I’ve read many publications on the matter.. You can find for youself, I am not on the blaze to list publications… You can find many publications on epigentic regulators yourself… you can also find many peer reviewed publications on the evolution of epigentic regulators…
Report Post »StevenL1955
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 12:36pmI asked a college professor once, if we came from Comet soup, and a cell formed, how did the cell form a male and female one at the same time. He shook his head and at least honestly, “I don;t know, if I did, Id be rich” LOL
Report Post »Cheetosareus
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 12:47pmGood question. Some lower animals are capable of changing their sex as the need arises or maybe as the opportunity presents itself. Maybe that’s an argument for evolution and explains gays.
Report Post »kdog
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 12:34pmIts funny when I look at the picture of man evolving from a monkey, I only see half of a picture…What did the monkey evolve from????????
Report Post »ginger100
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 12:49pmfrom a chicken which came from a dinosaur which came from a fish in the fredflintstonezoic period
Report Post »Locked
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:48pmIt’s actually an incorrect (yet incredibly popular) picture when it comes to evolutionary theory. Man didn’t evolve from apes, and anyone who has studied evolution in passing in the last several decades knows that.
Doesn’t stop people from using it as a nice strawman argument, though.
Report Post »MGB-CPA
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 12:34pmCan we persistantly compromise with evil and evil doers?
http://www.mgb-cpa.com
Report Post »Viet Vet
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 2:23pm“The conservative wing in 2009 had pushed through controversial standards that called for schools to scrutinize “all sides” of scientific theory.”
And why would this be ‘controversial’??? Looks like the conservatives are not the narrow-minded ones in this debate.
Report Post »Greenwood
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 12:33pmThe conservative wing in 2009 had pushed through controversial standards that called for schools to scrutinize “all sides” of scientific theory.
Why wouldn’t you scrutinize any theory? Like Glenn says question with Boldness
Report Post »Viet Vet
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 3:03pmC’mon BLAZE, let‘s get this post where it’s suppose to be.
“The conservative wing in 2009 had pushed through controversial standards that called for schools to scrutinize “all sides” of scientific theory.”
And why would this be ‘controversial’??? Looks like the conservatives are not the narrow-minded ones in this debate.
Report Post »kdog
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 12:33pmIts funny, when you look at the picture of man evolving from a monkey, I only see half of the picture…..what did the monkey evolve from….
Report Post »TelepromoterNChief
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 12:48pmNancy Grace
Report Post »WhiteFang
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 5:08pmLook, everywhere and you see evidence of design and creation. Even the things man designed and creates are evidence of this. This is so logical, it is hard for me to imagine a person questioning this subject.
As simple as a paper clip is, we understand someone had to design it and them make it. Even young children comes to the proper conclusion about this, why can’t a “scientist” understand this simple truth.
Nothing comes about by chance, everything was created. The question everyone needs to face is; Who is the Creator?
Report Post »19RANDY59
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 12:32pmIf we came from monkeys, why are there still monkeys? They can believe what they want, just don’t teach it in school. Only factual information should be taught in public schools. Not opinions.
Report Post »atombomb
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 4:13pmIf god created us from dust, why is there still dust? Come on. A fifth grader could figure this out.
Report Post »Cheetosareus
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 12:32pmThe theory of evolution is demeaning to humankind.
Report Post »Christabel
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 12:31pmDoes anyone know what qualifications are needed to write about intelligent design or who is considered a knowledgeable author on the subject? Everyone of my searches comes up with half-hearted websites and ebooks.
Report Post »I’d really like to know what kind of courses they want. The local private school here has their own, but it’s based on Christian theology (nothing wrong with that) but I don’t see how any of this could translate into the public classroom.
Based “intelligent design” I’ve seen is through American Literature which I love. We can always learn a lot even in an abstract sense.
Cesium
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 12:30pmA great win in the fight against religious neurosis! You want to teach ID? Teach it in church! Science class is for science only! end of story
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 12:36pmOk, I believe YOU evolved from an ape. The jury is still out on everyone else.
Report Post »MGB-CPA
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 12:40pmEvil neurosis is not religious,it is demonic. Believers love you, feel sorry for you, and prey for you.
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 12:44pmMuch obliged MGB… Don’t feel sorry for me, that sounds depressing for you.
Report Post »abbygirl1994
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 12:44pmThats the way we got it, in church we learned that God created man, then we went to school and heard that we came from monkey’s. Thankfully the class at church won.. how many kids are totally confused though?? Or are never taught the church version? I have always said, if we came from monkey‘s why are there still monkey’s and why have they never continured to evolve??? Why?? Because it never happened, we were created by God, end of story!
Report Post »nysparkie
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 12:50pmMake your proof of Darwinism. Show me these so called missing links. Other than some lines of creatures went extinct, I want to see visible concrete proof that shows that “LUCY” the 3.2-million-year-old ape “Lucy” was the first Australopithecus afarensis skeleton ever found, though her remains are only about 40 percent complete. Discovered in 1974 by paleontologist Donald C. Johanson in Hadar, Ethiopia. What did “LUCY” become? Apparently she didn‘t become anything because they can’t find her “NEXT JUMP” in evolution. The missing, missing link. Take it on faith I suppose. I’d much rather take the word of my Lord, God. If you don’t mind.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 12:58pmgreat win for the athiests…because thats all evolution is….a racist atheist fairy tale.
Report Post »fatpatriot
Posted on July 24, 2011 at 7:44amcesium
Report Post »I have read with great interest your comments and arguments here with @joe1234 and I have come to the conclusion that even though you MAY be a phd candidate and you MAY possess some informtion superior to others you are nonetheless a narcissist. You can never be wrong. You can never accept anyone else’s information if it even remotely discounts your version of the truth.
At the link is a list of symptoms you may find helpful. These are from the Mayo Clinic a real scientific community.
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/narcissistic-personality-disorder/DS00652/DSECTION=symptoms
Cesium
Posted on July 24, 2011 at 4:14pm@fat Are you serious??!?!? I’m the narcissist? If you’ve have read other comments you would see that I am not stating an opinion here…I never said ANYWHERE we have shown the proof of mans evolution! I have shown examples of mechanisms that fall in perfect line with evolutionary hypotheses !!! I have said in the past, even if intelligent design exists, evolution is still a fact!! This is not my narcissistic opinion, just because you see me butting heads on here… Yet, Joe1234, claims he KNOWS evolution is false, he KNOWS the bible is true… I don’t claim to KNOW the bible is true.. It seems like I have an answer for everything because Its so easy to counter anything Joe1234 claims since he is the one who KNOWS. He has decided I or anyone else who reveres Darwin is a racist!! .As a jew I could come at him with the argument that christianity was created under anti-semitic pretenses. but the truth is no one actually KNOWS what happened. He is so full of himself he just knows the end all be all about god and creation.. I do not claim such things.. I am agnostic on the issues of life’s origin or the supernatural. you‘ll probably suggest since i’m defending myself it is a narcissistic trait.. How’s the view from your high horse?
Report Post »Cheetosareus
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 12:29pmScientists might want to re-think their support for the theory that man descended from apes. I remember seeing material put out by a white supremist group or the neo-Nazis that compared negroid anatomy to apes. They stole the study from some scientific paper and used it to demean the ***** race…brow ridges, thick skulls, longer limbs. I for one don’t believe it for a minute and I would not want my tax money to be used in that way. If scientists want to dabble in the absurd…let them use their own money.
Report Post »KEL
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 12:28pmEvolution is not science, it’s a theory with no missing links for evidence.
Report Post »drago
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 12:28pmSure wish these liberal, california fruits, and damn yankees would move back to where they came from……….
Report Post »cookcountypatriot
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 12:34pmi agree….but its just the beginning,,these people are insane!
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 12:27pmIf man “evolved” from apes, why are there still apes? It’s nothing more than an unproven theory, kind of like global warming. The arguemnet they want to use for both is, you can’t argue with science. The climate change people want to compare G.W. doubters to flat Earthers, I wish someone would remind them that at one time, scientists were behind the “fact” that the Earth was flat.
Report Post »NHwinter
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 12:48pmI love the way liberals resort to name calling. Lowest form of insult.
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 12:50pm“.. scientists were behind the “fact” that the Earth was flat.” So scientist back then had the means to show evidence the earth wasn’t flat opposed to say scientists now who have the power to track single nucleotide polymorphisms within ortholouges? ie: analogous to scientists in the past that would have satellites with cameras? You really need to get a legitimate science education, you sound really really stupid.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 12:56pm@cesium..look who is back…the nut-case who thinks cancer proves evolution is true….have you taken off the tin-foil and gotten back on you meds??
Report Post »nysparkie
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 12:56pmCesium says “Before you speak, read about the theory of evolution” Theory of? Now whom is asking the world to believe in a THEORY? I notice these writings by the enlightened scientists are all theories. None has published, it appears, a paper of fact. Why? They can’t prove one D A M N thing.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 12:57pm@cesium…still waiting for you to list the ‘lower races’ your racist savior darwin is talking about:
“The more civilized so-called Caucasian races have beaten the Turkish hollow in the struggle for existence. Looking to the world at no very distant date, what an endless number of the lower races will have been eliminated by the higher civilised races throughout the world.” (Darwin, Charles R. [English naturalist and founder of the modern theory of evolution], “The Life of Charles Darwin”, [1902], Senate: London, 1995, reprint, p.64).
evolution is racist as hell, no surprise you support it.
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:06pm@joe… You care about race fool… evolution does not! Every race’s mitochondrial genome traces back to African decent! All evolutionary biologist know this! This why you lose your argument! The white variation came later in human history! Every race and person on this planet is more closely related to all the indigenous tribes of Africa then the tribes are to themselves. We are all linked to african ancestry so stop making yourself look like a complete fool!
Report Post »http://web.mit.edu/racescience/in_media/what_dna_says_about_human/index.html
joe1234
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:08pm@cesium..you are a complete and utter jackass….don’t have the guts to answer the question…as far as ‘evolutionary racism’ look no farther than Watson…co-discoverer of DNA…
Watson is credited with discovering the double helix along with Maurice Wilkins and Francis Crick in 1962.
In the newspaper interview, he said there was no reason to think that races which had grown up in separate geographical locations should have evolved identically. He went on to say that although he hoped everyone was equal, “people who have to deal with black employees find this not true”.
pure evolutionary racism…
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:10pmeven gould admits the truth…
“Biological arguments for racism may have been common before 1859, but they increased by orders of magnitude following the acceptance of evolutionary theory.” Stephen Jay Gould,
1.Stephen Jay Gould, Ontogeny and Phylogeny (Cambridge, Mass: Harvard University Press, 1977), p. 127.
and darwin’s theory inspired Hitler…
A direct line runs from Darwin, through the founder of the eugenics movement-Darwin’s cousin, Francis Galton-to the extermination camps of Nazi Europe.” (Brookes, Martin.,”Ripe old age,“ Review of ”Of Flies, Mice and Men,” by Francois Jacob, Harvard University Press, 1999. New Scientist, Vol. 161, No. 2171, 30 January 1999, p.41).
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Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:15pmCesium
Report Post »What a bunch of bull….all this fine, THEORY of evolution is based upon a “common ancestor”, but you can’t find one, and don’t really know what “it” is!!!!! Man has NOT evolved, if anything we have devolved. Picture with monkey should be facing the other way!! Acceptance of the THEORY of evolution just proves the projection is downhill!
Cesium
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:24pm@ joe… why do you keep laying down the same quotes over and over and over and over again. It makes your arguments look so damn weak.. That is all you can find on the matter? Your argument is something said by Watson? With the extreme illumination in learning that we are all decedents from African ancestors, racism has been dealt a serious blow due to evolutionary sciences! Nazi plight is hell bent on the erroneous assumptions(like what you do) that white blood lineages are pure and mandated by god. Hitler was not an atheist, he was a christian! Christianity was historically lethal to jewish people. It’s insulting to me for you to say you would suggest evolution is racist when so many jews like myself are biologists in this world who fully agree with the evidence for evolution. I never lived my life feeling anything other than a minority, who wants to be lynched to this day by plenty of bible thumping southerners. As a child one of my best friends was from Nigeria and he is now a radiologist and we are still great friends. All I did as kid was play basketball with all the brothas,(thus I could school you in a breath) 90% of the music I ever listened to was hip hop, yet here I am, a Jewish molecular biologist.. Yep I’m just a huge racist! All those fights i got in when i was a kid because I was a jew just made me so racist! yep.. you got me pegged.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:29pm@cesium…your own posts show you’re too stupid to understand the theory you slavishly follow. LOL according to evoluiton we all descended from a common ancestor…so??? as Watson’s quote makes clear, different groups (ie races) evolve in isolation…and according to evolution…one has to be more ‘evolved’ than the other….its why the full title of your bible is:
was On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life
struggle…where else have I heard that word in the title of a book…oh yeah Mein Kamp…my struggle….
oh and here’s the textbook for the scopes monkey trial..
George William Hunter’s A Civic Biology: Presented in Problems (1914) page 196
At the present time there exist upon the earth five races or varieties of man, each very different from the other in instincts, social customs, and, to an extent, in structure. These are the Ethiopian or ***** type, originating in Africa; the Malay or brown race, from the islands of the Pacific; the American Indian; the Mongolian or yellow race, including the natives of China, Japan, and the Eskimos; and finally, the highest type of all, the Caucasians, represented by the civilized white inhabitants of Europe and America.
I’ll keep using the quotes because you have no answers for them…LOL
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:32pm@cesium…no surprise you‘d launch into a litany of your black ’friends’ first thing a racist does…how does feel to support the theory behind the holocaust? all your BS about hitler being a christian is just laughable…as Sir Arthur keith says…
‘The German Führer, as I have consistently maintained, is an evolutionist; he has consciously sought to make the practice of Germany conform to the theory of evolution.’
Reference
Keith, A., Evolution and Ethics, Putnam, NY, USA, p. 230, 1947.
truth hurts.
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 2:34pm@joe.you are totally laughable! A serial killer takes a knife and kills someone with it, thus all knives are evil? This is your logic.you get that right? Hitler uses his purely false understanding of evolution (like you) and uses it for evil, thus evolution is evil. Hitler did not know Darwin! My doctorate research depends on my basic understanding of evolutionary processes. I don’t care what an old codger like Watson said and if you paid attention he was quite remiss about it. You must think he’s the smartest scientist on the planet since he was one of the few who solved the structure of DNA. That’s your argument against evolution? ’cause a single eccentric old scientist who solved the chemical structure of DNA said something of his opinion, not something he studied?
Report Post »And then you’re going to first call me racist, then say I’m racist cause I try to defend myself in your claims.. so in the end, Im just a racist…Even if in my one mind I know I’m not a racist, I’m still a racists. yea that makes a lot of sense.Your world view and knowledge of history is severely filtered for your own bias.
“My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter..How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison”
joe1234
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 2:37pm@cesium….man talk about invincible ignorance…
EVOLUTIONISTS like SIR arthur keith thought hitler was an evolutionist…
your slavish attempts to justify your racist theory are just laughable.
what watson said was from EVOLUTION…if you really understood your own theory you say you love so, you’d realize watson was spouting EVOLUTION..
damn you’re dumb.
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 3:45pm@joe… I’m so in awe of you,.. You are THE undisputed expert in Darwin and Evolution. It must be true. You have proved that anything in this world that could be used for evil, is thus evil despite it’s inanimate nature. I guess the atom is just pure evil too even though everything we know about it is theory right? Quantum theories (still unproven) were just an idea created by Einstein in an elaborate scheme to fund atheist scientists like Einstein to smash atoms in order to eradicate god… Does this mean you don’t believe we are made up of atoms? You are exactly the type of religious nut who would have argued against Neils Bohr‘s atomic theories in the early 1900’s and try to explain away the prospects that us humans could actually be made up of these things.. oh whoops but, we can’t actually prove everything about atoms… There’s too many missing links because we only have very limited evidence on quantum composition so it must be a racist atheist scheme.. Why don’t you go take your pitch fork and shove it. So many of your kind, the science deniers (or as Dawkins so accurately quips “history deniers”), have always and still live your lives in the basket of scientific discovery as complete hypocrites. If not 2011, you’d be doing this in 1500.. you’re a copied virus.
Report Post »CCS
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 4:11pm@Gonzo – A theory is not some immutable law of the universe; it is accepted by the scientific community as being as close to the truth as modern science can ascertain. As science progresses (One of the few sorts of “progress” I am an enthusiastic backer of), theories will be tuned and modified based on new evidence and experimental data that is also subject to the same scrutiny of peer-review. The “Theory of Gravity” is also a legitimate scientific theory. When a scientific concept rises to the level of a “theory”, there isn’t much room to argue with it and those arguments will generally only arise from well-intentioned but uneducated, non-scientists intent on mixing emotion and/or religion and/or politics with science. Science is no place for any of these things. That’s what makes this news so good: emotion, religion and politics have been kept out of my grandkids school books.
Report Post »CCS
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 4:12pm@Cesium – You are factually correct but, this Catholic Conservative Scientist takes issue with your categorization of those of us who accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior. The problem is not the fact that most or all of your critics here are Christians; it’s the fact that they lack the education and/or understanding to participate in a discussion on scientific matters beyond the third grade level.
Report Post »CCS
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 4:13pm@Joe – Just because Darwin and Watson turned out to be a racist doesn’t make the science wrong. Everything you quoted from these racists are opinions and conjecture by flawed men. Your claims of racism are just a distraction from the facts. Do you have any scientific evidence that disproves the fully vetted modern scientific theory of evolution?
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 6:26pm@NYSparkie… oi..(shaking head)You‘re another one who doesn’t know the definition of theory?! Theory comes from empirical evidence. In other words, theory is derived by a collection of “facts” It is a fact that there are homologous genes between species.. It’s a fact that genetic changes are heritable… there are 1000′s of other facts that build and build and build into creating theory. Here’s another one to show that this kind of thing CAN occur: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._coli_long-term_evolution_experiment
Report Post »there’s a massive list of evidence that builds the evolutionary “theory”
Cesium
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 6:58pm@CCS Yes, I’ve tried to explain this point about Watson to Joe but he is very very dense… concerning your savior belief..The christian based religions bastardized gods commandments from the original hebrew…(along with many other commandments) God explains exactly who will be the messiah and specifically they will not be of divine origin.(like jesus)
http://www.jewfaq.org/mashiach.htm
It would behoove you to read “Constatines Sword” by James Carroll. a former catholic priest.
I am always dubious of the mind of any scientist who is capable of blindly accepting mythological stories. The truth is WE DON’T KNOW happened back then but no one wants to acknowledge that truth. It is unlikely jesus walked on water, was an unmarried rabbi, or was conceived by immaculate conception.. If you believe that as a truth, how can I trust in your critical thinking ability as scientist? You will always be looking for the “skyhooks” in your research.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 6:59pm@ccs…you haven‘t read what I’ve posted very well have you now? the racism that watson expressed comes from the theory of evolution….some races are more ‘evolved’ than others…its why darwin talked about ‘lower races’
get a clue.
as far as the science…what does show evolution? its not in the fossil record, not in the lab…no junk dna, no vestigial organs…post your proof put up or shut up…
list the mutations that led to the eye…oh thats right you can’t….
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 7:01pm@cesium…again you prove yourself too stupid for words…still think cancer proves evolution?? you pathetic moron.
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 7:19pm@joe, you are such laymen regard to the philosophy of science… There is no such thing as scientific proof of anything… Proof is only shown in mathematics… What is your intent? to try and convince me and others that the evidence that exists in favor of evolution is a trick? In your world what, this magical sky power is the answer to everything? for what reason? In your religion this magical sky god would burn anyone who doesn’t accept jesus as their savior? or burn anyone who doesn’t worship? That doesn’t sound very nice to me… It sounds very evil to me. You must be scared. You assert stuff like this is fact where’s I assert evolution is a fact? who sounds more ludicrous? You do! You probably hope that after death I will be proved wrong and your ego will inflate don’t you? sounds pretty evil to me…
“I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the kind that we experience in ourselves. Neither can I nor would I want to conceive of an individual that survives his physical death; let feeble souls, from fear or absurd egoism, cherish such thoughts.” Albert Einstein
He might be burning in hell but you sure have a great time reaping the benefits of his discoveries in this modern world don’t you? You’re a typical christian hypocrite
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 7:25pm@cesium…hey moron you’re the fool that said cancer PROVES evoluiton…now you’re trying to weasel out of it…LOL you’re such a liar…don’t have the guts to stand up for your previous lies…
my intent is to get some laughs by making a self-important pompous ass like you look like a fool…and you don’t really need my help…but I sure enjoy making you look stupid.
I don‘t expect to change an atheist wacko’s mind…because evoluiton is not falsifiable to people like you…ITS FAITH NOT SCIENCE….and you prove it.
As far as heaven and hell you atheists SURE ARE SCARED OF HELL aren’t ya now?? you get all upset by something you ‘say’ you don’t believe in…LOL
you should be upset…cause deep down you know…lets say your son saved someone on 9/11 and at their funeral they come and spit in your face….what would you do??
oh and hell is far worse than you can imagine…..
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 7:28pm@cesium…oh and you haven’t shown ANY EVIDENCE that evolution exists…ZERO ZIP NADA…
show us all your amazing EVIDENCE…shazam gomer.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 7:29pmoops…at HIS funeral (your son’s) the person he saved on 9/11 came and spit in your face…sorry
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 7:42pm@ joe,wha? you are totally certifiable man!. All this talk about proof and here you say Hell exists? I mean, honestly? You’re going to accept that idea as a fact and discredit evolution? Why wasn’t I taught about a place called hell.? Oh that‘s right I’m jewish. We don’t base our lives on our deaths like you christians and muslims do. both of you slaughtered jews. You guys liiiivvve for your deaths!!! You love afterlife talk! We jews don’t claim to know anything about the afterlife and all that is important to us is life itself. Lets change subject, instead of showing evidence for or against evolution, show me the evidence of this christian hell you’re talking about. We jews don‘t have that so I’m not sure how you guys know about it or why it would apply to non christians. … but please enlighten me with your proof of hell, satan, demons, and eternal fire that you so hope me to go to. I mean even if I did believe in god I would believe as a Jew. How come we don’t have enternal damnation? it’s not fair… btw.. when’s the last time a jew ever killed their children or parents because of the devil? uhh never.. only christians do that.. your brains are more washed than you can understand… but please show me this hell you think exists.. waiting for even the smallest bit of evidence you can send me… I’m mean common i can even give you a tiny arguable point of evidence for evolution…
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 9:24pm@loser…sure its simple..hell exists because the bible says it does…and the bible has been proven over and over and over and over again to be true….deal with it.
I see you lump christians with muslims …no surprise coming from a typical uneducated racist darwiniac piece of trash
oh and I lose nothing if you are right…if I am right, you lose everything…and have an eternity to dwell on it…..
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 9:24pmoh and no surprise you don’t have any proof of evolution…LOL loser.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 9:28pmoh and you believe in evolution without any proof…so why not hell? it sure bothers the HELL out of you doesn’t it now?? LOL
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 9:29pm@cesium…as far as proof of devils…you may want to check the mirror…you sure sound posessed…get some professional help…from an exorcist…
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 9:54pm@cesium…you see I don’t need to prove hell..because its a matter of faith…of course you have no evidence for or against it, yet you don’t believe it…and you don’t have any evidence for evolution and a great deal against it…and yet you believe it….the logical contradictions of the atheist mind are stunning…
apparently you can’t tell the difference between science and faith…no surprise, since your ‘science’ is your faith….
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on July 24, 2011 at 1:00am@joe…you said.. So after all those web snipits you found to support your theory that evolution is false, Your only response to prove that hell is real is to say “sure its simple..hell exists because the bible says it does…and the bible has been proven over and over and over and over again to be true….deal with it.” Now that’s the argument of a critical thinker!!!
Report Post »oh wait,, you’re talking about the peer reviewed paper showing the physics of “water walking” …and “sea splitting” and “talking snakes”, yep lots of proof on that… but no, us scientists are the fools!
Christianity brought in a whole new era of anti-semitism and death for my people! So thanks for that! Talk about racist you history denying ******! Christianity has a beautiful history of killing jews! You’re the ******* racists!!! You do realize your savior never told anyone to “stop being jewish” or abandon God’s comandments! You probably eat milk with meat and pork. Did jesus ever say abandon gods commandments and stop being kosher? Did jesus ever tell his disciples to stop keeping the passover as god commanded? Did jesus say stop keeping yom kippur and rosh hashanna holy as god commanded? No but all you sinner christians keep doing it for over 2000 years!! you keep defying gods commandments.. what do you think will happen? By your logic you’re in big trouble son!!!! Eat your pork and cheeseburgers enjoy!!! pray to your idol on a roman death machine. god loves when you christians def
Cesium
Posted on July 24, 2011 at 1:12am@joe, . (The origins of Christian anti-semitism) http://www.sandrawilliams.org/ANTI/anti-semitism.html
Learn all about history and the origins of your idiotic jew hating faith you racist SOB.
If you’re gonna come at me with your asinine evolution as racism argument, I can show you just as much evidence regarding the creation of christianity as a means to destroy jewish people.
He‘res another book you can read which you won’t but you can get a good synopisis on amazon.. It’s written by a catholic priest about the disgusting history of christianity and anti-semitism…
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You can read all about your jew hating racist A-hole lineage… two can play at this game!!!
TelepromoterNChief
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 12:22pmCharlton Heston’s wet dream.
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