US Naval Officers Removed From Ship Over Sex, Alcohol Scandal Allegations
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NORFOLK, Va. (AP/The Blaze) – The U.S. Navy has fired a destroyer commander and a top aide and removed eight sailors from their ship in the Mediterranean after misbehavior by the crew in overseas ports that included drunk and disorderly conduct.
The U.S. 6th Fleet said Cmdr. Nathan Borchers was relieved from the USS Stout on Tuesday. Borchers had taken command of the Norfolk-based ship in December.
Commanding Officer Nathan Borchers (left) and Command Master Chief Susan Bruce-Ross
The Navy said it had lost confidence in Borchers’ ability to address what it called a pattern of unprofessional behavior by his crew that included fraternization, orders violations and disregard for naval standards.
“We hold our leaders to a high standard. Our nation expects no less and our sailors deserve no less,” Vice. Adm. Harry B. Harris Jr., commander of the U.S. 6th Fleet based in Naples, Italy, said in a statement.
The port calls involved liberty leave for the sailors in Haifa in Israel, in Palermo and Augusta Bay in Sicily, Italy, and Souda Bay in the Greek Island of Crete, said Lt. Nate Curtis, a fleet spokesman.
The Navy did not identify what misbehavior may have occurred in a specific port. None of the misbehavior led to complaints by host nations, Curtis said.
Curtis declined to specify which orders involving port call were violated, but indicated one possibility was ignoring orders to go out with a “liberty buddy” for safety and security reasons, and instead going out alone.
The USS Stout’s problems are part of a recent string of command changes in the Navy because of misbehavior. In January, the Navy relieved the commander of the carrier USS Enterprise after raunchy videos were made public that he had showed thousands of sailors aboard the ship in 2006 and 2007.
Last month, the command master chief of the USS Ashland was relieved from duty because of an investigation that he had inappropriately touched another sailor.
The Navy said an investigation into allegations of crew misconduct on the USS Stout found there was a substandard command climate on board.
U.S.S. Stout (Image: US Navy)
The Navy also removed Master Chief Susan Bruce-Ross, the highest ranking enlisted sailor aboard the ship.
Borchers, Bruce-Ross and the other unidentified sailors were being reassigned to jobs in Norfolk. One sailor is undergoing an independent review to determine whether the Navy will proceed with a court martial, said Lt. Cmdr. Bill Urban, spokesman for Naval Surface Force Atlantic.
The Navy said Cmdr. Sylvester Steele was scheduled to board a plane Wednesday to begin preparations to command the Stout. Steele was most recently the executive officer of the destroyer USS Ramage.
Urban said Steele was chosen for “his experience, stellar record and readiness to assume command.”
Bruce-Ross will be replaced by Command Master Chief Anthony Cole, who most recently served at Naval Surface Force Atlantic headquarters in Norfolk.
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Comments (64)
Rightsofman
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 1:11pmHow many US SAILORS have been coming home PREGNANT after a deployment? Now they’ve put WOMEN IN SUBS!!! NOT the Navy I served in! ITs so crazy anymore. (sigh)
Report Post »travelingtrav
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 12:56pmI am a retired Chief. There is more to this story than what has been put on the street. You just do not remove this mass amount of leadership on a ship for ‘liberty incidents’ or other minor things. I suspect that the behavior of the Chief’s Mess was a little out of control. That the CMC was part of it or if anything attempted to turn a blind eye to things. The CO, especially on a small boy was eithier out of touch with the happenings inside the Mess, or the CMC was a willing particiapant in trying to keep it out of the spot light. Regardless of the sex of the leadership, there are several important facts that have to happen on board a ship: First and foremost is good order and discipline. Navy Chiefs Lead, they do not follow. In the case of this ship, the CMC should have been aware of the nature of the Chiefs she oversaw, and immediately should have corrected instead of corraled the behaviour. The CO whom rellies heavily on the CMC should have had a fair assesment to the Chiefs Mess from the CMC, and, corrected the behaviour vice corral it. The biggest jeapordy we have as a military is to allow leadership to establish bad behaviour as an example to the rest of the crew to follow. Again, this major cleaning was not due to just a port visit, but had to have been a cummulation of a lot of activity. USN ret
Report Post »deadbeatjoe
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 11:24amThe Navy eats its own. This stuff is typical today.
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rabblechat
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 8:33amWhen I was in the Marine corps Drunk and disorderly was the order of the day for port calls! Work hard and play hard! Do these politicians really expect our warriors on liberty after being in a combat zone to just drink coca-cola and go sight seeing? Get real! These are young men and women, most of them probably no older than 22. If they really want to end this kind of behavior then they need to quit making port calls.
Folks this is yet another example of our military being weakened from with in. This kind of PC crap is the reason I decided to not make a career out of the military.
Our military is not the place for political correctness experiments. I bet the Generals in China and Russia are laughing thier butts off at us today.
http://www.rabblechat.com
Report Post »Schteveo
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 8:17amI was in the Navy in the late 70‘s and early 80’s. There were no women on combat ships, but some on support ships. Here’s what I learned.
Those support ships with female enlisteds were like friggin’ HS!!! All the guys were walking around puffing their chests out whenever one of the females were present. ZERO work gets done when guys are trying to impress the chicks. (is it any differtent where you work?) They took a berthing compartment that held 80 (EIGHTY) male sailors, tore out the fittings and rebuilt it for 40 (FORTY) female sailors!! That’s not a story I heard, it’s what I lived my last year in Norfolk!!
(for those not in the squid loop, on a ship there are standards for “X” number of cubic feet of living space per enlisted sailor…the 40 females vs 80 males in the same space, clearly violated that rule…we couldn’t get new mattresses or pillows, they got new EVERYTHING…that seems like a fine system for group cohesion)
My son is now in the Navy, he’s a lifer dog, looking at retirement in less about 3 years. He says the Navy is so PCized toward the females that it‘s some days it’s hard to get work done. Over his 16 plus years it’s gotten to the point that some old timers are saying that if women are to remain on combat ships, what they really need is MALE crews and FEMALE crews. To see if women CAN do the job, split them up.
He also says NO ONE above a E-6 can make a &^%$ing decision and stick with it!! He’s gone from bird farms, to shore, to a cruiser, to shore, to a gator freighter. He’s changed his rate once. So he’s seen a little bit of most parts of the Navy. The word he uses, FUBAR! You can‘t run the military like a McD’s, it’s…just…not…the…same!.
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Personally, and I know this won’t be popular but, WOMEN HAVE NO BUSINESS IN THE MILITARY IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!
The military’s job is to kill people and break things. (and we in the military all knew that before Limbaugh ever said it exactly that way) It’s just that simple. The military is the tip of the spear that protects us. I know few women who are up to or willing to shoot a home intruder. They won’t use a stun gun or taser to protect themselves, and when polled, they openly SAY they can’t do it. Given that, HOW can they do the job that the military has before them? Killing people with a cruise missile, torpedo, depth charge or deck gun, isn’t as “impersonal” as life long civilians think. Taking a life sticks with you. Hell just KNOWING you can take a life out there sticks with you.
Ladies, are YOU up to it? Do you think your DAUGHTER is?
Let me add this so I don’t sound like an opinionated old fart with old ideas. I am NOT against gay men in the military. There were gay men and women when I was active duty and there still are gay men in the military. (they will lie to get in and do the job believe it or not) Nine times out of ten, the people in their know who is and who is not gay. Most times they don’t care.
In my experience, most guys would rather be in the military with a gay guy who would DO HIS JOB. than some hetero sh*tbird who WOULD NOT! I don’t remember being stationed anywhere that there were not gay guys. Even in boot camp. (we had a flamer with us…he finished boot, survived ET “A” School and went to the fleet, we had 11 straight guys fall out of boot camp alone for various reasons, MOST FOR PHYSICAL limitations)
Just one old sailors opinions and experiences. That and $3 will get you a San Miguel and some lumpia in Olongapo City!!
Carry on.
Report Post »rabblechat
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 8:46amI’ll second what your son says, I was on a gator freighter doing a WESTPAC the first time female sailors were stationed on combat ships. As you pointed out, you stuff a 1,000 or so young men into tight quarters with a hundred or so young females and you are guaranteed trouble. I know of 4 guys out of my company alone that got NJP’d for fraternizing with the female sailors… That dead-ended the careers of those Marines. Not to mention what it did to our unit cohesion when you have half a dozen guys fighting over the same girl. At least one of those females got flown out of the gulf because she was pregnant.
It is absolutely shameful what has happened to our military in the last 15 years.
I really worry about our war fighting ability if we had to engage in a conventional war with a china or a Russia.
http://www.rabblechat.com
Report Post »dpselfe
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 6:46amProof that men and women need to remain separate in the US Navy.
Report Post »millefiore
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 1:45amWhere is the leadership in the Navy? 2 Helicopter pilots doing stunts up at Lake Tahoe costing taxpayers millions of dollars so they could get a good photo op to put on Face Book and now our sailors behaving like they are on spring break. On second thought it might be a good recruiting tool
Report Post »join the Navy and live the life of college spring break.
I am sure they are all under tremendous stress. Pray for our military men and women. Thank U for your service.
JUSTANOTHEROPINION
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 1:38amI read all of these coments and I don’t think antbody is getting what is actually going on here and in other instances. Think about it, why is the government all of a suden ready to release any thing and everything that might be even remotely imbaracing to uor country. Remember when Obama (the socialist one) went around the world apoligizing for our country.Can you not understand what these comunistic, marxist, liberal, socialistical, progressives are do to you and me and our great country? They will not be satisfied until they have brought our great country to it’s knees! Impeach this trader before it is too late!!!
Report Post »pwatkins
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 12:44amMaybe someone in the WH made this story sound worse than it is to get whom they want on this ship, like more progressive thinking officers. I don’t believe much that is done while this administration is in charge and question everything that happens. Before I make my judgement on those removed from the ship I would like to hear their side.
Report Post »ares338
Posted on March 2, 2011 at 11:17pmI thought that was what sailors were supposed to do.
Report Post »Ponyexpress
Posted on March 2, 2011 at 11:04pmDrinking and screwing around in the Navy? Impossible.!
Report Post »dealer@678
Posted on March 2, 2011 at 10:41pmI was in the Navy and Alcohol , Sex stories kept us going
Report Post »Schteveo
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 8:28amThat’s true dude, but WE had decent leadership. Now they do NOT!!! It’s one thing for junior enlisted pukes to act out.
It’s something else when the SENIOR enlisteds and OFFICERS act like that, sh*t is wrong all over.
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on March 2, 2011 at 10:35pmOh boy look out FB! Here comes the idiotic Facebook support page for Borchers and Bruce-Ross. I am not surprised to hear this on the heels of the Enterprise scandal…this stuff has been going on for years and is getting worse. It is very hard to run a Navy at sea with mixed crews. It is a very confusing environment in which mainly the males must control themselves while the females get passes on flirtatious behavior and engage in sexual politics to move up..not all, but enough to make things difficult in any sea going unit. A junior sailor consented to what amounted to a gang bang off duty but could not understand why the next day nobody had any respect for her. Another junior sailor was caught doing two guys in a chain locker. Sex parties in port with mixed ranks (filmed) in Hong Kong a few years ago..this goes on and on. It is disruptive to the crewmembers who actually believe in holding themselves to a higher standard and by the time they are into the cruise midway, the lines begin to be drawn and sides are taken. It can get ugly. Thats when accusations fly mostly from the guilty to bring down the innocent (play by the rules folks) but since they don’t condone the behavior or shun those who do, then they become the outcasts. Got it!
Report Post »Borchalso
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 11:49amWhat a bunch of opinion chief. Why didn’t CO get rid of the whole crew after the Stouts record. Or maybe try to turn things around? Do you know more than everyone else? First hand intel? The CO has great record and then lead piped after 2 months. Sounds like politics more than performance.
Report Post »shakenbake
Posted on March 2, 2011 at 10:08pmThis is the result of mixing political correctness and women on a combat vessel. It all weakens combat readiness!
Report Post »p-squared
Posted on March 2, 2011 at 9:59pmWhy is everyone assuming the CO and the CMC were involved? Trust me, ship CO’s can (and do) get relieved for the behavior of their subordinates (where do you think the term “drunken sailor” comes from?), and the fact that a bunch of other personnel were also removed from the ship tells me that the CO is paying the price for having the ultimate responsibility that comes with assuming command, which includes setting the proper command climate.
Report Post »Before you pass judgement and demand court martials, dismissal without pensions, firing squads, and walking the plank, why don’t you wait and find out what the whole story is?
dskul1
Posted on March 2, 2011 at 9:08pmMy comments are not directly targeted to this story, but my opinion is general about women on ships; combat ships in particular, but it takes all kinds of ships for a carrier group or combat squadron to be effective. I served on a DDG for two years during the Viet Nam war mostly in the Tonkin Gulf. When the Navy decided to let women serve along with men on ships like tin cans, I knew there would be trouble. Nineteen year olds full of sexual drive things are going to happen. Just because you order them not to, the sex drive is stronger. Living that close during a combat cruise is very intense. I am not against women in the Navy or on ships, but don’t act suprised when this type of thing happens. The military is no place for social experimentation. Lives are at stake. I always thought if women want to serve on ships, make the whole crew female. They are always saying they can do anything men can, let them prove it. Lets see them completely staff every rate on a destroyer or whatever kind of ship they want. The worst part of this is that now this ship’s combat readiness is severly effected. That reduces the saftey of the fleet and whole country. If we ever get in a real naval war with China or whoever this kind of thing will be paid for in blood.
Report Post »Tagudinian
Posted on March 2, 2011 at 9:58pmAll in the name of political correctness, lives are put in jeopardy. All for the sake of being considered a progressive thinking nation, women are assigned to men of war to serve alongside men. There are rules and protocols and natural boundaries put in place by human anatomy. Women pee sitting down. Men do it standing up. Even the testosterone levels are different. This idea that women can do whatever men are capable of doing may be correct but to experiment on board ship with it is asinine.
Report Post »ConstitutionFreedomLover
Posted on March 2, 2011 at 9:07pmOkay my opinion…they should not allow women on ships with men in the first place. They are better suited elsewhere in the military. They should never allow any woman in the Naval area. It’s because of all the PC crap…where women need equal rights…blah, blah, blah!!! ;/ Men are just better at somethings then women are…and vice versa!!! ;)
Report Post »Nervous Investor
Posted on March 2, 2011 at 8:56pmWhat is that Miles From Nowhere …… Handin-Panties run di mess ….. Seriously, discipline is needed on a warship but the folks need to let their hair down at times as well.
Report Post »Sutter Buttes
Posted on March 2, 2011 at 8:53pmYo Ho Ho and a bottle of rum!!
Report Post »CanteenBoy
Posted on March 2, 2011 at 8:49pmAgree that they must face discipline. My Dad was Captain of the carrier USS John F. Kennedy during the first Gulf War and I learned you get zero tolerance for mistakes. You cannot even bump the dock without severe reprimand.
Report Post »Rowgue
Posted on March 2, 2011 at 9:21pmBumping a dock with a carrier would be rather unlikely. Carriers don’t port overseas except for one port where repairs and emergency retrofits are performed. Other than that they anchor about a mile offshore and run liberty boats to shore. And when they do port (including their US home port) a certified master helmsman assigned by the port authority is doing the driving. The captain has no involvement in an actual docking maneuver on a carrier.
CanteenBoy
Posted on March 2, 2011 at 9:46pmWith all due respect, I have first-hand information regarding this.
Yes, the harbormaster flies out to the ship to guide it into port. The ship and it‘s safety is still the Captain’s responsibility. I was on the ship coming into Norfolk once. I also have endless stories as my Dad flew jets off carriers for his entire career before becoming the Captain of one. 488 combat missions over Viet Nam; over 1200 traps (carrier landings), with nearly 400 of them at night.
Back on point, it is possible to bump the dock and the Captain will pay for it.
Report Post »Rowgue
Posted on March 2, 2011 at 11:00pmI spent 6 years on the USS George Washington. I’ve experienced it first hand about a hundred times. Of course the captain is there, but once the port authority takes over the captain has no control over the maneuvering of the ship. He‘s on the bridge because it’s the communication center on the ship. All major events are coordinated from the bridge. There is a lot more involved with docking a ship than the piloting of the vessel. All of the coordination of getting mooring lines to the pier, properly tightened, and secured, getting gangways in place etc etc.
Report Post »RETSCPO
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 10:18amROWGUE,
With all due respect, you know not what you speak! I anchored in overseas ports at several locations on a carrier. If you did six years on one ship and then “got out because of stuff like this” – I would think your experience on that one ship does not account for how we do/did business in the entire Navy? I had a CO of another ship (not a carrier) – drive it right to the pier – because he got tired of waiting for the tugs (that never showed up) and wanted his crew on the beach as the entire City’s welcoming committee was on the pier waiting for us! Gutsy move on his part – but if he had bumped the pier… he would have been toast. He was a master ship driver. The Harbor Pilot does not relieve the CO of command while onboard… he is an “advisor” to the CO.
There are rules in place, clearly they were violated. The stupid shall be punished, yada yada. The CO/CMC in this case are being held responsible for a “liberty incident”. Thats like saying the Sheriff in your local county should be fired because he is responsible for the off duty behavior of several of his Deputies. Fair enough I guess… but I have never heard of that in the news? Navy certainly has extra rules and responsibilities (i.e. UCMJ) the Police Dept does not have!
The repeal of DADT is going to take these types of problems (on and off the ship) to a whole new level – Glad I did my 20 and moved on!
Report Post »Rowgue
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 11:41amLol tell yourself whatever you like. I’ve been on the bridge for at least a hundred docking evolutions on a carrier and NOT ONCE did I ever hear the captain giving direction to the helmsman. What did happen was the helmsman giving directions to the captain, and the port authorities giving directions to the caption via radio.
Nobody said he was relieved of command. You’re arguing with a straw man there. What I said was he’s not in control of if the ship hits the pier or not. He’s not giving orders to the helmsman and leehelmsman on how to steer and how fast to set the engines. If a carrier were to strike a pier it would be the pier that got destroyed. That’s precisely why ports now mandate that one of their certified master helmsmen pilot a ship to the pier.
Report Post »marnidawg
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 11:57amI wasn’t on a carrier, but being the master helmsman on the ship I served on, my orders came from the OOD who got their info from a local pilot. Sometimes the CO was on the bridge, sometimes he wasn’t, but the pilot was definitely not the person in command of docking the ship. He was always just and adviser. It was ultimately the CO’s responsibility.
Report Post »randy
Posted on March 2, 2011 at 8:46pmOMG . A Drunken Sailor. What are the chances of that?
Report Post »Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 12:07amThat’s like finding a crooked politician, (show of disbelief) NOOOOO.
I’m shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!
Casablanca
We have to pass the bill to find out what’s in it.
Report Post »neverending
Posted on March 2, 2011 at 8:38pmGood news for a change – throw this dirty rotten lowlifes out with a dishonorable discharge and no pension, no nothing. If they can’t stand up to the higher standards set forth by our military then they need to be gone.
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on March 2, 2011 at 8:57pmObama?
Report Post »miles from nowhere
Posted on March 2, 2011 at 8:32pmHanky-panky run amok!
Report Post »TexasCommonSense
Posted on March 2, 2011 at 8:47pmI served on a ship like that many moons ago. When I served women were not allowed to serve on combatant ships. I hated that then, but it was probably for the better.
Report Post »arx
Posted on March 2, 2011 at 10:00pmYou darn right it was better. I served on a carrier when women were not allowed on combat ships. Then on a tender where women were allowed. Commands were like night and day, and it was all due to ‘sex’. Women getting pregnant to get off the ship. Lead petty officers using their position to get tail. Women using their tail to get ahead, and on and on. So much for the mission. Women have a place in the service in supply or administration, NOT in combat roles.
At TBS at Quantic (the basic school for brand new marine corps officers) all the guys would carry full 100 lbs backpacks, and the women would carry empty packs with a couple of pair of socks. One small example of many. There is no fault except for the PC crap that put them their in the first place. They do not have the strength or stamina to be fighting marines. Period.
Report Post »RightPolitically
Posted on March 2, 2011 at 8:32pmWay to go. There MUST BE STRICT ADHERENCE TO all command structures in the military!
Report Post »TexasCommonSense
Posted on March 2, 2011 at 8:49pmYou’re right and captain Borchers knows that.
Report Post »crackerone
Posted on March 2, 2011 at 8:50pmCapt. Phil McCrackin and his apprentice, reporting for duty Sir!
Report Post »broker0101
Posted on March 2, 2011 at 8:52pmEven Better, True Headline, “Mercury Radio Arts’ Alcoholic, Drug Addict Chief Predicts ‘Civil Unrest Like America Has Never Seen Before’ and that He is ‘Trying to Save Us’”. I will mock, in a funny, throaty voice, anyone who dares question that statement of fact.
Report Post »Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on March 2, 2011 at 8:52pmAt least it was with a female, oh that’s whats wrong. It was with a female, if it was a gay relationship, no problem, just “Liberty” buddies.
I work with retired Navy, that just sounds like she had an “Additional Duty”.
Of couse, all of this just sounds like sailors being sailors, but hey, if we demand they put their life on the line, work 12 hour shifts, and spend months at sea and away from family and friends; if they blow off steam, bust them.
But if Congress or anyone in the Executive branch do this, it’s just another weekend in DC. Tickle fight anyone?
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on March 2, 2011 at 8:55pmI look at it this way–maybe they thought that there was nothing else to do on that boat (like the days before electricity and television and people had large families), and “who’s to know?”
Report Post »Rowgue
Posted on March 2, 2011 at 9:11pmThe biggest reason I left the Navy was because of stuff like this. The command structure was severely lacking, there was little discipline other than the retribution variety, and there was an overwhelming sense that you weren’t part of a military organization.
Report Post »MontanaRob
Posted on March 2, 2011 at 9:29pmBroker said: I will mock, in a funny, throaty voice…
I guess that means his partner was just satisfied, good for him, good for HIM!!!
Report Post »NSDQ
Posted on March 2, 2011 at 10:03pmBroker go ANALyze yourself, same Ole crap everydamn day, youre pathetic at best….pffft loser troll
Report Post »TruthTalker
Posted on March 2, 2011 at 8:28pmHow does this internal information leak so easily to the public?
Report Post »Rowgue
Posted on March 2, 2011 at 9:07pmBecause the Navy issued a press release and ran a story in the guardian. It wasn’t leaked it was announced.
Report Post »crackerone
Posted on March 2, 2011 at 9:11pmSorry about the Phil McCrackin cracks. Think they gave more info in the Mary Jo investigation.
Report Post »vidyohs
Posted on March 2, 2011 at 9:45pmWhy should information involving a command officer in the military be hidden or kept secret? It doesn’t involve secret matters, evidently just stupid ones.
USN-Ret
Report Post »SonOfaCommunist
Posted on March 2, 2011 at 9:53pmDo you know why so many kids are born conceived during the coldest months out of the year? Do you know what happens when you put men and women in a confined space for long periods of time….like as long as the Winter Season…like that of a ship? Should this really be a shock? Even us Communist understand human nature…figured you Christians would as well.
I wonder, does the Iranian navy have any women on board with their Jihad men?
Report Post »arx
Posted on March 2, 2011 at 9:54pmWelcome to the new and improved Navy.
Report Post »jzs
Posted on March 2, 2011 at 10:16pmWas his a Christian or a Muslim? He was white that’s obvious from the photo. Do all white Christians behave like this? I’ve heard other, similiar examples of white Christians behaving this way. Is he an exception?
Report Post »thepatriotdave
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 12:03amSad to hear about this behavior in our Navy, but I’m glad it is being taken seriously. A Commander of any kind has to enforce respect that his rank is entitled to, and you don’t do that by getting plastered with your crew. The time to possibly share a drink with your crew is after winning a war, and not one minute sooner.
http://www.americasteapartynews.com
Report Post »Polwatcher
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 5:45amA “Love Boat”?
Report Post »cnsrvtvj
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 7:52amThe Navy need to maintain the highest of standards. Everything else in our society is in steep decline, we can’t let the military go as well.
http://www.donsmithshow.com – see the Society in Decline video
Report Post »hud
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 3:19pmTO Son of a Commie You are correct, and you and your commie parents are responsible for this idiocy in the US Navy. I personally wish God didn’t have a sense of humor and allow your kind in this nation.
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