WASHINGTON (AP/The Blaze) — The U.S. agency that monitors gun sales wants American weapons dealers located near the Mexican border to start reporting multiple sales of high-powered rifles, according to a notice published in the Federal Register.
The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives has asked the White House budget office to approve an emergency request requiring border-area gun dealers to report the sales of two or more rifles to the same customer within a five-day period.
The emergency request, published Friday in the Federal Register, is likely to face stiff opposition from gun rights advocates, including the National Rifle Association. However, ATF wants the Office of Budget Management to approve the request by Jan. 5.
NRA officials did not immediately return a telephone message for comment Monday. Last week the group’s chief lobbyist, Chris Cox, told The Washington Post that the “NRA supports legitimate efforts to stop criminal activity, but we will not stand idle while our Second Amendment is sacrificed for politics.”
High-powered rifles have become the weapon of choice for Mexico’s warring drug cartel. More than 30,000 people have been killed in Mexico’s drug war since President Felipe Calderon launched an offensive against the powerful drug gangs shortly after taking office in late 2006.
Officials on both sides of the border have said weapons bought legally in the United States are routinely smuggled into the Mexico. The proposed reporting requirement would apply to sales of two or more semi-automatic guns more powerful than .22-caliber rifles that use a detachable magazine within a five-day period.
ATF, which tracks weapons found in Mexico and has tied tens of thousands of recovered guns to U.S. dealers, has been criticized for not doing enough to curb the flow of guns to Mexico, where firearms sales are highly restricted.
Last month a Justice Department report on the agency’s Operation Gunrunner criticized the program as being narrowly focused on individual gun buyers and not larger smuggling organizations believed responsible for significant numbers of guns being shipped across the border.
Currently there are no reporting requirements for rifles.
If approved by the White House, the new reporting requirement would affect nearly 8,500 border-area gun dealers in Arizona, California, New Mexico and Texas and be in place for 180 days.
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rbqueen
Posted on December 21, 2010 at 9:43amI’m curious. Lets say that someone buys more than one gun and the weapons dealer notifies the ATF about it. What is the ATF going to do? Go across the border and take the weapons back from the cartel? That wouldn‘t work because for one thing the mexican government wouldn’t let them cross the border because they would just label them as illegal aliens and either put them in jail or run their tails right back across the border into the USA. They seem to forget that the open border only works one way, from mexico into the the US.
Report Post »JohnnyJT
Posted on December 21, 2010 at 9:21amClose the Border.
Report Post »joek
Posted on December 21, 2010 at 9:05amShould it not be the Mexican Government that is responsible to keep this contraband from entering their country? They said they were sold legally! I think the Mexicans should secure their border! Not harass US citizens anymore. We have enough trouble with the flow north!
And, If you had as much money as the drug cartels, would you not just buy a Mexican supple officer and get the weapons from their army? I am sure they have a wonderful selection with out that silly semi-auto problem. Of course we probably gave them the weapons to begin with, to fight that war on drugs!
Report Post »cykonas
Posted on December 21, 2010 at 8:14amBATF, hmmm…aren’t they some of the same folks who were part of the worst terrorist attack in the US by the US government in Waco a few years back? I suppose we should trust their judgement now….or should we?
Report Post »Sounds like more of the same to me. Absolute lies told by absolute liars. This is another less than marginally effective agency that needs to go bye bye. The key to smaller government is to get rid of these largely unconstitutional, do-little, fiefdoms that are headed by folks who are accountable to no one. Bombard your misrepresentatives with emails and phone calls.
lordjosh
Posted on December 21, 2010 at 7:57am“NRA supports legitimate efforts to stop criminal activity, but we will not stand idle while our Second Amendment is sacrificed for politics.”
I support the Constitution of the United States and the right to govern ourselves. The NRA is is infiltrated with extremley mis-educated lawers. I suggest to everyone who is a member to withdraw their support.
Report Post »DonaldH
Posted on December 21, 2010 at 7:51amIf the “organized” government can‘t control the border then maybe it’s time an “unorganized” government rose-up and took control of the situation…
Report Post »lordjosh
Posted on December 21, 2010 at 8:11amNo. It’s not.
Report Post »Cuthalu
Posted on December 21, 2010 at 7:14amThis is nothing more than a trojan horse to get what they really want which is to have this apply to all the states. Fact is, the government knows that doing this at the border states will be meaningless since the drug dealers will simply for further into the country to buy these weapons. After 6 months to a year, our government will claim it needs to be extended to all the states.
Then it will be on to the next scam to set in motion the removal of the 2nd amendment.
Report Post »ETOOL USMC RECON
Posted on December 21, 2010 at 7:08amThe ATF (Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms…whose bringing the chips?) traced “tens of thousands of illegal guns”…the TRUTH is that it is less than 100.
Report Post »MORE GUNS HAVE BEEN STOLEN BY ILLEGALS HERE IN THE US AND TAKEN BACK TO THE HELL HOLE called Mexico than were ever sold LEGALLY then smuggled.
How about the fine people of the great state of TEXAS and their gov. Rick Perry say “NUTS” to these ATF idiots, ignore their COMMON IGNORANCE…….and even BUILD THEIR OWN HUGE BORDER FENCE, equipped with .large walls, mines, gun towers and cocertina wire everywhere! I think the folks in TX would make the Soviets look like school children when it came to a border …if they have their way.
The Toad
Posted on December 21, 2010 at 7:03amIf you were ever thinking about buying a gun for your protection nows the time to do it!! Only the mexicans will have guns! Our government will take our guns away from us!
Report Post »RightPolitically
Posted on December 21, 2010 at 7:03amThis is a complicated situation. But I don’t trust the government on this issue. They will do anything to slowly but surely put the Second Amendment out of business as they have wanted to do all along. Like everything else government does, THIS WILL NOT WORK. Why don’t they spend their efforts on apprehending those who deal guns to Mexican drug cartels. Create new laws in congress to make doing so a crime of TREASON and then EXECUTE the guilty. But no, can’t do that, it would be HARSH they’d tell us. They’d much rather REGULATE and make believe they are solving the problem instead!
Report Post »oldoldtimer
Posted on December 21, 2010 at 9:35amIf they get the 2nd the 1st will soon follow!
Report Post »ETOOL USMC RECON
Posted on December 21, 2010 at 6:54amAdd your comments
Report Post »Uncle Sambo
Posted on December 21, 2010 at 6:42amEver time the Democrats worm control of the government the ATF degenerates back into a bunch of jack booted thugs. I did not shed one single tear for the fallen agents at the hands of Randy Weaver and David Koresh. It was the government that acted outside of the law. Eventually Bill Clinton will have to take responsibility before the judgment bar of God for those fallen agents and their actions. On judgment day Janet Reno will not be able to cop to the responsibility.
Report Post »Bob
Posted on December 21, 2010 at 6:19amBit by bit, slight nudges….garbage men spying on us, DHS to enforce global warming, net neutrality, Al Sharpton dictating to the FCC, regulating gun sales. Anyone else awake yet?? These things are not good, Can America survive 2 more years with these people in office? Its time to stop this BS folks!!!
Report Post »M 4 Colt
Posted on December 21, 2010 at 5:58amGentlemen and ladys, it would be the wise person about now, that goes out and buys that AR 15 rifle and an extra 1000 rounds of ammo that you have been putting off because you didn’t have the money
. Think of it this way, it’s an early Christmas present for yourself. I can see it now, at the end of the ATF’s 180 day trial period, the left wing Dem’s will be falling over them selfs to bring back the Clinton Assault weapons ban.
This would be the prefect reason for the left to do it too, you know we have to protect Mexico from our evil high power assault rifles, ya right this is just a smoke screen to disarm us, so you had better buy em while you still can because i feel the winds of change blowing, and its blowing our way so you had better get ready..
Report Post »xm-1774u
Posted on December 21, 2010 at 5:14amim sure the cartel is buying semi auto,s 1 at a time when they have full autos bull sheet!
Report Post »they want our guns! obama and holder want to disarm us ! no sir as a oath taker get ready for a fight
New-American-Saviors
Posted on December 21, 2010 at 5:09amThat’s how it starts. They KNOW that 99.9% of the Cartels are getting Guns Illegally.
Report Post »And the Gun owner who wants to Hunt or Protect his property will now be under the watchful Eye.
scguitar
Posted on December 21, 2010 at 4:27amTop down, bottom up. Never let a serious crisis go to waste. O here we have a drug cartel crisis, so lets expand government power over gun sales. But dont worry, because the intentions are good… to protect the American people. thats always the excuse
Report Post »Zombee
Posted on December 21, 2010 at 4:15amBecause the FEDS refuse to get serious about the illegal invasion into our country they are going to impose more restrictions and regulations on our second amendment rights. This is another nudge by the anti-gun Obama regime that is not going to make any of us us safer or do anything to stop the drug gangs from killing more Americans. When you see US Army deployed on the border, that’s when you will know that the Obama Regime is really .serious. Long live the Tea Party!
Report Post »TexasCommonSense
Posted on December 21, 2010 at 3:52amYeah, most here pretty much agree, the solution is simple. The government won’t do it though. It doesn’t fir into their ideology.
Report Post »nelsonknew
Posted on December 21, 2010 at 2:39amI passed the ACTUAL PDF file from the BATF&E on the Stu months ago, 33 firearms out of 31,311 as of April 2009, were proven to have been purchased at one time in the U.S. and there is NO proof when or where those firearms were bought, sold, or if these guns were stolen.
Report Post »This is all based on a lie and in fact the BATF&E existence is unconstitutional. The Federal nor the state’s governments have the authority to regulate firearms.
Attacking “selected” gun dealers in “selected” states violated the Equal Protection clause of the U.S. Constitution.
The BATF&E has long been allowed to make LAW in the U.S., this needs to be stopped IMMEDIATELY!
RepubliCorp
Posted on December 21, 2010 at 3:22amBecause they (OBAMA) want to disarm Americans along the border so that his voting base can rush in and save him in 2012 … all kidding aside, its just another power grab by the charlatan. The EPA FCC AFT all need a slap down………And this POS in office needs some stitches in his other lip
Report Post »joek
Posted on December 21, 2010 at 8:43amEverything they do is a lie! I don’t think one word of truth has come out of DC for years.
Report Post »Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on December 21, 2010 at 4:51pmEverything that comes out of Obama’s mouth is a lie in one way or another. Should we be calling him “The Great Deceiver?” or is there someone else coming who is worse?
Report Post »southernloyalty
Posted on December 21, 2010 at 2:00amClose the border???? But that would be waysist, not fair, not fair, not fair, wahhhh
Report Post »DashRipRock
Posted on December 21, 2010 at 1:47amand maybe there wouldnt be so many gun dealers along our border if there were not so many US citzen afraid for thier lives BECAUSE THE US GOV WONT DO ANYTHING ABOUT THE BORDER!!!
Report Post »DashRipRock
Posted on December 21, 2010 at 1:42amIn that 8,500 dealers along the border they are including Houston Texas. When did Houston become a border town?
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on December 21, 2010 at 3:04amwhen it got over run by Mexicans just like here in Florida
Report Post »IndyGuy
Posted on December 21, 2010 at 1:37amFirst serious step in disarming Americans…Get ready for revolution folks…
Report Post »ozz
Posted on December 21, 2010 at 2:46amOnly from my smoking cold dead hand on a pile of brass. I will die free. MOLON LABE!
Report Post »DashRipRock
Posted on December 21, 2010 at 1:29amSo instead of closing up the border so no one could get guns to and fro the feds are just going to harass law abing citizens on our side of the border.
Report Post »cheezwhiz
Posted on December 21, 2010 at 1:51amThey can’t close the border with mehico , that’ll inconvenience the mehican drug smugglers and cayotes .
Report Post »Oh BTW, DHS has a new mandate, now they have to fight global -warming .
They don’t have time or money to secure the homeland.
101
Posted on December 21, 2010 at 1:58amThey‘re not targeting the Mexican drug cartels or the illegal’s crossing the borders…there target is gun control to disarm the American people!-
Create a problem “leave the borders open” and create a solution “gun control” just a foot in the door!
The real facts are guns came from the American government that trained and armed the Mexican military/police that ran amuck and joined the cartels, the other tens of thousands weapons found RPG’s, AK-47′s & grenades “NOT AMERICAN” but from overseas shipped in thru the Gulf of Mexico!
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on December 21, 2010 at 2:02am“ATF, which tracks weapons found in Mexico and has tied tens of thousands of recovered guns to U.S. dealers, has been criticized for not doing enough to curb the flow of guns to Mexico, where firearms sales are highly restricted.”
“Not doing enough” is when you don’t put up a border fence. Arm yourselves, America. This is about controlling our guns. If I catch someone buying two or more high-powered rifles within a 5-day period, I’m not saying anything to the government.
Screw you, Marxists. You’re not taking my guns.
Report Post »ozz
Posted on December 21, 2010 at 2:41amJust build the damn wall already !!!!!!!!!
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on December 21, 2010 at 2:58amThis administration has been using Mexico as a reason for gun control from day one. When they were ask for the serial numbers of these so called American guns they refused to provide any proof. Why?Because it is BS. This Charlatan POS needs to go
Report Post »grandmaof5
Posted on December 21, 2010 at 4:10amThat’s a brilliant solution! I’m sure the drug cartels come across the border to buy their guns, one at a time, and register them in TX. Can the people making these decisions get much dumber (rhetorical question)? Close the border and arm the citizens so they can protect themselves – BUILD THE FENCE.
Report Post »jmparrish
Posted on December 21, 2010 at 4:23amWe need to fence off populated areas of the border….but, a fence in the middle of nowhere is absurd and not necessary….all we need is the national guard of the border states along with volunteer militia should funds be too tight….to simply patrol.
Why not throw in some of those damn arial drones we overpayed for and get them in the mix aswell…find them, if they fire on our guys…they die…that simple; f-all the politics
Even without the fence we could close down that border tomorrow to unlawful trafficing
Report Post »Lunar
Posted on December 21, 2010 at 4:26amThere going to apply this in Texas?….. BWahAhahahhahahahaha hahHAHAHahahhahAHAHa. Yeah first off, Texas. Secondly thats the best way to buy guns. You want to arm your whole ranch at the same time against the drug cartels and the Gov. whose going to eventually make it illegal to be against illegal immigrants.
Report Post »jmparrish
Posted on December 21, 2010 at 4:34amWe need to organize against this guncontrol nonsense and protest in the streets of Washington DC, let them bastards know the correct solution to the problem..*(using national guard troops to stop the trafficing)…and secondly to let the rest of the country (the liberals in CA and NY, etc) know that if they support this gun control crap they will have a REAL unCIVIL *problem* on their hands.
I cant believe the pipe dream most of these libs have that “the world would be a better place without guns”…they actually think they can elliminate firearms from america…all they can do is take them out of the hands of actual law abiding citizens, thus giving the thugs and murderous criminals more power over the weak because only the law breakers will have guns in the end…oh and the Gestappo.
Report Post »jmparrish
Posted on December 21, 2010 at 4:41amToo bad we cant seem to organize an anti gun control rally or something…atleast to let the liberals konw that if they try taking our guns…it WILL be war and alot of blood…i fear they will just take a little at a time…ease our guns away from us, leaving only the criminals armed. So in essence we need to get motivated over every little gun control measure they try.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on December 21, 2010 at 4:45amYes DashRipRock
Report Post »and maybe prevent those lawabidding citizens from getting more defensive weapons when they need them … stock up NOW!
jmparrish
Posted on December 21, 2010 at 4:49amAnyone here got the money to organize? Well the thought of a multimillionare that cares about American rights must be a conservative’s pipe dream, one i hope will come true. Unfortunately all the conservative rich folk are more conservative with their wealth and security then the liberals at this point.
Report Post »highcarry
Posted on December 21, 2010 at 5:26amto jmparrish. you said ” all they can do is take them out of the hands of law abiding citizens.”. no, they can’t. if i can’t buy them legally, i will buy them illegally.
Report Post »tower7femacamp
Posted on December 21, 2010 at 6:40amis that in the 2nd Amendment ?
Report Post »guyperram
Posted on December 21, 2010 at 7:41amMaybe the Feds should take away Americans guns. That way the peace loving drug gangs from Mexico wouldn’t have to risk hurting themselves with guns.
Report Post »Or better yet, move our National Guard to the border, and pursue the bad guys until they are dead. After all that is exactly what General (Black Jack) Pershing did around the turn of the last century. Oh I forgot, we shouldn’t defend ourselves, the former 60′s hippies are boss now. (Puke)
independentvoteril
Posted on December 21, 2010 at 8:04amI see the point of them doing it but it is infringing on the rights of the AMERICAN citizen.. The problem is the governments THEY are the ones who have allowed ANCHOR babies to go on so long they don’t know who the REAL citizens are and who holds duel citizenship with Mexico nor which ones actually hold alliance with MEXICO not the U.S.A… THEY are the ones who have FAILED to do their jobs.. I would like to say it‘s just been this administration but it’s hasn’t.. and it’s time to get it straightened out.. If I read this right it’s a request.. and we all know you can REQUEST anything you want.. and it’s nice to want..doesn‘t mean you’ll get it.. It is a smoke screen since most guns that went south of the border were said to be from the military..
Report Post »KICKILLEGALSOUT
Posted on December 21, 2010 at 8:46amThere is a lot of people blaming so called “American” weapons for the border violence but I think it is all a lie to try to pass more regulation and take away American arms or make it harder for us to protect ourselves, and if there is a place where Americans need protection it is the border. A little fact that most people don’t know is that the majority of weapons in Mexico are actually shipped in from China. As China continues to expand it‘s trade with Mexico it is also expanding it’s smuggling of weapons to Mexico to fuel the Drug gangs which brings more unrest to America and also smuggling illegal immigrants from China across the Mexican border which has increased 1000% year on year. There are multiple attacks and plans in place to continue to overwhelm our system and bleed us dry financially and make us rise to unmanageable levels of manpower to keep law and order!
Report Post »KICKILLEGALSOUT
Posted on December 21, 2010 at 8:52amFox news report how it is a myth that US guns are the problem in Mexico
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/04/02/myth-percent-small-fraction-guns-mexico-come/
Chinese illegals coming almost more than Mexicans
Report Post »http://ezinearticles.com/?Chinese-Illegal-Aliens-Crossing-Into-US-Via-Mexican-Border&id=3047824
oldoldtimer
Posted on December 21, 2010 at 9:28amThe ATF and the Gov’t are lying just like they did before. Remember 2 years ago they started this same bogus claim. Then it was investigated by media and they found that less than 5% of the guns were actually purchased in the US. Many were stolen and even more were actually supplied by our own Gov’t(full auto M-4′s). That refuse to release the serial numbers because that is how their lie was debunked before. As to the AK’s they are mainly Chinese made. I am sure you can walk into any gun store in TX and buy grenades, RPG’s and antipersonnel weapons, NOT! They impose this new restriction on TX and in 6 months they say it is not working so they expand it to the whole US. One little step at a time. That is how they will destroy the 2nd amendment rights that keeps America free. If you do not think the right to keep and bear arms is the only thing stopping the radicals from doing an armed take over you really are stupid. The new head of the ATF is the most antigun rights person Obama could find to put in the job. He was a big backer in the Chicago and DC no gun laws. He worked with the Brady gun elemination group. The reason Obama selected him.
Report Post »racialcoward
Posted on December 21, 2010 at 10:07amDon’t worry, its only for gun delears North of the Mexican boarder all the way to the Canadian boarder.
Report Post »Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on December 21, 2010 at 4:39pm“ATF, which tracks weapons found in Mexico and has tied tens of thousands of recovered guns to U.S. dealers,”
Are they going to release the names of the dealers or is this just a fallacy?
Report Post »Shut those alleged dealers down, but don’t punish the rest of us!
Bum thrower
Posted on December 22, 2010 at 10:35amGeee; I can’t seem to find a RPG, at any gun shop or show!! Wooosey AR-15‘s don’t shoot full auto, so why would I want one of those? In 2012 we gotta finish the house cleaning; get rid of the RINOs in the primaries, then THROW THE BUMS OUT!!
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