SALT LAKE CITY (AP) — Gay rights activists staged a silent protest Thursday outside the headquarters of the Mormon church in Salt Lake City in response to a church leader’s remarks that homosexuality is an immoral condition that can and should be overcome.
The sermon by Boyd K. Packer, president of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, came Sunday during the 180th semiannual general conference of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Salt Lake City.
In his remarks Packer said some would argue that gays “were pre-set and cannot overcome what they feel are inborn tendencies toward the impure and unnatural. Not so! Why would our Heavenly Father do that to anyone?”
Activists nationwide have called Packer’s remarks hurtful and say they ostracize gay church members and can lead some to consider or attempt suicide.
On Thursday night, activists dressed in black to symbolize the loss of young, gay Mormons to suicide, activists lay head-to-toe on the sidewalks circling the church’s six-block downtown campus.
Police estimated the crowd at roughly 1,000, although organizer Eric Ethington, who runs the blog PrideinUtah, said event staff counted close to 4,500 participants.
“We want to tell men like Boyd K. Packer that we are tired of watching our children die. There are consequences to your words,” Ethington said to the crowd to kick off the event. “You cannot change us, we cannot change ourselves and the more you try, the more dead bodies you leave behind. Stop.”
Ethington defended Packer’s right to express his opinion, but say the church’s gay youth also need to hear a message of hope.
“We love you. You are beautiful. You are perfect just the way you are,” he said, drawing cheers.
In a statement issued near the end of the rally, church officials said they support the right of groups to voice their opinion in the public square.
“Those familiar with the Church‘s doctrine on the importance of marriage and family know it is based on principles of respect and love for all of God’s children,” spokesman Scott Trotter said in the statement. “We have continually emphasized that there is no room in this discussion for hatred or mistreatment of anyone.”
A similar statement was issued in the days following Packer’s speech, which also defended the faith’s stance against gay marriage. Packer, 86, who is next in line for the church’s presidency, said those who tolerate or advocate voting for same-sex marriage want to legalize immorality, “as if a vote would somehow alter the designs of God’s laws and nature.”
The Human Rights Campaign, the largest national civil rights organization for the lesbian, gay, transgender community, has since called for Packer to recant his “inaccurate and dangerous” comments.
In a news release, the group noted that the American Psychological Association and the American Psychiatric Association dispute the efficacy of reparative therapies that attempt to alter a person’s sexual orientation and said a 2009 study in the medical journal Pediatrics found that telling teens they can change their orientation often increases the likelihood of suicide.
Protest participant Elan Matotek, 26, was raised Mormon and said the messages she heard in church — that homosexual behavior is wrong — were difficult to hear.
“It makes you uncomfortable for people to come out. It makes you feel like less of a person,” said Matotek, who attended the protest with her girlfriend, 22-year-old Jasmine Clark. “But, I feel like I am the person I’m supposed to be.”
Packer’s message — heard by more than 20,000 in the church conference center and millions more through worldwide television, radio and Internet broadcasts — could have far reaching affects on young church members wrestling with their sexuality, Matotek said.
“You know they will listen to him and believe that what they are doing is wrong,” she said. “I think it’s just wrong. He has power and I think he’s using it in the wrong way.”
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N37BU6
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 3:16pmDoesn’t impact my life one bit… couldn’t care less if I tried.
Report Post »Prospero
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 3:18pmObviously you could. You could care little enough to not even post…..
Report Post »Prospero
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 3:12pmGay activists employ the same tactics as Islamofascists. Demonize all dissent, characterize it as “hate”, and pretend that the evil they do is not just moral and acceptable, but something that should be proudly championed by all.
All the while attempting to destroy any vestige of any tradition with which they disagree.
Report Post »Hanny
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 3:11pmthe leaders of the mormon church have this general conference every six months…this is not the first time they have covered this subject. suddenly their mad! they want freedom to do what they want but as soon as someone says something different it’s not fair. i’m so tired of groups protesting for their rights (being free to do so) but then get mad when someone says differently. ugh nothin but headaches.
Report Post »Contrarianthinker
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 4:57pmPlease understand that it is going to get MUCH WORSE. We are in the very end times and Lucifer KNOWS his rule is soon to end. All stops will be pulled out.
Report Post »Joseph_Plumb_Martin
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 7:26pmGood thing Joe Smith was the only person who knew that Jackson County Missouri was the place to be when all this went down. As for me, I’ll be in South Beach sipping a cold Sam Adams
Report Post »Contrarianthinker
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 7:40pmJoseph, NO I’m afraid you will be one of those burned up when Christ comes. Won’t even make it to the Millenium. There4 won’t be a CA as we know it today.
Report Post »Joseph_Plumb_Martin
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 8:21pmWhat? I talked to JC last night. He told me we were hitting Vegas once he gets back,as long as his dad lets him use the family Suburban
Report Post »Hanny
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 8:24pm@ contrarianthinker, i do understand that it will get much worse. and i’m ready for a fight.
Report Post »Joseph8
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 10:28pm@CONTRARIANTHINKER
Report Post »you’re comments are just as ridiculous as JOSEPH_PLUMB_MARTIN’s comments. You seriously just told him he’s going to burn and you wonder why people think our church is crazy? It’s because of comments like yours
Joseph_Plumb_Martin
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 12:28amCA? South Beach is in Florida…you know Miami son.TBM’s do need to do more work on geography,then maybe you could find me those huge cities the BoM talks of.
Report Post »Contrarianthinker
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 11:23am8: I‘m afraid you don’t know your Bible very well. The burning I’m mentioning occurs at the second coming when the earth MUST be cleansed with fire so Jesus can reside for 1000 years.
The HELL you refer to comes after the final judgement. FYI, Mormon Theology doesn’t teach of fiery burning in hell for eternity. That is an orthodox theological concept. FYI, the burning will be one of conscience and knowing what you could have become/done in mortality. REGRET for what might have been
Report Post »Contrarianthinker
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 11:24amJoseph, thank you for the correction. I admit given your remarks you were from the left coast.
Report Post »Mithra
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 12:57pmContrarian, do you know what South Beach even stands for?
Report Post »Joseph8
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 4:44pm@contrarian
Report Post »you prove my point about you every time. look at how you talk to people and you expect anyone to take you seriously. I try to point out that your telling people on here their gonna burn. You don’t see that maybe thats a little uncalled for? I wasn’t aware of your prophetic calling that you can see who Christ is going to burn. Then you tell me I don’t know my Bible very well. You are very childish and I’m embarrassed that you come on here and try to represent my religion just because you can spout out what we believe.
Contrarianthinker
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 6:52pmMirtha, no I don’t know what it stands for. I didn’t know either what tea ****** stood for. Just call me ignorant of today’s slang.
Report Post »Contrarianthinker
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 7:05pm8. Anyone who is living. a telestial life will be burned up at Christ’s coming. You‘re right that I’m not the judge who determines this but one can look at D+C 76 and see the characteristics of those who are Telestial. IF a person has most if NOT all those characteristics, he/she will burn according to Mormon Theology and the Bible. You are familair with the teachings of D+C 76?
Report Post »Joseph_Plumb_Martin
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 2:46amAs my name indicates I’m from Connecticut.Read a serious book about history,not a fairy tale from a polygamist theodemocrat.Sorry but your failed attempts to peg me as a progressive are as weak as the BoM’s claims that American Indians are Israelites.But I guess since Im not a TBM I must be a dark spirit child and a communist.How’s that White Horse prophecy coming along?
BTW,which FOB did you like best during your deployments?
Report Post »Iamtheoracle
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 3:09pmThere was nothing hateful about Elder Packer’s words . Protesters want to twist and distort to justify their own behavior. There was nothing in his talk that demeaned those who suffer from same gender attraction and the Church has repeatedly expressed their love for those in crisis. The behavior – the act of engaging in sexual acts with a person of the same sex is immoral … just as when heterosexuals engage in sexual activity outside of the bonds of marriage is immoral… You can be “gay” and live morally clean.
And just so you anti’s out there can be sure – Elder Packer will not recant his talk – nor will the Church change it’s doctrinal stand against the acts of homosexuality. But there will always be a continuing effort to express love for those who suffer … and frankly where the suicide issues are involved… families must accept their own responsibilities for the care of these precious children. It is true that suicide rates are higher among adolescents who are affected by same gender issues – but odds are their is depression and other mental health issues present as well. Children who are well mentally and emotionally ( even when they are gay ) will not take their life. Suicide rates are even higher for those “straight” kids who are being raised by gay parents.
Report Post »Prospero
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 3:17pm“It is true that suicide rates are higher among adolescents who are affected by same gender issues”
Actually, this is a calculated deception. Suicide rates are significantly higher among homosexuals of every age bracket. All research demonstrates that homosexuals rate themselves lower in all measures of general happiness than heterosexuals do.
The lie the homosexual lobby seeks to advance is that these traditional sympoms of are caused by social disapproval, rather than reflecting the pathological nature of homosexual practice.
A truly loving human would refrain from enabling homosexuality by constantly justifying it, but rather accurately describe it as the sorrowful disease that it is, and lobby for research into effective cures. The most loving thing anyone can do for homosexuals is provide a solution to their emotional difficulty.
Report Post »Mithra
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 12:48pmProspero are you saying that gay people aren’t really gay. Hmm, how queer!
Report Post »Contrarianthinker
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 7:07pmMirtha great pun there.
Report Post »Coralchristie
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 3:09pmTo say that an action is wrong is not to hate the person acting. If one believes scripture then acting on homosexual desires is wrong. Again, it’s not hate. There are many people who have desires that are against either God‘s or man’s laws and who suceed every day on not acting upon the desire. Many are still happy because of the freedom to act in other parts of their lives that satisfy them and give them joy. To “deprive” oneself is hard but not wrong. Doing hard but correct things makes us stronger. To think that acting out our sexual drive is the only way to be happy is wrong. So for Pres. Packer to say what is true, may hurt some people but that is their problem and no amount of protesting will change God’s law. Those who feel that it isn‘t God’s law shouldn’t be worried then because it should have no effect whatsoever on their lives.
Report Post »Contrarianthinker
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 5:00pmAccording to the Bible, sex is ONLY be done without the bounds of matramony. Having sex with another person when married other than your spose is SIN. To have sex when NOT married is sin.
That is God’s law… NOT hate.
Report Post »FREECOUNTRY
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 3:05pmWhat President Packer stated is true. Whether you are addicted to drugs, smoking, or an unnatural affection – These are not natural to the soul. We are polluting the minds of youth by stating that these unnatural things are ‘normal’. This is what is leading to suicide – the confusion coming from those that think it is okay or suggest that people are born this way. If that is true then if Adam and Eve were born this way, none of us would be here. Thank goodness that was not so. In the words of a hero:“The wicked take the truth to be hard”.
Report Post »Briggston
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 3:04pmIt continues to shock me at how people try to say they believe in God but don’t have to pay attention to a thing he says. The cold non sugar coated truth is that. Although people have the right to live how they wish and GOD is the final judge. To discount all that the supposed revealed scriptures have said about this is to deny reality and basically to reduce yourself to the level of an ASS!! The truth is if you except Christianity, Judaism, Mormonism or Islam as being the true religion than you cannot deny that every supposed God who spoke to these men who wrote these scriptures has condemned Homosexual behavior from ancient times. In the old testament and Islam it was an offense punishable by death. 2 Ancient citys were allegedly destroyed for this very practice. Christianity is more tolerant in that it only involved excommunication or dis fellow ship. And in mormonism the most tolerant of all the beliefs the only time you will receive any dis fellowship or excommunication is if you are practicing homosexual. Incidentally since when do homosexuals get to persecute church doctrine because they disagree with you. Isn’t that in itself bigotry. You don‘t have to be mormon if you don’t like to hear it and nobody at least should be intolerant of your beleifs. But lets examine the word tolerance. Big problem in this country is that we interpret that to be intolerant I must accept and support your beliefs. Tolerance does not mean acceptance. I can tolerate your behavior all I want. Does not mean I have to support it or that I cannot speak out against it.
Report Post »A Extremist
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 4:32pmWouldn’t it be funny if GOD was gay.
Report Post »Briggston
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 5:44pmto A extremist: Actually it would because you would of then just proved that all religion is false and that God does not exsist because if you can’t believe a word thats written about him then its good for nothing.And only atheist heckler or an ancient pharisee or sadducce would be trying to ask questions about something he doesn’t even believe in. I believe Christ identified these people as hypocrites. but I digress. Incidentally if you don’t believe what they say anyway what does it matter?
Report Post »NoName22
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 6:54pm@Briggston
There’s a couple arguments that I have FOR homosexuality from a biblical standpoint…..This only applies if homosexuality is NOT a choice, but rather the way God intended you to be when you are born.
First, you have to trust the men who transcribed it throughout history. And you have to trust that Emperor Constantine and the Catholic church were completely honest in their collections. Now I happen to believe that the latter is much more easy to say isn’t true, because of the Dead Sea Scrolls. It’s borderline common knowledge that Constantine and the Catholic Church filtered out certain gospels and designed the Bible that we know today.
Isiah 2:22 (NIV)
“Stop trusting in man, who has but a breath in his nostrils. Of what account is he?”
Secondly, the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah…..There is no direct reason given what sin is being committed.
Genesis 19:5-7 (NIV)
“5 They called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.”
6 Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him
7 and said, “No, my friends. Don’t do this wicked thing.
Now is homosexuality the reason for destruction? Or the fact that they treat the visitors harshly and without kind hospitality?
Genesis 19:5-7 (KJ)
“5And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.
6And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,
7And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.”
The hospitality argument is easier to argue with the King James version. So basically it comes down to the Word, which has been entrusted to scribes to copy down. Again Isiah 2:22
Now I know there is Leviticus…..I don’t have a case for that other than the possibility that the Jews manipulated the law. But that is a far out claim and I have no way to back it up.
By the way sodomy includes oral sex……..Which is tough to give up on both ends =)
Report Post »Contrarianthinker
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 7:39pmNo name: you’re right. What the Mormon Church has, however, is additional scriptures as well as living prophets. President Packer to a Mormon is a Prophet so his words govern our practices towards homosexuals.
Report Post »Kisha Majors
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 3:01pmI always love it when people attack the Church and their response’s are always filled with love.
With that said, we all have freedom of choice. Accusing the church of hurting youth because of what they believe God wants you to do, for love, for happiness, is really rather rediculous. Preaching basic fundamentals of right and wrong is not hurting anyone.
You have a choice, to be gay, or not. To commit suicide, or not. To have other’s make you feel bad, or not. To believe in God, or not. To act with love and kindness in your heart, or not. To choose to change or better yourselves, or not. To educate yourself, or not. To have faith, or not.
I have often wondered if homosexuality is in part a chromosome disease or scientifically viable in some case’s. If so, there maybe a scientific solution. However, to often than not, most homosexuals seem to choose that lifestyle rather than trying to change, or refraining from that behavior all together.
I still am not sure I buy the scientific aspect but I am not a person who study’s that theory either. I am glad that the Church’s response is, “We have continually emphasized that there is no room in this discussion for hatred or mistreatment of anyone.”
Because again that is the right way to deal with this situation. Without hatred, or mistreatment of anyone. Your life, and how you live it… regardless of what anyone says… is your own, and you are free to choose… Even if your own choices lead to your happiness or unhappiness.
Report Post »Kisha Majors
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 3:50pmI was thinking a few minutes ago… That maybe if these people would adopt the basic commandments, pray and soul search for answers from our Heavenly Father over the next several months or years. While allowing their minds to be open and willing to accept, even if the initial change in lifestyle is difficult… if they’d come out on the other side with new realizations about themselves, the Church and our Father in Heaven. Would they still say these things, or protest Disciples of the Church? How could that not be a good thing? I‘d wager to guess they’d change, and believe for the first time… more fully… in themselves, in God and know their purpose. I‘d wager to guess they’d live happier, healthier lives as well.
If they didn’t come out at the end more educated, more fulfilled, happier, and knowledgeable… I’d be very surprised. So educate yourselves, before it is too late!
Report Post »Uncle Sambo Lives Here
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 3:01pmI couldn‘t care less what the ’mos want.
Report Post »ann123
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 3:00pmbeing gay is a sin . no nation ever survived when homosexlity (sp?) was welcome . GOD destroys nations because of this.
Report Post »FromtheBasement
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 2:59pmTo be honest, I see the protest as a non-issue. From what I can tell, the protesters were there legally. They had there say, got on camera, and then left. While I may disagree with them (I’m LDS), I’m not going to raise a stink about their protest as long as they are more or less civil and obey the laws. Making it a bigger deal that what it is only fuels those who thrive on the controversy.
Report Post »NoName22
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 6:40pmThe problem is……they are saying Free Speech is responsible for suicide.
That’s called the Victim card.
Report Post »Windsong
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 2:59pmAt some point, the gay community has got to understand something very dire and very important.
YOUR country is at risk…right now…right this minute. America‘s concerns about ’gay rights’ is way down the list at this moment. Not because Americans don’t care about you, and not because they don’t want you to have rights, but because if you continue to fight for your ’cause’ instead of fighting for your nation, you may lose everything.
If your Republic falls into the hands of the anti-American terrorists, you won’t be allowed to speak again. Depending on the evil group that seems intent on destroying this country, you may not be allowed to live.
So, here’s a newsflash for all of you. I could care less about your sex-life…I’m tired of hearing about matters that should be private. I‘m tired of being called names because I may disagree with SOME of your ’demands’. Your ’cause’ will be completely muted and possibly eliminated if you remain selfish by putting your ’cause’ above the survival of the Constitution. Without that document, you will have nothing.
Grow up! Your community is acting as though they never read. The United States of America is in danger right now. Regardless of your race, religion or sexual disposition, you need to stand up as Americans. You need to help preserve the rights and freedoms you take so much advantage of, and realize that you truly are in danger of losing them all.
Your selfishness has amazed me for a long time. I’ve never understood how an entire group of people could constantly rally, march and speak, yet be totally blind to the dangers around you. You fight to join the service, yet you seem unwilling to fight FOR this country. You fight for ‘marriage’, yet you refuse to call it a ‘union’, because that would mean compromising. You continually fight for ‘demands’, yet you give nothing in return…other than anger and name-calling.
You needn’t wonder why many of us have stopped listening to your whinig and childish demands. We are busy trying to save the country so that you can continue to have the rights to whine and act like spoiled children.
The choice is yours. Be an American or label yourselves as ‘gay’…period. If, God forbid, another bomb goes off in this country tomorrow, what will you choose to be?
Report Post »AmericanPatriot01
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 3:48pmAmen!!!
Report Post »PubliusPencilman
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 4:36pmNow WindSong’s post is truly funny.Don’t try to defend your rights! Defend the rights that I think you should defend! Don’t support the Constitution by demanding equal protection under the law! Support it by fighting terrorists! How? Beats me!
That’s some crazy hot air you got there.
Report Post »Craig
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 6:03pmIncredibly well said!
Report Post »JohnLocke
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 12:49amYep.
Report Post »Okpulot Taha
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 2:54pmI liked this better when Getum Young was in charge of the Mormon church. Over fifty wives, what a man!
Okpulot Taha
Choctaw Nation
FREECOUNTRY
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 3:09pmYou have a polluted mind, Okpulot Taha.
Report Post »promise84
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 3:39pmOkpulot Taha looses credibility and integrity. Have you become infected with the ignorant name-calling that you attack others for on this site?
Report Post »AmericanPatriot01
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 3:44pmDon’t we all? You mean to tell me that you have not been currpted, even a little on any subject?
“Judge ye not, lest you be judged”. Opinions are a whole other subject.
Report Post »Okpulot Taha
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 3:45pmBIG GREEN BOO is macho, “That’s true… No f@ggin going on there.”
Now hold on there, cowboy. I did not write Getum Young is a great man, rather simply he is virile man.
If Getum Young was a great man, he would have arranged for Mormon women to each have fifty husbands. Boy howdy, those boys could mow a lot of lawns and wash a lot of cars. Now that is what I’m talking about.
Cooking, sewing and cleaning up after all those boys might be challenging, though.
Okpulot Taha
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Okpulot Taha
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 3:50pmFREECOUNTRY is an environmentalist, “You have a polluted mind, Okpulot Taha.”
Nah, those little people living in my head make the mess, not me.
Okpulot Taha
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Okpulot Taha
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 3:53pmPROMISE 84 is a left liberal, “Have you become infected with the ignorant name-calling that you attack others for on this site?”
Ah ha! Citing true historical facts is name calling! You learn this tactic from Barack?
Okpulot Taha
Report Post »Choctaw Nation
FREECOUNTRY
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 4:22pmOKPULOT, your previous posts were making sense. You must be off your medicine because your comments are becoming irrelevant and full of nonsense. If you claim something is a fact, then use facts. You are using here-say and rumors.
So if I want to learn about the truth of the Native Americans, then I will go speak to someone living in India who can tell me all the facts about Indians. Hmmm. That is your logic.
Report Post »Okpulot Taha
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 4:33pmFREE COUNTRY sucks his thumb, “You must be off your medicine because your comments are becoming irrelevant and full of nonsense.”
Childish!
FREE COUNTRY whines, “If you claim something is a fact, then use facts. You are using here-say and rumors.”
Brigham Getum Young enjoyed over fifty wives, this is a historical fact. That boy enjoyed himself a busy little Beehive House!
Okpulot Taha
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promise84
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 4:59pmOkpulot Taha has thin skin and shows even greater ignorance. You call me leftist? Based on what? I’m about as far right as one can reasonably go (emphasize reasonable). Because I advocate for less confrontational and judgmental behavior you assume much.
Report Post »Contrarianthinker
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 5:07pmYou’ve shown clearly on other threads that you reject Mormon Theology. That’s OK by me.
Why did you bring up BY? We are discussion homosexuality??? Was BY a homosexual? Were some of his marriages to men?
Report Post »tecfall
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 6:35pmGet your facts straight.
Report Post »Okpulot Taha
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 7:32pmHa! Ha! How funny! You boys are sitting there all tight jawed and with your lace panties in knots outright denying what is well known factual truth. Get my facts straight!
How about you sissy boys quit flaunting your ignorance and do some thinking?
Brigham Getum Young is documented by church records and by other historical records as having a * minimum * of fifty-five wives. Young married women in groups; many women, one ceremony. Roughly half of his wives ranged in age from 15 to 25 and the remainder about 40 to 65 years old.
At age 42, Young married Clarissa Decker, age 15. She produced 5 children for him.
At age 44, Young married Abigail Marks, age 69. She was a tad bit too old to bear children for Young but not too old to be the mother of Young’s first wife, Miriam Works, age 18 when married. Young enjoyed both mother and daughter! Kinky!
You boys (and some girls) go all macho and religious, tug at your hair, scream about a little mano-mano action but love watching those *****-***** porno movies! Bet you are thinking you would like to marry and bed down 55 women all at the same time, especially those pretty little teenage girls! Whoo Hooo! Talk about needing Viagra!
On a serious note, I am miffed people become so uptight about gays while having no qualms about men taking multiple wives. Strikes me your Bible has something to say about enjoying a harem, something about marriage being between a man and a woman, not between a man and women.
Who are you to judge gays while you are defending a religion which is founded upon polygamy? My word, look in a mirror at all this hypocrisy written across your self-righteous faces.
Personally, I admire Brigham Young. I admire his having 55 wives because he took excellent care of those girls. Many he married simply to shelter them in his Beehive House. Young was a good Christian with a big heart full of compassionate love. Young was a good man with good intent and he did much good for many people, especially those wives of his whom he loved dearly, each and every.
By-the-by, I previously dropped a big hint, “Beehive House”. Your knotted panties have you so uncomfortable not one of you noticed this hint of mine.
Only reservation I have about Young is his not allowing a girl to have multiple husbands.
You folks are so judgmental, so very self-righteous, you are unaware when truth is slapping you back and forth across your faces. I am that truth.
A hundred years back having fifty wives was quite acceptable. Times have changed. Today, gay and lesbians are quite acceptable. Times will change again in a hundred years but you won’t be around. I might, I am ornery enough to live a couple of centuries!
For those who still don’t understand this truth of mine, who loves whom is none of our business. You are dictating who may fall in love with whom. This type of theocratic tyranny is loathsome. You cite the Bible as if this is God’s word. You are lying. The Bible is written by men, literally men and those men wrote a lot of lies, a lot of God awful lies.
You cannot speak for God. You speak only for your judgmental self-righteous selves. You are not Christians, you are busy bodies who cannot keep your noses out of other peoples’ private business.
Okpulot Taha
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promise84
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 8:04pmI don’t know why, but it never ceases to amaze me how people will only accept information from sources biased on one side of an issue.
Think for yourself people. Research the subjective as well as the objective and think about the information you get within the context it was written then think about it deeply.
If you happen to believe in God then take it to Him in prayer and listen for His answer.
For those who just don’t get it, especially you Okpulot Taha: For every one source, quote, or reference you can use to support your belief that immorality was the reason behind events of the early Mormon Church I can give you at least two, from the exact same sources, that demonstrate the source to be contradictory or outright false. In many cases I can even cite examples of those very same sources later recanting their previous accusations as false or having them debunked by multiple independent sources. Unless actually addressing specific sources from inside, or former, Mormon Church persons I need not use those ‘Mormon propaganda’ resources detractors so infamously accuse members of being brainwashed with.
Report Post »A person does not need to be a member of the LDS Church to be able to find the truth about historical events surrounding its origin and growth. Just like the historical facts surrounding the inception of this great country; there are many who try to twist and distort the documented facts in order to support their personal agenda or system of belief.
Know what you are talking about lest you progress from ignorant to stupid.
Max jones
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 7:59amSorry all you mormans out there, but the church of latter day saints was born in murder and the sin of joe smith was to add to the scriptures. He was a fraud and his teachings are an abomination even more grave than homosexuality. i rebuke you all that believe in maroni and any latter day saints. Jesus Christ IS the SON of GOD!!!! The Holy Trinity IS a reality now and forever. REPENT. Be saved.
Report Post »Contrarianthinker
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 11:33amMax; I’m already saved but thank you for your concern. Unlike your theological position that I’m going to hell, Mormons believe that IF you live a good life and are NOT a Mormon, you will be with Jesus Christ in the Terrestrial Glory. See D+C 76.
Find out for yourself rather than from some minister who makes money by seling anti-Mormon pamphlets and keeping his/her flock giving donations to pay his/her salary.
Report Post »Contrarianthinker
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 11:40amTana as I said before, you have a right to reject the Restored Gospel and call us whatever names you wish. It’s so sad because the Book of Mormon came to help the PEOPLES turn to Christ and receive all their blessings that come for children of Israel.
For everyone’s knowledge, plural marriage is a major part of the OLD Testment. Everyone of the great patriarchs had multiple wives including Israel from whom Judah was born. Both Joesph and Mary were from Judah. Jesus was born of Mary and God. Therefore, Jesus had a heritage of plural marriage in his mortal line. Would GOD bring His only begotten son through the loins of sin? Plural marriage’ however, is only used under God’s command.
Report Post »Okpulot Taha
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 5:36pmCONTRARIAN THINKER comments, “Tana [Taha] as I said before, you have a right to reject the Restored Gospel and call us whatever names you wish.”
You are practicing deceit. I do not engage in name calling. I have not rejected the Restored Gospel.
CONTRARIAN THINKER adds, “blessings that come for children of Israel.”
This is well and good. I am not a child of Israel.
CONTRARIAN THINKER begins to close, “plural marriage is a major part of the OLD Testment.”
I make this very clear I strongly support Brigham Young and his philosophy of multiple wives. I indicate I respect him for this and and admire his good work. I also indicate I object to Young not allowing women to have multiple husbands; this is sexism.
CONTRARIAN THINKER finalizes, “Jesus was born of Mary and God.”
God did not knock up Mary rather Joseph knocked up Mary, or some other boy. I don’t know, I was not there when Mary took to sweating, moaning, groaning and grinning with all probably terminated with a delightful scream, from her throat and metaphorically from her loins.
Just to annoy you, Mary is just another teenage girl who got herself knocked up then blamed this on the wrong boy, God in this case.
Most likely truth is later in the life of Jesus people became so impressed with his words of wisdom, those folks were prompted to invent some story of how he came to be to add legitimacy to his words. This type of deceit continues to this day well exemplified by Obama being escalated to a Nobel prize winning Black Messiah. However, Jesus was a very smart boy full of good wisdom. Obama, well….
I would not be surprised if left liberals start screaming, “Obama was not born in Hawaii nor Kenya! Obama was delivered unto thee by God, delivered to thee in the same manger in Chicago where some old lady‘s cow started a fire which burnt down Chicago to display God’s wrath!”
Not sure who Obama’s parents would be for this, maybe the good reverend Jesse Jackson and one of his mistresses.
Quite the plausible story if you believe in mysticism.
Mysticism set aside, I would like to have sex with God; that boy is bound to be good, really good. Well, probably good if God can still work delightful magic tricks. At His age, though, God probably needs Viagra.
Maybe God dosed Joseph with Viagra to plant a seed in his mind, and elsewhere. Who knows?
Color me irreverent and colorful of mind.
Okpulot Taha
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promise84
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 6:06pmOkpulot Taha has officially jumped the shark.
Report Post »Okpulot Taha
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 10:35pmPROMISE 84 steps back from boat edge, “Okpulot Taha has officially jumped the shark.”
I am the shark. Now please keep your hands and arms inside the ride at all times.
Okpulot Taha
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seayalater73
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 2:50pmI could say almost anything and almost anybody could accuse me of “cuasing” someone to go out and commit suicide. Ridiculous. I think what is most astounding here is the abominal thought processes on the part of PrideinUtah. Forget what they do behind closed doors, the real threat is how they pervert basic logic.
Report Post »andrey1279
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 2:49pmSo the Christians think homosexuality is a Sin, So what. They also believe that God loves you and you can change if you want to. No hate here. Muslims on the other hand think homosexuals are beyond repair and should be decapitated. Go protest them they the ones who hate you not Christians.
Report Post »CHAZIE
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 2:49pmWe have all been given challenges to overcome in life, this was the real message given by Elder Packer. No one says Gays can’t live the lifestyle they choose, they can. But like many things in life, there are consistences to the choices we make. This doesn’t make this easy, just true.
Report Post »BetterDays
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 2:47pmUtah Gay Activists Protest Remarks by Mormon Church Leader
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 2:20pm by Scott Baker Print » Email » SALT LAKE CITY (AP) — Gay rights activists staged a silent protest Thursday outside the headquarters of the Mormon church in Salt Lake City in response to a church leader’s remarks that homosexuality is an immoral condition that can and should be overcome.
The sermon by Boyd K. Packer, president of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, came Sunday during the 180th semiannual general conference of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Salt Lake City.
In his remarks Packer said some would argue that gays “were pre-set and cannot overcome what they feel are inborn tendencies toward the impure and unnatural. Not so! Why would our Heavenly Father do that to anyone?”
“Activists nationwide have called Packer’s remarks hurtful and say they ostracize gay church members and can lead some to consider or attempt suicide.”
Report Post »Well if you weren’t going against what the bible says is “natural use” then perhaps you wouldn’t feel this way. But please don’t cry hurt and pain when you bring it upon youself by your own choices. Soc“I”lism the theologhy of victumhood.
Steve
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 2:45pmI wouldn’t “celebrate” homosexuality anymore than I would alcoholism.
Report Post »leftiesaredangerous
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 2:57pmAmen….“their glory is their shame”.
Report Post »Floyd57
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 4:47pmNo sin is greater than any other sin. Sin is sin. The key to this issue is, “Are you willing to repent (stop doing it, turn your life around) and ask God for forgiveness? Whether a homosexual, serial killer, drunk, drug addict or wall street swindler these are all sins in God‘s eyes and all He’s waiting for is us to come to Him for the cure, to be healed.
Report Post »Mithra
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 12:51pmI’ll drink to that!
Report Post »LaurieG
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 2:44pmMaybe organizer Eric Ethington, should protest here:
http://www.godhatesfags.com/
It‘s looking like it’s free speech.
Report Post »5000YRLEAPER
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 3:30pmI believe that all people have the freedom to choose. Now that being said, I also believe that we all tend to sway towards certain tendencies that are not necessarily in line with the will of God; IE: some people have tendencies to smoke; some to drink; so to do illegal drugs; some to play video games or computer games all day long; some people could watch football or other sports all day long; others love movies; and yes, some people have homosexual tendencies. Needless to say, there are more than I could ever list. It is my belief the way we act upon these tendencies can go two ways, one is in accordance to the will of God and the other is Satan’s path. Now that being said, homosexuality is wrong, it is not the will of God, never has been, never will. He created man and woman for the specific purpose “to multiply and replenish the Earth.” God has also stated that homosexuality is against his will, that is why he flooded the Earth, and destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah (where do you think sodomy came from). Additionally, he has stated it is against His will in various verses in the Bible, if you don’t believe that, you are reading the wrong Bible, or refuse to believe what is stated in there.
Report Post »I agree with Boyd K. Packer!
And this is my conviction. I love and all those who choose to live homosexual, (I have friends and family who are), I do not support their decision to be homosexual, but I will love and pray for them none the less. I know they are fulfilling a need to find love and be loved, though it be in the wrong places. We are all imperfect, we are all sinners, and Jesus loves us all equally the same. With that attitude in mind, I love the sinner, and condemn the sin.
Taquoshi
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 12:48amIt would be interesting to know whether or not the people who were protesting were actually Mormons or if they were just gay people interested in protesting.
I don’t understand it when people expect the church, synagogue or mosque that has an established doctrine and a creed to accommodate their individual lifestyles and their individual choices by “acceptance”, which is another way of saying “approving”.
I guess I have it backwards. I was brought up Roman Catholic and as I grew older, I realized there were issues of doctrine, of theology and of polity in the R.C. Church that I did not agree with. Therefore I left the R.C. church and now am part of what is “Reformed Presbyterian”. I don’t expect other family members who are happy with R.C. doctrine to change their beliefs to accommodate me.
However, I do wonder about a gay family member who continues in the R.C. Church while bitterly hating it because of the church’s stance on homosexuality. I made the mistake of mentioning it once and had my ears blistered. When I was told it was the Church’s decision that homosexuality was wrong and that this was outdated, I pointed out that the R.C. Church’s position on homosexuality was taken from Scripture. The reply that I got was that no one was going to tell my family member what to believe and by the way, no one believes the Bible anyway.
I think the issue is much the same with these people in terms of the Mormon Church. If there is someone who is gay and a Mormon, to me, it’s simple. Leave the church. Find a religious group that has doctrine and creed that one can ascribe to and join that one. No one is holding anyone in any church by force.
People claim that “difficult teaching” has an effect on the congregants. I hope so. That’s why it is taught. Don’t look now, but life is hard and sometimes it doesn’t get any easier.
Report Post »LasVegas Lady
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 2:38pmI recommend listening to or reading the whole talk with an open mind and heart. Check LDS.ORG
Report Post »5000YRLEAPER
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 3:35pmThe Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints will never change their stand on this, EVER! No matter how many people protest, lie down on the street and throw a temper tantrum.
Report Post »Masamune
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 6:23pmYou got that right!!!
Report Post »Joseph_Plumb_Martin
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 7:17pmYou know,until they threaten to take away your tax exempt status.Worked back in 1978
Report Post »Contrarianthinker
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 7:26pmJoseph, you’re referring to the REVELATION that blacks could now nhave full Temple priveleges. Yes, the Mormon Church did withold the Priesthood from blacks. It wssn’t social pressure that brought the chnage. We KNEW it was coming from the very days of the Restoration. Just didn’t know WHEN.
Report Post »Joseph_Plumb_Martin
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 8:31pmSo god told you to be racist until he grew tied of it? Theres a well thought out plan
5000YRLEAPER
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 9:51pmThe Church was not, has not been, nor is it racist. Back in it’s early days, not every male in the church was able to hold the priesthood, even white males, yet they were baptized members alongside black individuals; this is the truth, look it up.
Look at it from this perspective, back when Moses was around, and the Law of Moses was in effect, the Lord commanded that only the son’s of Aaron and all of his descendants are to be the only individuals to hold the priesthood and perform temple ordinances, this out of all the other 11 tribes (millions of people over the years), this remained in effect until the time of Jesus Christ’s ministry. Now, you don’t hear anything in the scriptures about how they were racist, and prejudice against those outside the Tribe of Aaron, NO! The Lord has his reasons for doing such things, and who am I to question God. His ways are higher than our ways, his laws higher than our laws.
Today, God allows all worthy males to hold and administer the priesthood. This is a blessing from God. This is to keep men on the strait and narrow.
Report Post »Joseph_Plumb_Martin
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 11:26pmYou do answer the ancient Israeli’s well of the same race right? They were all Semitic not white or black or Lamanite. And therefore couldn’t have been racist. But I‘m sure as a TBM you’d know this
“Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so” (Journal of Discourses, vol. 10, p. 110).
Report Post »Joseph_Plumb_Martin
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 12:26amYou do know the ancient Israeli’s were of the same race right? Sorry dropped a seer stone on my foot,got distracted
Report Post »Contrarianthinker
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 12:05pmJoseph, what is your true purpose here. It is very obvious to me that you’ve selectively studied Mormon Theology and history and have rejected it. That’s fine with me. Free agency is a gift of God which you don’t beleive there is a God???
Jesus( Johovah of the OT) discriminated concerning His priesthood in the past. Only given to Israel and then ONLY to Levi. Jesus never went to the Gentiles while he was living. Gave the apostolic Priesthood only to Isarelite decendants. Yes, the DISCIMINATION was NOT on color but it was discrimnation. The precedent is set for a temporary witholding of the Priesthood for the decendants of Cain. Is God a RACIST? He certainly has been known to discriminate.
Report Post »Joseph_Plumb_Martin
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 2:39amNah god and I were having beer tonight and he said it’s man that hates.Not him,He also told me Joe Smith was bored on Kolob,apparently theres no teenage girls there
Report Post »jmhammond
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 2:37pmAs a member of the LDS Church I have a hard time with this one. I don’t care if someone is gay or what they believe. The one thing I do know is that God loves all His children and wants them to come home to live with Him. Anyone can choose to live their lives the way they want. It is only between them and God.
Report Post »biggreenboo
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 2:45pmWhy can’t more people feel that way… it would change the world… And yes for the better.
Report Post »leftiesaredangerous
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 2:55pmYou say this because you are biblically illiterate. You’re not helping anyone by condoning sinful behavior. If they’re born with those desires it makes it very difficult even once they come to Christ. But it still doesn’t make it right.
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ClockKing
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 2:55pmBecause the homosexual activists won’t let those who disagree live THEIR lives. They are pushing their agenda on our children and elsewhere. I believe a logical, Christian case could be made for greater inclusion of homosexuals into society, but the activists keep trying to shove it down our throats rather than talk to us. That is why their “lifestyle” is being rejected by 70% of the people.
Report Post »FreedomOfSpeech
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 2:56pm@jmhammond I’m not LDS but I am a Christian and I agree with you on this one. I don’t care what people do as long as it does not negatively impact me or my family. The only issue I have with homosexuals is the recent effort on their part to allow blood donations. I think that’s a really bad idea because (like it or not) they are a high-risk group for HIV.
Report Post »AZBabe
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 2:58pmApparently you haven’t read the Bible…it clearly states that homosexuality is a sin…are you really a Mormon or just trying to justify your confused views on this issue.
Report Post »Uncle Sambo Lives Here
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 3:05pmAmen, Clokking. I don’t care about people who live different lives — what I can’t STAND are those who have to bring their sexuality to the forefront of every. freakin’. thing.
Report Post »El Paco
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 3:14pm@ Abaze – There are LDS people who believe that way. I know a few who really do. I, however, am LDS and do not believe that way. I am a firm believer that most people who are gay have been brainwashed into being gay through an accepting culture and liberal media. I content that the number of people who, if not ever provided with influencing media one way or the other, would be gay is possibly 0.000000000000000000000000001% of people who claim to be homosexual (give or take a few zeros). It is something that can be overcame, but the person must be willing to submit to God and let repentance work.
Report Post »AmericanPatriot01
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 3:33pmThe catholics believe that these people, and those like them in the past, have missed their calling to be servants of God and made them preists. But that backfired when they refused to honor their oath of celebacy.
ronaldusmaximus
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 4:21pmjmhammond, I also happen to be lds and I don’t know why this should come as a surprise to you. What part of the eternal plan of happiness and the importance of morality and the importance of celestial marriage did you not understand? When was the last time you went to church? This is not new doctrine. It has always been this way, from the beginning.
Report Post »frgough
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 4:23pmLove does not equal permissiveness. This is a concept many people have a hard time understanding.
Report Post »NoName22
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 4:25pmAmen AmericanPatriot.
Jesus is against sexual immorality. Homosexuality is just as bad as heterosexual activity out of wedlock. It is strictly for pleasure and has no purpose.
Report Post »NoName22
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 4:27pm@Frgough
Amen. To second that, something I heard on the radio
“Tolerance is for people, not principles.”
Report Post »ronaldusmaximus
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 4:36pmjmhammond, I apologize for the harshness of my previous post. The problem though is that these people are not living their lives between themselves and God. They are trying to bring everyone else into their lives as well. When they started trying to change marriage, they made it my business. When they protest my church for its beliefs, they made it my business. When they try to indoctrinate children in school that it’s not immoral to be gay, they make it my business. When the entire community and country is suffering because of a moral deficiency brought about because of the sexual revolution and especially gay activism, they made it my business.
The country has been in decline since they removed any mention of God and morality from schools in the 60′s. Test scores amongst children have steadily declined since then. Rates of divorce and crime have also increased.
You may think that the way they live their lives has no effect on you, but you’d be totally wrong.
Report Post »Contrarianthinker
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 4:55pmHammond, WADR, you don’t know the teachiungs/doctrines of the Restored Gospel very well
Report Post »walkwithme1966
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 5:24pm“chose to live their life” I have a question – why would someone chose to be gay – to be made fun of for your entire life, to be scorned by most churches, to be rejected by family and friends. Do you really believe gays picks this lifestyle for themselves – do you? Because if you do then that is the stupidest thing I have ever heard!!
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Report Post »ronaldusmaximus
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 5:40pmwalkwithme1966, do you realize you just described pretty much any member of the LDS church. Here let me rephrase your post, but I’ll replace references to gay with mormon. And yes, we do choose to live this life, but I understand why it is difficult. So, I don’t understand your reasoning.
-I have a question – why would someone choose to be mormon– to be made fun of for your entire life, to be scorned by most churches, to be rejected by family and friends. Do you really believe mormons picks this lifestyle for themselves – do you?
To answer your question, yes, absolutely. Because I know my life has been blessed by following the gospel. The road to salvation was not meant to be easy, but we are blessed for doing the things that are hard. So, I know that those that choose to be gay will be blessed if they repent and choose to follow the gospel. If people listened to the words they would understand that Elder Packer’s message was one of love. The LDS church does not reject its members that choose to be gay, we show them love and try to bring them back to the fold. We are saddened that they choose to reject the teachings of the gospel.
Report Post »tecfall
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 6:32pmYou are correct that it is between the individual and God. The scriptures are very clear on Gods stance on this topic. Gods word does not change to meet the needs of society or a group of individuals.
Report Post »FreedomOfSpeech
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 8:48pm@walkwithme1966 I agree with you on this one. I know some gay people who struggled through much of their lives, trying to fit in. I don’t think any of them would have chosen that life. I’d rather see them embrace who they are than hate themselves for something that is beyond their control. That said, I don’t think anyone “needs” to know if someone is gay any more than anyone needs to know my preferred sexual behaviors.
Report Post »bullcrapbuster
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 2:02amParents love their children but sometimes one of the older children wants to do things ie drugs.wild parties etc.that would spoil it for all the others that want peacful lives, so the disobedient are sent to live somewhere else. Think about it. How can it be heaven if it is full of thieves, adulterers,liars, pimps etc. The scriptures tell us what heaven is like and how to get there. (repent and follow the teachings of Jesus Christ) If I don’t like the his rules I guess I will have to go live somewhere else. What is so hard to understand about that.
Report Post »Jscools
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 7:21pmThat’s a noble position. Here is a point as you all argue scripture for better or worse. The act itself is counter life which even if you are Darwin you have to agree with. We are the only species who do it. Everyone knows in their hearts what it is. Even those engaged. I’ve known a lot of G & L in my day and I would say underneath the universal sarcasm they all seem to share there is desperate sadness. I do feel a little sympathy for G & L because like victims they constantly see themselves as, their time is spent looking for an oppressor as if beating that oppressor will somehow fill some thing they are missing and make them whole.Right now I would argue they have more rights than I do. Whatever. The problem is they are organizing to infiltrate on me while I sit home minding my own business raising my kids. I don’t fell like teaching my kids “Dick & Dick“ I like ”Dick & Jane”. Most who argue for “don‘t ask don’t tell” are not in the military. 1000′s of kids kill themselves for less every year. My kid brother died in a car crash, the other three walked away. Should I blame the driver or the car company? Of course not. But I digress. Those who say “live and let live” are fine, however once the marriage act and military have passed in the 50 states, there will be tons of lawsuits by the ACLU demanding that YOUR CHURCH, perform gay weddings. And seeing as they all enjoy 501c status. The weak ones will slowly but surely comply thus changing this society forever. And if you think they think your a bigot now… just wait.
Report Post »SeekerofTruth
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 2:32pmA mortal man cannot recant God’s truth!!! It is wrong and immoral. However, that does not mean we cannot love those and pray for redemption for all. The Holy Spirit will convict the hearts of those in this lifestyle… it is Satan who leads them to death. Don’t put that on God.
Report Post »wingedwolf
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 2:30pmWhen are mortals going to let God do His job and stop trying to take it on themselves?
Report Post »Tore
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 3:11pmWhen Jesus returns and sets the world right.
Report Post »Thomas Payne
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 3:32pmHow come he only gets to rule his kingdom for 1000 years? Does he have some sort of lease agreement with the Chinese or something?
Report Post »Floyd57
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 4:10pmThomas,
Report Post »After the 1000 years in heaven to view the lambs book of life is completed that’s when the s&^% really hits the fan and satan and all of his followers turn to toast from the fire and brimstone, also call the “lake of fire”. Jesus is in charge as we speak. He’s in total control right now. Jesus allows satan to continue his works on us and this planet so we Jesus comes the second time, everyone will know who satan actually is, the great deceiver! All that is bad is satan. All sin comes from satan. We’re all fooled by satan, that‘s why we’re sinners.
frgough
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 4:22pmAccording to LDS doctrine, Boyd K. Packer is a prophet. Therefore God IS taking matters into his own hands, and, just like in the Bible, warning the people through his prophets.
Report Post »Floyd57
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 4:36pmActs 2:17-18 (NIV) In the last days, God says, I will pour out my spirit on all people, Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams. Even on my servants, both men and women, I will pour out my spirit in those days and they will prophesy.
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Caution satan will do the same! How do you tell who’s who? Who’s correct? The ones that quotes God’s word exactly as written in the bible. It must be 100% exact otherwise, you just met a false prophet! You had better know God’s word otherwise, you will be deceived!
Contrarianthinker
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 4:50pmThomas. to answer your mocking question:
Jesus Rules on this earth for 1000 years to help those resurrected in the morning of the firast resurraection and those living at the 2nd coming to do Temple work for the billions of those who never had a real chance to accept or reject Christ. Satan will then be unloosed for a season to teat those who “converted” Then comes the Final Judgement where everyone will bow his/her kneee before Christ and receive the just rewards for their life: be assigned to one of four kingdoms. The earth will br transformed to a Celestial sphere and continue eternally. Conclusion: Jesus reigns forever, not 1000 years.
You can think this is silly but it is what the LDS Church teaches.
Report Post »Contrarianthinker
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 4:53pmFloyd very faqir question. IF one follows the following, one cannot be deceived by Lucifer. Four conditions MUST be met to know 100% that the HG and not Lucifer is speaking.
The HG will:
1. Speak to your mind (intellect) AND
2. speak to your heart (emotions) AND
3. and shall dwell in your heart
The first three can be done by Lucifer but nOT the last condition.
If you wish to know what that is search Galatians 5.
The SURE TEST. HG CANNOT LIE.
Report Post »Floyd57
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 5:23pmContrarianthinker,
Your correct in the three ways. Satan watches our every move, learns our choices, what we like, what we dislike and then he puts his game plan together to nail us. He onbly see our outter person but learns much. BUT, when we are filled with the Holy Spirit and fully surrender (become a living sacrifice for God)..“He who is in us is stronger than he who is in the world” , we no longer let our old ways and desires control us because we live by the Holy Spirit.
Galatians 5 is a great chapter..“Freedom in Christ”, “Life by the Spirit”, “Fruit of the Spirit” which is Love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. All provided by God!
Report Post »Floyd57
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 5:44pmThe 1000 years does not take place on this planet. It takes place in heaven. When Jesus comes the second time the bible says (see 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 NIV) Verse 16 states, For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel and with the trumpet call of God and the dead in Christ will rise first. Verse 17 After that , we who are still alive and are left will be CAUGHT UP TOGETHER WITH THEM IN THE CLOUDS TO MEET THE LORD IN THE AIR. Jesus does not touch this place until the third coming which is after the 1000 years.
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, After the millenium (1000 years) is completed, Jesus’ third coming takes place and the city “New Jerusalem” comes down from heaven and places itself on the mount of olives. This is when satan and all of his followers burn to ashes and all sin is destroyed.
Joseph_Plumb_Martin
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 8:02pm@ Thomas, Joe Smith likes to raise the rent on his property after the first 1000 year lease is up and JC doesn’t play that game.
Report Post »Joseph8
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 10:17pm@CONTRARIANTHINKER
i’ll say it again, I’m Mormon and you embarrass me. Especially with your being a 9/11 truther. I don’t think any of what you say helps anyone, especially with the way that you say it. You sound very pompous and prideful.
Contrarianthinker
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 11:55am8, so my being a 911 truther like many other mormons are makes me a bad spokeperson for the Restored Church. I’m curious what it means to be bold as commanded by Christ and many prophets. Maybe you’re right about me but explain what it means to be bold in your testimony. OK?
Report Post »Joseph8
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 4:39pm@contrarian
Report Post »well first off the purpose of a testimony is to testify of CHRIST, not some wacko conspiracy theory that you want to believe in. Being bold in your testimony means testifying of CHRIST boldly. Everything is about CHRIST, thats where youre getting confused. just dont try to make it like the church backs up your 9/11 truther crazy ideas
Contrarianthinker
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 7:01pm8: you’re right, I just spent 2 1/2 years of my life on my own money with my wife preaching boldly for Christ. I actually retired early so I could go to Nauvoo. As a member, I speak boldly for Christ everyday.
IMO, 911 is part of what God commands tevery saint to watch out for in Ether 8.. and to expose and fight. Now you may deny this scripture or say it doesn’t apply possible to 911. Tha’s your choice.
I’m a member of the Winston-Salem. NC Stake, Pilot Mountain Ward. My name is Doug Schell. You can check.
I have no proof that you’re even LDS. Many, many fakers do this to start dissension among the saints.
So who are you and what Stake and Ward are you a member of? I will assume you are a fake if the info is NOT provided.
Report Post »Joseph8
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 9:39pm@contrarian
Report Post »now you are trying to use the scriptures to justify your crazy conspiracy theories. And you go on and boast of your service, proving to me again you are very prideful. You need to tone it down when you try to share the gospel. You come on here with complete strangers and people that have little idea of our religion talking about “telestial life”, “4 kingdoms”, “Temple work in the millennium”, and in other posts you talk about adam ondi ahman. If you think that you‘re helping anyone by telling people these things when they have little or no knowledge of the church’s teachings, you are crazier than the average 9/11 truther. you can send me an email at jstarrs8@yahoo.com
Citizen
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 9:40pmhmmm when Christ gave the so called great commission look in scripture who was around him. It was his chosen 12. He was telling men who were going to give their lives to the cause because they were CHOSEN to go and spread the word, he wasnt saying it to proud fools who think they would preach Christ but their vain and proud actions show contrary.
just like pharisees many modern day christians claim to know God but their actions say otherwise
now here is the thing about spreading and preaching the gospel – dont do it like a fool
before you think you are chosen to spread the gospel – can the holy spirit through you heal a leper ? can you pray and stop it from raining ? can you get bitten by a viper and shake it off ?
when you do those things as well then go preach with power, till then you better stop and think why do i think i can preach when i cant do those things.
Report Post »biggreenboo
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 2:28pmi take it back… i didn’t know his name was Packer… Hee hee hee
FromtheBasement
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 2:53pmPerhaps you need to grow up a bit, BigGreen. Even my teenager knows better that to spout “jokes” like that. I suspect you do, too.
Report Post »FreedomOfSpeech
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 2:57pmI know you are trolling everyone but that made me laugh. When I read the headline I thought it said “Ultra Gay Activists Protest Remarks.” I was like, “As opposed to just regular gay?” Ha.
Report Post »Thommy
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 3:11pmwell said From.
Report Post »biggreenboo
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 3:17pmDad? It’s me!!!!!
YHBT
Report Post »AmericanPatriot01
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 3:25pmpacker… HAHAHAHAHA! It is their choice i guess. Why would they expect the church to condone their actions. Are you serious. Almost all churches realize that gay (natural or not) is a sin against god. I would be critical of any religous leader that would apologize for following the word of god! Even the muslims realize that gays are self defeating and a sin.
I don’t care if your gay, I don’t protest your beliefs. Just don’t be surprised or offended when you are critisized for having violated an ancient truth. Do you really expect the church, any church or religion to alter their perception of sin for you and your lifestyle? GIVE ME A BREAK!!!
Next thing you know there will be murderers protesting the churches stance on killing!
Report Post »5000YRLEAPER
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 3:29pmI believe that all people have the freedom to choose. Now that being said, I also believe that we all tend to sway towards certain tendencies that are not necessarily in line with the will of God; IE: some people have tendencies to smoke; some to drink; so to do illegal drugs; some to play video games or computer games all day long; some people could watch football or other sports all day long; others love movies; and yes, some people have homosexual tendencies. Needless to say, there are more than I could ever list. It is my belief the way we act upon these tendencies can go two ways, one is in accordance to the will of God and the other is Satan’s path. Now that being said, homosexuality is wrong, it is not the will of God, never has been, never will. He created man and woman for the specific purpose “to multiply and replenish the Earth.” God has also stated that homosexuality is against his will, that is why he flooded the Earth, and destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah (where do you think sodomy came from). Additionally, he has stated it is against His will in various verses in the Bible, if you don’t believe that, you are reading the wrong Bible, or refuse to believe what is stated in there.
Report Post »I agree with Boyd K. Packer!
Yet, this is my conviction. I love and all those who choose to live homosexual, (I have friends and family who are), I do not support their decision to be homosexual, but I will love and pray for them none the less. I know they are fulfilling a need to find love and be loved, though it be in the wrong places. We are all imperfect, we are all sinners, and Jesus loves us all equally the same. With that attitude in mind, I love the sinner, and condemn the sin.
5000YRLEAPER
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 3:43pm“The wicked taketh the truth the be hard.”
Breaker 19
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 4:27pmI too believe that every person has the right to choose.
I choose to go to Heaven by obeying God’s word. Some may choose to go to hell by not obeying God’s word. This concept is called – FREE WILL.
Every person is “entitled to an opinion, but no one is entitled to his/her individual facts. God’s Word is absolute…(that means FACT)…Remember we are the humans (created) and He is God (Creator) -
Report Post »biggreenboo
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 2:25pmIt’s Friday… i ain’t touchin this one.
Report Post »cubber
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 3:00pmFreedom of speech. Both ways. Bravo to all.
Breaker 19
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 3:02pmI’ll take this one…
Hey Alternate Lifestylers,
The unclean spirit needs to be driven out of your soul. Christians love you, we just don’t accept your alternate lifestyle. Jesus came to set captives free – spiritually, not to justify your sins – naturally. Be freed from the captivity of Sin and go and Sin no more. Run from any Christian who says that you can be saved and still Sin, that Christian claims a form of religion but denies the power of the Jesus to set you free from your desire to sin – just a hypocrite (Ouch – this will step on the toes of most Christians’ belief that they can still live like the devil and go to Heaven – they will be quick to say that it is impossible to live without committing sin)…Man cannot live free from Sin alone, it takes the spiritual blood of Jesus to drive that spirit out of your soul, once you get the dark spirit out, the Holy Spirit will take up residence and you will have been born again – SO, if you claim that you are the way you are from birth – then you need to be born again of the Spirit and you will be free from your sinful ways (this goes for everyone who is guilty of sin) and empowered by God to live sinfree – should you turn back to your old ways, well, it would have been better for you to have never been born again spiritually, because you would be “twice dead” and plucked up from the roots – if this happens, you would have blasphemed the Holy Ghost – THE only unforgivable sin – God Bless You and read your Bible!
SamAdams
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 3:22pm@Breaker 19 – Absolutely Correct. And I’ll add this: His remarks were not just for those who are homosexual but also those that adulterate, fornicate and are consumers of pornography. All of these sins constitute sexual deviancy and can be healed through the mercy, grace and love that is in Christ Jesus. The problem really is not totally in the sin. Sin really is only a symptom of the overall issue. It is our reluctance and sometimes inability to allow Him to save us that keeps us mired in sin and “self doubt.”
I know many that have strong sexual desires both ways that have overcome their sins because they have given them to Jesus to carry.
Report Post »5000YRLEAPER
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 3:23pmI believe that all people have the freedom to choose. Now that being said, I also believe that we all tend to sway towards certain tendencies that are not necessarily in line with the will of God; IE: some people have tendencies to smoke; some to drink; so to do illegal drugs; some to play video games or computer games all day long; some people could watch football or other sports all day long; others love movies; and yes, some people have homosexual tendencies. Needless to say, there are more tendencies than I could ever list. It is my belief the way we act upon these tendencies can go two ways, one is in accordance to the will of God and the other is Satan’s path. Now that being said, homosexuality is wrong, it is not the will of God, never has been, never will. He created man and woman for the specific purpose “to multiply and replenish the Earth.” God has also stated that homosexuality is against his will, that is why he flooded the Earth, and destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah (where do you think sodomy came from). Additionally, he has stated it is against His will in various verses in the Bible, if you don’t believe that, you are reading the wrong Bible, or refuse to believe what is stated in there.
Yet, this is my conviction. I love and all those who choose to live homosexual, (I have friends and family who are), I do not support their decision to be homosexual, but I will love and pray for them none the less. I know they are fulfilling a need to find love and be loved, though it be in the wrong places. We are all imperfect, we are all sinners, and Jesus loves us all equally the same. With that attitude in mind, I love the sinner, and condemn the sin.
5000YRLEAPER
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 3:35pmOne more thing, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints will never change their stand on this, EVER! No matter how many people protest, lie down on the street and throw a temper tantrum.
Report Post »Robert W
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 3:40pmI support their right to protest PEACEFULLY. But nothings going to change the fact that Homosexuality is a disorder. The gay lobby has spent alot of money on research trying to find the “gay gene”….didnt find it….doesnt exist. I pray that have the strength to beat the disorder.
Report Post »5000YRLEAPER
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 3:42pmThe Word of God will not always be popular, but it is what needs to be heard!
Report Post »ronaldusmaximus
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 4:03pmI completely agree with 5000yrleaper, the lds church is never going to change its stance on this issue. The efforts of these activists is futile. The lds church is not like some other churches that have changed their doctrine based on pressures from activists. The church will never give the priesthood to women, and gay marriage will never be accepted by the church, and it will never be accepted that homosexuality is hereditary. The lds church has survived 180 years under constant persecution. The lds church has passed through the refiners fire and comes out stronger after each attack like this.
I have something to say specifically to these so called homosexual mormons. If you actually attended church, this talk should come as no surprise to them. Please don’t express false outrage at a talk such as this. The church has always taught this. Honestly, it should be no surprise to any gay activist. They all know the churches stance on homosexuality, they’ve just been waiting for another opportunity like this to pick on the mormons.
NoName22
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 4:10pmMatthew 10:34-39 (KJ)
” 34Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household.
37He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
38And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
39He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.”
The truth is harder than anything to adhere to. I do not have an alternate lifestyle, nor am I a perfect Christian, let alone perfect at all. Jesus preached individual salvation. Those living an alternate lifestyle, you know where to go and what to read, it’s up to you to do it.
And if you choose not to, there are still plenty of kids that live in foster homes that wouldn’t mind moving out.
Report Post »ronaldusmaximus
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 4:10pmJust a couple more thoughts on the subject.
If homosexuality was hereditary, even if it’s a recessive gene, wouldn‘t this gene have been removed from the gene pool a long time ago since gays can’t technically reproduce unless they use some sort of scientific method.
One more thought on the subject of these suicides because of supposed bullying. Doesn’t this imply a deeper emotional problem? Couldn’t it be that some of these people are gay because they suffer from other emotional problems? Perhaps they feel rejected and feel only accepted amongst the gay community. I’m just postulating that their homosexuality and their suicidal tendencies could be symptoms of the same emotional problems. Did the gay community ever think to consider this?
Breaker 19
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 4:12pm5000YRLEAPER
We are all sinners until we are reborn – (to start anew) – to continue in sin is a choice, when freedom of this “disorder” is available each day by Jesus.
Robert W
If there was a gene it would be in the shape of a pitchfork – Jesus died to break the curse of mankind – SIN – This curse has been passed down in the souls of man ever since Adam failed in the Garden – Go back to the original sin for your answer of why and Accept today the original cure – JESUS.
Choosing a Religious doctrine over the word of God has caused this confusion. If we accept the Bible as our benchmark of Truth, then our opinion of the word does not change God’s word. HE WHO SINS IS OF THE DEVIL (1Jo 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.) -Stop the SIN (works of the flesh, etc) and you will get IN! God has no respect of person, nor do I (My opinion is that God has no respect of Religion, and no matter what your doctrine is, IF you will accept His word He will accept you — If not, then not.)
Report Post »NoName22
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 4:16pmBy the way……..the homosexual community can do what they please, live how they want, again individual salvation. Just like anything else, as long as it isn’t bringing harm to me or my doorstep, I don’t have issue with it.
Report Post »Breaker 19
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 4:49pmLuk 14:34
Salt [is] good: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be seasoned?
A question for those who understand, “Would you save a child that was drowning in a lake, eventhough you are not in danger and you visibly see the No Swimming sign properly posted?”
How would you answer noname?
Report Post »Breaker 19
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 5:02pmMy answer is yes, I would try to save the Child – If we do not declare to a lost and dying world that they can have real HOPE & CHANGE in Jesus and not B.H.Obama, then what good is it to have a voice and not use it.
Complacency toward obvious sin and the willingness to live and let live has brought us to the place we are today. Be willing to be salt to a lost and dying world my friends.
Have a great weekend, Breaker 19 is off the air.
Report Post »Mizurax
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 5:27pmBreaker 19,
Report Post »I encourage you to tread lightly on this topic of sin. Becoming a Christian (of any denomination) or being “reborn” as you refer to it, does not mean you will become sin free. Stating so, I believe, is one of the key reasons why so many are turned off by Christianity. Choosing to follow God gives one the strength to overcome sin, to struggle against it. It does not mean Christians become perfect, it means they are more open to recognizing when they sin, and actively trying to do something about it. We all sin. We always will. The question is, what are you doing about it…
untameable-kate
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 5:28pmMan, you got that right CUBBER. People need to suck it up and stop getting thier feelings hurt over other peoples beliefs. I don’t believe there are mormon kids killing themselves over this.
Report Post »NoName22
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 6:23pm@Breaker19
I would save the child, as it seems they lack the ability to swim. But saving someone from a “spritual characteristic” is up to the individual (individual salvation.)
If I swim out to the child and attempt to save them, and they swim away from me and break my grip, and yell at me to not save them, I mean, I will continue to attempt it, but I cannot stay afloat forever, I only have so much energy. Eventually, if the resistance becomes greater than my ability to swim, should I save myself or drown with the child?
Report Post »Robert W
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 6:31pmWell said BREAKER19. Everybody throws around “judge not, lest you be judged”. But a more accurate translation is “condemn not, lest you be condemned”. I have no right to say someone will go to hell- thats Gods business. But if I love my brother or sister who is in mortal sin I will tell them the truth out of love.
Report Post »deja33
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 6:50pmquestion for Untameable-Kate Have you heard of Marie Osmond?
Report Post »777phase
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 6:58pm@BREAKER19 Amen Brother!! You said it RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Report Post »brwrrandp
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 6:58pmI have read all the comments on the homosexual just “choosing” to be free or changing their lifestyle… Homosexuals are not born that way, it is something that has taken root over time… I am not sure what sparks it (childhood experiences, fathering, mothering etc.) but if it is not dealt with early on, it is extremely hard to be delivered from it… I am a completely hetrosexual man; but have seen a very close freind get free from that lifestyle; which took years and tons of God’s grace. I am told the the success rate of a homosexual being delivered “set free” is less than 10%. So to tell someone to just make a new choice (even if they have turned to Christ) is immature to say the least… how many of you have known someone that has COMPLETELY escaped that life style…? There is hope for them, but it is a long road. We need to not accept the life style (it is sin) but help any way we can to set them free.
Report Post »Joseph_Plumb_Martin
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 7:14pmWell as long as they tithe it’ll leave more young women free to marry right?
Report Post »Joseph_Plumb_Martin
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 7:39pm“The dangers I speak of come from the gay-lesbian movement, the feminist movement (both of which are relatively new), and the ever-present challenge from the so-called scholars or intellectuals.” Boyd K Packer Talk to the All-Church Coordinating Council, May 18, 1993
Report Post »Joseph_Plumb_Martin
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 8:05pm“A young man should learn to rule his body. Like his temper, he should keep it always under complete control.”
“This is a very sacred power. The Lord has commanded that you use it only with one to whom you are legally and lawfully wedded. He has decreed serious penalties indeed for the misuse of it.”
“Do not tamper with your body. If you have already, cease to do it –now. Put it away and overcome it. The signal of worthy manhood is self-control.”
“This power of creation affects your life several years before you should express if fully. You must always guard the power with many wisdom. You must wait until the time of your marriage to use it.”
“During that waiting, what do you do with theses desires? My boy, you are to control them. You are forbidden to use them now in order that you may use them with worthiness and virtue and fullness of joy at the proper time in life.”
“This little factory moves quietly into operation as a normal and expected pattern of growth and begins to produce the lifegiving substance. It will do so perhaps as long as you live. It works very slowly. That is the way it should be. For the most part, unless you tamper with it, you will hardly be aware that it is working at all.”
“As you move closer to manhood, this little factory will sometimes produce an oversupply of this substance. The Lord has provided a way for that to be released. It will happen without any help or without any resistance from you.”
“There is; however, something you should not do. Sometimes a young man does not understand. Perhaps he is encouraged by unwise or unworthy companions to tamper with that factory. He might fondle himself and open that release valve. This you shouldn’t do, for if you do that, the little factory will speed up. You will then be tempted again and again to release it. You can quickly be subjected to a habit, one that is not worthy, one that will leave you feeling depressed and feeling guilty. Resist that temptation. Do not be guilty of tampering or playing with this sacred power of creation. Keep it in reserve for the time when it can be righteously employed.”
Church-wide pamphlet “For Young Men Only” – Boyd K Packer
Report Post »Joseph8
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 9:57pmIf the gays understood the history of the Mormon church, they would understand that their “silent protests” aren’t going to change anything. This church and its members were driven out of states at gunpoint, had their property illegally seized, had a governor sign an extermination order against them, and had their members murdered and raped all because of their beliefs. I really don’t care if you think my religion is weird, my point is that we went through all of this because we believe in our cause and silent protests aren’t really going to do anything. we still love you but I fear God more than I fear man
Report Post »Joseph8
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 10:06pm@JOSEPH_PLUMB_MARTIN
Report Post »I don’t know your purpose of posting that but if you are trying to mock those teachings, you might be surprised that a lot of people believe self control to be important
byss
Posted on October 8, 2010 at 10:58pmIf you are a Christian and believe in the bible, here are a few scripture references concerning marriage and homosexuality:
Genesis 2:24 “Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife (not another man): and they shall be one flesh.”
Mark 2:6-9 “But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife: (not another man)
And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.
What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.”
Leviticus 18:22 “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination”
Deuteronomy 23:17 “There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.”
Romans 1:26-27 “For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.”
1 Corinthians 6:9 “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind–”
1 Timothy 1:8-10 “But we know that the law is good if a man use it lawfully;
Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
For whoremongers for THEM THAT DEFILE THEMSELVES WITH MANKIND, for men stealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine.”
This type of behavior has been one of the major reasons for the downfall of nations from the beginning. This nation was formed on Christian principles and a God fearing people who came to this land so they could worship God according to the dictates of their own conscious. Our founding fathers were good and honorable Christians. George Washington prayed to God at Valley Forge to help this nation in the war of Independence. Abraham Lincoln said…”that if we in America fail to serve Jesus Christ, we will face certain destruction”.
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Posted on October 9, 2010 at 5:05am@BigGreenBoo – “It’s Friday… i ain’t touchin this one.”
The problem with America is … NOT touching problems, let alone dealing with them.
The sex-crimes problem (among others) is not being dealt with. Were true laws and true justice being observed in this country, all those self-proclaimed perverts would be investigated, tried, and, if found guilty of sodomy, put to death …. publicly, so America would see and fear to do evil.
“My work here is done. I’m needed elsewhere now. I’m needed wherever outlaws rule the west.” – sheriff Bart, Blazing Saddles
mikemorrison281
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 5:20am“The lds church is not like some other churches that have changed their doctrine based on pressures from activists.”
ARE YOU KIDDING? That‘s ALL the LDS church has done since it’s moronic beginning. It’s been evolving since Joseph Smith first made it all up from pieces of Freemasonry, Islam, Christianity, and other goofy ideas that couldn’t possibly survive scrutiny today. Over the decades, they’ve moderated dozens of theological positions including why black people have black skin. Their skewing of Biblical passages is only surpassed by Jehovah’s Witnesses.
I’m fine with anyone believing whatever they want, but do not confuse the LDS church or its’ beliefs as mainstream Christianity. The core orthodox beliefs in the cult of Mormonism are diametrically opposed to those of orthodox Christian beliefs. Jesus is not an angel. Jesus is not the brother of Satan. God was never a man who became a god. “Heavenly Father” IS God, not A god. You cannot save someone out of hell or judgement. If you die without Christ—the one that is God, not angel—you’re eternally separated from God.
God doesn’t judge gays any harsher than anyone else or for that matter, any other sin. What is different are the consequences for certain sins. If I sexually lust for a woman who is not my wife, Jesus says that‘s a sin and that I’ve had sex with her in my heart. It’s a sin. What is different, though, is that I didn’t participate in a physical sin that could have physical consequences: pregnancy, std’s, emotional stress…lust grieves God as any other sin does, but it doesn’t have physical negative effects.
Report Post »Max jones
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 7:18amIf i were a chronic rapist, and I go to church, I am still a rapist, not a Chritian. If I am an unrepentant thief, I am not a Chritian. If I am an unrepentant sinner of ANY sort, I am NOT a Christian. To be a Christian I must REPENT, even if I have to do it 490 times every day. I repent any time I need to. I am a Christian
Report Post »Any Pastor that preaches any thing else commits a greater sin. Homosexuality is an abomination before the LORD. Any one who says differently is not Christian. Homosexuals MUST be told the truth of God’s word. If any of these dies in iniquity, believing he/she is NOT sinning in his/her homosexuality. the greater judgement is upon he/she who told him it was O.K..
In turn, any one who does not believe that Christ is the resurected Son of God is NOT saved. and thus go the mormans. To me it is like the pot calling the kettle black
Max jones
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 7:35amThe sin is not the attraction **** sexuals have on members of the same sex, it is the practice of having sex with a member of the same sex. But we live in a hypersexualized world where absinence, apparently, is not an option. So, you see. the homosexual CAN be “saved”, but he/she must stop committing the sin. and repent of the sin. According to God’s Word, sex is reserved to HOLY matrimony,(man and woman married before God himself.) This a rebellious world, and will reap the wages of sin.
Report Post »Do you fear the end of the world? Do you wonder about your own fate? Accept Jesus Christ as the Son of God, the first to resurrect and the end of the world will be YOUR payday, not your demise. Pray continually, cherish the Word…………….max
Contrarianthinker
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 11:50amMike Morris, yes Mormon Theology excepts living prophets unlike you. I could make the same argument you did as a Jew. The New Testament changed many things through the 12 Apostles. Many Jews couldn’t accept this and the changes.
FYI, as in the Bible, prophets speak with God directly. When God decides that it is time to reveal additional knowledge, He will do so. Perhaps someday, God may command something different about homosexuals. I doubt it but unlike you are your friends, I don’t put any manmade limit on what God can and cannot do.
Report Post »cdavehere
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 2:02pmSuicide is a completely selfish act performed by people who care more for themselves than the people that care for them. There are other decisions than suicide. Blame cannot be laid on a church for someones’s selfish choice to take the easy way out. What is wrong with them? Not only are they homosexual, they are also cowards. Don’t like something? Stand up for yourself. Don’t kill yourself. Please, what a joke. Yeah the churches beliefs that have been around for thousands of years cause these people to kill themselves. I think there parents are responsible. Why didn’t they show their children any alternatives. Why didn’t they empower thier child to stand up and fight instead of throwing up the eternal white flag. Coward’s kill themselves.
It is a choice. It will always be a choice. A heterosexual can choose to behave in a homosexual manner. Just as, A homosexual can choose to behave in a heterosexual manner. Whether you believe its biological or not it is still a choice.
Reasonable men resist the testosterone driven urges in them everyday. That is a proven biological stimulas. However when a married man chooses to give in to these urges, over which he has no biological control, he is crucified. Giving in to sexual urges is a choice. BEHAVING IN A HOMOSEXUAL MANNER IS A CHOICE.
Report Post »Jim AZ
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 3:43pm@ Breaker19: I find your take to be a little off and abrupt; your definitions inaccurate. Think of: “I, the Lord God, will forgive whom I will. Of you it is required to forgive all men.” Consider the instructions for forgiving 7 times and promised blessings for forgiving 70 times. Blasphemy against the Holy Ghost is best defined as rebelling against God after obtaining a FULL knowledge of Jesus Christ–That would be a complete understanding of the plan of salvation and His role therein.
Report Post »Often, I think, it is the fear of already being lost that thwarts attempts at repentance. I find your take to contribute to that, and to be in conflict with Packer’s message.
easttexas828
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 3:49amAnyone can be saved even homosexuals. All it takes is faith alone in Christ alone, which is the belief that Jesus Christ is the son of god and your lord and personal savor. He was crucified and judged for all of mankind’s sins and was found righteous. He was judged instead of you.
The Bible teaches “once saved, always saved” — that we can be saved once and for all only through a repentant, saving faith in Jesus Christ. Once a person has accepted Christ as Savior, they may wonder if it is possible to lose that salvation. What if they commit a sin? What if they commit a lot of sins? What if they do something very, very wrong? Is it possible to be saved, and then lose that salvation? Fortunately, the answer is a resounding “no.” Once a person has accepted Jesus Christ as Savior, he/she is forever saved. This fact is referred to as the doctrine of “eternal security,” often summarized as “once saved, always saved.”
There are several reasons why a person can be confident in their “eternal security.” First and foremost is the evidence of Scripture. John 3:15-18 says about Christ: “The Son of Man must be lifted up, that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life. For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.”
The salvation in Christ is not temporary, it is eternal.
In John 10:28-30, Jesus says: “I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.” The forgiveness of God through Christ is sufficient to cover all of our sins — past, present, and future. There is nothing a person can do that God cannot forgive. This doctrine is supported by Romans 8:38-39, Ephesians 4:30, and Jude 24, among others.John 3:16 (New International Version)
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Posted on October 10, 2010 at 4:30amAnyone can be saved even homosexuals. All it takes is faith alone in Christ alone, which is the belief that Jesus Christ is the son of god and your lord and personal savor. He was crucified and judged for all of mankind’s sins and was found righteous. He was judged instead of you.
The Bible teaches “once saved, always saved” — that we can be saved once and for all only through a repentant, saving faith in Jesus Christ. Once a person has accepted Christ as Savior, they may wonder if it is possible to lose that salvation. What if they commit a sin? What if they commit a lot of sins? What if they do something very, very wrong? Is it possible to be saved, and then lose that salvation? Fortunately, the answer is a resounding “no.” Once a person has accepted Jesus Christ as Savior, he/she is forever saved. This fact is referred to as the doctrine of “eternal security,” often summarized as “once saved, always saved.”
There are several reasons why a person can be confident in their “eternal security.” First and foremost is the evidence of Scripture. John 3:15-18 says about Christ: “The Son of Man must be lifted up, that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life. For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.”
The salvation in Christ is not temporary, it is eternal.
In John 10:28-30, Jesus says: “I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.” The forgiveness of God through Christ is sufficient to cover all of our sins — past, present, and future. There is nothing a person can do that God cannot forgive. This doctrine is supported by Romans 8:38-39, Ephesians 4:30, and Jude 24, among others.John 3:16
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Posted on October 10, 2010 at 5:39amBreaker 19 you are wrong. Refusing to allow God’s Holy Spirit to lead us to Christ is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.Being gay is not blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. A homosexual can still accept Christ as his lord and personal savior and be saved. Absence of sin is not the saving factor. Christ’s work on the cross is.In other words not believing in Christ is the only unforgivable sin. And you are doing people a disservice through you judgmental bigotry by telling people that they can not be saved because their homosexuality. Sentiments like yours are the reason for the rift between Christians and the gay community. Hate the sin not the sinner.
Matthew 12:30-32
“He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters. And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come. (NIV)
Mark 3:28-30
I tell you the truth, all the sins and blasphemies of men will be forgiven them. But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin.” He said this because they were saying, “He has an evil spirit.” (NIV)
1. Jesus said, “Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.”
a. To reject Christ in the age in which Jesus lived was blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. For God’s Holy Spirit was upon Christ approving his work.
b. To reject Christ in our age is to also blaspheme against the Holy Spirit.
c. The Holy Spirit offers the only means to salvation. Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is to refuse his directions by not allowing him to lead us to Christ. We can blaspheme him by refusing to allow him to work in our lives. If we continue in our blasphemy there is no hope of salvation because there is no other heavenly means for salvation. To reject the Messiah-ship of Christ is a sin unto death. As long as we remain in rejection there is no forgiveness.
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Posted on October 10, 2010 at 5:49amBy the way breaker19 it is absolutely arrogant and narcissistic to declare yourself sin free. If we could live sin free lives we would not need Christ’s saving work on the cross.
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Posted on October 11, 2010 at 4:14pm… -.- wow… If its so hard to be gay, why do it?!!!
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God=Gay
I dont think so mister! Your doing what Ellen DeGeneris (I spelt that wrong) said Mrs. Lisp? Why would you listen to a Lez about what to do? Of course this is what she’d say!