Utah Legislature Passes Bill Requiring ‘Abstinence-Only’ Sex Education — or None at All
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Utah legislature has passed a sex education bill that allows schools to decide whether they will teach students about human sexuality and in the event that they do, requires that it use “abstinence-only instruction materials.” The bill now goes to the governor for approval.
The Salt Lake City Tribune reports supporters of the bill, which passed 19-10 in the Senate, believe that the details of sex education should be left to parents:
“To replace the parent in the school setting, among people who we have no idea what their morals are, we have no ideas what their values are, yet we turn our children over to them to instruct them in the most sensitive sexual activities in their lives, I think is wrongheaded,” said Sen. Stuart Reid, R-Ogden.
On the flip side, Sen. Pat Jones, D-Holladay called it a “mandate against reality”. The Tribune reports that parents already have the option of opting their children out of sex education classes and districts did have the ability to choose teaching abstinence only.
The Desert News reports that HB363 was sponsored by Rep. Bill Wright, R-Holden, in response to graphic content and what he considered inappropriate material presented in classes, especially that coming from Planned Parenthood.
Watch this report from the Sutherland Institute:
According to the Desert News, senate sponsor Margaret Dayton, R-Orem, presented the bill, noting that in the years since sex education began in schools, there has been an increase in sexually transmitted diseases:
“This just clarifies we’ll have an abstinence-only curriculum or a nothing curriculum,” she said.
While some think this bill puts control of a child‘s education back into parent’s hands, others have said that it takes away parental choice. The Desert News has more:
“You just took away the power of parents by having the state of Utah dictate what students are going to be learning,” [Sen. Luz Robles, D-Salt Lake] said.
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While explaining his opposing vote, Sen. Ross Romero, D-Salt Lake, speculated that the bill would lead to an increased number of teen pregnancies and sexually transmitted infections and result in a deficient curriculum. He said senators were being “naive” if they thought that children weren’t being exposed to images of adult sexual activity over the Internet from a young age and added that those experiences lead to confusion about sexuality that may or may not be able to be addressed in the home.
“We’ve been discussing this as though every child has the benefit of two loving parents who are ready to have a conversation,” he said. “That is not the case. There are kids in our community that do not have that luxury.”
According to the bill, if a school decides to teach sex education they must teach it in the context of “abstinence from all sexual activity before marriage and fidelity after marriage as the only sure methods for preventing certain communicable diseases.” The bill says that at any time when human sexuality is being taught, instruction is not to include information about “the intricacies of intercourse, sexual stimulation, or erotic behavior; homosexuality; or [the advocacy or encouragement of] the use of contraceptive methods or devices.”
NPR reports that according to the Guttmacher Institute, 21 states require schools teach students about sex education and in 18 of these states contraceptive methods must be a part of the lesson.
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Comments (137)
MammalOne
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 1:07pmThey may as well just not teach the kids anything about sex if the only other option is teaching about abstinence. There’s really nothing to say about it – if you don’t have sex, you don’t get pregnant. Class dismissed.
Report Post »Falindraun
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 1:42pmyour last sentence hit the nail on the head. What should be happening is asking kids why they are having sex, then finding alternate (non-sexual) activities to engage themselves in. there are other things to do that are fun besides having sex. reading a book, hang gliding, skiing, going for a hike (mountains, city, beach), video games, board games, etc… the list is endless.
Report Post »mcsledge
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 2:40pmDemocrats continue to whine about potential STDs and teenage pregnancies. Yes, and it is the parents fault if they are not properly informed and its the parents who should have to deal with the failure to so teach their children.
This is not a nanny state. It is not the government‘s job to ensure people don’t act stupidly.
Report Post »shimauma
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 3:25pmBet they can charge the tax payers $100k for that instruction though. Money well spent so long as they aren’t teaching “sexual deviant” friendly classes that tell kids they can’t use “gay” instead of *stupid*.
Report Post »tangerinesus
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 7:16pmIdeally, sex-ed should NOT be taught in schools at all, period. This should fall to the parents to do. But of course, parents won‘t and don’t do it, which is why we have kids thinking that they can’t get pregnant if they only do it once. I support the abstinence-only education, especially if it goes exactly like you said, Mammalone.
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 9:49pmSince sex education has been taught by the schools, teen pregnancies and STDs have gone up. So I don’t see the problem with sex education being taught at home by the parents.
Report Post »VanceUppercut
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 12:59pmStudies have shown repeatedly that kids who receive abstinence-only education have a higher risk of unwanted pregnancies and std’s. They may also engage in oral and anal sex more frequently (studies seem to differ on this). Also, here are some tidbits about teens who take virginity pledges, which I found in an article on foxnews.com.
“Virginity pledgers and similar non-pledgers don’t differ in the rates of *******, oral or anal sex or any other sexual behavior,” Rosenbaum said. “Strikingly, pledgers are less likely than similar non-pledgers to use condoms and also less likely to use any form of birth control.”
(and)
Bill Albert, chief program officer for The National Campaign to Prevent Teen and Unplanned Pregnancy, said teens need to be encouraged to delay having sex, but they also need to be given the facts about safe sex.
“When pledgers fell off the wagon, they fell off hard,” he said. “What have we gained if we encourage young people only to delay sex until they are older, but when they do become sexually active, they don’t protect themselves or their partners?”
(or how about this bit from an article on medicalnewstoday.com)
“Although teenagers who take ”virginity pledges” begin engaging in ******* intercourse later than teens who have not committed to remain abstinent until marriage, they also are more likely to engage in oral or anal sex than nonpledging virgin teens and less likely to use condoms once they become sexually active”
Report Post »JimL
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 1:05pmNo Thanks for the porn– list the studies.
Report Post »VanceUppercut
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 2:17pm@JimL
Report Post »Those articles I mentioned were based around recent studies. f you want more than that, you can search your own dang self. On another note, I think it’s funny that v@ginal was censored, but not anal. Who knew Becky-poo was a back door man?
VanceUppercut
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 2:18pm* “f you” should read “If you”.
Report Post »mdeputy7
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 3:26pmRecent studies? I can find “recent studies” telling me whatever the heck I want to believe. You are completely wrong, by the way. If EVERYBODY around you was being taught abstinence, you would not have the same kind of encouragement and pressure to have sex. Abstinence is the ONLY way to prevent STD’s and pregancies 100%….the ONLY way! Why do you try to push sex so much? Do you not have faith in the way you raise your children? Or do you just not want to do the work?
Report Post »Chuck Stein
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 7:40pm“in the years since sex education began in schools, there has been an increase in sexually transmitted diseases” — that is what the Utah experience has been, they say. Now they are poised to do another “study” in Utah. Good. If you keep doing the same thing, you will continue to get what you have gotten before. I look forward to comparing Utah’s results with California and Massachusetts.
Report Post »SouEu
Posted on March 9, 2012 at 9:08amThose “studies” -ahem- are done by Planned Parenthood and other left-leaning liberal groups. Hardly trustworthy at all.
Report Post »GERATMO
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 12:42pmAs a parent, this law demonstrates my values and beliefs. Im glad our representatives listen to us. How can anyone think that school teachers know better than parents? I live in Utah and have had a very hard time convincing a couple freinds of mine that Liberals are destroying our country because we are such a conservative state and dont see much Liberal influence here. I have said that the libs are taking over schools and brainwashing our children but Utah has proven me wrong again, not that im complaining.
Report Post »VanceUppercut
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 1:01pmUtah also allows the Mormon church to basically kidnap children and adopt them out to Mormon families. Google babyselling.com Yep, you should be proud of your state.
Report Post »one.dakine.howlie
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 1:26pmVanceUpperCut, your comments are disgusting lies. Go sell your propaganda to the brainless idiots of this country because your trash won’t sell to the rest of us.
Report Post »VanceUppercut
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 2:03pm@one.dakine.howlie
Report Post »The truth hurts, buddy. They even did a story on it on 20/20 or Dateline about Mormon adoption agencies and their shady practices, which would be illegal in any state other than Utah.
mcsledge
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 2:47pmVanceuppercut – Are you suggesting that 20/20 and Dateline are objective? Stop sniffing glue or whatever else your high on. Liberal media left morals, values, conservative views, God, etc. a long time ago. You may get slightly more truth from these institutions than what you would get from Lucifer himself.
Parents are responsible for teaching their children. God will hold them accountable. It is not the states responsibility nor right to raise children. If you want a communist state, move to China.
Report Post »Joey8
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 7:50pmLol just stick with calling us non-Christian and save yourself more embarrassment.
Report Post »Latter-Day-Soldier
Posted on March 9, 2012 at 1:11amvanceuppercut is either a troll looking for attention or is horribly misinformed.
Report Post »Ignorance can be solved with (truthful) knowledge.
SouEu
Posted on March 9, 2012 at 9:11amDing! Ding! We have another paid George Soros troll on The Blaze with VANCEUPPERCUT. Everyone take note.
Report Post »Nevermind
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 12:42pmSure , Abstinence only teaching works soo well. As i recall Bristol Palin was schooled in abstinence only and look how well it worked out.
Report Post »LibertyGoddess
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 12:56pmNo one says you can’t teach sex ed, just not in the schools. Leave our children alone. Let the parents teach, nuture and guide their own children. Schools should not be made a battle ground of taking away parent’s rights.
Report Post »BonnieBlueFlag
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 1:07pmEven though she does not call it such, by the liberal definition, Bristol was raped. She was fed so much alcohol that she had no idea why she was naked in the morning after Johnson stripped her virginity. So, if she had a different education she wouldn’t have been raped?? Way to blame the victim you Marxist pig!
Report Post »VanceUppercut
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 2:21pm@Nevermind
Report Post »Your username put me in the mood for Nirvana. Oh well, whatever, nevermind.
standupbcounted
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 3:03pmWe can’t mention Religion and morals in our schools but we can teach kids all about Sex??? Good for Utah.
Report Post »ThankBabyJesus
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 12:33pmhah there was kissing classes in the 50′s. And also sex is an amazing thing. One that takes being a man or woman to understand. It’s as old as the bible.
Report Post »JimL
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 12:43pmOlder
Report Post »HorseCrazy
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 12:33pmgood. I am tired of children being misled to believe that the only consequences to sex are stds and pregnancy. that is very far from the truth. reputation self respect broken hearts guilt etc. it is not just a body function like exercise and I am sick of kids being taught that it is
Report Post »JimL
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 12:52pmdepression/ despair/ suicide
Report Post »mymissusisanutter
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 12:29pmSex Ed is important! If you don’t teach these kids about safe sex, or how their bodies work, you run a huge risk. In a PERFECT world kids would remain abstinent until they married. This is not a perfect world. The truth is that STDs are on the rise among youth. They believe in myths such as oral sex is safe.
Report Post »I say give parents the option of allowing their kids to attend these classes. Only then the parents can blame themselves if something happens. Stop blaming the media for every wrong in our society. RAISE your kids, stop sitting them in front of the TV all day. No one in the media is putting a gun to your child’s head and telling them to have sex.
If parents would hold themselves more accountable, then we wouldn’t have so many problems. Parents just like to pass the buck when something goes wrong. DISGUSTING.
ReDD1706
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 2:38pmRaising your kids would imply teaching them the “birds and the bees”… NOT letting the schools do it for you. Sex Ed of any sort should be in the family room, not the classroom.
Report Post »Joey8
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 7:55pmIt makes me sad to see such ignorance. Apparently if the kid doesn’t learn it in school, they can’t learn it anywhere else. Liberals didn’t take over the raising of our kids, we let them do it. Teach your kids about sex, don’t leave it to the government. Doesn‘t guarantee they’ll always make good choices but it better prepares them.
Report Post »cuinsong
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 12:25pmIts about time schools got out of the sex business! The comment that Luz Robles made about what they will not be learning in school is a perfect example of how the devils words carry out their deceptions! Luz its about what schools are teaching! We know what they are learning already and we don’t like it! Will you progressives ever stop trying to take control of our children and live your own lives please! Your killing us with your diversity and political correctness crap that you keep jamming down our throats. This song is for you called
Report Post »“Diversity” http://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/song_11826046
Lovingmom
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 12:05pmSchools have become a place where God and religion are not allowed. So why would we turn our children over to morally bankrupt strangers to teach our children about the sacred nature of human sexuality. If you don‘t believe in God than it doesn’t matter who. Teaches your children and there are plenty of Planned Parenthood clinics more than willing to “educate” our youth and bring them down to their level. It is time to step up as parents and truely educate our children. We need to get informed and do a much better job of teaching than our parents did. We need to get as proactive as Hollywood and the progressive agenda and raise a better generation. Abstinence until marriage and complete fidelity after will solve many of this nations problems.
Report Post »JimL
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 12:25pm“Pop-culture/ quality time” & parenting? Yes. No.
Report Post »Anarimus
Posted on March 9, 2012 at 10:12amReligion is allowed in schools it‘s just that the administration and teachers can’t do the preaching or the endorsements. Students however are free to express their religious views and yes the ACLU backs this 110% as they have in many court cases (they‘re the cases the right wing media won’t tell you about because it disproves their culture war ideology).
Report Post »AB5r
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 11:54amThey should teach them to not be sluts. They should explain to them that giving in to their base urges is weak. They should explain all of the STDs that sluts get. There are many ways to get across to kids that sex before marriage is wrong without even bringing up religion.
Report Post »MidWestMom
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 12:09pm@ab5r – I want to make sure I understand your comment….
Report Post »You only mention “sluts”. The term “slut” is generally used to refer to females. Are you saying males don’t share the same “basic urges”? Are you saying males shouldn’t share the responsibility or the blame? Are you saying only females get STD’s?
If so, you’re wrong on all counts.
AB5r
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 12:32pmBoth sexes should be taught the same thing but due to the way God created men and women, or evolution created men and women, whichever you believe, the difference is that it is still the final option for women, or girls, to say “no” – that is unless we are saying that rape is OK. So for the sake of argument we can “stipulate” that in all cases, all men, or boys, will agree to sex with any woman at any time, but they are still not allowed to rape the women or girls, or force them into sex through various means of power such as occupation roles or other economic forces, etc. To the extent that the men and boys maintain their own desire to not be a “slut” that does make things “easier” on the women and girls in that they are not pressured as much, but still, they can simply say no in any case. Obviously whole books have been written about this, verses in the Bible deal with it, history has been changed by it where some king or other power broker wanted some woman. But for our society to have gotten to the point that we are teaching girls that they can do anything they want, have sex with whoever or whatever they want, and that there are NO consequences to that, that the STATE should even pay for any issues associated with that, and that on top of all that, engaging in even thousands upon thousands of sex acts with thousand upon thousands of different strangers still doesn’t even make you a slut, well that is to say the least, a problem .
Report Post »MidWestMom
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 1:58pmThis situation really has nothing to do with God, rape or evolution.
“..it is still the final option for women, or girls, to say “no” ..” – Wouldn’t it be the man’s final option to say “no” in cases where women want sex and they don’t? That situation happens also. Maybe not as often but it does happen a lot.
“..in all cases, all men, or boys, will agree to sex with any woman at any time..” – No they “all” won’t. And nobody’s talking about rape. While it’s not true in all cases, statistics show that rape is NOT about sex or wanting sex or being denied sex. It’s motivated by a desire to humiliate or punish, or the need to wield power, or by hatred or disrespect of women, or because of questions and doubts as to his own masculinity, etc etc etc.
“…our society to have gotten to the point that we are teaching girls that they can do anything they want, have sex with whoever or whatever they want and that there are NO consequences to that, that the STATE should even pay for any issues associated with that …” – Society is teaching the same things to boys.
Honestly the problem is not about teaching the mechanics; it’s about teaching responsibility and values. Both sexes should be taught that sex is not a recreational sport, that it should be respected and that there can easily be long-term consequences if one is careless or casual about it.
Report Post »Twobyfour
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 6:29pm“statistics show that rape is NOT about sex or wanting sex or being denied sex”
“There are lies, damn lies, and statistics” – Mark Twain
True, in the not so remote past, rape was used as a method of humiliation–not so much of women but the men of the enemy folk to which these women were (see Turkey–Armenian conflict/genocide), and as a display of power–in the group/national rather than personal sense.
A similar tactic is used in European no-go zones occupied by muslims. The purpose is practically the same as stated above–it’s a muslim cultural specialty.
However, otherwise, any power trip motivations fade or are missing at all. Ask rapists what was their motivation. Predominantly, it is sex, that simple. Usually it is partially due to misreading (by socially inept in case of inferring / or otherwise projecting) signals. I am not including the cases when the “rape” becomes a rape based on a morning remorse.
The power trip paradigm was pushed by feminists to absolve the injured party of any possible responsibility (behavioral or attire). It works, though, as a double sided sword, because the cause is misinterpreted. The rapist is being convinced that he is being punished for a power trip instead of a sexual predation and the result is a high level of recidivism.
Report Post »Anarimus
Posted on March 9, 2012 at 10:15amIn it’s original context the word “slut” referred to men only.
Keep your myths, what you call religion, out of my kids education. I want my kids taught facts not fantasy.
Report Post »purplebutterfly
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 11:46amHere’s link to the video. WARNING – ADULT CONTENT!
http://www.all.org/article/index/id/MTAwMjY/
Report Post »littlefish
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 11:44amThe Government must decide who is qualified to reproduce . . .
Report Post »Had they done this already . . .
Hussein wouldnt be president
oldguy49
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 11:58amthe gov takes your newborn childs blood sample in the hospitol………….see what disease thry are pron to get[cancer etc]..so they can decide on if they should or should not give you health care………….does this remind anyone of a long term solution…….oops they also want to control births now
Report Post »Firebrand
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 11:23amI think that there is a severe misnomer. There is a difference between sex (gender) education and sexuality education. Teaching sex education is a biological science. Understanding the functions of the reproductive system is paramount to understanding the miracle of life.
With that being said, no one should “legislate” morality. Who the hell do they think they are telling me what to do or how to teach my children. Whether we like it or not, kids will have sex just as they have since life began. Hormones aren’t rational or moral, and not every teenager has an iron will. Because of this, the best way to approach the subject of “safe sex” during sex ed is to STRESS abstinence (100% guarantee), but inform about prophylactics.
Report Post »JimL
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 11:30amXX & XY is OK to teach but leave the “we must act like animals a-morality curriculum” to the lust industry.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 11:36amWhat is “Safe Sex”… suppose to Save a Kid… from being Exposed? A STD? The “disease” of Pregnancy? A “born” Gay complication?
If these are your fears… may a little more Parenting maybe in order!
Report Post »Firebrand
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 11:56am@luke
Report Post »I’m having a little trouble understanding your post. Again, despite what we would like to see or what we think should be, doesn‘t change the fact that STD’s occur and are spread “sexually”. As with anything, if you aren‘t informed and if you don’t take the time to understand it, you can’t combat it. STD’s and teenage pregnancy pose a major problem. That isn’t swayed by your stance on how we got to the point where they pose a problem.
SpankDaMonkey
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 11:22am.
There was a Teacher Busted last week in Houston for Teaching Sex Ed to one of her students…..
I think she got ahead of the curve……..
Report Post »abbygirl1994
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 11:21amAwesome Utah.. I am glad someone is leading the way… if Obama had his way he would be teaching everyone about free love, take the pill and if by chance you get pregnant then kill it with the overnight pill.. or have an abortion! I am so thankful Utah is leading the way! Now if the other 49 states could do the same!
Report Post »kaydeebeau
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 11:38amWe are doing a similar law in our TN legislature
Report Post »SimpleTruths
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 12:54pmYou are sick.
Report Post »Twobyfour
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 6:36pmSimpleTruths: “You are sick.”
Explain. How is a sexually permissive behavior and patterns pushed on kids not sick, while the the opposite is sick in your book? Are you entirely morally bankrupt progressive? (I know that the previous sentence contains a high degree of redundant terms).
Report Post »Mark0331
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 11:16amParents should teach their children about sex. Not some stranger in a school. Its not back to the 50′s as some ignorant people would suggest. Health class is informative, but abstinance is good as well. I mean come on people, they are teaching children about fisting and anal sex in grade schools. That is twisted. That is going too far…health consequences for actions are one thing, but descriptions about predilictions and ‘moves’ are a completely other thing entirely. Whats wrong with teaching kids a little respect for their bodies? Hollywood and the internet sure as hell don’t.
Report Post »MidWestMom
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 11:36am@mark0331
Report Post »I completely agree.
I personally believe parents should be the ones teaching their children about the subject.
But if the schools do teach sex ed they should be required to teach abstinence as one of the methods of birth control and a way to prevent STD’s. All methods can be taught tastefully without being graphic to the extreme and without favoring one or the other. And why is it necessary for each student to practice with a banana & a condom or be taught all the other non-essential crap?
AmazingGrace8
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 11:37amMom & Dad: social issues
Report Post »Taxpayer funded schools: reading,writing(computer skills),arithmetic, PE, sports(yes there are other subjects like science, languages etc). Problem or Praise for a child?…one on one with parents/teachers. Keep It Simple!
Need help?….evening or weekend sessions with neigbors or like-minded parents…coffee & cookies…Keep It Simple! This isn‘t the 50’s but now-a-days…too many distractions! Get back to the sitting around the kitchen/dine table and COMMUNICATE FACE-TO-FACE. The one thing that has never-ever changed is that each one of us wants to be LOVED and that we make a difference in a family unit, first. Keep It Simple! Don’t know how? ask the grandparents.
MidWestMom
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 12:24pm@amazinggrace8
Exactly. And I’ve been saying the same for years & years. In the mid 60′s the family unit disappeared. Families stopped spending time with each other. Parents stopped placing a priority on raising their children. Mothers began working outside the home and children were raised by babysitters or left on their own. Teaching children values, civility, responsibility, respect and morality flew out the window.
And before the feminists start bashing…yes I do believe women deserve the same respect, salary and job opportunities etc as men. But I also believe that in general children turn out better when they have a parent at home.
Report Post »JimL
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 11:12amEducation of license results in STD.
Report Post »Itsjusttim
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 11:07amI know this may be hard to understand, but Socialism works for Good. Because when the whole face of the earth becomes Socialist, then the devil is left with no choice but to divide himself from himself, and one portion takes the high road, and the other portion falls that much farther. It‘s the Lord’s furnace.
Report Post »No matter what all you Socialists, Progressives, and Atheists do, no matter where you go or what you think – You always work for the force of good. Everything you do works towards the cause of the furnace.
Itsjusttim
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 11:14amNo matter what the land of the United State’s becomes; The land of Europe; land of the Mid-East or anywhere on earth; no matter the change in currencies; no matter anything, everything works for the cause of good, and the furnace, and you will divide yourself from yourself, and the sediment will fall, and fall. You can never stop it. I’d just like to say how much I appreciate everyone, because without you there would be no heat to make the furnace work. Really I do mean that.
Report Post »Itsjusttim
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 11:17amYou can think and do whatever you want to because it all works towards the cause of the creator of the universe. No matter what, your butts belong to the Lord.
Report Post »Itsjusttim
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 11:19amWhy don’t people just stop fighting all the Socialism, and let it be self evident. That’s why I love big government.
Report Post »JimL
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 11:25amFree-will?
Report Post »Itsjusttim
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 11:32amI don’t really care what either side does, because it takes two to tango and make everyone miserable. The left battling the right, and the right battling them back. Meanwhile men like George Soros are standing in the middle hoping for both of your sides to build some kind of high land for George Soros and his kind. Meanwhile you don‘t see that it’s a double-edged sword, and the chaos you both create will cause many many problems and the friction between both sides is unto a furnace, and you will all collapse in ashes. But I will return, and say: Oh look at all the elbow room because there isn’t many people in the world.
Report Post »Itsjusttim
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 11:35amJimL,
Report Post »You really believe you have free-will don’t you? Even you thinking you have free-will was prefabricated. There’s nothing new under the sun.
JimL
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 12:19pmEyes wide open or closed?
Report Post »cemerius
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 11:07amNext stop Hollywood?? Turn on the “Disney Channel” and watch those 25 yr old “kids” act out “real” situtaions as if they are 14 or 15……..oh yes, I remember the glory days when cartoons were only for Saturday mornings and the children respected adults. Of course, the adults were all deserving of respect!! Todays Sodom and Gamorrah (sp) are rampant and where do we stop at a moral high ground? Having EVERYTHING with no moral restraint is CHAOS!!!
Report Post »hauschild
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 11:02amMakes perfect sense to me. There is absolutely no need for sex education. If you come from a dysfunctional family and need a sex education class, then you’re destined to be living off the state and have got much bigger problems – although leftists don’t consider those “problems” as normal people would.
Report Post »cemerius
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 11:23amIt’s the “social” issues that have taken over our schools…the 3 R’s are no longer their focus…..I am sure a class on Facebook will be coming in the near future too……
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 11:24amLol :)
Report Post »snyggys
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 11:00amTheir just countering what the feds have pushed for, which is to teach only about sex and not abstinence.
Report Post »Steelhead
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 11:00amsad that these people refuse to teach the kids about sex, back to the 50′s
Report Post »hauschild
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 11:05amYeah, all the “teaching” the past 30 years has really helped the civility of this nation, hasn’t it?
The citizenry of this country has never been in worse shape. You know the answer, but don’t like it. It is because so many people have no idea how to properly rear offspring. No “class” is going to counter this.
Report Post »mike_trivisonno
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 11:08amHumans have been reproducing with little problem long before the US Department of Education and their army of stasi co-parents decided to “teach” kids about sex.
We can be assured that tomorrow’s men and women will grow up and figure out how to make babies without “teaching aids” provided by The State Ministry of Sexuality.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 11:09amGood parents teach their kids about sex. They don’t leave it up to government employees. I bet your parents had that talk with you Steelhead.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 11:11amOnly Stupid Kids… do not talk to each other… and figure it out on their own. How Stupid are the Kids that need Instructions?
Report Post »Steelhead
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 11:22amnoggin- my parents were a product of an earlier time and didn’t talk much about sex at our house growing up . I was taught sex ed in the public schools and have always practiced safe sex
Report Post »Locked
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 11:28am@Gonzo
“Good parents teach their kids about sex. They don’t leave it up to government employees.”
I very much agree. But if the parents don’t teach and the school is forbidden to, where do kids learn? From their friends? Experimentation? Porn? And what do they learn? Misinformation, half-truths, myths?
I’d argue that schools should teach some sex ed; at the very least, the physiology of it and how to prevent diseases and pregnancy. Morals and social context should be taught by parents or the church.
@Lukerw
“Only Stupid Kids… do not talk to each other… and figure it out on their own. How Stupid are the Kids that need Instructions?”
You see no problem with a child learning about sex from another child who only learned through experimentation? Or experimenting themselves?
Yikes. I remember being all excited as a kid to learn that “sperm” was when a woman bleeds each month. Yeah, kids aren’t the most knowledgeable sources.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 12:59pmI am not against sensible sex education in school at an appropriate age Locked. Personally, my father had already had that talk with me and it wasn’t news to me or most of my friends when the school did it. I do have a problem with the in depth stuff about how to masterbate, have gay sex etc.etc. that the liberals have brought into sex education. I think an opt out option for children who’s parents want handle it themselves solves the whole issue. I do think educating parents to take responsibilty for their children goes a long way in solving a plethora of problems in this country.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 1:00pmSorry to hear that Steelhead.
Report Post »AxelPhantom
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 1:01pmSince when is it the job of schools to teach children about protecting themselves from unwanted preganancy? That is the job of the parents. Parents don’t talk to their kids because the attitude is “the school has it covered”. Time for parents to take that responsibility back.
Parents! Use it or lose it.
Report Post »thekuligs
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 10:59amSee this is something the left doesn’t understand. The schools should have NEVER been responsible for teaching kids about sex–that is the job of the PARENT. The libs will see this and turn it into something it’s not, this is the taking back of parental rights pure and simple.
Report Post »USPATRIOT101
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 11:40amUnder the title of sex eduxation, public schools push the LBGT agenda. No thanks.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 10:56amBecause ignorance is bliss :-)
Report Post »USPATRIOT101
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 11:10amBecause I wouldn’t want my kid to be taught the ever popular “gender neutral” angle of human developement. ..as if our plumbing was an accident.
Report Post »Seriously, Informing young adults of all the life altering consequences of having sex at such a young age is as far as I need the schoolboard to go. As the parent. I will handle the rest.
snyggys
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 11:11amParents should be the ones to talk their kids about sex because they know the values they want to instill in them.You can mock and call people ignorant, but the rest of us clear thinking people call it, having morals. Just because you may have chosen to be reckless, selfish and sleep around when you were a teenager, doesn’t mean the rest of us are like you. A LOT of us decide to respect ourselves and take a moral high ground rather than to jump in the mud and hope to not get muddy.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 11:22am@Snyggys
“Parents should be the ones to talk their kids about sex because they know the values they want to instill in them.You can mock and call people ignorant, but the rest of us clear thinking people call it, having morals.”
My parents did talk to me about sex; even gave me a “So your body is going through changes?” book (too early though; a 10-year-old won‘t really ’get’ puberty until he or she goes through it, in my experience). Growing up Catholic, I had religious education and that gave me the “moral angle.” But none of them knew all the facts of life. “The pill” was brand new when my parents met; they didn’t know much about STDs, birth control, or the actual physiology of pregnancy. The church was even worse; they covered puberty to an extent, but they didn’t explain anything about sex except “Don‘t do it or you’ll go to Hell.”
Like it or not, there is education involved with sex education. It’s not solely a matter of morals, but of information. I don’t think schools should be allowed free reign with the matter, and I disagree with some of the teachings I’ve heard, but I do think actually understanding the act of sex, as well as contraceptives and diseases, is a healthy pursuit. I for one am glad to have learned it as a student.
Report Post »OL_Glory
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 10:52amWay to go Utah! One step to better morals.
Report Post »VanceUppercut
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 1:06pmWay to go Utah! One step closer to teenagers doing anal after reasoning that it’s not “real” sex. I’m sure teenage boys in Utah are thrilled.
Report Post »ReDD1706
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 2:49pmWhatever you think of the morals, I say “Way to go Utah!” for proving that education is a state’s right, not a federal one. But watch some activist federal judge come along and rule the law unconstitutional.
Report Post »OL_Glory
Posted on March 8, 2012 at 10:57pmVanceUppercut What do you mean by ” One step closer to teenagers doing anal after reasoning that it’s not “real” sex. I’m sure teenage boys in Utah are thrilled.” What Morality were you taught at home?
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