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Utah Mall Accused of Kicking Out Customers for ‘Looking Too Gay’ & Having Visible Tattoos

The City Creek Center in Salt Lake City, Utah, is coming under fire amid reports that its staff has been kicking shoppers out for “looking too gay,” holding hands or having visible tattoos. The mall, which has only been open for one month, has allegedly been hit with numerous complaints over what some see as over-the-top rules and regulations. But shopping center executives are denying the charges levied against them.

One man took to Facebook, where the Daily Mail claims he complained that he was harassed by shopping center security guards for wearing women’s clothing. According to ABC 4, the man wrote, “I was in heels and my makeup was fierce. And they kick me out for looking too gay.”

Dallon Thorup, another individual who has frequented the mall, claims that mall cops spoke to him about his tattoo, a Chinese symbol on his upper arm.

“I got approached by someone that asked do you mind covering up?,” Thorup claimed in an interview with ABC4. “I laughed, and asked why, and he said, ‘Some people might find your tattoo offensive.’”

But managers for the City Creek Center are denying that this alleged treatment would be permissible based on the company’s code of conduct. Director of Marketing Dee Brewer says that holding hands, kissing and showing tattoos would not draw the attention of security officials.

“Any activity or conduct, which is detrimental to or inconsistent with a first-class, family oriented shopping center is prohibited,” reads the company’s code of conduct.

City Creek Center Accused of Kicking Customers Out for Looking too Gay & Having Visible Tattoos

Image Credit: ShopCityCreekCenter.com

Some are blaming these alleged incidents on The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, as ABC4 reports that various individuals believe the church is enforcing the overtly-strict rules. Property Reserve, Inc., the commercial real estate arm of LDS, joined with Taubman Centers Inc., another real estate company, in launching the shopping center. Taubman has denied that the church is involved in City Creek’s rule-making.

And as the ABC4 report noted in its video report, many have said that they have never encountered any odd situations or bizarre interactions with mall security.

Now, it’s important to note: If there is any truth to these allegations, it’s entirely possible — even likely — that individual security guards could be implementing policies based on their own personal views. This, of course, is not a charge that such actions are taking place. But it’s certainly worth noting the possibility.

(H/T: Daily Mail)

Comments (186)

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  • SREGN
    Posted on April 13, 2012 at 1:22pm

    Don’t like it? Don’t be gay, Sparky.

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    • VanceUppercut
      Posted on April 13, 2012 at 1:50pm

      @SREGN

      That’s like telling someone, “If you don’t want to be racially profiled, don’t be black.” You are an absurd individual.

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on April 13, 2012 at 2:10pm

      “Utah Mall Accused of Kicking Out Customers ‘for Looking too Gay’ & Having Visible Tattoos”

      Excellent. When will schools and the military do the same?

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on April 13, 2012 at 2:22pm

      Does the military have queer gear for its new recruits? Can staff sergeants still use the Queers and Steers line in boot?

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    • YAHSHUARULES
      Posted on April 13, 2012 at 2:30pm

      To correct my post link was not complete sorry about that:
      http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/08a/born_gay_hoax/TheBornGayHoax.pdf

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    • mymissusisanutter
      Posted on April 13, 2012 at 2:47pm

      So much for what Jesus said.
      But I say to you, love your enemies and bless the one who curses you, and do what is beautiful to the one who hates you, and pray over those who take you by force and persecute you. ~Matthew 5:44

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    • johnjamison
      Posted on April 13, 2012 at 2:55pm

      I all fairness anyone saddled with the name sparky has an 89% chance of being gay.
      But you gotta love the early south parks.

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    • johnjamison
      Posted on April 13, 2012 at 3:04pm

      But I say to you, love your enemies and bless the one who curses you, and do what is beautiful to the one who hates you, and pray over those who take you by force and persecute you. ~Matthew 5:44
      Tried that and just like everything else what one generation tolerates the next is expected to embrace and one after that is expected to celebrate it.
      Not going to work in a society of free people like it did with those dumba55e5 in Europe or South America. No in free society it only take one public counter voice to the main stream media to buck the system. And thus halt the gay lifestyle to what it should be tolerated but not accepted or embraced.

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    • FROTHYDISCHARGE
      Posted on April 13, 2012 at 4:01pm

      VanceUppercut Your argument is that of a 2 yr old. Believe it our not there are some of us wold like to take our family to a place and not have to see the drudges of society, including guys trying to get attention. If you black hear no fear go to the mall but if you want go gansta stay home or go to white castle. You have not right to being in the mail . go home and play d&d in the basement

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    • Tex Expatriate
      Posted on April 13, 2012 at 4:05pm

      For Vanceuppeercut, it is not the same thing at all. I’d say you are absurd. The mall has the right to require any mode of dress they choose.

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    • filiusdracul
      Posted on April 13, 2012 at 4:17pm

      @VANCEUPPERCUT

      Really, do I have to explain the difference between identity and behavior again? I‘ll give you the benefit of the doubt and say that you’re just acting like a ******.

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    • Gladius_Doctorae
      Posted on April 13, 2012 at 9:14pm

      @vanceupthebutt

      No, you can take off a dress, you cant take off skin color you idiot

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    • B_rad
      Posted on April 13, 2012 at 9:26pm

      Can you stop being straight, SREGN? If you really believe all gay people make a decision to be so, you are out of your very small mind.

      This mall, like any private business, should be allowed to set whatever standards they like, and then reap the consequences -or rewards. Free market. If someone doesn’t like it, they can shop elsewhere. If enough people don’t like it, the business will change or cease to be. It is that simple.

      The problem with the entitlement mentality we’ve cultivated, is that people will start mobs and protests over this kind of thing instead of merely choosing to not do business with them, and just being politely vocal about their decision.

      As far as attire, it seems like most people these days, gay or straight, don’t know how to dress appropriately for being in public. I never cease to be amazed at mothers towing their 12 year old daughter around who has “Juicy” writ across her rump, or of all the girls with a muffin top wearing midriffs. Really classy, people, really classy.

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    • NeoFan
      Posted on April 13, 2012 at 10:43pm

      This sounds like the work of the same group that protested the LDS church by having same sex heavy petting and kissing in the park owned by the church in front of the LDS temple.

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    • do_it_all_again
      Posted on April 13, 2012 at 10:48pm

      finally,, a decent place to shop

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    • manphin
      Posted on April 13, 2012 at 11:48pm

      … you guys are group-thinking. That is why everyone hates Utah, its because of all the bigots who feed off of each other, and only bear to listen to each other ideas.

      Did anyone note that the guy with the Chinese symbol tattoo just said that some guy came up to him, he didn’t say a security guard.

      While I don’t agree with homosexuality, the gays choose it to be a lifestyle. Don’t be such a bigot.

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    • Constantine Ivanov
      Posted on April 13, 2012 at 11:53pm

      @VANCEUPPERCUT:
      “That’s like telling someone, “If you don’t want to be racially profiled, don’t be black”” you said.
      No.
      It’s like telling someone: “If you don’t want to be racially profiled, behave properly and make your brothers do the same. Then nobody will have any motive to profile you.”
      I dare recommend you to take a look at statistics of crime: in which racial groups is the crime rate higher?
      And statistics of terrorist acts – in which racial groups is the terrorist activity rate higher?
      And statistics of illegal immigration – in which ethnic groups is the illegal immigration rate higher?

      If you are honest and decent person, you would agree that profiling doesn’t occur for no particular reason…

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    • USA-Ron
      Posted on April 14, 2012 at 10:42am

      whoever you are, just keep your sexual preference private, out of the public.

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    • Windwalker
      Posted on April 15, 2012 at 11:02am

      @johnjamison

      “what one generation tolerates, the next is expected to embrace and one after that is expected to celebrate it”. I have taken note of that. In so few words, it sums up actual truth. Don’t know if you originated it, but it is a profound statement.

      Lewd behavior of any kind should not have to be tolerated in and viewed in public places. It is displayed by heterosexuals and homosexuals alike. That means adults urinating/defecating in public, sexually groping each other, topless women, etc. Copulating in a public park is no different either.

      People use the scriptures admonishment to love our enemies and twist it to mean love with broad brush, and accept whatever they do as acceptable. We are to love the sinners soul, not their habits. Witness Jesus conversation with the woman at the well. He did not condemn her and did not excuse those who did condemn her for being immoral. But, when she departed, he stated to her “go and sin no more” .

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    • Windwalker
      Posted on April 15, 2012 at 11:15am

      @manphin

      For a state that everyone hates, they are seeing a tremendous amount of population influx. I would never live there, but many are moving there. There was a recent article that of all 50 states, Utah is experiencing the most dramatic increase of gay/lesbian citizenry. Not San Francisco, not Atlanta. Also, Utah has been very sympathetic to illegal aliens…..what an odd pair to draw to and I don’t think Mormons play cards.

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    • Non-regulator
      Posted on April 16, 2012 at 6:20am

      @vanceuppercut

      So you will be for queer reparations in 300 years? Don’t be gay dude.

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  • ShyMan
    Posted on April 13, 2012 at 1:19pm

    Keep the perverts out. Good for them.

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  • spirited
    Posted on April 13, 2012 at 1:19pm

    No shoes
    No shirt
    No Service

    No Smoking

    No Loitering

    >No Nonsense

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  • Todd P
    Posted on April 13, 2012 at 1:17pm

    I smell Axlerod in this…..

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  • Eric_The_Red_State
    Posted on April 13, 2012 at 1:13pm

    The RIGHT will be SILENT NO MORE.

    Keep your GAY stuff to yourself.

    Go ahead and BE gay all you want but SHUT THE HELL UP about it.
    If you want to try and shove your GAY stuff down my throat – by VERBAL or NON VERBAL means – then EXPECT IT IN RETURN.
    So if you DON’T want ME to shove MY “One Man – One Woman” marriage stuff or No Tattoos and combed hair stuff down YOUR throat – then stop trying to shove it down mine.

    Have some integrity for Chrissake

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    • MammalOne
      Posted on April 13, 2012 at 1:36pm

      I’m not even going to make a joke about the “shove your GAY stuff down my throat” comment… Too much.

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    • VanceUppercut
      Posted on April 13, 2012 at 1:51pm

      @Eric_The_Red_State

      Are a man and a woman holding hands in public “shoving a straight agenda” down anyone’s throats? No, you say? The why should a two men or two women holding hands in public be considered as such?

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    • Sickofthebull2012
      Posted on April 13, 2012 at 2:28pm

      Okay, I can understand not wanting to be around cross-dressers, they can make most people feel very uncomfortable. But…. I am a straight, conservative, married, Catholic, combat veteran of 17 years of service, and I happen to have tattoos covering my arms. Tattoos have long been a tradition of military members. So under HALF of your argument, you don’t think veterans should go shopping or otherwise out in public without covering up thier tattoos?? Hmmm, and I bet you would claim to love the military. Yeah, you‘re so holy aren’t you.

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    • Gladius_Doctorae
      Posted on April 13, 2012 at 9:21pm

      @vanceupthebutt

      “Are a man and a woman holding hands in public “shoving a straight agenda” down anyone’s throats? No, you say? The why should a two men or two women holding hands in public be considered as such?”

      Why? you query. Because its normal, the pieces fit with a man and woman. Nothing is normal about a man finding another mans hairy sweaty @$$hole appealing.

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    • Aunt Diana
      Posted on April 14, 2012 at 12:18pm

      Bravo! I’ve been saying this for years. When I saw my first (and last, by choice) gay parade about 40 years ago I thought I would get sick to my stomach. It seems that most of the participants were actually exhibitionists…and that is what is offensive. I don’t care about anyones sexuality or sexual preferences but PLEASE have the decency and kindness to keep it to yourself.
      There is no need for the rest of us to have to witness your depravities.
      But, the nature of the movement is not to respect any one else’s sense of fairness….they seem to prefer to use a bullying tactic to embarass straight people into some kind of awareness, when who really cares. No one but the exhibitionist.

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    • PIL
      Posted on April 14, 2012 at 7:20pm

      To the guy defending tattoos, I hate to break it to you:

      “Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.”
      Lev. 19:28

      Now how about we all try to be a little more tolerant and mind our own business? I have my own prejudices, I’m not crazy about interracial dating, I don’t like people who wear body piercings, and I HATE seeing women in burkas. But unless someone is making a scene as in shouting, screaming, attacking people, I don’t give a crap.

      P.S. The military itself regulates tattoos:

      “The Army has revised its policy on tattoos in an effort to bolster recruitment of highly-qualified individuals who might otherwise have been excluded from joining.

      Tattoos are now permitted on the hands and back of the neck if they are not “extremist, indecent, sexist or racist.” Army Regulation 670-1, which was modified via a message released Jan. 25, also now specifies: “Any tattoo or brand anywhere on the head or face is prohibited except for permanent make-up.”

      For women, allowable make-up would be permanent eye-liner, eyebrows and makeup applied to fill in lips, officials said. They said permanent make-up should be conservative and complement the uniform and complexion in both style and color and will not be trendy.”
      Source: http://usmilitary.about.com/od/army/a/tattoopolicy.htm

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    • Windwalker
      Posted on April 15, 2012 at 11:05am

      @ pil

      Thank you.

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  • P8riot
    Posted on April 13, 2012 at 1:08pm

    I would hope that a mentally disabled man who dresses up in women’s clothing and wears makeup would be escorted out of ANY family gathering and shopping area.

    I know where I’m going shopping if I ever go to Utah!

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    • P8riot
      Posted on April 13, 2012 at 1:17pm

      oops – I meant “mentally disturbed” – but its probably a technicality anyway. HIS makeup was “fierce”?? LOL

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    • SingerGuy
      Posted on April 13, 2012 at 4:15pm

      By late fall you can take a 10 minute light rail trip from the airport and be at this mall. If you’ve got a two hour layover, or longer, downtown SLC will soon be within easy reach for the traveler. I’m glad the mall owners want to keep the place respectable (although I completely doubt the validity of this story). I‘m there at least once a week and I’d like for this to not turn into the homeless and teenage hangout. It should be a nice tourist attraction. That’s what the property owners built it for.

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  • morgill
    Posted on April 13, 2012 at 12:56pm

    I’ve been to that mall and it is absolutely beautiful! My brother in law even worked construction on that job for awhile. If the LDS Church wants to impose rules for shopping there, GREAT! If people have a problem with it, they can go elsewhere. It’s a free country.

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    • johnjamison
      Posted on April 13, 2012 at 1:02pm

      This is obviously an attempt by the DNC to paint a negative picture of mormons in a roundabout way.
      That’s how progressivism work.

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    • troymac20
      Posted on April 13, 2012 at 1:21pm

      Seems whoever runs the mall should have the right to enforce a dress code if they want. Just like stores with the no shirts no shoes no service.

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  • Daveed
    Posted on April 13, 2012 at 12:55pm

    I doubt that the Mall harassed any one. They want people’s money. Money has no ethnic or gender, it is money. I want to go to a Mall that respects families and has standards. I don’t want my grandchildren to see people making out, even if they are not in drag. Yuk Why do they continue to try and turn America into a Wymar Republic? Morals never go out of fashion, knowing your Nation’s true history never goes out of fashion. There is a war going on, it is against mankind. Obama likes to dogmatically undermine, destablize, cause discord, division and disunity among Americans by declaring wars on every faction of our Republic, whether it is socially, economically, in Religion, Race, Science, Judicial, Education, Business, Muslim Communist demokrat/repubiKrat death care plan and that is not very nice is it?

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  • Smokey_Bojangles
    Posted on April 13, 2012 at 12:48pm

    If you are gay,you should not live in Utah.

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    • johnjamison
      Posted on April 13, 2012 at 1:00pm

      Please this obviously an attempt at attacking mormons because guess who is running against Obama.

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    • riseandshine
      Posted on April 13, 2012 at 1:25pm

      @John….I don’t think so….see REDBARON’s post below.

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    • MammalOne
      Posted on April 13, 2012 at 1:37pm

      In all fairness, no one should really live in Utah. Even the mormons went there as a last resort…

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  • COFemale
    Posted on April 13, 2012 at 12:44pm

    One man took to Facebook, where the Daily Mail claims he complained that he was harassed by shopping center security guards for wearing women’s clothing. According to ABC 4, the man wrote, “I was in heels and my makeup was fierce. And they kick me out for looking too gay.”

    Hey dude, you are wearing a dress and heels with makeup? Duh, you are gay.

    If the security officers stepped out of line against mall policy then reprimand them. If no such occurrence happened, then shame on the liars. Since you don’t adhere to the word of God, I know “bearing false witness” would not mean anything to you.

    Frankly, I would have left them alone and let them make a spectacle of themselves, explaining to my children that this is what happens when you do not have God in your life and are driven by Satan.

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    • ACLUHater
      Posted on April 13, 2012 at 12:49pm

      “I was in heels and my makeup was fierce”

      Duh. Creep.

      This is a made-up story to try to paint Mormons as bad. Can you say Axlerod?

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    • 13th Imam
      Posted on April 13, 2012 at 1:06pm

      Are Most/All crossdressers gay? A man dressing as a woman,, looking to attract a woman dressing as a man or a man dressing as a woman hoping to attract another woman or a man dressing as a woman hoping to attract a man dressing as a woman, hoping for a , ah, eh, I’m so confused.

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    • riseandshine
      Posted on April 13, 2012 at 1:16pm

      @acluhater…..If this was an attempt to make the LDS Church look bad….it failed.

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  • busterpuddles
    Posted on April 13, 2012 at 12:41pm

    - We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason.- Words of wisdow for business. I applaud those people implementing this policy.

    @ OLDGUY49 – Exactly! “No speeky Spanny. Eengleesh, yes?”

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  • redbaron13
    Posted on April 13, 2012 at 12:38pm

    You need to understand the history of this area. LOTS of people who hate the LDS church make it a point to come to this area around temple square and the church headquarters to demonstrate. They do everything they can to cause a scene and draw attention to themselves. For example, many gay couples have gone into temple square, which is privately owned LDS church property, and make a scene hugging and kissing, all because they know it will set off the security because that is not allowed on the church’s private property. The point is for them to make a scene and cause disruption, (and get on the nightly news). So, since we know the intentions of many gay people in SLC, is it any surprise that they would try to get attention in the new mall that they LDS church has a stake in? ANYTHING to get attention and make the church look bad. Welcome back to Jr High folks!

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    • P8riot
      Posted on April 13, 2012 at 1:34pm

      Yeah, I remember going to general conference growing up and the gay demonstrators outside making a scene… I also remember those “true christians” (at least thats what their protest signs stated) as they used to tie a Book of Mormon to a string and drag it around on the ground challenging people to take it from them – again, obviously trying to make a scene and hoping someone will do something stupid so they can get on the news.

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  • SpankDaMonkey
    Posted on April 13, 2012 at 12:25pm

    .
    Dear Blaze,

    Please will ya’ll stop with the Gay This & Gay That stories. I’m so sick of this Gay Trash, everywhere I turn someone is trying to force their Gay Lifestyle on me. Hell you can’t turn on the TV anymore without some butt bumper ruining the whole show…….

    Take your Gay Pride Self back to the shadows where Preverted Freaks belong. Oh and take Obama with you………

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  • pmbrsf
    Posted on April 13, 2012 at 12:25pm

    Be careful Utah. They are out to get you – I once lived in New York City. I came from California wearing a little gold cross on my neck. My new “friends” tore it off my neck and made fun of me. Atheists are lots of fun you know. Just a blast a minute. They like to kick dogs too. Be careful -

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  • YellowFin
    Posted on April 13, 2012 at 12:22pm

    Business’ can and do post signs saying “no shirt – no service“ or ”shoes required”.

    The Mall can post signs indicating the requirements to enter their business mall. If the customer does not want to comply, then they can go somewhere else to buy their shoes.

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    • Blacktooth
      Posted on April 13, 2012 at 12:41pm

      A business does have the right to require a dress and conduct code of its customers. This limits their customer base but they do have the right to select their customers. And customers have the right to support or ignore a certain business if they choose to do so.

      It is called, freedom to choose. Do we want to stamp out this freedom?

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    • riseandshine
      Posted on April 13, 2012 at 12:50pm

      @Blacktooth…Yep. It’s that simple.

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  • pmbrsf
    Posted on April 13, 2012 at 12:21pm

    I once read a book called: “Winning by Intimidation” by Robert O. Ringer.
    There ARE people who CRAVE being PROVOCATIVE in order to: “get their way”. Win. . . . in other words.
    Watch out for them – they are everywhere now – purposefully trying to intimidate, harass, pass gas, whatever it takes to be rude to you – to you nice people in Utah. They have never left junior high school and never will – it is the new 60′s mentality. Absolutely pathetic really.

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  • ShyLow
    Posted on April 13, 2012 at 12:18pm

    To restore love , you have to restore something that is worthy of love…a country that forces groups together that despise each other is not worthy of love…a country that allows communities to set their preferences and allow people to vote with their feet is worthy of love…our town our rules , if you don’t like it move to San Fran or atleast start your own mall.

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  • Kankokage
    Posted on April 13, 2012 at 12:17pm

    I’ve been to this mall (as I live in Salt Lake City). It’s AMAZING. And yes, there is a dress code as it is across the street from Temple Square and the LDS Church Headquarters. The owners of the mall want to maintain an appropriate decorum to make it a safe, happy place to be. That said, I really suspect the intentions of those making these claims.

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    • disenlightened
      Posted on April 13, 2012 at 12:22pm

      Gays were probably beginning to use it as a pickup spot like they commonly use parks and secluded parking lots.

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    • Gonzo
      Posted on April 13, 2012 at 12:27pm

      I think enforcing a dress code is a great idea. Otherwise the malls are filled with teenage boys walking around with their backsides hanging out of their pants.

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    • Susie
      Posted on April 13, 2012 at 12:28pm

      I agree KANKOKAGE
      Looks like the envelope is purposely being pushed on this one.
      the man wrote, “I was in heels and my makeup was fierce. And they kick me out for looking too gay.”
      “… my makeup was fierce”???
      Sounds like ‘fight’n words to me.

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    • Gonzo
      Posted on April 13, 2012 at 12:35pm

      You’re right to suspect those intentions. I have a feeling we are about to see more negative coverage of the LDSs in the next 7 months than we have seen in the history of the country.

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    • BrucePMajors
      Posted on April 13, 2012 at 12:37pm

      Out gay people don’t have to go to parks and parking lots. The people who go to them may be gay but are I believe usually married men who are not out.

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    • PossumStu
      Posted on April 13, 2012 at 12:46pm

      I work in this mall and I’m calling these claims out as hogwash. If these people really were asked to leave, I have to believe they were making a scene. We have several obviously gay customers, and they are not harassed by security or anyone else. Then again, they are polite themselves, and don’t show up dressed in drag and looking for a fight. This sounds like just another attempt by anti-Mormon gay activists to stir the pot.

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    • 13th Imam
      Posted on April 13, 2012 at 2:40pm

      Lance Papercut

      Keep jabbin, oneday you may actually hit something. and keep that floppy wrist straight.

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    • SingerGuy
      Posted on April 13, 2012 at 4:06pm

      @PossumStu:
      This sounds like just another attempt by anti-Mormon gay activists to stir the pot.
      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
      That was my first thought when I read the headline. There is a certain element in Salt Lake City who take great enjoyment in tearing down all things LDS. I’d bet that if this mall property was not owned by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints that these people wouldn’t show up looking “fierce” in the first place. It’s like the two gay men who decided to go onto the property between the administration buildings and Temple Square (formerly Main St.) and engage in a heavy makeout session a few years ago. LDS Security officers escorted them off of the private property and they screamed persecution. It wasn’t persecution, it was public morality. They’d have done the same thing if a heterosexual couple was going at it the same way.

      I don’t work in this mall, but I‘ve been there four or five times since it opened and I’ve never seen anything but respectful people, and I’ve never once been consciously aware of security. These accounts don’t fit in with my observations.

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    • iblvingd
      Posted on April 13, 2012 at 5:15pm

      Many hotels even the Bellagio (sp) in Vegas have codes they enforce, to protect their investments against the malfeasance.

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    • sacwoodpusher
      Posted on April 14, 2012 at 2:57am

      If you have ever known gays, you might change your concept of their choice in the matter. My wife and I sat at a restaurant table near a couple…two men. One was obviously the “male” component, and the other guy was the “girl”……and did the “girl” ever bitch! There is simply no way that a man cound be that efeminate and girllike by choice. It was ingrained!

      I think the lot of you don’t get it…..I don’t, and I have a gay daughter. When I saw two guys kissing for the first time (I was in college) I nearly threw up in the street. And I gagged all the way to my dorm room, about 2 miles. Dry heaving all the way!

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    • disenlightened
      Posted on April 14, 2012 at 8:30am

      @BRUCEPMAJORS
      Right, outed gays don’t have to go to parks, secluded parking lots or public bathrooms . . . but they still do. Just ask George Michael.

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  • TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
    Posted on April 13, 2012 at 12:13pm

    This is the kind of stuff that the Ron Paul Libertarian movement would support. If you don’t want them in your business… well… the hell with ya’… GET OUT!! Slippery slopes….

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    • ShyLow
      Posted on April 13, 2012 at 12:32pm

      If I owned a night club , white women would not be dragging black men up in it…but someone else would be FREE to occomadate that kind of behavior…night clubs should be allowed to discriminate on race , behavior , or whatever…hotels,resturants,gas stations should not be allowed to discriminate based on race or sexual preference , but should be able to have dress codes and behavior policies…Night Clubs fall under right to assembly

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    • BrucePMajors
      Posted on April 13, 2012 at 12:42pm

      Cross dressers and gay people are not the same thing. Telling people they can’t cross dress or go nude is not the same as barring gay people. Even banning public displays of affection by everyone is not the same as barring gay people.

      That said, a mall should be ale to ban gay people, or, since you don’t know who is gay, people engaging in public displays of homosexual affection. Of course, you may lose customers doing it. And gays should be able to ban heterosexuals and lesbians should be free to ban men from their bars, restaurants, b&bs etc.

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    • TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
      Posted on April 13, 2012 at 12:48pm

      SHYLOW. Dress codes are one thing and many places have them, but the first part of your comment is exactly what I’m talking about and completely asinine. This is exactly the slippery slope I’m writing about and why the new libertarianism of Murray Rothbard, Lew Rockwell and Ron Paul should be kicked to the curb by Conservatives, or anyone with a clear thinking mind in general.

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    • ShyLow
      Posted on April 13, 2012 at 1:07pm

      @ time to end When you are traveling you have to stop at gas stations,sometimes motels,and places to eat or releive yourself…You don’t have to stop at night clubs…Forced integration is also a slippery slope…

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    • TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
      Posted on April 13, 2012 at 1:12pm

      BRUCE. Yes, the “invisible hand” of the free market place will take care everything and we can be free to discriminate and for whatever reasons we dictate right? I‘m all for keeping the riff raff out of one’s establishment, but many would take that just a bit too far and then what have we become as a society, and where does it end? Like I wrote… a slippery slope… back to pre Civil Rights of 1964 which Ron and Rand Paul would not have supported or voted in favor of.

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    • justangry
      Posted on April 13, 2012 at 1:17pm

      I agree with Shylow on a lot of things. Not this one. I just want our government to abide by the Constitution. I’ve also been checking out LewRockwell.com and haven’t seen anything that reflects these ideas either. Tom Woods refuted Levin’s claims about Rothbard and pretty much schooled Levin. Sorry, bud I’m just not seeing a problem.

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    • TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
      Posted on April 13, 2012 at 1:43pm

      JUST. Can’t seem to post my last comment so will try again. Lew Rockwell has toned it down the last few years. Dig deeper regarding Rothbard… Levin is not the only one that has a disagreement or knowledge of his history. We’ll see if this SHORTER version of my comment posts?

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    • Scottscobig
      Posted on April 13, 2012 at 6:21pm

      When you attack someones ideas, it‘s not enough to just say he’s wrong. You must logically argue why he’s wrong. It‘s also necessary to rationally explain your own ideas and how they’re superior to his. So, specifically, what are your arguments against libertarianism and Austrian Economics? And could you please list and defend the ideas that are better than these?

      In a nut shell, Ron Paul’s, Murray Rothbard’s, and Lew Rockwell’s ideology is that people should be absolutely free in their associations, exchanges, their ownership and control of private property. And that no one, including the govt, should be able to violate the individual unalienable rights of a person who isn’t violating the individual unalienable rights of anyone else. I, for instance, hold a whole host of conservative views on various social issues. But I’m against exercising any initiative force against anyone to force him to do or not do whatever I think he should do or not do. Freedom to experience negative consequences and to fail are burdens everyone can and should bear for his actions. If 2 people are going to engage in some kind of exchange, the rest of us, and the govt, should stay out of it. We, and the govt, should do nothing unless and until someone’s individual unalienable rights are violated. You don‘t defend yourself unless you’re attacked.

      There. Now, refute that. Better yet, refute, specifically, the ideas of the men you’re attacking.

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    • ShyLow
      Posted on April 13, 2012 at 8:51pm

      Well said…It will be nothing but crickets from “time to end”…He’ll be back on another thread spreading lies and half truths , pretty sure he is a hired gun…i would love to have video footage of Ron Paul laying the smack-down on him in a debate

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  • teddyc73
    Posted on April 13, 2012 at 12:12pm

    “I was in heels and my makeup was fierce…” With comments like that from a man it’s no wonder people have such a negative opinion of these people. If these allegations are true then where is this mall? I need to do some shopping today.

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  • Mark0331
    Posted on April 13, 2012 at 12:09pm

    …and then they will somehow tie this ‘narrative’ to Mitt Romney..he comes another ‘Trayvon’ moment…religous bigotry and race wars, thats all the left have remaining in their bag of tricks…oh, and civil unrest.

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    • Hephzibah
      Posted on April 13, 2012 at 12:22pm

      Yep, just watch how the attacks on LDS will intensify now.

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    • Gonzo
      Posted on April 13, 2012 at 1:00pm

      That’s the whole point. If Romney was a Catholic, it would be some some anti Catholic story. More to follow on at least a weekly basis.

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  • ShyLow
    Posted on April 13, 2012 at 12:08pm

    The attack on decency continues

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    • VanceUppercut
      Posted on April 13, 2012 at 1:52pm

      @ShyLow

      The attack on logic and common sense continues.

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    • ShyLow
      Posted on April 13, 2012 at 2:12pm

      @Vance I agree 100%… When are people going to wake up and stop complaining about other people not making accomadations for certain groups…The freaks should embrace the free-market and build their own mall…It doesn’t have to big and expensive.They could start with Hot Topics and Spencers , a music store and comic books

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  • Gonzo
    Posted on April 13, 2012 at 12:07pm

    “Some are blaming these alleged incidents on The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints”
    I‘m sure it’s just a coincidence that the Republican nominee is LDS, right? Nothing to see folks, move along.

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    • hillbillyheartthrob
      Posted on April 13, 2012 at 7:30pm

      I am willing to bet money it is no coincidence. I would even go so far as to say it is probably completely fabricated propaganda.

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  • mrsmileyface
    Posted on April 13, 2012 at 12:07pm

    Im guessing that there is no Hot Topic, and or an Abercrombie and Fitch or other like stores inside that mall. LOL

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    • Kankokage
      Posted on April 13, 2012 at 12:18pm

      It’s a pretty uppity mall. It’s awesome and open, but uppity in store selection. If you want the coarser, cheaper stuff, go down the road to the Gateway Mall (seriously, like a mile away).

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  • thegreatcarnac
    Posted on April 13, 2012 at 12:02pm

    Good! Sounds like a good Mall and they have a plan to keep it that way.

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    • oldguy49
      Posted on April 13, 2012 at 12:07pm

      Amen………………i would be happy to shop there and hopefully english only also

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    • Kankokage
      Posted on April 13, 2012 at 12:19pm

      There’s even a river with trout running through it. It’s gorgeous.

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