Video Reveals ‘Occupy’ Strategy to ‘Abolish Capitalism’ (With SEIU Help!)
- Posted on March 5, 2012 at 1:15am by
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It’s been nearly a year since The Blaze broke the story of SEIU strategist Stephen Lerner’s campaign of economic terrorism. Lerner outlined, in audio captured by The Blaze, a secret plan to destroy a major bank with the intent of crashing the stock market.
Lerner’s plan clearly envisioned the activism that would come to be known as Occupy Wall Street.
Here’s how Business Insider described The Blaze revelation at the time:
Lerner said that unions and community organizations are, for all intents and purposes, dead. The only way to achieve their goals, therefore–the redistribution of wealth and the return of “$17 trillion” stolen from the middle class by Wall Street–is to “destabilize the country.”
Lerner’s plan is to organize a mass, coordinated “strike” on mortgage, student loan, and local government debt payments–thus bringing the banks to the edge of insolvency and forcing them to renegotiate the terms of the loans. This destabilization and turmoil, Lerner hopes, will also crash the stock market, isolating the banking class and allowing for a transfer of power.
Lerner’s plan starts by attacking JP Morgan Chase in early May, with demonstrations on Wall Street, protests at the annual shareholder meeting, and then calls for a coordinated mortgage strike.
Lerner also says explicitly that, although the attack will benefit labor unions, it cannot be seen as being organized by them. It must therefore be run by community organizations.
As the year went on, Lerner beat the same drum. Our follow-up reports in September and October revealed Lerner’s enthusiasm for the escalation of protests, the breaking of laws, and the rules for creating mass economic chaos.
Lerner and his compatriots are still at it.
Breitbart.com, as part of its relaunch, has posted recent video of Lerner and his cohorts celebrating their favorite topics: how to “abolish capitalism,” how to stir worker unrest, and how to advance the alliance of union interests and Occupy fervor.
Breitbart.com has received exclusive tape of an Occupy Strategy Session at New York University, billed as a group talk on “The Abolition of Capitalism.” One of the headline speakers at this session was Stephen Lerner, former leader and International Board Member of the SEIU and frequent Obama White House visitor. Lerner argued in favor of people not paying their mortgages and “occupying” their homes; he spoke in favor of invading annual shareholders meetings to shut them down. But his big goal was to get workers to shut down their workplaces. That’s where the SEIU agenda and the Occupy agenda truly meet: once workers begin to occupy.
Here’s the video:
For a partial transcript of the video and a description of the Occupy players involved — keep reading here.
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Comments (429)
BackstepAndShift
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 4:45amI would not want to sound as I am provoking anyone to, but…. When will the asassinations begin on people like this that are NOT being rounded up for treason DUE TO GOVERNMENT COOPERATION!.
Report Post »WHEN??
Cape_Lookout_RW_Extremist
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 7:10amDitto. We have fought enemies of war who thought this way. Time to shut this down.
Report Post »000degrees
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 7:15amWho will do this? The “Treasoner in Chief”? or his polished DOJ ????
Report Post »BSdetector
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 7:15amUnfortunately I don’t see ANY pres candidate with the cajones to prosecute any of these treasonous economic terrorists.
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 7:24amLet the unions waste their money on these babblers. If this is the best the left can do, it wouldn’t be much of a fight…..
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 7:25amThe problem will be solved soon enough. The end of the dollar is near. These idiots will be rioting in the streets and a lot of them will be killed and the spineless ones will go back to thier mother’s basement and hide.
Report Post »The revolution will be to restore our Constitution and the Republic. I am pretty sure we have right on our side…and most of the military. These morons will not have a chance when the actual fighting starts..
Its kinda like a guy that wants to prove he is tough and mouths off a lot. Until he gets punched. Then he runs off like a little girl.
SpankDaMonkey
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 7:38am.
These people are a bunch of unfocused idiots………
Well that bunch of unfocused idiots are going to re-elect Obama in a few short months………
SpankDaMonkey 2012 I may be our only hope……
Report Post »IMPEACHBHO
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 7:55amSame plan as BHO. What it is called is treason.
Report Post »Tickdog
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 7:57amAgree 100%!
Report Post »mwhaley
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 8:25amOWS, SEIU, Obama, and all others I can lump into this category are parasites, ticks, or anything that suck the life out of its host.
Report Post »happ77
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 8:25amBackstepandshift, read “Term Limits” by Vince Flynn.
Report Post »It came out 15yrs ago but its a great read for today.
king1
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 8:26amI wonder about brietbart they may have already begun.
Report Post »Vechorik
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 8:35amThe only way to abolish capitalism is to abolish the CONSTITUTION!
That‘s why it’s so vital that we only vote for politicians who believe in and obey the Constitution!
Report Post »PoliticallyRightUs.Com
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 8:44amWell if you are sick of it, get involved with Communities, Gov.t as well as Tea Parties and do something about it…Voting will not be enough!!!
Report Post »ishka4me
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 8:46amwhen. Breitbart announced in january to wait and see what he releases March first. He died Feb 29th. Coincidence?
Report Post »A1955Rosie
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 8:57amIn America, you don‘t shoot someone for having an idea you don’t agree with. least I hope not cuz 1/2 of us wouldn’t be around these days.
Report Post »Listening to them, they sound “haphazard” in delivery. This is a “world revolution” unfortunately they have no idea how it will turn out because the tactics used are evil. One has only to look at history to know this isn’ going to be good. Peasants of Hungary under communist rule would be a perfect application…it didn’t fly so well.
Moreover, they left the most important value out, our Higher power. They really have no idea how formidable He will be and we failed to teach them.
islamhater
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 9:05amhttp://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/03/04/obama-alinsky-love-song <<<< Let the game's begin. I hope this is a start of bringing this EVIL monster down.
Report Post »GeorgieJo
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 9:08amStevo Lerner justs want to be Abbie Hoffman without the hair.
Brietbart might be gone but his movement for truth and clarity continues.
Thank You Andrew.
OMG 2012
Report Post »sWampy
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 9:09amUnfortunately you eventually do have to at some point either lock them up, or shoot them. They have for the last 100 years spouted lies with nobody making a move to stop them, they have been emboldened. Freedom of speech was never meant to give you the freedom to lie, and use those lies to con useful idiots out of the freedoms all of us are granted. Your freedoms end where mine begin, and when the left is using lies, fraud, intimidation, class war fare, and race baiting, their freedoms should end quickly, as none of these are protected by the first amendment.
Report Post »objectivetruth
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 9:36amAbsolutely never.Don’t you realize that immunity is the name of the game?No one but the targets will be prosecuted or better yet persecuted.The real criminals escape justice every time.Its there targets/victims that are punished.Get used to it.Its just the way it is.
Report Post »Ruler4You
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 9:50amOnly an idiot would believe that (no matter what ‘OWS’ does) money “IS” going to be handed out to “middle class” by Wall Street.
Learner “IS” a communist. Now, looking at communist regimes, and their close cousins the Socialists, what HAS the history been?
Well, IMMEDIATELY after the institution of communist rule, massive genocide. Massive. Resources VANISH. Food, water, heat, shelter all disappear… for those who remain alive. Money, is usually worthless or disappears.
Governments become the open enemy of the people. Working against them at every turn. Even out right enslavement is not uncommon.
OWS “IS” a (bowel) movement filled with tools. Idiots too self consumed to really understand even the actions they are involved in. Let alone the ‘big’ picture. If they knew what they were asking for they’d disband faster than a super nova.
Report Post »Byrdi
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 10:06amThat is exactly right. The government does appear to be making this possible. Not so many years ago these people would have been stopped in their tracks as they should be. Our constitution demands it. The trouble is, it looks like the government is welcoming the chaos.
Capitalism benefits lives unless people are too stupid to use it or realize its the only economic method that allows people upward mobility. Dictatorships, military law, and the purple finger for voting is not freedom. Look at Putin. How stupid do they really believe people are? Or should I ask how stupid are people to fall for this crap?
Report Post »TJeff1
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 10:11amWe don’t have capitalism now!
It is already abolished!
We live in a manipulated market where the FED sets the prices of 1/2 of all transactions. The cost of money. The distortions from this manipulation are numerous and destructive. True Capitalism was abolished in 1913. It has just taken this long to finally catch up with us.
Report Post »Bluefish49
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 10:17amThese people are complete dipsticks…..these were the guys last to be picked in dodgeball,,,,,they’ll show us now….bwaaaahaaaa. All they wanted were sharks with fricken lazer beams attached to their heads….you just don’t get itt do you Scotty?
Report Post »Woody WoodBecker
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 10:26amThis post is provocative. It’s also uninformed for a couple of reasons.
1. Violence is never the answer.
2. Socialism in all it’s forms seeks to bring out the beast in man. The only rationale for tyranny is anarchy. Where there is lawlessness, people will beg for a strongman to save them. The agents of socialism must first bring out man’s inner beast, hence, the relentless assaults on the Church, family, marriage, Constitution, morality, culture and history. Erase all these and all that remains is the beast.
3. They advance in the mayhem of violence. Think of liberalisms biggest gains – JFK, RFK, MLK, Great Depression, 60′s protests-Vietnam war(the worse it got for troops, the more gains they made.)
Turning the other cheek is powerful because it’s the opposite of the beast. Trust me, they strike hoping for retaliation. Don’t give them the satisfaction. Assassination is eternal life to these folks. Don’t even go down this road.
Report Post »P C BE DAMNED
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 10:26amLet me say this. We, yes me and the mouse in my pocket are going to abolish anonymous with extreme prejudice. There will be trials after this is over and we are not going to let those who wished to enslave us just walk away. There will be shortages of rope. Thank God they are reusable.
Report Post »Uranium Wedge
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 10:41amOccupy Who?
Report Post »bluegost
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 11:01amYou ask, when. The white house and all of this regime is behind all of this. Nothing can be done until they are brought to justice and that cann’t be done as long as they are in office. If they are ever kicked out of the w/h will the cowardly republicans do anything is doubtful!
Report Post »little big man
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 11:09amI guess will go to the chicken barter system. stock up on chickens.
Report Post »MCDAVE
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 11:38am@Islamhater…Thanks for the link,,Evidence to support what we already know…the real challenge is in getting the message to the people who have been brain washed by the MSM..The communists feel they are very close to winning this nation and our press is on their side.Getting the truth about Obama to the general public is a big challenge..Will the republicans rise to the challenge?..doesn’t look like it to me..
Report Post »Vechorik
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 11:44amRick Santorum has always represented everything the Tea Party purported to stand against.
Supporting Santorum Means Rejecting the Tea Party
http://www.ronpaul2012.com/2012/03/04/supporting-santorum-means-rejecting-the-tea-party/
Report Post »Who would Jesus bomb?
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 12:46pmMaybe “Reverend” Jim Wallace will lead them all into a mass suicide.
Report Post »Shiroi Raion
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 12:48pmJust another well funded anti-American group. Do you smell Soros? P.U…. these people stink.
Report Post »Alky
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 1:03pmWhen capitalism is abolished, Who will build their iPads & iPhones or manufacture the clothes on their backs? What a bunch of morons!
Report Post »Who would Jesus bomb?
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 1:16pmI am not against violence after watching this. These people might as well be declaring war against the USA. I think it’s appalling we are standing by watching.
Report Post »The Monkey King
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 1:22pmNot to condone this kind of talk, but… Something like that will only occur when a group of like-minded individuals with nothing to lose band together. It wouldn’t be the first time, either.
Report Post »USAMEDIC3008
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 1:41pmThere is a STORM comming
Report Post »Gold Coin & Economic News
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 1:51pmI thought abolishing capitalism was Nancy Pelosi’s plan?
Report Post »http://www.congressinsiders.com/2012/03/nancy-pelosi-and-the-stupid-look/
vox_populi
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 2:13pmI like how we‘re supposed to be the scary tyrants when you’re the ones talking about rounding up people for treason an executing them en masse.
Report Post »PATTY HENRY
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 2:37pmWe MUST remove Obama from authority. THEN: We must stop the ‘speculators’ on WS…the little boys with their little lap-tops who run prices up, use our STOCK MARKET as a craps table and make fortunes while ruining our economy. HOW do we stop these little twerps? WE MAKE THEM TAKE DELIVERY (I’ve been saying this for a decade, finally O’Reilly is now saying it) of what they speculate on…THIS will stop this mis use of our stock market PRONTO. WE MUST get Government out of every aspect of our lives except: Defense; Build Roads/Bridges; Manage Air flight (but not Security) and check our food for safety. EDUCATION belongs to States. I think we need a total redo. TOTAL REDO. Each State must pay X fees (or taxes if you’re happier calling them taxes) to FED to cover those mentioned items, but all other activities should be paid within a state. OBAMA CARE MUST BE ENDED RIGHT NOW. THEN: Insurance Co’s should be able to sell across state lines; Enforcement of Medicare Fraud should come from the source of Medicare, whether Fed or State.
Report Post »SOCIAL SECURITY Will have to be dealt with and put into category that people who provide for their own retirement receive tax incentives. Death tax is a joke. NEVER. You taxed me all my life. Not in Death too. and On and On. I believe that now that we’ve seen how HORRIBLE a full blown FED GOV is, can be, will be… WE MUST STOP this downhill skid we’re on. WHAT ARE THESE DOPES GOING TO REPLACE CAPITALISM WITH?
DarKangelAZRAEL
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 3:00pm@mwhaley
You mean an unborn child!?
Report Post »Ruler4You
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 3:44pmEver read the novel: Unintended Consequences? just sayin’…
So, I think most of us KNEW that SEIU was a communist organization. And now, more evidence to support that, out of their own mouths.
A confession of subversion SHOULD be adequate for prosecution in a country where the “justice” department actually upholds the LAW. NOT implements it’s own form of vigilante justice from within the system.
But, we haven‘t got a ’justice’ department any more. We have a “department of reparations and retaliatory justice”, as the U.S. D.o.J. Attorney General Eric Holder has stated himself on numerous occasions.
Our ‘justice’ gestapo forces have a POLICY of not prosecuting Blacks. Of NOT prosecuting their associates from the drug cartels. Of NOT enforcing the laws of the U.S. based on skin color. Now, if that isn’t discrimination, then there “IS” no such thing.
Report Post »MarkstoneUSA
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 5:24pmI believe we missed a tremendose opprotunity… I like to know, with at least a weeks notice, when this group of traitors will be meeting again. I’ve got a few million “freinds” that would love to be there also… we would speak LOUDLY and not say a word…
anybody got a schedule?
Report Post »Cousin_of_Marx
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 6:59pmI hope OWS destroys capitalism utterly.
I hope OWS wrecks the economic system of the United States.
I hope everything that you, and other Blaze readers like you, lose everything you hold dear.
Report Post »tharpdevenport
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 7:29pmBaddoggy, wish I could agree, problem is we have groups all over the country waiting for that. Groups of illegal aliens planning fires, sleeper cells of terrorists waiting for social break down so they can start attacks; Occupy and other American terrorists groups planning to tearn down electrical grids, bomb food and manufacturing plants, etc. Then of course we have our own government which is calling us terrorists, under the DOJ and DHS. It’s going to be a hell of a fight once the country slides off the cliff Obama has created.
Report Post »Vachagan
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 9:45pmI wouldn’t call it assassination…I think we could call it an elimination of VERY dangerous enemies.
Report Post »Pro-Palin
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 7:03amWipe out SEIU and its crew……………. This is America and their is work to do, not hand outs to be given…………….
Report Post »Spabule
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 8:38amI dont want to stereotype anyone, but why are most of the folks sitting around the table at this discussion Jewish? If you read history, a majority of the Boleshevik radicals who instittuted the Soviet Union were also Jewish. Is there some type of connection here?
Report Post »Hova
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 4:44amSo, the Blaze just put up an article saying that the entire “Occupy” movement is for abolishing capitalism and their proof was that a guy who likes the protests wants to abolish capitalism. The main content of the article congratulates itself for being such a relevant source of information. Then they threw a picture of a person in a Guy Fawkes mask on top, even though this article contains no information referencing Anonymous. Blaze, keep it classy.
Report Post »SkunkWorks
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 5:04amGo pay your taxes jay-z lover.
Report Post »Hova
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 5:08amGreat. No response to my points, just name-calling.
Report Post »Crazy Times
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 5:10amoccupy wall street is simply the proletariat fight agaisnt the bourgeoisie… LOOK IT UP YOURSELF, or continue to be “useful”
Because if they get their way, dont think for a second they will pull you up to elite status Hova, just for agreeing with them. you’ll be making .25 cents an hour like the rest of us. but at least we will have health care, right?
Report Post »Hova
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 5:49amRandom gibberish propaganda. Keep ‘em coming, Blaze.
Report Post »The Realist
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 6:00amBecause commie libs you aren’t worth the time-you’ll simply never get it.
Report Post »Twobyfour
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 6:32amHova, no, not the entire movement was for abolishing capitalism. But the impetus for it came from people that
1. Have that particular goal in mind and
2. Had plan how to direct the OWS tools (that’s what they think of you) exactly where they want them.
That’s all to it.
Report Post »chalkdust
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 6:32amUh, Lerner is not just a guy who likes the protest, he’s a founding organizer. How do we know this? There is video, referenced in the above article from a year ago, months before occupy began, organizing occupy wall street. We know everyone in the occupy movement is not down with abolishing capitalism, although at this point if you haven’t figured out that the occupy organizers are anti capitalism, I have to question your cognitive ability because they make it pretty clear in their literature and web sites. If your involved in this movement you are implicit whether you realize it or not. As for your “points” about no reference material, I would just point out the videos,,,,, of their own words,,,,, that are in and linked to in this article.
Report Post »robinakilt
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 6:38amI would agree on the surface the picture kind of threw me when I first saw the title of the article with picture but in the end both groups have similar goals. One just wants anarchy and the other wants Marxism or some type of government controlling everything! I want nothing to do with either. I know my enemy both here in America and over seas. Getting rid of capitalism will not get rid of the lazy and unmotivated, it will not give people a better life. It will however give those in a position of power more power and control and history has shown time and time again what men do with more power to control the people!
Report Post »robinakilt
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 6:44amI would also add that of all people in this country that should understand how government can trample a mans Freedom and Liberty given to them by God, it should be black people. Slavery anywhere in the world is a perfect example of giving government to much power and control!
Report Post »SEPARATENOW
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 6:58amHova:
Are you saying there is no connection between the Occupy movement, the Unionist movement and the the destruction of liberty and with it capitalism? It is clear the funding and energy of the major Occupy camps come from these groups with the ignorance and indoctrination perpetuated for generations by the public school systems.
Okay, so you don’t care for the presentation above and therefore you think the above is specious… that does not make the connections among groups as detailed here in more cogent fashion over the past year any less real or dangerous.
Kind of like dismissing Washington and Jefferson’s work because they held slaves. Makes them imperfect, as we all are, not their cause or their other work.
Report Post »Obama_Sham
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 7:00amHova
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 4:44am
“So, the Blaze just put up an article saying that the entire “Occupy” movement is for abolishing capitalism and their proof was that a guy who likes the protests wants to abolish capitalism. The main content of the article congratulates itself for being such a relevant source of information. Then they threw a picture of a person in a Guy Fawkes mask on top, even though this article contains no information referencing Anonymous. Blaze, keep it classy.”
Hova, Skunkworks is most likely correct… You need to start paying taxes and then maybe you will understand…
But to address your “points”…
Lerner organized Occupy Wallstreet… The main goal of that toad is to bring down capitalism… Therefore, the main goal of Occupy Wallstreet is to bring down capitalism… Therefore, all other Occupy offshoots of Occupy Wallstreet are to bring down capitalism… Don’t get mad because you are being used as a useful idiot…
Seondly, several pictures have been revealed showing Occupy protestors at different locations wearing the Guy Fawkes mask… In case you haven’t noticed, that mask is not only a reference to the kiddie group Anonymous, it has also become known as a reference to the Occupiers…
Maybe before you spout off at the yap, you need to shut up, listen, and learn first…
Report Post »gbfreak
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 7:08amHova – just a jayzee troll spewing occupy puke
Report Post »nelbert
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 7:42am@Hova
Did you watch the video? The Blaze title may not be the best, but the video’s intro by Breitbart explains that Occupy is one piece of the plan. You make it sound as if the only connection offered here between Occupy and the effort to abolish capitalism is Lerner’s presence. While Lerner is a relatively well recognized name behind this effort, others speaking were either directly or tangentially affiliated with Occupy or with the broader anti-capitalist movement.
Report Post »Coralchristie
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 7:54amThe back up material has already been posted a number of times. Everything that has been “predicted” as the next step has happened so far. It doesn’t really matter if you choose not to believe because you will be one of the ones who will cry the loudest when it does. Those who do their “research” will be assured of its validity and prepare as well as work to stop it. Of course I believe that anyone who supports the “occupy” movement, chooses chaos and the destruction of the Constitution…but keep being skeptical…without looking at this carefully…your loss.
Report Post »jujubeebee
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 8:12amHova: Lerner is a community organizer just like Obama…not just “some guy”. He is in a position of power just like Obama. He is connected to Obama. Yes they want to fundamentally change the USA. That much is obvious. Obama is courting the ignorant vote which you are a part of.
Report Post »drago
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 8:28am@hova aka encinom
Report Post »Points, first you have to make one,and you also have to make sense or there is no debate or argument,both of which is impossible for you to do.Now run along little man,go occupy your nintendo..
king1
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 8:28amHova why don’t you go worship you statue of your master geoge soros (aka the anti-christ) we all know when the dust settles he is behind everything.
Report Post »king1
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 8:30amno response because you don’t throw perls to swine.
Report Post »ianmc002
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 9:11amHova….WELL STATED. TY! Propaganda knows no bounds.
Report Post »objectivetruth
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 9:41amThey will all be lumped together.They have been used as useful idiots.When the real leaders emerge they will be executed.The only hope for anything different is break off and form another group.The anarcists and communists have infiltrated them.It sounds like to me you are posting from a small to medium size city.In these cities ,occupy operates like a very vocal tea party,rather than what they operate like, in a large city.In smaller to medium size cities they need to change there name and try to disassociate with the national movement.
Report Post »Matty85
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 9:42amYea… This is taking it a bit far. I highly doubt ALL occupy supporters agree with the downfall of capitalism by these means. I’m pretty sure the stance they took in the beginning had the same greivences that most Americans believe. Unchecked corporate power and greed is not a good thing (deregulation), banks not being held responsibly for their actions that led to the economic crisis, corporations are not “people”, and there is a problem with wealth distribution/taxes in this country. It’s not class warfare, the upper class have been waging that on the middle class for years.
Report Post »Carol1955
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 9:56amThe Guy Fawkes mask is an accepted symbol of the Occupy movement. If you google Occupy and mask you will find support of this argument. The first one I saw was Huffpo’s “Occupy Wall Street: Vendetta Masks Become Symbol of the Movement”.
Report Post »robinakilt
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 10:46am@Matty85 As I would agree with your post, I would say this. That is what the sponsors of the OWS movement are hoping for because in the beginning they were saying come on Tea Party people we are just like you. The problem is OWS is made up of anarchist, communists, socialists, marxists, neo-nazi’s and every other type of group that wants to see the down fall of America and or capitalism or both! Some of these groups don’t even like each other but they use the thought process of the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Therefore approach OWS with extreme caution. If they are successful in what they are trying to do it will only get worse because then those groups will turn on each other because they will jockey for the position of power. Just look at Egypt and those other countries, different groups came together to overthrow the leadership and then what happen, peace and joy and everyone lived happily ever after…NO! Each group then turned on each other to push themselves into the position to run the country. Yet OWS is viewing those other countries like hero’s for their cause. They called it the Arab spring and now they want an American spring! That should make anyone pause and ask themselves if the same people are behind all of these things happening in the world. It looks like a workers of the world unite kind of thing don’t it. Good thing the unions are not behind any of this! Know your enemy because they know you!
Report Post »hard.right
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 11:12amHOVA, why don’t you go re-read the article. It directly ties Lerner/SEIU to Occupy. I’m not going to quote it, you need to READ. Nice try though.
Report Post »hard.right
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 11:18amOh and I didn’t clarify. What does a Guy Fawkes mask have to do w/ Occupy? Are you a freakin’ moron, where have you been, watch TV much? Every single Occupy protest has a contingent of idiots wearing Guy Fawkes masks. Does it have anything to do w/ Anonymous? Duh! I suspect the OWS crowd are not intelligent enough to come up w/ Guy Fawkes on their own, they saw it in Anonymous videos on YouTube. Wow, you are a special kind of stupid or brainwashed, or both.
Report Post »Unix
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 12:14pmHova, I have lived through this exact same scenario, socialized democracy forced on a population that was free and independent. It broke out into civil war, blood on the streets. Redistribution of wealth is Marxist ideology, same for social or economic justice. More people have died in the name of that ideology than all wars of all time put together, read pre-1960 history books about Stalin, Mao and Hitler, among others. Then read about Pol Pot, who indoctrinated the youth to kill anyone who wore glasses, yes you wear glasses eh, ask them where they buried the 3 million that were murdered? Stalin and Mao murdered 60 and 90 million respectfully, because they were not ‘on board’ with communism. Lenin referred to his Bolshovic revolutionaries as ‘useful idiots’, because they were useful to bring down the monarchy, and idiots because they brought about their own demise. Laugh at us, I don’t care, but mark my words. If the OWS and Unions bring violence to America, they will be wiped off the face of the earth, the TRUTH has no agenda. If you are honest, research history books written pre-1960, and your eyes will be opened, unless you want this to happen. God help those that are ignorant, as those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it. Read Obama’s books, he will tell you his Marxist ideals there. If you agree with him, then you are part of the problem. God, truth and freedom will win the day. I’d rather be dead than red my friend, you cant touch my soul
Report Post »Hova
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 12:21pmWhat I have just witnessed is a supremely profound psychological mess. I would say that the entire Conservatism movement is based on smearing opponents without considering the fact that they are lying, but I’m not a writer for The Blaze. I don’t make unreasonable generalizations like that.
From The Realist: “Because commie libs you aren’t worth the time-you’ll simply never get it.”
Greatest answer of all time. Why does this article use such leading rhetoric and imagery? Because commie libs, that’s why. I love how you purposely put a disclaimer telling me why you aren’t explaining what you said. It’s not as if you have an explanation anyway.
From ChalkDust: “We know everyone in the occupy movement is not down with abolishing capitalism, although at this point if you haven’t figured out that the occupy organizers are anti capitalism, I have to question your cognitive ability because they make it pretty clear in their literature and web sites.”
What’s with Blazers and not explaining things? You know, with all the time you take to blame me for not knowing things, you could actually convince me that you’re right. But you don’t, you say just it‘s obvious and that I’m just dumb for not intrinsically manifesting information from a weird cognitive osmosis that every conservative has, apparently.
Report Post »Unix
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 12:29pmRead my post Hova, I took the time to give you the truth, but I fear you cannot handle it. You will not accept what i have to say, because you’ve been indoctrinated. I do not get all of my information from Glenn Beck, I LIVED IT, my friend. So be real carefull what you wish for. BTW, who is going to pay off the $170+ TRILLION in debt we owe? If you can answer that honestly, which I doubt, you deserve the Nobel prize for economics…just go to usdebtclock.org to see the real truth, all in black and white, no pun intended. If you question those numbers and they are from our GOVT, then you have your head stuck in the sand, and I’ve got nothing for ya, head on back to camp!
Report Post »2theADDLED
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 1:41pm@ HOVA
The children of the past are now in charge this is their Philosophy.
http://www.marxists.org/history/usa/workers/black-panthers/
http://www.marxists.org/history/usa/workers/black-panthers/1966/10/15.htm
Report Post »Sue Dohnim
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 1:41pm@HOVA,
I don’t really know if you serious about going outside your comfort zone and considering a new reality. So, my comment is a general one not personally directed at you. The “modern liberal” mind is an immature contextually indiscriminate process without any critical thought. One which must have others prove or impart conclusions upon them, they have a dependency on externally imposed “truth”. This is anathema to “true conservatism”, which advocates the individual, self reliance, psychological, economic and physical. So, the “modern Liberal” has been created or indoctrinated to not think critically for themselves. In a world of lies, deceit and manipulation from Academia, the Media and the State. The reason people do not waste time trying to explain a position to the “medern Liberal” is simple. They are so emmured within their ideology that they cannot accept reason and logic. A “modern Liberal” mind exists and processes information like a 5 year old, they simply cannot establish context and without it there can’t be any logic and reason. To argue with one is akin to trying to reprogram a cult member, their biased ideology and demoralization disables critical thought.
There is plenty of evidence that the OWS group and its backers are anti-capitalist and intent on creating a global Statist utopia, One can choose to ignore it or deny it but it ultimately up to the individual to figure that out. To an open and critical mind it is crystal clear and without
Report Post »Sue Dohnim
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 1:47pma doubt…
Report Post »chalkdust
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 3:20pmDon’t need to convince you hova. I can explain it to you but I can’t understand it for you. Keep on trolling!
Report Post »Unix
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 3:30pmyou see, this is why we dont bother to explain things, they tail-between-the-legs-lying leftist has fled w/o bothering to read our responses…typical. never again will i try to explain this to the amoeba left wingers, let them eat dirt…
Report Post »SoupSandwich
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 7:45pmHova Bear-
Report Post »Are the post like template that fit any article and then you personally add tid bits to juice it up depending on your emotional state on the given day? Not an OJ reference either. Do you know who the dude Lerner is or do they not have an organizational chart for you to look at? Victimized again? Take 5 and give the other members of your truth team some time at bat.
Unix
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 8:17pmOh, and BTW it is the mirror you need to look at…for you see when conservatives speak of small govt, individual responsibility and God…we are called racists, biggots and cavemen…so take a hard look at your side before you smear the other side…Jesus once said:
Remove the timber in your own eye, before you point out the speck in another’s eye.
But i am not sure you would appreciate Jesus, since in your books he was a fictional character. But wait, wasn’t Jesus written about in Greek, Roman history? Oh my, and isn’t he even metioned in the Quaran? Gee, maybe if you became educated, you could see thru the indoctrination??
An old saying to leave you with:
Give a man a fish and feed him for a day, teach a man to fish and feed him for a lifetime…
My creedo? Speak the truth even if it means your death…a quitter never wins and a winner never quits.
Do you feel me yet?
Report Post »nmontague
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 4:38amHow exactly do they expect to eliminate natural law? How do you prevent people from interacting with each other for their mutual benefit?
Report Post »ARMED AND READY
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 4:36amI have some lead to occupy their ass!
Report Post »MYHEROISRON
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 4:47amOur country is being ripped apart … and that’s exactly what OBAMMY wants.
Report Post »BackstepAndShift
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 4:51amI would not want to sound as I am provoking anyone too, but…. When will the asassinations begin on people like this that are NOT being rounded up for treason DUE TO GOVERNMENT COOPERATION!.
Report Post »WHEN??
Diane TX
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 4:31amInteresting. vox_populi must have worked their union shift, and is not allowed to type another letter, per union rules. No one of my family has ever worked in a place that was controlled by a union. It’s not surprising, because most of us think for ourselves, own small businesses, and are very intelligent.
Report Post »vox_populi
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 1:37pmIt’s called sleep, Diane – even us bloodthirsty Reds need some shuteye from time to time. Got to be well rested for the Revolution, you know?
Report Post »SoupSandwich
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 8:19pmNo amount of shut eye seems to cure your red eye come day light though. Why is that? Seems like a lot of meth heads have weasled into your movement. Come spring time, maybe you guys can get like serta or sleepy’s as a sponsor and you guys can get better red eye and ********* in your tents and be all extra ready to shred and destroy and need antibiotics and stuff, like, man. Dead language words.
Report Post »Razorhunters
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 4:29amLast week Geithner was arrested and released!
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sasquatch08
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 4:18amOne the one hand, these people scare me. They’re crazy as outhouse rats.
On the other hand I have no fear of them. What the morons in this video don’t realize is how small their support base is. If they actually do what they want, it’s their side that will end up on the wrong end of a rope or a firing squad.
That said, I doubt you’ll see any of these idiots on the gallows. They’re smart enough to send out ignorant kids to do their bidding.
Report Post »Grannie4news
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 4:02am@VOX All you want is to create mayhem and fear. You want what others have earned and you are too lazy to go out and make your own way. Envy is a terrible sin and a traitor to his own nation is about as low as you can get. You have been educated in the Devils Workshop.
Report Post »vox_populi
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 1:42pmHardly. I don’t “want what other people have,” I want an end to tyranny as much as everyone else. Our economic institutions are not designed democratically the way our political institutions are; the result is that corporations and wealthy individuals are able to seize control of the latter.
Honestly, I draw my analysis from John Locke, the English philosopher credited with the phrase “life, liberty, and property.” He believed that those who used things (regularly, mind you) owned things. My belief is simple: the workers, not the capitalists, should run the factories, not the capitalists. The teachers and doctors, not their administrations, should run the schools and hospitals. Believe it or not, that’s socialism. No government-ownership required.
Report Post »DIR
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 3:28am“Video Reveals ‘Occupy’ Strategy to ‘Abolish Capitalism’ (With SEIU Help!)”
Report Post »However, Isn‘t that what they’ve already been trying? I say let ‘em try harder!
A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 3:48amThese people don’t understand that the problems they see in the economy are either not due to the free market, or are imaginary problems based on bad economic thinking such as the general view that stockholders sit in a room somewhere “deciding for the rest of us” (paraphrase) – though the money printers at the Fed certainly DO engage in this type of behavior, almost by definition (it’s not the bankers, per se, but rather our fiat money system).
They don‘t understand that it’s CORPORATISM – NOT the free market – that leads to imperialism, economic crashes, etc.
See here.
Corporatism Is Not the Free Market
http ://reason.com/archives/2012/02/03/corporatism-is-not-the-free-market/singlepage
And here.
How to Reach the Left | Roderick T. Long
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lukerw
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 4:05amAmerica has subscribed to a Creed of GUILT… the Democrats are Guilty over Black Slavery, so they promote NonBlack Slavery… Corporations are Guilty over making too much Profit, so they lean Left and contribute to the Democrats… the Professors are Guilty over not Educating, so they Teach Rebellion… the Students are Guilty over being Stupid, so they declare they are Smart and set out to Destroy… and, on, and on…
Report Post »Crazy Times
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 5:05am@ luke,
Your right, everyone points fingers and screams “GUILTY!” – the craziness needs to stop.
Report Post »BackstepAndShift
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 5:29amThey CLEARLY UNDERSTAND the difference. DON’T FOOL YOURSELF.
Report Post »They want something else more than what their letting onto.
BUT!
If you want the useless idiots to understand the difference then start by taking back the education system. Get the PUBLIC UNIONS out of the PUBLIC WORK PLACE. Unions are a MAJOR part of the problem. A cornerstone of the cause in effect of NEGITIVE changes to the USA and the Occupy Movements growth.
Return the Government back to the traditional thought of power. what it was meant to have in the first place. Remove these non-essentual extentions of Gov like the Pubic School sys. IRS and the whole alphabet soup of Government offices. FED RES!
All unnessecary and the Gov has you believing that you need them for your own good. It was more an option in my days of growing up, now it’s told to you they know better than you and you have to have them. Progressives. Diversity groups and such are the culprits.
It is not going to get better. it’s to late to save our country. try as you may.
I advise you buckle in for a very sad and dangerous ride.
Many will not survive and the ones who do will not be happy they did.
Things are going to fall into serious kaos VERY SOON!
Anyone speaking here about hope for a future are only expressing hope in a pipe dream.
You will never return America to anything close to it’s original status.
We are doomed to be destroyed painfully and recklesly.
LOOK!
Look at ALL of the things that would NEVER have been all
AmazingGrace8
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 10:42am@backstep&shift
Well Said!
Report Post »vox_populi
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 1:47pm@A Doctor’s Labor is Not My Right
I’m a total Leftist, but: I like your name, it provokes thought.
At any rate, my response to your Corporatism comment is that it’s inseperable from the free market. Why do you think corporations pour so many resources into controlling our politicians? It’s the economically intelligent thing to do. Their competitors are doing it, the market commands them to do it as well.
Why do you think your great “Tea Party Reclamation 2010” has failed so miserably? Because the second they step into the capital the onslaught of lobbying efforts begin. It doesn’t matter if you disable and repeal every regulation on the books right now; corporate forces will continue to use their weight to control the government so long as they have the power to do so. Your “free market” is as much a hopeless utopia as Lenin’s “communism.”
The only way to stop this is a fundamental transformation of our economic sectors. The economy needs to be democratized: factories to the workers, schools to the teachers and students, hospitals to the doctors! We do not need a class of humans who make money solely through “ownership” and not “work”, who then use their great sums of wealth to control those who DO work.
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 5:50pm@vox_populi,
I can tell you’ve given this some thought, and I think we can discuss this.
“At any rate, my response to your Corporatism comment is that it’s inseperable from the free market. Why do you think corporations pour so many resources into controlling our politicians? It’s the economically intelligent thing to do. Their competitors are doing it, the market commands them to do it as well.”
Believe it or not, this process of Corporatism begins with collectivist anti-trust legislations, in the belief that fewer producers of a thing means that somehow those producers are unjustly keeping other producers from entering the marketplace. This is bad economics.
Businesses actually like anti-trust legislations because they are protectionist in effect, in that they create barriers to entry – people who don’t have the money to comply with the regulations are priced out of the market, and the protected businesses get to keep prices high.
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Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 5:59pm(Continued from prior post)
The free market wants to reward producers for meeting consumer demand. And sometimes a few people get really good at doing it – such that any more producers would be a waste of resources (think of the “too many cooks” analogy). Everyone should feel entitled to try to compete, but not everyone will succeed at being better than someone else at it.
(It‘s worth noting that we haven’t had a free market in America for 100 years – we’ve had a lot of government interventions, the most destructive of which is our fiat money system.)
But anti-trust legislations punish those who are trying to lower prices and increase quality in order to attract consumers. It is the CONSUMER who decides whether a seller is meeting their desires through a quite democratic process (one penny, one market vote – except in the case of fiat money, of course ;) ).
So it’s collectivism, NOT individual, free market liberty, that gets Corporatism rolling. It takes an abandoning of free market principles in order to start the process which leads to imperialism.
See here.
Anti-Trust and Monopoly (with Ron Paul)
http ://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8C4gRRk2i-M
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Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 6:15pm(Continued from prior post)
“Why do you think your great “Tea Party Reclamation 2010” has failed so miserably? Because the second they step into the capital the onslaught of lobbying efforts begin. It doesn’t matter if you disable and repeal every regulation on the books right now; corporate forces will continue to use their weight to control the government so long as they have the power to do so. Your “free market” is as much a hopeless utopia as Lenin’s “communism.”
The great “Tea Party Reclamation of 2010” has failed because the people that got into office weren’t serious. They’re part of the big government establishment Republicans of the Bush II years. Paul Ryan doesn’t propose anything significant. What a waste! There really is only one party.
Regarding deregulation and corporate forces: Corporatism requires government intervention, so to deregulate, and to get rid of the Minimum Wage laws, and to get rid of all subsidies and government-granted privileges, would leave the corporate structure in place, but now people would be free to do business with Corporations (or Unions, for that matter), or not. The consumer would regain his rightful place as the driver of production.
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Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 6:21pm(Continued from prior post)
See here.
How to Reach the Left | Roderick T. Long
http ://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4hjO1ak4_M
And here.
Do Corporations Exist Because of State Privilege?
http ://www.tomwoods.com/blog/do-corporations-exist-because-of-state-privilege/
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Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 6:28pm(Continued from prior post)
“The only way to stop this is a fundamental transformation of our economic sectors. The economy needs to be democratized: factories to the workers, schools to the teachers and students, hospitals to the doctors! We do not need a class of humans who make money solely through “ownership” and not “work”, who then use their great sums of wealth to control those who DO work.”
Since collectivism is required for the existence of Corporatism, democratizing the economy in the sense that you mean would have the opposite outcome that you imagine. A free market is already “democratic” in the sense that it’s the consumer who drives production. Also, transactions in a free market happen because two people are willing to accept the terms, otherwise the trade wouldn’t happen. Whereas the costs of production rise, and individual liberty is suppressed, in an environment of government interventions.
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Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 6:36pm(Continued from prior post)
Also, people don’t trade something for work, per se, but for the outcome of work. So when an owner trades you a paycheck for your productivity to his business, there is a real trade occurring, the terms to which you agreed, and so there is no control going on. You both voluntarily accept the terms of a trade, and you are entitled to a paycheck if you fulfill the terms of the agreement. And per the agreement, if the owner does not pay you according to the terms to which you both agreed, then you have a right to have your voluntary contract enforced through the courts.
And finally, please do not overlook the fact that Ron Paul, in 2001, explained in considerable detail why the housing market would collapse. He was able to see it coming because he understood Austrian Economics.
See here.
Ron Paul: “This real-estate bubble will burst, as all bubbles do” (part 3)
http ://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KONpt9a6HrI
And here.
Ron Paul Calls the Housing Collapse in 2003
http ://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9S3lXDOQ7ec
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Posted on March 5, 2012 at 6:44pm(Continued from prior post)
If you want to understand why Austrian Economics allowed Ron Paul to see the collapse of the housing bubble coming, I highly recommend the following videos.
See here.
Smashing Myths and Restoring Sound Money | Thomas E. Woods, Jr.
http ://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAzExlEsIKk
And here.
Why You’ve Never Heard of the Great Depression of 1920 | Thomas E. Woods, Jr.
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A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 8:21pm@vox_populi,
As our Founders noted, democracies don’t permit freedom, as you suppose.
See here.
Federalist Papers #10
http ://www.constitution.org/fed/federa10.htm
“… a pure democracy, by which I mean a society consisting of a small number of citizens, who assemble and administer the government in person, can admit of no cure for the mischiefs of faction. A common passion or interest will, in almost every case, be felt by a majority of the whole; a communication and concert result from the form of government itself; and there is nothing to check the inducements to sacrifice the weaker party or an obnoxious individual. Hence it is that such democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths. Theoretic politicians, who have patronized this species of government, have erroneously supposed that by reducing mankind to a perfect equality in their political rights, they would, at the same time, be perfectly equalized and assimilated in their possessions, their opinions, and their passions.”
And also see here.
Democracy Is Not Freedom
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vox_populi
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 3:26amIndeed. “Occupy” needs to move beyond the symbolic reclamation of public spaces into a full-scale seizure of the means of production. Students and teachers need to occupy their schools, workers need to occupy their offices and factories. People need to be in control of their own lives, not subject to the petty whims of bosses and bureaucrats, corporate or otherwise.
Report Post »sasquatch08
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 4:20amOk, put you‘re money where you’re mouth is and try.
When you’re lying gunshot in the street because of your violent treason, you won’t get any pity or medical help from me.
Report Post »Crazy Times
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 4:35amhey Vox, you know what you are? Lenin would say you are a useful idiot, and that’s true, you are idiot.
EVERYONE, occupy wall street is simply the proletariat fight agaisnt the bourgeoisie… LOOK IT UP.. it is the same thing, the same thing that Marx promoted, the same thing Lenin did.. it is communism and socialism.
and anyone who does not see what Occupy Wall street really is, then Lenin is right.
STOP FIGHTING FOR A UTOPIA THAT WILL NEVER EXIST!!!!!!!!
Beware- of communism
Report Post »TranslucentBob
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 4:52amOk Vox,
“Students and teachers need to occupy their schools,”
Then what, the children must teach themselves? I would think the Occupy would need a “Vocalizer” to voice for the group. Maybe that would be the principal? Next step to keep the children hostage until parent pay for the instruction? I thought taxes already does that.
“workers need to occupy their offices and factories.“ I think the last time that was tried with ”Success” was the Yugo.
Farms can do well taking intruction from Mugabe and the great leaders and farmers produced by his people. No, wait…you mean the occupiers have no means of figuring out how to run a factory since their education was done with degrees such as gender studies, midieval history, general art, and sociology?
Tell me how a world of occupiers would make the world a better place in each one of these scenarios? If not, I would think you are a 12 year old hack or completely clueless as provided by higher education.
Report Post »Diane TX
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 5:03amVox
You’re nothing but a stinking commie. We have fought Wars against people like you. The USSR COLLAPSED because Communism is an unworkable system. There always have been, and always will be persons that do their best for their loved ones. They don’t labor so that some dimwit co-ed can have “free” contraception. Most of us don‘t care about anyone else’s sex life. Sex is just a normal part of being human like brushing your teeth and showering. Will we taxpayers have to pay Miss Co-ed’s shampoo and soap expenses, next?
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 5:18am@vox_populi,
“People need to be in control of their own lives, not subject to the petty whims of bosses and bureaucrats, corporate or otherwise.”
Addressing just the concept of bosses for the moment, the whims of bosses aren‘t petty if they’re made as a part of the free market (government priveleges to certain corporations is not part of the free market). Bosses pay you less for your labor than that which you could fetch for the same product had you made it yourself, because you’re being paid up front for the product that the boss will sell in the future.
The whole reason you’re working for X Company is because you know you can get paid SOONER than it would take for you to get paid for selling a product had you produced it yourself. It takes longer for the boss to produce the product, which is why his profits are justified.
You prefer payment now, whereas the boss is willing to be paid in the future knowing he will make a profit. Your time preferences for payment are different.
These will help, also.
See here.
Corporatism Is Not the Free Market
http ://reason.com/archives/2012/02/03/corporatism-is-not-the-free-market/singlepage
And here.
How to Reach the Left | Roderick T. Long
http ://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4hjO1ak4_M
And here.
Do Corporations Exist Because of State Privilege?
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taxpro4u03
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 6:54am@Sasquatch08 – no need for ‘violence’ whatsoever. INDIVIDUALS have the CHOICE to continue playing a game they know by and large they ‘THINK’ they cannot win. That‘s why they go to ’work‘ everyday for ’da man.’ – Come home and Be-otch about it. America is still the ‘free=est’ country on the planet — I dunno of too many other countries where one can keep the ‘go to schoo and get a good education, GET A ‘JOB,‘ work hard and ’save for retirement,’ and get a wakeup call to the contrary. – Opportunities for MOST people have been crony-capitalist the hell OUT of the country. There ARE alternatives — we as Americans are ingenious by nature — FIND a niche :-) There is NO level of ‘income’ one cannot outspend. In my career I deal with ‘wealthy’ people all the time — The people working at ‘menial’ jobs by and large are far better off than the ones who exploit others for a dollar and drive up their debt to BANKRUPT it (Donald Trump ring any ‘bails?’) — It‘s not what you ’make,’ rather — what you KEPP… and ‘quality of life.‘ Which by and large t’aint too bad — cable tv, internet rambos ;-), roof over their heads clothes on their backs and food in their stomachs — ‘working’ for it or NOT. USA TOOK the Native Americans rather kewel ‘way of life’ and ‘civilized’ them thru….. HOLOCAUST. Funny how folks miss that part…. THE TRUTH HAS NO AGENDA. Even Glenn admits to being a rodeo clown – that’s what he DOES. But he can expose ‘stories’ worth
AJAYW
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 8:19amVOX you Stupid idiot how many jobs have you created. Community organizer against those that do is all I bet.
Report Post »RoqueGerig
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 2:49pmby seizure, you mean only theft
Report Post »socialism.rocks
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 6:16pm@sasquatch08 never in the history of the world has a homegrown insurgency not won power
occupy is winning
you just have no idea when people power is converted to political power “the power shifts”
you can suck up all you want to the republican party and the plutocrats~
we will win there is not even five hundred million of you globally there over five billion of us~
Report Post »TemayElbor
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 3:19amECONOMIC TERRORISM?????
Crash the stock market?????
Destabilize the country?????
Are these the solutions for AILING AMERICA? America is already in the E:R…. she needs to RECOVER. To PUNCH her one more time, is to kill her.
Does Lerner love America?
What Lerner is promoting are MAJOR NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUES.
REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH???? What wealth is Lerner talking about?
Can one still SEE THE WEALTH OF AMERICA??? Where is it? Because, if there is, the Chinese are waiting for it to fall on their hands. I only can see the “MONSTER DEBT” of AMERICA. Can’t Lerner see that America has a NEGATIVE NET WORTH? There is nothing to redistribute.
AMERICA needs to FAST AND PRAY.
Where is that ALMIGHTY HAND that parted the Red Sea? Let us ask for HIS intervention.
AMERICA cannot be divided, AMERICA has to move with one accord… to fight all the “plagues” therein.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 3:45amHistorically… Americans were divided during… the Revolutionary War, the Civil War, the Spanish American War, WWI, WWII…
Report Post »drenfroe
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 3:14amThe trials should have already started and the tea party should have been leading the way, Where are they its past time. Save America. Our part of the country got rid of Unions in the seventies. They have no big pull around these parts. Government jobs are the only one who have unions these days, so why do we let this proceed?
Report Post »Diane TX
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 3:03amThere isn’t the slightest chance that these nimrods can do anything – except crap on the hoods of cars. These people are stuck on stupid. Why, they are so stupid that they believe that they need an union negotiator to get decent wages and benefits. They ignore the fact that many of millions of “others” do much better than they do, without having to pay another nimrod to speak for a “group”.
The trouble with “groups” is that there can’t be any stars in the group. If one member of the group is really good at what he or she does, that member can only be compensated at the negotiated contract. There isn’t any reward for being excellent at your job. That person receives the same as another person who is really terrible at their job.
Under the system of Capitalism, people who are the best at what they do, get rewarded for what they do. People seek them out because of the excellent results.
Capitalism = good. Unions = bad, especially Public Service Unions, because they work for US.
Report Post »vox_populi
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 3:28amCollective action has been necessary for every major working-class victory, starting with the fight for the 8-hour word day. Remove union strength and government protections and watch how quickly corporatism turns to feudalism, with a few owners and millions of serfs. Not far from where we stand today, to be honest.
Report Post »Diane TX
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 4:10am@vox_populi
Here’s some very important information for you. People who own small businesses; who invent things that we all want; and CEOs of major Corporations, are NOT the people who work eight hours days. The “eight hours a day” people are the great unwashed, otherwise known as the “mediocre” people. Inventors, business owners, and top CEOs usually work twelve hour or more days.
I can’t imagine working on a new innovative product and being told – well, that’s eight hours, so stop what you’re doing and go home. On the other hand, union members are probably incapable of inventing any innovative products.
Report Post »Crazy Times
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 5:14am@ Vox,
What kind of drugs are you on? Go live in Cuba for awhile, see how they are doing.
Report Post »Crazy Times
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 5:16amHey Vox,
Take your collective butt to Cuba.
Report Post »chalkdust
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 5:23amYep, that’s what the Bolsheviks said too. Refresh my memory, did that turn out to be a workers paradise? Did they take and retain control of the means of production? Uh, no and no. So who did? It sure wasn’t Trotsky. You got it, a brutal dictator. I guess if you think 50 million starved and 20 million executions was paradise for the Bolsheviks you’d want to recreate that. Oh, but it will be different this time right?
Report Post »It took years of civic neglect to get hear and it will take years to fix it. If we have to clean up behind the glorious mess your making it will take even longer. You don’t destroy America to fix it unless you want tyranny. So you seek knowingly or unknowing to give power to those who would, in the end, squash you like a pimple. They laugh at you as you do their dirty work. They pat you on the head and say, good job occupy, we’ll take it from here. You suddenly realize you are going the way of the Bolshevik and your glorious workers paradise was a “pipe dream”( see the origin of that term and you’ll understand just how relevant it is). It will be different this time, a brutal dictator will not fill the vacuum occupy creates. Suddenly, men will no longer seek power over others. Nope, means of production will be equally distributed and no one will seek more because your cause is just right?
Are you picking up on my sarcasm, my absolute disdain for those who want to be suicidal, not just with their own lives, but with large percentages of the world? I d
vox_populi
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 1:58pm@DIANE TX
“The ‘eight hours a day’ people are the great unwashed, otherwise known as the ‘mediocre’ people.”
Hey Blazers – how many of you work 9-5 all week to feed your families? Did you know Diane thinks you’re all worthless proles? Back to the factories, wage-slaves!
@CHALKDUST
“It will be different this time, a brutal dictator will not fill the vacuum occupy creates.”
We’re not creating a vacuum, we’re building the new world in the shell of the old. Labor unions, syndicates, community organizing, peoples’ spaces, and ultimately the re-appropriation of capital.
If you’d like a good example of what I mean by that last one, take a look at early 2000s Argentina, not 1917 Russia. The latter is not a very good comparison historically, even if it sounds good rhetorically.
Report Post »chalkdust
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 3:48pmVox, I don’t care what you think your building or what you wanna base it on. Its wrong and I will stand in the way every time. I wrote what I wrote because you mentioned seizing the means of production and the Bolsheviks are a stunning example of how that has never worked out for the people. You fail to see from history that a power vacuum can range from Government instability to out and out collapse. Stop playing with fire that will burn not just yourself but the rest of us.
Report Post »vox_populi
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 4:51pm@CHALKDUST
So we must never attempt Revolution, because sometimes things turned out bad? I can assume you’re not a big fan of the Founders then, huh?
Report Post »cuinsong
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 2:59amNo surprise here? NObama and the unions are in collusion to bring down this country! They hate all conservatives and the constitution! Unless you are an idiot, it’s clear and simple. Their actions speak volumes unless you are not listening. This song may shed some light on why we are in this condition called “Diversity” http://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/song_11826046
Report Post »and this one called “What’s Wrong With This Song”
http://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/song_9134749
70S_KIDS_FIGHTING_SOCIALISM
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 2:59amWrite down these names. Start a list or add to your current list and keep looking these people up. Get into groups and do this. This is what your groups need to be doing. We must compile a huge (CENTRALIZED DATA BASE) with as much information as we can get so that we will have the information to try and punish these traitors.
TEA PARTY UNTOUCHABLES!!!!!!!!
Report Post »vox_populi
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 3:37amReally? Your grand plan is to write all of our names down? Capitalism’s downfall is more certain than I thought.
Report Post »Crazy Times
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 5:19amok both of you are a bit nuts…. keeping records of people on what they think is a bit oppressive…
and that is just what VOX likes oppressive people to fight against and call stupid.
“Nazis- I hate these guys” – IJ
Report Post »Twobyfour
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 6:09amVox, I hope you have a plan how you’ll get into the oligarchy of the workers paradise. Because if the WP happens, that is the inevitable result–the society stratifies on the ruling class and the ruled class… just two, no middle. 1% vs 99%. For real.
If you don’t have a plan to become a part of the oligarchy, then you may want to revise your entire approach to the ideology you seem to espouse. I lived through it and I can tell you you’ll be quite unhappy with the result.
Report Post »70S_KIDS_FIGHTING_SOCIALISM
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 7:46am@vox_populi You can guarantee WE will get you communist traitor. The constitution gives the people that power to set things back to a constitutional standard. What you need to worry about is the MORONS (so-called elite teachers and not doers) leading the commie zombies unto their own destruction. Yes your really organized but other than that I laugh in your face at the stupidity of your leaders. But I only have two degrees both 4.0/4.0 were I didn’t go to a school that teaches their students to hate America like the joke the schools and areas of study these cretins are teaching. Believe me I am a doer and a very-very smart one. You are already in CHECK MATE and you and your leaders are to stupid to push over their king. So you WILL bear the consequences for not doing so.
Report Post »CHECK MATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TEA PARTY UNTOUCHABLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
vox_populi
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 2:07pm@70s_KIDS_FIGHTING_SOCIALISM
“You can guarantee WE will get you communist traitor.”
No, you won’t.
“You are already in CHECK MATE and you and your leaders are to stupid to push over their king. So you WILL bear the consequences for not doing so.”
You’ll have to explain, because I‘ve no idea what you’re talking about.
Report Post »Rweb
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 2:57amTThe Transfers became the poster boy got everything wrong with union with corruption. It took decades to start to rebuild the union image. Now the SEIU and the AFLO-CIO may end up being the final death nail. Unions were once a good cause it is very said to see what happens to a noble cause when it is perverted by money, power and corruption.
Report Post »danboy53
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 2:56amThis is where I appreciate Obama.
His minions, leftists, marxists, socialists and communists all feel pretty comfortable crawling out of the cockroach lairs.
Now we know who they are and we can do something about it.
I stand ready for when the day comes.
Report Post »vox_populi
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 3:33amWhat – no recognition for the anarchists?
Report Post »Twobyfour
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 6:29amVox, a true anarchist is for a free market and no government. The people that want government to absolutely regulate the market and want government to own means of productions aren’t anarchists. Wearing a funny mask and breaking store windows is not anarchism, it’s vandalism.
Report Post »vox_populi
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 2:10pm@TWOBYFOUR
“Vox, a true anarchist is for a free market and no government.”
Depends on how you define those things.
“The people that want government to absolutely regulate the market and want government to own means of productions aren’t anarchists.”
Well, you’re right, but this gets into my second point – much of Occupy Wall Street is uninterested in government solutions and government ownership of the means of production. Occupy’s radical wings want, if anything, direct worker ownership of the means of production – democratic workers’ co-ops, and the like. Look at Revolutionary Catalonia during the Spanish Civil War.
“Wearing a funny mask and breaking store windows is not anarchism, it’s vandalism.”
True that.
Report Post »AmeriCat
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 2:53amGreat story, should be posted everywhere….with
an immediate and clear attribute to Breitbart.com.
This is a lead story on their new web site, just opened today!
Only at the end, does The Blaze mention Breitbart,
but doesn’t even do the justice of acknowledging that as the source.
Great story. Please keep posting Breitbart’s stories.
Report Post »We can never have too much truth!
lukerw
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 2:52amSEIU is an AGENT of a FOREIGN (AntiAmerican) POWER!
Report Post »ceoco
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 2:51amHere in Bakersfield, I was walking into a Target store and was asked to sign a SEIU patition
Report Post »to help give there members better Health care! I asked her where will the money come from
and she told me not to worry about it!
capitalismrocks
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 2:47amStart getting educated:
How to Defeat Unions in the Past (How to apply against SEIU and others today…)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_busting
Why we MUST get every State in the US to pass Right to Work:
http://www.nrtw.org/rtws.htm
Why Islam’s expansion of overtaking of Europe stopped and it retreated and why we must make our economy super-strong, make us not Energy Independent, but make us an Energy Surplus country so that we can be there for our friends and allies and stop buying any oil and exports from the Middle East and directly supply Europe and Israel with oil:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_the_Ottoman_Empire#Demise_of_the_Empire
We must learn from the past, recreate, modern, stronger versions of these methods to tear down the unions and to destabilize and bankrupt the middle east to force and 2nd retreat of Islam, spread this info around, we need to start formulating our own counter-insurgency against the radical leftists, the unions, progressives and islamists bent of work domination.
Report Post »valleyfever
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 2:41amWhen these graduates of the American school system take over where do they figure their next paycheck is going to come from? No checkie no eatie fools!
Report Post »Docroxall
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 2:36amTheir plot only succeeds if they cause enough of the system to fail so that folks abandon principles and values of paying off their debt and paying their bills, in favor of “save me big government, here is my personal liberty as a down payment”.
Report Post »vox_populi
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 3:40amPlease, we don’t want the state to run everything any more than you do. We want economic democracy, not a wealthy oligarchy or a totalitarian dictatorship.
Report Post »Twobyfour
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 6:43amVox, you are a deluded fool. The worker’s paradise (WP) has been tried in numerous variants during the last century. In every single case, it has been a failure, lined along its path with millions of dead bodies of people, even types like you.
Once again, if you don’t have a plan to become a member of the new oligarchy in WP, then you’re an idiot, because that is exactly what would happen if the WP is established.
Report Post »NOTAMUSHROOM
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 6:49amWell what the hell do you think true Capitalism is then, Vox? Its the individual making decisions for, of and by himself in the Free Market. What you are asking for is Communism.
Report Post »Democracy, FYI, is MOB RULE. If that‘s what you’re going for, good luck. The tyrants ALWAYS crush mobs. ALWAYS. Get a clue, please. You are so confused and you are letting the mob think for you. This is the definition of a useful idiot from Wikipedia:
“In political jargon, useful idiot is a pejorative term used to describe people perceived as propagandists for a cause whose goals they do not understand, who are used cynically by the leaders of the cause.
The term was originally used to describe Soviet sympathizers in Western countries. The implication is that although the people in question naïvely thought of themselves as an ally of the Soviet Union, they were actually held in contempt and were being cynically used.
The use of the term in political discourse has since been extended to other propagandists, especially those who are seen to unwittingly support a malignant cause which they naively believe to be a force for good.”
NOTAMUSHROOM
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 6:55amUseful idiots…….I hate those guys.
Report Post »DarKangelAZRAEL
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 3:23pmVox,
It may not be what you want, but it will be what you get. You are being the perfect tool for them. Those of the likes of Lerner and others WILL usurp your reighteous fruits. Get your head out of the clouds. Funny how it can be in the clouds and up your anus at the same time.
Report Post »DarKangelAZRAEL
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 3:29pmVox,
You also like to point to vague times in history when this magical thing has happened. Answer this. HOW LONG DID IT LAST?
Report Post »DarKangelAZRAEL
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 3:39pmVox,
If you really want what you say then start your own company to be owned by the workers. Or go get a job at one of these. Here is a link to the top 100 companies that are majority WORKER OWNED. http://www.nceo.org/main/article.php/id/11/ You can’t just take what others have created and dole it out, that would make you the horrible dictator which you supposedly do not want.
Report Post »2theADDLED
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 10:58pm@ vox_populi
No you want something for nothing
You will have to shed a little blood, sweat and tears just like the founders did.
The children of the past are now in charge this is their Philosophy.
http://www.marxists.org/history/usa/workers/black-panthers/
http://www.marxists.org/history/usa/workers/black-panthers/1966/10/15.htm
Report Post »2theADDLED
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 11:11pm@ vox_populi
Report Post »You are Pi$$- ing on every soldier who ever shed blood for this country and you are Pi$$- ing on me and soon we will all be Pi$$- ing on you.
Razorhunters
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 2:36amall kinds of treason and sedition trial need to be set up…
from top to bottom govt filled with unamerican sobs.
do believe is time for a revolution…
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 2:23amPast time for the treason trials of SEIU and the Occupy bands to begin.
Report Post »Immiceelf
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 2:58amNot going to happen with the current Administration and DOJ. My gut tells me that Romney wouldn’t have trials either. Would Santorum????
Report Post »vox_populi
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 3:32amCareful what you wish for, Snowleopard. The definition of “treason” expanded to include any criticisms of our political or economic system makes a lot of traitors in this country – you Tea Partiers included.
Report Post »afishfarted
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 3:46amYou’re exactly right VOX. That’s why the wife got nerous when I painted on the back window of my car
Report Post »I’m a vet
that‘s a threat’
to socailism
.She fully understands that this marxist and his circle of socialists are hell bent on calling American patriots terrorists. I’m still a threat, and the threat of patriotism is still growing.
Admittedly, the patiot is behind the eight ball in this game, much like America was severly damaged after the attack on Pearl Harbor. But we won that war too
Crazy Times
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 5:02am@ vox,
Go back to your hole. What a fool you are to believe that destruction is constrution.
Snow, i have seen you write a lot of post here and you are correct. Sad thing is Vox would be correct if he got his way.
The real fight is not the fake occupy protest, but the fight for man’s freedom.
“Nazis – I hate these guys” – Indiana Jones
Report Post »chalkdust
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 6:00amYea, no Vox, the definition of treason remains the same. Criticism of our political, economic, social system is NOT treasonous. Actively calling for the destruction of capitalism is NOT treasonous. Actively trying to overthrow or cause the collapse of our country IS treasonous. That’s not what the Tea Party is about. Furthermore, the destruction of capitalism would be the destruction of the entire western world. Its not just Governments or corporations you would be hurting. You would be harming many millions of people. That is evil. Of course you don’t see it that way. I doubt you could fathom just how angry myself and millions more like me would be at you (occupy) after the banking system collapsed and our life savings was gone. Might won’t to think this through more carefully.
Report Post »cabomark
Posted on March 5, 2012 at 7:55amSnowleopard,I completely agree with you. As I see this video I wan’t to throw up at our educational
Report Post »system run by the left wing nuts (BHO’s buddies) that is teaching and pumping out these idiots. The SEIU group is sleeping in the White House and Breitbart had it right.How does a Community Organizer become POUS? With lots of help from his friends. Let me get this straight Frank and friends pushed this whole “Sub Prime” **** on us by screaming “Racist” and unfair lending practices
to get everybody in the home ownership market. Now they want to occupy them for free because it’s their right. Please someone help me here, OWS, man of the year are you kidding me. Pelosi and Reid and that Maxine Waters are the first to go with the POUS.