Video Surfaces of Moments After 9/11 Crash of Flight 93
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SHANKSVILLE — As the 10th anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks approaches, a video shot just minutes after the crash of United Airlines Flight 93 has surfaced.
While the video does not show the moment of impact, it clearly shows a mushroom cloud rising from the site of the crash at an abandoned strip mine near Shanksville.
The voice of Berlin resident Dave Berkebile, now deceased, can be heard speaking calmly in the background.
“This is the remains of an airplane crash over on Lambertsville Road,” he said. “Probably a terrorist bomb on board that blew up.”
Berkebile said the crash “shook the heck out of the house … A great, big, black cloud just mushroomed right up into the air.”
Then he added: “I wonder if there is anything left of Lambertsville.”
Donna Glessner, who is collecting oral histories for the National Park Service, saw the video and said she believes it is the earliest known video of the crash.
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Comments (273)
JediPatriot
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 9:26amExcellent video.
Report Post »RayOne
Posted on June 1, 2012 at 5:28pmThe Progressive Way was to be further along by now. The people are now more awake and Washington, DC’ failures are more apparent.
Report Post »Via Dolorosa
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 9:23amIf you listen to the mainstream media – the plane “crashed”.
However, if you actually research – and listen to the eye witnesses,
and look at the photographs – you should be able to determine that
the plane was blown up in midair.
A plane crashing on the ground would leave plane parts, body parts, etc.
There was NOTHING there but a crater sized hole.
U.s. Mil. doesn’t want to have people know they shot down their own people –
hence the story spin. The passengers on that flight may have attempted to
take the muslims by force – but a plane crashing would leave a ……. plane – or
some parts of it. There was NOTHING left –
N-O-T-H-I-N-G.
RRFlyer
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 9:30amThere would be much more “parts” and pieces scattered farther if it blew up in flight than crashing in one piece.
Report Post »John Connor
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 9:41amYou are correct, the plane was shot down. Why were “they” recovering debris from Indian Lake and the surrounding area? Indian lake is a couple of miles from the crash site..
Report Post »JediPatriot
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 9:44amWatch the video posted by Daddy Warbucks. It shows just how far apart the debris was scattered.
Report Post »Peace
grabyrgun
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 9:48amyour logic is flawed. if it was blown up in the air, pieces would break away and be recovered. if it hit the ground intact, the ensuing flames would consume everything. but you keep on keeping on truther…
Report Post »cloudsofwar
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 9:55amif the plane was shot down there would have been debris on the ground maybe for miles. when a plane is blown up in flight it rains parts and bodies. look at the plane that was blown up over ireland, the parts on the ground. and the mans video says noting about fighter jets flying overhead if they were there he would have heard and seen them. stop with the nonsence already.
Report Post »aggiebrewer
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 10:02amat 600 miles an hour it leaves a smoking hole…
Report Post »I worked crash crew in the Navy and have seen it before.
curtisgb
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 10:06amLook at the Lockerbie bombing and compare that to the valu jet crash. Pieces from a blown up plane versus big hole in the swamp from an impact. Sounds like a good conspiracy theory though because if the flight had continued much longer it almost certainly would have been blown up. Rather than let another plane taken over by terrorists crash into another building.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 10:09amDid it go boom in the air or get sent into the ground?
Answer — Lockerbeed, Scottland. The terror bombing that took down the plane was IN THE AIR and debris was scattered everywhere for miles, large and small parts, along with bodies and the rest.
Look to the other crashes where the plane has gone into the ground, there are parts found all around the sight. Just look through the newspapers since planes first came about and you will see the fact is clear, this flight WAS NOT SHOT DOWN OR BLOWN UP IN THE AIR.
Report Post »666Sucks
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 10:26amDear Via, I for one respect conspiracy theorists, a name the left applies to people who seek the truth. I was in the Army 23 years and a cop, so it’s in my nature to question that which is questionable. But you need to do som research not just listen to one side. If thplane went straight down into the ground, that was reonably soft (not rock) then the momentum will drive most of the debris into the ground. I was not involved in any part of that investigation, but there was some debris at the site localized tp the impact crater. If it was shot down, there would have been numerous eye and ear witnesses. The sound of the multiple jets, the launch of the missile, the impact and the plane would have come down, depending on how much missile damage, over a large swath of real-estate. It’s like the wing nuts who said they saw explosions as the buildings collapsed. Yes you could see windows blowing out, but it was from the pressure of the buildings co lazing on enclosed offices. We need you to question that which seems suspicious, but refer to science not anti government lunatics for answers. And keep on questioning!
Report Post »USAMama
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 10:50amI think this video actually helps put that theory to rest. Watch it again, this guy witnessed it and says the plane crashed and a huge mushroom cloud came up. The only thing he says about a bomb is “that‘s what they’re saying on TV” but his actual account of what he saw does not sound like a bomb blowing up or planes shooting it down. He doesn‘t mention fighter jets anywhere in the area and he doesn’t mention the plane blowing up mid- air.
Report Post »mcmeador
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 11:26amCut it out with the truther BS. Most plane crashes are not nose dives into the ground, so your understanding of what a normal plane crash would leave behind doesn’t really apply here. Also, your claim that NOTHING was found is absolutely wrong. That’s based on a deliberate misquote from Loose Change from the coroner who arrived at the scene. Loose Change claims that he said that he stopped being a coroner because there were no bodies. However, the coroner has addressed the issue himself. What he actually said was that he stopped being a coroner because the cause of death was obvious. There were no complete bodies, but they did find enough body parts and DNA to identify all of the passengers. For a movement of “truthers,” you all ironically base your inane theories on half-truths and lies.
Report Post »TroyBray
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 11:35amReally? I suppose you’ve done a lot of research on the effects of a plane nosediving into the ground, and the type of “wound” it would leave. In my opinion, a crater with debris spread over a wide area (similar to what an artillery shell would produce) is what you should expect in the “official” version, and that is what I saw in pictures of the crash site.
Report Post »And so what if the Air Force shot down the plane? Three planes had already crashed into buildings, causing more deaths than just the people on the plane. The people on the plane were dead anyway, no matter what the Air Force did, but people on the ground were in danger.
Idiot conspiracy theorists. Spend some time fixing problems, instead of inventing plots and conspiracies that don’t exist.
4BlueStars
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 11:39amNOTHING, because it exploded on impact with tanks full of jet fuel.
Report Post »President Bush has said he gave the order to shoot down any aircraft that did not respond to orders to land. If they had they would have said so.
The passengers overthrew the hijackers, remember?
skippy6
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 11:43amYeah, um the White evil Dasault business jet shot flight 93 down…. yeah right, that’s what it was…..Isn’t it funny how facts stand in the way of idjits like you!!!!
Report Post »danno1964
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 12:14pmWhat a moron. I’m really starting to get tired of you conspiracy nutjobs. Please go away!
Report Post »Quencher
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 12:48pmAmazing how some totally idiotic persons can have all the answers! Even the statements given by you are convincing of the actual event- Not your version! Get a life and try to honor the victims of the 911 tragedy. Your UFO-Bush Hater-America Hater friends should invite you to a convention of idiots like you all are! Then we in the real world would have the real truth, Right ?! There is a place where you will be loved. Best of luck getting there, Idiot!
Report Post »thinkinghuman
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 1:16pmSome here say the video puts conspiracy to rest. They say the videographer “witnessed it” but they don’t realize he was not outside pointing his camera towards a plane going down. No, he was INSIDE his house and he said the explosion complete rocked his house. So he grabs a camera, and maybe MINUTES later he sees a plume of black smoke coming up. In other words, he SAW NOTHING.
The video is useless really, and proves absolutely nothing. The doubters need not glob on to such nonsense conclusions. Boy, there are a lot of nonsense globbers here…
You need to lighten up and believe in more conspiracy. Its all around us. Wake up. Governments generally are evil and do evil things. Look around the world and WITNESS that.
Oh wait, but here in America, we are all RIGHTEOUS and above such evil things.
Report Post »WPtG
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 1:17pmHe says “bomb” because that’s what was being said on the scanner. They were saying it on the scanner because that’s what Ziad Jarrah told ATC when he hijacked the plane. If the plane was blown to pieces in the sky, it would have left a debris field over dozens of miles… not a crater-sized hole.
Report Post »HellPhish89
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 1:57pmyoure a damned idiot. a passenger plane is mostly thin aluminum. plenty of test videos out there that show what happens when a plane hits a solid object.
truthers… the worst people alive..
Report Post »Banana Republic Capitalist
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 1:59pmI heard that Flight 93 crashed because a giant beam of energy was shot onto it from the Islamic Spaceship of Death that orbits Earth. You know, the spaceship that Louis Farrakhan and the Nation Of Islam believes will be sent to destroy all of humanity…
Report Post »Gates
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 2:33pmIf the plane was shot down it oddly enough is not all bad news. There is little question that the flight was headed back to DC with the target probably being the White House or the Hill. As horrible as the consequence of shooting our own citizens out of the air may be, at least it says something about our ability to intercept with deadly force. Horrible choice but speaks to our abilities.
Report Post »Tacit Eagle
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 2:38pmVia Dolorosa,
Since you have determined that nothing was left at the “crash site”, what caused the large crater in the ground?
Report Post »MyAgendaIsTruth
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 2:39pmThere wouldn’t be a creator in the ground unless the plan took a nose dive into the ground thus crashing. If it blew up in mid-air there will be millions of pieces spread out over miles. It wasn’t shot down it crashed into the ground nose first. You can also hear it on the cockpit recorders.
Report Post »Cubzilla
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 3:13pmUhhhh…You nead to READ the actual report from the government and the local fire/rescue departments. There was a lot left but not as much as you would want to see. But…it crashed pretty much going straight down and that would explain the lack of parts you talk about. There were plenty of other parts thrown a ways away from the aircraft. You nead to READ before you post and idiotic message like that. Geeeessssshhhh…conspiricy nuts…
Report Post »woodyb
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 4:47pmHey, VIA — If it blew up in the air, what made the ‘large crater’ (your words)????????????????
Report Post »M 4 Colt
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 4:55pmThose of you who said it blown in in mid air are wrong, when a plane hits the ground at 600 knots (thats 690 MPH) it leaves nothing but a hole in the ground, if you don’t believe me look up some of the photos on line of high speed military airplane crashes. One more point if you think i am wrong look up the Florida Air crash that crashed into the swamps about 20 years ago all it left was a hole in the ground and very little came out of it. The NTSB was lucky with that crash because they were able to find some body parts and a little of the plane like the landing gear ( by the way they found the landing gear at this crash site and the black box flight recorder) this was due to the fact that the plane crashed into water so there was no fire after the crash other then the fire that was on board that caused the crash in the first place. People seem to thing that airplanes are these big indestructible things THEY ARE NOT, they are made out of THIN aluminum, some steel and its all held together by lots and lots of rivets and a few bolts, so when you add speed into the mix and the fact that the plane hit the ground at an 80 degree nose down angle and the FIRE AFTER IMPACT remember now this plane was fully loaded with fuel to make a trip clear across the United States so thats a WHOLE LOT OF FUEL and it had used very little of that fuel because it had just taken off so what your left with is a smoking hole in the ground. End of story.
Report Post »M 4 Colt
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 5:06pmOh ya i forgot to add they found the engines at the crash site too
Report Post »JediPatriot
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 7:29pmM 4 Colt, What are the serial numbers on the flight recorders found at “flight 93′s crash site”? Oh, you don’t know. Weird that nobody knows, isn’t it? Maybe the government is keeping it secret for our safety. Maybe not. IF it’s not for our safety, then why would they need to keep it secret? National security perhaps? I don’t think so. Not ten years after the deed. In fact, the only facts that we know about flight 93 is, well, it’s missing. There is no connection to the “wreckage” and flight 93. Oh, maybe it was the driver’s licenses. I mean, no one could have printed those out. They’ve never done that before. Everything you want to know about this happened before with Vietnam. Look it up. “Enlighten” yourselves. Do what Mr. Beck suggested and get out there and investigate.
Report Post »Peace
BlackAce41
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 7:56pmI am sorry to say you are both wrong. A plane hitting the ground at the speed that United 93 was traveling wen she hit the ground would leave a pit and nothing big enough endless seen with your hand. Body parts would be everywhere and nothing noticeable would present. I know this cause i studied Aviation accidents for four years.
Report Post »MIBUGNU2
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 8:58pmThis Libo-Commie bunch will always say Bush did IT.
Blind HATE…………
Report Post »JediPatriot
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 9:15pmMIBUGNU2, I’m not “Libo-Commie”. And we’re not just blaming Bush 2. It’s the government as a whole. Most of us are Libertarians and we love and honor the Constitution. A lot of us have served in the US armed forces and have lost many friends in these wars and others. We’re people just like yourself. And our hatred for lies and deception are neither blind nor unwarranted.
Report Post »Peace
MIBUGNU2
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 10:02pm@ Via Dolorosa
You shoot it up or blow it up, you got parts and pieces……
You nose it into the ground, generally you end up with a crater..
Check out Pan Am 103..and figure it out for youself…..
Report Post »MIBUGNU2
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 10:25pm@ JediPatriot
Report Post »I too served in the Marine Corps for 6 years in the 60′s.Love My Country.
But I do understand your concern about the Government.. Thought Bush
was pushing it to the limit, But this current Administration has yet to
utter a word of truth since taking Office..Think Fast and Furious will
take out some of them. hopefuly up to Holder, if not the top DOG….
Ookspay
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 10:31pmYou are a moron, there is nothing more to say, except…. they are doing wonderful things with mental disorders these days.
Report Post »sclibertymom
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 10:32pmagreed the wreckage was scattered as far as 8 miles away they don’t even have the decency to tell us they blew it up. oh wait I do believe that if you yahoo Sec Rumsfeld admits they blew it up you can hear it right from his mouth! When you LIE you allways get caught!
Report Post »M 4 Colt
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 11:15pmJedi i don’t need to look up anything because I have family members who live close by the crash site, they sent me photos on line from the aftermath of the crash site, in the photos they sent me were shots of the engines being taken away by truck from the crash site or what was left of them along with the landing gear and as far as the S/N from the flight recorder you ask about i am sure its listed on the NTSB file for this crash but i have to say i have never tried to look it up. I am a pilot and have almost 30 years flight time in high performance aircraft and every so often the FAA sends out a flyer to all pilots that list‘s all the accidents and list’s the out come of the NTSB investigation for that crash, what they listed as the cause of this crash was the controlled flight of the aircraft at a steep nose down attitude into the terrain, the reason for that was the take over of the aircraft from the flight crew by terrorist. There was no bomb, no mid air shoot down by fighter jet, no government cover up, this was just some middle east nut jobs that were trying to make a statement but in the last few minutes of their lives they found out what real Americans are made of, they knew they were going to get their ass’s kicked by the passengers on that plane so they crashed that plane like the cowards they are.
Report Post »Mettag
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 11:26pmyou know the sad thing is that the truthers have a lot in common with the birthers. Dumb conspiracy theories that are only on 1 side of the aisle.
The birthers believe a theory that has been disproven again and again even to the point of Obama releasing his birth cert. Yet, the theory still abounds, not as much but it is still out there with idiot believers.
The truther believe a theory that has also be disproven again and again even to the point they don‘t believe Osama’s own words that he planed the attacks. Yet, the theory still abounds, not as much but it is still out there with idiot believers.
To all the birthers out there, realize you are no different from the truthers…IDIOTS
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 11:45pmFlight 592 left Miami in May 1996, had some smoke inside the cabin, the pilot (who was not scheduled to fly that day) over reacted, did a spin-out-over-the-top and it crashed, straight down, into the Everglades. Only a small hole was left. No airplane parts or people were ever recovered.
Report Post »http://www3.gendisasters.com/florida/4039/miami,-fl-valujet-plunges-everglades,-may-1996
Sometimes, heavy things shaped like a pencil, falling straight down to Earth do very weird things.
JediPatriot
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 11:47pmSorry, Mettag, neither was proven. Not sure where you‘re getting your info but you’re mistaken. Besides, if it is the real deal, and it’s not, what took Barry Sotero so long to let it out? Anyone? Can anyone answer me why they would worship a government that kills thousands of people over nothing at all? I’m not talking about Afghanistan or Iraq. I’m talking about Vietnam. People, if you are listening to Main Stream Media (MSN, FOX, CBS, ABC), you are listening to propaganda. Did you know that some of the first films in theaters were propaganda pieces to make us hate another country? No? Look it up.
Report Post »Peace
marvthemartian
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 11:56pmDon’t believe anything the Government tells you. The mainstreet media tells you what the Government tells them to.
Government lies=Viet Nam war
Government lies=war on Terriorism
One day the sheelpe will have to apologize to the Truthers. Just sayin’.
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 12:03am@Mettag
Report Post »The Birther movement was started by a Hilary Clinton political group called PUMA. They wanted to discredit Obama so Hilary would win. I forgot what PUMA originally stood for but it ended up standing for “Political Unity My A**”. Here’s some websites to back up my claims. Most of the people still bringing up the birther thing are Obama supporters and the WH trying to discredit Tea Party people.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jun/07/hillaryclinton.barackobama
http://vbonnaire.wordpress.com/2008/06/02/if-you-are-pro-hillary-clinton-come-and-join-the-pumas-cross-posted-from-the-confluence/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_United_Means_Action
M 4 Colt
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 6:45amThe Monk, i am sorry to disagree with you about the crash of value jet but if you read the NTSB report you will see the information i am about to give is correct. Yes the pilot did lose control of the aircraft but it was not of his own doing.
The fire that started in the baggage compartment was caused by O2 canister that did not have their safety’s installed right and were being sent back to Value Jet, the O2 canisters had just been inspected by a company called Saber tech, the repair tech that inspected them did not install the safety’s on the cans right, how i know this information is correct is because i use to work for Saber Techs overhaul center in Phoenix when this crash happened.
One of the cans caught fire and started the rest of the cans in the case on fire, the fire was VERY HOT and it burned through the control cables that move the control surfaces on the aircraft so once they were burned through the pilots could no longer control the plane so then they were just spectators to the crash, but hay they at least had a front row seat to the crash, right. As for the passengers the NTSB report stated that they had all been overcome by the smoke and heat in the cabin, so at least they were not awake when they hit the ground.
Report Post »M 4 Colt
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 7:13amJust an fyi the O2 cans are used to generate oxygen for the passengers in the event of lost of cabin pressure. When you go on a flight the flight attended tells you that in the event of the lost of cabin pressure that a mask will drop down in front of you the O2 can uses heat to generate oxygen through a chemical reaction part of the reaction causes the can to get VERY HOT. Oh ya Monk, one more thing they did find parts of the plane after the crash how else do you think they were able to find out what caused the crash in the first place.
Report Post »sailfished
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 12:51pmwent through 3 pages of comments here and this is my 2cents, the debate here centers on wether the events of 9-11 have been accurately explained by the nist report and the 9-11 commission report.The back and forth here follows the same pattern as every other debate on this topic, namely sincere questioning of the official story on one side ,and vitriolic ad hominem attacks from the statists. So i will just remind those on both sides that even this little debate forum is a fount of info. for those who have for the first time been confronted with ANY info at all on this subject. This will cause many,not all ,to check out the unearthed details of 9-11 . Progress.There are millions of us who initally believed the official version mainly because we had no opposing views presented. I would wager that there are thousands of folk on this site alone who FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER EVEN HEARD OF BLDG.7. that was me 3.5 years ago. So, down the rabbit hole you go, good luck , realize that your intellectual honesty is going to cost you in many ways , take your time ,research carefully. I do not know what precisely happened on that Sept. morn. ,but I do know that we need a new investigation as the governments version is a lie. Follow the money and ask yourself who benefits Take care ,God bless..
Report Post »jtssrx
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 3:35pmWho knows what happened. I’ve always questioned a plane crash becuase i never saw the typical things you see at a plane crash site “engines, Wings, ect ect”
Report Post »Mettag
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 3:56pm@The-Monk
Report Post »You are correct, the birthed movement was born (no pun intended) inside the Clinton campaign, but was picked up by conservatives after the Clinton campaign crashed. Most of those conservative are now tea party people.
The whole conspiracy theory of his birth location was ludicrous from the moment it start, but some people were to dumb to see through it. We didn’t need his birth cert to prove he is a natural born American, but still some are to dumb to believe. This theory has been disproven again and again.
Just like the theory of the truther movement, it has been disproven again and again yet some idiots still believe it.
JediPatriot
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 8:55pmMeetag, sorry, but the “truther” movement has not been “disproved”. In fact, you “deniers” are giving us so little proof that you are actually helping our cause, and we appreciate that. Remember (I hope you do) to look up Gulf of Tonkin, Able Danger, Pearl Harbor, USS Liberty, and other false flag operations.
Report Post »Peace
Mettag
Posted on September 7, 2011 at 7:13pm@JediPatriot
you say little proof, so videos of the 2 planes flying into the WTC (including 1 on live TV) and a video of the plane flying into the pentagon aren’t proof. No proof of bombs or anything to suggest we had a hand in it.
Look the fact is that your “movement” is on the wrong side of the majority and you have to prove your beliefs. We don’t have to prove anything because it is proven, you have to prove it because your theory is so implausible it is ridiculous. Just the same as the birthers.
I study the truther movement to see if there was any truth to it and found that the science is bad, the math is bad, and entire movement is a left-wing sham attempt at Pres Bush.
Report Post »JediPatriot
Posted on September 7, 2011 at 8:50pm@Mettag, I never once said that planes did not fly into the twin towers. That is obvious. Pentagon? No proof there. Just a poor video from a gas station across the road that is not a clear picture. In fact, they had to tell us that it was a jet in order for us to even believe it. Where are the pentagon camera films? Didn’t think so. My “theories” are implausible? That we would attack ourselves? OMG, man! Gulf of Tonkin! The fact that our govt was going to dress up Navy SEALS to attack soldiers in order to legitimize a war on Iran. What else do you need? And, as usual, like others here, you have not read my posts or studied the truth movement. We are not attacking Bush 2. We are blaming the govt as a whole. Quit protecting them. Our math is not bad. 3,000+ architects prove our science is correct. Your reading skills are what stinks here.
Report Post »Peace
Chet Hempstead
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 6:59amHave you ever seen the wreckage of a plane that plowed nose first into the ground at full speed, or is your idea of what it should look like based on truther videos that make deceptive comparisons with the debris fields of planes whose pilots were trying not to crash?
Report Post »TWO BITS
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 9:20am“Let’s roll!” On 9/11, American heros rose to confront sadistic evil. A decade later, my tears of pride and gratitude still flow easily, but there is also anger that this administration has turned legitimate political debate about this country’s security and prosperity into racial and class warfare. America‘s promise and survival depend on Obama’s defeat in 2012.
Report Post »thinkinghuman
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 1:18pmI don’t believe just about anything “they” say anymore, whether its a politician, an official, or the news. Call me crazy.
Why do you believe and trust?
Report Post »Banana Republic Capitalist
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 2:01pmIsn’t Van Jones a truther? Just sayin’…
Report Post »JediPatriot
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 5:43pmVan Jones is not a truther. He only jumped on to gain allies. All one has to do is look into his past and figure that out.
Report Post »Peace
MIBUGNU2
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 9:08pm@ Two Bits
Very well said..This Admin. has yet to utter a word of truth sinse it took office..
They make Bush and Crew look like Chior Boy’s (Saints)……I voted for Obama.
worst mistake I’ve made in My lifetime……….
Report Post »looseyloo
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 12:23amJedipatriot, yes Van Jones is a truther. Not sure what you mean when you suggest we look at his past. I looked at it and it is clear he is a communist. But I only say that because he said he was and because he associated himself with communists and communist organizations and sympathizers.
By the way, his followers are also communists, marxists, far left radicals and assorted mental cases. But they are probably nice people, so there is that…
Report Post »JediPatriot
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 12:34amYes, looseyloo, that was my point. His only ties are to the (State) communists. Van Jones is a truther as much as I am a denier. There is no merit behind what he says. He is a conniving, manipulative usurper and only uses things/people that he thinks he can. His only contribution to the truth movement is making us look like (State) communists or Sotero lovers.
Report Post »Peace
JediPatriot
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 12:40amlooseyloo, Do you trust the government? Would you trust ANY president or ANY politician with you life or the life of a child or the life of a thousand children? (Remember, these people get money no matter what they do – no matter how good they are at their job or how bad. When they do something illegal they don’t go to prison, they just retire.)
Report Post »MerrittG
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 9:11amAs we approach the 10th anniversary of the largest attack on American soil, let us not forget the Heroes that valiantly sacrificed their lives in order to save others, or forget the Heroes that drove that plane into the ground, or the Heroes that rushed into burning buildings to save our neighbors, or Our Men and Women in uniform, fighting to keep this nation free. Let us not forget how we felt as we watched those towers fall, how we felt when we gathered with strangers to pray, what we heard as the world remained silent. Let us not forget the emotions, the anger, the hurt, the fear, the compassion, the brotherly love. Let us not forget how we turned to God in hopes that he would hear our prayers. Let us remember! God bless the families that suffered great loss and God Bless America!
Report Post »CleanUpAisle2013
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 12:07pm@MERRITTG Thanks for saying it all. I sat last night at the computer and watched a couple of hours of video from that horrendous day and everything you wrote … all of those emotions … came rushing back. I watched the videos by some of the “truthers”, too. Interesting theories. Pure bunk.
Report Post »The History Channel has an enlightening perspective on 9/11 in New York as it allows you to interact and see and hear from nine who were there that day with video cameras in hand at various locations throughout the New York City area. http://www.history.com/interactives/witness-to-911
Should someone desire to know what evil looks like they need only to spend time watching 9/11 home videos and see evil’s destructive powers. Those jumping from the Towers = ultimate, understandable desperation. Those brave rescuers rushing into the Towers = all that is good and righteous about this great nation. Never forget the hurt and sacrifice. Never forget the resolve that day to confront those who strive to destroy us. God Bless the United States of America, this world’s last great hope for triumph over evil.
thinkinghuman
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 1:24pmYes, and as you remember the heroes, also remember the real struggle for freedom, and how men and women in all ages past have sought for power over their fellow man, and continue to fight wars and do treachery to gain power and monies, and yes, they do murder too. Let’s not forget that the official theories do NOT add up, there is plenty of plausible doubt in that, and there are also some GLARING inconsistencies like the most obvious WT7, the third and relatively untalked about building that came down at demolition speed, and no plane hit it at all. Amazing inconsistency.
Remember that even in America we have had previous civil wars. Remember that sometimes there are really bad people in charge, calling the shots. Remember that, and don’t be stoopid in the end.
Report Post »Atilla
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 8:34amThe leap to the conclusion that “there must have been a bomb on board” is just that, a conclusion without any evidence. 600MPH impact of tanks of jet fuel would cause just what was on the video and many variations thereof. The women who talked to her husband prior to “lets roll” must have been in on the government “plot.” Ventura to the rescue. Not
Report Post »AB5r
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 8:53amI don’t know how you can criticize the videographer witness, at this point, when the crash was still burning, no one in the media had reported that some of the passengers, having spoken to relatives by cell phone, knew of the attacks and had decided to rush the cockpit and attempt to stop the hijackers, or bring the plane down if the only option. Had the plane been shot down by American armed forces perhaps the witness would have seen other jets flying in the area.
Report Post »felix
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 9:05amnut ball
Report Post »MontanaRob
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 10:05amdaddy warbucks Posted: Explain this:
youtube
The Legend of 9/11 — 10 Years On by Anthony Lawson
Oversimplified statements with a dramatic visual and audio presentation do not reality make!
Report Post »The “greatest lie ever told” is the one culminating with this administration. It is that marxist ideology is the pinnacle of man’s developement, when in fact it is the decline.
AB5r
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 8:24amIt has been ten years and Mecca is still standing.
Report Post »biohazard23
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 8:57amWTH are we waiting for???
Report Post »AB5r
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 9:09amI guess most people figure, why destroy it, we are all going to be Muslims eventually anyway.
Report Post »tvr54
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 8:06amBig Kahoona, Thanks for the link that says it all.
Report Post »JediPatriot
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 8:13amNo it doesn’t. It never shows one body. It just talks about the bodies. Where are the bodies? Don’t you guys listen to Mr. Beck? Look these things up for yourselves. Be brave.
Report Post »Peace
kickagrandma
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 7:58amThank you for the video. Thank you that you thought to make it and to provide a running commentary. You sound mighty controlled for someone witnessing what we all saw that day. Maybe that’s a manly trait?
Those of you who continue to belittle our government bbho can give it a rest! Let’s deal with the big black hole that covers Washington D.C. since the arrival of the imposter and all the folks working with him (NOT SUBTLY, I might add) to destroy our country. Anyone else see smoke there????
I stand with those who thank GOD ALMIGHTY that George W. Bush was President of the United States of America when those idiots attacked our country.
If they do it again with the current usurper in office, he’ll throw them a party at OUR HOUSE just before he heads to the sand dunes or jungles where he belongs.
Can you tell I’ve had it up to my chinstraps with this admin? : )
Report Post »louise
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 8:28amKickagranma,
I have always liked reading your comments here on the blaze, and I agree our main focus is what is happening (or not happening) in Washington.
Like all Americans during the time immediately following 9/11, I was 100%on board with Bush, and the war in Afghanistan to “get the terrorists”. I separated all loyalty with Bush when I found out he and his administration lied about wmd in Iraq. Those lies were the catalyst for my re-education regarding our Constitution and and our American Heritage. I am still learning.
The first time I saw the towers collapse, I gasped and said to my husband, “That was a demolition”.
There are so many unanswered questions surrounding that day. The main piece of truth that I learned over the past 10 years is that fire did not cause those towers to pancake…nor did fire cause building 7 to pancake.
As we near the 10th anniversary of 9/11, my thoughts and pryers are with the families who lost loved ones and also with all those heroic first responders who lost their lives or were hurt trying to save others. God bless them all.
Report Post »Ailene Wright
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 8:30amCouldn’t agree more.
Report Post »Tyr
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 10:15amWMDs in the form chemical weapons (Sarin, Mustard and Lewisite) contained in artillery and mortor rounds, WERE found at a cache along the border with Syria. It was classified Top Secret bcause the munitions had been manufactured in the U.S., Great Britain and Canada and had been given to Saddam Huissein during his eight year war with Iran. That information was leaked along time ago.
Report Post »comeANDtakeIT_78629
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 10:36amI completely agree KG. Bush did have his faults obviously, but I do feel he was the right man for the job during those moments. For those who still believe that the towers, along with building 7, went down because of “an” explosion are so ignorant! Go look at actual demolition videos of buildings and you’ll see that even for the smallest sky rise buildings that it took a lot of explosions to take the building down and those explosion were so obvious and noticeable! All you here with from those people who try to claim that a coordinated demolition was the cause ALWAYS refer to the “one or few” explosions that can be heard. How is one explosion or two or five going to take down structures like that of the twin towers and building 7? GO TO YOUTUBE…. SEARCH BUILDING DEMOLITIONS VIDEOS.. and you will see how these types of buildings are TRULLY demolished.. here’s a perfect example…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qk06ax1SRIM&feature=related
Get over it and move on already.. TERRORIST WERE THE REASONS THE TOWERS FELL!!
Report Post »Tyr
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 11:01amDemolition charges are routinely built into massive skyscrapers. It was decided in the early 40′s that if a large building in a downtown metropolitain area were to topple sideways during a fire, the damage to adjacent areas would be devastating. Engineers and architects were worrid about this for decades. In the mid-1960′s technology was to the point where buildings were routinely being brought down with explosives in controlled implosions. It was decided that the twin towers needed to be outfitted with controlled demo charges built into them so they could be dropped into their own footprint if the need arose, to avoid collateral damage. The charges were never armed until they were needed and could be detonated from a remote location. This ain’t fiction boys and girls it is engineering fact. Deal with it!
Report Post »thinkinghuman
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 1:41pmI don’t like or support Obama at all, did not vote for him. But your lovefest with Bush is beyond nauseating, as it assumes that GB was everything he pretended to be. His father was CIA head, his father started all the big wars in the middle east there starting at Kuwait, his father tried to usher in the NEW WORLD ORDER four times on national TV when he said, verbatim, “We are entering into a NEW WORLD ORDER” and he did that in 1990 when I witnessed it myself on national TV.
Bush Jr. continued that TRILLION DOLLAR WASTE in Iraq and found no WMD or proof for the cause of the war, and it all looks really BAD for Bush. It all looks like conspiracy.
Report Post »ForeignWatcher
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 1:52pmTYR, thats…a LIE. Plain and simple. Either you are lying to us or were lied to. Oh, you can prove you are right? do so, truther…
Report Post »Tyr
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 2:32pmWhy do I have to prove a point that is common knowledge among Engineers and Architects. Has anyone asked them? If they were asked and told the truth about it, would it be published? I have an idea! Why don’t you do the research (on the web is good enough)v and stop looking for sites concerning 9/11 and look to the .edu and .org sites instead. P.S. I’m not a liar! If I am a liar reporting what I know, then so is Glenn.
Report Post »looseyloo
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 12:00amTYR, you are just insane. There are no demolition explosives built into buildings. That is just about the most idiotic thing anybody could ever suggest.
It is almost funny– that’s how stupid it is.
When demo experts want to take down a building, they can rig the explosives to make the building fall in the manner they want. If they need it to fall left, they can do that. They can make it fall to the right or just collapse and come straight down.
They don’t build explosives into buildings with some sort of secret trigger that can suddenly cause the building to collapse. There are no explosives built into buildings. None. You are an idiot for even suggesting that.
Report Post »JediPatriot
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 12:44amcomeANDtakeIT_78629, that is almost exactly how tower 7 fell (In it’s own shadow). Thank you for that video and proving that WTC 7 was a controlled demolition.
Report Post »Peace
TomFerrari
Posted on September 11, 2011 at 9:59am@louise – If I tell you there is a snake in your yard, and you call an exterminator to catch it, are YOU A LIAR?
NO.
You relied on MY information.
I may have been wrong, but, YOU WERE NOT LYING – you stated what you believed to be the facts.
NEVER FORGET – ONLY CONGRESS CAN DECLARE WAR.
Was I a liar when I told you there was a snake?
If I saw a hose and THOUGHT it was a snake, then, NO, I was acting on what I believed to be the truth.
If I heard a rattle… same thing.
If I was trying to force you to call an exterminator – THEN I would be a liar.
Where did Bush get his intel?
Britain. That’s where.
So, if you want to blame someone for a “lie” – start with the British.
But, I don’t think they wanted to force America into a war.
Sometimes people are just incorrect.
Now, we can start a WHOLE NEW debate as to whether wmd WERE once there, and were rushed across the borders, since they had WEEKS of notice that we were coming.
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TomFerrari
Posted on September 11, 2011 at 10:02am@mindlesshuman – And, obama COMPLETED the spending spree with FOUR TRILLION DOLLARS in NEW DEBT, in only TWO YEARS, and has saddled us with TRILLIONS MORE coming down the pike when obamacare becomes fully enacted. Fortunately, NEVER GONNA HAPPEN !
Report Post »Rayblue
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 7:40amSince 911 was an event unparalleled in video history, some elements will be construed as unusual.
Report Post »Conspiracy theorists are just that. Theorists.
And we all know how much mileage a popular “theory” can get in these days of charlatans.
JediPatriot
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 7:47amConspiracy facts: The Government knew about, and allowed to happen, Pearl Harbor. The Gulf of Tonkin DID NOT happen. Lee Harvey Oswald was affiliated with the CIA. The CIA, ATF, and DEA are supplying weapons to, and getting drugs from, Mexico: Operation Fast and Furious. With a government that lies to you constantly, how can you believe ANYTHING they say?
Report Post »Peace
Quagmir
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 8:04amConspiricy Fact: Flight 93 did not crash here, it was routed to the pacific for the TV show Lost footage of the plane deep under the sea.
Report Post »JediPatriot
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 8:12amReally, Quagmir? Is that all you have to offer? A joke about a TV show? No seriousness in a serious debate? Come on, man. Look these things up. Check them out for yourself. I think you might be amazed.
Report Post »Peace
Rayblue
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 8:39amMore charlatans than you can shake a stick at.
Report Post »I’ve heard all the theories. I’ve seen all the footage. I’ve done my “homework”. I can certainly think for myself.
But to you I’m still blind and wrong. Good luck pushing this garbage to the next century.
JediPatriot
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 8:53amIgnorance is bliss, eh? I hope it gets your country back.
Report Post »Peace
pattybbb1
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 9:00am@quagmir– I saw that TV Show!!
Report Post »In all seriousness, This man that did the video, is now deceased. But his video lives on. He has left a legacy, a record of what he saw that day. It should be very special to his family.
Rayblue
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 9:21amIgnorance is your speciality..jedi
Report Post »The government isn’t smart enough to hide the trails that would be left after such an undertaking.
You must think they are a bunch of massive minded illuminati or something.
They’re no smarter than you or I. Easy to see through. Bad decisions and stupid policies.
30 years in State and Federal government makes for more credibility than misleading videos.
Am I “responsible” now ? What am I hiding ? Why don’t I listen to reason ? Whatever.
JediPatriot
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 9:32amThe government doesn’t have to be smart if the people are scared and sheepish. And ignorance? The only ignorance showing here, is yours. Your comments/attacks at me and others like me are showing the rest of us just how afraid of the truth you are. Everything that I have put on this article has been PROVEN. Not just by “videos” but by the government itself. Ignorance is my specialty? Really? That’s all you can come up with? After all of this? Come on…… Are we adults or are we children?
Report Post »Peace
JediPatriot
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 9:38amThe government doesn’t have to be smart if the people are scared and sheepish. Your comments/attacks at me and others like me, are showing us just how afraid of the truth you are. Everything that I have posted in this article has been proven. Not just by “videos” but by the government itself. Ignorance is my specialty? Really? Come on. Are we adults or are we children?
Report Post »Peace
JediPatriot
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 10:08am@ Rayblue, I don’t want to argue with you, I’m just pointing out the facts and defending myself and others like me. A lot of us had family inside the Trade Center Towers, and we just want to see justice. A lot of us were nearly killed, and have lost friends in the wars created by 9-11, and we just want to see justice. I meant no disrespect to you. Just pointing our the facts.
Report Post »Peace
Quagmir
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 10:34amYes Jedi, Thats all you get is a joke, like all your posts seem to be, They do not warrant anything better than that. I have seen both sides and know what is correct. You will no doubt call me blind and ignorant for having an opinion that differs from yours. I will spend my time educating myself on useful matters while you fight something you can never prove, no matter how strongly you feel about it.
Report Post »Mil-Dot
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 10:36amRayblue
Report Post »So, you have had your hand in the pockets of the American people for 30 years or so huh? Man, would I love to have your pension.
Rayblue
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 11:14amMil-dot..
Report Post »Yep, you’d love having a pension for doing what you do. Which is ?
And I don’t recall calling jed names other than what he implied toward me. Thin skinned I suppose.
But all the nonsense aside, I learned in government that there is always someone who will see something no matter how hard it’s hidden. I have much to say about State policies, EPA, Fed gov, and city municipalities. And say them quite often. To everyone. So I understand how you and jed feel when only a few really listen. I also know personally about coverups from experience.
But outright murder of thousands by our own is pushing the envelope. And will remain in the realm of speculation.
G.W. Dobbs
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 12:01pmI worked in the USAF Military Airlift Command HQ at Scott AFB, Ill., 1966-1968 in the Inspector General’s Office; in this job, I had the privledge to review Investigations of every Air Craft Accident occurring in those times. At NO TIME did I ever see ANY ACCIDENT without photos of the actual plane and parts. NONE.
Report Post »Mil-Dot
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 12:42pm@Rayblue
Report Post »I am a Cisco Networking Engineer for a large corp. I am actually screwed by a middle man tech placement service like many in my industry. You know, charge the customer $85 per hour and then pay us 1/3 of that. Those guys. And, I can tell you for sure, I don’t get the perks you do. Is that enough for ya?
Mil-Dot
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 12:48pm@Rayblue
Report Post »Also, I agree with everything that you said. I just wish I had you pension and perks, that’s all.
thinkinghuman
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 1:43pmConspiracy “theorists” are always validated by history. More like conspiracy REALISTS.
Report Post »ForeignWatcher
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 2:01pmYes, allways…like..you know, this one time…
More like never?
Report Post »JediPatriot
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 5:30pmRemember, Rayblue, that this is the same government (just a different head figure) that wanted to dress Navy SEALs up like Iranian soldiers, put them onto an Iranian boat and have them attack US sailors, just to get into a war with Iran. If 9-11 was executed by the federal government, then they have more than a few thousand people’s deaths on their hands. Oddly enough, the same thing happened for Vietnam. False Flag.
Report Post »Peace (and the word you used was charlatan)
Rayblue
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 6:10pmDon’t assume about “perks”.
Report Post »It doesn’t upset me to hear that used. If you knew, you’d laugh too.
and Jed. I‘m not ignorant if you’re not a charlatan.
JediPatriot
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 7:24pm“and Jed. I‘m not ignorant if you’re not a charlatan.”
I guess I’m a charlatan (by your words, not mine) because that is one of the most ignorant things I’ve heard. Sounds a lot like, “You’re either with us, or you’re against us.” Bush 2.
Report Post »Peace (Sorry, if you want the last word in, just let me know. I’ll stop typing.)
Rayblue
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 8:02pmHave it your way. You’re an overbearing, ignorant brainwashed twit with no sense of when to stop making a complete fool with your outlandishly incompetent stance on subjects you obviously know diddly about. Your childish copy and paste tactics only allow you the luxury of stroking your own massively small “ego” for the period before your bedtime. You attach yourself to a complete epic fail
Report Post »of a conspiracy theory like a sea lamprey attached to a mackerel.
I await your last word, oh billy of the hill.
JediPatriot
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 8:49pmWhen one has very little fact to help with their argument, they often employ aggressive tactics to thwart their foe (like name calling and such). You, sir, have proven this point. You cannot back any claims up with fact, where I have done so. (Remember: The government admitted as much.) You are on the website, created by a conspiracy theorist (Mr. Beck). All I have to offer you is the truth. What you do with it, is up to you. Also remember, the government that you worship cannot prove that 9-11 was NOT an inside job. Tell me, when your child (if you have any) does something wrong and tells you he/she didn’t do it, do you let your child do their own investigation? Or do you do the investigating?
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Rayblue
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 9:13pmImpressive, but you are not a Jedi yet.
Report Post »I suppose I could investigate the hollow earth theory.
That’s about the same speed as the troother BS. Maybe a little more down to earth though.
Or the theory of evolution. That’s a real knee slapper. Or how about “who investigates the investigators”. That’s a circle with no end like your derpified mental twirlybird ride leading to conclusions put forth by the three men in black. If acquiring a life is too much trouble, I suggest sleeping it off. You’ll wake up in a new world each day. As is evidenced.
Begin your repost, reprobate..
JediPatriot
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 9:21pmI am neither depraved, wicked or unprincipled. In fact, my principles are very close to Christian. Even in the bible it says that “right will be considered wrong, and wrong will be considered right.” For eight and a half years I have tried to sleep off the truth but as you can see, the truth is still here. 9-11 WAS an inside job (if either directly involved or allowed it to happen). How can you believe a government that will lie to you?
Report Post »Peace
Rayblue
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 10:09pmI command you to respond. If you do not respond, you will not win the banana.
Report Post »You are under my power. Look into my typing. You are getting sleepy, sleepy……..
Good. Now, send me your allowance.
JediPatriot
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 2:14amOne more thing, Rayblue. Operation Northwoods. Everyone who denies that our government (republican or democrat) would harm our own people should look this up along with the Gulf of Tonkin. Please, for your own sake.
Report Post »Peace
Rayblue
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 7:15amIt works.
Report Post »You CAN be hypnotized by the printed word.
And by the way, you have been all along. You just aren’t awake to realize it.
Go back to sleep now. Dream your nightmare till the cows come home.
Peace.
JediPatriot
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 8:49amYou’ve got nothing to stand on, Rayblue. That‘s why you’re giving me all the silliness. You cannot “unprove” what has been proved. I don’t mean to bruise your ego, but it appears that us “truthers” are more correct than anyone gives us credit for. You see, when we are not a work or with family, we spend our time researching (and I don’t mean just by YouTube videos). I think we owe it to those people who were murdered in the 9-11 attacks. Don’t you?
Report Post »Peace
Rayblue
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 10:48amBy the way, I have the real evidence of the coverup. I know it’s true. But they will get me if I talk. They know who I am now. They know who you are too. Better watch over your shoulder.
Report Post »They’ll be listening on your calls to the masonic lodge.
Nail the door shut and put out the lights. Cover the floor with Jello. .
Rayblue
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 11:52amAnd you couldn’t bruise a peach with a hammer.
Report Post »Piece…
biggreenboo
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 3:11pmAnd the winner is………. JEDI !!!!!!!!
Report Post »Rayblue
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 7:18pmAnd the prize is Hitlers brain.
Report Post »JediPatriot
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 7:50pmRayblue, after insulting us “truthers”, you still have nothing else to offer other than more insults?
Report Post »Peace
Rayblue
Posted on September 7, 2011 at 7:09pmHow’s Hitlers brain working out for you ?
War.
Report Post »Rayblue
Posted on September 7, 2011 at 7:28pmYou can’t suck me into an argument that has no provable end.
Report Post »But your ability to be tenacious is noteworthy nonetheless. And I commend you for your efforts.
So I’ll concede. Not that I “believe” anything you’ve said, but you really try to finish a job once you’ve started. See you around the posts.
JediPatriot
Posted on September 7, 2011 at 8:56pmI promise you, my intentions were not to “suck” people into arguments. My intentions were to help “enlighten” people. That was part of Mr.s Becks idea, after all. I didn’t mean to offend anyone here, in any way. I just want to see justice done to those who have created this problem and blamed it on others. To be honest, I am not for an Islamic America. I am a Christian at heart and love my freedoms. But I don’t want my freedom to be based on a lie. I served my country believing it was the only country that was right and I found out, in the end, that I was wrong. Very wrong. I still love her, but she needs to fall back on what made her. The Constitution, the truth, and the people.
Report Post »Peace
Sy Kosys
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 7:36amI’ll see your conspiracy, and raise you
IF this uber-secret plot were to be real
IF gov‘t ’black-ops’ or whatever were behind this
* IF IT WERE ALL TRUE *
……then why haven’t these same mysterious entities gathered and erased all such knowledge from the public mind? Sure would seem to me that an org SO POWERFUL as to orchestrate 3 avionics crash-sites with missiles, or depleted uranium, or hell even George Bush f’ing did it….seems that these same folk would ‘clean up’ their mess a little better….
OR IS THAT WHAT THEY *WANT* YOU TO THINK?!?
lmfao @ you artards
Report Post »JediPatriot
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 7:50amBecause, name-caller, they want blood in our streets. They want a violent revolution. Don’t you watch, now listen, to the man who is behind the Blaze? Or do (ewe) just graze?
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 8:14amIf George Bush was involved, don’t you think Obama would be yelling the proof from the rooftops? He’s got access now. Even Van Jones had access. The more likely scenario is that the terrorists made double sure of the devestation by putting a bomb on board as well as aiming towards targets. I researched a bit and any really hot fire (including forest fires) can cause a mushroom cloud, not just atomic weapons. they said atomic weapons that hit the ground, don’t cause a mushroom cloud, only those detonated above the ground.
Report Post »JediPatriot
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 8:19amloriann12, would you believe if I told you that both democrats and republicans were the same? Ok….. Would you believe it if Mr. Beck said it? He did. Has any REAL difference been made (other than our country getting worse) when another president from the “other side of the spectrum” has come in to “change things”? Would you believe that all of our presidents, since maybe before JFK, have been working for someone else? Maybe like the Council on Foreign Relations? So, if this were true, would Obama speak out against Bush? Their agenda is the same. Destroy the United States.
Report Post »Peace
Mil-Dot
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 12:52pmJedi
Report Post »Respectfully, there is no man behind the Blaze. I would bet that Glen doesn’t know from one day to the next what that Huffpo Chick that he hired to run the Blaze is doing. It is just one of many money making ventures for him. I mean, why all of the censorship? We were free to talk openly until she and her goony little friends came along. But, we get your point.
JediPatriot
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 12:41amMil-Dot, you’re probably right about that.
Report Post »Peace
RWNJ01
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 7:09amGWILLIE
Twice plains had experienced this kind of destruction, 1 was that Jet blue crash in Florida and another near Denver. Hi speed impacts do that to planes (see above video)
JetBlue has never lost a plane, that was ValueJet in the Everglades and a United 737 that crashed in CO.
Report Post »tower7femacamp
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 7:37amI am so glad that these things cannot be faked.
Report Post »Dorkville
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 8:48am@TOWER7FEMACAMP, you spend to much time on youtube looking at stupid videos. You should get a different hobby. Why is it hard to believe that Muslims hate our guts and have been conspiring for years to kill the infidels and bring down our symbols of power. This is the work of evil, Satan and his demons, not Bush and the CIA.
Report Post »tower7femacamp
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 9:56amDORK at least you are not just calling me an idiot
Report Post »Maybe one day you will even use evidence and reason to suppot
your attacks.
tower7femacamp
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 10:01amDORK do you really believe Arabs living caves pulled off 911 ?
mossbrain
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 6:27amIt saddens me that the Muslim propaganda machine is so effective. Folks, Islam is the most evil force ever unleashed on humanity. If Islam is not destroyed, Islam will destroy human consciousness FOREVER. In the search for truth, in the search for contact with God, there are two approaches, one, to set men free to perceive the truth, two, to condition the brain through repetition of thought, to set nerve cells in unalterable pathways through repetition of the same thoughts, complete robotic behavior in the path of repetition of religious dogma, the path of Islam. Everything that can be done, must be done, to DESTROY Islam once and for all. It is that serious.
Report Post »El Pistoffo
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 8:39amI have to agree. I believe Islam is a force of evil. And since I don’t jive with the PC crowd, I’d go further and say the TRUE devout Muslims are a force of evil as well. The Koran teachings would dictate so.
Report Post »TADTAD
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 10:41amAgreed. Islam, as I have stated before, is the creation of Satan. Islam is an evil knockoff of Christianity and the Qu-ran/Koran/whatever is a manual of hate and sin. Allah is Satan. Any of you devil lovers want to come at me with Jihad, or whatever you call it, Fatwah, whatever the stupid term is called, be aware that I’m packing, and I’ll see you in hell.
Report Post »thinkinghuman
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 1:48pmSorry, I believe in freedom of religion, freedom of speech. I believe in the 1st Amendement. I do not believe that ANY religion can be suppressed.
You are WRONG to live in America and say and think such things. You are a communist.
Report Post »Thevoice
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 6:13amFact 10 long years latter our enemy still exists because we our too afraid to destroy it …Fact… now we have a government run by social progressive radicals (new age communists) Fact our nation is BROKE financially and spiritually ..These are the Facts ..
Report Post »tower7femacamp
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 7:49ammore facts
Report Post »http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJFZhEWNx-Q&feature=related
karen162
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 5:34amI was in the military on 9/11 and then I volunteered for my 1st deployment at the beginning of Operation Enduring Freedom and went back 2 more times before retiring. I do not agree in any way with the Patriot Act, nor do I think that George Bush was both the dumbest President on the planet, yet somehow smart enough to have pulled this off. 9/11 was a terrorist attack that I do believe the Gov’t probably screwed some things up on and has probably hidden somethings to cover up their screw ups. But yes….Jihadists planned and committed these attacks and they will do it again at some point. The Government probably won’t be able to stop them, just react to them and probably make more mistakes that they will again, have to cover up…
However, don’t get so frustrated with the “Truthers”. Its people like them, even the, “Birthers” that keep this Government in check. I fought for your right to criticize this Government and speak your mind, and I also fought for their right to do the same. Its frustrating to see people, left or right, trying to shut each other up. That right there….is destroying our beautiful Republic.
Report Post »ThomasUSA
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 7:31amI agree and thank you for your service and your words of wisdom. It is one thing to vent our anger and say what we wish we could (would) do.. but we must put the preservation of our Constitution and representative republic of, by and for the people as our highest value. If we fade into the tyranny of a lawless society, all else, that we hold dear, will be destroyed. Live the American values and principles. Fight to preserve this nation, but do so in a way that upholds it’s laws and values.
Report Post »Mil-Dot
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 10:50amExactly, anyone’s opinion is just as valuable as the next persons. Although some opinions may be more informed than others, each has his or her right to express it. Anybody tells me to shutup “ to my face” , not from behind a keyboard, or if they are not my boss, will get a fist shoved down their throat.
Report Post »Natures_God
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 4:46am@ DARREN
Then explain this====>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsS-xpyqi1w
I bet you cried for days when you found out Santa was not real.
Report Post »Dustyluv
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 5:36amI really hate calling anyone that isn’t a liberal an idiot…But you are an idiot.
Witnesses said the plane went in at a 90 degree angle. It caused a huge crater. Why don’t you 911 conspiritors give it a rest? You must have brain damage. Did your momma drop you on your head?
Report Post »Natures_God
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 6:08am@ DUSTYLUV
That is NOT true.
Witnesses said they saw a low flying plane.
Now how can they say that they saw a “low flying plane” if the plane was at a 90 degree angle to the ground? Wouldn’t the witness say the plane was headed straight for the ground at a 90 degree angle?
You should read the witness statements.
http://killtown.911review.org/flight93/witnesses.html
You sound just like a Liberal with that name calling. Isn’t that what Neo-Cons say all the time about libs…..that when they are losing a fight against logic and facts they restort to name calling?
Report Post »Big Kahoona
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 7:32amOkay then….go ahead explain away and debunk this video?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkivdEGph9A&feature=watch_response_rev
Report Post »JediPatriot
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 7:42am@ Big Kahoona
Report Post »The video “says” that there were bodies, but I didn’t see any in the video, besides the one’s that were talking.
hudent
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 4:38ameerie video indeed,RIP Mr.Berkevile thank you for your commentary,but its extremely upsetting
Report Post »to know a bunch of good people perished in that crash…sorry but after 10 years still feels like it was yesterday,I can’t help weep about it
Natures_God
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 4:26amThere have only been two American Airline crashes involving a boeing 757.
1-Dec. 20, 1995 AA Flight 965 crashed: Buga, Colombia.
2-Spet. 11, 2001 AA Flight 77 crashed: Pentagon, Washington D.C. (official story)
The FAA collected the 757 debris from the Buga, Co crash site. I would like to see the metal from the Buga crash tested against the metal from the Pentagon crash to determine if the metal parts came from the same aircraft. Pieces of the 757 Buga crash could have been used to sage the crash at the Pentagon on 9/11.
Report Post »TomFerrari
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 9:02amI call “TIN FOIL HAT”
Really? Staged?
REALLY???
Bizarre.
Report Post »jonfromsouthdakota
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 3:51amThe dude in the youtube says there are no scorch marks where the “wings should have hit” so there is only a round hole left.
Check out the picture.
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/5079/flight93.jpg
To me it sure looks like there are indeed scorch marks present.
Report Post »Natures_God
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 4:37amThat crater in Shanksville, PA was NOT made from an aircraft.
Report Post »The marks/craters/creases (what ever you want to call them) that look like it was made from the wings hitting the ground were there long before 9/11.
The USGS maps from 1994 show that.
The only thing at Shanksville was a large hole, most likely made by an MK-84 2000 lb. aircraft bomb.
Watch this video…take note at 2:06 time make on the video….you will see.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsS-xpyqi1w
JediPatriot
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 6:36am@ Natures_God
Report Post »Great video! One for the library.
Natures_God
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 3:43amJust like the videos released of the Pentagon attack on 9/11……..no Boeing 757 in it.
The Pentagon is the Brains of the US Military War Machine, it is covered with cameras. Where is a video of a Boeing 757 hitting the side of the Pentagon?
Why did the FBI run around Washington D.C. confiscating all of the private video surveillance of all the buildings near the Pentagon just minutes after the “attack” and NOT release any videos showing a Boeing 757 hitting the Pentagon?
Where were the TWO (2) holes from the impact of the Boeing 757 in the side of the Pentagon? There were NONE there!
Where were the two Boeing 757 engine turbine spindle shafts (the part the compressor blades attach to)? There were NONE there!
If you believe that 9/11 was NOT done by a ‘rogue faction’ inside the government of the US…..you will believe anything anybody tells you!
Report Post »Darren
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 4:23am“If you believe that 9/11 was NOT done by a ‘rogue faction’ inside the government of the US…..”
I don’t.
“you will believe anything anybody tells you!”
Not true. As evidence, I don’t believe anything conspiratorial you told me in this post or any other of your posts. :>)
Report Post »Natures_God
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 6:28amYou will believe the fact that criminals will conspire to commit a crime like in the cases with the Mafia or MS 13 gangs………
………..but you find it ludicrous and absurd that rogue factions in the US Government would conspire to commit a crime like 9/11 !?!
Just think,…the Mafia and gangs do it for a hell of alot less then 2.3 Trillion dollars.
You do know that on 9/10/01 Donald Rumsfeld reported to Congress that 2.3 Trillion $ went missing from the Pentagon budget? (Glenn Beck stated this on his FOX show)
You do also know that the records that showed all of this was in the exact location where the Pentagon got hit on 9/11?
Look it all up for yourself. It is all true.
Report Post »tower7femacamp
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 8:11amWhat building 7 ???
Report Post »http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKbSMD0ZGY4
Max Hadrotty
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 8:19amAn inquiring mind wants to know, to what end? Why would a ‘rogue faction’ do such a thing? Is it simply a part of the miltary industrial complex? The mere contemplation of these things brings great despair, but one cannot be too naive and jingoistic anymore.
Report Post »jhrusky
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 8:59amAgreed. Just as in the OKC bombing – cameras all over the place outside yet not a single one available for the general public to see, and all of the footage immediately confiscated after the event. I can see why they would be confiscated to bring someone to justice, but that’s over now for many years. If there was a plane that hit the Pentagon, then show us the footage. If a Ryder truck did that much damage to the OKC building with no bombs in the building, show us the footage. I’m betting they cannot.
Our government has become untrustworthy. We are in desperate need of a thorough cleaning!
WOLVERINES!
Report Post »Tyr
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 10:46amI did always wonder about that video from the street below. The guy just happened to be pointing his camera upward toward the point of impact of the first tower. Too convenient.
Report Post »jonfromsouthdakota
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 3:16amChuck
Your welcome.It was a government exhibit photo.If you push the arrow –> buttons there are more photos of busted up airframe and such . BTW long time reader of the blaze first time poster. The mindless truther got me to sign up.
Report Post »the link again
http://www.911myths.com/html/flight_93_4.html
sissykatz
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 3:38amJon
Glad you posted. We need some more good posters. Can’t have too many good ones
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Look4DBigPicture
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 11:34amThanks for the photos, Jon.
Report Post »Darren
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 2:09am[QUOTE]
While workmen are putting the finishing touches on the Flight 93 memorial itself, funding for it is very much a work in progress. Congress has allocated about $14 million, but the memorial is still $10 million short of its $62 million price tag. And that‘s before you add on the cost of a visitor’s center and other design features that are planned for the site.
“The main challenge has perhaps more to do with geography than anything else,” says King Laughlin with the National Park Foundation, which is helping to raise private donations for the memorial. “Washington and New York are obviously large metropolitan areas. There‘s a large corporate presence in particular that’s very different than what you see in Shanksville. That’s a town of around 200 people.”
[END QUOTE]
http://www.npr.org/2011/09/04/140172828/ten-years-later-flight-93-memorial-still-unfinished
Amazing Congress hasn’t funded this yet. I thought only New York was the unfinished memorial. Those on Flight 93 are heros byond question as well as the first responders in New York. Pathetic!
Report Post »Natures_God
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 3:25amThis video shows nothing. Where is the Boeing 757 at?
All I see is a puff of smoke. It looks like smoke from a MK 84 2000lb. bomb that I used to see dropped all the time in desert storm/shield.
Take a look at this aerial view of the same spot at Shankville, PA….before 9/11 and after 9/11.
Report Post »Do you remember that crease/crater from what looked like the impact of the wings of the aircraft?
Well that crease/crater was NOT made by the aircraft’s wings. That crease/crater was there years before 9/11.
So the truth of it all is there was only one large hole made in the ground….NO wing makes were made.
Here’s the video proof of the pre existing marks (thought to be of the wings) on the ground back in 1994 from a USGS map of Shanksville, PA.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsS-xpyqi1w
mlcblog
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 4:23amIs this the one which had a Muslim design, in the shape of a crescent, etc? maybe that’s what slowed it down. I hope so.
Report Post »looseyloo
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 12:18am@naturesgod, Learn how to do some research and investigation on your own instead of looking at a video that claims to show what all plane crash sites look like. Planes crash at different speeds and angles, and one that is going straight down is going to look very different after it crashes than one where the pilot was trying to save the plane or even land it in a clearing, but failed.
Do you recall Jet Blue crash years ago…crashed into the ocean shortly after takeoff? Straight down and disintgrated upon hitting the water, because it was going so fast. Water caused it to disintegrate.
You do not understand the physics, but you are willing to watch a couple minutes of propaganda video and come to a conclusion. Well, it looks like propaganda still works with some people.
Report Post »cyclops
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 2:04amThanks for the clip. We will never forget…..
Report Post »sillyfreshness
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 2:01amThat is the airplane crash where the plane supposedly “vaporized.” There was literally not one piece of evidence that a plane hit there. There was only a great big hole in the ground. Makes you wonder what really happened. Look at Lockerbie, Scotland where that 747 crashed and half the plane was still in tact. You could see the cockpit and everything. This crash, however, was literally vaporized where there was not once piece of a plane left. It really makes no sense how this crash could have made an entire jet disappear. I wouldn’t put it past our government to have blown it up with a missile and then deny it. I‘m not saying that’s what happened, but it sure seems strange how a plan crashes and the only thing to show for it, at the time, was a big hole in the ground. I don‘t think that’s ever happened before in the history of aviation where a giant aluminum jet is turned into dust hitting the ground. Look up the video of the crash site moments after it happened and you‘ll see what I’m talking about. http://stj911.org/evidence/flight93.html#photos
Report Post »Chuck Stein
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 2:15amThe Lockerbie PanAm crash was caused by a bomb onboard so the plane fell in a “typical” manner. Flight 93 was a full speed dive into the ground — to prevent the plane from being retaken by the passengers.
Report Post »Darren
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 2:16amAhhhhh, it’s a troofer!
Report Post »Darren
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 2:30amhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QOP4O_8dtc
Report Post »Steve
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 2:44amGood God.
http://www.debunking911.com/
Report Post »GBMBulletsSKNRD
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 2:49amThere are so many names I can think of to call you but I am only going to use one, MORON.
Report Post »Darren
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 2:49amhttp://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/debunking-911-myths-flight-93
Report Post »jonfromsouthdakota
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 2:52am>>There was literally not one piece of evidence that a plane hit there.<<
Really?
http://www.911myths.com/html/flight_93_3.html
Report Post »GWillie
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 2:53amTwice plains had experienced this kind of destruction, 1 was that Jet blue crash in Florida and another near Denver. Hi speed impacts do that to planes (see above video)
Report Post »Chuck Stein
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 2:58amThanks for the link, Jon. I knew that the “vaporized” thing was fishy. As would be expected in any jet plane crash, the turbine blades survived.
Report Post »venture291
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 3:14amYeh and how fast is mach1, 700 mph plus? Loaded with fuel can you get the picture. Please don’t tell me you are surprised steel can melt also like rooosssie o dummy.
Report Post »venture291
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 3:19amYea and how fast is mach 1, 700 plus mph? Plane loaded with fuel into the ground. Pleease dont tell me you never heard of steel melting also, like roosie o dummy. silly all right or maybe well never mind
Report Post »Dr Vel
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 4:06amI see science is not your first job. A plane exploding in air will produce odd shaped pieces many of which which will lose their forward velocity due to wind resistance and fall to the ground at relatively low velocities. Only the larger sections would retain some of their forward velocity. What you would find on the ground looks like what they did find on the ground. An aluminum airframe is so fragile if you really knew you would be hesitant to fly. You can melt it on your stove top to **** and bend it to pieces. Flight 93 nosed over 600 MPH directly into the ground which would disintegrate it. What you would see on the ground amazingly would look like what they saw. The left ignores science over global warming. The right ignores science over conspiracy theories. Intelligent people do not spend their time thinking in nothing but extremes. Example: WTC flash just as aircraft hit is used to promote conspiracy. The hundreds of pounds of Depleted Uranium (DU) used in aircraft as ballast would vaporize the nose section upon impact the same way the DU in the tail section would. It would look like exactly what is seen on the videos yet so called ‘scientists’ use this flash to say bombs were planted. DU burns in air quite easily and in large amounts quite violently. If you did not know about the Uranium ballast no surprise, the public‘s 50’s B movie mindset about radiation precludes airlines wanting you to know of it’s existence on the airliners you fly.
Report Post »Darren
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 4:16amDr Vel;
“The left ignores science over global warming. The right ignores science over conspiracy theories. Intelligent people do not spend their time thinking in nothing but extremes.”
Nicely stated, sir.
Report Post »Darren
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 4:18amJohn;
Excellent photo addition, sir.
Report Post »Navysquid
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 6:04amJonfromsouthdakota
+1000
I guess there will be some evidence coming forward that these were photoshopped as well…even though milliions…errrr…billions of people that saw the planes hit the buildings and then the remains here in Shanksville. Great post!
Report Post »Phantom II
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 2:00pm@Dr. Vel. They haven’t used that stuff since 85 in the US. It was not used as ballast. It was used for balancing control surfaces. Aircraft that contain depleted uranium trim weights (Boeing 747–100 for example) may contain between 400 to 1,500 kg of DU. It is not used any more because of environmental concerns if the aircraft were to crash. The metal oxidizes to a fine powder in a fire. Boeing and McDonnell-Douglas discontinued using DU counterweights in the 1987. There Are aerodynamic solutions for flutter now in some applications. DU is recovered at crash sits if possible. DU Counterweights manufactured with cadmium plating are considered non-hazardous while the plating is intact. This too will be fazed when older designs are replaced.
Report Post »There is always something left at a crash site, no matter the velocity and angle of the impact and the quantity of fuel on board. I’ve seen many crash sites with not a trace of debris, albeit at 500kts at 1000ft. Many recovered parts of a fighter taken down by a SAM or an AA missile will remain intact. Rumsfeld has a piece of landing gear on his desk from the plane that hit the Pentagon.
Intelligent people must think in terms of extremes be it in combat or business. Read Col. John Boyds OODA Loop theory. Read Boyd, by Coram.
Chet Hempstead
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 7:51amFirst of all, the plane didn’t “vaporize.” They found lots of debris, just not much in the impact crater. A big crater with no debris in it implies a really big explosion on impact, and is more consistent with the official theory of a plane in a power dive with intact fuel tanks, than with the alternate theory of a midair explosion which would cause the plane to be in a slower free fall with much of its fuel already burned up. Think of it this way – if you drop a garbage can off a fifty story building, you get a flat garbage can pretty close to where it hit. If you blow up the same garbage can with a stick off dynamite, you get little pieces of garbage can all over the place. If you could propel the garbage can toward the ground from the top of the fifty story building at several times its free fall velocity and with a stick of dynamite in it that would blow up on impact, you would find very little of it in the crater, and you would probably never find all of the pieces. This looks different from all other crashes, because it is different from all other crashes. In other crashes the plane is either in free fall, or under the control of a pilot who is trying not to crash.
Report Post »keehncommando
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 1:57amWow, amazing video. It helps you realize how real it truly was and how people didn’t know what it meant in the moment
Report Post »Darren
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 1:56amA fresh perspective from a terrible moment. This video shows the power of the explosion of the Twin Towers.
Report Post »Chuck Stein
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 2:12amWill this be forbidden to be shown by the networks (as was footage of the planes striking the twin towers).
Report Post »chazman
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 7:57amHey!
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