Virginia GOP Gov. Bob McDonnell Flip-Flops on Abortion Bill Libs Liken to ‘State-Sponsored Rape’
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Virginia's Republican Gov. Bob McDonnell
RICHMOND, Va. (The Blaze/AP) — Republican Gov. Bob McDonnell – facing outrage from women, national ridicule from television comedians and appeals from GOP moderates — is opposing a Republican bill requiring vaginal probes of women seeking abortions.
On The Blaze blog, Liz Klimas recently tackled some of the details in the bill:
Not all women would be subject to this type of ultrasound, which uses a probe inserted into the vagina to obtain the image of the fetus. Transvaginal ultrasounds are often the only way to obtain a picture in the early stages pregnancy. Women further along would have a more traditional ultrasound, in accordance with the law.
McDonnell, a social conservative, appealed Wednesday for amendments to the bitterly contested bill to make a transvaginal ultrasound optional for women seeking abortions. In the procedure, a wand-like device is inserted and used to send out sound waves.
His written statement came as the House’s majority Republicans quarreled about how to handle the legislation minutes before it was to be debated. It read, in part:
Mandating an invasive procedure in order to give informed consent is not a proper role for the state. No person should be directed to undergo an invasive procedure by the state, without their consent, as a precondition to another medical procedure.
For this reason … I am requesting that the General Assembly amend this bill to explicitly state that no woman in Virginia will have to undergo a transvaginal ultrasound involuntarily. I am asking the General Assembly to state in this legislation that only a transabdominal, or external, ultrasound will be required to satisfy the requirements to determine gestational age. Should a doctor determine that another form of ultrasound may be necessary to provide the necessary images and information that will be an issue for the doctor and the patient. The government will have no role in that medical decision.
Ultrasound at 12 weeks.
In January, he seemed supportive of the measure during a radio interview. He said, ”to be able to have that information before making what most people would say is a very important, serious, life-changing decision I think is appropriate.”
“Up until last weekend, McDonnell and his aides had said the governor would sign the measure if it made it to his desk,” the Washington Post added.
The bill had already won Senate passage. Opponents say it amounts to the state violating a woman’s privacy. Last week ThinkProgress likened it to rape, writing:
Simply put, it is difficult to distinguish a law requiring women to be vaginally penetrated by a long metal object from state-sponsored rape. Worse, discussions among lawmakers leave little doubt that its supporters understood just what they were trying to write into law — they just didn’t care. As an unnamed lawmaker told a fellow Virginia delegate, a woman already consented to being “vaginally penetrated when they got pregnant.”
Supporters say it is medically prudent to determine fetal gestational age and, perhaps, discourage abortions.
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Comments (132)
bernbart
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 6:56pmGee I thought the right wanted government out everyone’s lives. Oh I forgot except for women…..
Report Post »shame, shame, shame.
Baikonur
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 7:04pmSigh, it was never about ‘small government’ or ‘jobs’ or ‘liberty.’ It was always about Christian fundamentalism. Jerry Falwell‘s ’Moral Majority’ resurrected.
And Ron Paul supporters are suprised that it turned out that way with the Tea Party. They should have seen it coming. You lay down with dogs, you wake up with fleas.
Report Post »Favored93
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 7:10pm@bernbart
Report Post »Forgive me but it is my understanding that one of the legitimate functions of government was to protect our citizens from murderers…
It is NOT your right to kill because you are “inconvenienced”. There are natural consequences to our actions. You jump off a 20 story building you die. You have sex you open your self up to S.T.D’S or SURPRISE children.
Children are a gift if you can’t handle them there are plenty of good people that would happily adopt.
You do not have the right to MURDER!!!!
This is disgusting!!!!
I don’t understand what would make a person KILL their own CHILD!?!?!?!?!
IMO Those who defend this are as guilty as those who do it.
DISGUSTING! HORRIFYING!
We have a holocaust every year in this country. How many M.L.K Jr’s have we allowed to be killed? Or Billy Grahm’s? Or Barak Obama’s? (for our leftist friends)
We as a Nation are knee deep in the blood of our own children.
THIS HAS TO STOP!!!!!
not funny
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 7:22pmI hope late-term abortions will eventually be illegal. To deliver a baby’s body and then kill it before the head is delivered is murder.
Report Post »TeaPartyForRomney
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 7:54pmLets just see, something tells me the social issues will be head in this debate. Here is a link to the debate: http://www.thedailycandidate.com/video/2012/feb/gop_debate_20.html
Report Post »bikerr
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 7:57pm@bernbart–You posted “Gee I thought the right wanted government out everyone’s lives. Oh I forgot except for women…..”—–You can’t think with all that fog in your brain.Reading your comments is like watching a screen door on a submarine. It makes a noise is functional but causes the sub to sink. Keep it up, your funny to visualize.
Report Post »puravida56
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 8:14pmIm glad to see the governor had some common sense. I am no fan of abortion, but forcing women to under go an ordeal like that in order to receive a legal procedure is scary. Really scary!!!!!
Report Post »Komponist-ZAH
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 8:17pmGee, I thought the left wanted women to have “freedom of choice”—except when it comes to not buying health insurance, or what school the children they haven’t murdered in the womb will go to…
Report Post »edmundburk
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 11:04pmVA Gov. is another GOP establishment RINO!!
Report Post »teamarcheson
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 5:33amThe procedure is no different than a pap smear or abortion itself. Is the LIBERAL nation going to state that a pap smear is a form of rape too? Little girls are being submitted to abortions that are often unnecessary.
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 7:13am@teamarcheson
Report Post »The procedure is no different than a pap smear or abortion itself. Is the LIBERAL nation going to state that a pap smear is a form of rape too?
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If done against a woman’s will, yes. The difference between raping a woman and having sex with her is whether she consents to the act. You are not helping the cause when you give liberals the right to call you a hypocrite.
bs_detector
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 10:59amWow, let me see if I can follow some of logic I’m seeing here. It sounds like you are saying that if a woman goes into a clinic to seek a abortion, and they tell her she hast to have this test first, she has given up her right to leave and go elsewhere. Are you are saying that if she decides she doesn’t want the abortion anymore because of the test they are going to tie her up and do it anyway? That is the only way it meets the standard of it being against her will. So, realistically your logic just doesn’t stand up. Saying that is the equivalent of state sanctioned rape is like saying the even though you decided not to get on the plane anymore the TSA will have you arrested for refusing the full body scan or groping pat down. Wait TSA already does that!? Maybe someone should look into that!
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 3:58pmbs_detector
Report Post »So, realistically your logic just doesn’t stand up. Saying that is the equivalent of state sanctioned rape is like saying the even though you decided not to get on the plane anymore the TSA will have you arrested for refusing the full body scan or groping pat down
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No. Flying is not a right. Women ALREADY have a right to an abortion in this country, whether we like it or not. I hate it, but that is our present reality. If you are against the TSA Gestapo measures, you should not support this bill either. Be consistent about the principles of individual liberty. Like I said, women should be respected. Their private parts are sacred, at least in this society. You want inside, you request permission to enter, whether you are a doctor or Joe Doe.
Git-R-Done
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 8:38amKryptonite – The unborn baby has a right to live and that woman has no right to intrude on that. If she didn’t want to get pregnant in the first place, then she shouldn’t have opened her legs in the first place. But of course you don’t want that to happen b/c you want to get to have your cake and eat it too.
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 9:23am@Git-R-Done
The unborn baby has a right to live and that woman has no right to intrude on that. If she didn’t want to get pregnant in the first place, then she shouldn’t have opened her legs in the first place. But of course you don’t want that to happen b/c you want to get to have your cake and eat it too.
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Me??? What does pregnancy have to do with me?? lol! Look, I agree with you 100% where abortion is concerned. Abortion IS murder in God’s eyes. However, LEGALLY she has a right. You need to distinguish between the two things. But this is not about abortion, so why are we arguing about the morality of abortion? This is about forcing a woman to have a ******* procedure she doesn’t want. Now, I strongly object to that. Listen to what McDonnell said:
=> “No person should be directed to undergo an invasive procedure by the state, without their consent, as a precondition to another medical procedure.”
He wants to make this procedure optional, and I agree. If you want a fascist state when it agrees with your morality, then you are no better than Obama. Women will have to answer to God for what they do with their bodies, and as conservative we must try to get people in govt. who will repeal Obamacare, overturn Roe vs. Wade, and close Planned Parenthood and the high school health clinics that provide abortions to our minors. But that is a different issue.
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 10:31amKryptonite – You can help make abortion illegal in this country. If enough people speak up about it and convince the legislators to make it illegal, then that’s what will happen.
Report Post »bernbart
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 6:50pmIt considered rape when you stick a probe up a woman’s ****** against her will.
Report Post »Favored93
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 6:56pmNot against her will…she wants to murder her CHILD!!! If the ultrasound law would pass then these murdering doctors would have to show these women what their children look like and that scares the murderous left so they are calling this rape. IT IS NOT RAPE!!!! THEY WANT TO KILL THEIR KID!!!
Report Post »This ultrasound would be voluntary hence NOT RAPE!!!! No abortion no ultrasound. NOT RAPE.
Don’t ask to murder your child and this would not be an issue.
Baikonur
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 6:57pmOf course it is rape! it is involuntary penetration that serves no other purpose than to humiliate and exert control.
Report Post »Favored93
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 7:17pm@Baikonur
Report Post »Your premise is wrong.
The woman who would undergo this procedure is a volunteer. She is wanting to KILL her child and IF she would like to continue she would the me required to see what she is killing. Hence a VOLUNTEER!!!
You are trying to twist the truth of this issue and you know it.
The issue is the life of the children you and those like you want to kill.
DISGUSTING!
kryptonite
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 7:48pm@Favored93
Your premise is wrong. The woman…is wanting to KILL her child and IF she would like to continue she would the me required to see what she is killing. Hence a VOLUNTEER!!!
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You are being emotional about this and not making sense. The woman “is wanting” to have an abortion, which happens to be legal in this country. She is not volunteering for a state-mandated invasive procedure “to help her change her mind.”
If we want to end abortions in this country, we need to repeal Obamacare and ultimately overthrow Roe vs. Wade. I don’t know how the latter is possible without starting a civil war, but that would be a war worth fighting, given how the left has managed to trash every principle upon which this country was founded.
Report Post »bikerr
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 8:02pm@ bernbart—I’m sure you know about the bird and the bees, but…..If she’s pregnant she has all ready given up her will.(you know, laying down spreading legs)If the procedure is as you say“ rape” Then what in God’s name is the abortion… a Picnic?. Holy crap your DUMB!
Report Post »Chet Hempstead
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 9:19pmbikerr
“Then what in God’s name is the abortion… a Picnic?”
According to the laws of this nation, it’s a right. You might want to change those laws because you think that it should be a crime, but right now it is legally a right. The state is trying to make the insertion of a foreign object into a woman’s privates a precondition to her freedom to exercise her rights. If it were a precondition to any other legal right except this one, you would be as outraged at this as we are. If anyone said “It’s not rape, she doesn’t have to do it if she doesn’t want to vote,” or “It’s not rape, she doesn’t have to do it if she doesn’t want to read a book,” you would recognize the monstrous insanity of their illogic.
Report Post »Komponist-ZAH
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 12:34amThe Blaze—
Why are you censoring the word “v a g i n a”, which is a) a perfectly legitimate, non-offensive, non-slang anatomical term, and b) used throughout your own article?
Report Post »KAdams
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 8:51am@Bernfart: That’s why they sign consent forms.
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 8:43amThen she shouldn’t have opened her legs in the first place. Excuse me if none of us feel sorry for women who go out and sleep around and then end up pregnant but not wanting to be pregnant in the first place.
Report Post »COFemale
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 6:50pmWell Virginia now knows who to vote out of the Republican office next election. Can we just find one, just one Republican who can stand by their convictions and quite capitulating to the leftist agenda.
I am a woman, I did not oppose this action even though I am not in VA. My gosh, you go in for an abortion in which a hook or other device is stuck up the woman’s VJJ hooking the embryonic sack and yanking it out. That is not intrusive? Please don’t insult my intelligence.
For heaven sake man show some balls.
Report Post »Thecoolhandluke
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 7:21pmThe voice of reason
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 7:30pm@COFEMALE
Report Post »I’m sorry, but you sound no less fanatical about these invasive procedures than feminists who shrill about so-called women’s rights. I oppose abortion, but I also oppose putting anything inside a woman she doesn’t want there. Sorry for being so crude. This is a degrading way of fighting abortion, IMO.
red_white_blue2
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 7:34pmAmen! Thank you for your intelligence! If you want something shoved up inside you with the purpose of taking a life, then you should have to face the FACE you are killing! And if they are scared for life physiologically, so be it. I‘m sure it scares God’s heart to see babies killed.
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 8:40amKryptonite – Meanwhile people like you are going to do nothing to stop abortion. And if we accept your premise that we’re not going to stop women from aborting their children, so we shouldn’t make it illegal. Then that means we should make murder legal since we’re not going to be able to stop murderers from committing the crime.
Report Post »Baikonur
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 6:39pmAny moron who will pass such a law will have a boot up their ass courtesy of the women of the US pronto.
Report Post »COFemale
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 6:55pmWrong, this woman supported the measure. They are going to whine about seeing their unborn child they are getting ready to kill via a probe, yet they are okay that they lie on a table and the doctor shoves up a hooked instrument to yank the baby out. Yeah I could see where the first one, might be a tad bit intrusive.
Report Post »Baikonur
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 7:00pm@COFemale
Report Post »Posted on February 22, 2012 at 6:55pm
‘Wrong, this woman supported the measure.’
************
I am sorry that you are on the unfortunate dot on the bell curve. I can see that your parents did not beleiev in pre-natal screening.
Favored93
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 7:26pm@Baikonur
Report Post »She is not the only or even a minority of women.
Do you really think that men are the only ones who find the murder of our children horrifying?
I do not know a woman who thinks this is a right thing to do.
Would you have put the Jews in the gas chambers?
Do you think Hitler is right or Bin Ladin for wanting the Jews destroyed?
What is the difference between the Jews and the Holocaust that is occurring in every city in America?
Like I said earlier … we as a Nation are knee deep in the blood of our children.
That is the issue here not the kind of ultrasound that will be used to stop this horrific travesty from continuing.
KAdams
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 8:54amI’m right there with Favored and Cof!
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 8:44amBaikonur – The only women who support abortion are ones that want to get to be as irresponsible and promiscuous as possible but not have to suffer the consequences for it. In other words, they want to get to have their cake and eat it too. Same thing with the men.
Report Post »Robert999
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 6:32pmMcDonnell, what made you change your mind? Oh yeah, you want to be VP so you believe you must surrender to the anti-Christian Left.
Report Post »Canada_Goose
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 6:25pmSometimes the extremism is even too extreme for the biggest extremists.
Report Post »MONICNE
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 6:18pmBy Law, Virginia Governor McDonnell e is not allowed to run for Governor two times in a row, so he has nothing to fear politically in the esteemed Commonwealth that is the cradle of our Republic.
In this state that was named for Elizabeth, the virgin Queen; it is clear he is acting from his heart and his own deep respect for the privacy of his lovely unmarried daughters and all female Virginians.
TEA
Report Post »patspeak
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 6:07pmTrue Conservatives are sick of the likes of Republican Gov. Bob McDonnell and his Social Conservativism, and that goes for Social Democratic personnalities too!
Report Post »Melika
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 6:05pmI hate to break it to all you guys out there, but the ******* ultrasound is something that is done every year for an annual check-up, is a wonderful modern advancement, & is no more “invasive” than any of the other tools women are regularly subjected to at their yearly exam, let alone the abuse they take from men. Before they invented this lovely procedure, the way a doctor would check your uterus was manually. Guess how they do that? They shove a finger up a woman’s butt hole & one in the ****** so they can smoosh & moosh it properly. Invasive? HA! It’s more comfortable & safer than the “old” way, and they get a great view of the uterus to judge the health of the organ & they can also see the ovaries to check for cancer.
Report Post »Debating the wisdom of this law is one thing, but please leave the righteous anger over the procedure out. It’s not rape, it’s not even vaguely like rape, & to equate it as such is immature. If a woman feels she is old enough to have sex & old enough to make the decision about abortion, then she’s old enough to have a common medical procedure that will do no harm to her & is helpful to her health.
tifosa
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 6:11pmGood grief READ UP!! You are grossly uninformed.
Report Post »sealwifenyc
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 6:23pmMelika-you are completely missing the point. Those procedures are done because a Physician has deemed them necessary and the patient consents, and ALSO SERVES A MEDICAL PURPOSE. That procedure is mandated by the govt, giving no decision to the patient, and serves no medical purpose.
Report Post »bernbart
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 6:52pmAnother misinformed moron
Report Post »Melika
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 6:55pm@Tifosa: To what am I grossly misinformed? The procedure or your opinion as to whether or not the government has a right to require it? I was commenting on the idea that the “procedure” is akin to rape, not as to the wisdom of the government requirement. I’m all for abortion, I wish they‘d kill more babies so I don’t have to support them through my taxes anymore.
Report Post »Melika
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 7:01pmTo sealwifenyc: As I replied above, I wasn’t commenting on the wisdom of the government requiring the procedure. To that end, the government requires all sorts of procedures & tests to be done in order to get various treatments that most people don’t seem to know about. They cost extra money & are not always necessary or a good idea. A simple example is the latest in my life. I used to go in to get my teeth cleaned semi-annually. Twice a year I saw the tech who did the cleaning, once a year I would see the doctor & pay an extra $60 for the visit. My doctor liked the arrangement (more time for people who NEEDED to see him), my teeth were professionally cared for more often, & I liked not having to pay him to say everything is fine. Now, I can’t just get a cleaning, I MUST see the doctor, regardless of whether the doctor & I feel that the visit is necessary. It’s unnecessary & mandated by the government & only one of many medical procedures whose “basic minimal standard of care” is regulated by the government. Neither of us have to like it, but that is the way it is right now.
Report Post »Melika
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 7:07pmBernbart, don’t talk to Tifosa that way! It’s not her fault, she has a Tinkerbell avatar.
Report Post »KAdams
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 9:03amYes, I believe that the government mandates many tests to determine whether or not you can get on disability. My uncle, who’s had several knee surgeries, one in which his knee cap was removed, and who’s also had several back surgeries due to degenerative disks, and ultimately had most of his lumbar vertebrae fused together… he had to jump through hoops and wait at least a year, before he got approved.
Is it the same thing? Maybe. The woman getting the abortion is probably at a Planned Parenthood facility, and both disability and PP get government funds, so….
Report Post »tifosa
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 5:57pmOne more example of the “small government” teas who can’t wait to get into positions of power and legislate the uterus.
Report Post »UBETHECHANGE
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 6:03pmSave the polar bears kill a baby!
Report Post »GoodStuff
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 5:46pmBob McDonnell = coward
Report Post »MONICNE
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 6:40pmBob McDonnell = Loving father of adult women and loving husband of one and only one woman.
Report Post »momprayn
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 5:37pmI‘d laugh if it wasn’t sooooooo………tragic. I’m a woman – had five children, was a lay counselor at a pregnancy crisis clinic – been through many “invasive” procedures like this and I say it should be done. Women go through similar things just for their annual check-up – pap smears, etc.
Report Post »And yes, this is absolutely nothing compared to what they do when they get the abortion — add to that physcial (sometimes death), mental, emotional trauma that they usually never get over & is kept out of the news.
Yes, it’s legal – but not constitutional – Roe v. Wade can be proven to be unconstitutional & I hope it is one day. I’m ultra-Conservative, don‘t believe in the Govn’t medfdling, etc. – however, in this case I feel it is very needful and not much different than making people get various tests before surgery.
Again – where are the ones that are speaking up for protection of the unborn – HIS rights???? How about how HE feels when they dig into his brain that he can feel and cut him up in pieces?
This society is beyond “sick”. I pray God will have mercy and wake up the majority of us before it’s too late.
ModerationIsBest
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 5:45pmAre you one of those “ultra conservatives”
who fight for the “rights” of the unborn but then will shout “RELIGIOUS FREEDOM!” when parents decide to let their kid die because they don’t “believe” in medicine?
Report Post »Melika
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 6:06pmYou stole some of my thunder. I laughed a lot too.
Report Post »Ohio Guy
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 6:11pmI am a pro life as you can be, but when I heard about the state mandating this invasive procedure I cringed. I understand the logic that if you show the woman what is truly developing inside of her and she can see/hear the heart beat that it would reduce the number of abortions. I however do not want to go down the road of the ends justifies the means. The true success that the pro life movement has achieved of late is in changing hearts and minds. When the battle is fought on the life affirming front people are open to re-evaluating their position, when it is fought on the legal front people get defensive.
Report Post »KAdams
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 9:07amSpeculum folks. Speculum. Amniocentesis? OB/GYN 2-fingers up there in the middle of a contraction? Haha.
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 8:42amOhio Guy – Changing the hearts and minds just BS. I don’t see people trying to advocate people who want to murder others by changing their hearts and minds.
Report Post »dannyo
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 5:28pmwhen a woman spreads her legs and allows a man to slide his package into the slot, that act alone necessitates the leg spreader and the package inserter to do, on their own time and in accordance with the law, the follow-up steps to the outcomes (no pun intended) of the act at their own expense..next…
Report Post »sealwifenyc
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 6:04pmYou are a disgusting sexist. My husband would kick your ass for talking about women like that.
Report Post »tifosa
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 6:16pmDannyo, maybe you could include a description in your bio that you have very long arms and skinned knuckles.
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 10:33amLeft wingers whine about sexism whenever women who go out and spread their legs and then go murder their babies just b/c they’re inconvenient are called sluts.
Report Post »Homeschoolmama
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 5:27pmEvery time a woman goes to the doc for her yearly physical exam something is inserted into her in order to perform the pap smear which checks for cancer. This is just as invasive. How about that prostate exam, guys, not invasive at all huh. Yet but of these are included in obamacare to encourage you to be violated regularly.
Report Post »She should have to be aware of who she is trying to murder with the abortion. Of course this may also make society even worse if we now have mothers who can look their children in the face and still kill them.
soybomb315
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 5:51pmI live in virginia. i dont really understand the rationale for this law. Is it that if people have to SEE the fetus – they will decide not to get an abortion?? If that is the case, i can think of better ways to discourage abortions. For instance, have a $500-$1000 tax on all abortions. lord knows the government tax everything else it doesnt like (maybe have exceptions for rape and such). A better option may be to require the doctor to give the patient a piece of paper explaining all the people who are not ABLE to have kids and would love to adopt a newborn. just sayin…
Report Post »Rajabear1
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 5:12pmJust curious, how in the world are they calling this state sponsored rape? You’re telling me that some is going to feel violated if this is done right before a vacuum wand is stuck up there to such out the baby? I’m not sure how I feel about the purposed bill pertaining to the ******* US, I see the pros and the cons. However, I think it is not only within a doctors right, but it is a duty to insure the female is full aware of what they are about to do and the the ramifications. So many girls have been indoctrinated that it is merely a clump of cells in the shape of a human, but there is no life.
Report Post »LouC57
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 5:28pmThis is a bit over the top. No I’m not a feminist man-slayer. I totally agree with an external ultra sound, but a ******* probe???? No way.
Report Post »tzion
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 5:34pmHere’s a good question. If the woman doesn’t consent to a transvaginal ultrasound, wouldn’t waiting a week or two allow for the ultrasound to work normally be a solution. By that point an ordinary ultrasound would work.
Report Post »Zenzazin
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 5:10pmSo even a woman who was raped and became pregnant and wants to abort the child will be forced to have a 8-10″ rod shoved inside of her for the transvaginal ultrasound… it wasn’t really mentioned in the article, but they won’t even be required to look at the image that is produced by the procedure… how can we justify the gov’t taking such a large and personal role in a decision that is so personal for people?
Report Post »COFemale
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 7:08pmYet you have no problem when he government dictates to religious organizations they should provide contraception and abortion services to women. Yep, that is okay.
What is the doctor doing when a vacuum wand is used to suck the baby out? Why is that not state sponsored “rape”. Your arguments are lame.
Report Post »KAdams
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 9:12am@Cofemale: It‘s not ’state-sponsored’… remember, PP‘s grants from the government don’t go toward abortions. *wink wink*
Report Post »Mr. Oshawott
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 5:10pmBob McDonnell is making a HUGE, FOOLISH mistake vying for that abortion bill. I got to agree with the folks that are vehemently opposing this bill – this IS state-sponsored rape, and this is coming from a person who is PRO-LIFE. NO ONE should EVER be forced by the government to subject themselves to an invasive medical procedure that they think could end up doing serious harm to their bodies, particularly, in this case, to bodies of pregnant women. This abortion bill MUST be voted against!
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 6:08pmThis a perfect example of small-government conservativism versus social conservatism. I hope people are paying attention. To paraphrase an old saying…If you live by the government – you die by the government
Report Post »Brae
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 5:06pmI am with McDonnell on this one.This procedure when used as intended is a medical advancement; however, it is a totally invasive, degrading procedure when used in this fashion. The State has NO right to intervene in this way.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 5:12pmHe likely “changed” his stance because of purely political reasons.
This guy wants to be VP, and we’ve heard Presidential nominees talking about McDonnell being a top 3 VP pick. If he were to support this legislation, he would all but remove his name from that list of VP picks because this stance would be viewed as too extreme.
Once the election calms down, I‘m sure you’ll see him go back to supporting this bill as written.
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 8:33amBut abortion isn’t degrading?
Report Post »kevinj319
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 5:05pmI am against abortion, but this is not the way to go about this. Many of you so-called conservatives are for smaller government–unless big government benefits your argument. Abortion is legal. I don’t like it, but it is. We should not give the fascist government the power to dictate what probes must be inserted where just to make a point.
Report Post »Blackhawk1
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 5:12pmHe is facing outrage from women by requiring probes before they murder a child? Maybe if these women had worried about being probed in the first place they wouldn’t have gotten pregnant. I still think the aspirin between the knees is the best answer to contraception or abortion! Animals can’t control themselves, not humans.
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 8:32amSo we shouldn’t do anything to make murdering an unborn baby to be illegal? Anybody who doesn’t support making abortion illegal may as well go join the pro-abortion side.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 5:03pmThis is likely because he has strong aspirations to be a VP pick, and if he were to pass this legislation, he would an absolutely toxic VP pick for any GOP Presidential nominee.
He really feels this way, he is just delaying it until after the firestorm of the election.
Report Post »vaman
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 4:47pmMcDonnell has proven to be a off on many of his social decisions. He’s basically a redneck in a tie. He would send the Commenwealth back a hundred years if he could.
Report Post »ThoreauHD
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 4:53pmSpeak for yourself halfwit.
LOJ
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 4:46pmI believe that before a woman decides on an abortion, she should see what shes aborting, and that it is alive…and see if she still wants to proceed with the elimination of her child!
Report Post »Chet Hempstead
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 6:50pmThe bill never required that the woman look at the medically unnecessary sonogram they would force her to get. Apparently legislators felt that they could do what they wanted to her lower parts, but recognized that clamping her head in position and forcing her eyelids open would be one intrusion too many.
Report Post »Baikonur
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 7:27pm@Chet Hempstead
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So well put. Sad and bizarre that this bill was even suggested in the 21st century. And not in some place like Missisipi or Alabama, but in Virginia.
Git-R-Done
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 8:37amYeah, it‘s so intrusive to force women to have to look at the children that they’re about to murder just b/c they wanted to fool around. Excuse me if nobody with a brain and who‘s responsible feels sorry for women who didn’t want to get pregnant yet they wanted to go fool around and got knocked up.
Report Post »assertiveconservative
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 4:44pmWhat a wimpy,weasely coward!
Report Post »CS_GUY
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 5:20pmFirst, who the hell is the imbecile?
Second, Why has the GOP not run his wimpy ass out of Congress?
Third, It’s a very thin line between yes and no and he wants to take away a sure way to make the mothers think twice before killing their children.
We are growing more and more inline with Germany in the 1930′s-40s……except for our faithful gun owners.
Report Post »sealwifenyc
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 6:20pm@csguy sweety, can you read? He is the Governor. I love men who think they know what women feel and know, women are not idiots they know what a baby is before they make that decision. Women understand when they are pregnant, they are pregnant with a baby.
Report Post »NOTHNBUTTRUTH
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 4:41pmDon’t they have to “insert” something to go in and kill the baby? How is this any different. Here’s a solution, lets make abortion illegal, then we don’t have to worry about this rule.
Report Post »kevinj319
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 4:54pmI don’t think the law should tell people what they have to insert where. That a person consents to one invasive procedure does not mean they consent to any invasive procedure.
Abortion is grotesque, yes. If you want it outlawed, go about it the right way, not by allowing the fascist government to dictate what can be inserted where.
Report Post »LiberalMarine
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 4:56pmSo because something is inserted for the abortion let’s just put whatever the state says in them as well? Ridiculous.
Report Post »hauschild
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 4:37pmI don’t like this dude. He’s got that slimy, RINO look (ah, don’t worry – government knows best!) about him. I’ll be very disappointed if he is tapped by the eventual nominee for the VP slot.
Report Post »sealwifenyc
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 4:43pmHuh? His decision is the opposite of gov’t knows best. He is saying gov’t does NOT know best in terms of medical prodecures. You are judging him by how he looks? WOW, god help you.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on February 22, 2012 at 5:06pmHe likely does feel his original stance on this issue is the correct one, and that woman should be forced to go through what this bill detailed in order to get an abortion. He has strong VP aspirations and if he were to support this legislation he would weaken his chances at being VP because this issue would be absolutely toxic during the general election.
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