Cop and Army Veteran Killed, Gunman Dead at Virginia Tech
- Posted on December 8, 2011 at 1:08pm by
Billy Hallowell
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UPDATE II: BLACKSBURG, Va. (The Blaze/AP) — The Virginia Tech police officer who was gunned down is being identified as a 39-year-old Army veteran and father of five.
The university said late Thursday that the officer was Deriek W. Crouse. He joined the Virginia Tech Police Department on Oct. 27, 2007. That was about six months after 33 people were killed at the school in the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history.
Crouse previously worked at a jail and a sheriff’s department.
UPDATE: BLACKSBURG, Va. (The Blaze/AP) – A gunman killed a police officer in a Virginia Tech parking lot Thursday and then apparently shot himself to death nearby in a baffling attack that shook up the campus nearly five years after it was the scene of the deadliest shooting rampage in modern U.S. history.
The shooting took place on the same day Virginia Tech officials were in Washington, fighting a government fine over their alleged mishandling of the 2007 bloodbath where 33 people were killed. Before it became clear that the gunman in Thursday’s attack was dead, the school applied the lessons learned during the last tragedy, locking down the campus and using a high-tech alert system to warn students and faculty members to stay indoors.
“In light of the turmoil and trauma and the tragedy suffered by this campus by guns, I can only say words don‘t describe our feelings and they’re elusive at this point in time,” university president Charles Steger said. “Our hearts are broken again for the family of our police officer.”
The officer was killed after pulling a driver over in a traffic stop. The gunman – who was not involved in the traffic stop – walked into the parking lot and ambushed the officer. Police did not know what the motive was.
A law enforcement official who spoke on the condition of anonymity confirmed the gunman was dead, but wouldn’t say how he died.
While authorities wouldn’t confirm specific details about the gunman, they released a timeline of events.
At about 12:15 p.m., the officer called in the traffic stop. After a few minutes passed without hearing from the officer, dispatch tried to get in touch with him, but didn’t get a response. About 15 minutes later, police received the first call from a witness who said an officer had been shot at the Cassell Coliseum parking lot and the gunman had fled on foot.
Local, state and federal officials responded immediately. At 1 p.m., an officer saw a suspicious man in a parking lot known as The Cage. The man had a gunshot wound and a gun was nearby. Authorities said they responded to numerous other calls of suspicious activity, but found that there were no other threats and lifted the campus lockdown, about four hours after the initial alerts.
Asked if police were still looking for the shooter, state police Sgt. Robert Carpentieri said: “I think the investigators feel confident that we’ve located the person. I can‘t give you specifics and I don’t want to confirm that but you can kind of read between the lines so I won’t specifically address that question.”
The officer, who wasn’t immediately identified, had served on the campus police force for four years. State police were still investigating whether he had been specifically targeted. The campus force has about 50 officers and 20 full- and part-time security guards.
At the time of the shootings, students were preparing for exams when they were suddenly told to hunker down. Heavily armed officers swarmed the campus as caravans of SWAT vehicles and other police cars with emergency lights flashing patrolled nearby.
ABC provides a report:
“A lot of people, especially toward the beginning were scared,” said Jared Brumfield, a 19-year-old freshman from Culpeper, Va., who was locked in the Squires Student Center.
The Collegiate Times (Virginia Tech’s student newspaper) earlier reported, via Twitter, there may have been two culprits and that one had been apprehended, though the paper then said that the suspect was still at large.
A campus-wide alert told students and faculty to stay inside and lock doors:
Below, are some of the tweets:
Lerone Graham, a government reporter at The Roanoke Times, tweeted the following messages after visiting the scene:
Here’s the image Graham posted:
The university sent updates about every 30 minutes, regardless of whether they had any new information, school spokesman Mark Owczarski said.
Harry White, 20, a junior physics major, said he was in line for a sandwich at a restaurant in a campus building when he received the text message alert.
White said he didn’t panic, thinking instead about a false alarm about a possible gunman that locked down the campus in August. White used an indoor walkway to go to a computer lab in an adjacent building, where he checked news reports.
“I decided to just check to see how serious it was. I saw it’s actually someone shooting someone, not something false, something that looks like a gun,” White said.
The school was a bit quieter than usual because classes ended Wednesday. About 20,000 of the university’s 30,000 students were on campus when the officer was shot. Exams, set to begin Friday, were postponed.
The shooting came soon after the conclusion of a hearing where Virginia Tech was appealing a $55,000 fine by the U.S. Education Department in connection with the university’s response to the 2007 rampage.
The department said the school violated the law by waiting more than two hours after two students were shot to death in their dorm before sending an email warning. By then, student gunman Seung-Hui Cho was chaining the doors to a classroom building where he killed 30 more people and then himself.
The department said the email was too vague because it mentioned only a “shooting incident,” not the deaths. During testimony Thursday, the university’s police chief, Wendell Flinchum, said there were no immediate signs in the dorm to indicate a threat to the campus. He said the shootings were believed to be an isolated domestic incident and that the shooter had fled.
An administrative judge ended the hearing by asking each side to submit a brief by the end of January. It is unclear when he will rule.
Since the massacre, the school expanded its emergency notification systems. Alerts now go out by electronic message boards in classrooms, by text messages and other methods. Other colleges and universities have put in place similar systems.
Universities are required under the Clery Act to provide warnings in a timely manner and to report the number of crimes on campus.
Andrew Goddard, who has crusaded for stiffer run control laws since his son Colin was wounded in the 2007 shootings, said Virginia Tech’s response seemed substantially better this time.
“It sounds like things moved very, very fast this time as opposed to the time before,” said Goddard, who has a daughter and nephew that go to the school. “That doesn’t surprise me. Virginia Tech really did get the message in the sense that when bad things are happening, you have to ask quickly.”
Monica Borza, a senior majoring in biological studies from Virginia Beach, said in an email to AP that she chose to attend Virginia Tech because she thought she would be able to feel safe there.
“The dedication of the officers today confirmed my decision,” said Borza, who was at the Blacksburg public library when she got a text alert about the shooting.
“Within minutes, all my friends and family checked in with me to make sure that I was safe,” she said. “For the next couple of hours, my phone was constantly going off with text messages and phone calls saying, `Are you okay?’ `Praying for VT!’”
During about a one-hour period on Thursday, the university issued four separate alerts.
Derek O’Dell, a third-year veterinary student at Virginia Tech who was wounded in the 2007 shooting, was shaken.
“It just brings up a lot of bad feelings, bad memories,” said O’Dell, who was at his home a couple of miles from campus at the time of the shootings.
“At first I was just hoping it was a false alarm,” he said. “Then there were reports of two people dead, and the second person shot was in the parking lot where I usually park to go to school so it was kind of surreal.”
Police would not rule out a connection between the shootings and an armed robbery Wednesday in Radford, about 10 miles from Blacksburg. According to media reports, Radford police were looking for a man they considered armed and dangerous after an armed robbery at a local real estate office.
In August, a report of a possible gunman at Virginia Tech set off the longest, most extensive lockdown and search on campus since 2007. No gunman was found, and the school gave the all-clear about five hours after sirens began wailing and students and staff members started receiving warnings.
The system was also put to the test in 2008, when an exploding nail gun cartridge was mistaken for gunfire. Only one dorm was locked down during that emergency, and it reopened two hours later.
Image Source: Michael Morrison (via Twitter)
A scene from today's shooting at Virginia Tech. (Image Source: Collegiate Times)
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Comments (179)
MongooseLg
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 2:11pmWhat is wrong with you people? Why turn it political? This is a SENSELESS act of violence, and has NOTHING to do with liberals OR conservatives. Instead of blaming people that have nothing to do with this, why not pray for the victims or this atrocious and horrendous development?
Report Post »BMartin1776
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 2:22pmNo no you are right ppl always try to politicize things. You have to understand though that almost everything in our lives is political though.
We now have more ppl falling as a result of it though! People politicized the first shooting and we get stricter laws in place.
Maybe if people were allowed to arm themselves this wouldnt have happened AGAIN. No its better to disarm law abiding people and expect criminals aka people who do not care about the law to jump on board with following the law.
“When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.” This govt from local, state to federal doesnt fear you America…http://alturl.com/fjzyk
Report Post »objectivetruth
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 2:26pmSimply put the other side will turn it political.Yes I have a heart.My condolences do go out to the victims.I‘m simply not willing to stick my head in the sand and pretend the other side won’t use this for there own selfish gain.
Report Post »WalterMitty
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 2:33pmThere’s no such thing as a “senseless act of violence”. All violence has a root-cause. That’s just a phrase the liberals have taught people to use when the reason for the violence makes liberals look bad.
In the end, the liberal philosophy creates corruption, violence, and lawlessness.
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 2:36pmIt’s only political when a muslim kills.Everyone else is mentally ill. Hypocrites!
Report Post »C-Delta Conductor
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 2:45pmPolitics steers the application of force based on how humans interact in cultures, societies, etc. This was a human interaction (altercation), and therefore falls under the purview of politics, why is that so offensive.
Report Post »Twinspeedr
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 2:51pmAmen, brother.
Report Post »Vechorik
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 2:53pmSpooky that Gingrich talked about this recently
http://seeker401.wordpress.com/2011/12/07/newt-gingrich-on-terror-attacks-they-should-every-once-in-a-while-have-allowed-an-attack-to-get-through/
Report Post »tweet
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 2:56pm@rose-ellen
Report Post »I am not a hypocrite!
Radical Muslims are mentally ill too. However, they are programmed from birth to kill. But wait…. they’re just following the Koran.
I.Gaspar
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 3:12pm@rustellen:
Report Post »Remember, guns don’t kill people; radical muslim extremists kill people.
SomeRandomPerson
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 3:15pm@Mongooselg Exactly. This is why I don’t comment much on this site anymore. It used to be a halfway decent site where you could comment and actually have a real discussion, but as usual with the internet, people have ignorant, rude, and just plain arrogant around here lately. Personally I’m in the middle somewhere politically, but there’s nothing political about this. Weather you’re Republican or Democrat, aside from self defense, killing is wrong. Period.
Report Post »Anonymous Leech
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 3:19pmI feel sorry that people died today in this act of violence and that the students of Virginia Tech have to go through this again. You say that we are blaming people that have nothing to do with it. I‘m sorry but I think you’re wrong. The people of Virginia, the administration of VT and the politicians are all in part at fault here. If after the first shooting they would have allowed people with concealed carry permits to carry a gun on campus there would have been some Immediate Responders on the seen that would have stopped the shooter before he was able to take his first shot.
Report Post »SgtB
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 3:25pmWe make it “political” because the politicians have made the place where this senseless murder happened into a “gun free zone” meaning that they took away the rights of the people in these areas to defend themselves from harm. I‘ll bet that two days a week you don’t walk by a sign that reads…
What to do in case of armed subjects…
retreat to an inside classroom and stay quiet…
Do you? It is ridiculous that we as a society will issue advice to people that has routinely shown to get people killed. And every time such advice is given it comes from the body politic, that is why these stories become political. I don’t pray for the victims of this horrible tragedy because A) I didn’t know them and I am sure that their families and local community already have that covered and B) they are already dead and their fate has already been decided by a higher power than I. My more pressing concern is keeping acts like this from happening to other people, not worrying about what has already transpired. And the only way that we can attempt to end any cold-blooded killing is to allow citizens the ability to practice their God-given rights and let them defend themselves when they need to. If you call that political then so be it. I see it as common sense.
Report Post »COFemale
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 3:29pmTell that to the victims families when it was VA Tech’s GUN FREE ZONE RULES that enabled this to happen. Please be the first to tell them this incident was not political. Come on, I challenge you to go publicly and say, This shooting was not due to political stupidity. What a putz?
Report Post »123456beatriz
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 3:44pmCrazy people everywhere
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 3:46pmOne day you right wing americans will be seen as having been mentally ill for not recognizing that the pursuit of happiness which you profess to believe in as an american value-has to include [in a 21stc post industrialized country of 350million people]the right to a home, a higher education[for qualified citizens], medical care and a job or living wage. People can not pursue happiness without those needs being met .That today you don’t believe in a guaranteed job or living wage or a guaranteed home and free higher education for qualified citizens and universal health care-will be seen as a symptom of your mental illness-the illness being the legacy of puritanical calvinist hyperindividualist mean spirited capitalism[dog eat dog, if you're rich you must be good-pull yourself up by your own bootstraps-society doesn't owe you anything].All values are relative including the religion of the right -Americanism.Americanism[of the right wing bent] will, like fundamentalist islam be seen as a mental illness. Your constituion-like the bible or koran can and have been interpreted to mean whatever people want it to mean. That you can’t see that as you wave your constituions like they have anything to say about right and wrong good and bad and what laws one should enact–is another delusion you retain.[the empeor has no clothes].
Report Post »I.Gaspar
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 3:59pm@crazyroseellen:
Report Post »You are already I-N-S-A-N-E !!!
It’s not a someday psycho reality fantasy, like yours…you are certifiable today. The only place your utopia will ever exist is in your tiny little head.
Knight Templar
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:17pmRose-Ellen you are delusional. You have my pity.
Report Post »ALLEGIANCE
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:22pmMongooselg, I assure you that you are wasting your time and breath with these people. These individuals are not REAL conservatives. They are lunatics who act out their entire existence based on emotions. I get tired of always reading LIBERALS coming from these people. It is like they feel that liberals control their destiny. It’s really annoying, sick and quite sad really.
drago
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:32pm@Mongoosleg
Report Post »Political, no, racial, maybe, why is it, that this guy is white, and even as this story is developing, we have a discription of the suspect, yet when a black commits a crime, its days before we find out they were black? Anyone want to take a stab at an answer to that question?
19RANDY59
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:40pmHey MongooseLG, pull your head out, it stinks in there
Report Post »Veritas Libertas
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:51pmRose-Ellen, careful or you’ll overdose. Seriously a few questions, if you don’t mind answering, how much are you paid to inhabit this site, do you multi-troll with different s/n’s, and are you paid per site you inhabit or just as a general contractor?
Sunstien’s strategy is brilliant, but your prose gave you away in this post. Total talking points, but effectively written even if refuted by common sense. The fallacy of the progressive/Marxist argument is it would replace individual greed with the insatiable greed of the state… which has the monopoly on the coercive use of force to achieve it’s ends.
Report Post »ProbIemSoIver
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 5:01pmBig freakin’ deal.
Report Post »Another over-hyped, MSM circus opportunity to divert attention from nefarious activities of other individuals and entities. Watch the other hand.
Do we not care about the OTHER COLLEGE STUDENTS that lost their lives today due to something other than gun-inflicted wounds.
The car-load of college kids that died last night up the highway, get minimal local coverage.
But because a gun was involved in this crime on a college campus, It is a world-wide media Circus !!!!
Give me a freak’ break !!!!!
decendentof56
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 5:29pmROSE-ELLEN….
Report Post »Thats because Muslims always kill.
JRook
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 5:30pm@BMartin1776 Ok so much for no politicizing it. It was an armed policeman that was shot. Are you really advocating arming every student on campus. If so, you are not political you are a ideological zealot and will thus be ignored.
ChiefGeorge
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 5:38pmI heard a news reporter on the radio describing this as “echos” from 2007 shootin which 33 were left dead. So two down is just an echo? Great, when I dead on the ground I’m sure it will only be because of some random echo from a distant crime or liberal public policy. I hope they get this person (s) and nail them to the wall.
Report Post »chitown
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 6:09pmSometimes the police really tick me off but it’s incidents like this that remind me what a tough and thankless job they have. I pray for this police officer and his family.
Report Post »TunaBlue
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 8:13pmHumans are violent! More people have been killed for political and religious differences and disagreements than for all other reasons. Others strike out to kill their tormentors (whether real or not), but sometimes, instead, they kill people who may represent those who torment them.
Report Post »black9897
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 9:02pmI live in VA. few hours from blacksburg. This was on the news allll day. Wonder what dude had against that one cop? Very sad.
Report Post »motonutt
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 11:37amFact: The OWS crowd were advocating shooting and killing cops just 2 or 3 weeks ago….
Report Post »Desert Dog
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 2:09pmTo shoot a cop over a traffic stop…………………He was wanted somewhere. And I’ll bet he/she was in jail before.
Report Post »capitalismrocks
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 2:14pmGenerally that is almost always the case, the person has a warrant out for them, or they are carrying a lot of drugs and such. Unfortunately the other side of it is you’ll get these rare“thrill kills” where a person wants to get pulled over to shoot a cop, you have to be seriously screwed in the head to actually want to kill a cop purposefully….
Report Post »hud
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 2:16pmNew recruitment poster, Go to VT and DIE.
Report Post »Uechi
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 2:23pmTraffic stops are one of the most dangerous things a police officer has to do. We will see how long it takes this senseless act of violence to become a ant-gin issue. Pray for the officers family and the other victims family too.
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 6:38pmUnless you’re a pacifist-all religions kill and so do all peoples. So muslims always kill is anti semetic [against arab/muslims this time ] propaganda.But give them some 21stc weapons and they’ll fight wars like you do.Until then as they say in western non muslim countries[and as their histories attes]-all’s fair in love and war.They didn’t invent killing -of civilians or otherwise-you’re just mad they brought you to the knowledge that there could be consequences to YOU for your policies toward THEM. That you could act with inpunity in the world is no longer a given thanks to those muslims . How dare they upset that apple cart? Hypocrites!
Report Post »Ohello
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 12:39am@RoseEllen
Report Post »Your posts betray your allegiance to death and violence and support of terrorism. Big Sis is looking for you!!
ZaphodsPlanet
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 3:13am@ROSE ELLEN…. you are freaking insane and ignorant. Walking proof that Liberalism is a Mental Disorder. I get on my knees and Thank GOD most every night that I pulled my head out of my butt a little over a decade ago now and realized what frauds liberalism/Socialism/Communism & “Humanism” are. You’re on the wrong side fruit loop. I hate to break it to you, but no matter how many times you keep repeating your mentally diminished mantra…. it will not make the lie any more true. You’re such a fool, but I hope you wake up someday soon before you find yourself at a point of no return.
Report Post »raderby
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 2:07pmso does VT allow guns in the hands of the responsible yet on campus? Sounds like a grassy knoll scenario development…..
Report Post »Exrepublisheep
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 2:12pm“hands of the responsible” Who determines that?
Report Post »SCHEXbp
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 2:17pmConceal-Carry laws do. There is almost NO incident of anyone with a CCL committing a crime like this.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 2:23pmNot you sheep, you don’t qualify.
Report Post »booger71
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 2:33pm“hands of the responsible” Who determines that?
Report Post »——————————————————————–
The 2nd Amendment already addresses this;
SoupSandwich
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 3:20pm@ raderb
Report Post »that hass actually been a topic this week with a pro-carry group. sort of spooky in that regard. they were at vcu (vacdl), not sure about tech, but recently. tech used to be full of cadets way back. sad.
DixT
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 10:30amTo all of you “against guns”: the FACT IS that most all crimes committed with a gun, are committed by persons who ARE NOT “Legal Gun Carriers”! Those who ARE responsible and legal gun carriers RARELY ever commit crimes with their “legal weapons”. There are FACTS to prove this. Perhaps you need to contact the Bureau of Justice Statistics for accurate information and reports, nationwide.
Report Post »thegreatcarnac
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 2:06pmVirginia Tech is liberal like most universities. Their answer to any danger is to hunker down, hide, and lock down until the state does something so you can come out of hiding. Firearms will never be allowed legally on that campus because it means individuals protecting themselves and others will one of those “evil guns”. Liberals want everyone to be lemmings. They want them to be helpless as baby rabbits while they go around with an armed security man. They live in walled communities. They want you to simply die waiting for police to save you. They do not want you armed because they want you helpless so they can do what they wish with you.
Report Post »HuckleberryFriend
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 2:20pmDamnit! Don‘t the criminals know it is illegal to have a gun on VT’s campus? They should make it MORE ILLEGAL! That will stop them. (SARCASM)
Report Post »ALLEGIANCE
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:48pmAre you an 8 year old or what. Why do you dummies constantly put politics into everything on God’s green earth. You sound absolutely insane. No matter what laws are put into place, a criminal will not follow them whether it be from a Liberal or a Conservative. And for you people who are so crazy for people to be allowed to carry guns, why do you think that just because a person is ALLOWED ( meaning not restricted in any way from carrying), that he would be able to do what is right all the time.I think most of the FAKE Conservatives are just so fixated on themselves being allowed to carry, and are not even concerned about what a law like that may do.It is very irresponsible to want every law abiding citizen to carry a fire arm, not knowing what their mental state may be. And there is no psych test given to people who are legally qualified to carry, to ensure that some nut job, won’t off his family, because he lost his job and his wife is nagging him about bills.
Report Post »ProbIemSoIver
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 5:18pm@Alligence
Report Post »You look like a real estage agent of an Attorney. Judging by your posts, you display the cerebral capacity of a 19-year old, with a formal education level of a 10th grader. You obviously are bereft of any ratiocination or political knowlege. Your nescience is promulgated, ad nauseam.
therefor you must be a Real Estate agent.
Do you have any comprehension of what ‘inalienable’ or ‘not to be infringed’ denotes?
Let me translate for a politically ignorant liberal; It means ‘Carved in stone’, ‘Cut and Dry’
or my favorite ‘ not to be interpreted by some bleach-blonde real estate bimbo.
Now, get out of here !!!!
MacPharlan
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 2:04pmI’d hate to be locked down in a classroom just waiting with no way to protect myself. That would be nerve racking, much like hiding in your house waiting for the police while you have a perp running around, only on a smaller scale.
Prayers to the families, hope they get this other person and put them down.
Report Post »@leftfighter
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 2:14pmI agree. Sitting in a classroom with no way to defend myself because the government has taken away my right to bear arms in a classroom would be a nightmare for me.
I realize this is counterintuitive, but the best way to make sure this doesn‘t continue to happen is to allow more guns in the hands of the People and more guns in places where they’re not presently allowed.
Where‘s the one place you won’t go fishing? Where you know the fish will bite back.
Where‘s the one place you won’t go hunting? Where you know the animals won’t shoot back.
It’s a proven fact that the chance of gun violence is reduced where would-be criminals know the victims can (and will) shoot back.
Report Post »randy
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 2:56pmI’m never without my concealed carry licensed weapon…. Gun Free zone or not.
I’m from New York (Yeah I know, I almost threw up in my mouth just saying that)
I was worried when I was stopped by a Texas State Trooper 2 weeks ago for switching lanes
without signaling. I was nervous because I had my weapon under the seat of the rental car.
Trooper asked me for my license and registration, then shortly after asked if I had any weapons in the vehicle. I nervously said “Yes” He then asked me why I was a little nervous. I said, I was worried I’d be going to jail because I did not have a Texas CCL…. He laughed and said not to worry, everyone in Texas carries a gun…. Did not need to ask for my NY State CCL, but showed it to him anyways…. Then asked me why I was in Texas. Told him I was checking some areas out prior to my future move to Texas. Can’t wait to live there! He let me go without a ticket…..
I’d rather be judged by a jury or 12 than at my funeral carried by 6.
Report Post »cromag11b
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 3:05pmRandy-
Report Post »Your the type that give other CCW people a bad name.
Gary Fishaholic
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 1:57pmOnly the unarmed citizens become victims why not have gun classes and teach proper use and care. Just like said before when seconds count the police are there in minutes. Not their fault just how it goes usually my prayers go out to the officer and family involved.
Report Post »Mtroom
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 2:41pmI do believe that gun safety should be taught to everyone, even if they never plan to own one…Knowing how they operate can, at times, be just as helpful as the gun itself…Do I feel a campus is the place for them?..No, not really…Campus security have enough problems with crimes, they don’t deserve guns thrown in the mix.. If you ask me, lock downs are best in cases like this…It will narrow down places for someone like this to go and allow it to be handled without a building to building search..Unfortunately these kind of crimes will never go away, ever…This isn’t political, 2nd amend. rights, or any other spin…This is a criminal committing a crime. My prayers to all this has effected..
Report Post »pandora
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 1:57pmNOT having guns is the reason why idiots feel free to open fire. If ten guns were pointed at the perpetrator, they’d think twice about shooting.
Report Post »THX-1138
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 1:54pmMy prayers go out to the Officer and his family.
Report Post »hi
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 2:00pmAmen.
Report Post »bhelmet
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 1:53pmOur society decays even further. Truly sad.
Report Post »Idahosauce
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 1:52pmAnother death on the alter of liberalism…
Report Post »Blackop
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 1:59pmYou meant to post in another thread.
Report Post »OhioRifleman
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 2:10pm@ Blackop:
It applies here. The whole idea of ‘thou shalt not own or carry guns’ is an inherently Left concept. This is another death + 2 wounded (as of right now) that can be laid on the Libbieturd’s altar of gun control.
Report Post »Veritas Libertas
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 1:50pmThoughts and prayers to the victims and their families. Watch Dr. Suzanna Gratia Hupp’s testimony before congress.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1u0Byq5Qis&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Report Post »objectivetruth
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 1:50pmSeems this happened near the campus and not on it.The shooter fled onto the grounds.There is something horribly wrong with the picture though.
Report Post »I agree cc would help tremendously.It isn’t the state of va thats a problem.Its the feds and school rules.We have other colleges in much more isolated areas who don’t have these problems.They are located in open carry areas.Just about all of virginia [but cities] is open carry.This school has a higher number of out of state and out of country students as well.It seems more liberals attend this school than others in our state.Note this is personal observation and reading.Sorry I don’t have a truly handy reference source for proof of my statement.Normally when I make a comment like that I’m able to back it with identifiable sources.
cromag11b
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 3:13pmNot in this instance. This wasn’t someone roaming around and then shooting someone. He shot a cop at a traffic stop and fled onto campus. This last thing you want to be when every cop in the county shoes up angry is holding a gun.
Report Post »American Chick
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 1:50pmIs anyone else NOT surprised by the convenient timing of this shooting with today’s hearings?
Report Post »neverending
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 1:53pmHit the nail on the head. The bastards in the admin will do anything – ANYTHING!!!
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 1:55pmHow sad.
What’s worse, the very first thing that came to mind was what you just mentioned. It bothers me that it even popped into my head, and it never has in the past.
My thoughts go out to the victims of this.
Report Post »RichNGadsden
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 2:00pmTruly makes me wonder what exactly these professors are indoctrinating their students to not only believe, but to actually do.
Report Post »Exrepublisheep
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 2:10pmI hear aluminum foil is on sale at walmart.
Report Post »objectivetruth
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 2:24pmI’m not.I hate to think they would go this far yet I know they will.In fact its been my observation that they will do just about anything.
Report Post »ALLEGIANCE
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:54pmSo American Chick, LOL, you are trying tot ell us, that the gunman was in cohoots with the liberals.
Report Post »WOW. Please tell me you are a Liberal Troll. I beg you to admit that. PLEASE!!!!!!
BurntHills
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 1:48pmGod bless the officer’s family.
Report Post »Charles
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 1:47pmRun and hide behind locked doors like frightened sheep ready for the slaughter. OR arm yourself and stop acting like cowards. There aren‘t enough police and they can’t be everywhere all the time to protect you. Its not their job to protect you its their job to make arrests and gather evidence (like dead sheeple) at crime scenes to use against suspects.
Report Post »FaithfulFriend
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 1:47pmIf an officer was the first shooting victim then it seems this is not a “spree” but the response of a murderous criminal during an encounter with the officer.
God’s mercy upon the families, and arm yourself. If not for your own protection then for the protection of others.
Report Post »Miami
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 1:39pmThe clock is counting down, by next summer we maybe in a full out civil war
Report Post »Ruler4You
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 1:49pmAlways, ALWAYS, carry. ALWAYS.
Report Post »objectivetruth
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 2:30pmI‘m truly amazed we aren’t already.Actually I thought it would happen a lot sooner.
Report Post »OhioRifleman
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 2:42pm@ Objective Truth
Winter is a p1ss-poor time to conduct such a campaign. Cold weather and lack of ready-available food sources would make things extremely tough for the urbanites that would provide the bulk of the Left‘s ’revolutionary forces’.
Report Post »PossumRoadkill
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 1:38pmThey should have had armed guards and allowed the faculty to carry handguns after the first instance.
I heard on the news this morning that here in Indiana a State Congressman is introducing legislation that will allow students on State campuses to carry handguns. I think this is a great idea and will reduce the potential for this kind of thing to happen here in Indiana if he can get it passed.
Report Post »TexasHunter
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 1:51pmYou can do that here in Texas. Also bring them to work. A lot less troubles. Owebama will spin this the other way to outlaw guns.
Report Post »spudwhite
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 1:36pmJust in time for “Fast and Furious” Holder to say see, Americans need to give up guns entirely cause these things keep happening.
Report Post »So sorry for the victims of this shooting, but I don’t trust the government and wonder if this is truly a “lone white male nut” or something more nefarious.
CatB
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 1:41pmBetter check the gun (s) see if they came from Fast and Furious (Holder and Obama).
TEA!
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 1:35pmMy heart goes out to everyone suffering through this.
Report Post »MisterB
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 1:30pmWhen are the gonna learn? Couldn’t they at least arm the student leaders, professors, and staff?
Report Post »Forcing our kids to be corralled into classrooms unprotected and unable to defend themselves (and advertising it) should be a crime.
FREDD The WILSON
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 1:28pmThe ACLU will be on their way once the suspect is apprehended.
Report Post »Solzhenitsin
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 1:25pmPraying for the officer and safety of all!
Report Post »TheDebtWeAllPay
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 1:29pm@Solzhenitsin i couldnt agree more
Report Post »TheDebtWeAllPay
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 1:25pmMore guns less crime
Report Post »Solzhenitsin
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 1:26pmThe Univeristy is a sitting duck with no armed security, students, staff or faculty.
Report Post »dthomps6
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 1:54pmI was going to say that. Please legalize concealed carry!
Report Post »booger71
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 2:38pmwas going to say that. Please legalize concealed carry!
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It already is by the 2nd Amendment, and I have exercised my natural right to carry for over 40 years.
762x51
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 1:16pmVT is, of course, running scared from what a happened a few years back when all those UNARMED students were killed by an untrained psycho with a new toy. Maybe instead of doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results they should try R.Lee Ermey’s approach in this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsVCHE7ayPE
Report Post »CatB
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 1:24pmYes .. how is that “gun free” zone working out? or as I like to call it “siting duck zone”. Time to let the LEGAL CCW holders carry and defend themselves and others.
Report Post »Perspective
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 1:26pmROFLMFAO that was great! Maybe VT should start offering firearms and CCW classes.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 1:33pmMaybe they should. More guns less crime … call the pollice .. when seconds count they are there in minutes .. if not longer.
Report Post »Miami
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 1:44pmPerspective
What do all these shooting have in common…? Gun free zones…!
How does that work again? Keep the law abiding un armed while the criminals are packing…
Report Post »The Divided States of America
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 1:48pmI like the wild wild west approach too, more guns less crime, but only if conservatives own 90% of the guns !!!
Report Post »progressiveslayer
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 2:34pmNow now folks settle down,you know as well as I the only thing that will prevent this from ever happening again is more gun laws.end sarcasm.Great video gotta love ole gunny.
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