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WaPo Editor’s Startling Defense of Catholics: ‘Maybe the Founders Were Wrong to Guarantee Free Exercise of Religion’

We’ve covered the hot debate raging between the Obama administration and the Catholic Church on this site. And we’ve covered plenty of arguments for and against the Obamacare mandate that businesses, through their insurers, offer free contraception. But we haven’t covered a defense quite like this. It goes like this: “Maybe the founders were wrong to guarantee free Exercise of religion,” but they did and the administration needs to respect that.

Wait, what?

That‘s what Washington Post editor Melinda Henneberger told MSNBC’s Chris Matthews last night while defending Catholics. Here’s the full quote:

“Maybe the Founders were wrong to guarantee free exercise of religion in the First Amendment but that is what they did and I don’t think we have to choose here.”

She went on to to say that “…What [the Obama administration is] doing is guaranteeing people, you know, these Catholic outfits and others can’t serve the populations that they were called to serve.” That’s a good point. But the comment about the founders seems startling. Newsbusters may have put it best when it said, “Henneberger’s larger point was defensive of the Catholic Church and of religious liberty. However, her comment on the First Amendment was poorly phrased.”

You can watch the segment below:

Newsbusters has the full transcript.

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  • Skee
    Posted on February 9, 2012 at 9:59am

    Athiests want their cake and eat it too.
    They want the church out of state, which I still can’t find in the constitution.
    Then they want the state to regulate the church.
    Freedom of religion not from religion appears in a personal letter to the Danbury
    Baptists from Jefferson. They’ve twisted the meaning of the words and used
    a personal letter from Jefferson as law.

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    • dnewton
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 10:06am

      I think the twisting of words started with the definition of abortion and contraception as ” health care.”

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    • ishka4me
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 10:31am

      WQhat most people outside of the Catholic Church don’t realize is that the Church is very liberal. In Massachusetts there are so many upset Catholics about the Bishop supporting oliberal democrats. For the Church to complain to Obama and read a letter at Mass is huge. This is Not the P T l reading a letter. As far as i know, in the history of our Country a letter has never been read at service against the President. This has very little to do with birth control, but is a mandate of church control. We will win this easy, Obama knows, he is just trying to squirm out now.

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    • shannontexas
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 10:34am

      Are people fools enough to allow ANY President to have the POWER to give you a waiver. Does having that waiver get you back on board his agenda? A Right granted by your Creator is now being given or taken away by the Government based on who runs the Government at the time. Are you foolish enough to believe that they won’t take it away from you later?

      This is a distraction of warfare on your rights… The discussion has been changed from the REPEAL of Obamacare to an Obamacare policy issue! The whole HC must be repealed not just bits of it! Once implemented the HC laws will remove the Chapel from the Hospital (Seperation of Church and State) The Bible in the Nightstand will be GONE! (Seperation of Church and State) One lawsuit against a person praying for a loved one will result in Prayer being banned in the Government regulated health facility (Seperation of Church and State)
      This HC law will be able to spread to EVERY aspect of our society and it seems it trumps your Constitutional rights!

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    • JohnofOregon
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 10:45am

      The good news is that the unanimous court decision from the supremes last month threw out the Jefferson letter stuff and instructed courts to base further decisions on the first amendment author Madison. Media people usually have a limited capacity to read outside the supreme leaders talking points.
      The hatred of religious convictions, symbols, and faith absolutely appall the supreme leader and him far left democrat followers and rino. Did you ever think there would be a day where the democrats would suggest eliminating the first amendment? They are. Did you ever think you see a day most politicians would want to through out the fourth amendment? They are. We know there will be a big push for the second amendment to be thrown out by the dems and the media. It’s telling that the media now suggests the founders were wrong.liberals freely state god got marriage wrong. God? they freely say Jesus got the importance of kids wrong. The arrogance of the establishmnt knows no bounds.

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    • Polwatcher
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 10:55am

      Regarding liberal Catholic Bishops…the chickens are finally coming home to roost. Lets see if the show-down results in the liberal Catholic Bishops caving in. In Massechusettes they caved with Romneycare/Obamacare. Romney would not grant a waiver for them.

      I once spoke with a high ranking conservative Catholic Priest and he said that there are 225 Catholic Bishops and that 200 of them ought to be fired. The lib Bishops don’t make any sense folks. They vote and support liberal Democrats and then complain when liberal Democrats do what liberal Democrats do and try to put them out of business. Make no mistake about this, if the Bishops cave (and they have historically been soft on abortion), they will be put out of business because they will have approved of abortion on demand. Abortion on demand is what we are talking about with this Obama order.

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    • Red1492
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 10:56am

      Uhhh…..wrong. I‘m an atheist and I don’t government regulation of churches anymore than I want religious regulation of my personal life.

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    • Senior Viking
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 11:32am

      The twisting of words began by calling homosexuals “gay”.
      There ain’t nothing gay about being queer.
      It’s the reverse – it’s sad.

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    • Dismayed Veteran
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 11:47am

      The Catholic Church in Nebraska is very conservative. Most members are vocally against the mandate. Red states are red states for a reason.

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    • ishka4me
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 12:08pm

      This is a clear loss for Obama. It just depends on how he loses; he could back off now and say the Church is right and anger the extreme left of the democrats, or he can defend the extreme left until the end. Either way he loses but will tell much about him.

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    • JohnofOregon
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 12:41pm

      @ishka4me. I disagree with you. It is a clear win for Obama. He will put the rule in place and it will stand. People will be pissed and the vanity of political leaders will force them to beat thier chests and say “he is wrong, the american people will not tolorate this“ ”we will stop it”. Then a few weeks go by, they go to the local bar and get drinks with thier democrat friends and forget about it. The media does thier job by changing the subject to whatever the supreme leader wants to do next, like gun banning.
      Then we wake up with no first, second, fourth and tenth amendments to the constitution. Then the local university starts dragging priest and pastors out of churchs and turning them over to the supreme leader for public ridicule and prosicution and yes…..the cycle starts over because establishment republicans want to cut deals and sell our kids into bondage (also currently unconstitutional)

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    • Community Agitator in Chief
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 1:22pm

      I’m just curious what the liberals find so confusing about ” CONGRESS shall make NO LAW respecting an establisment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” This is so unconstitutional it borders on the absurd, but then again what about liberalism isn’t absurd.

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    • Crush_Liberalism
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 1:44pm

      Well, if the Constitution is too restrictive for their liberal desires, they MUST look elsewhere (even foreign law?!?), and if they have to twist it…eehhh…it’s okay, as long as it advanced their agenda!
      Oh, and you’re right, the 1st Amendment forbids CONGRESS from passing into law a specific religion. That does NOT mean “no mention of religion in a US,State,County, or City environment! The House and Senate are FORBIDDEN to pass a LAW establishing a religion. Huge difference (how a judge in Alabama hanging a copy of the Ten Commandments is REMOTELY withing the lines of the CONGRESS passing a law is intentional false application…a judge is NOT Congress, although some tend to think they are)

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    • Jim S
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 2:31pm

      …So the Catholic church says Obamacare, with abortions etc, is OK with them AS long as they get exempt…and that’s the high moral ground ?…the Federal govt.pays for millions of abortions…why doesn’t the church refuse ALL funding from the govt?…zip,zero…oh wait,that would mean less $$$$…OK,never mind,we’ll stomp our feet for show and then shut up…just keep the $$$ coming…

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    • mtncrusr
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 2:47pm

      Please don’t equate anti-religion zealots with athiests. Athiests are not anti-church. By deffinition they (we) do not care about religion, but we want all people to enjoy life. So enjoy your religion. I am as angry about the Obasma edict as the as the Church. I don’t want the Government meddling in my life any more than Constitutionally empowered. So let’s reject Obamma and his Socialist ASAP>

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    • JohnofOregon
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 3:18pm

      “no law respecting an establishment……”

      respecting- to show consideration for; to concern or relate to

      establishment-to order, ordain, or enact (a law, statute, ect.)
      (such as establishing catholic, jew, prodestant, baptist, or church of england)

      The real hatred is the government establishment and liberal hatred of faith and it’s judgemental side from the creator. The very thought of the evil appitites of the government class such as adultry, drug addiction, child molestation, deviancey, ect. might make people judge them as inferoir is where true hatred from the political establishment over the working man (or woman) for daring to consider all good things come from faith or hard work.
      In the liberal mind, all good comes from the party, free this, free that. and they believe that they are the ones to be worshiped. Just watch the religous dogma of obama worshiped by the media every evening or mourning.

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    • cuinsong
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 4:42pm

      These people are so intelligent they have gone completely stupid . They prove that liberalism is a disease the facts are self evident. This is a sick and weakened lib who is up against a fact she can’t get over! You are sick sick sick & you need help. Who knows maybe she is save-able? Soooo I wrote her a prescription -er I mean a song called The Devils song. you need at least one listen in the morning and one listen just before bed time until you see the light!
      http://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/song_10789987
      For when you see your president in a new light! Called “Don’t Get Him Started” http://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/song_11916731

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    • hillbillyinny
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 4:44pm

      @ishka4me

      We KNOW the Bishops in MA are VERY LIBERAL–but so are many of their communiants! The Church has laws and they are solid, but PEOPLE “feel sorry” and bend the rules allowing many things that should not occur–Kennedys and others who claim to be Catholic because they were “born” in the Church, but who actually disagree with almost everything the Church stand for!

      The “bleed hearts” in the church (clergy and laity), would have the Church be a social justice organization rather than a bearer of the Gospel of Christ which includes helping neighbor but is much more concerned with a person’s soul and relationship with God through Jesus under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

      Others have commented about other large cities thinking that Catholics throughout the United States are like city liberals and/or progressive. Members of the Catholic Church, Evangelical Protestant Churches, LDS (Mormons), non-denominational groups and others groups of people that understand Jesus true message of “choose life,” will completely back the Bishops concerning this intrusion into Church responsibility.

      The liberal Catholic organizations that backed Obamacare and Romneycare, (many of which organizations receive funding from Soros and other progressive sources), have been double cross by the administration and are now screaming “foul”! Dance with the devil you may get burned. . .

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    • MarsBarsTru7
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 6:15pm

      When Christ said don’t cast your seeds among the stones – Exhibit A: adult American liberal atheists. Stone-dead stupid.

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    • onemansthoughts
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 9:31pm

      Jim S….I tend to agree with what you said….and I am a Christian…..I hate abortion and believe it is murder of innocent children……You cant have your cake and eat it too…..

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    • spirited
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 10:30pm

      @DNEWTON: You nailed it !

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    • WeDontNeedNoSteenkinBadges10
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 11:11pm

      “WATCH THE OTHER HAND”. “THE GUY IS DAVID COPPERDIELD.” -Glenn Beck

      Last time, Obama‘s minions started a fight with FoxNews they couldn’t win … it was a diversion. And then mandatory socialist HealthCare magically passed through Congress.

      This time, Obama‘s minions started a fight with the Catholic Church they couldn’t win. Why? What will magically appear while everyone (outside of Washington DC) is busy with this bluster?

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    • religiousfreedom
      Posted on February 10, 2012 at 7:03pm

      Jim S,churches are not supported by government.What money do they get?

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  • FoxholeAtheist
    Posted on February 9, 2012 at 9:57am

    This is stupid and the Obama administration should move forward with this. Take hospitals, for instance. When you go to seek medical care at a hospital, do you care if the hospital is Catholic or Protestant? Why would a nurse or a doctor care as long as there is a job to do? There are all different types of faiths working at hospitals who should have access to the same care as others working in other settings doing the same work. This is another instance of the control that religious organizations want over the health and well being of women and children. They don’t care about people. They only care about keeping control.

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    • Liberty2076
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 10:30am

      Speaking of caring, apparently you don’t care if the hospital is there or not. The same beliefs about the sacredness of human life that Catholics live by are the reason why they FOUND and OPERATE hospitals. So if you are happy to have them shut down so that your particular vision of humans free from any accountability to God for their God-given ability to reproduce can be imposed on people of all faiths, then who is doing the NOT CARING here.

      Or did I miss something, and you have founded a hospital somewhere?

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    • The Jewish Avenger
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 10:36am

      Pederast much?
      Of course a pedarast is really just a gay guy but ya lets put them all in category.
      Just like atheists are all suicidal emos looking for the next gay bar right?

      At best you categorizing a Catholic priest as a gay pedophile is just damn annoying. Of course I‘m sure you’d be more than glad to display that with a picket sign near the Mexican/Arizona border at 3am now wouldn’t you? (Didn’t think so)

      Go back upstairs loser, your mom just made some brownies for ya.

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    • trotula
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 10:41am

      Talk about control? Control? How about the government sticking its nose in and forcing people to pay for somthing their religion prohibits? How about the government dictating to you what product I MUST buy, ie health insurance that is in compliance to its own dictates…? If I don’t like the dictates of the Catholic Church, I can join another religion, or no religion at all. But, in order to be a “compliant American,” I HAVE to buy health insurance now, or face a fine. THIS is control…of men, women, AND children.

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    • mrtinbender
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 11:01am

      wake up,,,try to a least get the real issue,,its not birth control my friend

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    • Athanasius
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 11:02am

      Foxholeatheist, are you for real, or did someone just make you up to ridicule mindless leftist doublespeak? For instance, “They don’t care about people. They only care about keeping control.” So, the people who run the world’s largest (by a huge margin) non-governmental charitable enterprise don’t care about people and are looking to control others, but not the ones trying to shut down all the hospitals, schools etc. by forcing them to do things that they have condemned for thousands of years? Classic. And you, Encinom, I really couldn’t come up with a more ridculous yet typical example of hateful, small-minded leftist bigotry. I‘ve suspected that you’re a right-wing plant for a long time; after all, what fair-minded person would want to associate themselves with such petty nastiness?

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    • Red1492
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 11:10am

      Here’s the thing, I’m a working atheist with insurance that pays for my birth control (Mirena – it’s fantastic). I have previously worked for employers who did not cover birth control but were happy enough to cover meds that ensure 85 year old men can still get erections. Not fair but it’s the facts of life. During those times I bought and paid for my own birth control. No big deal, it’s not expensive and the poor can get it for free or nearly so at county health clinics – they just have to go. I’ve seen many a poor woman at the county clinic with all 5 or more of her kids in the waiting room while she waited to be seen for birth control.

      The great thing about living in America is that you don‘t have to be treated at a religious medical institute and you don’t have to work at one especially if birth control is the deciding factor on your list. Work elsewhere or move to a more metropolitan area that allows access to more choices. Live and let live. If religious institutes won’t provide birth control, that is there right. GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. I live in the Bible Belt. I wouldn’t be caught dead at a religious hospital, so I go elsewhere. Choice. Simple as that. You can’t force people to believe what you believe. Period.

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    • C. Schwehr
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 11:16am

      So you’re basically saying, “to hell with your belief system. I’m going to force you to abort children”? And how long have you been a member of the New Nazi Partei??

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    • maccow
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 11:53am

      Government is caring and charitable Church based organizations are not. This is the mind numbed brain washing that passes for liberal thought these days.

      The biggest question that I think many are getting distracted from is WHY does any business have to pay for contraception as part of health insurance? Only in this current administration did contraception become a government mandated right for all. They aren’t even arguing about the ability to pay as being a factor. The simple fact that one person‘s coverage may include free abortion pills means everyone’s insurance must. That is the over stepping control freak government that is the issue.
      We get caught up in their game of distraction, making this about separation of Church and State, while the real issue of over reaching government control and our liberties dying to the sound of thunderous applause goes on unchecked.
      When the administration makes a monstrous offense against the liberties of We the People every morning with it’s coffee, it becomes difficult to decide which offense to pursue impeachment charges on first. By the time congressional hearings could have gotten underway for how the health care law was enacted, it was old news replaced by twenty other high crimes and misdemeanors.

      Talk about the best defense being a good (never ending, flood of) offensiveness.

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    • encinom
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 12:16pm

      “Government is caring and charitable Church based organizations are not. This is the mind numbed brain washing that passes for liberal thought these days. ”

      Given that Cardinal Egan is taking back his mea culpa to the victims of the Catholic Priests, given the fact that the Catholic Church wants to be excluded from labor laws, the Catholic Church is proving that its not a caring institution.

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    • Dstarr55
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 1:00pm

      Fox, No women is being denied birth control or the morning after pill. There is a vending machine at a college that distributes the morning after pill – how hard is it to get if they have vending machines? You are putting forth the MSM’s false argument. The issue is should religious institutions be mandated by the federal government to pay for services they do not believe in? Should they be forced to go against their doctrine by a government whose constitution states otherwise? And to further say the Catholic Church does not care for people belies the many charitable institutions that are being affected by this mandate. Access to birth control and the morning after pill is there – that is not the point – cost is also not the point as the cost is minimal and in some cases can be obtained free of charge. The point is religious freedom from government intrusion and everyone should be fearful of that – even Atheists. I’m not Catholic but feel the need to support their struggles against an administration that is chipping away at their freedom because next time they might be chipping away at mine.

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    • angelcat
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 1:08pm

      If those who work at the hospital want their birth control funded by the hospital insurance, they should quit working at the hospital. They can go to Planned Parenthood for almost free or free birth control or they can pay for their own if they want to keep the job. They know what the insurance will cover when they are given their insurance information. No one forces them to take the job. Besides, birth control is not a health issue. Pregnanacy is NOT an illness.

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    • speedy7201
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 1:28pm

      Why would a non believer go to a Catholic Church? This has NOTHING to do with patient’s, this has everything to do with Gov‘t telling the church what it can and cannot do with it’s belief’s..
      Folk’s, it is about that time !!!!!!

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    • rienheart
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 1:37pm

      Constitution Trumps all except for Liberal Ideology. That is where The Constitution gets flushed. When it is totally overthrown then all you Liberals who want to protest anything will be shut down, jailed and or Executed after you have been tortured. You will have NO Civil Rights, NO right to assemble, NO right to any Religion except what the Government tells you to worship, NO right to Council, NO right to anything other than what the government lets you have and they will not let you have any Rights.

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    • conbones
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 1:50pm

      @Red
      its not fair cause people are against killing baby’s?
      just imagine if your mom worshiped birth control the world would probly be a better place but then you would have been MURDERED before you got the chance to meet her. just like the millions of MURDERED BABYS who never had a chance to hug or be hugged.
      do you like being hugged or loved. if you have practiced abortion you are a murderer.
      and you should be prosecuted as such. their is no excuse for murder especially when the victims are BABY’S!!!!

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    • therockczar
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 2:49pm

      You are an idiot, foxholeatheist. You want separation of church and state yet want the government to mandate what the church should do. Read and study the Constitution, live by it or get the hell out of America!!!

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    • FNTM
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 3:42pm

      @Encinom – I’m still wanting to know who is paying you to troll these boards.

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    • bigspike
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 4:04pm

      if you can actually claim that the State has the right to compel a church to pay for something that is against their religious principles without laughing or gagging, you’re too far gone for reason to reach

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    • gjbare
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:32pm

      This is about the Government taking the 1st Amendment and trashing it. First the Government comes for the 1st Amendment and then the 2nd and so on until it will hit you square in the face and then you will be hollering how can they do that????

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    • encinom
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 6:32pm

      speedy7201
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 1:28pm
      Why would a non believer go to a Catholic Church?
      _____________________________________________
      Nobody is compelling a churhc to provide this, what they are saying is, if you operate a unversity, hospital, nursing home, etc. the insurance for employees at those institutions may have the option to have their birth control covered. This is an employment issue, not religious. 20+ States already require the Catholic Church to provide such coverage. This is a large hissy fit being thrown by the bishops.

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    • SCHEXbp
      Posted on February 10, 2012 at 3:34am

      RED1492
      It is always said that if men get Viagra, women should get birth control. Viagra is for erectile DYSFUNCTION (health problem, when something is NOT working correctly). Birth control is to keep a properly operating reproductive system from functioning as intended. It is NOT a health issue in & of itself. That distinction should clarify that these are NOT equivalent health issues! Justify it some other way….

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    • girlnurse
      Posted on February 10, 2012 at 3:37am

      I care because Im a nurse and I would rather not work at a hospital where they gladly tear a baby apart limb from limb and then lay it aside like an old dish rag hoping it wont start breathing while one the same size is happily being born and gladly excepted in the room next door. Catholic hospitals don’t do that…most others do. I’m not Catholic but I appreciate them for that.

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    • Ken
      Posted on February 13, 2012 at 1:47am

      Obviously as an atheist you have no value whatsoever with those who value religion and have their own moral code. The Constitution protects religion and I would encourage you to move to Cuba where they share your belief system. After all, Michael Moore said the Cuban healthcare system was great. Take some of your liberal friends there with you, would you please?

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  • OBAMA IS A FOUL EVIL TRAITOR
    Posted on February 9, 2012 at 9:56am

    These are Dark and Dangerous days. Even our Military leaders are turning against America and the Constitution and following after Obama Satan. Our families are split in half and half have chosen darkness and support Evil. Obama’s message of Socialism and Marxism has spread like wildfire across this Nation. Our teachers are teaching our babies how evil America is now and how wonderful “Gay Penguins” and Homosexuality are. A massive and dark Blanket of Evil has spread across America and it is only going to get a thousand times worse as we approach the 70th Week of Daniel or the Last 7 years of Trials and Tribulations. America will suffer a total economic collapse in the coming months and will be joined with Mexico and Canada into the North American Union, a precursor to the One World Government that will be headed by the Antichrist. I lament the coming death of our Mighty Stars and Stripes, it is an unbearable Sorrow. Obama is 10,000 Times more Evil than Adolph Hitler ever thought of being though few realize it or even begin to realize what his Evil plans for America and White people are. Evil will triumph for a little while but then our very Creator Jesus Christ will Slay them all with the Sword of Truth! Come sooner Most High God, Come sooner.

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    • Quiata
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 11:53am

      You’re not for real. A total plant.

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  • Mike Benton
    Posted on February 9, 2012 at 9:55am

    Birth control comes in two basic forms: Self control and pills. (leave out condoms…you can get them in any washroom).
    Why do I have to pay for someone else’s lack of self control? Answer that question and we can move on.

    Liberals don’t want any rules…not from the Constitution and not from any Church.

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    • Red1492
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 11:17am

      Spoken like a true male who will never pay the physical consequences of rape, child birth, uterine cancer or endometriosis – all of which birth control can prevent and/or control. You’re also behind the times. There are plenty of options for women besides condoms, abstinence and pills. The best options inter-uterine devices that last 5 years at time. That aside, I do not endorse government treading over our religious liberties or lack there of. However, here is the turd in the punch bowl: All of these religious institutions are granted state federal tax dollars….You take money from the government, they’ll take from you. Religious institutions should rely on themselves like any capable person of worth.

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    • Quiata
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 12:02pm

      No, Red….Mike’s point is not about being an insensitive male regarding feminine health needs. It‘s about who is ultimately financially responsible for other people’s behaviors and the consequences of those behaviors.

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    • sodacrackers2
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 8:04pm

      Red, honey, all of the “government’s” money is taken from us and then used by them to bribe us for votes.

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    • SCHEXbp
      Posted on February 10, 2012 at 3:28am

      There is also a point never mentioned in imagining male-female health care equivalents. It is always said that if men get Viagra, women should get birth control. Viagra is for erectile DYSFUNCTION (health problem, when something is NOT working correctly). Birth control is to keep a properly operating reproductive system from functioning as intended. It is NOT a health issue in & of itself. That distinction should clarify that these are NOT equivalent health issues! Justify it some other way….

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  • olddog
    Posted on February 9, 2012 at 9:54am

    Is there any question that the leftist communist will take all your freedoms away and boy how they’d like to get hold of your guns, so you can’t fight back..

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  • jakartaman
    Posted on February 9, 2012 at 9:53am

    I just hate it when that old old rag of a Constitution gets in my way!!

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    • Ran60
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 10:18am

      And perhaps the founders also erred when they put that whole freedom of the press thing into that old piece of parchment.

      Makes me glad I never started a family…I would die of worry if I had to raise a child today.

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  • Johann
    Posted on February 9, 2012 at 9:50am

    As a practicing Roman Catholic I feel the greater danger comes from all the Cinos (Catholics in name only) out there. People like Mathews, Pelosi, Sibelius, Biden, Sebelius, Senators Casey and Kerry et al, and so called Catholic institutions like Georgetown and Notre Dame who have given their allegiance to the Obama regime. These people should be excommunicated immediately; the problem is that the American Catholic bishops have kowtowed for too long to the Democrat party; they served as patsies for the Kennedy family, Cardinal Cushing in Boston was on Joe Kennedy’s payroll and now their chickens have come home to roost. Faithful Catholics should prepare for the fate that Catholics suffered in Communist countries like Poland and we must go underground; many of our priests and bishops have already become apostates for Obama and will not support us. The situation for traditional religions in the New American World State is perilous and the shadow of State sponsored persecution is palpable. America delenda est.

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    • 3monkeysmomma
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 11:59am

      I feel the same way.

      In 2008, I can remember being sickened walking through my church parking lot and seeing all the “Obama” bumper stickers. Catholics can be so naive!

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    • blackstone22
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 2:31pm

      Amen, well said Johann

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  • JP16
    Posted on February 9, 2012 at 9:47am

    A sad day when people actually think that the beliefs of the government should be the only beliefs allowed to be followed. You take away the right to follow the beliefs of a religion and citizens can lose all God-given rights.

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    • bigspike
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 4:05pm

      the problem is, to the Left, Government IS their God

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  • mrsalvage2
    Posted on February 9, 2012 at 9:45am

    The Founders did that for many reasons. mostly because they were forced by the Baptists, whose blood is the only Christian Blood that cries from the Ground against other Christians from Mass. in the 600′s to North Carolina at the Battle of Alamance.

    It was the baptist who could not marry, own land, gather for worship, establish schools, or be in Government under Gov. Tryon, who had a price on the head of Daniel Boone.

    It was the baptists who went into the Mtns and established the first American Rep., Watauga and George III did not fire a shot in emanciapting them.

    It was the Baptists who changed the game in the South at the Battle of Kings Mtn when the Cong. was just about to surrender in York PA.

    It was Kings Mtn Hero Sevier who had three Cousins who he met with regularly East of Knoxville, Houston, Austin, and Crockett.

    It was Baptists still being imprisoned for not paying the Parsonage Tax in Mass even into 1806, despite the 1st Amendment.

    So who wrote this all out of history?
    Harvard, Princeton, and Yale, Puritans and Presbyterians.

    Where is Cornwalis’ Surrender Sword?

    Not the Whitehouse, nor the Rotunda of the Capital, and not in the Office of the JC of Staff.

    The Holy Grail of the moment of the Birth of America because of the muzzle of a gun is in the John Gano Chapel in a little known Baptist college.

    More Baptists were tortured and killed by allegedly christian Colonies than witches.

    It is a Baptist Nation. Learn to love it.

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    • C. Schwehr
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 11:23am

      Kindly take your “Baptist Nation” and shove it.

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    • 3monkeysmomma
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 12:04pm

      I left the Baptist church at the age of 17 because I got tired of hearing the “n word” from the pastor.
      Bigotry is not what Jesus taught us, be it against blacks or other christians. You might want to think on that a bit Mr. “Baptist nation”.

      I attend the Catholic Church these days, and they certainly have their faults too, but they do a much better job of “loving thy neighbor” in my opinion.

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    • girlnurse
      Posted on February 10, 2012 at 3:28am

      @3MONKEYSMOMMA: Who are you kidding?! I think you are mistaken about hearing the “n” word in your Baptist church! You must have been sitting in Obama’s church! gimmme a break..

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  • otoa
    Posted on February 9, 2012 at 9:36am

    Romney on Romneycare: First Subsidize, Then Mandate go to mark levin and view the article and video

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  • shogun459
    Posted on February 9, 2012 at 9:30am

    The remark was not an accident. She meant what she said. These people support Che for God’s sake! You Think the Idea of killing their enemies to smooth the transition hasn’t crossed her mind?

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  • TEARS FOR AMERICA
    Posted on February 9, 2012 at 9:29am

    Ms. Henneberger said, “What [the Obama administration is] doing is guaranteeing people, you know, these Catholic outfits and others can’t serve the populations that they were called to serve.”

    These institutions of healthcare ARE serving the women under their services-they just do not provide abortifacients which are instruments of death. You cannot justify, President Obama, the raping of the Constitution and the American conscience to further your social tyranny.

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  • right
    Posted on February 9, 2012 at 9:27am

    No matter what words she used she let her true feelings known.
    “Maybe the Founders were wrong to guarantee free exercise of religion in the First Amendment”.
    She doesn’t seem to think we should have freedom OF religion. Must think we should have freedom FROM religion.

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    • kfalcon22000
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 9:55am

      The protection of religious faith is the foundation for freedom. That is why it is the very first aspect of the “Bill of Rights”. There is no other place in the world that has freedom. Only the U.S. For our founders believed that all rights as human beings come from God. The governments sole purpose is to protect these God given rights.

      Liberals think that rights should come from government. But when governments give rights, they eventually take them away. Will any other government ever last even 100 years? Forget about them lasting as long as ours has.

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  • who_is_john_galt_in_RI
    Posted on February 9, 2012 at 9:21am

    i think that the founders were actually wrong about the whole 1st amendment thing, they were wrong about freedom of religion, speech, press and assembly. we should repeal this amendment. it’s an old and tiresome idea.

    let us bow our heads and pray for our daily bread from the almighty Barak Hussein Obama…

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    • nocalifornia
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 9:33am

      I personally love sarcasm like this, it makes people really think about what is really happening in this country under the current dictatorial administration. I wonder how long before old Harry the comie Reed tries to introduce a bill repealing the first amendment?

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  • Nemo13
    Posted on February 9, 2012 at 9:20am

    I’m tired of gheys, I tired of atheists, I’m tired of freaked out liberals, can we just get together on this and put them all back in the closet? I mean seriously… Is the MAJORITY in this country really interested in following these mental midgets? Hmm?

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    • cessna152
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 9:36am

      Problem is, they’re in the position holding the power (politicians, Judges, etc) and us Christians are tolerant and law abiding. They know it and have cornered us: If we do nothing they win and if we do something they demonize, clamp down and win. What did Daniel do when he was trapped? He prayed and trusted in God. How about Paul and all the Prophets? They prayed and trusted in God…

      I know, I know we need to be retroactive. Believe me, I have gone to many Tea parties, town halls, wrote to congress, senate, state. Fought gay agenda, had bank account compromised, threats, etc. But you know what, God got me through it and when God’s timing was “right” that’s when action stepped in. Please, we all need to agree to pray as a nation fort he country to come back to God and to leave the fight in God’s hands. If we trust God to take it he’ll prompt us at the right time to do something. Please people, we can not do this without God. Pray as in James 1:5 for Wisdom and direction!!!

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  • rich43068
    Posted on February 9, 2012 at 9:20am

    We just ned to rid ourselves of this dusty constitution and the religious foundations of this country … how else can we inpose our new enlightened, more evolved dictatorship peacefully?
    Transformation complete in 2013 when Obama is re-elected …
    FYI, 20% of republicans support Obama’s goals … when asked by a Saul Alinsky trained reporter.

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  • garygromele
    Posted on February 9, 2012 at 9:18am

    I just love the stupid header in the picture frame stating “Lean Forward”. Well, lean forward far enough you’ll fall flat on your face! It’s a perfect analogy of the progressive left…

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    • bigspike
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 4:08pm

      it‘s just their ’polite’ way of telling America “bend over, the ‘tolerant progressives’ are here”

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  • JUSTANOTHEROPINION
    Posted on February 9, 2012 at 9:17am

    Attacks on Religion, attacks on the Constution of The United States Of America and attacks on our Countrys founders, I don‘t know about anybody else but I’m sick of it. If they do not like the United States Of America they can have California and call it The United State Of America Hating Comunists. And that’s all I have to say about that!

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    • MFHorn3
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 12:10pm

      Obamacare is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you’re gonna get.

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  • momrules
    Posted on February 9, 2012 at 9:14am

    Seemingly on the side of the Catholics and religeous liberty while bashing the founders and the Constitution in the same breath. You are either for liberty or against it, pick a side lady.

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  • RJJinGadsden
    Posted on February 9, 2012 at 9:12am

    Listening to Chris Mathews’ voice is about as welcome as nails on a chalkboard, but I would have listened to this interview to get the whole story. First, I can’t expect Melinda Henneberger from the Washington Post to stand up to defend the Catholic Church any further than I could pick her up and hurl her. If this story was played out with pro and con guest speakers it was definitely skewed to meet their expected outcome. Typical BSNBC.

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  • Gonzo
    Posted on February 9, 2012 at 9:11am

    In 2009 Melinda Henneberger proclaimed “Ted Kennedy has been a huge inspiration to me”.
    So this was probably not a slip of the tongue.

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    • C. Schwehr
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 11:27am

      No it wasn’t. And it’s probably a very good indication of the actual thinking of the hard-core progressives who are in control of this country.

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  • semihardrock
    Posted on February 9, 2012 at 9:07am

    How else do you explain Homosexuals being promoted Nationally with ONLY 1-3% of the population? KILL RELIGION!

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    • TyrannyNoMore
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 1:25pm

      Atheists are also 1-3% of the population. Coincidence ??? Most homosexuals I have met in my life are indeed, atheists.

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  • jcizarter
    Posted on February 9, 2012 at 8:59am

    Maybe you are wrong Ms. Henneberger. You were educated ( indoctrinated by the Public School system ).

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  • byehlik
    Posted on February 9, 2012 at 8:58am

    Another Marxist in sheep’s clothing….

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  • Locked
    Posted on February 9, 2012 at 8:56am

    “Henneberger’s larger point was defensive of the Catholic Church and of religious liberty. However, her comment on the First Amendment was poorly phrased.”

    My thoughts exactly.

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    • objectivetruth
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 9:30am

      Not everyone is an eloquent speaker.She may fall in that category.She also may feel that the framers should have included a seperate clause specifically concerning freedom of religion.It isn‘t the first time I’ve heard this idea from both sides of the debate I might add.
      NOTE
      Her admiration of Kennedy though says volumes about her probable mind set.

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    • NOTAMUSHROOM
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 10:02am

      You guys equivocate much? That’s a tool of the left folks.

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    • Therightsofbilly
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 11:35am

      @NOTAMUSHROOM

      Yes it is.

      And one of the two above is our EIC.

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