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Warren Jeffs Allegedly in Coma, Near Death After Hunger Strike

Warren Jeffs Polygamist Cult Hunger Strike Coma

HOUSTON (The Blaze/AP) — Polygamist sect leader Warren Jeffs was hospitalized in critical condition Monday after telling corrections officers he’s fasted in the weeks since receiving a life sentence for sexually assaulting underage followers he took as spiritual brides, a prison official said.

The 55-year-old head of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, who has a history of refusing to eat while incarcerated, was stable, Texas Department of Criminal Justice spokeswoman Michelle Lyons told The Associated Press. It was uncertain how long he would be hospitalized.

Jeffs attorney Emily Detoto told the AP her client “hasn’t been feeling well” and was taken to East Texas Medical Center in Tyler on Sunday night. She declined to elaborate.

Lyons said Jeffs told corrections officers he’s fasted in the time since his conviction earlier this month, though it was not immediately clear how long he’d gone without food before being hospitalized.

During Jeffs’ trial, prosecutors used DNA evidence to show he fathered a child with a 15-year-old and played an audio recording of what they said was him sexually assaulting a 12-year-old. Both were among 24 underage wives who prosecutors said Jeffs collected.

Court documents show Jeffs tried to hang himself in January 2007 while awaiting trial on rape charges in Washington County, Utah. He also threw himself against the walls of his cell and banged his head, although he later told a mental health expert he really wasn’t trying to kill himself.

During a visit with a brother that same month that was videotaped by jail officials, Jeffs said he’d been fasting for three days and remained awake during the night. Days later, he was taken to a hospital and given medication for depression. The court documents said he’d lost 30 pounds, was dehydrated and suffering from sleep deprivation.

Jeffs also had to be temporarily force-fed in 2009 while in the Kingman, Ariz., jail.

In Texas, Jeffs has been in protective custody, which is among the most restrictive forms of imprisonment in the state. He was to be alone in his cell daily, not be involved in any work programs and to be out of his cell only to shower and for recreation by himself.

Jeffs is among only 85 inmates in the 156,000-prisoner Texas corrections system to be assigned protective custody.

The life sentence was the harshest possible for Jeffs‘ convictions and he isn’t eligible for parole until he is at least 100 years old. He had been in a Huntsville prison immediately after his trial, then was moved last week to the Powledge Unit outside Palestine, about 100 miles southeast of Dallas.

Former church members have said Jeffs likely would continue to lead his Utah-based church from inside prison and that his followers likely still revere him as a prophet despite the considerable evidence presented at his trial showing he sexually assaulted girls as young as 12.

The basic principles of Jeffs’ fundamentalist sect are rooted in polygamy, a legacy of early Mormon church teachings that held plural marriage brought exaltation in heaven. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, the mainstream Mormon church, abandoned the practice in 1890 as a condition of Utah’s statehood and excommunicates members who engage in the practice.

Meanwhile ABC News is reporting that Jeffs is in a coma, according to a source close to him.  However, the Texas Department of Criminal Justice would not confirm the report.

Comments (186)

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  • junkmaninohio
    Posted on August 29, 2011 at 7:18pm

    Listen Texas…let this child molester die in his cell. He’s not worthy of being called a human being.

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    • PATTY HENRY
      Posted on August 29, 2011 at 8:42pm

      YO SCOTT (EDITOR) can you please do ME a favor…do not publish this man’s picture. HE is so nauseating to me that I don‘t even want to come on the BLAZE with this freak’s photos. Seriously.

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    • PATTY HENRY
      Posted on August 29, 2011 at 8:45pm

      I’ve asked SCOTT EDITOR to figure out a button that we can click to delete (from our view) articles that are offensive.

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    • TheValley
      Posted on August 29, 2011 at 9:01pm

      Please, “delete from your view?” are you serious? Don’t read it, no one is forcing you, there are some of us a little more grown up than to ask for things to be hidden from our view.
      “He who dares not offend, can not tell the truth”
      ~Thomas Paine

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    • chazman
      Posted on August 29, 2011 at 9:16pm

      For those of us that have kids, please, BLAZE, do not show this child molester’s face anymore …

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    • teamarcheson
      Posted on August 29, 2011 at 9:28pm

      Terri Schiavo was starved to death in a Clearwater, Florida nursing home with the blessings of the Leftist Liberal Federal Court and the Democrat Party. We were told death by starvation and thirst was very humane and pleasant. I want this dude to turn into a living skeleton and die the pleasant death he is promised, Death with Dignity.

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    • Elena2010
      Posted on August 29, 2011 at 9:28pm

      Yeah, I never understood that whole hunger strike thing…

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    • tketterer
      Posted on August 29, 2011 at 9:39pm

      Shouldn’t Joe Smith or the living prophet be predicting whatsa gonna happen to jeffs? And before everyone goes “he’s not a mormon” on me, yes he is, more so than any of current mormons because he doesn’t hide behind the lie.

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    • mils
      Posted on August 29, 2011 at 9:39pm

      cool….he’ll be leaving soon..

      the hurt and heartache this man has spread is something the law should have done something about many years ago. Yep, the young men were made to leave so that they didn’t tempt the young women, because there were some decrepit oldoldold men who wanted those 12 year old virgins.

      Die bastard

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    • Darren
      Posted on August 29, 2011 at 10:37pm

      Tketterer;

      please rerfrane from libelous accusations. Jeff warrens is not, nor ever was, a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. There is absolutely nothing you can do t oshow otherwise. There’s nothing you can do to show connection between Warrens and Joseph Smith and child moelsation. NOTHING.

      I do ask that you do not attack the LDS Church in light of this monster Jeff Warrens. There is no connection.

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    • getalong
      Posted on August 29, 2011 at 11:24pm

      Not surprised at all that this coward took the easy way out. Hopefully, his followers will see what a phony he was, and understand that Warren Jeffs is nothing more than a perverted old man who likes to molest innocent children.

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    • tketterer
      Posted on August 30, 2011 at 12:06am

      Darren… All kinds of connections to the child molester Joseph Smith who was a polygamist for 18 months before he revealed it to masses of blind followers……14 year old Helen Mar Kimball 16 year old Fanny Alger(his maid), his 17 year old adopted daughters(considered INCEST in the modern-day Bishop’s Handbook of Instructions), his mother/daughter combos & the 11 women that were already happily married to other men? Jeffs IS Joseph Smith reincarnated.

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    • Darren
      Posted on August 30, 2011 at 12:41am

      TKetterer;

      There is NO evidence of any sexual relations between Joseph Smith and enybody but Emma Smith. None. In the polyandrious marriages, Joseph smith remained close personal friends with the other husbands. That alone makes it highly improbable of any sexual relations. And besdies the fact that 14 and 16 was a normal marrying age (16 is still very common in several US states), there is still no edvidence of any sexual relations with them. Joseph Smith bore children with Emma Smith. DNA has eliminated all but one (tests either unconclusive or never done) person said to have been fathered by Joseph Smith.

      So, to accuse the Joseph Smith of pedophilia or the LDs Church of condoning it is nothing short of libelous and an absolute false witness born against your neighbor. These are nothing to which a professed Christian would want to mingle with. If your accusation if pedophilia, show some proof. I say there is none. You stand by yourself with conjecture which you attempt to morph into absolute fact. This is not obeying commandments by God.

      It amazes me that when people are convicted from fraud, to pedophilia to murder, it‘s the LDS Church’s fault according to professed “true Christians”.

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    • Darren
      Posted on August 30, 2011 at 12:49am

      “(16 is still very common in several US states)”

      Make that “(16 is still a very common legal age to marry in several US states)”. It’s definitely not a common age “to marry”.

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    • Darren
      Posted on August 30, 2011 at 12:51am

      In case this won’t post the first go around:

      “(16 is still very common in several US states)”

      Make that “(16 is still a very common legal age to marry in several US states)”. It’s definitely not a common age “to marry”.

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    • Eliasim
      Posted on August 30, 2011 at 1:58am

      Jeffs won’t last one year in prison because he will take his own life. He doesn’t have the kind of soul most Americans have in that they have the kind of souls which can be herded and bound by walls and fences and told they are free, and they believe it.

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    • Eliasim
      Posted on August 30, 2011 at 2:02am

      Most Americans are no different than cattle, and the way a cow can sit there behind a fence completely unaware of it’s own captivity, because it is dead inside. That is the life of an American.

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    • Eliasim
      Posted on August 30, 2011 at 2:05am

      I’m not saying he was just in his procedure, but he is just and true to his beliefs, which is more than most Americans.

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    • READRIGHTHERE
      Posted on August 30, 2011 at 3:37am

      Good job Darren, keep up the good work.

      This is a piece of poetic justice, he will suffer an ignominious death like Nehor before him. Good riddance. I hope at least some of his followers in Hilldale, Colorado City and Yearning for Zion are intelligent enough to take notice and ponder the meaning of these events and are inspired to reconsider their path. This is what happens when authority equals power and “priesthood” is used as a means to coerce. It corrupts, and it stinks, and evil returns to the one who brought it.

      His life, much like his hunger strike will soon be defined as it should be, meaningless.

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    • READRIGHTHERE
      Posted on August 30, 2011 at 3:49am

      Americans may be guilty of sleeping at the wheel, or of experiencing momentary (Election Day 2008, 1996, 1992, and 1976) lapses in good reason, and complacency to a point. And there are certainly some fences that have been erected that attempt to confine us that were not noticed by the majority in time (Health Care and Cap and Trade.) But as before, the giant is stirring awake, and soon Liberals will have to perform the equivalent of Kamikaze piloting, destroying themselves against him in an attempt to put him back to sleep. It did not work then and we have every reason to believe it will not work now.

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    • shadetree24
      Posted on August 30, 2011 at 9:11am

      adios amigo – let him starve.

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    • Joeyp22
      Posted on August 30, 2011 at 11:11am

      A Religious debate? A moral debate? A criminal debate? If it’s a religious debate we must look at the individual seperately from his religion, then we can examine his/her religion. There is a church in Topeka KS called Westboro Baptist that is a farce and holds not to the truths of the Bible. I as a Baptist look at them individually and examine them against scripture and then come to the conclusion they are a false church. The LDS cult as a whole can easily be unveiled by one simple question. Is Joseph Smith a false prophet? If he is then the religion of LDS that he founded is a false religion, it is a cult. Let’s examine if Joseph Smith contradicts the Bible and if any of his prophecies have failed. If either or both are true then he is a false prophet. In the “History of the Church” vol 2 page 189 Joseph Smith claimed that within 56 years Christ would return 1891 came and passed without Christ’s return. As we Christians can attest, Christ has not yet returned. A False Statement from a False prophet. There many others but it just takes one to make you a false prophet. As far as this man living or dying, God has not give man authority to control life or death. God is the author of life and death he only can give life, and he only has a right to take it away. Pray that this man comes to a true understanding of who God is and how he needs to repent and accept Christ as his Savior.

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    • Darren
      Posted on August 30, 2011 at 3:09pm

      Joey;

      I responded to this post on page four.

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  • zoro51
    Posted on August 29, 2011 at 7:10pm

    let the PEDOPHILE rot in hell PERIOD mormonism IS A CULT

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    • brian8793
      Posted on August 29, 2011 at 7:19pm

      Mormonism? You’re a MORON. Why don’t you learn something before you shooting your ignorrant mouth off?

      This isn’t Mormon you brain dead redneck…

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    • Cesium
      Posted on August 29, 2011 at 8:11pm

      huh.. and other religions are not cults at all.nooooo… Lucky modern believers have filtered out the evil parts of religion that are clear in the OT and NT, but that is what I call common sense.

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    • Minpin1985
      Posted on August 29, 2011 at 8:19pm

      Hey Brian: It is a sect of Momonism so before you go putting others down like that, do YOUR research. Mormonism, also known as Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, does have other sects of Mormonism. Warren Jeffs was apart of the FLDS: Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

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    • bikerr
      Posted on August 29, 2011 at 8:23pm

      @brian8793— Prove him wrong!?-show us If you were arrested for being a (Christian,Mormon,Muslim,)etc
      Would there be enough evidence to convict?. My belief is that it is cultish in a way,because of how his followers would still follow him.

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    • brian8793
      Posted on August 29, 2011 at 8:26pm

      Bullcrap, shirelover. I don’t care who they claim they originated from. They’re wacked out(FLDS). I live around a lot of Mormons and they are great people. It might not be my thing, but so what?

      All religions are cults. This man is a criminal who sleeps with little girls and you guys want to compare it The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints? That’s such a biggited, white trash thing to say.

      I feel sorry for any child that has to be exposed to this degree of ignorrance and hatred. When I see The Wesboro BAPTIST lunatics, I don’t associate them with ANY OTHER BAPTISTS.

      Isn’t tolerance and understanding a great thing?

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    • brian8793
      Posted on August 29, 2011 at 8:28pm

      Zoro, I don‘t understand what you’re talking about. Prove him wrong? Prove who wrong? I am right. I live around a ton of Mormons and I see missionaries all the time.

      If the Mormon Church is an evil cult, then so is EVERY OTHER CHRISTIAN FAITH ON THIS PLANET.(which I don’t think they are, I like them too)

      Peace man…

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    • Bluebonnet
      Posted on August 29, 2011 at 8:40pm

      The early morman church did believe in and practiced polygamy. They finally stopped polygamy and the ones who liked little girls (pedophile) broke away from the main church and continued to practice this despicable practice. I read the book “The God MAker” years ago about the church and do agree with a lot of it. Basically, Mormans are good people in their own way. I have some problems calling them Christians.
      I‘d hang that Jeffs by the ****** for what he’s done to the little girls. Unforgivable in God’s eyes. These women in this lifestyle are brain washed because they don’t know any better. The same as slaves for what they deal with in their pathetic lives. So degrading.

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    • inforodeo
      Posted on August 29, 2011 at 8:58pm

      Zoro -

      1) Jeffs is not a “Mormon” of the type you’re meaning to attack.His “FLDS” faith split off from the LDS church years ago and has little in common.
      2) if he were, his hunger strike is against the beliefs of the faith, as is his practicing polygamy and child molestation.

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    • tketterer
      Posted on August 29, 2011 at 9:46pm

      Brian, just because you know and hang with mormons doesn’t mean you know about the cult. Do some research read stuff from ex mormons even high up mormons like Park Romney. The only reason they aren‘t polygamsts in public does not mean they aren’t privately or spiritually as they call it. The only reason they stopped is because they were forced to by the government in order for utah to become a state. Please research before you go for the facade. Go ahead mormons call me out, but do the research that your bishops tell you not to first.

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    • rangerp
      Posted on August 29, 2011 at 10:15pm

      Aint America Great? we get to worship the way we want.

      The whole mormon deal is an interesting topic. As a Bible believing christian, I take it serious when the last chapter of the book of Revelation tells me that anyone who tries to add or take away from the Bible will be cursed. Joseph Smith added his book of Mormon. Been a while since studying it, but if not mistaken, he claimed that the native americans were a lost tribe of Israel. I believe that DNA sort of blew that theory out of the water. I believe the Bible 100%, I believe myself to be not worthy, and that Jesus paid a price for me, and my acceptence, makes me a christian. I am no theologian, but I have read the Bible a few times over. Just do not find anything that would lead me in the direction of the catholic or mormon church. The local New Testament Church seems a lot more in line with Bible truth. Still a fan of the 1st Ammendment, and folks can worship as they please.

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    • Darren
      Posted on August 29, 2011 at 10:43pm

      “just because you know and hang with mormons doesn’t mean you know about the cult.”

      Tketterer obviously doesn’t.

      “but do the research that your bishops tell you not to first”

      Let’s see, “as your bishops tell you not to first”? That affirms my statement.

      Case closed.

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    • Darren
      Posted on August 29, 2011 at 10:44pm

      While brian’s words may be harsh his assertion of Mormons and Mormonism is 100% accurate as far as I can tell. As why ask exMormons about mormonism? In me you have a Mormon for 40 years and I’ve done some studying. I promise I have.

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    • Darren
      Posted on August 29, 2011 at 10:52pm

      Bluebonnet;

      “I‘d hang that Jeffs by the ****** for what he’s done to the little girls. Unforgivable in God’s eyes. These women in this lifestyle are brain washed because they don’t know any better. The same as slaves for what they deal with in their pathetic lives. So degrading.”

      I 100% agree.

      I would also like to point out that under the Mormon practice of polygamy, much care was given to acondemn sexual acts with anyone of minor age. It was blatantly forbidden for any man to have any such relations with underaged girls. All relations were in accordance to the laws of the land.

      As for why it stopped, the LDS Church exhausted all resources t opreserve it. Frankly, I do not find the federal government needing to ban it though the voice ofthe people spoke and it was indeed outlawed. It was revelation that banned the practiced and then later nullify all polygamist marriages in the LDS faith. That‘s ocurred aorund the turn of the 20th century and that’s when sects such as Warren’s FLDS group popped up. These sects denounce the LDS Church as a fallen apostate church when it prohibited polygamy and anulled polygamist marriages.

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    • Darren
      Posted on August 29, 2011 at 11:02pm

      ranger;

      I sense that you arwe a good man. My personal take on Revelations is that it was written about the Book of Revelatons, not the bible as a whole. In fact the Bible was compiled long after Revelations was written. And the Book of mormon does not add to the Bible but confirms the veracity of the Bible.

      As for the DNA argument, since its inception there’s been the discovery of Haplogroup X. This strain of DNA is found uniquely in certain American Indians, Europeans and Israelis. No known Asian group is known to have Haplogroup X in their DNA. So for one thing, this certainly puts a dent into the Asian-only theory of the origins of the American Indians and it does open the door for the possibility of Jewish ancestory being part of the Native American biological evolution. A lengthy descrpition of Haplogroup X can be found on Jeff Lindsay’s site. I’ll provide a link below.

      Keep up your Bible studies. It’ll continue to bless you.

      Peace in our Savior, Christ the Lord.

      http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDSFAQ/DNA.shtml#x

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    • tketterer
      Posted on August 30, 2011 at 2:02am

      Why did Joseph Smith have 33 wives?
      Jacob 2: 24-30
      24 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none… For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things. The Lord is saying here that the only reason for more than one wife is to “raise up seed” unto Him. So big d Joey had no kids from other than emma.
      This here from familysearch.org and lds website. Their son was born 3/23/1844 three months before Joey was killed in a gun battle at carthage after he killed three people with a smuggled gun.
      Husband’s Name
      Joseph SMITH
      Born: 23 Dec 1805 Place: Sharon, Windsor, Vermont
      Died: 27 Jun 1844 Place: Carthage Jail, Hancock, Illinois
      Married: 17 Jan 1842 Place: Nauvoo, Hancock, Il
      Father: Joseph SMITH (AFN:4C9X-LR) Family
      Mother: Lucy MACK (AFN:4C9X-MX)
      Wife’s Name
      Mary Elizabeth ROLLINS (AFN:17RW-FT) Pedigree
      Born: 9 Apr 1818 Place: Lima, Livingston, Ny
      Died: 17 Dec 1913 Place: Minersville, Beaver, Ut
      Married: 17 Jan 1842 Place: Nauvoo, Hancock, Il
      Sex Name
      M Florentine Mattheas LIGHTNER (AFN:17RX-84) Pedigree

      Born: 23 Mar 1844 Place: Pontusue, Hancck, Il
      Died: 20 Sep 1847

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    • holy ghostbuster
      Posted on August 30, 2011 at 6:51am

      All religions are cults.

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    • rangerp
      Posted on August 30, 2011 at 10:24am

      @Darrin.

      Mormons teach that man can become God, and that God was once a man:

      This is plain and simple heresy. Nowhere does the Bible say or imply that God was ever a man, or that man can become God! Malachi 3:6 says, “For I am the LORD, I change not…” How could this be true if God was once a man? Genesis 1:1 states that God existed “in the beginning” before man was ever created. John 4:24 states that God is a “spirit,” and Jesus tells us in John 1:18 that no man has seen God at any time. Numbers 23:19 says that “God is not a man that he should lie; neither the son of man that he should repent.” God has always been God, and no one has ever “become” God.

      The Deity of Jesus Christ is a fundamental doctrine of Christianity, yet the Mormons deny this truth. Exalting man to “god status” is apparently alright, but Jesus Christ is not acknowledged as the eternal Son of God in the Mormon church. The Mormon Jesus was a preexisting spirit who was exalted, just as Mormon followers hope to be exalted someday.

      God is a Trinity (I Jn. 5:7), and the second Member of that Trinity is the Lord Jesus Christ. John 1:1 says that “the Word was God,” and John 1:14 tells us that “the Word was made flesh.” Jesus Christ is the Word incarnate, and John 1:1 tells us that the Word was God; so Jesus Christ is God.

      Jesus allowed Thomas to address Him as “My Lord and my God” in John 20:28. In Isaiah 9:6, He is called “The mighty God” and “The everlasting Father,” an

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    • tketterer
      Posted on August 30, 2011 at 10:48am

      rangerp….Darrel will now commence with the libelousness of your researched claims. Continue to post truth and maybe just one mormon will convert to true Christianity even if there is no religion attached as I am.

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    • rangerp
      Posted on August 30, 2011 at 11:44am

      @TKEETERER

      Thanks, sounds like you know a bit about mormons.

      James 1:27
      Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

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    • Darren
      Posted on August 30, 2011 at 3:38pm

      TK (con’t);

      “three months before Joey was killed in a gun battle at carthage after he killed three people with a smuggled gun.”

      Who did he kill? I honestly do not know anyone off the top of my head.

      Did Joseph smith have a gun in Carthage jail? Yes. Did he fire it? Yes. And I say good for him on both accounts. everybody knew the mob was coming when Governor Ford promised safety to Joseph smith and the other Mormon leaders if they followed him to Carthage Jail. Governor Ford left Carthage with his troops and did little to nothing to make sure that those left in charge would protect Smith and the others. Knowing the mob was coming guns were smuggled into the jail where these men were placed. The Mormon militia could have crushed the mob easily but the church chose not to use them. After shots were fired, Smith and other shot back.

      That’s my understanding of the events that took place.

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    • Darren
      Posted on August 30, 2011 at 4:21pm

      Tketterer;

      TK, this should have been my first post to you which did not seem to get published.

      Here’s Jacob 2 in its entirety:

      http://lds.org/scriptures/bofm/jacob/2?lang=eng

      Start with verse 23 and you’ll read, “23 But the word of God burdens me because of your grosser crimes. For behold, thus saith the Lord: This people begin to wax in iniquity; they understand not the scriptures, for they seek to excuse themselves in committing awhoredoms, because of the things which were written concerning David, and Solomon his son.”

      Jacob spoke to a people who were committing whoredoms and justifying their whoredoms by what Kings David and Solomon did in the past. Clearly the Lord did not authorize any sexual relation with these people except for whom they were married and that polygamy was not to be practiced by that people. Jacob did acknowledge that the Lord may authorize polygamy for the purpose of “raising up seed” unto Him. This applied to that people and their whoredoms. Joeseph Smith committed no whoredom and therefore this does not apply to him. To answer your question directly, I don’t know why Joseph smith entered into polygamous marriage. I do not think any reason has ever been given. My take is that it was to restore all things, Old and New Testament.

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    • Darren
      Posted on August 30, 2011 at 5:41pm

      Ranger;

      “Mormons teach that man can become God”

      That they can become like God, not God. This is the greatest of God’s blessings to those who are righteous and repent of their sins through the blood of His Son.

      “and that God was once a man”

      There have been Mormon leaders who have taught this and while I’m fine with the idea it has never been a part of official LDS doctrine and therefore it is not part of my faith, nor my worship. LDS worship centers on coming unto the Father through the Son. It is thoroughly a Christ-centered faith.

      “The Deity of Jesus Christ is a fundamental doctrine of Christianity, yet the Mormons deny this truth“ and ”but Jesus Christ is not acknowledged as the eternal Son of God in the Mormon church”

      This might help:

      http://lds.org/scriptures/tg/jesus-christ-only-begotten-son?lang=eng&letter=j

      From that link:

      “11 Wherefore, beloved brethren, be reconciled unto him through the atonement of Christ, his Only Begotten Son, and ye may obtain a resurrection, according to the power of the resurrection which is in Christ, and be presented as the first-fruits of Christ unto God, having faith, and obtained a good hope of glory in him before he manifesteth himself in the flesh.” (Jacob 4)

      and

      ” 33 But God did call on men, in the name of his Son, (this being the plan of redemption which was laid) saying: If ye will repent, and harden not your hearts, then will I have mercy upon you, through mine Only Begotten Son;

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    • Darren
      Posted on August 30, 2011 at 5:54pm

      (con’t)

      “God is a Trinity (I Jn. 5:7), and the second Member of that Trinity is the Lord Jesus Christ.”

      The Holy Trinity is an extra biblical formulation which occurred centuries after the Apostolic Era in the Council of Nicaea. This is when Christians set forth the philosophies of a metaphysical God with no parts or passion. My take is that the Nicene Creed moved Christianity away from a doctrinal base to a more philosophical one. That it forced doctrine to conform to philosophy, which is the antithesis of philosophy’s proper role in Christian theology.

      Holding to the belief that the Father and the Son is soundly biblical and Christian. You may believe that when God say “let us make man in our image” that God was talking to Himself or that one being was speaking to another. When Christ said that no one but the Father knows the time which Christ will return you may believe that the very being who does not know the time of His coming also knows the time of His coming, or that Christ was referring to a separate being who was still in heaven. You may believe that when Jesus said the Father is greater than He that the same being is greater than Himself or that one being was declaring greatness to another being other than Him. I simply say that the Bible can be best understood under the view that the Father and the Son are two separate beings yet perfectly united in purpose

      (con’t)

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    • Darren
      Posted on August 30, 2011 at 6:07pm

      (con’t)

      “In Isaiah 9:6, He is called “The mighty God” and “The everlasting Father,”

      And I absolutely love “For Unto Us A Child is Born” in Handel’s Messiah (best music ever written).

      “15 Teach them that redemption cometh through Christ the Lord, who is the very aEternal Father. Amen.” (Mosiah 16).

      As you can see, Mormon doctrine detaches nothing to contradict that universally Christian doctrine. What’s in question is interpretation, not one’s Christianity. To me, Jesus Christ as the Mediator between man and God the Father, he may manifest Himself as the Father. The closest earthly parallel I can think of is granting one power of Attorney. Under that power the recipient may act as if he or she is the very person who granted the power to him or her. Yes, scripture declare Christ as the Father but there are ample places where one can better understand Christ as one being physically separate from the Father yet one in purpose. Just before the Apostle Stephen was martyred we read, “55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,” (Acts 7). Simply interpreting that literally does not make one un-Christian and certainly not unbiblical.

      (con’t)

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    • Darren
      Posted on August 30, 2011 at 6:18pm

      (con’t)

      Finally there is the matter of many of the predominant early Christian fathers of the second, third, and even fourth centuries. Origen, clement of Alexandria, Iranaeus, and others all taught that the Father and the Son were separate beings united in purpose. Among them and other you will also find teachings of the deification of man through Christ. Were they not Christian? Were they unbiblical? I say nay to either. Ante-Nicene Christians had firm beliefs that are today uniquely LDS. The LDS Church is indeed a restoration of god’s truths lost during the centuries. Joseph Smith was a true prophet of God and Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God. He is the Only Begotten of the Father. He is Alpha and Omega. He is the only way for eternal salvation.

      Peace in our Lord and Savior, Jesus the Christ.

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    • rangerp
      Posted on August 30, 2011 at 7:27pm

      @ Mr Darrin

      Looks like you been down this road a time or two, and are pretty well trained in defending your faith.

      It led me to some more study on my own, and I went back and checked the DNA stuff. I do not think your claims hold water, and the native american does not have a genetic tie to Israel.

      How many times has the book of mormon been updated? or how many times do your religious leaders have to come behind and mop up because of descrpenecies? From what I read, it happens often.

      My Bible does not change, and each book contributes to the Bible as a whole.

      I spent much time in the middle east. Your Joseph Smith sure seems to have much in common with Islam’s false prophet Muhammed. I notice that both religions had a split down the middle, and have to mop up earlier translations and errors.

      I think I am confident to stick wtih my good old fashioned King James Version.

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    • Darren
      Posted on August 31, 2011 at 8:43am

      Ranger;

      ” I do not think your claims hold water, and the native american does not have a genetic tie to Israel.”

      Did you read my link? I do not think DNA will prove nor disprove the Book of Mormon any more than it will prove or disprove the Bible. But the discovery of Haplogroup X does open the door to the possibility of the American Indians having Israeli ancestory. New discoveries may later discredit that idea but it willl not bother me if it does. It’s notthe science of man by which I know the Book of Mormon is true though I always support scientifc and archeological study.

      Do understand that I’ve recieved no formal trainin in talking about Mormonism. I know of nobody who has. Unlike anti-Mormon groups, there is no LDS training. It’s a matter od study and prayer. Let academic discoveries take you wherethey may bt always follow the Holy Spirit whic hguides individuals to truth.

      As for the changes in the BOM, most was done to move away from the Hebraic form of writing to a more 19th century English style. Most of the grammar errors were done at the printing press which the LDS Church did not own. Though changes have been made it’s frankly far less than the Bible. The KJV of the bible, btw, once forgot to insert “not” in “do not commit adultery”. It was jokinlgy known as the “dirty book” or something like that.

      (con’t)

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    • Darren
      Posted on August 31, 2011 at 8:58am

      (con’t)

      “My Bible does not change, and each book contributes to the Bible as a whole.”

      Same goes for the Book of Mormon. But both the Book of Mormon and ther Bible do have editions, as opposed to “changes” per se. That’s what I was referring to earlier.

      “how many times do your religious leaders have to come behind and mop up because of descrpenecies?”

      I suspect that you mean that you view them mopping up discrepencies. Probably nothing I have not heard of before.

      “I spent much time in the middle east. Your Joseph Smith sure seems to have much in common with Islam’s false prophet Muhammed”

      While I do not accept Muhammad as a true prophet of God, one thing you should not forget is that both Joseph Smith and muhammad stood against corrupt versions of Christianity. In Muhammad’s case, he saw vast destitution of people in the Christian nations. While I empathize with him I thoroughly agree with President Gorbon B. Hinkley when I heard him say on Larry King live something ot the affect of , “when it’s all said and done, Christianity is the greatest success story in history”.

      Keep up your Bible reading, it’ll always do you good. The KJV is the official version ofthe LDS Church and it’s had the most impact on English-speaking societies than any other book in history.

      Peace in Christ, my friend.

      http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/271337/bible-translation-changed-world-rich-lowry

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  • Magyar
    Posted on August 29, 2011 at 7:09pm

    PERFECT! $aving the taxpayer$ the cost of maintaining him to the end of his natural life BUT depriving Bubba of his just dues!

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  • Jenny Lind
    Posted on August 29, 2011 at 7:09pm

    Death will be a relief for him, and he has a lot to answer for on the other side. It’s interesting, we can hardly get murderors to die, but we want to keep prisioners like him alive. At this point, I think we should let him (and God) decide.

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  • buffalochip
    Posted on August 29, 2011 at 7:08pm

    What a terrible waste. This man and others like him have perverted their religion into hurting young women and boys to satisfy their sexual additions. He is not a Christian.

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  • Sigs4Israel
    Posted on August 29, 2011 at 7:05pm

    Let the idiot die! Instead we are spending tax payers money to keep his ass alive on life support…..im reminded every day how sad this country has become.

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    • arbky
      Posted on August 29, 2011 at 7:41pm

      Hey SIGS4ISRAEL: I’m with you! Long live CJUI and IFCJ! SigSAUER! SigSAUER! SigSAUER!

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  • Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
    Posted on August 29, 2011 at 7:03pm

    Let him die. Let him rot.

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  • sheria-never
    Posted on August 29, 2011 at 7:02pm

    F I N A L L Y ………… were getting some good news from the Blaze .

    this is the best thing since some Muslims bombed some other Muslims in a mosque !

    good news

    goodbye jeffie-poo………………….AINT nobody gives A FAT CRAP!

    wonder wonder wonder, will you have 72 ” six year old virgins” WAITING ?????/

    H o ho ho ho!

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    • brian8793
      Posted on August 29, 2011 at 7:20pm

      I hope a Muslim marries your daughter and they have little Muslim children, you dumb redneck…

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  • 4X4in
    Posted on August 29, 2011 at 6:56pm

    Oh my, I feel so bad for this man! pffff ummmmph hmmmmmmm!

    Nope just hadda FART,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Burn in hell!!!!!!!!!

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  • AmericanWarrior
    Posted on August 29, 2011 at 6:54pm

    So, this sicko is ging to show us & starve himself to death..??.. AKA “taking the Hell-Express”…. more power to him… All I have to say to him is, “Hell is gonna be Hot..!!.. & well deserved!

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  • saranda
    Posted on August 29, 2011 at 6:52pm

    He is happy to pass on, doesn’t the LDS church believe in polygamy in the afterlife? He is just moving on to his next set of wives in his mind.

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    • HKS
      Posted on August 29, 2011 at 7:08pm

      He is not LDS.

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    • saranda
      Posted on August 29, 2011 at 7:18pm

      He believes is more LDS than the LDS. I know he is RLDS but he believes he is truer to the teachings of Joseph Smith than LDS. Point is, does he not believe he will be able to have mulitple wives in the afterlife (on his planet or whatever the teaching is), and does the mainstream LDS not believe the same?

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    • javasport
      Posted on August 29, 2011 at 8:27pm

      You don’t know what you are talking about, SARANDA. Go wipe your mouth you drooling sub-moron

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    • saranda
      Posted on August 29, 2011 at 8:56pm

      Sorry Java, I misspoke. Jeffs is not RLDS he is FLDS another splitter group from mainstream LDS. And I believe they do believe that they hold truer to the early beliefs of the LDS as lived by Joseph Smith. My understanding is that the FLDS believe the 1890 Manifesto was not a real revelation and choose to live the Mormon life before that revelation. I am sure the divide between the two has broadened but I think what I described is the point at which the FLDS broke away. Sorry if I offended, but sometimes questions and queries come from a place of interest and don’t deserve to be answered with name calling.

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    • Darren
      Posted on August 29, 2011 at 11:16pm

      Saranda;

      Ignore Java. Remarks like his do not progress anything.

      The LDS Church does believe in marriage in the afterlife but a common misconception is that the LDS believe it must be done. My understanding of LDS doctrine is that the latter is not the case. Yes, marriage is necessary to progress in the Lord but polygamist marriage is not considered essential, nor necessary for spiritual progression.

      I agree that the FLDS do believe that they are truer followers of Joseph Smith but I emphatically disagree with them. Joseph Smith is the legal founder of only one curch and that is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints; not the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. I am glad that you aknowledge a difference between the two churches.

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  • KickinBack
    Posted on August 29, 2011 at 6:51pm

    At least he‘s saving taxpayers’ money by not eating.

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  • johnj1952
    Posted on August 29, 2011 at 6:49pm

    And the point of this story is?

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  • Casca1
    Posted on August 29, 2011 at 6:48pm

    Who?

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  • AzSage
    Posted on August 29, 2011 at 6:48pm

    This nut job is just as bad as the radical islamists. I say let the fool starve himself to death. Who cares. It saves Texans the cost of keeping the tard in prision.

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  • thomasmichael
    Posted on August 29, 2011 at 6:47pm

    He is guilty of murdering the souls of many children.

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  • NotPoliticallyCorrect
    Posted on August 29, 2011 at 6:47pm

    Hey Jeffs, this is the part where you ask me if I care. I don’t think those girls that have ruined lives will care much either.

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  • Tundra4x4
    Posted on August 29, 2011 at 6:44pm

    Why do we “save” these “tards”? Hell is awaitin’ his arrival!

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    • Vunks
      Posted on August 29, 2011 at 6:51pm

      He is a Christian God will welcome him with open arms. If he existed That is.

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    • brian8793
      Posted on August 29, 2011 at 7:21pm

      Not unless the sphagetti monster takes him first.

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    • shirelover
      Posted on August 29, 2011 at 8:01pm

      Vunks – this person’s life shows that he is no follower of Jesus Christ. There is a special place in hell reserved for those who harm children, and the fact that he “claimed” to be a spiritual leader means that the special place in hell is going to be worse. Jesus said that it would be better that a person not be born than to cause a child to fall.

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    • brian8793
      Posted on August 29, 2011 at 8:30pm

      Shirelover–finally something we can agree on…

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  • betsp
    Posted on August 29, 2011 at 6:38pm

    No loss here. Cowardly pervert.

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    • storhond
      Posted on August 29, 2011 at 6:51pm

      If he is ready to meet his maker, let him go. Why are we spending time and money trying to save this pervert?

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  • oldchevyguy
    Posted on August 29, 2011 at 6:37pm

    Warren. Keep up the good work!

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  • Sicboy
    Posted on August 29, 2011 at 6:35pm

    Sounds like he’s ready to meet his Lord. And it’s not Adam. Get ready to meet Jesus, cause you have some splaining to do.

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    • Darren
      Posted on August 29, 2011 at 11:19pm

      SIC;

      “And it’s not Adam”

      LOL. Despite the obvious cheapshot, I’ll simply agree. The Lord isn’t Adam. Never was as far as I know.

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  • ObserverMI
    Posted on August 29, 2011 at 6:34pm

    I couldn‘t care less if he’s sick or dieing. Hope he’s come to his senses and asked for forgiveness and is right with God. Other than that…. he’s a twisted, sick, egotistical, manipulating child rapist and I have no pity for the jerk.

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  • jmgair
    Posted on August 29, 2011 at 6:34pm

    He wants to die so let him go hungry.

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  • miles from nowhere
    Posted on August 29, 2011 at 6:32pm

    He is not worth saving!

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  • Dustyluv
    Posted on August 29, 2011 at 6:27pm

    And they will go out of their way to save his sorry a@@ too. Let him die…

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    • TXPilot
      Posted on August 29, 2011 at 6:33pm

      LOL….and I’m betting that he thinks that if he dies, he will rise from the dead in three days…….

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