Was Michele Bachmann Unfairly Maligned Over Her ‘Founding Fathers’ Comments?
- Posted on June 29, 2011 at 5:21pm by
Billy Hallowell
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Rep. Michele Bachmann’s “Founding Fathers dilemma” started back in January when she claimed that the nation’s first leaders had “worked tirelessly until slavery was no more in the United States.” In response, ABC News wrote the following:
Many of the founders, including George Washington and Thomas Jefferson, were, in fact, slave owners. And as every middle school history teacher will tell you, the founding fathers virtually ignored the issue of slavery. It was not until the mid 1800s that slavery became a contentious issue in American politics.
Interestingly, numerous sources cite some of the Founders, indeed, speaking out against slavery (as every middle school history teacher should be able to tell you). In a letter written to Robert Evans on June 8, 1819, John Adams wrote, ”Every measure of prudence, therefore, ought to be assumed for the eventual total extirpation of slavery from the United States … I have, throughout my whole life, held the practice of slavery in … abhorrence.”
Even George Washington, the nation’s first president, stood firmly planted against the institution of slavery. PBS has more:
In 1786, Washington wrote to two Americans expressing his desire to see the lawful end to slavery. In a letter to Robert Morris he wrote, “I hope it will not be conceived from these observations, that it is my wish to hold the unhappy people, who are the subject of this letter, in slavery. I can only say that there is not a man living who wishes more sincerely than I do, to see a plan adopted for the abolition of it; but there is only one proper and effectual mode by which it can be accomplished, and that is by Legislative authority…”
To John Francis Mercer he wrote that it was among his “…first wishes to see some plan adopted, by the legislature by which slavery in this country may be abolished by slow, sure, and imperceptible degrees.”
And these are only two examples. James Madison, Thomas Jefferson and others also made their views clear on the issue. So with this in mind, one wonders: Was Bachmann absolutely incorrect in her assertions? Many liberals would say “yes,” but reality paints a much more complicated picture. Yesterday, ABC’s George Stephanopoulos took the presidential candidate to task over her statement about the Founding Fathers. He said:
“…earlier this year you said that the Founding Fathers who wrote the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence worked tirelessly to end slavery. Now with respect Congresswoman, that’s just not true.”
Bachmann’s response is intriguing. She stands by her previous statement and claims that Founding Father John Quincy Adams worked throughout his life to free the slaves. Stephanopoulos, somewhat flabbergasted, flatly rejects the notion that Adams was a Founder. Bachmann’s complete response is condensed below:
“Well if you look at one of our Founding Fathers, John Quincy Adams, that’s absolutely true. He was a very young boy when he was with his father serving essentially as his father’s secretary. He tirelessly worked throughout his life to make sure that we did in fact one day eradicate slavery….Well, John Quincy Adams most certainly was a part of the Revolutionary War era. He was a young boy but he was actively involved.”
Here, Bachmann is very clear in describing who she is referring to. John Quincy Adams, being John Adams’ (a founding father) son, was indeed alive during the nation’s founding. In her statements, Bachmann did not confuse the historical characters, nor did she insinuate that the latter Adams was an adult at the time.
Her use of the words “Founding Fathers” is likely a more general reference to all of those individuals who were a part of the nation’s founding. Perhaps one could accuse her of exaggerating the boy’s role, but calling her “stupid, “insane” and “misinformed” is a bit of a stretch.
Throughout John Quincy Adams’ life he was a staunch opponent of slavery. His views, no doubt, were shaped in part by his father who, as is quoted above, hoped for the “total extirpation of slavery.”
You can watch the dialogue between Stephanopoulos and Bachmann below:
Business Insider‘s Henry Blodget also decided to explore whether Bachmann’s statements had some validity. He writes:
Based on this article in Encyclopedia Brittanica, it seems fair to say that some of the founding fathers opposed slavery, and that some of them worked to limit it on the state level. But as a group they certainly didn’t work tirelessly to end it…
The commitment to the status quo (legalized slavery) among the “southern founders” was particularly strong, and the “northern founders” didn’t challenge this. Slavery remained legal in the northern states, even though few people owned slaves. And only one of the slave-owning “southern founders” actually freed his slaves after the nation was founded.
So did Michele Bachmann completely revise history when she said the founders worked tirelessly to end slavery? No.
But was Michele Bachmann correct? No.
Blodget is right that the Founders did not “work tirelessly” to end slavery, but it is possible that the elder Adams’ views inspired his sons. As historical documentation shows, these leaders may not have put their words into action, but many of them did, indeed, have serious qualms about slavery.
In the end, historical evidence seems to corroborate a basis for what Bachmann was saying. Embellishing is one thing and being flat out wrong is another. In this instance, the congressman barely scratches the surface of the former and certainly is nowhere near the latter.
Below, watch Jimmy Kimmel’s “Michele Bachmann’s Story of America,” in which she is, once again (though it is admittedly comical), maligned:
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Comments (370)
barrycooper
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 6:22pmLook at the depth of historical detail which has resulted from what was an eminently defensible statement. She is facilitating the education of the American people, through leftist efforts to demonize her.
Now would someone care to tell me how many States there are in the United States? That discussion, presumably, will be much shorter. Only a complete and utter idiot would not know the answer.
Report Post »Blackiswhite Imperial Consigliere
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 7:06pmHold on. Let me get my inhilator before you call the corpse man.
Report Post »4wheels
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 7:30pmAhhhh – 51? Obama has not enlisted puerto rico to ensure he gets re-elected. So I guess if his poll numbers fall to 30% approval – then say holla to puerto rico!! But to be honest the current number of states is 50.
Report Post »GodsDotr
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 6:21pm2 Timothy: 1-7
Report Post »1This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7Ever alearning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
AmeriCat
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 6:18pmYes, Bachmann was unfairly maligned by the media….again!
She was absolutely correct in her statements
about the Founding Fathers and their attitudes toward slavery.
Beck is right…again…MSM has an agenda,
Report Post »they are one with the WH, Soros, Alinsky as they follow instructions,
throwing the ingredients into the pot,
not caring that they are creating a lethal potion to destroy Western Civilization.
saranda
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 7:29pmIf you keep saying Beck is right again it becomes a truth for you. Looks like you have said it enough.
Report Post »DBCrader
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 6:16pmIf slavery wasn‘t even addressed until the 1800’s, why did the founders put the “3/5ths clause” into the Constitution???
Clearly, it was done so the southern slave-owners (whom were primarily DEMOCRATS!!!) wouldn’t be ab;e to get an over-abundance of representation in the House *which is determined by population) and thus have a near-unbeatable voting block! That’s all the evidence that is needed to show, beyond any doubt, that the foundsrs addressed the issue BEFORE there even WAS a U.S.A.!!!
Report Post »JRook
Posted on July 1, 2011 at 11:02am@DBCrader Right that was the GB spin on things. The notion that the 3/5ths was related to their concern for slavery is interesting revisionist history. As you note it was related to who would control the Union. So at the time the North did not want to abolish slavery, because it would have tipped the scale towards the south via the population related representation in congress. It had much more to do with who would control the country in the early years, not a concern for slavery. Certainly, not because they felt the south would put slavery in the constitution. And the notion that Jefferson didn‘t want to have slaves but couldn’t run his plantation otherwise is akin to the folks who think getting rid of the minimum wage will help people. He simple could have taken the cost of upkeep for the slaves, divided by their numbers and given the money to them. What they would have left for another plantation to be slaves again.
Report Post »ICEDRAGONNITE
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 6:16pmHere we go again. MAKING MOUNTIANS OUT OF MOLE HILLS. People say i don’t like the PC cra*, but what is is they do at the first chance they get. PRACTICE DISECTING WORDS THAT HAVE NO MEANING IN THE REALITY BUT FOR SCORING POINTS LOOK I GOTYA. BFD. Move to something that has substance. like tax, jobs, liers and cheats in government, TREASON, SEDITION, HIGH CRIMES, RICA, MALFASANCE, BORDER PROBLEM, ILEGALS, FED, IMF, THE ATTACK ON THE SECOND AMENDMENT, ATTACKS ON THE RELIGIOUS OF THIS NATION, CURTAILING OF FREE SPEECH, 4TH AMENDMENT BREECHS, RESTRICTIONS ON TRAVEL, HEATH CARE, IF THIS is not enough to cover and fix, lets go after verbal gaffs of the politicians.GROW UP AMERICA. WE ALL SCREW UP DEAL WITH IT.
Report Post »Zazzle.comLegalizeLiberty
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 6:10pmThis is just the way the liberal media try‘s to discredit Michelle Bachmann’s run for president. She (like Ron Paul) are enemies of both the left and right. The media is ok with your cookie cutter republican because they will grow government, it’s just in a different direction than the left. That’s ok with the media…just as long as the government is still growing.
Even if it were true that the founders were all slave owners, and never tried to free any of them, does that discredit everything they stood for in regards to Freedom, Limited Government, Individual Responsibility…I think not.
This is a circular argument meant to only trip Bachmann up and get people to think she is crazy…just like they have done to Ron Paul. It’s a shame.
Report Post »Viet Vet
Posted on June 30, 2011 at 12:30amNo…I like Michelle, but Paul is a wingnut.
Report Post »crisco34
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 6:03pm@Encicom
Report Post »not really one to get into things with trolls but i imagine palin an bachman both know how many states there are at least. unlike our potus …
Blackiswhite Imperial Consigliere
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 5:53pmhttp://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/george-stephanopoulos-historically-illiterate_575904.html?nopager=1
I’m sure Georgie and ABC are going to get right on those apologies.
Report Post »Viet Vet
Posted on June 30, 2011 at 2:03amYou won’t see either a correction or an apology, that‘s why they’re called ‘drive by media’.
Report Post »In a Bunker
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 5:50pmLiberals have re-written history books, so why should one believe their arguments against Michelle’s facts? Most history books have down-played the founding fathers and while at the same time dismissing them as racists, drunks and prostitute hunters. I find it disgusting how little respect the most amazing men on earth are given – thanks to the liberals!
Report Post »Viet Vet
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 11:10pmYou pretty much nailed it.
Report Post »Radicalgirl
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 5:49pmThe behavior of the mainstream media here really exposes them for the “uneducated dunces in- eletist’s clothing” they really are. We cannot believe a word that comes out of their collective-lying mouthes and we must continue to expose them for the frauds that they are. I long for the day when their sinking ratings spell their demise.
Report Post »let us prey
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 5:58pmI think your right. Im not sure if their demise will be ratings. They will be funded and supported by the pretender in chief as long as people like him control our government.
Report Post »harumph
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 5:48pmYou hit most of the standard, libby bullet points. Let’s see, you trashed her intelligence, called her a racist, used a violent term and attributed it to her motives, expressed your disdain for her conservatism and flipped small businesses the bird. Nice work.
Report Post »TH30PH1LUS
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 5:46pmTHELONIUS & the Communist Left have only a few tricks in their bag. The favorite is to mock Faith, and call people “stupid”. They ignore the fact that Modern Science stands squarely on the shoulders of men who believed in God. Newton, Galileo, Pasteur, Capernicus, Georges Lemaître are just a few who come to mind.
There are MANY kinds of intelligence: scientific, mathematic, financial, relational, artistic, communicative, etc. The PROBLEM is that history is riddled with “INTELLIGENT” people who were also brutal, thieves, liars, cheats, mass murderers, etc.
Intelligence ALONE is not what makes a great President. It is only a part of a combination of greater characteristics: INTEGRITY, HONESTY, and an unshakeable allegiance to the CONSTITUTION come to mind.
Michelle is NOT unintelligent, and she poses a REAL threat to Obama. This is why the media is nearly breaking their legs rushing to their cameras/computers to shout her down as “stupid”. Their job of keeping Obama in office becomes easier if America just dismisses other possibilities.
Report Post »bellasbrat
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 6:29pmTh30ph1lus….Very well stated!!
Report Post »Viet Vet
Posted on June 30, 2011 at 1:27amI told my children when they were young that there are two kinds of intelligence. Raw intelligence and common sense, and if they were only blessed with one of them they had better hope it’s common sense.
Report Post »KarlMarx016
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 5:45pmHas anyone asked her how many states there are??
Report Post »Jaycen
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 5:53pmGood question. If she can’t come up with more than President Obama, she’s not worth her salt.
Report Post »PATTY HENRY
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 5:44pmLET’S see if TROLL ENCINOM can PROVE the PALIN and/or BACHMANN “failed” History in Highschool…. bring out the transcripts, troll …
Report Post »PATTY HENRY
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 5:42pmI personally think that Bachmann is not Presidential qualified UNLESS she is running against an even less qualified person: Obama. I also think that DEMS/LIBERALS with NO RECORD they can defend will try in every way to paint every CONSERVATIVE as a ‘nut case’. When asked any question that the candidate is NOT 100% sure of, their response should be: MY general impression of that time period was….. or MY General information about that is….. or “let me tell you my vision for America now”
Report Post »And not be caught in a quick-sand trap. Most people do NOT know their HISTORY, and most have been taught an “anti-American version” of our History and without a IRREFUTABLE SOURCE of the facts, all questions about “founding fathers” etc. are subjective. I would say that ” Since when are you more interested in what I believe Washington (George) said than what I would do about ….” (whatever the subject is).
Until GLENN came along, no one ever spoke of the “founding fathers”. Maybe more and more people will tune in to GBTV now (GlennBeck.com) and learn for themselves. Our American History is much more than the Civil War or the Wild West (which supposedly only lasted 20 years!!! – not the hundred I used to think it went on!!! WE have BASIC decisions as to our direction to make in this country: THEY ARE (then list them) and then state THIS IS what I want to see happen on this subject etc.
ALL the LITTLE Stepanopoli types are trying to do is trick Co
thelonious
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 5:40pmSTOP listening to Glenn Beck. He has a shallow comprehension of geopolitics, middle-eastern history, American philosophy, and most every scientific field. STOP being afraid and believing the crap definition of the 2nd amendment he supports. You don’t need a gun to protect yourself from anyone even the “government” which is you and every American you know in case you forgot. STOP being fooled by FOX News. Clean coal is not real and the Arab spring CANNOT consume the western world. STOP believing that Beck is telling the truth, or digging deep into unknown stories, or telling you stuff nobody knows about. STOP not laughing when he tells you incessantly to educate yourself. He is uneducated. He is overtly dramatic for viewership. He is antithetical to the ideologues that founded this country. STOP FUNDING HIS REALITY.
Report Post »PATTY HENRY
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 5:49pmYOU guys are so transparent!!! YOU gave yourself away the second sentence “ARAB SPRING can’t effect the USA”…right. We believe you DUDE… sure thing. GOOD TRY you liberal, anti-American, Muslim apologist. PS: IF you ever watched GLENN you would know that much of what he has said has been thoroughly researched and the book Authors were on his show…..but most of what he SAID were via the UNEDITED TAPES of you jerks trying to lull Americans into a sense of well being while you built mosques on every corner and took our money out of America…your own words called you COMMUNISTS, SOCIALISTS, MARXIST, MAOISTS… and spoke of ONE WORLD ORDER..word out of your own mouth. REFUTE THAT. OH, right…you can’t.
Report Post »Jaycen
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 5:49pmHey man, can you even tell me which “definition of the 2nd amendment” Glenn Beck supports?
It seems you’re the one with a shallow understanding of geopolitical events. Salafis are murdering Christians and burning their churches and homes in Egypt. The Muslim Brotherhood has already posted warnings in major Egyptian cities for women to cover their heads and men to keep their eyes off women.
Yeah, Arab Spring is a wondrous thing, is it not? They’re totally for the west over there. That’s probably why they were chanting Jew while raping that journalist during the original protests, right?
Maybe that’s why there are all these websites and confrences on Kalipha (the Global Caliphate), right? Because it CAN’T sweep the west?
Hey man, you’ve got a lock on reality. Keep posting, man. Keep livin’ in the real world.
Report Post »let us prey
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 5:55pm@theloniois
Report Post »Stop funding your fantasy. Lay off of the dope man. They dont call it dope for nothing.
CrazyJ
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 5:58pmwe don’t need guns to protect ourselves? come on man, what alternate reality are u subscribing to? at what point should we get rid of guns? how about the military? probably not right? how about FBI? maybe not. Border patrol against the drug cartels? nope. Local law enforcement? better not take their guns. are they everywhere at all times? nope, well I guess my safety is my problem, which is why i own a gun. break into my house, i dare u.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 6:05pmHere is a past post from THELONIOUS
Telling, isn’t it?
They just want to “EXPAND OUR MINDS”
How quaint.
thelonious
Report Post »Posted on May 25, 2011 at 7:09pm
I guess the country is reaching a pivotal point in it’s history. Progressives and liberals want to expand our minds our collective consciousness and our tolerance by challenging the norms so far accepted in society. Conservatives and Reactionaries want to pretend that homosexuality hasn’t existed as long as **** sapien sapiens have and exists in almost every specie in the animal kingdom, they want to pretend that we can return to 1950s culture if we just cut down the governmental tree grown to solve our communal problems. One is Liberation and one is Selective Oppression.
Average_Joseph
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 6:35pm@ thelonious
You have to stop with the large words; you are going to hurt yourself. Give your massive brain a rest!!!
Report Post »Boges
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 11:34pmone sad truth of this world is you have only those rights which you can physically demand and defend or persuade others to demand and defend for you.
Report Post »Viet Vet
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 11:55pmWe‘d be a pretty sorry bunch if a civil war started up and we didn’t have any guns.
Report Post »cloudsofwar
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 5:39pmthey (msm) will try to destory her. they will nitpick her every word. but i think they like Romney and Huntsman (losers). go bachmann, drive the progressives carzy. they don’t like you because your right.
Report Post »Jaycen
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 5:39pmExcuse me, but what do you think the 3/5 Clause was ABOUT, kids?!?!
That was part of the original Constitution, and it most certainly was a hot topic of debate between Northern Founders and Southern Founders at the Constitutional Convention. The 3/5 Clause was the Northern Founders attempt from OUR COUNTRY’S INCEPTION to eliminate slavery.
They knew the South had a larger population, especially if slaves were counted when deciding representation in the House. The 3/5 Clause didn’t say all black people were counted as 3/5, but only slaves, regardless of their color.
In this way, former or free slaves could be counted as a whole person, but slaves could not. This helped ensure greater representation for Northern states and less for Southern, Pro-Slavery states. In this way, they tried to put a mechanism into the Constitution from the beginning to eliminate slavery.
Report Post »Chris
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 6:21pmYou are correct Jaycen, if it weren’t for the 3/5th clause we might still have slavery today because the Southern Slave Owners would have had a constant majority in both houses of Congress and had an unbeatable advantage in the electoral college.
It’s also important to note that the Declaration of Independence was originally written to say “Life, Liberty, and Property“ not ”the Pursuit of Happiness”. They changed that because of slavery and the fact that Slave Owners claimed that slaves where property, and they’d have a Constitutional Right to have them.
Kind of funny that the Southern Slave states looked at slaves as Property when it came to the Declaration but as human beings in the Constitution, so they could use their numbers to gain a political advantage. Although the American Progressive movement began in the late 1800‘s early 1900’s, there was a trace of it all the way back then.
Report Post »saranda
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 7:20pmAnd yet even with the 3/5th clause, the founding fathers kept their own slaves. Actions always speak louder than words.
Report Post »Now how to defend Bachmann’s insistence that a 9 year old John Quincy Adams. was a founding father.
Falcon16
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 7:36pmSpot on, Jaycen. Important to remember that during the first Constitutional Convention, the effort to abolish slavery failed by 1-vote.
Report Post »Viet Vet
Posted on June 30, 2011 at 12:26amWell Saranda…not only was his father very involved in the cause of American Freedom, but his mother, Abigail was too. Read her letters sometime. She is a Founding Mother. So by 9, he was already steeped in Republicanism. Remember that the American Revolution lasted until 1783, so John Q. was 16 by its end. Further, he accompanied his father to europe at the start to find funding, arms, support, etc., so he was very involved. Now was he at the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia in 1787? No….but neither was Thomas Jefferson and Patrick Henry, and many other of our Founding Fathers.
Report Post »ArmyStandard88
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 5:38pmFunny how Liberals who don’t understand or respect history, like to mock those that do. They do this because it threatens them, and the way they live. They don’t live upon the principals that our Country was built on. It’s a shame to see older generations flaunt their ignorance on public mediums.
Report Post »Viet Vet
Posted on June 30, 2011 at 1:55amWell, to be perfectly fair, they have been taught this revisionist history and anti-Americanism for decades by marxist professors in the schools and colleges. Their defect seems to be the lack of a curious mind.
Report Post »StevenSeagal016
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 5:37pmDidnt she say our forebearers and not our founding fathers? Doesnt that make a difference??
Report Post »saranda
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 7:15pmYeah, unfortunately she said founding fathers. She was even given a chance to take it back but instead she fought hard to be correct and just looked stubbornly misinformed. Combined with the federal monies she has been receiving via the farm and clinic I think I am done with her. Just another uninformed hypocrite.
Report Post »Alucard
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 7:58pm@Saranda
Report Post »So by your standards no public official at any point can accept government funds in any way directly or indirectly? I hate to inform you but there is not a single politician in the House, Senate or WH that can claim that. Do you believe because she is asking for a smaller government that she can’t receive government funding?
CatB
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 8:29pmhttp://www.youtube.com/user/thor0001?blend=7&ob=5#p/a/u/0/HVMhz0tSllo
But this PERSON is perfect … Right???
Report Post »saranda
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 8:50pmYes that is exactly what I believe. If you can talk the talk, surely you can walk the walk. There is no obligation to take the federal funds, in fact there is paperwork and effort involved in filing to get it. If you truly believe what you are saying is truth, then live the words as well.
Report Post »This is why I have such a short attention span for phoney conservatives who preach cost cutting while taking advantage of every nickle available to them via the same government programs they claim to hate.
saranda
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 8:54pm@CATB – stop deflecting. This discussion is about Bachmann. There are plenty of chances to post about Obama’s errors, but this one is important because Bachmann has built her reputation on two things, a return to the founding fathers intentions and ending waste in government spending. She seems to be wrong factually on one and hypocritical on the other.
Report Post »Those are pretty big problems to just ignore and say but but but the other guy did this………
Patriots my ass.
Viet Vet
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 11:26pmIf Ms Bachmann is no longer paying federal income tax, then there might be an avenue for arguing against accepting federal funds, but in the absence of that, it becomes an insane argument. It’s the same thing with states. If the residents of a state are still paying federal income tax and other federal taxes, then notwithstanding their not voting for leftists, or agitating for lower taxes and a smaller federal government, they are still elegible for stimulus or other federal funds that commie states are receiving.
Report Post »Netsurfer2
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 5:36pmI admire this lady for the guts she has! I’m sure we have all seen enough of this economy! I cannot wait for the 2012 election. We need to clean house and get the corrupt out completely!
Report Post »encinom
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 5:33pmBachmann is another Tbagger, like Beck and Palin that failed high school histor, is being called out on it and is forced to back track.
Report Post »liberal_equals_liar
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 5:52pmYou are right, I bet Obama would pass “high school histor” in all 57 states. Maybe even 58 if he can find the time. Either way, it’s much better than a silly old T-****** who would ace high school history in only 50 states.
Nice try, idiot.
Report Post »CrazyJ
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 5:53pmoh please the mad media only highlight such gaffes because they make people like u feel smart… ur not. if someone highlighted all the things u said in a day that were wrong, how’d u stack up? not well. the media unfairly highlights these misstatements by conservatives and ignore those made by the liberals…its all part of the game and ur buying into it hook line and sinker. yea real smart.
Report Post »thelonious
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 6:20pmI agree with you Encinom. I know that Beck began his radio career at age 16 so it’s not farfetched to assume that he had little interest in History, a notoriously laborious subject to most high-schoolers. I was testing the waters on this article and it’s as I expected. Beck’s fans are incredibly loyal and unprepared to be skeptical of his grandiose assumptions. To be fair, I could never be convinced by their arguments about gun control, christian values, or Obama‘s unintelligence so I’m not surprised that my radical statements were immediately pissed upon. What I am frustrated about is that we can’t have heated arguments wherein I can call Bachmann names (for she’s in the public spotlight and inviting of the insults) without everybody resting on their ideological laurels. MARXISM, COMMUNISM, MUSLIM APOLOGIST, LEFT, LIBERAL = BAD… FREE-MARKET, SMALL GOVERNMENT, CHRISTIAN, RIGHT, CONSERVATIVE = GOOD. WOO! Clean house in 2012!
Report Post »Average_Joseph
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 6:33pm@ encinom
Where did you learn to type and and sentence structure? Public school, private school, self taught? Amazing, you are truly amazing!!! You should join up with “thelonious” and form a new Mensa organization. You both are truly underated and underappreciated.
Report Post »streetrodder
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 6:36pmEncinom or Monicne whoever you are tonite, did you fail histor. Dumb A$$
Report Post »Average_Joseph
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 6:38pm@ encinom
Your brilliance has me stuttering even in my prose.
Report Post »last frontier
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 6:49pmThere you go with your EBONICS again.
Report Post »Mandors
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 6:52pmThe only person who failed high school history is you, as you are shockingly ignorant of it. Your 3/5 argument else where on this post was laughable.
Your insistence on using the puerile term “tea ******” reveals the onanist that you truly are.
Report Post »survivorseed
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 6:57pmYet Blazers will always overlook how much welfare this pretender rakes in every year
Report Post »encinom
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 7:05pmMandors
Report Post »Posted on June 29, 2011 at 6:52pm
The only person who failed high school history is you, as you are shockingly ignorant of it. Your 3/5 argument else where on this post was laughable.
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No, it is the tbagger argument about the 3/5 clause that is a ham fisted attempt to white wash history. No one outside of the tbagger movement takes Bachmann/Becks argument seriously.
Falcon16
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 7:23pmTbagger, …..really? Why is it that you liberals all turn to cowards when an opposing point of view stares you in the face. You actually have to use degenrative terms to label people. People who associate with the “Tea Party” simply want a true constitutional, representative government; not a socialist hell, that you and many like you crave. Beck, Palin and Bachmann, all represent and espouse the good that this country can and should be.
If you want to offer an opposing view, jump in the water is warm. Otherwise, crawl back under your rock and stay out of the way!
Report Post »PatrioticAmericanDad
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 7:33pmENCINOM
Report Post »Oh, but our numbers are growing. You and the other bimbo on this post are underestimating your opposition. You should read more history. You are the rest of the left miss the significance of the 3/5 clause. I am surprised that you are not beeter prepared. We are coming to take our country back. Now run back to Media Matters and tell them.
His Lamb is Satanic
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 7:50pmencinom-er valley girl-you must be getting Soros pay to be the troll you are? Why don’t you go live in the valley of the dolls?
Report Post »His Lamb is Satanic
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 7:56pmTHELONIOUS- you are a communist pos. You bossman, Odumbo, is illiterate, as are his followers and commie trolls. Why don‘t you move to Cuba and enjoy communism at it’s finest intead of trying to bring down the finest and greatest country on Earth-like your mentor Geo Soros the traitor.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 8:25pmLOL >. ENCINOM >. same old same old response … really you need some new material here I will help you .. watch this …
http://www.youtube.com/user/thor0001?blend=7&ob=5#p/a/u/0/HVMhz0tSllo
TEA!
Report Post »GONESURFING
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 8:27pmWhat is with your obsession about deviant homosexuals.
Report Post »MightyMouth
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 8:57pmThis blog structure blows. You guys should get the same software as http://www.newsbusters.org.
Report Post »Shrugged
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:16pmEach of her facts is correct. Liberals re-wrote history so they have forgotten the truth.
Report Post »Viet Vet
Posted on June 30, 2011 at 12:00amLike most leftists ENCINOM, has poor english comprehension, he has the 3/5 rule turned around completely backwards. Do you suppose he had never heard of it, and did a quick search and poor read????
Report Post »encinom
Posted on June 30, 2011 at 12:01amMy God, Tbaggers have their own rewritten history to make sure their ignorant comments are correct. No, the Founders did not attempt to end slavery, the 3/5 clauses only prolonged slavery as it gave the South advantiage with its ratio of representatives to voters (or is Bachmann, Beck going to argue slaves voted). The Foundes were mortal men, not tbagging Gods. The Founders made mistakes.
I guess Bachmann should return the socialist aid her clinic recieved, I mena it recieved government assistance in the tune of 100s of thousands of dollars, how can she want a smaller government when she has her hand out.
Report Post »Viet Vet
Posted on June 30, 2011 at 12:06amMIghtymouth, it blows BIG TIME!!!
Report Post »RN MOM
Posted on June 30, 2011 at 12:06amencinom- How do your like your tea? Milk and sugar? I just wanna get it right for 2012.
Report Post »Viet Vet
Posted on June 30, 2011 at 12:12amencinom, when you’re digging yourself a hole, the best thing is to…stop digging.
The 3/5 rule necessarily extended slavery….with a Constitution. Without the 3/5 rule, slavery would have been extended without a Constitution. Where you’re completely backwards is with the representation thingey.
Report Post »flipper1073
Posted on June 30, 2011 at 9:49amMONIQUE
Report Post »Progressives have been rerighting History for the last 100 yrs
Read the Truth even if it’s hard to find. Glenn has made it much easier.
Viet Vet
Posted on June 30, 2011 at 12:33pmUp above encinom is still ‘digging’ away.
Report Post »Exrepublisheep
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 5:33pmIf you speak out against slavery and yet own slaves… Its not what the founders said, its what they DID.
Report Post »CrazyJ
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 5:51pmwashington freed his slaves and was a hero to many blacks after that. its not the facts its how u choose to ignore them.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 5:57pm@Exrepublisheep
If you speak out for civil rights, and yet kill the unborn………..
It’s not what democrats say, it’s what they do.
Report Post »Karl Marx
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 6:05pmDidnt they give us the best form of government ever created??
Report Post »survivorseed
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 6:39pmIts the same as speaking out against welfare but pocketing a cool $250000 in farm subsidies, another $160000 in medicaid payments all the while collecting about $175000 a year from a govt job. I’m sure Blazers can justify this welfare queen but if it was anyone else, can you imagine the vitriol spewing forth onto this thread
Report Post »Mil-Dot
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 6:45pmYou know what? The 13% of the population that are black (not African Americans because not a single one of them ever set foot in Africa and would be wiped out if they ever went there) do not matter. The country as a whole is more important than 13% of the population that has for the most part, with more than a few exceptions, been nothing other than a leach on the rest of society. Since when does 13% of the population outweigh the desires of the other 87%?. It does not, except in the minds of indoctrinated, lib prog freaks.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:06pmJust today .. Obama got his oldest daughter AGE WRONG .. his own daughter !!!.. he stated is 13 (she is 12)!
Report Post »wildbill_b
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 11:20pmWhy do people not know what “civil rights” are/were?
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/civil+rights
civil rights
Report Post »–plural noun ( often initial capital letters )
1.
rights to personal liberty established by the 13th and 14th Amendments to the U.S. Constitution and certain Congressional acts, esp. as applied to an individual or a minority group.
2.
the rights to full legal, social, and economic equality extended to blacks.
Viet Vet
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 11:30pmThere’s another fact that remains…if the blacks had been given their freedom, and I’m not arguing for slavery here, just stating a fact, many blacks would have starved to death, or died of disease from lack of nutrition and shelter.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on June 30, 2011 at 12:43am@Wildbill
Oxford Guide to the US Government:
Civil rights and civil liberties often mean the same thing. The words are frequently used interchangeably to signify the protection of rights to liberty and equality under the Constitution, such as freedom of speech, protection against “unreasonable searches and seizures,” and the right to due process of law. The term civil rights, however, is also used to refer to positive actions by the government to protect or extend the rights of people—to provide for individuals or groups opportunities that were previously denied to them. These kinds of civil rights guarantees usually are provided through statutes, such as the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which gives the federal government the power to prevent an employer from denying a job to someone because of the person’s race, gender, religion, or ethnic origin.
I would argue that by denying someone the right to live, you are denying them the opportunity to enjoy the benefits of a democratic society.
Report Post »nomercy63
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 5:33pmHello. If the founders had included freeing the slaves in the founding of our nation the southern states that were not populated enough and was mostly farmland would have not joined the USA, this would later be played out in the Civil War. So yes, Bachman was right so, my suggestion is to read a book!
Report Post »wordweaver
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 5:57pmYes. How the Founding Fathers grappled with the issue of slavery while creating the Declaration of Independence and later the Constitution was complicated. Many in the more populous and non-agricultural north were very vocal opponents of slavery. Men like John Adams. Founders from the southern plantation states depended on slaves to operate their farms and grow crops. It wasn’t an issue in those days of just freeing them all and paying them a wage. They would have gone out of business quickly and they knew it. That fact pained leaders like Washington and Jefferson. They would have liked to operate their plantations differently. It just wouldn’t have been possible. So, the issue of abolishing slavery loomed large in their consciences, but ultimately kept getting deferred decade after decade until the Civil War ultimately forced them to deal with it. Bottom line: I believe that many of the founding fathers would have liked to abolish slavery from the outset, but it became clear that they could not unite on the issue.
Report Post »paperpushermj
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 6:59pmYour right of course. But sadly to some on this board the truth gets in the way of the narrative they are trying to paint.
Report Post »Viet Vet
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:39pmWoodweaver, yes the south would have suffered economically, which would not have been a good thing at all for the new Nation. But the fact remains that many Founders did fight for the end of slavery, not just at the Constitutional Convention, but for years after. If you look at the history after the country got its start, during the 1840′s right up to the Civil War, it was THE hot topic. Look at the debates between Clay and Calhoun on the slavery issue.
Report Post »RN MOM
Posted on June 30, 2011 at 12:00amThe left doesn’t read history books, they rewrite them.
Report Post »jedi.kep
Posted on June 30, 2011 at 7:08amExactly. The brilliance of the founders is that they laid a very strong foundation for the FUTURE elimination of slavery. They knew they couldn’t eliminate it in their time, but a future generation could AND DID. Thank God for these men who had enough vision and faith to lay the groundwork needed for future generations to do the right thing.
Report Post »thelonious
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 5:31pmNo matter how you spin it Blaze, you can‘t paint over the fact that she’s dangerously unintelligent, delusional, and intolerant. Her aim is to rape the environment, and impose her Christian version of Shariah Law by turning America into one big theocratic strip mall.
Report Post »Revere1
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 5:33pmBachmann’s always going to be maligned by the media. They want to Palinize her. http://www.elephantwatcher.com/2011/06/michele-bachmann-denies-shes-flake.html
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 5:36pm@Thelonious
Wow, exaggerate much?
What is your aim?
Report Post »JRook
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 5:43pmNo because she was dead wrong. The phrase worked tirelessly does not mean they thought about it being bad and had to negotiate with the southerners to get the union started. Virtually all of them including Benjamin Franklin that GB referenced on his comedy radio show had slaves. He had 3. If these men were the most powerful men in the country at the time, then why would it take 100+ years later then to address the issue. Thought about it, concerned about it, maybe…. Worked tirelessly no way. M. Bachmann is one of those individuals who sees, hears and perceives the world based on a irrationally conservative religious filter. Unlike Palin who is a money driven fraud, it seems that M. Bachmann actually believes what she says regardless of how wrong it is.
Report Post »clotile14
Posted on July 1, 2011 at 9:36amHow many of the liberals today believe the gasoline engine pollutes the environment and should be abolished, yet they still drive around in cars and fly on airplanes? How many believe coal-fired and nuclear power plants should be banned yet they still use the electricity generated by them? They do it, but they don’t like it and they are working to change it. Slavery was the predominant economic system of the day. They participated in it out of purely economical necessity, but they didn’t like it and worked to change and end it.
Report Post »TCPatriot
Posted on July 1, 2011 at 11:33amIt‘s not that your wrong it’s just everything you know is!
Report Post »Jaycen
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 5:45pmName calling = Logical Argument
FAIL
So, the 3/5 Clause in the original Constitution was anti-slavery. It was the Northern states attempts to weed out Southern states power over time and ultimately eliminate slavery. You could only count a slave (notice they didn’t specify color) as 3/5 of a person when deciding on representation in the House.
Freed slaves could be counted as a whole human being. In this way, there was a built-in mechanism to encourage Southerners to free their slaves, and any free or escaped slaves could come to the North and bolster their representation in Congress.
This wasn’t an amendment, it was an original part of the Constitution. It was a hot topic for debate in the Continental Congress. It almost shut down the entire procedings. This is why the Founders were “hypocritical”. They knew digging in their heals on this topic would prevent unity and ratification.
Report Post »momprayn
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 5:47pmOh, look – more friends have joined Encinom, LACT, Rose-Ellen, etc.that prove that she (and those like her) will always be unfairly maligned by the left — thanks so much. Go Michelle, and Sarah – all Tea Party candidates !!!!!!!!!!!
Report Post »CrazyJ
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 5:48pmyea thats accurate, well if u are drunk maybe that’d pass as a coherent statement… enjoy the justice system in this country, it is based on Christian values and beliefs… where do u get urs?
Report Post »Eric_The_Red_State
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 5:49pmThe left would make fun of Jesus if he were dropped from the skies by the hand of God.
The way to diffuse pea-brains like that is to beat them to the punch and point it out first and laugh.
Be humble….
A humble man can never be humiliated.
Michele Bachmann was told to stop using the Tom Petty song American Girl – Michele said – “He just hasn’t been the same since he left Nascar”
Report Post »thelonious
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 5:55pmOh Ironman, yea a successful lawyer who went to the prestigious O.W. Coburn School of Law. Where 60 percent of its graduates flunk the bar and where W. pulled from to staff his justice department. Top notch.
Report Post »does this burka make me look fat?
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 5:59pmI‘ll take her so called lack of intelligence over Obama’s stupidity any day!! Now there‘s a freakin’ moron!!
Report Post »His foot is always so far up his a@@ he could kick himself in the face!! What‘s scarier then his stupidity are his lies and that he actually thinks we’re stupid enough to believe. The man can’t even wipe his own a@@ without a teleprompter.
MCGIRV
Posted on July 1, 2011 at 9:41pmRight on!
Report Post »drphil69
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 6:04pmLibs HATE conservative women. They threaten NOW’s supremacy to represent ALL women, and threaten the Dummycrats hold on the majority of women.
Report Post »Ironmaan
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 6:06pmTheloneous
Report Post »Rich has nothing to do with it. I simply want to live and die by my own means and I wish you and other libs would do the same. I owe you nothing and you owe me nothing. Just keep your pathetic hands out of my wallet.
http://guerillatics.com
KickinBack
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 6:08pmBingo Jaycen, spot on.
The founders believed that slavery would soon just “go away”. Until the invention of the cotton gin.
Report Post »Anton Phibes
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 6:10pmReally~Seriously? You obviously have no idea what Sharia Law is. Christians dont impose it, that’s a Muslim policy. It seems to me that the mere mention of someone having a Christian faith is enough to set liberal, red diaper, doper babies’ collective heads on fire. If she were a lesbian would her character come into question? If she were a Hindu~~ would her religion even be a factor? Tolerance for all but Christians is the liberal media’s marching song.
Report Post »IMPEACHBHO
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 6:12pm@THELONIOUS
…she’s dangerously unintelligent, delusional, and intolerant.
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You are confusing her with Obama.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 6:16pm@Jaycen
Another illogical comment. the 3/5 Clause permitted the South to have an increased number of members of Congress to block any action against the grand southern tradition of slavery. Additoinally, voting rights were determined by State law until the 1900′s. First only lad owners were permitted to vote, then only white males, even after the civil war Jim Crow laws prevent the vast majority of former slaves and african americans from voting, what makes you think that the South would have allowed freed slaves to jepordize its traditions.
Report Post »TreeTrimmerJim
Posted on July 1, 2011 at 9:18amIt was the federal government, in the early 1900s, when Democrats took the majority that repealed federal civil rights laws that made it possible for states to enact voter laws preventing blacks from voting.
Blacks voted Republican until the KKK started killing Republicans. FDR didn’t do anything about civil rights laws but got the black vote with special projects for blacks. Blacks have voted Democrat since. Obama used a similar scheme with his tax rebate for all who paid less than $1000 in federal income tax, which fits is about 50% of the households nationwide.
Its karma all over again… votes used to be bought with Whiskey in the first years of our nation.
Report Post »techengineer11
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 6:16pmGeorge and the Jews out to destroy another fine Christian woman and her family? Ole George we have a damn dumb ***** marxist in the White House and all you can think about is smearing Bachmann? You silly little Jew… Why do you hate us Christians so much?
You and your boys got a taste of power in the Clinton administration didn’t ya? Don’t want to give it up now do ya George? Just how many of your tribe were in the Clinton adminstration George? Including Hillary of course.. She told us she was a Methodist but then she tells Jews behind close doors she’s a Jew.. Interesting how that works..
I think you and your tribe are over reaching ole George.. You would think that you people would have learned your lesson.
Report Post »ZOMBIE JESUS LOVES ME
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 6:18pmSeriously, ERIC_THE_RED_STATE?
If Jesus showed up today, preaching the same message, the Right would crucify him … again!
Report Post »Whostolemypig
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 6:21pmTHELONIOUS, would you suggest a real intellectual, like one that knows all 57 states. Maybe a real economic expert, like one that raises the national debt 25% in 2 years. Or maybe a real go get’er that goes and gets his golf clubs or take a play-cation every time the chips are down.
Report Post »Patrick in AZ
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 6:24pm@Jaycen – you are wrong about one thing. They did not count slaves as 3/5 of a human being – they counted 3/5 of the TOTAL NUMBER of other persons (i.e. slaves). That is a VERY big difference. The whole 3/5s of a human being BS is a revision of history.
Report Post »Average_Joseph
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 6:27pm@ thelonious
That had to be the funniest thing ever written. Your way with the English language and how you can amplify such salient facts is truly amazing and literary genius. I actually burst out laughing at your comment. I’m sure that was the right reaction since no one in their right mind could ever believe those comments were anything more than written “tongue in cheek.” Bravo and cudos; keep up that brillliant satire!!!
Report Post »fastfacts
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 6:28pmWHAT ABOUT WHEN THE PRESIDENT CAN‘T EVEN GET HIS DAUGHTER’S AGE RIGHT: http://tiny.cc/4w4i0
She is now vindicated for everything she will ever say. I bet she can tell the age of her 23 foster kids and 5 biological kids.
Report Post »streetrodder
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 6:29pmThelonious, you are nuts!
Report Post »Thatsitivehadenough
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 6:32pmBachmann is awesome! She’s intelligent, educated, experienced, a patriot, and an all around good American.
Report Post »Mil-Dot
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 6:35pmMan, is that Thelonius a nut or what? If anything, she would prevent the mexicans, muslims, foreign enemies etc from coming over here in the first place and kick out anybody that should not be here. Let me be clear people. If you infiltrators and enemies do not leave on your own, we will seek you out and eliminate you where you stand. Do you get it now?
Report Post »HKS
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 6:36pmI was raised to handle a mistake that someone else had made two ways, Ignore it or correct them and move on, I was never taught to make fun of them and call them names or ridicule them for years like Lino and Letterman (wow their parents must have been real winners) . We are certainly raising some fine humble people these days, that doesn’t speak well for our parenting skills. This can only lead to hate and war. Your choice, people still have to live together. Liberals know conservatives are raised this way, that’s why they act as they do. They are acting on their research studies.
Report Post »survivorseed
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 6:41pmWho cares about her founding fathers comments. Blazers should be completely up in arms about the amount of taxpayer money this welfare queen pockets every year.
Report Post »USAMEDIC3008
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 6:47pmYou without sin may cast the first stone.
Report Post »What ?
Jesus not back yet.
I guess maybe you should put down that stone..
Mandors
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 6:48pmWell, let’s take your argument to the extreme.
Let’s say Michelle Bachman wants to:
Roll back most of Obama’s carbon based regulations of the clean air act and drill in ANWAR and the Gulf of Mexico
Yeah, I’m for that.
Censor pornography, extremely violent movies, and misogynistic rap songs
Yeah, I can live with that.
Make most abortion illegal except it extreme cases
It’s the 21st Century women can deal.
Mention God more in daily life and politics
Not seeing the down side.
Radically reduce the size of the Federal Government with the exception of the military.
I’m cool with that.
Basically not seeing a Bachman problem.
Report Post »This_Individual
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 6:48pmThelonius, can you proove this by quoting anything she has said or done? That’s quite an accusation.
Vote Libertarian.
Report Post »vennoye
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 6:48pmGosh guys, you forgot to tell me this is “Pearls before Swine Day”!! What fun!!
Report Post »paperpushermj
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 6:50pmGird your loins the Left and the MSM will nit pick any Republican all the way up to the election. If Mrs Bachmanns campaign takes off, all her 23 Foster Children and how they came to live in her home and what happened to them will suffer a proctological exam never seen before as a Special on 60 Minutes.
Report Post »GadsdenPatriot
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 6:51pmRun, Sarah, RUN!
Report Post »paperpushermj
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 6:54pm@ thelonious
Report Post »…………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….No matter how you spin it Blaze, you can‘t paint over the fact that she’s dangerously unintelligent, delusional, and intolerant. Her aim is to rape the environment, and impose her Christian version of Shariah Law by turning America into one big theocratic strip mall.
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WELL YOU BLEW A LOT OF SMOKE ARE WAY> ALL SMOKE NO FIRE
SLAPTHELEFT
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 6:56pm@thelonius chump
No matter how you paint it media matters obama is unintelligent, unprepared, and unable to preside over a free people. Progressives are idiots that derive all of their “wits” from progressive books and theory.
And thelonius chump, you know this deep in your heart but your ignorance and pride will not allow you to admit it because you would have to actually admit that you are a complete failure. If that little pain in your belly causes you to construct a delusional view of Mrs. Bachmann’s abilities then I guess we have found yet another brilliant, freedom loving American to derail your communist dreams.
BTW, did you sit in front of the computer for hours, waiting for a new story, hoping you could get a shot in on Mr. Becks site? You love Beck as much as we do I guess. He is living in your head rent free.
Report Post »sWampy
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 7:05pmShe nailed it, the civil war was completely unnecessary, the founding fathers made sure slavery couldn’t last. Lincoln should be known as a treasonous thug guilty of thousands of war crimes that made acts done by Saddam and his sons seem tame in comparison. Ordering southern pow’s to be wintered in tents with out winter clothing and food so 80% of them starved or froze to death parallels with anything Hitler did. Shipping in foreign criminals giving them guns sending them to the south to rape and pillage rivaled Mao.
Report Post »SLAPTHELEFT
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 7:10pmecinom, monica, monique- whatever your handle is today
If you know all of this how could you further a cause that will only enslave you and every other American in this country? It is in my heart to call you a dumba$$ but I will no longer waste any of my time commenting on your lunacy.
Please get back on your meds immediately.
Report Post »Sutter Buttes
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 7:16pmThelonius is typical of pseudo-educated ninnies who can only insult and tear-down but are incapable of intelligent discourse.
Report Post »Tony
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 7:20pmAll we have to do is expose the truth and Michele will be exonerated….but then the Progressives have spent the past 100 years rewriting history so it will take a while before the historically illiterate on the left catch on the lies they grew up believing.
Report Post »NHwinter
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 7:26pmOh my gosh, if only the media scrutinized Obama’s words like they do women and conservatives. If anyone has said incorrect and dumb statements its Obama. I’d love someone to hit Obama with the things he has said and see what the great one has to say to defend his stupidity.
Report Post »sWampy
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 7:26pmKickinBack
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 6:08pm
Bingo Jaycen, spot on.
The founders believed that slavery would soon just “go away”. Until the invention of the cotton gin
The cotton gin and steam power were then final 2 nails in slavery, after they were invented, there was nothing for the slaves to do in the winter, it wasn’t economically viable to feed/house them 365 days a year and only get 6 months worth of work from them. Over 1/3 had been freed when the Civil war was forced on us in a move that paralleled Obamacare passage in scope of deception. The rest would have been freed and made share croppers within 20 years at most. Unfortunately the steam engine also meant the south no longer needed the north’s fast moving rivers to spin/weave fabric/grind corn/wheat into flour, so the rich north progressive liberals that empowered their puppet Lincoln saw their pending loss of power and manufactured a way to come south and take all they could take and burn what they couldn’t. Lincoln was a true dog, had he not been shot, he planned to send the blacks back to Africa to be enslaved/slaughtered by the Muslims northern slave traders originally bought them from.
Obama is working doing this again, but this time with the red states vs the blue states.
Report Post »llotus
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 7:29pmThelonious,thelonious,thelonious………the christian version of sharia law, as you put it, is much better than the muslim version of sharia law. Lotus.
Report Post »ISRAELISOURFRIEND
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 7:36pmWhat I think is happening here is revealed in Revelations 6.
The first of the 7 seals are opening up right before our very eyes. I’m no scholar, but I’m not uneducated, I’m also not educated to the point of ignorance like most liberals, atheists and progressives or blinded by the narrow minded MSM.
I’ll leave it to the reader to do his own research Into the 7 seals, however it is with several resources that I use to conclude the “conquest” in the first seal is to strip the world of God, the Jesus God, the author of Heaven and Earth.
It won’t be a long period between the seals, so if you’re not ready to accept the first one, I would like to warn you that the 2nd seal will be really challenging for you spiritually.
With that said, Prophesy Revealed cannot be denied, though it can be ignored.
GOD BLESS ISRAEL
Report Post »WeDontNeedNoStinkingBadges
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 7:36pm“ABC News”
Oh, well, that explains it. A storm in a teacup. A side show of a side show.
Report Post »Joshua7
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 7:38pmThese people don’t understand what things were like back then. They were trying to build a country for heavens sake! When finally did abolish it, it took us though a Civil War. There is no telling where America would be today if they tried to abolish slavery right after or when the country was founded.
Slavery is a human problem not an American problem and Founding Fathers problem but a human problem. Anyone who has read Exodus know that.
Report Post »Homo_Erectus
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 7:39pmShe will not back off a proven misstatement. I like someone strong enough to do that.
For example, do you want someone to change their mind after sending our brave troops to die? No way, Stay The Course, Do NOT dishonor the sacrifices of our dead and wounded.
If facts are an issue, let Historians decide AFTER 50+ years, when it will be objective not political. .
Report Post »conservativewoman
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 7:41pmThe left hates anyone that is good person and serves the Lord. It is how you know that the left is evil.
Report Post »They will celebrate a woman who believes in killing babies in the womb, living on welfare, using drugs, etc., and then attack a woman who has taken in 23 foster children, has a successful business and career, and respects/loves her country. Amazing!
gtrdone
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 7:44pmI say not only are you dead wrong, you are very unrealistic and have low moral values to put such garbage out in public. If it is to hear that you are not too intellegent, it is from me. This would be comparable to Sharia Law, well if you haven’t figured it out, let me tell you, Sharia Law is here! It is alive and well in many states including Washington DC, it should really be what bothers you, not someone who is like Mrs. Bachman, she has a lawyers degree, she has been in Polics for many years trying to help. You have the audacity with no more than a high school diploma to critcize her and anything else your big mouth can get around. You are an embarracement to society with your juvenal statement.
Report Post »ramburner
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 7:45pmWhich is better for society, Man’s law under Shariah law, or God’s law under Christian principles? I think the answer is clear. Since God made all of us. If man chooses to continue to shake their fist in God’s face, God will allow the destruction of this country, just as He finally allowed the disbanding of the nation of Israel because of their sin. Let us become a nation of people ready to DO God’s will by worshiping Him and Doing to others as we would Do for ourselves. Not a covetous people always seeking another God – the TV, Boat, PC or other leisure games; or money or anything in place of Him! God is NOT a respecter of ANY people. He will Bless the humble and allow the proud to be dammed. It is our choice as a people, let us get our priorities straight and worship and love our Creator. We are the creature and He is the Creator.
Leave Bachmann alone. She is NOT perfect, but neither are ANY of us! Do we have a gaff-free president? no. How about the gaff-king, our vice-president? We even laugh at his stupidity at times. So, why do we attack ANY person who runs for office based upon sound principles of God? Since NONE of us are perfect, look at the message being transferred and not so much the examples being offered. In this case Bachmann was letting us know her character. What is wrong with that? Isn’t she allowed to have character? Are we still a free nation with free speech or are we already under the influence of Communist Marxism?
Report Post »His Lamb is Satanic
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 7:46pmTHELONIOUS-shut your pie hole. Have you ever contemplated suicude? It’s painless, you know.
Report Post »gbtv 4 free
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 7:47pmCash strapped as the US government? How about GBTV for free? Watch for details coming up soon.
Report Post »Lladnarg
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 7:53pmGod are you just as dumb as you accuse Bachmann of being – LOL – get a life and a brain
Report Post »american1st
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 8:03pmnothing brings out the leftie trolls at the blaze like an article about a conservative woman … it’s funny to watch…
ONE THING WE CAN BE SURE OF…the media will tirelessly misrepresent ever small flub or error she makes. and she will be a target as long as she is in race,
Report Post »personally i don’t think she is ready to be President, better than obama for sure, but there are far better candidates in the primary true constitutionalists with solid records…
thinkinghuman
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 8:22pmThelonious = Loser Patrol
Report Post »CatB
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 8:22pmLOL THELONIOUS >> I would put her “smarts” up against Obama’s any day .. MR. 57 states (with one more to visit) signing the Westminster book 2208 THIS YEAR (btw liberals it IS 2011 — 2012 next year!) etc.
For your EDUCATION THELONIOUS .. please watch the following
http://www.youtube.com/user/thor0001?blend=7&ob=5#p/a/u/0/HVMhz0tSllo
Report Post »JUSTANOTHEROPINION
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 8:22pmI would enjoy nothing more but to debate this unsubstantiated untrue statement you have made here, however, I have never met a Liberal that would listen to the truth without attempting to twist it into your own version of conjectures and out right lies to support your pathetic agenda. So I won’t waste my time. Your pathetic and your pathetic agenda is over in 2012. With that truth said, God bless you and may God keep you safe.
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 8:23pmAdditionally, she voted for the unconstitutional Patriot Act extension.
DISQUALIFIED!!!
Ron Paul or Death of America 2012
Report Post »CatB
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 8:28pm*2008
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Report Post »american1st
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 8:30pm“”V-MAN MACE
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 8:23pm
Additionally, she voted for the unconstitutional Patriot Act extension.
DISQUALIFIED!!!
Ron Paul or Death of America 2012″”
i agree DISQUALIFIED!!!
- no more lesser of two evils,
- no more best of a bad bunch,
– no more flawed establishment candidates running as outsiders or “tea party”
NO RINOS NO NEOCONS 2012
Report Post »Wayner
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 8:36pmLet’s see her debate Obama in all 57 states on American history and see who wins….. He sure doesn’t want to debate on that 3 letter word J..O…B…S
Report Post »chazman
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 8:47pmJust keep going, Michele. Ignore the State Controlled Media, just like Sarah Palin is doing, and the SCM will bury themselves.
Report Post »TunaBlue
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 8:50pm@JROOK
I am an advocate of reading the words of those who actually participated in the historical events under scrutiny, and, of course, the research conducted by any reliable, impartial historical researcher. Many tend to look at history through the lens of presentism, and harshly judge the founders, or believe that slavery was peculiar to the US and the period. I trust that you know better. However, I would take issue with the idea that the Founders didn’t understand the significance of slavery and their desire to mitigate their misdeeds.
I have read extensively on Franklin, and although I am aware that he had different servants during different periods of his life, and I know that he owned many properties and businesses, and some of those had slaves, I was not aware that he personally had slaves. Can you provide a verifiable source? I would like to research your assertion.
Additionally, Franklin became one of the first outspoken abolitionist of his time, as did other Founders. It didn’t “take 100+ years later then to address the issue.” The issue was a contentious issue before long before the Revolution, and certainly at the forefront of political debate to the run up of the Republican party, which was established specifically to end the slave holding practices of the Southern Democrat slave holders.
Report Post »paperpushermj
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 8:52pmWho on this board thinks Tech has a problem with Jews? 67 vote yes 2 vote No (Tech and Ellen)
Report Post »Who on this board thinks Tech needs to see someone about it. 68 vote Yes 1 votes No (Tech)
emcee
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 8:55pm“Embellishing is one thing and being flat out wrong is another”
No, embellishing is a type of wrong. If a statement doesn’t match the facts, it’s wrong. The statement that the Founding Fathers “worked tirelessly until slavery was no more in the United States.”, is wrong.
They clearly didn’t “work tirelessly” to end slavery. And they didn’t do anything “until slavery was no more in the United States”, because they were long dead by that time.
It’s one thing to occasionally confuse dates and names, but a statement like this is completely different. It shows a fundamental misunderstanding of American history. This romanticized view of our Founding Fathers as men ordained with unquestionable moral and ethical purity who created America in their unblemished image, is not only an inaccurate fairy tale, it doesn’t do justice to the true story of America.
America wasn’t born perfect. It was an imperfect union born into the sin of slavery. It was only the true tireless and courageous actions of countless men and women who fought against the systemic injustice around them, that ended slavery, Jim Crowe laws, segregation, and not only made it so women could vote, they can run for president. This spirit is why I’m proud of my country, and I always have hope for the future.
To say that the Founder Founder “worked tirelessly until slavery was no more in the United States.” is to completely discard the courage and sacrifices of those who actually did.
Report Post »Ruler4You
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 8:57pmIf you are expecting communists to be ‘fair’ you need to review your history. Ideology “IS” the only thing they care about. A ‘person’ is expendable. As a matter of fact, people are expendable to the communist ideology.
Maligning ANYONE not aligned with that ideology “IS” rule #1. WTFU!
Report Post »Shrugged
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:09pmYou know nothing. Nobody could be worse than your der fearless leader
Report Post »paperpushermj
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:11pm@SWAMPY.
Report Post »If I may contribute one fact to your very correct reading for the demise of Slavery, It would be the importation of cheap labor flooding into the country. Land owners soon learned the economics of just paying someone a wage and not having to provide shelter,food,clothing,medical and taking care of them when they are to old or to sick to work. It soon became clear that giving workers a few coins a day was cheaper and ales pain in the a*ss
the hawk
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:30pmI luv Bachmann but President Bachmann ? Senater, Governer, Vise pres, Great!
Report Post »She needs a CRasH CORSE ON THE FOUNDING FATHERS! Some real research people! And lose the chearleader/beatuity queen smile ! I F HER CAMPAIN SLOGAN IS GONNS BE ” one term president?
Needs to rethink that! But rather have her than Barry ! and I’M A $ doner ! what’s that tell ya?
But as chris mathews said ” what you see is what your gonns get ! unlike Rommey and the rest, I do think Santrum is a what you see is what you get also!, We need christy-west tickett to beat Obama! just my opinion ! I ‘D GO FOR meg whittman over Michele in a minute
whittman- west 2012 wins the presidentcey ! ! ! ! 1
Hugh Williams
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:30pmIs she dangerously unintelligent like Lord Obama who thought there are 57 states????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Report Post »jhaydeng
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:39pmThe only problem I have is that if she is posing as a Constitutionalist, she better have more knowledge of history. You can’t run on a platform and flub the simple stuff. I still like her though!
Report Post »IMAWAKENOW
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:57pmWhat the hell is a theocratic strip mall? Your problem and fear is that the conservative movement has started to wake up and move. As a group we are getting tired of seeing those who don’t produce anything demanding more from those that do. Yes!!! the minimum wage does create unimployment. If everything you buy or do costs more because the kid washing dishes and the snotty teen behind the counter make $10. an hour, you have less business coming to the shop. Not to mention the people that had worked themselves up to $10. an hour now find themselves at minimum wage and their cost of living has just increased.
Report Post »We need to get the government and unions out of price fixing and let the free market set the price of doing business.
aragona
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:04pmAnd still she is 100 times better than that dummy we currently have in office. I would vote for her in a minute. She can’t be any worse.
Report Post »ntxjetta
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:06pmYour comments make me think of President Obama not anyone else..
Report Post »Viet Vet
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:14pmActually she didn’t say ALL the Founders worked tirelessly. During the Constitutional Convention of 1787, the northern delegates did work tirelessly to include the slaves in the new free Republic. But Founders from the South were unremitting. Finally, the argument came to a compromise, the 3/5 comromise. Where with slaves it would take 50,000 slaves instead of 30,000 to qualify one representative in the House. This was the best the anti-slave delegates could get and still get a Constitution. They were also satisfied that this would eventually erradicate slavery, as the South would realize sooner or later they were losing power and taxes by not counting slaves as a whole vote. If not for this compromise we would not have had a Constitution or a country. Further, a viable, economically thriving south as well as a north were essential to the well-being and development of the new Nation.
Bachmann also caught hell from the left and their media a month or so ago when she said the American Revolution started in NH. It did of course, a month before Lexington Green and Concord Bridge, at Ft. William & Mary near Portsmouth. Then, colonists attacked the British held fort and captured it’s military contingent and all the cannon, powder and small arms. They also hauled down the British flag.
Ms Palin of course correctly identified the ride of Paul Revere and the battles of Lexington Green and Concord Bridge as being about gun control/gun confiscation. The problem i
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:16pmMichelle needs to think before she speaks. No the founders did not fight tirelessly to end slavery. Yes some founders wanted slavery ended but knew as said it would require the acting of the Legislature. Michelle continuously says ignorant stuff. It seems she is trying to hard to be founder like when she’s not. She voted for the Patriot Act which expanded Government. She is for Government marriage, expansion of Government. Say what you mean, mean what you say.
Ron Paul is the only option. Ron Paul 2012
@IsraelIsOurFriend
Your thought of the 7 seals being opened currently is incorrect. The 7 seals have already happened. We are experiencing the last woe and the 10 kings having their way.
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Report Post »5headspro.com
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:17pmand Obamster is intelligent?? And is there proof of what you say about her Christian belief system? Or are you just spewing hate and miscontent? The world wants to know. If you have fact, back it up, if you don’t, shut up.
Report Post »Viet Vet
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:19pmActually she didn’t say ALL the Founders worked tirelessly. During the Constitutional Convention of 1787, the northern delegates did work tirelessly to include the slaves in the new free Republic. But Founders from the South were unremitting. Finally, the argument came to a compromise, the 3/5 comromise. Where with slaves it would take 50,000 slaves instead of 30,000 to qualify one representative in the House. This was the best the anti-slave delegates could get and still get a Constitution. They were also satisfied that this would eventually erradicate slavery, as the South would realize sooner or later they were losing power and taxes by not counting slaves as a whole vote. If not for this compromise we would not have had a Constitution or a country. Further, a viable, economically thriving south as well as a north were essential to the well-being and development of the new Nation.
Bachmann also caught hell from the left and their media a month or so ago when she said the American Revolution started in NH. It did of course, a month before Lexington Green and Concord Bridge, at Ft. William & Mary near Portsmouth. Then, colonists attacked the British held fort and captured it’s military contingent and all the cannon, powder and small arms. They also hauled down the British flag.
Ms Palin of course correctly identified the ride of Paul Revere and the battles of Lexington Green and Concord Bridge as being about gun control/gun confiscation.
Report Post »UnreconstructedLibertarian
Posted on July 1, 2011 at 10:05amThe only flaw in your 3/5th interpretation is that at the time of the “compromise”, 11 of the new states – former colonies, were slave holders. At the time of the Constitutional signing, only 2 states were free, Massachusetts and Vermont. The issue of slave representation had application to all the northern states holding slaves just as it did the southern. Not to mention the importation of slaves was principally controlled by northern ports. These northern shipping interests delayed by Congressional acts the importation ban until the 1830′s.
Jefferson was prevented from berating slavery in the Declaration of Independence by the fact all 13 colonies held and sanctioned slavery at the time of its drafting. At the time of the founders, slavery was not a uniquely southern institution.
The only real punitive decision would have been to count them as zero. The anti-Federalists chewed this topic over much more in-depth than the Federalists. The southern states obviously did not see any threat to them by the 3/5th clause, as they adopted the same into their Constitution of 1861.
The lesson here is that the Founders were trying to form the free-est government ever known for its citizens. Had this model not suceeded, real freedom would have been out of the reach of any man – slave or not. You cannot bequeath something you never had, if you are not free – you cannot pass freedom on to another.
Report Post »MilesF
Posted on July 1, 2011 at 10:56amThere were many fewer slaves in the northern states than in the southern. That meant that the 3/5 clause benefited the southern states more than the northern.
By 1800, most of the northern states had either abolished or at least “sunsetted” slavery. (New Jersey sunsetted it so far out that there were still a couple of slaves in NJ on the eve of the Civil War, but the rest of the North–excepting border states–was slave-fee well before the CW.
The importation of slaves was abolished in 1808, not 1830. Laws restricting importation had been passed in stages since 1794. The 1807 act made slave trade equivalent to piracy.
Report Post »jzs
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:23pmemcee and jrook thanks for posting, and I appreciate the other thoughtful comments as well. I agree that the idea that our country was born pristine and perfect is an illusion. The Founding Fathers, many of whom had slaves, were not perfect and all their words were colored by the times they lived in.
The history of the human race is replete with atrocities that, at the time, were considered not only moral, but the way to Heaven. I try to never judge people outside the morality of the times the lived in, but I give exceptional credit to those who had the forsight to rise above their times, as several of the Founding Fathers did on the issue of slavery. There were Greek philosophers to felt women should have a status equal to men, something that didn’t happen for two thousands years, if it has even now.
But no, Bachmann, the Founding Fathers didn’t “work tirelessly” to end slavery. We can be proud of our country without “controlling the past” as Aldous Huxley did in “1984.”
Report Post »Alvin691
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:24pmHyperbole–noun Rhetoric .
Report Post »1. obvious and intentional exaggeration.
2. an extravagant statement or figure of speech not intended to be taken literally, as “to wait an eternity.”
Viet Vet
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:26pmThe problem is that way too many middle school teachers are leftists who hate American history, and are continually trying to revise it to fit their warped world view. They teach pap, or propaganda and students come out being dumbed down. They don’t do any better job of teaching math, science and english. But the teachers have really sabatoged the historical knowledge of the citizens over the years. Not entirely their fault as leftists in higher controlling positions have selectedd the History books that are to be used, and the teachers having come up through the system, and being victim to their marxist professors in college, are none the smarter regarding their revisionist teaching.
Report Post »what would reagan do
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:28pmThe dumbest thing Michele Bachmann or Sarah Palin ever said is ten times smarter then anything Obama ever said
Report Post »wildbill_b
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:56pm@Hugh Williams
“Is she dangerously unintelligent like Lord Obama who thought there are 57 states????????????????????????????????????????????????????????”
Actually that was a Freudian slip. There is 57 states. HE knows its, but they stopped teaching it in school some decades back apparently.
50 states of the Union called America and the “United States” comprised of D.C., Guam, Puerto Rico, American Samoa, Virgin Islands, Palau, Micronesia making a total of 57 states, and as you should know Obama was just in Puerto Rico.
Look at the Statute of whatever state you are in and you will find something similar to :(23) “State”, applied to any one of the United States, includes the District of Columbia and the commonwealths, possessions, states in free association with the United States, and the territories. “United States” includes the District of Columbia and the commonwealths, possessions, states in free association with the United States, and the territories.
Arizona’s is 2-215 etc. The “United States” is a foreign nation and they are NOT part of the Union, but they are part of the Country known as the “US”.
Peace
Report Post »In a Bunker
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:57pmDid you not notice all the talking heads in the media were quoting “Politifact” (as they said, the Pulitzer prize winning web site. Unfortunately they do not report that Politifact has called out Obama for making false statement 49 times and barely true statements 39 times.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 11:11pm@JZS
ahem……
Report Post »Viet Vet
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 11:14pmLOL @ Wildbill. I hope you’re being facetious. Actually he was talking about the 57 states of Islam.
Report Post »Boges
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 11:24pmin so much as you clearly gage ones intelect based on the degree to which they agree with you. I mean why let little things like facts get in the way of a good argument.
Report Post »stifroc
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 11:26pmIt doesn’t matter who runs for the republican nomination… if that person has any inclination towards conservatism they are labeled as stupid, religious zealot, hateful, bigoted and racist.
We’re all wise to this. So why you trolls keep using the same lines over and over I’ll never know. Can you come up with something new?
Also, it amazes me how liberals HATE the founding fathers, and view the founding fathers as irrelevant, EXCEPT for when they twist a conservatives words or context and use the founding fathers as a beat stick. I mean are you even conscious of your hypocrisy and predictability?
Report Post »mils
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 11:48pmgo home liberal thelonious.
Shes a hell of a lot smarter than what we have in office today.
Report Post »I dont care if she said the world is round, liberals would say WRONG and spout their rhetoric.
banjarmon
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 11:52pmOne day soon you lefties will be saying MADAM PRESIDENT to Michele
Report Post »101
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 11:53pm.
Report Post »I wish from my soul that the legislature of this State could see a policy of a gradual Abolition of Slavery.
George Washington, letter to Lawrence Lewis, August 4, 1797
sambachico
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 11:57pmBachmann is starting to make Palin look good.. At least Palin wasn’t a damned IRS tax attorney representing the state. I won‘t be supporting another big government neocon who voted for Pelosi’s 2008 bailout and supported the patriot act renewal. How can the term constitutional and conservative even be used to describe Bachmann in a single sentence? She makes Ron Paul look good. Paul/Palin 2012 ?
Report Post »RN MOM
Posted on June 29, 2011 at 11:58pmTehloneous-Why don’t you hate on the unintelligent meat puppet AKA our present POTUS? He gets our history wrong all the time, the number of states in our union, corpsmen, the age of his daughter. As a matter of fact, most of you libs get it wrong. Try not to get so far ahead of yourself, remember it was the turds on your side of the aisle that consistently worked tirelessly to deny slaves freedom, and held down the civil rights movement. You and your ilk thrived off of the beaten backs of our blacks, now you wanna rewrite history and try to claim it as a dem virtue? Puleeze!
Report Post »Viet Vet
Posted on June 30, 2011 at 12:37amRN MOM, that OBOZO, can’t even keep cities straight. During the campaign, he kept getting the city he was presently giving a speech in, wrong, and also the city he had been in previously, wrong. You’d think he was a …Kenyan.. or something. He certainly appeared as a foreigner. He has our Republican Form of free enterprise system mixed up with the communist and marxist system of confiscation and redistribution, e.g., punish success by taxing it and reward mediocrity by subsidizing it.
Report Post »Viet Vet
Posted on June 30, 2011 at 1:41amOld Tech has blown a gasket, call the nuthouse.
Report Post »YankeeBlue
Posted on June 30, 2011 at 1:58amWow. Your post seems dangerously unintelligent, delusional, and intolerant.
Report Post »PATTY HENRY
Posted on June 30, 2011 at 5:10amGOOD GRIEF…here come the trolls. I admit that BACHMANN is NO SARAH PALIN…not even close but she’s very much better than OBAMA on his best day. But don’t worry little trollies… it’s going to be PALIN/WEST who will clean your clock..move that MARXIST MUSLIM TROJAN HORSE out of the WHITE HOUSE and his SPEND THRIFT wife…. they will be history. I see that you’ve added some more IP #’s in your direct calling office… you can use all the names you want but your syntax gives you away…ooops… go look it up. SOROS, you are pathetic.
Report Post »old white guy
Posted on June 30, 2011 at 6:57amthelonis would like to make being a conservative against the law. get your head bud liberal socialists are going down. and yes i did spell your handle wrong on purpose.
Report Post »TexasStu
Posted on June 30, 2011 at 8:32amIf you read history you will find that slavery was started in America by a BLACK MAN who was a lawyer. He had two men working for him that were indentured servants, meaning they owed him a lot of money and were working it off as a slave. The two escaped and the Black man lawyer took them to court for failing to uphold their bargain to work off their debt. Of the two men one owed more than the other he was BLACK and the courts said that because he owed so much he would virtually become owned by the Black Lawyer and thus slavery was born. But go ahead and blame all the Founding Fathers if you must because if you stand in the flame of truth you will not be burned.
Report Post »OH, I Get It!
Posted on June 30, 2011 at 9:22amSo, what flavor Kool-Aid do you drink?
Report Post »encinom
Posted on June 30, 2011 at 9:32amViet Vet
Posted on June 30, 2011 at 12:12am
encinom, when you’re digging yourself a hole, the best thing is to…stop digging.
The 3/5 rule necessarily extended slavery….with a Constitution.
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So your argument is that the Founders, in order to end Slavery, gave it Constitutional protection and extended it. That clears up tbagging thing for me.
As for the rest of teh tbaggers, Tea Partys are for little girls and Mad Hatters, not adults, I drink coffee.
Report Post »Miguelito
Posted on June 30, 2011 at 9:56amHey THE, we know who you are and it’s not good. God loves you and I do too! I pray that your eyes and mind will be opened to different ideas. God bless.
Report Post »hcartexas
Posted on June 30, 2011 at 11:07amHey vegetable….OBAMA doesnt even know the age of his offspring….WTF??? Your measure for intelligence is obviously different from mine…. ohh yeah…57 states in America… we should all inflate our tires to save gas… on and on…..VEGETABLE!!
Report Post »Viet Vet
Posted on June 30, 2011 at 12:07pmWell now encinom I‘m not sure if it’s comphrehension or reading skills you lack, maybe you’re just plain stupid. Your posts come off as adolescent, so you may be just a kid. Have your parents read my post and explain it to you.
Report Post »jkendal
Posted on June 30, 2011 at 1:53pmMichele Bachmann is unfairly maligned by the partisan press on an almost hourly basis – over trivial stuff – and it‘s done on purpose to distract from what’s important – that captain zero and the democRATS are screwing everything up and the only way to reverse it is to get rid of them and elect someone like her!! They certainly don‘t dare concentrate on what zero’s been doing because they don‘t want to remind everyone what a miserable failure he’s been – so they go after ALL of the Republicans who stand a chance at beating him in 2012.
Report Post »riverdog1
Posted on June 30, 2011 at 3:26pmwell put, she is WAY out of her league. she should go back to the tv opinion circut or maybe congress would be a nice place for her to go to, if she can find it. she hasn;’t really done anything there.
Report Post »qpwillie
Posted on June 30, 2011 at 6:59pmWow, thelonious!!!
Report Post »They sure have you brainwashed, don’t they? You‘d better be careful or you’ll have a big “MSNBC” glowing on your forehead ….if you don’t already.
munzy
Posted on July 1, 2011 at 11:47amI wich there were a bounty on hateful, ignorant ******** like yourself.
Report Post »MCGIRV
Posted on July 1, 2011 at 9:38pmOh come on! Really!
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