Was Rick Santorum Really Wrong to Claim That College Makes Young People Less Religious?
- Posted on February 27, 2012 at 11:45am by
Billy Hallowell
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Republican presidential contender Rick Santorum found himself in the headlines numerous times over the weekend. On Saturday, he called President Barack Obama a snob for wanting every American to go to college. Then, on Sunday, he inspired debate about faith and religion in America when he said that the separation of church and state shouldn’t be “absolute” and that higher education leads individuals to become less religious.
(Related: Santorum: Separation of Church and State Not ‘Absolute’)
“President Obama said he wants everybody in America to go to college. What a snob!” Santorum said during a campaign stop in Michigan. “There are good, decent men and women who go out and work hard every day and put their skills to the test that aren’t taught by some liberal college professor trying to indoctrinate them.”

While these comments were questioned by individuals who saw the candidate’s words as an attempt to devalue education, Santorum wasn’t done sharing his opinions about higher education. On ABC’s “This Week,” on Sunday, he commented about college and its negative impact on young people who count themselves among the religious.
Santorum told ABC’s George Stephanopoulos, “62 percent of kids who enter college with some sort of faith commitment leave without it.” Here’s the full dialogue, for context:
STEPHANOPOULOS: All [Obama] said was he wants, quote, “every American to commit to at least one year or more of higher education or career training.” In your interview with Glenn Beck this week, you seemed to go further. You said I understand why Barack Obama wants to send every kid to college, because they are indoctrination mills. What did that mean?
SANTORUM: Well, of course. I mean, you look at the colleges and universities, George. This is not – this is not something that’s new for most Americans, is how liberal our colleges and universities are and how many children in fact are – look, I’ve gone through it. I went through it at Penn State. You talk to most kids who go to college who are conservatives, and you are singled out, you are ridiculed, you are – I can tell you personally, I know that, you know, we – I went through a process where I was docked for my conservative views. This is sort of a regular routine (ph). You know the statistic that at least I was familiar with from a few years ago — I don’t know if it still holds true but I suspect it may even be worse – that 62 percent of kids who enter college with some sort of faith commitment leave without it.
Watch the exchange (occurs around 11:30):
While Santorum did say he’s not sure if his statistic about 62 percent of young people attending college still holds true, TPM notes that studies have consistently found his assertion to be incorrect:
A study published 2007 in the journal Social Forces — which PBS reports that Santorum’s claim is based on, although his spokesman didn’t respond to TPM’s request for confirmation — finds that Americans who don’t go to college experience a steeper decline in their religiosity than those who do.
“Contrary to our own and others’ expectations, however, young adults who never enrolled in college are presently the least religious young Americans,” the journal concluded, noting that “64 percent of those currently enrolled in a traditional four-year institution have curbed their attendance habits. Yet, 76 percent of those who never enrolled in college report a decline in religious service attendance.”
Another study, as TPM notes, published in The Review of Religious Research (RRR) in 2011, found that, though the results can be complicated, “Analysis results suggest that increases in education lead Americans to take advantage of the voluntary nature of American religion.”

But, again, the results are complex and multi-layered. And after examining them, Santorum’s fears about liberalization may not be unfounded. The Blaze covered this RRR study when it emerged. As we reported, the examination also found that more educated you are, the more liberal you‘re going to be when it comes to thoughts about who’s going to heaven (and who’s not). Here’s more:
Rather than simply not having any religious views as a result of increased education, USA Today’s Cathy Lynn Grossman writes that Schwadel has found that, “Each year of education ups the odds by 15% that people will say there‘s ’truth in more than one religion.’” What does this mean, you ask?
It seems that as people become more educated, their views on religion — at least some aspects of it — liberalize. In addressing these important issues, Schwadel looked at 1,800 American adults’ religious beliefs and education. The results are intriguing.
At the time we published the last story about this issue, we shared some statistics that Grossman penned on the matter. For each year of education above and beyond the seventh grade, Americans are:
•15% more likely to have attended religious services in the past week.
•14% more likely to say they believe in a “higher power” than in a personal God.
•13% more likely to switch to a mainline Protestant denomination that is “less strict, less likely to impose rules of behavior on your daily life” than their childhood religion.
•13% less likely to say the Bible is the “actual word of God.” The educated, like most folks in general, tend to say the Bible is the “inspired word” of God, Schwadel says.
So, clearly this is a mixed bag. While peoples’ views do liberalize on some issues, there is also increased religious attendance — but can we be sure that increased church attendance is equitable to increased religiosity? Not entirely, of course, as this is subjective and depends on varied definitions of the latter.
Other studies and polls do cause additional questions to arise. In June 2011, Gallup found that 92 percent of Americans still believe in God — a proportion that hasn’t changed radically since the 1940s. However, among youths, liberals, those living in the nation’s eastern region and those with a postgraduate education, the proportion drops below 90 percent.
In the end, further exploration is needed to extrapolate the political and religious elements at hand. While Santorum may have left out some context surrounding the statistic, it is a slippery slope to assume that church attendance is the sole indicator through which increases and decreases in the fervency of faith should be measured. But it’s also dangerous to assume that college automatically leads individuals to lose their faith.



















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Comments (193)
SpankDaMonkey
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 12:52pm.
Report Post »Rick get your facts straight, It starts in Kindergarten and never Stop’s………….
Vechorik
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 12:55pm“I think Sen. Rick Santorum would make a great community organizer. Unfortunately, we are trying to remove, not re-elect, a community organizer in the White House.”
How Santorum Fails Constitution 101 (Townhall.com)
http://townhall.com/columnists/katiekieffer/2012/02/27/how_santorum_fails_constitution_101/page/full/
Report Post »Vechorik
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 12:56pmHe’s as crooked as his nose.
Report Post »Ray2447
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 1:21pmIt all depends on what you call “religion” so Rick is certainly on the right track. “Marxism is the opiate (belief system) of many leftist ideologues, yet the father of leftist ideologies (Karl Marx) had the hypocrisy to declare that religion was the opiate of the masses. Thugish college professor’s religiously spew their “Godless,” Marxist/humanist belief system at students, telling them that we humans are gods unto ourselves with the power to solve all our problems and that faith in a higher being is “unenlightened.” Colleges and universities are nothing more than indoctrination camps, brainwashing students into the Godless Marxist belief system as shown in “Marxist Valley College” at Youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iVmh0VCkL4
Report Post »Bible Quotin' Science Fearin' Conservative American
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 1:35pmRick Santorum hates education, thinks women belong in the kitchen, hates sex and talks conservative and votes liberal.
Good luck running with this guy. If you don‘t think he’s a bigger gaffe machine than Biden then you have your head up your bottom and santorum all in your eyes.
Report Post »I support God's Israel!
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 3:13pmThen, I say to you Rick Santorum and anyone else that THEY WERE NEVER TRUE FOLLOWERS OF CHRIST to begin with.
Report Post »MARKMYWORD
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 3:40pmLol love your comment.
Report Post »mermaid7
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 5:09pmRick is absolutely correct! The leftists in these colleges and universities are taught by people who are hostile to God.
Why is this so surprising?
HKS
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 5:31pmI think a progressive socialist incubation system would have been more accurate. And spankdamonkey would be correct, it starts in kindergarten.
Report Post »jeanr
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 6:33pmGood point about Kindergarten. I think we should abolish all forms of education and that will leave more time for going to church. No need for all that liberal reading and learnin’. The church leaders can just tell us what we need to know.
Report Post »jzs
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 8:38pmWell, blame liberals if you want. But it could be that simply getting a good education has that effect.
Report Post »Chet Hempstead
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 8:48pmThat’s right, it starts in kindergarten because that’s the first time your kids meet anyone who doesn’t believe what you tell them to. And it doesn’t matter that much if they get exposed to other ideas by the teachers or just the other kids. Heck, it probably doesn’t even matter if they go to college or not. Most people who go to church because they are children and can be forced to will stop as soon as they’re adults and are free to choose for themselves.
Report Post »samuelwcordrey
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 1:24amBible_Quotin
Report Post »Where do you come off saying he hates sex? None of his kids are adopted.
Bible Quotin' Science Fearin' Conservative American
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 1:14pmhow many kids does he have? that exactly how many times he has had sex with his wife.
he’s in the closet big time.
Report Post »wvernon1981
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 3:15pmYeah. It starts at Kindergarten and never stops. It’s called an education.
Report Post »Gypsyearl
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 10:54pmRick Santorum is Bozo the white bread clown who want to mix church and state! That is scary!
Report Post »MS-GlenNBC
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 12:47pmWell folks….. Get ready for…..
1. Government Healthcare
2. The continuation of the Progressive Income tax…
We get both with Romney or Obama…..
~K e e p ~ y o u r ~ h a n d s ~ o f f ~ m y ~ Romney/Obama ~ C a r e ~
~ I ~ t h i n k ~ t h e ~ r i c h ~ s h o u l d ~ p a y ~ a ~ l i t t l e ~ m o r e~ Barack Willard ORomney
Report Post »hi
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 12:54pmI don’t like Romney but he says he will repeal Obamacare. So, we have to take a chance and vote for him if it is between Obama and Romney. Obama is not going to repeal Obamacare. Obama will continue to trash the USA.
Report Post »The_Almighty_Creestof
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 3:46pmAfter passing SB1083…I’d vote for Jan Brewer over any of them : )
BTW, I see there is no news here about GB’s Goldline buddies losing their lawsuit and being ordered to pay 4.5 million, change their sales techniques and have an independent lawyer overseeing their activities from now on.
In truth, they did their job. They may have “pushed” a little too hard to get their customers to buy older gold coins at prices higher than the worth of the gold content (rather than buy bullion), but history has already shown that old coins with intrinsic worth should be exempt from any government confiscation…but you never know.
Report Post »TeaPartyForRomney
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 3:58pmMS-GLENN is just mad because he wanted GingrichCare, a federal mandate like ObamaCare. Remember that Gingrich was fighting for it while we were fighting against ObamaCare on the Capital steps.
MSGLENN like GINGRICH wanted a federal mandate.
Report Post »MSGLENN like GINGRICH don’t believe in states rights.
rfycom
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 12:43pmYes he is wrong. Common sense make you less religious.
Report Post »Ray2447
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 1:34pm“Common sense make you less religious.”
Common sense tells me, that certainly qualifies for oxymoron of the day. :-/
Report Post »Atilla
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 2:38pmHmmmm, “Common sense makes you less religious.” I’ll bet Ben Franklin and most of the rest of the founding fathers who were responsible for creating the “machine” that was responsible for more advances in 250 years than the previous 5,000 might want to refute that moronic conclusion. Not to mention the black community and the black genetleman who was with George Washington as he crossed the Delaware. Stupid is permanent, ignorance is teachable.
Report Post »Copo
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 3:55pmCommon sense tells me that nothing doesn‘t become something inside a geometric space which doesn’t exist for no reason whatsoever. It also tells me that a 1000 page book that is 40% prophecy is true if it has fulfilled 90% of it’s prophecy, with the other 10% further ahead on the prophecy timeline, especially if it gives you the symbols strait forward and explicitly tells you how to read it, leaving nothing to personal interpretation. I‘m also inclined to believe it’s true if it was written before it made claims considered senile at the time (such as there being an innumerable amount of stars each of which is unique, people believed that there were about 10,000 stars all the same until modern astronomy).
Report Post »majasdad
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 6:52pmFinally a comment that I can agree on.
Report Post »bernbart
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 12:37pmI suspect those who believe college professors are liberal atheists who favor socialism have NEVER been to college.
Report Post »Mandors
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 12:47pmNo, those who do not accept that college faculties are predominately liberal socialists are either disingenuous or ignorant. Disingenuousness is one of prime tools of the liberal professor who with his ilk have intentionally infiltrated colleges and universities for years to promote their “critical” read: Marxist agendas.
Report Post »hi
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 12:48pmDo you favor socialism and have you been to college?
Report Post »MammalOne
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 12:57pmobviously not
Report Post »academica2020
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 1:14pm@BERNBART:
Report Post »As usual you have no idea what you are talking about and, most likely, are part of the problem.
Ray2447
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 1:29pm“I suspect those who believe college professors are liberal atheists who favor socialism have NEVER been to college.”
Wrong again Bernbart, but at least you are consistent. It certainly appears that the college professors you describe were inspiration for “Marxist Valley College,“ unless you consider ”liberal atheist college professors” a religion unto themselves. :-/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iVmh0VCkL4
Report Post »Bible Quotin' Science Fearin' Conservative American
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 1:39pmYou make yourself liberal or conservative. Stop blaming college.
And of course LEARNING makes you doubt religion.
Report Post »dpmeek71
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 2:27pm@Bernbart – Several Universities and several degrees later I can assure you if you really believe what you just wrote, you have not been to University and have no concept of reality.
Report Post »Atilla
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 2:42pmActually it was OBama who said that he gravitated toward his Marxist proffessors.
Report Post »cromag11b
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 12:35pmOf course he thinks that. The Catholic church spent centuries holding back the intellectual development of the West. Centuries. Remember when used to burn people alive for knowing how to read or cure an illness? It took the Crusades to show Europe that there might be something to this education thing.
This is not out of line with his ‘barefoot and pregnant’ views either.
He’s very, very, very old school Catholic it seems.
Report Post »BarackStalin
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 1:06pmI thought the Republican Party was supposed to be a COALITION of fiscal conservatives and social conservatives.
MITT ROMNEY DOES NOTHING FOR SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES.
-ran as a pro-choice governor
-signed legislation limiting gun ownership
-grew government with Romneycare
I can see why fiscal conservatives want Romney, but NO REPUBLICAN CAN WIN IF SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES STAY HOME ON ELECTION DAY!!!
Obama can’t win if he loses Pennsilvania (Santorum’s home state)
Obama can’t win if he loses Catholics by a wide margin (Santorum’s faith)
most importantly…Romney can‘t win if he can’t excite social conservatives to show up and vote
Fiscal conservatives will vote for Santorum to protect their wealth from Communist Obama
BUT SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES GET NOTHING FROM ROMNEY
If social issues are lost and should not be considered as some are claiming…
Report Post »WHY WOULD I EVEN VOTE REPUBLICAN?
TheodoreRoosevelt
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 6:59pmwow some actual spot on truth on the blaze, very insightful. problem is if you get santorum, no independent will ever vote for him, you know the ones who decide the presidental elections.
Report Post »hi
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 12:35pmSantorum is a brillian man and can turn around the economy. Why are we focusing on such stupid issues?
Report Post »cromag11b
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 12:40pmBecause the only difference between him and the people I‘ve spent the last 10 years fighting is he doesn’t have the level of power to do what they do yet.
Report Post »Bible Quotin' Science Fearin' Conservative American
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 1:41pmAnybody who has the educational level of Santorum and still believes in fairy tales is a serious idiot. He should be more mad that he wasted all that money on “education”
Report Post »Chet Hempstead
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 8:19pmBecause that brilliant man Santorum decided to focus on those issues.
Report Post »bernbart
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 12:31pmWell I guess Blaze has proved it …. Liberals are more educated than conservative. Mabe conservatives would not be singled out or made fun of in college if they based and argued their positions on facts instead of religious ideology, or lies like republicans candidates.
If you want to be respected as a conservative you must argue you points more like William Buckley, who could respectfully disagree with liberals and at the same time have them as friends.
There was a time in DC when republican and Democrats in congress socialized outside of their daily grind, respectfully disagreed, but worked together on legislation. Since the religious right took over the republican party that has ceased.
Report Post »hi
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 12:41pmSince the dogmatic left took over we cannot have discussions. The left is camping out at OWS defecating on police cars and raping women. When we try to have a discussion, the left resorts to name calling.
Report Post »Mandors
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 12:43pmConservatives can at least spell the word “maybe.”
Liberals do not argue with facts, they argue with feelings. If they argued with facts, they would be forced to accept that their ideology fails in the real world.
Report Post »MoGyver
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 1:18pmBernbart,
I respectfully disagree with your conclusions, here and in some of your other posts on this story. While I cannot but agree that some religious people do not have a solid grasp of why they believe what they do, there are plenty of us who do (and have rational reasoning as to why).
There are plenty of us who can (and regularly do) have rational disagreements and can argue our positions based on observational facts. Since you seem to have never come across anyone who can and/or will do this with you leads me to one of two conclusions. First, you may be exclusionary when it comes to the people that you associate with, online or otherwise, being closed-minded to any ideas that conflict with those that you hold. Second, your tone may cause those that would ordinarily engage in conversation to avoid talking to you.
Just as I’ve had plenty of productive conversations with people that disagree with me, I have had more conversations with people who did not want to hear what I’ve had to say, regardless of how respectfully I disagreed with them. Based on those experiences, I’d have to learn more toward my second conclusion, given your statements about how you view those with a religious worldview:
“[Maybe] conservatives would not be singled out or made fun of in college if they based and argued their positions on facts instead of religious ideology, or lies like republicans candidates.”
(cont..)
Report Post »MoGyver
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 1:20pm(cont..)
“[Maybe] conservatives would not be singled out or made fun of in college if they based and argued their positions on facts instead of religious ideology, or lies like republicans candidates.”
This statement leads me to believe that you view ALL religious beliefs / positions to be completely separated from reality. If that truly is the case, we have no basis on which to disagree.
“If you want to be respected as a conservative you must argue [your] points more like William Buckley, who could respectfully disagree with liberals and at the same time have them as friends[...] Since the religious right took over the republican party that has ceased.”
This statement goes back to my previous point insomuch as that this still happens, but I will agree that it’s happening less frequently (and I disagree with the main cause of that change).
“Santorum is appealing to the less educated religious right in the GOP, [and he] is getting [nuttier] by the day.”
This statement is implying that if you support Rick Santorum, you are both less educated (read “stupider”) and “nutty.“ This is also not a good basis for a ”respectful disagreement.”
(cont..)
Report Post »MoGyver
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 1:21pm(cont..)
“Colleges are not turning students away from religion. Some students turn away as they become more educated. The more educated a [person] is the less likely they are to believe in or be controlled by religious fantasies. They take a more educated look at their own faith religion instead of dumbed-down religious indoctrination.”
Again, this statement only works if you agree that religion is false. You are presupposing that only uneducated people are religious and that once you learn “the truth,” you’re less likely to hold on to those things that you deem as “religious.”
“Education informs… religion indoctrinates.”
Only once you can face the fact that some people are both educated and religious, some people have reasoning behind their faith, only then can you have a meaningful, useful, and respectful disagreement with them. You cannot fully respect someone whom you believe does not have a good basis for their beliefs, just like I cannot fully respect you for that same reason. However, you CAN treat them with respect, as I hope that I have done here.
Report Post »sWampy
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 1:28pmHell it fails on paper to, unless you are talking books of fantasy. Any honest assessment of man has to have the basic understanding if hard work isn’t rewarded, 90% of the population will not work hard.
Report Post »Bible Quotin' Science Fearin' Conservative American
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 1:43pmIt’s education versus faith.
Facts have no impact on blind stupidity.
Report Post »MoGyver
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 3:05pm“It’s education versus faith.”
While some people’s faith is based simply on what others have told them, there are plenty of well-educated religious people that, believe it or not, took a long hard look at the observable evidence and, given that construct, came to a different conclusion than you.
Coming to different conclusions given the same evidence is a rather common occurrence within all walks of academia.
“Facts have no impact on blind stupidity.”
I cannot find any fault in this statement; however, it goes both ways.
Report Post »TheodoreRoosevelt
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 7:03pmKenneth Starr started the hate of the right wingers, then we called Bush a liar and claimed he started an illegal war, both of which he did. After that it was on with the right wingers, and will be forever until you all appologiaze for Starr.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 12:30pm“You talk to most kids who go to college who are conservatives, and you are singled out, you are ridiculed”
Maybe in PA. Go to school in the south and I guarantee that conservatives make up a healthy portion of most college populations.
I disagree with Santorum trying to tear down secondary education; it‘s the same tactic as Obama’s class warfare. Are there unscrupulous rich people who never earned their money? Sure. Are there liberal aggressors in our higher education system? Sure. Does that mean being successful or educated is a bad thing? No: but you’d never know it when you listen to Obama or Santorum. Different sides of the same coin.
Education remains one of the best ways to get ahead in our society; unemployment among those without a high school education remains around 18%, while those with at least a bachelor’s degree is around 4%. As I’ve always said, education is a microcosm of life in general: if you know what you want and plan smart, you can graduate in four years with minimal (or no) debt and a viable degree in a competitive field. If you putz around without a goal, you’ll waste your time and money and end up working as a waiter to pay for your art history degree.
Report Post »Pilgrimspride
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 12:49pmI don’t believe that Sen. Santorum meant to denigrate the college educated, but to speak of the others in this nation who are desperately needed at this time to be plumbers and electricians and auto repairmen etc., etc., etc..Not every child was born with the capacity to study at a college level but who have talents in other much needed areas.
Report Post »Bible Quotin' Science Fearin' Conservative American
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 1:48pmAlmost everyone has the capacity to study at a college level.
You want to rant about liberal professors. Try getting a business degree the south. There’s indoctrination alright. Coming from the right. My programming professor was sending us emails all semester about how global warming is fake and this and that right wing blogger crap totally unrelated to the course material. He’s not the only one. It’s coming from both sides.
Report Post »Simonne
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 12:28pmSantorum appeals to right wing bigots with his extreme religious views. I’m a Catholic & wouldn’t vote for this idiot.
Report Post »oldguy49
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 12:33pmi wouldn’t either……i looked up his voting record !!!!!!!
Report Post »bernbart
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 12:34pmI bet the Jesuits who educated him are rolling their eyes. Santorum sort of has a 3rd grade Catechism view of religion.
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 12:41pmYou’re very comment reveals your bigotry to evangelical christians. Do you play christian just on Easter and Christmas or do you occassionally indugle yourself on Sunday? I mean Jesus didn’t mean for us to actually live these things out during the week huh?
Bigot.
Report Post »conservativewoman
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 1:32pm@SIMMONE
Report Post »I am Catholic as well, and have watched Liberal Catholics like you negatively affect our church for years.
Calling Rick Santorum a bigot shows you are just not paying attention in Mass. I suggest you take some catechism classes at your local parish, and search your heart. I teach at a Catholic preschool and my little ones seem to know more about God’s love than some adult Catholics.
bernbart
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 12:21pmSantorum is appealing to the less educated religious right in the GOP, adnhe is getting nutter by the day. Colleges are not turning students away from religion. Some students turn away as they become more educated. The more educated a peroso is the less likely they are to believe in or be controlled by religious fantasies. They take a more educated look at their own faith religion instead of dumbed-down religious indoctrination. Education informs… religion indoctrinates.
Report Post »cyclops
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 12:20pmI’m the unconventional thinking type who will do anything to complete an objective timely and when one of my professors tried to influence my way of thinking when it comes to common sense about questioning my values, I simply ignore his or her agenda, not to their faces in a classroom setting but deep in the core of the fibers of my body. My goal of getting a degree and proceeding on to grad school were accomplished but I knew deep in me that what my parents taught me in their homes will always be the guiding beacon which was and will always be, “having the common sense to know about what is correct and what is incorrect.”
Report Post »Chet Hempstead
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 9:20pmIf you are in college, you should know that while the word timely can be either an adjective or an adverb, as an adverb it does not mean on time. In the phrase that begins “and when” the verb tenses of “tried to” and “I simply ignore” are in disagreement. If you are speaking metaphorically you could ignore something in the fibers of your being. The fibers of your body would be the literal fibers that compose your muscles. A muscle can neither heed nor ignore the words of your professors.
Report Post »cyclops
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 2:17amThe teachings of my parents instilled in me is what helps me knows what is correct and what is incorrect and I don’t get easily swayed by the left who have no moral values and their beliefs that their way is the only and acceptable norm in society.
Report Post »Chet Hempstead
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 4:29amYou said that already and all I did was correct your grammar. Is your restatement of stuff you said already meant as a declaration that you are not swayed by the left whose lack of moral values leads them to believe that there is only one acceptable norm in correct and incorrect grammar?
Report Post »academica2020
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 9:30am@CHET:
Report Post »By chance do you know WEBWITHDEB?
If not, the two of you should get together because you both have the “I am way smarter than you” approach down to a tee.
cyclops
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 1:19pmHello Chet,
You know, the left will always say that their way is the only way to follow and all else do not matter. I pursue secular knowledge because I know it is needed to compete in any decipline out there in the world but I also know that it is up to me to be either be influenced or not by the left’s “only way, nothing else matter” way of thinking. People on the left will say whatever they want and that is their right but I for one am so happy to exercise my right also not to listen to them because of the teachings of parents in a home where “common sense” was of the utmost importance. My Professors in college bombarded me with all kinds of “critical thinking” agendas and though I didn’t agree with their views at times, I still manage to put in the time needed in research and projects along the lines of my up-bringing and they respect me for it and gave me a passing grade in undergraduate and graduate studies. I choose not to be influenced by the left’s way of thinking. I understand what Santorum’s concern is but it is up to me not be influenced by the leftist professors….
Report Post »christopherestep
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 12:17pmno SECULAR colleges make people less religious. I‘m certain that most alumni of universities such as BYU and Liberty would disagree with Santorum’s statement.
And they say Newt has no filter on his mouth?
Report Post »Calm Voice of Reason
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 12:13pmCollege, and the critical thinking that it requires, had that effect on me. A large part of the reason is also that the church teachings I had concerning the nature of the physical world (i.e. evolution, astrophysics, culture and morality) turned out to be dramatically at odds with what I was learning in my courses. To someone like Santorum, and probably most of the readers of the Blaze, this would appear to someone from the outside to be “indoctrination”, though it is anything but that. I was taught to find evidence for claims, how logic works, and this is why I chose to dis-believe. I simply cannot accept the supernatural as a natural force in the universe; it makes absolutely no sense. I don’t doubt his claim that “62% percent of believers lose their faith”, nor do I doubt that most of those people feel that is a good thing and do not regret it. I would add that their opinion would be that what happened to them was a shedding of the “indoctrination” of their religions.
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 12:37pmSorry pal but if you accept macro-evolution, you are doing exactly what you claim you cannot. Macro-evolution has less scientific fact and is frankly contrary to DNA science. If you don’t believe in creation or intelligent design, that’s up to you. But, do not claim you can’t accept them because of an unseen, unmeasurable supernatural force when you have NEVER seen a type of biology evolve into a different type and then claim the power of the gods Time and Chance did it by magic. It’s the same premise. I can not prove in a lab that God created you. You can not prove in a lab that I evolved from something non-human.
Report Post »oldguy49
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 1:12pmcheck out a madrassa
Report Post »Bible Quotin' Science Fearin' Conservative American
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 1:50pmThis claim that there are no transitional animals in the fossil record is bull. Absolute bull.
Report Post »binks007
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 4:18pmOutstanding comment. Reason is the enemy of superstition.
Report Post »cripplecreek
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 12:13pmConsidering the number of college professors who are militant atheists, I’d say that Rick Santorum is right.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 12:33pmYes .. you hit it right on. That is why Obummer wants everyone in the indoctrination centers (colleges and universities).
Report Post »Bible Quotin' Science Fearin' Conservative American
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 1:53pmOr it could be that an educated work force makes us more competitive in the global economy that we now have to compete in. But you just keep on getting your GEDs while the Chinese leave us in the dust.
It’s just a culture war to you people. You’re not patriots.
Report Post »fcbs46
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 12:09pmYes if the college teaches all the socialist crap that they normally teach.
Report Post »A person has a very difficult time keeping his or her faith amidst the hammering that teachers push on to the students. From Geology to Sociology they bring their teachers and their own prejudices to the class room.
Vechorik
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 12:09pmSantorum will end birth control?
“Santorum, who has also pledged to do what he can to put an end to contraception if elected president. Contraception changes “the way things ought to be,” he says. Santorum is self assured that he, and he alone, understands “the way things ought to be” and pledges to use the powers of the state to forcefully impose his “understanding” on the entire country.”
http://www.24hgold.com/english/news-gold-silver-ayatollah-santorum-the-sanctimonious-ass-.aspx?article=3800514004G10020&redirect=false&contributor=Tom+DiLorenzo
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Santorum: “Women shouldn‘t serve in combat because of ’other types of emotions’ ”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/post/santorum-says-other-types-of-emotions-could-preclude-women-in-combat/2012/02/09/gIQAkiya2Q_blog.html
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Santorum the Sanctimonious: Santorum statements can only be described as delusional and totalitarian.
http://www.24hgold.com/english/news-gold-silver-ayatollah-santorum-the-sanctimonious-ass-.aspx?article=3800514004G10020&redirect=false&contributor=Tom+DiLorenzo
Report Post »Katydidnt
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 12:05pmI went through Penn State too, and there is a professor there who prides himself on showing kids how illogical it is to believe in God. He says it is all built on certain precepts and if even one of them is wrong the whole thing falls apart. Isn’t there just one of those precepts you doubt?
Yup big man taking on teens with a limited arsenal to refute him. He doesn’t take on adults or actual scholars of the faith who could just shred his arguments.
Report Post »LibertarianForLife
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 12:42pmWhat argument would these “scholars” use? You do understand the definition of “faith”, don’t you?
Report Post »Vechorik
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 12:02pmRASMUSSEN POLL: Obama Approval at 45%, Lowest in Month—President Falls Behind Romney and Paul…
Romney 45% Obama 43%…
Paul 43% Obama 41%
Obama 45% Santorum 43%
Obama 49% Gingrich 39%… Developing…
It’s on DRUDGE :-) http://m.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
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Posted on February 27, 2012 at 12:45pmGood news!
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 12:46pmJimmy Carter was beating Reagan by 20 points 3 months out. George H.W. Bush was beating Clinton by 30 points 2 months out.
Your point?
Report Post »whatthecrazy
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 11:56amI can answer that,my daughter went in a sweet conserative girl and after six years came out with her degree and an extremely liberal attitude and a much damaged moral ethic.My heart breaks for her as she has been brainwashed and i want my daughter back but have a really hard time making progress, but i think im getting thru.It‘s a shame but i would never push another soul that i love to attend college it’s just not worth it.
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 12:19pmI am so sorry about your daughter. The same thing happened to my niece who went to U of Michigan. The first clue I had of her brainwashing was how pleased she was that the city of Ann Arbor defeated evil capitalistic Starbucks from expanding into Ann Arbor. Her parents are hard working, conservatives who paid for the Bachelor’s degree portion her college indoctrination. They were too busy working to realize how liberalized she was becoming. After taking out massive amount of student loans for her dual Masters, she is now a public school educator teaching her learned liberalism to high school students. She, too, was a sweet, sweet girl before the left got their hands on her. It breaks my heart. Along with her parents, I keep praying for her as well as sharing as much information about the progressive agenda while doing my best to not push her away. It is a very tough balancing act to break through to the indoctrinated. All the best to you with your daughter!
Report Post »fcbs46
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 12:21pmIt‘s possible she will remain dumb but give her a chance and wait for the mid twenty’s.
It’s been shown many times ,via MRI that people do not come into their real mind until after 21 or more sometimes.
So give it a shot. My daughter is almost thirty and is finally coming around to sanity.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 12:34pmI’m curious, what behaviors has she expressed that are so terrible?
“It’s been shown many times ,via MRI that people do not come into their real mind until after 21 or more sometimes.”
The brain doesn’t stop developing until age 25 (on average).
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 1:38pmFor my niece………
Anti-God, anti-Americanism, anti-capitalism, progressivism, narcissism, intellectual superiority (just to name a few)……perhaps it is best summed up as an Obama voter. Although, I’m told she has since taken down her “like” of Obama’s page on her FB status.
Report Post »Bible Quotin' Science Fearin' Conservative American
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 1:58pmMaybe she’s finally realizing that both sides are totally full of it.
Report Post »bassist237
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 11:56amThe problem isn’t the colleges, it is the individual. I am so sick of people blaming other people for their problems. You are not a product of your environment, take some responsibility for yourself and your actions. That is where it starts, with the individual. Sure the collective group makes it hard, but if you start with yourself and change the way YOU are, you are the only one that can be blamed.
Report Post »sWampy
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 12:04pmIf you grow up in most single family homes in this nation, go only to public school, don’t attend church, there isn’t much of a person to start with. You combine that with 4 more years of peer pressure, and indoctrination by bitter college professors, your chances of coming out civilized is almost zero.
Report Post »Bible Quotin' Science Fearin' Conservative American
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 2:00pmlol. What kind of CARTOON world do you live in? The only bitter college professors I had were the ego-maniacal has-beens in the music department. I’ve never had a professor try to turn me away from religion. I did that on my own. I have had many right wing professors trying to indoctrinate the class though. I’m sure you guys are fine with that though since all you care about is a culture war anyway.
Report Post »sWampy
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 11:56amFor the life of me I don’t see how anyone could question that statement.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 12:13pmProbably because you didn’t read the article, where it showed evidence that those who don’t go to college lose their religion more often than those who do?
Report Post »sWampy
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 1:46pmYou can make numbers show anything, personal experience has shown me that a lot more people stop going to church while attending college than those that don’t attend college, during the 18-25 year age range. There are most likely tons of reasons for this, that have very little to do with indoctrination, from your routine changing when in college, nobody there to remind you to go, no one there trying to guilt you into going, etc. When if you don’t go to college, and stay around your home town, it’s just part of your routine, and not something you just stop doing. Those I have known that did stop going after college, usually come back when they have kids. I could easily see college causing the number to drop, then by 35 or 40 it either even out or reverse again.
Report Post »Bible Quotin' Science Fearin' Conservative American
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 2:02pmIf someone has to guilt you into going to church then it’s a crock that you go anyway.
Report Post »TriforcePlayer
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 7:12pmAgreed Swampy
Report Post »UBETHECHANGE
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 11:52amDeliberate dumbing down of America by Charlotte Iserbyt
Report Post »Espada
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 11:52am“You talk to most kids who go to college who are conservatives, and you are singled out, you are ridiculed,… .”
You should have gone to college in the South, Santorum. Doesn’t happen here. And you’d best get off your “religious” kick, because it is getting ludicrous. You’re not running for Archbishop.
Report Post »UBETHECHANGE
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 11:58amDuring the Civil Rights Era, we gradually learned that if certain pejoratives were invoked, the individual doing so was a racist. Similarly, today we need to learn that when the emotive and pejorative term “theocracy!” is invoked, it is usually by an intolerant secularist who wants all public religious expressions expunged from society.
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 12:51pm@UBETHECHANGE
Keep it up. You are schooling these fools! Good stuff.
Report Post »psadie
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 11:51amGet off the religious stuff already, Rick. Social issues will not save this country from the mess we are in now. They have a place but not at the forefront of problems presently. Can‘t wait till we vote here in Pa then let’s see how well you do. You are a pious phony.
Report Post »UBETHECHANGE
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 11:59am“Theocracy”
In a recent letter, the writer took the same position as Americans United for Separation of Church and State (AU) and parroted AU’s offensive mantra, associating a theocracy or theocratic state with the “Religious Right.” Such claims are patently false.
First, to have a theocracy in America, the Constitution must be replaced with a totalitarian dictator who speaks on God’s behalf (i.e., a revival of “the Divine Right of Kings” doctrine). I challenge AU, or anyone else to identify which part of the “Religious Right” is calling for such a government.
Second, the “Religious Right” leaders (Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, Jim Dobson, et. al) are calling for an increased respect for the Constitution and its actual wording, urging citizens to exercise their constitutional right to vote. The real “crime” of these leaders is not that they want a theocracy (which they don’t) but that they rightfully want legislators to make national policy instead of judges. Should that occur, AU or groups like them could not win another battle, for Americans overwhelmingly reject their policies (e.g., “under God” in the Pledge – a phrase opposed by AU but supported by 87% of Americans).
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Report Post »UBETHECHANGE
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 12:00pm(cont) The rabid opposition to public religious expressions is often irrational, In fact, a New Jersey bill proposing that students begin each day by reciting the first 56 words from the Declaration of Independence was loudly denounced as “a thinly-veiled attempt to put prayer in schools” – the first step on the road to a – you guessed it – “theocracy!” Reading the actual wording of the Declaration of Independence leads to a theocracy??? It is time for that term to become anathema in public discourse.
During the Civil Rights Era, we gradually learned that if certain pejoratives were invoked, the individual doing so was a racist. Similarly, today we need to learn that when the emotive and pejorative term “theocracy!” is invoked, it is usually by an intolerant secularist who wants all public religious expressions expunged from society.
Report Post »psadie
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 12:17pm@UBETHECHANGE
Report Post »Please get off your rant already.
UBETHECHANGE
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 1:15pm@PSADIE You have nothing to debate with. Nothing.
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Posted on February 27, 2012 at 1:18pm@UBETHECHANGE
Report Post »I am commenting not debating!
Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 11:51amIt‘s not college’s that make people less religious, it’s the fraternities. With pagan rituals like the Butt Clenching the Grape ceremony, the Beer Bong Baptism, and the final, “Paddling of the Swollen Buttocks”. Going to church on sunday with a raging Hangover is what kills religion. Although there isn’t a College Freshmen who is hugging the toilet, praying to God to make him stop throwing up and to stop the room from spinning. That is when they find their religion.
Report Post »TSUNAMI-22
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 11:57amPersonally, I think they are confusing “religion” with “spirituality”.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 12:15pm“It‘s not college’s that make people less religious, it’s the fraternities.”
Unlikely. Even at universities with a large Greek society presence, less than 20% of the population is likely to be part of fraternities. How would that 20% equal the 62% that Santorum claims?
Report Post »Bible Quotin' Science Fearin' Conservative American
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 2:04pmWhat kills religion is learning to put it in historical context and realizing that it’s not real. College will do that to you but only because in college you learn. Learning with do that to religion.
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