Update: Was the IHOP Gunman Strategically Targeting National Guardsmen?
- Posted on September 6, 2011 at 3:50pm by
Billy Hallowell
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As the details unfold surrounding Tuesday’s tragic shootings at a Carson City, Nevada, IHOP restaurant, some are wondering if the gunman behind the attacks was strategically targeting National Guardsmen. Earlier this afternoon, RGJ.com reported the following: “Five of the nine people shot at the Carson City IHOP this morning were Nevada National Guard members.”
In sum, three people were murdered and six were wounded in the attack. The suspect, who hasn’t been identified, apparently acted alone and died at a hospital in Reno, officials said. Currently, authorities aren’t saying whether the attack targeted the Guard members, who were uniformed while meeting at the restaurant in a strip mall on Carson City’s main street.
One of the deceased military members was a man; the other was a woman, authorities said. Below, watch an MSNBC interview in which this subject — strategic targeting — is briefly explored:
Here’s a news report from KCRA that explains the situation, in detail:
Stay tuned for more details as this story progresses. View the original report here.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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stopthespending
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 4:53pmPlease pray for these family’s and Obumer said we can no longer call these what they really are terrorist. Chickens, whatever you want to call them. Round them up and send them back home.
Report Post »Servant Of YHVH
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 5:40pmDon’t forget to have them take obumer back with them as well.
Report Post »J Z S
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 5:49pmHow many more shootings will take place before people realize that fewer available guns lead to fewer gun crimes. Statistics have proved this fact. What am i missing
rangerp
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 5:56pmdetails of the shooter has not yet emerged. Libs/democrats/progressives/athiests are still in ferverent prayer, begging God that the shooter be a white male, military veteran, NRA member, Tea Party supporter, tax paying, Baptist Church attending, pick up truck driving, hunter, shooter. You know, the kind of people Maxine Waters, Rachel Maddow, Jessie Jackson, Chris Mathews, Woopi, Keith Olberman, Hillary Clinton, Barbra Boxer, Nancy Pelosi, Unions, queers, athiests, and the rest of the libs all hate. Those despicable job having, tax paying, flag and constitution loving, Bible reading, tea party, child raising, Americans that are now labeled the enemy.
Report Post »SREGN
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 5:58pmActually, JZS, statistics have proved quite the opposite.
Report Post »let us prey
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 5:59pmjzs
Hugghhh?
If I were to select a jack-booted group of fascists who are perhaps as large a danger to American society as I could pick today, I would pick BATF [the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms].
– U.S. Representative John Dingell, 1980
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 6:03pm@J Z S
Obviously you have not read the same stats as I. check what happened to gun violence in every major city in Australia when hand guns were outlawed. In some cities, gun violence went up as much as 400%. the cities in America with the highest amount of gun control, all have the highest gun crimes. Ever chekc the stats in Switzerland? every household has a gun, and it aint now squirrel rifle, it is a modern assault rifle. they have some of the lowest crime in the world. check the stats on Kennesaw, Georgia – they passed a law years ago making gun ownership mandatory. Check and see what their crime is.
If you want to really see the base of gun violence, check the stats and see who commits most of the gun violence. It is the recepients of liberal welfar, foodstamps, federal housing….. 12% of our population commit 50% of the murders and 75% of the armed robberies.
Why was it so important for Hitler to disarm the population before murdering six million jews? Why did Castro disarm cuba? Why did Mao disarm China? Why did Stalin disarm Russia and the Soviet Union? Why do liberals want to disarm America?
Why is it the same libs that want gun control never talke about violent rap music, baggy pants, fatherless children, the problems welfare causes?
JZS – you have your head in the sand on this one. Open your eyes
Report Post »My Two Cents
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 6:17pmJZS: Since you asked what you were missing, could you start with the statistics you made reference to?
Report Post »betterthantv
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 6:30pmJ Z S – You people will never get it will you? How do you honestly think that stricter gun laws will result in fewer gun crimes. Do you and your kind honestly believe that ths bad guys will just suddenly stop shooting people if guns are outlawed?
Report Post »Der Big Pickle
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 6:34pmProbably one of those middle eastern goat fkkkers.
Report Post »Rational Man
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 6:44pm@jzs
Vermont has the least restrictive gun-control law. It recognizes the right of any Vermonter who has not otherwise been prohibited from owning a firearm to carry concealed weapons without a permit or license. Yet Vermont has one of the lowest crime rates in America, ranking 49 out of 50 in all crimes and 47th in murders.
States which have passed concealed-carry laws have seen their murder rate fall by 8.5 percent, rapes by 5 percent, aggravated assaults by 7 percent and robbery by 3 percent.
Texas is a good example. In the early 1990s, Texas’s serious crime rate was 38 percent above the national average. Since then, serious crime in Texas has dropped 50 percent faster than for the nation as a whole. All this happened after passage of a concealed-carry law in 1994.
http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0210e.asp
What about the experience of other countries? In 1997, just 12 months after a new gun law went into effect in Australia, homicides jumped 3.2 percent, armed robberies 44 percent, and assaults 8.6 percent. In the state of Victoria, homicides went up 300 percent. Before the law was passed, statistics showed a steady decrease in armed robberies with firearms. In 1998, in the state of South Australia, robbery with a firearm increased nearly 60 percent. In 1999, the assault rate in New South Wales rose almost 20 percent.
Report Post »http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0211f.asp
AquaBuddha
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 6:45pmJZS
Report Post »Where are you getting YOUR facts from? You couldn’t be more misinformed.
rangerp
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 6:46pmSorry libs, no dice this time. Appears the shooter was Mr Eduardo Sencion.
Report Post »SuttonShimai
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 6:47pmIf fewer guns led to fewer crimes, all shootings would take place at gun shows and there would be no shootings at schools or any place else where there are supposed to be no guns.
Report Post »J Z S
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 6:50pmI don’t see the importance on citing sources on this on due to its simple nature. Would you ask for a source if someone told you 2 + 2 = 4? The debate is over. I know you guys don’t actually believe that a higher gun ownership rate reduces crime; at least I hope you don’t believe it. That argument is simply absurd. The fewer guns available mean the less available for gun crimes. The Hitler quote is so absurd it will not even garner a response.
Report Post »Midwest Blonde
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 6:52pm@ J Z S
There are laws that SHOULD prevent criminals from getting guns, yet they STILL obtain them.
Fewer guns does NOT mean there will be fewer guns in the hands of the criminals but it WILL mean fewer guns in the hands of law abiding citizens.
(PS – don‘t say it’s “fact” unless you can back it up with references)
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 6:54pm@Mr rational man,
I appreciate your post, but using Vermont as a statistic aint exactly fair when you are discussing crime. Like the black folks say, you need to keep it real. Vermont aint exactly a melting if you know what I mean. Your state has whopping 95.3% of white folks, and only 1% is black.
Report Post »While this should not matter, you would have to be stupid to not know that it does matter, especially if you live in some of the southern states, where half the population of some cities is black. the liberal welfare, food stamps, federal housing has not done the black folks of America to much of a favor. While they are 12% of the over all population, their crime rates are generally 50% and higer on every major violent crime.
rangerp
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 7:04pm@J Z S
So JZS, if we make crack and meth a felony to possess, sell, or use, it would go away?
You are telling us that if you make guns illeagle, gun violence will stop. We showed you the statistics, and your claim is not true. Are you not able to use critical thinking and reasoning? It does not work. When you outlaw guns, criminals still find a way to get them. An unarmed population is easier for them to commit violence against. it is that simple. This is not a complex argument. We showed you the numbers>
If we outlawed assault weapons today at a federal level, do you think outlaws would get rid of theirs ? Heck no, they would get more, and would run wild.
Report Post »Rational Man
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 7:11pm@rangerp
Vermont is not MY state. And there are more stats and info on the link that the quote came from. Feel free to read more.
I merely posted a brief example to counter JZS’s ignorant opinion. There is a ton more evidence to the contrary of what JZS pulls out of his hat.
BTW, JZS, don’t assume that I am as stupid as you, “I know you guys don’t actually believe that a higher gun ownership rate reduces crime; at least I hope you don’t believe it. That argument is simply absurd.”
Report Post »“The fewer guns available mean the less available for gun crimes.”
WRONG!…The fewer legal gun owners available mean less deterent to crime.
Go to the links I posted or do your own homework and find your own information………Or just stay stupid, I don’t care………..
Rational Man
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 7:19pm@jzs
“The Hitler quote is so absurd it will not even garner a response.”
I will respond for you, with facts.
Report Post »Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
J Z S
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 7:23pm@Ranger
Ranger said, “So JZS, if we make crack and meth a felony to possess, sell, or use, it would go away?”
I am not saying outlawing firearms would stop every criminal every time. You said I was not using critical thinking. If you are, ask yourself this. If meth was legal, wouldn’t there be more of it. By outlawing it you reduce the numbers, reducing meth crimes. Simple as that. I also don’t believe in vigilantism. Crime should be handled strictly by our police force. The second amendment does not grant individuals the right to deal with violent criminals.
Report Post »Viet Vet
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 7:24pm@SREGN and RANGERP
Exactly right. The criminology studies show that where guns are the most prevalent, crime is the lowest. Further, as states enacted CCW (right to carry) laws, their crime rates dropped significantly. The studies show that the number one thing that causes crime rates to increase, is recidivism. The most comprehensive criminology study found that law-abiding American gun owners use their firearms 2.2 million times a year to drive off or kill a criminal attacker (usually by just producing the gun). Guns in the hands of the public save far more lives than guns in the hands of criminals take. Gun control laws are aimed at law-abiding citizens since a criminal by definition is lawless. 99% of all the guns in this country are never used in a crime in any given year. 60% of all gun deaths are suicide. 10% of all gun deaths are justifiable homicide (by both citizens and LE). 5% of all gun deaths are accident.
Most conservatives know that the American Revolution was started in April of 1775 as a consequence of the British Army’s persistent attempt to disarm the colonists.
Fear a politician, political party, or government that tears an armed citizenry.
Report Post »Melvin Spittle
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 7:40pmJ Z S
Report Post »You have made the critical flaw of oversimplifying the issue and then use that illogical fallacy to support your lack of an argument. Do I make you look stupid here or should I just let it go? I am giving you a chance to save face. If you would like, you can pursue this but you must do better than justifying your lack of sources with your “2+2=4″ argument. Others may, but I do not suffer fools gladly.
Melvin Spittle
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 7:48pmJ Z S
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 7:23pm
“Crime should be handled strictly by our police force. The second amendment does not grant individuals the right to deal with violent criminals.”
Is this the best you can do? Did you know that it is the people that have the power to enforce the law and that the police are just citizens that do it full time and for compensation? If crime is to be handled by the police only, we are in deep trouble. Do you keep a cop in your back pocket? The police have no legal accountability to protect you from crime. If they did, there would be a never ending line of lawsuits for them not doing their job.
You are wrong regarding the 2nd amend. We have the right to self defense and that includes deadly force. Your outrageous statements give us all a glimpse into your very limited grasp of the facts.
Report Post »Melvin Spittle
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 7:57pmJZS your lack of supportable argument and the style, if you can call it that, of which you present these so called “arguments” leaves your ability to debate logically in question. I know this is an opinion forum, but you attack other comments for their lack of reasoning which leads me to assume you are looking for logical debate, hence my comment. Do you know the meaning of relevance? The comment regarding Hitler was very relevant and either you lack historical knowledge or you are being sophist.
Report Post »Joeyp22
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 8:15pmHey JZS
I believe you have case of being obtuse. I have heard that this condition can be fixed by the proctologist. It seems as though you have a severe case and it make take several visits. Easier cases have been rectified in lesser visits but I believe your’s is a willing denseness to the facts therefore pulling your head out of your hindquarters may be challenging.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 8:51pm@Rational Man
I read your whole post, and agreed with all. it was a very good post. I was kind of jerking your chain to make a point of my own. We are on the same side and agree with each other.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 8:55pm@Melvin Spittle
Mr Spittle, I believe you are drooling sir. You might want to go floss your teeth. You have chewed an awful lot of JZS’s butt in a very short amount of time.
Report Post »Rational Man
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 9:45pm@rangerp
We’re good!
Report Post »I may have come off a little indignant because I don’t live in Vermont…..Sorry!
The thought of living somewhere back east makes my skin crawl.
No offense easterners…………………..
LVGUY
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 10:09pmYa JZS Remember when trouble comes call 911 and die
Report Post »Mil Mom
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 11:14pm@J Z S
Report Post »Posted on September 6, 2011 at 5:49pm
How many more shootings will take place before people realize that fewer available guns lead to fewer gun crimes. Statistics have proved this fact. What am i missing
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Maybe you’d better inform the Justice Dept, the ATF, The DEA, and half a dozen other Administrative agencies, ’cause they sure aren’t helping by forcing gun dealers to ignore the law and sell to straw dealers, and criminals!
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The Criminals Will always have weapons, baseball bats, tire irons, crowbars, steel bars, hammers, knives, swords (yes they still use them for fencing) , sledge hammers, iron skillets, [WHAT ELSE SHOULD WE BAN SO NOBODY CAN HURT ANYBODY ELSE!!!!] BAD PEOPLE WILL ALWAYS FIND WAYS TO DO BAD THINGS, TAKE AWAY EVERYONE’S LINES OF SELF DEFENSE, AND YOU GUARRANTEE ONLY THE BAD SURVIVE!!!
Mil Mom
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 11:21pm@rangerp
Report Post »re :Those despicable job having, tax paying, flag and constitution loving, Bible reading, tea party, child raising, Americans that are now labeled the enemy.
*****
Listened to the news ALL DAY, no one’s been reported as blaming it on Sarah Palin yet, but I’ll sure bet no one blames it on Biden or Jimmy Hoffa Jr.
Mil Mom
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 11:44pm@jsz
Report Post »re : I also don’t believe in vigilantism. Crime should be handled strictly by our police force. The second amendment does not grant individuals the right to deal with violent criminals.
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So, you’ve been threatened or there is a high level of breakins where you live. You are watching tv with low lighting and see someone on the doorstep with a weapon, hear them jimmy the lock on your door, IF YOU GRAB YOUR PHONE AND CALL 911, THEY’LL ASK YOU WHAT THE NATURE OF YOUR EMERGENCY IS, WHAT YOUR NAME IS AND THE ADDRESS YOU’RE CALLING FROM, IF YOU ARE ALONE…EVENTUALLY THEY‘LL SUMMON THE POLICE AND IF ONE’S IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY MAY MAKE IT BEFORE YOU DIE. If you have a gun and the same scenario happens, the assailant may have a little surprise, and you have a whole lot better chance to be alive to fill out a police report. It happened in the town next to us. The woman was threatened by a neighbor who was mad at a family member. she saw him breaking in with a knife and called 911, the tapes had audio of her screaming and begging the guy not to kill her. The police made it 5 min. later, in time to see no one, but to notify the coroner of a body! Apparently with the throat slit. If she’d had a gun, it wouldn’t have mattered how long the police took to get there. (9 min from original call.)
DanWesson455
Posted on September 7, 2011 at 9:09amDoes anyone know of this Hispanics Status? Legal, Green Card, whatever?
Report Post »jjoy
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 4:51pmATTN: Glenn Beck
Glenn, I am getting weary of all these video advertisments that your “blaze” downloads to my computer… You have them “fixed” where they can’t be shut off… Ramming them down our throats just like obama did with his obamacare plan…
Report Post »Dustyluv
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 5:01pmPoor baby…
Report Post »Midwest Blonde
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 5:04pmGet a program called Adblock Plus. Works for me.
Report Post »TomFerrari
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 5:12pmUse Firefox and Adblock plus.
Report Post »lemmings4obama
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 5:12pmWhat does Rush call them? Porcine profit breaks or what not… haha, God forbid he makes money to keep theblaze.com up and running. Turn down the volume. :)
Report Post »Malcom0983
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Report Post »platitude
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 5:27pm“Nothing wrong with glenn wanting to make money.” Likewise , there is nothing wrong with voicing an opinion or grievance regarding the website.
Report Post »ghostsouls
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 5:34pmI use Firefox, and I never see any of them.
Report Post »qpwillie
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 5:35pmYou can find the active video embed and click on the speaker icon. That will mute it.
I don’t know what advertising “expert” came up with the idea that you can sell more products by annoying the dookey out of people.
Report Post »kimwife91
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 5:49pmWith a story this important you are going to complain about our freedoms we ALL have?
Report Post »BrokenHearted
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 5:52pmUse firefox and add adblcok, duh…
Report Post »swampbuck
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 5:53pmnever had an issue on my computer..
Report Post »betterthantv
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 6:32pmYour problem is your browser not this site. Firefox eliminates all that you are whining about. Or perhaps you could just TURN YOUR SOUND OFF?
Report Post »PoliticalJunkieToo
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 4:45pmIf the shooter was an illegal alien and/or or used a Fast & Furious gun, you can be sure the LSM will cover it up.
Report Post »SREGN
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 4:51pmAnyone know what a “local man with no criminal history” is pc code for?
Report Post »Mil Mom
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 11:59pm@SREGN
Report Post »Posted on September 6, 2011 at 4:51pm
Anyone know what a “local man with no criminal history” is pc code for?
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Think AZ, and Gabbie Giffords, that’s what originally came out about the shooter there. Think it means were checking him out and hope it isn‘t someone we’ve been ignoring !
jesusb4self
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 4:39pmProbably Union Thug acting on order from Hoffa????
Report Post »biohazard23
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 4:51pmJust part of taking the sons of b*tches out…..
Report Post »Watchman064
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 4:39pmA man shoots a few people. Its a tragedy. But the war bird on today’s cover page titled WARTHOG: A GUN WITH A PLANE ON IT. That machine murders thousands of entire INNOCENT families overseas…and that is not? America has become a very sick place. The twisted measures in which we value life will not go unpunished though. There is a God.
Report Post »KusoJiJi
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 4:46pmThousands? Can you name one?
Report Post »PoliticalJunkieToo
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 4:47pmHoffa , UNION BOSS, just used violent language as did Maxine Waters. “take them out” Go straight to hell” This NV shooting is the democrats fault.
Report Post »SREGN
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 4:54pmWrong Watchman. That machine murders thousands of enemy combatants in tanks. It’s a tank killer. That’s its purpose. I don‘t think you’ll find many innocent civilians out for a Sunday drive in their tanks.
Report Post »whosafraidofspookydude1
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 4:55pmyou touch children.
Report Post »RichNGadsden
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 4:59pmMurder? Combat is murderous but is not murder itself. Your left wing intentions are more than evident now. Just back to sucking Pelosi’s hind tit!
Report Post »lvjohn
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 5:00pmIdiots come in all sizes,you are pretty small.
Report Post »TSUNAMI-22
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 5:03pmJust like when the A-bomb was dropped on Japan where civilians were killed. I’m sure it had nothing to do with the sneak attack on Pearl Harbor.
Why is the “lack of value on life” argument always imposed on the USA before the people that attacked the USA?
There’s always two sides to the coin.
My philosophy on aggressive behavior – “don‘t start nothin’, won‘t be nothin’.”
Report Post »adimeroll
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 5:14pmYou let your bias against this country speak the lie that terrorists like to hear. You have a large credibility problem..Seek the truth and you will be a better person for it……..
Report Post »TargetDestroyed01
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 5:21pmWatchman64,some personal advice, prepare yourself for a large number of responses from readers of this forum that, to put it politely, will see things very differently from what you posted here. Regarding this extremely dubious and inane remark you made involving the A-10:
“That machine murders thousands of entire INNOCENT families overseas…”
The A-10 is an extremely effective weapons systems. In capable hands, it rarely misses and is usually used against hardened targets like tanks and bunkers. Unless you are a cowardly Islamic Jihadist who hides behind innocent people, you don’t usually have, in your words, “innocent families” sitting in tanks or hardened military targets getting blow apart by A-10 pilots.
The A-10 is however, very good at killing enemy combatants which, in turn, actually FREES ALL THOSE SAME INNOCENT FAMILIES FROM BRUTAL, COWARDLY, LUNATIC ISLAMIC (and other) EXTREMIST AND DICTATORS.
FREEDOM is an important concept. It is the thing you take for granted when you paste your halfwit idiotic posts on forums like this.
Honestly, if our A-10 pilots wanted to, they could easily mow down thousands. But they don’t. Instead, they liberate those “innocent families” from murder, deprivation and slavery. You are either grossly misinformed or a simple fool. You really should try to use that mass of protoplasm located between your ears BEFORE you type anything on your computer.
You stand corrected. You are welcome. TD01.
Report Post »Hickory
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 5:22pmWhy don’t you go over and when a wart hog attacks, step in front and hold up a protest sign.
Report Post »UFOCPrez
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 5:27pmThousands of innocent families? That is a bold claim. In addition, who in the hell ever said it wasn’t a tragedy when any innocent person is killed during war?
Report Post »dorightfearnothing
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 5:40pm@ watchman064—- Your an ass, an ignorant uninfomed & pathetic ass. Shame on you.
Report Post »ThoreauHD
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 5:41pmThere is a God and he destroys civilizations too.
Report Post »qpwillie
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 5:44pmYeah Watchman064, you’re right. America is a terrible place. Tell you what I’ll do – I want you to be happy so I’m willing to take up a collection to get you a one way trip to Cuba, You get an extra bonus if you can convince 0bama to go with you.
Report Post »smokeysmoke
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 6:20pmI would call the A10 an angel above the heads of our troops, but im open to others opinions that we only go around the world and murder people… that is quite inciteful
Report Post »drago
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 7:16pmencinom, stfu kid….
Report Post »Mil Mom
Posted on September 7, 2011 at 12:08am@qpwillie
Report Post »Posted on September 6, 2011 at 5:44pm
Yeah Watchman064, you’re right. America is a terrible place. Tell you what I’ll do – I want you to be happy so I’m willing to take up a collection to get you a one way trip to Cuba, You get an extra bonus if you can convince 0bama to go with you
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We‘ll double the bonus if you can get him and Michelle to fly on the same plane and enjoy an 2 yr vacation as Castro’s house guests!
Mil Mom
Posted on September 7, 2011 at 12:41am@UFOCPrez
Report Post »Posted on September 6, 2011 at 5:27pm
Thousands of innocent families? That is a bold claim. In addition, who in the hell ever said it wasn’t a tragedy when any innocent person is killed during war?
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The Islamo terrorists who compensate their families then make videos talking of the glory of martyrdom and rewards of vifgins in paradise to show to young kids they’re brainwashing to wear suicide vests.
jesusb4self
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 4:38pmOK know why isn’t this being blammed on the “violent retoric” from the Hoffa comments – like the shooting of Giffords was blamed on Palin????????????????
Please email all reporters and congressman to explain this???? Was the attacker Union labor???
Report Post »rbosque
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 4:35pmThis smells like a Jihadi attack…
Report Post »Chappy123
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 4:29pmWhy havent they released the guys name?
Report Post »PoliticalJunkieToo
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 4:33pmTyrone Abdullah Lopez
Someone on the other Blaze article – same topic – said this was the shooter. I googled and got nothing.
Report Post »J4Y
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 4:37pmBecause hes name is probably mohammad, and i bet hes also a tea party type person at weekends…
My prayers and thoughts go out to the family members, friends and brothers in arms of these troops!
http://br0wn.biz
Report Post »PoliticalJunkieToo
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 4:37pmTyrone Abdullah Lopez
This was name listed by another blogger on an earlier article.
Report Post »Leningradcowboy
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 4:38pmCan you say – Mooo-hah-mad? Or it could be someone that doesn‘t like the new Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell sensitivity training.
Just my guess.
Report Post »PoliticalJunkieToo
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 4:40pmhttp://www.spokeo.com/search?q=Tyrone%20Lopez#:3363002041
Googled – found 1 Tyrone Lopez: Location: Carson City, NV 89701
Report Post »grantfamily
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 4:46pmMost likely because it’s of Islamic origin. (Did I just type that?)
Report Post »It’s sad. While the media and political parties on both sides play games with America we are slowly starting to deal with the stupidity of sheeple blowing themselves up and gunning down our soldiers who give their time and lives for this country. And why all the chaos? What is it for? All in the name of Liberal and Progressive ideals. These people who do this stuff must really believe our military guys want to conquer the world, our businesses take all the money and give nothing back to their communities, and God is the reason for all this mess along with Tea Party and other people trying to hold on to this country and the Ideal of the our Founding Fathers.
TomFerrari
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 5:11pm@politicaljunkietoo – you got took. Whoever posted that was making a hateful quazi-racist remark, denoting a stereotypical name for blacks, one for arabs(muslims), and one for hispanics(mexicans).
Report Post »jdog777
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 5:25pmTyrone Abdullah Lopez???
Report Post »Don’t be naive. look at the name closely and then tell me how racist it sounds. Your blogger is leading you around by your nose.
survivorseed
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 7:10pmTyrone Abdullah Lopez….You guys are gullible. I heard it was Billy Bob hog rootin two teef
Report Post »Bro Geo Too
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 4:27pmWait a minute, didn’t Jimmy Hoffa just declare war on republicans and conservatives? And at the same event where our beloved president spoke too? The hypocrisy of this administration, liberals, democrats, and progressives, along with the complicity/encouragement of the lame stream media is disgusting.
Hoffa, you really want to war with us?!
Report Post »Pattondog
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 4:26pmwonder if any of the weapsons used was from the project gun runner, bet they try and hide very fast and furios.
Report Post »PoliticalJunkieToo
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 4:25pmThese type of killers could be any number of people with motive. This guy was pretty angry – angry enough to kill and then kill himself (iffy if he will make it)
1. Ex IHOP employee (early reports said this then denied it)
2. Muslim Terrorist
3. Disgruntled Solider (Recently kicked out or on his way out) – Maybe one of the soldiers killed/injured was in his chain.
4. Looney Leftist (doesn’t like the war or soldiers)
5. Family member (ticked off relative or brother in-law, maybe ticked off gay partner of one of the soldiers now that gays are allowed in the military, etc).
Report Post »PoliticalJunkieToo
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 4:34pmForgot the EX lover/boyfriend husband.
A male and female soldier both in uniform were killed. Could be a jealous/angry lover situation.
Report Post »Lt_Taz
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 4:25pmMay the Lord have mercy on their souls, and console their families and loved ones.
Report Post »heavenlyarmed
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 4:25pmThose who trade Liberty for Security have neither – John Adams
You Don’t Shoot to Kill – You Shoot to Stay Alive!
An Armed Man is a Citizen – A Unarmed man is a Subject!
Report Post »Pattondog
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 4:25pmhey he was simply taking the advice of hoffa jr and heeding the advice of biden and pelosi of those tea partiers, you know the ones peacefully debating and calling for common sense in our government. you know the onese with zero evidence of any of the allegations brought against them particularly in the area of race relations and terrorist tendencies. Perhaps these so called leaders of this nation need to taken up for their suggestions and or implying of taking up aggression against its own citizens. sure sounds like what im hearing from the left from their media puppets.
Report Post »enduro
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 4:23pmI am going to state what everyone else is afraid to say: it is time to ban the practice of islam in America. Burn the quarans and round up the muslims. I said it, let me be first. Islam is not a religion but a way of life.
Report Post »Berealalready
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 4:41pmYou are jumping to conclusions about this. Even if you turn out to be correct that this act was the work of an Islamic Whack Job our constitution still dictates that we co-exist with the non-whack job Muslims. I was researching my family tree yesterday and saw my grandfather’s written oath of loyalty from 1924. I wonder if the state department still requires this of legal immigrants? Anyone know? Life in a free open society can be dangerous and/or infuriating at times, but I would not have it any other way.
Report Post »AmeriCat
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 6:04pmYou have an “Oath of Loyalty” in your family history? Terrific!.
That’s the way it should be!
And here, it looks like an “Abdullah” murdered our National Guard!
Whether related or not…
Report Post »Islam is the Antithesis of our Constitution, Equal Opportunity, Freedom.
….NOT compatible with the Western Civilization way of life,
but you already know that.
Mil Mom
Posted on September 7, 2011 at 12:51am@Berealalready
Report Post »Posted on September 6, 2011 at 4:41pm
You are jumping to conclusions about this. Even if you turn out to be correct that this act was the work of an Islamic Whack Job our constitution still dictates that we co-exist with the non-whack job Muslims. I was researching my family tree yesterday and saw my grandfather’s written oath of loyalty from 1924. I wonder if the state department still requires this of legal immigrants? Anyone know? Life in a free open society can be dangerous and/or infuriating at times, but I would not have it any other way
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Recently heard a caller on either Rush or Hannity discussing his/her “Oath of Citizenship”, could this be the same thing?
Darren
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 4:19pmMay God rest the souls of the two military and one nonmilitary who fell to the gunman. May God also provide peace to the surviving loved ones of these three heros and individuals as well as to those wounded and to their loved ones.
During instances like this I automatically wonder if and Islamist or another from other militant group. I guess only time will tell. If it’s the former, expect little to no news coverage from the mainstream media but if its the latter, well, they’ll report volumes on how crazy the gunman and his beliefs were.
A sad reality.
Report Post »angelcat
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 4:24pmI too pray for those injured and killed. I agree totally we will only hear much about this if it can be pinned on someone somehow associated with conservatives or their ideas. Otherwise it will be downplayed. If no religion or allegiance is mentioned, we can probably safely assume it is a Muslim or someone more aligned with liberal values and ideas.
Report Post »Hope4US
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 4:19pmIt is tragic that these people who serve our country are in harms way in the US. I pray for their families. I am sorry that society is declining so far that this is how we express discourse, where it the outrage of the vitriol in the public. The value of human life, respect and decency have gone the way side and we are seeing the decline of society. This will not go away without the influx of real values and morals in our society, we must stop pretending that we must accept everyone’s point of view. There is good and evil right and wrong….teach your family, help your neighbor and pray for our country.
Report Post »Faded G
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 7:46pmAmen, could not of said it better.
Report Post »team1blazer
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 4:18pmYep, got to be another right wing tea partier….NOT. The caustic talk from the left is inciting this violence; crazy people being stirred up by Hoffa, Waters, Sharpton… Look out folks, I see another gun grab coming our way.
Report Post »Carl1 Supports Israel
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 4:17pmSounds like a nut job may have took Hoffa’s advise??? O-blah-blah should be happy.
Report Post »mikenleeds
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 4:15pmonly one question? is ( the subject ) a muslin terrorist or just some mentally ill liberal?
Report Post »Micmac
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 4:20pmMSM will spin it into “Tea Party influenced radical”.
NoBama 2012
Report Post »angelcat
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 4:22pmI’m waiting for the MSM to surmise that the shooter was a Tea Party member or angry conservative. They don’t need to have any evidence – those are their default scapegoats.
Report Post »team1blazer
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 4:11pmGod of mercy, be with the families of those injured and killed. There are some real sick people in this world, and the rhetoric coming out of the democrap party is spurring them on.
Report Post »TSUNAMI-22
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 4:06pmI bet the dolts in Washington DC are feeling fortunate that this happened in Harry Reidville for gun control rhetoric purposes.
Remember, it was the fault of the gun – not the deranged perpetrator.
Report Post »chicago76
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 4:02pmThe shooter goes into ihop starts shooting military people, shoots as many as he can, then, when he realizes he will be captured, commits suicide. Sounds like a suicide mission to me. He went there expecting to die. What, do they need to strap bombs on their backs to tell us. Or must they send a letter stating it.
Report Post »cessna152
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 4:14pmI am sure some MSM nut will label him a Right Wing Zealot…
Report Post »Chuck Stein
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 3:55pmA self inflicted wound does not sound like a terrorist attack — most likely a lone nut job.
Report Post »MODEL82A1
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 4:04pmRight, because Islamic terrorists never kill themselves……
Report Post »Chuck Stein
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 4:16pm@ Model82a1
Report Post »Actually, Islamic extremists DO kill themselves. It is actually terribly common (the 9-11 attacks, suicide truck bombers, suicide vest equipped murderers, etc.). In the situation presented, though, a terrorist would be much more likely to bring a lot of ammo and shoot until subdued and maybe off himself when he could kill no more. Think of the Fort Hood attack and you will get the picture.
MODEL82A1
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 4:27pmMy point, CHUCK, you Simpleton, is that the VAST majority of Islamic terrorist attacks ARE suicide attacks (and everyone knew that, even before your childish explanation). You did manage to cite the ONE that wasn’t. Get the picture? Didn’t think so.
Report Post »Chuck Stein
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 4:38pmWell, MODEL, if IEDs somehow constitute “suicide attacks”, then I will concede to your point. Well argued, sir.
Report Post »Mil Mom
Posted on September 7, 2011 at 12:57am@Chuck Stein
Report Post »Posted on September 6, 2011 at 4:16pm
@ Model82a1
Actually, Islamic extremists DO kill themselves. It is actually terribly common (the 9-11 attacks, suicide truck bombers, suicide vest equipped murderers, etc.). In the situation presented, though, a terrorist would be much more likely to bring a lot of ammo and shoot until subdued and maybe off himself when he could kill no more. Think of the Fort Hood attack and you will get the picture
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You left out the “Fruit of the Loom” bomber! (Or should we say looney loon bomber?)
Chuck Stein
Posted on September 7, 2011 at 3:44pmYes, Mil Mom, I did leave out Mr. Underwear (and Mr. Shoe, for that matter).
Report Post »BTW, I regret having responded to Model as I did — it is so easy to respond sarcasticly when addressed with sarcasm. I really should not have responded at all and left it to readers’ common sense to differentiate between different TYPES of Islamofascist attacks and the different tactics associated with a suicide bombing vs. a gunman attack (which, even if death of the gunman is anticipated, it would not be by a self-inflicted wound when other innocents could be murdered).
MONICNE
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 3:53pmThis article is uncalled for. Let the Guard mourn for its own, and let us citizens support them for their service and sacrifice.
TEA
MODEL82A1
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 4:11pmIf there was a meeting meeting of button, t-shirt & hat-wearing Carson City Young Democrats happening in the restaurant at the time of the attack, would you make any assumptions and demand an investigation into the gunman’s motives (and background, radio-listening-habits, political affiliation, etc)?
Report Post »I.Gaspar
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 4:13pmEven offering consolation…you are still an idiot.
Report Post »mikenleeds
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 4:17pmlet s pray for their family s ..TEA
Report Post »mpierce
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 4:56pmLiberals will use this as another reason for gun control, but I carry a gun because I can’t carry a cop. Too bad the victims were not armed, if they were they might have been able to protect themselves.
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 6:39pmIts own? They are us and we are them. They are citizen soldiers who take an oath to defend this country. You make it sound like they are in some exclusion zone that should only recognize their own kind. You sound a bit bigoted towards our servicemen and women.
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