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‘We Are Atheism’ Initiative Tries to Mimic Gay Rights Campaign to Get Non-Believers to ‘Come Out’

We Are Atheism Campaign Tries to Inspire Atheists to Come Out

The "We Are Atheism" symbol

Modeled after the well-known “It Gets Better” campaign, an initiative geared towards gays and lesbians, three non-believing University of Kansas college students have launched “We Are Atheism.”

The campaign hopes to encourage those who don’t have a belief in a higher power to “come out” and be open about their views. Amanda Brown, 25, who is one of the project’s co-founders, says that it’s time for atheists to “stand up, speak out and be counted.”

“It is time for us to put up our videos and change the face of atheism. We want people to see we are normal people who have children and lives and do good in the community,” she explains. ”The whole point of the website is to let younger atheists know you will face persecution. But through us knowing each other we can all help.”

Below, watch Brown discuss the project. In the video, she calls religion “stupid” and says, “It’s okay to be an atheist” (caution: language):

Brown, her husband and a friend started the campaign after hearing Jessica Ahlquist speak.  Ahlquist is a teen atheist who was bullied after rejecting a school prayer banner that has been on display in her high school.

Essentially, Brown’s effort serves two overall purposes: The first, as mentioned, is to encourage closeted atheists and to change the way that the general public views non-believers. Thus, the project is essentially a PR effort to change the perceptions that believers have about atheists.

To accomplish these goals, videos and personal essays from atheists are published on the “We Are Atheism” web site, where daily traffic has been known to climb into the thousands. Prominent names in the anti-faith movement have even produced their own videos for the cause. Take, for instance, David Silverman from American Atheists. His profile on the site reads:

I’ve been an atheist since I was a small child, and I’ve never been closeted.  I asked many questions, starting as early as 6 years old, but the answers were always hollow and nonsensical, even from my religion instructors.  After a short time, I realized that my Jewish education was a waste of my time, and of my parents’ money.

And here’s his video testimonial:

Here’s another atheist named Nathan Rodriguez, a man who claims he was a non-denominational Christian before abandoning his faith:

According to Brown, atheists of all ages have reached out to say that the site has helped them feel less isolated. Some have even claimed that it has encouraged them to “come out” to loved ones.

Brown, who as Religion News Service highlights, had experience founding a gay-straight club in her school, has modeled “We Are Atheism” on the gay community’s “It Gets Better” campaign — an effort intended to stem bullying. While the latter inspires closeted gay, lesbian, transgendered and bisexual individuals, the former is intended to inspire those who fail to believe in the Almighty.

The idea here is that by exposing people to non-believers, biases and prejudices against them will dissipate. The students behind the initiative have already scored the support of The Richard Dawkins Foundation, one of the premiere groups promoting atheism.

(H/T: Religion News Service)

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  • blackcatrun
    Posted on November 25, 2011 at 2:20pm

    One thing is for sure, this issue is about FAITH. One denys the other embraces.
    If one is to told to stop praying, pray louder. Fear nothing to walk with our Fathers hand firmly holding ours. God needs nothing for servants he needs his children right now. Let those who want to be in conflict fight themselves, I need nothing of this to become my burdon to carry for them.

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    • JESUS-IS-LORD
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 10:50pm

      You despicable and ungrateful humans. The Holy Father is angry with the wicked everyday. And for good reason. You deny that the LORD created you? Then you shall be rewarded for your iniquity. He will leave you to rot in your own filth and there will be nothing you can do about it until you repent. Praise GOD! Amen.

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    • BOGOTSTOGO
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 11:46pm

      I certainly don’t have enough faith to be an atheist.

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    • SLAPTHELEFT
      Posted on November 26, 2011 at 7:39am

      A far more effective campaign would be to team up with the Muslim brotherhood. Tell me that wouldn’t be a dream ticket! Atheists and radical Islam.

      But who am I to tell the godless heathens how to live their lives?

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    • SLAPTHELEFT
      Posted on November 26, 2011 at 7:44am

      God doesn’t believe in atheists.

      Did I just read that a 6 year old asked some really deep questions and received hollow answers from an instructor? Wow. Some kids still pee their pants at this age, but here we have a full on antirelgous scholar-at age six!

      These people are a joke. I hope they are able to come out of the closet when the sword of conversion is unsheathed. I never see these cowards reject any type of Muslim symbol. They are deathly afraid of Islam. I will share that statement with all who read about these fools until they prove me wrong.

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    • Exile
      Posted on November 27, 2011 at 8:09am

      From your own description, Jesus-is-Lord, your god is a horrible monster undeserving of worship.

      There is no God, grow up.

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  • John in Jackson
    Posted on November 25, 2011 at 1:48pm

    Recruiting others to speak out and organize about their similar beliefs about God…sounds like an Organized Religion to me.
    Keep your Religious beliefs to yourself, please

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    • nappy
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 2:39pm

      exactly! One thing about someone who is truly a non-believer.. they don’t join groups. It‘s part of my mental fabric not to be part of any ’belief’ organization. It’s part of why I chose not to follow any organized religion.

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    • Taquoshi
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 4:00pm

      The thing that continually baffles me is why they feel so threatened or in their own words “persecuted”. Granted, the holidays are just getting underway, but part of living in a free society is dealing with things that may not include you. Our household does not celebrate Halloween, May Day, Eid, Cinco de Mayo, Hanukkah or Chinese New Year.

      Personally, I deplore the emphasis on witchcraft, zombies vampires and all the horror flicks that populate the month of October, but I live with it.

      There seems to be a increasing amount of people who view things whether it be political or religious as if you do not agree with me, then you are automatically against me. Rarely is it that cut and dried. When people take a siege mentality, then they make mountains out of mole hills and oceans out of puddles. If that is truly the level they take it too, fine with me, but don’t drag me into the cat fight.

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    • Look4DBigPicture
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 7:11pm

      Well said JinJ … It sounds like an organized religion to me, as well. They are such hypocrites, but not unexpected from the liberal left-wing victim mentality.

      Seems to me that the argument is over. Everyone should now be allowed to exercise their freedom of religion without provocation. In order to respect others’ religious beliefs, atheists will no longer have the right to put up billboards bashing Christians, and Christians can no longer put up billboards bashing atheists … uhhhhh….actually, I don’t think Christians have ever done that – have they?

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    • InversionTheory
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 7:59pm

      Humans are social animals. We must have others to talk to or we tend to go insane. When you want to share your life, you seek out the like-minded.

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    • Cossack1981
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 10:30pm

      No zombies, Taquoshi? Aw, bummer! Zombies are so cool, though! Lol!

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    • goatrope67
      Posted on November 27, 2011 at 8:59am

      @ AMD1044, you say that Christians go around and practice their belief without bashing other people’s belief system yet you say: “Idiot: an adult who acts like a child. Fool: one who doesn’t believe in God. You are an idiot fool. ” Amazing. This is the kind of thing we Atheists see often…the “listen to what I say but don’t pay attention to what I do” ploy. It’s not as easy to turn off the noise from your religion as you may think. Take for instance the highway that runs straight through San Antonio, Texas…there are multiple, large-scale churches all along the highway, all with running message boards about your supposedly quiet religion. Then, there are the billboards that ask me if I’ve been saved or the one that says “Think God”. Now, if your religion kept itself inside and didn’t impose itself on every facet of society I might complain less. Take for instance lobby groups that pay money into political actions that change the laws we are all subjected too. What if I as an Atheist started a group of lobbyists and paid money into the political scheme to change a law that is counter to the Judeo-Christian based laws currently on the books? I bet your first instinct is to say something like “we won’t let your laws pass because they would be criminal” or some other tripe. But, what if I told you that if I were a lobbyist I’d just ask to buy beer on a Sunday, would you oppose? Probably because it was an Atheist that came up with it. It’s all about

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  • Cossack1981
    Posted on November 25, 2011 at 1:39pm

    I’ve noticed a common thread with most atheists: ignorance and arrogance. Now if you‘re an atheist and you’re thinking of letting me have it for that, hear me out a moment…

    Atheists love to gloat that they’re open minded, and that they’re the only ones who seem to ask questions. Neither could be further from the truth; they almost always start by insulting faith. And don‘t think people with faith don’t ask questions and have moments of doubt. The difference is, we don’t ignore or dismiss the answers when the are presented to us.

    The arrogance lies with atheists actually believing that they somehow know something the vast majority of the planet does not; that they are somehow wiser and more enlightened than billions of people the world over. For ages people have not only had faith in a higher power, but often come to that conclusion independently and without influence. Scholars and laymen alike. I am very analytical and scientific/fact driven. I asked many questions in my youth, neither believing nor disbelieving until evidence swayed me on way or another. Overwhelming evidence led me to have faith in God, independent of religeous influence.

    I’ve heard it said best by a soldier, who said he’s “been there, done that”, and in the thick of battle, when push comes to shove and the bullets are flying, he’s seen men of no faith pray God, but never a man of faith renounce God.

    Everyone knows the truth in their heart. Don’t ignore it, embrace it.

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    • ShawnB
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 2:10pm

      People have a right and that belief doesnt make them stupid or arrogant!

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    • symphonic
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 3:50pm

      Atheists have the horrible company of the worst mass murderers in the world, Mao and Stalin murdering over 100,000,000 people. That dwarfs by several orders of magnitude anything they say religion has done in all the history of the world, in this last century ALONE. Atheists are capable of anything, and we see what happens in the godless countries where god is outlawed and atheism becomes the state religion. We see genocide, no we see government murder on the scale never before seen. Wake up, atheism is DANGEROUS. So is homosexuality. Top 10 serial killers, 7 of them were homosexual men.

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    • InversionTheory
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 7:57pm

      Hi Cossack.

      I am an Atheist and we are certainly not open-minded. Mayhap you mean Agnostics. They’re open to evidence of the existence of God. I am not. The only evidence that would be useful would be for God to present himself and perform tricks under laboratory conditions and even people of faith don’t believe He would stoop so low. I am unwilling to listen to evidence from any ancient texts. The people who wrote the words on the page were so woefully ignorant that we don’t have any idea what they experienced and even so, personal experience doesn’t prove anything. Many passages we must flat out ignore because we do not want to live in a world without pork or shrimp or where it’s ok to sell your daughters into slavery.

      And Symphonic… I’m a gay man too. I’ll give you my gun and you can kill me. Put an end to my “dangerous” life, but then who is the dangerous, murderous one? I want only to live my life according to my desires. You can stop that, but only by killing me.

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    • amd1044
      Posted on November 26, 2011 at 7:49am

      Inversion theory, referencing a cranial-rectal inversion? We managed to go from discussing our beliefs to you suggesting that we would want to murder you. Idiot: an adult who acts like a child. Fool: one who doesn’t believe in God. You are an idiot fool.

      For the record, this country guarantees freedom of religion, not from it. You don’t have to participate in it, that is your right, but to go around denouncing others beliefs. Persecution of people for their beliefs is exactly what people came to this country to escape from.

      I doubt you can tell me what Catholics believe in that’s different from Southern Baptists. Go do a quick Google search now to try to sound educated. My point is that we have our beliefs and we share them in our places of worship with those who want to hear them. Sure we have radio stations and TV programs, you don’t have to watch them. Religion is a choice and in this country a right, leave it alone. If you want to share your beliefs go buy a piece of property and put a sign up and people who want to hear what you think will come to you. We don’t.

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    • SLAPTHELEFT
      Posted on November 26, 2011 at 7:55am

      Shawn and inversion

      Doesn’t affect me one bit how you believe. I don’t care. Now can you say that about me? No you can’t. Y’all call faith stupid and those who believe are idiots who waste their time reading fairytales. You waste more of your time trying to eradicate the traces of my religion than you do practicing your own non belief.

      Inversion- are you really scared that we want to shoot and kill you because you’re gay? No, sir, that is Islam that wants to pelt your head with stones. But you say nothing about Islam or Allah. And no, saying you don‘t want to live in a world where you can’t eat pork doesn’t qualify.

      Use your atheist money to put up an anti Ramadan billboard and you’ll have some credibility. Until then you will continue to be a joke.

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    • LawnDart
      Posted on November 28, 2011 at 3:47pm

      I see why you perceive “arrogance” in some atheists. I see it too, just as I see it in Christians. I see a bit of it in your post, too, as when you state that “everyone knows the truth in their heart” (yeah, I sure do, and it doesn’t involve talking snakes and immaculate conceptions.) But that’s OK–when it comes to such lofty topics, it is almost impossible not to see arrogance in the opposing view. So all things being equal on that front, we are left with the empirical evidence.

      Speaking of, I’m quite curious as to where you found this “overwhelming evidence” for your belief system. Lee Strobel? William Lane Craig? Michael Behe? Carm.org? Sorry, but their arguments are uniformly dubious. And when they do present sound evidence (e.g., Strobel convinced me that it’s very possible that a really nice guy named Jesus actually existed), it invariably fails to support their most significant assumptions (e.g., Strobel left me even more convinced that regardless of Jesus’ historicity, he was not divine, but was merely a cult leader among many other cult leaders of his time–the only substantive difference being that he was lucky enough to have Constantine the Great become a convert.)

      I am, however, puzzled that you chide atheists for “believing that they somehow know something the vast majority of the planet does not.” The truth of a religion, I guess? Well, there are thousands of religions, and all believers claim this sort of exceptionalism. Nothing “exceptiona

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  • Blazerilla
    Posted on November 25, 2011 at 1:35pm

    Whatever. All Americans have their First Amendment rights. Let them speak. The rest of us don’t have to listen.

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    • symphonic
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 3:52pm

      What? My first amendment rights includes the right to CORRECT them and point out that atheism is a dangerous VOID. Keep God out of your life, and guess who enters in? Yes, satan. Its a choice.

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  • honeyducote
    Posted on November 25, 2011 at 1:31pm

    “The project is essentially a PR effort to change the perceptions that believers have about atheists.” After seeing the hate-filled video, seems the perceptions are pretty spot on. Atheist are hateful bullies.

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    • Thomas
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 1:35pm

      Since atheists by the own words say that sanity and insanity are not based on the standard of Truth (reality) but dictated by society (popularity) and they are the minority shouldn’t we just declare them insane?

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    • mean_conservative_teacher
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 1:59pm

      I keep saying it. Atheists are deciding, en masse, to start playing the victim card. Naturally, the idea of their victimhood couldn’t be further from the truth. But it works so very well in attacking the majority: guess they couldn’t resist. Atheists are not forced to pray, but they do cause the religious to be forbidden to do so. Atheists do not have their Dawkins books banned or confiscated, but they do force schools and other public places to ban and confiscate Bibles. Atheists aren’t assumed by their philosophical opponents to be ignorant, stupid, mentally deficient, deluded, mindless sheep, but these are exactly the words that they themselves use to describe believers. No one uses the courts to force atheist public expressions of their beliefs to be removed and destroyed, but atheists routinely attack the display of crosses, creches, the Ten Commandments, etc. and succeed in persecuting the religious thus. The atheists are in no way being persecuted. They are the ones doing the persecuting, and now they are seeking the protection of victimhood status in order to do so unchallenged.

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    • ShawnB
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 2:11pm

      @Tomas youre insane because what are you then suggesting? If youre an atheists then you’re insane?

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    • American Soldier (Separated)
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 3:49pm

      No one is saying you can’t pray, just not force people in public situations from it.

      Prayer in school. It’s school. It‘s public and most children are forced to go to school thus it shouldn’t be something officially mandated to allow prayer. Now I would be more then fine with students and teachers that want to meet up early, off hours of course, to pray together as a choice, I’m all for that. But it shouldn’t be mandatory.

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    • Thomas
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 5:48pm

      I am suggesting that atheists should have to live according to their own standards and words. In fact if atheist lived by what they preached perhaps more would consider their so called logic?

      1)Atheists say that we are only animals then they should not be allowed in out in public without leashes?

      2) Atheists say that we are only material then then they should allow them self to only be treated as material and quit complaining?

      3) Atheists say that reality may exist but our perception of it must remain subjective. That means that according to their own words they do not have a grasp on reality and so they should be treated as such and also their words.

      Is there anything wrong with expecting Atheists to live according to their own words? Atheists listen: you do not have a right to tell me what to believe but if you really believe what you are saying then you should prove it by living according to it and allowing us to treat you accordingly.

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    • mean_conservative_teacher
      Posted on November 26, 2011 at 9:08am

      Hey, AS, no one’s going around with an AK-47 forcing anyone to pray. They never have.

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    • goatrope67
      Posted on November 27, 2011 at 9:03am

      @ Thomas, we are not trying to get you to believe how we do. We just want to be able to express ourselves the way we do without fear of reprisal.

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  • sgorney
    Posted on November 25, 2011 at 1:27pm

    Hopefully we can pass some laws to stop the discrimination and bigotry happening to atheists. They need to be protected. And make sure that “teach” about atheism in fairness in the schools, because it is not religion. It is much more scientific. They need to feel safe to “come out” and profess their truthiness. Does anyone smell this? The absurdity rises to new levels on a daily basis. Yes pray for them, but pray for Christ to return as well.

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  • GodHatesFigs
    Posted on November 25, 2011 at 1:25pm

    Matthew 5:22
    But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

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  • banjarmon
    Posted on November 25, 2011 at 1:24pm

    Amanda Brown, who is one of the project’s co-founders, says that it’s time for atheists to “stand up, speak out and be counted.”

    Amanda….SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP…..WE OUT NUMBER YOU!!!

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    • goatrope67
      Posted on November 27, 2011 at 9:05am

      Exactly why we have to stand up and make ourselves heard. Because you outnumber us and say stuff like this…

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  • packa14
    Posted on November 25, 2011 at 12:57pm

    well I well be darned I kinda suspected it now it appears to be true it is in writing atheists are queer wow.

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  • macpappy
    Posted on November 25, 2011 at 12:52pm

    Support group, huh. Why do athiest feel that they need to compete with the “Christians” only? I don’t see any of them posted up by the local mosque. Why is that? Would one of you local troll athiest please enlighten me on this point? I am not sure about the gay deal, I think it is a socialist thing first, which could lead to a gay thing I guess.

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    • Balpit
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 12:58pm

      Not just atheists. Anti-religious atheists. Even those who hate Islam more than Christianity will go after Christianity first. Why? Because it’s an easier target.

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    • GodHatesFigs
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 1:20pm

      I think it is because a majority of the people here in the US are Christian, not Muslim.

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    • macpappy
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 3:19pm

      @godhatesfigs
      I think it is because Christians don’t cut your head off for ******* them off. My point is that for me, a non believer of any religion, is “live and let live”. Especially the Christians, since they are willing to live and let live. The muslims hate me because I am not muslim, so I hate them back for hating me.

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    • InversionTheory
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 8:05pm

      I’m most familiar with Christianity… I was raised in the tradition. If Mexico and Sri Lanka both declared war on the US… Which one would we attack first? I would think the one that was closest to home and most threatening.

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    • ScienceIsNotEvil
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 10:57pm

      Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Christopher Hitchens and many more atheists have spoken out against Islam and other religions which you would have know had you done a simple youtube search.

      So ask yourself why you don’t know about this? Was it due to others lying to you?

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    • goatrope67
      Posted on November 27, 2011 at 9:06am

      Actually it’s “religion”, not Christianity that we need to stand up too. It just happens that Christianity is the #1 prevailing religion in the U.S. So, it only makes sense that you would find offense from a purely Christian perspective and why Atheists in the U.S. seem to target Christianity. But, if you read all of the messages, it’s religion that we oppose. Not Christianity specifically.

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    • BernieKittyCat
      Posted on November 28, 2011 at 8:21am

      I wish I had the money to buy an Atheism Rules bill board in Dearbornistan.

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  • GTH
    Posted on November 25, 2011 at 12:51pm

    Fine! If Atheism is YOUR choice than FINE…Just don‘t try to push what you believe on me and I won’t try to push what I believe on you.
    Simple as that.

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    • goatrope67
      Posted on November 27, 2011 at 9:08am

      We wish it was as simple as that. Unfortunately religion tries to push it’s belief on anyone that does not believe. When was the last time you had an Atheist missionary show up at your house and try to persuade you to listen to their beliefs? It hasn’t even been a week since the last Mormon came to my house…and less than a month since the last Jehovah’s Witness…

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  • Balpit
    Posted on November 25, 2011 at 12:49pm

    They call religion stupid and those who believe in God “idiots”, then they cry that believers persecute them. It’s not “persecution”, it’s “resentment over stuck-up, disdainful attitudes”. Here’s an idea: stop treating believers like idiots and inbred hicks. Other atheists have tried that…and they earned respect!

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    • SecularConservative
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 1:11pm

      good point.

      Bump :)

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    • agameofthrones
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 1:51pm

      Absolutely. You cannot have a double standard where you bash religion and demand respect for your disbelief. You are entitled to not believe just as those who are believers are entitled to their belief. Try backing off bashing Christianity and concentrate on being decent human beings. You cannot force people to accept you, but you can behave acceptably and become known for that.

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    • goatrope67
      Posted on November 27, 2011 at 9:11am

      @ Balpit…as an Atheist I agree with you. However, look at it this way…for every smart Atheist that is willing to talk respectfully there are 5 that want to talk smack. The EXACT SAME THING can be said of those of a religious nature. If each of the smart ones would go back to their respective corners and get those in that corner to follow suit we might prevail. But, as long as we have the noise makers on both sides it will be just like the political rhetoric playing out on our mainstream media….

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  • Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
    Posted on November 25, 2011 at 12:48pm

    “… the former is intended to inspire those who fail to believe in the Almighty.”

    Wow. That language is loaded for bear.

    I do not FAIL in any fashion with regard to my Atheist faith. I succeed in having faith in myself, in humanity, in science, in the knowability of all things knowable, not merely imaginable. Religionists FAIL to use their own intellect, reason, and rationality with respect to the knowable and they FAIL to distinguish between the knowable and the imaginable.

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    • Itchee Dryback
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 1:10pm

      Your comment seems to make you a hypocrite…a kind of ‘know it all’ hypocrite.

      Can you see how I arrived at that conclusion?

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    • Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 1:14pm

      No. I can’t. Would you please point out how you came by that conclusion?

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    • capecodsully
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 1:23pm

      Those who know the Lord also know that He gave us intellect, reason and rationality to use in our daily lives, not to reject. You claim to have “knowability in all things knowable”, yet claim that those things you have no knowledge of must be pure imagination in others. This is the typical mindset of the short sighted atheist, if I’m not aware of it, it must not exist.
      Good luck with your faith in humanity and science, both have been corrupted and have been used to murder and enslave mankind.

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    • Al J Zira
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 1:49pm

      First off: out of respect please don’t call me a religionist, I’m a Christian. Second; why is it Ok for you to have faith in man yet wrong for me to have faith in God? If I asked you to prove your faith in man, could you? Because I could surely point out the faults in putting your faith solely in man, there a thousands of years of recorded history that testifies to that flawed belief.
      Third, having faith in science is probably the most flawed of all beliefs. Didn’t science at one time believe the earth was flat and that bleeding a person cured their illnesses? And now we get global warming. Need I say more?

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    • Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 1:52pm

      “I succeed in having faith [...] in the knowability of all things knowable…”

      Your reading for understanding leaves much to be desired. I did not claim to, as you say, “to have ‘knowability in all things knowable’”. Even a surface reading of my actual words would make them seem to be tautological. “Everthing which is knowable is knowable.“ But a deeper reading shows it to be a delineation of two different types of ”knowability”. I do not believe in the knowability of religion, that I can know a religious fact based purely upon its revelation to me in the words of a church elder or of a holy book.

      I believe in the knowability of science, that things I am told or read must be backed up by reason and, quite distinct from religion, experimentation. Epistemology. Look it up.

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    • iblvingd
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 1:55pm

      Please give MORE THAN ONE example each of what is knowable and what is imaginable. Maybe it will help me understand how it is that you know that the intelligence of other people is something they imagine.

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    • Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 1:57pm

      “Good luck with your faith in humanity and science, both have been corrupted and have been used to murder and enslave mankind.” And how, oh how, did I miss this on my first pass through?

      So… are you saying that religion has NOT been corrupted and used to murder and enslave mankind? Think long and hard before responding to this.

      @ Al J Zira:
      But if I just addressed myself to “Christians” than one might incorrectly think that I was not simultaneously addressing Jews and Muslims and Hindus and Buddhists and practitioners of Norse, Greek, or Druidic Paganism. The fact is I address all religions when I delineate my Atheism from their belief systems, and so, to save time and remain as clear as I possibly can, I address myself to all Religionists.

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    • Yut Yut 1775
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 2:00pm

      @capecodsully. so has every religion on this planet. just sayn.

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    • Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 2:10pm

      @ Al J Zira:
      Yes. Science can change. That is its strength, not its weakness. When religion holds a fact up to be religious truth, because god said so, or a prophet wrote it in a holy book, or a holy man deduced it from the writings in the holy book, it is claimed to be true then, now, and for all time, forever and ever (amen). The problems arise when a truth HAS to change because holding it to be true is just not tenable any longer. The Sun orbitting around the Earth thing was not scientific truth. THAT was religious truth, falsified by science. Changing that religious truth cost many people their lives.

      When a scientific truth has to change, no one has to die.

      @ IBLVNGD:
      If it’s provable via the Scientific Method, it’s knowable. If it is not provable via the Scientific Method, it is not knowable, even as it remains imaginable. I can imagine that there‘s a 3’ tall pink unicorn behind my sofa. That is knowable. It’s knowable to be true or false, because it’s provable. I prove it by direct observation. I look behind the couch. If there‘s a 3’ tall pink unicorn back there, it’s proven true. If there is no 3′ tall pink unicorn, it’s proven false. That is science.

      Since no religion wants its deities’ existence proven false, they hold them to be “ineffable”. Ineffable is another word for unprovable, hence unknowable… but still imaginable, as billions of Religionists prove every day.

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    • iblvingd
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 2:12pm

      Please explain what is knowable and what is imaginable, and how it is that you know that what other people believe is imaginable.

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    • capecodsully
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 2:19pm

      Knowledge of God is based upon revelation by God Himself, not a church or elder or any other third party. Each man has his own relationship with God that is not subject to anyone else.

      Science can not always be backed up by reason or fact, global warming and darwinism are two good examples. Science can be anything a scientist or the government he is working for want it to be.

      If man follows the word of YHWH, he can not use it for destruction, it is only when he makes his own rules that he harms others in the name of God. There are also islam a demonic religion that calls for the destruction of other human beings.

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    • capecodsully
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 2:32pm

      The words of the Prophets, inspired by God, written thousands of years ago are still being proven true today. Science can only wish for that kind of accuracy.

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    • Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 2:36pm

      @ IBLVNGD:
      “Please explain what is knowable and what is imaginable, and how it is that you know that what other people believe is imaginable.”

      Because Religionists tell me their god’s non-existence can’t be proven every time I debate one. If a god’s non-existence can’t be proven, then its existence can’t be proven either. Something that is unprovable is unknowable, and will remain so no matter how much you imagine it to exist.

      @ Cape Cod Sully:
      “Knowledge of God is based upon revelation by God Himself, not a church or elder or any other third party. Each man has his own relationship with God that is not subject to anyone else.”

      So, you do concede that religion is based on revelation. Maybe not revelation solely, but at least revelation predominantly. I mentioned epistemology earlier, and had to argue it with another Blazer a month back.

      There are not one, but three ways of knowing. Revelation is the last and weakest form of knowledge. After revelation, there is reason. Does the knowledge make logical sense? And the strongest form of knowledge is experimentation. Do it for yourself. If it worked, it was true. If it didn’t work, it was false, or there was something wrong with your experiment. Adjust your experiment and try again. If your experiments consistently do not bear out the knowledge as true, then it most likely is false. Repetition, experimentation, falsifiabilty. That is science. Religion doesn’t like those things.

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    • VinnieCCT
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 2:38pm

      When an atheist claims science all they are really saying is “I will believe it when I see it.” The fact is that science proves more that there was a beginning and that it came about by intelligent design. (I’m referring to REAL science here)

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    • Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 2:39pm

      Kinda ran out of space there. To address your second quoted statement above… how are we then to distinguish one man‘s religion from another man’s mental illness? Just askin’.

      Per your second post, even assuming ad argumentum that that is true, that is not accuracy. That is consistency, and I think we all know of what a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin.

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    • 100 Million Patriots Standing
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 2:40pm

      And by default I assume your political beliefs are Liberal/Democratic/Socialist and a UN-Al Gore NWO global warming believer without any evidence except what the scientist and politicians tell you.

      I have no problem with your free will to believe as you wish, why do you have a problem with mine.

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    • Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 2:51pm

      @ Vinnie CCT:
      Did you see last night’s Nova episode? Brian Greene ran down existing scientific theories on a universe vs. a multiverse. It could very well be that there was not one beginning, but several, separate beginnings. None of which needs an intelligent designer to have occurred. In the first episode of Curiosity https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Curiosity_%28TV_series%29 , Stephen Hawking talked about how a Big Bang works. In it, not only is all energy that will ever exist in the universe (whether part of a multiverse or not) created, but the three physical dimensions are also brought into existence. And since time is just another dimension to the universe, time itself is brought into existence at the Big Bang. So, what created the Big Bang? Nothing. There was no time through which a designer, intelligent or otherwise, could move in order to act toward the initiation of the Big Bang.

      The universe is as it is because of a handful of scientific, mathematic constants. If those constants are off one way or the other by just a mind-numbingly small amount, 10^120 in one example from last night’s Nova ep, then the universe’s physical laws are completely different.

      Given enough universes with enough combinations of constants, and you’re bound to wind up with a universe with a you and a me. God, it seems, does play dice with the universe… and does nothing else.

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    • capecodsully
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 3:00pm

      You may falsely believe that religion does not like science, but God is science. Science is blindly trying to figure out what God already knows. Many of the great early scientists were believers, some who were divinely inspired, some given revelation knowledge.
      Einstein thought atheism was foolishness.

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    • Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 3:01pm

      @ 100 Million Patriots Standing:
      Well, you know what they say when you “assume”.

      I’m an arch-Conservative. An Objectivist Libertarian. Laissez-Faire Capitalist. I want the US out of the UN and the UN out of the US. Al Gore can go screw himself in his sea-side mansion while waiting for the ocean to rise and swallow it up, and the NWO can have my guns bullets first via expedited air-mail.

      I have no problems whatsoever with anything that anyone wants to believe. As long as it’s just belief, it’s just inside your head. Nothing which is inside your head can harm me inside my home. I take issue with certain beliefs when they come out of the believers’ heads and want to act upon me and mine.

      The fight to shoe horn Creationism into schools and Evolution and the Big Bang Theory out of schools is the fight to teach religion in schools to the exclusion of science. That, I have a problem with.

      The fight to enforce legal marriage as being exclusively between one man and one woman (by some vague and nebulous definitions of the words man and woman) is the fight to enforce the ultra-modern Christian ideal of marriage to the exclusion of all others who do not share those religious tenets. That, I have a problem with.

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    • A Conservatarian
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 3:08pm

      Rhetorical question Hollow, but how do you offer disproof for a word that is concept-less?

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    • Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 3:17pm

      Einstein also didn’t like quantum mechanics. I already paraphrased his quote regarding it. And he REALLY did not like quantum entanglement, calling it “spooky action at a distance.” Quantum physics is an accepted truth these days. The computer you’re typing on would not function if it were not for our modern understanding of quantum physics. The fact that Einstein didn’t like it is meaningless, other than it is a prime example of why I try not to idolize scientists, only their science.

      And the thing is, there’s really not much left for god to “already” know and us to find out. The more we learn THROUGH SCIENCE about the universe we inhabit, the less room we’re finding for god to move. As I said, what kind of options did god really have in the setting of constants like the Hubble Constant? Every decade brings more insight into that number. And if the number were different than it is, it would mean we would have to inhabit a fundamentally different universe than we do. If god “decided” the Hubble constant should be 10^120th less or greater than it is, it would have been a decision NOT to create a universe in which life can exist.

      So, I’m content to let you and your god operate in your universe as you see fit, because in my universe, there are precious few hiding places for god to inhabit anymore. Too many rocks have been overturned, too many sofas have been looked behind, and he has yet to be found.

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    • capecodsully
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 3:25pm

      Nice to know scientists like Hawking have it all figured out, we can all sleep easier now. Like I said scientists create whatever reality they wish to exist and some people are all to willing to go along because it fits a political agenda.

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    • Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 3:37pm

      No, see, there’s actually only one reality which exists, and it’s the one against which scientists test their hypotheses. The ones who refuse to accept reality are the Religionists because the science based on it doesn’t fit their religious agenda. That agenda, of course, being the teaching of pablum in public school science classrooms and forbidding certain people from entering into legal marriage contracts, just to name a few.

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    • iblvingd
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 3:41pm

      Scientific methods are not all proven. Science is nothing more than the perspective, speculation and conjecture of men on certain subjects they find profound and feel the need spread their findings as all knowing. Science is all open ended and can be proven or dis-proven. Carbon dating for one is not a proven science. Man cannot prove the age of the earth. Science is constantly changing. Yes, you can proven there is a unicorn behind your sofa because it is in the present time. Anything from the past becomes totally conjecture on the part of man, scientific or religious.

      It is your perspective only when you say people cannot prove that God exists. If a man is touched by the Spirit of God, he KNOWS God, but you don‘t don’t have that same knowledge so you can only imagine (what ever you want to). There are and have been men on this earth who have seen God. This is something they KNOW, and again you can only imagine and like science you would have to prove or disprove.

      It seems that all religions including yours is built on Faith that it exists. Please don’t assume for others where their intelligence lies or how they use their intelligence. It is called free agency. Many men have died in the name of religion, science, money, greed, power etc. Humanity is extremely fallible and is why putting your faith in humanity is risky at best.

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    • capecodsully
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 3:53pm

      There is no such fight in America to take science out of schools and replace it with creationism, only to give creationism consideration. There is no religious belief that is in one’s head. There is also no religious belief that is coming to get homosexuals in their homes, well at least not until islam takes over. You are a victim of homosexual hysteria. As well as extremely disrespectful of anyone who thinks differently from yourself.
      The problem with homosexual marriage is that everywhere it is legal, homosexuals are suing Christians and denying them freedom of religion. Christian values are under attack in America and your crying about someone coming to get you in your home, pitiful.

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    • scarebear83
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 5:20pm

      “So, what created the Big Bang? Nothing. There was no time through which a designer, intelligent or otherwise, could move in order to act toward the initiation of the Big Bang.”

      So what if I told you that the computer you’re using to respond to this article was made without a designer. You‘d think I’d been knocked off my rocker. Now let’s think about this for a minute, time, space, and matter are all linked to one another right? Right. Now if all were created at the same time then whoever created them would be outside the realm of time, space, and matter correct? Thus the natural laws set up for us would not apply to our Creator as He is on the outside of it (think of a painter who made a wonderful painting… if someone comes and stabs it does the painter bleed? No). So Whoever created this universe is not bound to time, space, or matter and thusly can move and live without time, space, and matter. Only humans are feeble enough to think that our Creator has to be bound to the same natural laws as us.

      And to say everything we see today came from absolutely nothing beforehand, well it’s quite impossible and not very scientific is it?

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    • LadyLibertykicksASS
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 6:44pm

      Sir Issac Newton, Einstein and a great number of Intellectuals and Scientists were, and are firm believers in GOD. How do you explain that….? Are they stupid, uneducated, village Idiots??? No they were not !! l believe that we are all entitled to our own beliefs, and in fact that Atheism is a Religion. The tyrants who have killed hundreds of millions of human beings in the past 200 yrs were all Atheists. Mao, Stalin, and Hitler…not a Theist among them. They believed that they were their own god, and that they did not have to conform to civilized behavior. They were also suffering from serious emotional and mental health issues. I am always amazed at how much vitriol atheists espouse over a subject that they profess not to believe in. Why is that ? I have always been curious about other religions, why they believe what they believe…but have never felt the need to verbally assault them, or to try and change their beliefs. I live my life by Christianity as best I can. ft someone engages me in discussion of what I believe, I explain and I never “beat them over the head”. Why are Atheists so angry towards Christianity? Why aren’t they angry at Muslims??? Muslims mistreat women, violate children sexually and would like nothing better than to murder everyone who is not a Muslim. Not to mention what they do to gay men and women in their own country. Instead of shouting at each other, it’s time to have a conversation !.

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    • joe1234
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 7:29pm

      “The ones who refuse to accept reality are the Religionists because the science based on it doesn’t fit their religious agenda.”

      yeah the religion of darwinism…because the science sure doesn’t fit their racist atheist faith of evolution…nothing in the fossil record, nothing in the lab, no junk dna, no vestigial organs…evoluiton is nothiing more than faith.

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    • Trance
      Posted on November 26, 2011 at 11:55pm

      @Lesbian Packing Hollow Points

      I just wanted to say that I very much enjoyed reading your debates. Your soft temperament and straight facts make for a very effective argument. I’ve always felt a bit alone with my beliefs. Constitutional libertarian, pro-capitalist, atheist, pro human liberty (including gay marriage). So, thank you for saying what I believe with far more eloquence than I could muster.

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    • goatrope67
      Posted on November 27, 2011 at 9:17am

      @ Al Ji Zirra (sp?) …yes you’d need to say more. Having faith in science does not mean we turn a blind eye to the failings of the past. The beauty of science is its willingness to grow, to change. When “scientists” in the past were saying the earth was flat they were using the Bible as a key reference. They had no tools to correct their mistake. When they did start making those corrections religion attempted to shut them down and keep the message that the earth was flat. Did you know that there are still groups within the world that believe the earth is flat? Anyway…I digress. The point is that science makes corrections. It’s okay to have faith in science when you see it as fallible. If you go into it thinking it‘s perfect then you’ve traveled into a realm that creates dogma, which stifles the ability of science to make corrections, which makes faith the only thing you have left to cling too.

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  • wdvander
    Posted on November 25, 2011 at 12:46pm

    So atheists only need a website to feel better about their choices and gain the courage to come out to their family. Homosexuals and all those other “sexuals” feel the need to be together and come out to family to be whole in their personhood.

    Atheists are aligning with other fringe belief groups to give themselves a sense of importance. It says a lot about a group when mocking the tactics of the homosexual lobby to provide comfort in thier decisions.

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    • Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 2:12pm

      And Christians only need weekly support group meetings.

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    • binge_thinker
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 10:44pm

      I will contend that people who refuse to believe in God or in “a” god, always believe in magic. When you examine science with the assumption that no one designed anything, you HAVE to believe in magic.
      What else would you call some of evolutionist’s theory that the first life was created when a bolt of lightning struck a pile of mud?

      What else would you call it when you realize how perfectly the solar system and the rest of the galaxies around us move in perfect synchronized patterns year after year, century after century?

      What else would you call it when one microscopic cell from a male and one microscopic cell from a female join together, re-shuffle thousands, if not millions, of pieces of genetic information, and a new organism is created? The new organism shares characteristics of both parents.

      You may choose not to believe in God, but your only real alternative then, is to believe in magic.

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  • qpwillie
    Posted on November 25, 2011 at 12:46pm

    Do atheists have a bible that starts out “In the beginning nothing created the heavens and the earth.”?
    And do they have to keep the 0 commandments?

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    • trampasaurusRex
      Posted on November 26, 2011 at 2:21pm

      No, we do not have a book written around 3,000 years ago that tells a story of the creation of the heavens and earth, that almost exactly mirrors the same story many other religions told well before said book claims the earth was even created. We do not have anything saying how the heavens were created, because OBVIOUSLY as atheists we do not believe in heavens. However we do have countless modern, fact based texts telling us what it was that created the earth. Spoiler alert: we don‘t think it was ’nothing’.
      No, we do not ‘have to keep the 0 commandments’, the ten commandments, or any commandments at all. BUT YOU DO. That is what this movement is trying to convey. I am an atheist and I would never steal from someone, lie other than to spare someone’s feelings, cheat, murder (or even hit) someone, etc. A Christian HAS to follow a certain set of rules to abide by their religion, I CHOOSE to live a moral life. This movement is about teaching non-Atheists that just because we do not believe someone is watching us, we do not believe there is a higher power telling us what to do, and we do not believe we will go to hell doesn’t mean we are immoral heathens running a muck. I volunteer because I want to, I do good to others because I want to, and to me that is more genuine than doing so out of force but I am still persecuted for my beliefs (for instance, your second comment is an ignorant remark about my morals).

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    • Trance
      Posted on November 27, 2011 at 12:00am

      The funny thing about atheists is we don’t need commandments to tell us what is right. I barely have to think about it to know it’s wrong to kill people or steal from them.

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    • BernieKittyCat
      Posted on November 28, 2011 at 8:27am

      @ Tramp What caused the Big Bang? Did anything exist before it?

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  • YepImaConservative
    Posted on November 25, 2011 at 12:40pm

    It seems atheism and homosexuality have much in common. And they’re doing their damnest to have the affirmation of other groups to give them security in their choice and so they push themselves into the arena hoping to eliminate opposition to their cause and try to generate support from as many groups as possible to convey a sense of legitimacy and normalcy. The atheist community like the homosexual community has made the decision to further its own goals and objectives even at the expense of societal peace and prosperity. If this were not the case they would be content and self assured with affirmation from fellow atheists and homosexuals with regard to their particular beliefs and lifestyle. So there must be another reason…

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    • joe1234
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 7:34pm

      wait aren’t you the red sox fan….in other words EVIL INCARNATE???

      oh yeah the cardinals won the series…HA

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    • trampasaurusRex
      Posted on November 26, 2011 at 2:31pm

      I do not need security or affirmation in being an atheist. I am proud to say that I have done a lot of research and came to the conclusion that I can only “believe” in things that are provable and factual, not “faith based”, which is the right decision for myself. This is about removing the stereotype that atheists are immoral people, “furthering it’s own goals and objectives at the expense of societal peace and prosperity” when in plenty of cases that is the furthest thing from the truth. I live a very moral life by choice and my chosen career is human service professional. I am sure there are plenty of immoral atheists, just as there are plenty of immoral Christians, but that doesn‘t mean we all are and I don’t like being treated or regarded as immoral.

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  • BertM
    Posted on November 25, 2011 at 12:36pm

    OK your are Athiests. If you do not want Christianity or any other faith pushed on you, Then don’t push yours. We need to agree to disagree in our beliefs. Go your own merry way and leave others alone. BTW, by pushing atheism you are pushing a religion, so you better think about it when you attempt to bring suit against other religions and government.

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    • trampasaurusRex
      Posted on November 26, 2011 at 2:33pm

      We aren’t attempting to push atheism, and your beliefs are pushed on us daily as our laws are formed off of Christian beliefs that we do not agree with. Plenty of things that have no effect on you, such as homosexual marriage, are outlawed because of Christian ideals. When did an atheist ever force you to do anything?

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  • AJAYW
    Posted on November 25, 2011 at 12:31pm

    Atheists say they don’t beleave in any god, so why in the heck do they ask to be paid holiday pay on the Christian holidays?

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    • SecularConservative
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 1:13pm

      just like only veterans should get Veterans’ Day off :)

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    • AJAYW
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 1:58pm

      @SecularConservative
      It should be that way,

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    • trampasaurusRex
      Posted on November 26, 2011 at 2:41pm

      I‘m pretty sure Christmas is the only ’Christian holiday’ atheists ask to be paid on (I could honestly be forgetting one), and that’s mainly because Christmas is definitely more than a Christian holiday. Also, I would be willing to work on Christmas but because most places are closed on Christmas I cannot, which means I would be losing pay, completely out of my control, solely because I am not a Christian.
      Side note: what percentage of Christmas is actually spent celebrating Jesus’ birth by Christians? I know most of my Christian friends only spend one hour of the whole Christmas season in church. What percentage of Easter is actually spend celebrating Jesus’ resurrection? Same situation with Christmas. Didn’t see anything about Santa, the Easter bunny, or gifts for yourself in the bible.

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  • Thevoice
    Posted on November 25, 2011 at 12:25pm

    What the hell does the guy have in his nose ….

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  • PlowMan
    Posted on November 25, 2011 at 12:21pm

    We should pray for them. I’m not making some kind of joke, all Christians should pray for the lost. An eternity without God should not be a goal of anyone. I really feel sorry for them.

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    • Jomil48
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 12:32pm

      psalm 14:1, the fool has said in his heart ” there is no God.”

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    • Mrs.M
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 12:48pm

      I agree Plowman. My first response was to pray. Yes I get frustrated at the amount of energy athiests pay to religon, but these young people are just lost. I hear the arguments from the young woman and I see how she got so lost. But she does not realize that there is no scientific evidence disputing God. She does not realize her arguments are actually a great starting point for a great relationship with God if she asks questions and listens for the answer. But she is young and very angry. I hope she finds her way.

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    • GodHatesFigs
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 1:23pm

      But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

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    • Hiswill
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 7:07pm

      Satan loves to blind the minds of unbelievers 2Corn. 4:4

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    • trampasaurusRex
      Posted on November 26, 2011 at 2:46pm

      I actually respect this small thread of comments, as you guys aren’t bashing atheists as people. You are backing your beliefs, being respectful and loving as Jesus tells Christians to be, and actually being concerned about our futures. That’s pretty cool.

      I do have a legitimate question, though. What do you think is the point of praying if all of our fate’s are predetermined? I am not mocking you guys at all, I’m being sincere.

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    • scarebear83
      Posted on November 29, 2011 at 4:26pm

      trampasaurusRex: Sorry for the late response, I didn’t see this comment until now. But in response to your question, the Bible does not teach that we are predetermined although denominations have implied by misuse of scripture that we are. What was predetermined though was God’s plan of salvation. He had this plan from the very beginning that those living under the New Testament hear, believe, confess, repent, and be baptized for the remission of their sins and remain faithful unto death will have life everlasting. God is no respecter of persons (Acts 10:34) but if He picks and chooses who to save and condemn then this passage means nothing; 1 Timothy 2:1 Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men, 2 for kings and all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence. 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. -The Lord desires all men to be saved, so that cancels out the whole idea that everyone is predestined to be saved or not. I hope that answers your question and if you have any more please feel free to ask!

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  • randy
    Posted on November 25, 2011 at 12:21pm

    Thus, the project is essentially a PR effort to change the perceptions that believers have about atheists.

    Not gonna happen!

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  • momrules
    Posted on November 25, 2011 at 12:20pm

    The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they,and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good. Psalm 53

    These people are anti Christ and and they speak in the spirit of the AntiChrist.

    My Christian heart aches for them, my human heart despises them.

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    • momrules
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 12:46pm

      Correction……….Psalm 14

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    • GodHatesFigs
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 1:36pm

      You should watch your words
      But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

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    • joe1234
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 7:35pm

      “GodHatesFigs
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 1:36pm
      You should watch your words

      ”

      you post scripture, and you don‘t even understand what you’re saying…kind of like your ‘father’ satan.

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    • GodHatesFigs
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 7:59pm

      Joe,
      I was just pointing out a weird contradiction in the Bible. I don’t believe in any gods, or Satan.

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    • joe1234
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 9:19pm

      “I was just pointing out a weird contradiction in the Bible. I don’t believe in any gods, or Satan.”

      thats not a contradiction.

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    • joe1234
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 9:21pm

      there is no anger in the verse a fool says in his heart there is no God…

      one is a factual statement…the other is an attitude of the person saying it….

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    • trampasaurusRex
      Posted on November 26, 2011 at 2:50pm

      Our father, ‘Satan’ … REALLY??!!

      This is the point of this movement. We obviously do not believe in any Satan, let alone claim he is our FATHER… However, as a Christian, you should believe that God is our father, too, and that he loves us just the same as you. The contradiction here is Christians being so condemning of other perfectly good people even though the belong to a religion that specifically teaches them to do the opposite!!

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  • sunnyblack
    Posted on November 25, 2011 at 12:18pm

    I’m a non-believer, but I freakin’ HATE atheists. Can‘t stand ’em.

    Most of the kids I grew up with were decent Tim Tebow types — very genuine, sincere, and committed church-going kids. I was lucky to know them and see firsthand what real decency looks like. I’ll never have a harsh words to say about believers.

    I don’t have a problem saying it — my church-going friends who were sincere and committed were much better human beings than my hip, sarcastic, progressive, atheist friends. By a very wide margin.

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    • SecularConservative
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 12:26pm

      I agree. Atheists as a whole are usually (not all of them) angry. I‘ve noticed it’s a phase though. Once an atheist gets a little older they tend to mellow out and just let people be and stop trying to make others stop believing whatever it is they believe.

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    • iblvingd
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 1:44pm

      Atheists are up and coming Satanists, they just haven’t arrived there yet.

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    • BetsyRoss1513
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 5:41pm

      Oh, I don’t know, I’ve met many “Christians” who were back-biting, petty, snotty, angry, vain, vengeful little minions.

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    • iblvingd
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 9:30pm

      I guess that makes any little vengeful minion and up and coming too!

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  • oldchevyguy
    Posted on November 25, 2011 at 12:12pm

    Will the ACLU make sure they don’t display their symbol in public?

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  • AvengerK
    Posted on November 25, 2011 at 12:06pm

    Let me get this straight…a support group for atheists? The self proclaimed, enlightened free thinkers with the strength to see beyond society’s religions needs a support group? Idiots.

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    • Gita
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 12:12pm

      They need a support group, though I don’t know what they will do upon their death for we are alone when we stand before God for judgement.

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    • SecularConservative
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 12:16pm

      I’m sure it depends on where they live. In Washington, for example, an Atheist would probably be okay. However, an Atheist in BFE Alabama in a KKK community, then yes, they may need a support group hahaha

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    • Winedude
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 12:29pm

      Idiots? How can you believe in something you can’t see nor that anyone can prove even exists. Please consider this…if God can prevents the bad things in life that happens to everyone but has chosen not to prevent them, (s)he certainly isn’t “all-good.” If he cannot prevent these bad things from happening, then (s)he is in now way “all-powerful.” I can keep going, regarding how a deity is not “all-knowing” either but I think you see my point. Way too many bad things in the world over the past 1000 years have be caused by religion. I don‘t say that there isn’t some sort of higher being but you can’t prove that it truly exists.

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    • lel2007
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 12:30pm

      There’s reassurance in numbers.
      Would you like being the only kid in the class to choose the wrong answer? I always consoled myself in learning most others got the answer wrong too. When everyone got the answer wrong, I could blame the teacher for OUR ignorance.
      These atheiststs in need of reenforcement are among those who believe “perception is reality”.

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    • thegrassroots
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 1:08pm

      @ winedude
      There is something very important that you aren’t factoring into your reasons for being an atheist. God Has Gifted Each Of Us With A Free Will.

      IF, in spite of all the roadsigns and even caring people waving red flags, a person insists on choosing a path leading to destruction God will not violate that persons free choice.

      We are living in a fallen world and today’s world is not the world God intended. Man’s choosing to go against His Creator is what got us all here.

      May I suggest that you read the Bible, beginning with The Gospel Of John. While reading, ask Jesus to reveal Himself to you and He will. Eternal decisions need to be made this side of Eternity; therefore, it’s extremely important that you have all the facts before making that Eternal Decision. You can find all the Facts and Truth you need in the Bible [John 3:16,17].

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    • Lenzman58
      Posted on November 25, 2011 at 1:29pm

      Good point.

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    • trampasaurusRex
      Posted on November 26, 2011 at 2:52pm

      @Winedude well said.

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    • goatrope67
      Posted on November 27, 2011 at 9:18am

      “Idiots”….way to argue your point.

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