‘We Have Never Seen Anything Like This Before’: Beck & the Military Weigh in on Army’s Public Training Exercises
- Posted on July 10, 2012 at 12:36pm by
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A couple weeks ago, the Blaze alerted you to the fact that the Army Reserves was conducting a training with armored vehicles on the residential streets and highways in St. Louis, Mo. Local news stations reported the story to residents saying they shouldn’t be alarmed should they see this training taking place.
Army specialists from Fort Meade were brought to train the 354th MP company in St. Louis on what one of the local reporters called “driver’s ed” for the military. Some, like Brandon Smith from Alt-Market in a guest post to the online publication Zero Hedge, wondered why this training was being conducted in public at all, especially given the fact that the military has some training facilities that model towns just without residents around.
So, why is the army conducting these trainings in public? Glenn Beck on GBTV — soon to be The Blaze TV — posed this question Monday.
“With an exception of parades, have you ever seen military humvees driving through your streets? Let me ask again. Have you ever seen them perform military exercises in the streets? Nope,” Beck said.
(Image: The Blaze TV screenshot)
In the segment, Beck notes that The Blaze TV staff contacted former army Lieutenant General Jerry Boykin to see just how routine this sort of training was. Lt. Gen. Boykin said it was bizarre and that, generally, trainings conducted in cities kept a low profile and didn’t interrupt daily activities.
Watch the clip:
Brandon Webb, editor-in-chief of SOFREP (the Special Operations Forces Report) and former Navy SEAL, echoed this sentiment saying in an email to TheBlaze.com that military trainings “should not interfere with normal routines of citizens and businesses.”
“When it does then that’s where you have to draw the line,” Webb said. This is not to say that the activities of those in St. Louis were disrupted.
Still, Webb noted that conducting trainings such as this in public makes sense in some instances and serves the purpose of making “the scenarios as real as possible.” He, like Beck, calls to mind some of the training operations observed in other U.S. cities. Webb points to the SEAL Team 6 and Delta missions; Beck noted the Blackhawk helicopters flying in Chicago earlier this year.
(Related: Why were low-flying military choppers darting between Chicago skyscrapers?)
What scenarios could the military be trying to make as real as possible? Beck had some ideas in his segment. Either a massive change in military training has taken place or the government is preparing for “something big,” such as a civil breakdown.
(Image: The Blaze TV screenshot)
Beck notes Boykin saying what is worrying about these public trainings is the conditioning they have on the public to a military presence. Smith on Zero Hedge too shared this concern and also pointed to an article in the Gateway Pundit that included video of residents saying the they thought having a military presence overall would be a good idea as it would help cut down on crime. At the time, Capt. William Geddes with the U.S. Army Reserves told KPLR that it is against federal law for the military to do police patrols.
Webb also said he thinks trainings such as these are conducted in public, rather than simulated facilities, because there are sometimes a lack of training facilities.
“While the BRAC (base re-alignment and closure) program was needed, it was not thoroughly thought out with regards to future growth under the Clinton administration,” Webb said. “An example is that San Diego lost Naval Training Center (NTC) and it was a massive and useful space for Military and Law Enforcement in the region. The land was donated to the city of San Diego who sold most of it for $1 to a local developer (Corky McMillan I believe). When you lose training areas and capacity you have spill over. It’s one reason that private training facilities have thrived in the midwest and east coast where land is cheap and easy to develop (as opposed to CA).”
Maj. Angel Wallace, a spokeswoman for the Army Reserve, explained that the press released issued to inform residents the training was taking place could be the reason it raised some eyebrows in the first place.
“It appears to have created more questions than the comfort it was originally trying to achieve,” Wallace said in a phone interview with the Blaze, noting that she had received some calls from concerned locals. “This is not a very exciting story. It is standard operation for us.”
Maj. Wallace went on to say that trainings, including those that involve transport of goods via military convoys from one location to another, are relatively common and coordinated with local law enforcement to ensure the activities of the general public are not impacted. Still, she said that perhaps it seemed “unique” in St. Louis because it was a larger city.
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Comments (339)
Dismayed Veteran
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 2:11pmI may have my head up my anal orifice but I think there is a lot of paranoia in some of these postings. Remember Y2K? Nothing happened. I feel that some posters will be disappointed when their prophesy of doom before November fails to materialize.
I know the military trains for the mission and this training in St. Louis is unusual. But, just maybe what the Army told us is the truth.
mercenary4freedom
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 2:27pmBTW, I even told both of my family members that are cops & SWAT that if you come messing with me or my family/property or weapons, you will not be going home to see my cousins (their wives).
They both never served in the military and both are very familiar with my travels & resume, they know I mean business when it comes to protecting my nation’s constitution, family private property, & other patriots as well.
Scaredfuzz
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 2:36pmLook up the Robin Sage Exercise in North Carolina, held 8 times a year spanning 15 counties. Humvees driving in traffic doesn’t concern me (for those non-military people, there is a lot to convoy operations, let alone learning to drive those vehicles).
Report Post »1ONE1
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 3:55pmOh come on…. Y2K? That would be like someone saying prior to 911 ” Hey you remember Y2K? Nothing happened so don’t worry about anyone flying a jet into a building.“ or how about ” Hey you remember Y2K? Nothing happened so don’t worry about that tornado ripping apart homes down the street.” I wonder where people get off comparing a computer malfunction to an act of nature or an act of war by man.
Report Post »JohnDoeSr
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 8:42pmI think the Obama regime is testing the loyalty of the military, one step at a time. I used to think the military were the last defense between the people and and a wanna-be dictator. However, I am now mostly convinced the military will do anything commanded by Obama and his regime, otherwise they would have already acted to save the Constitution.
Report Post »Scaredfuzz
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 9:56pmYou sir are wrong, the u.s. military is one of the only militaries that teaches its officers to follow the law before its government leaders. Not saying all will do that, but the majority will.
Report Post »KoolAidDrinker
Posted on July 11, 2012 at 3:29am@Dismayed
Report Post »As a vet, I don’t find this training unusual either. My unit routinely conducted our quarterly training in view of the public. We would release a press report to alert the public of our activities. This training was designed to increase the experience of the new troops to help them prepare for real world contingencies. We would leave the base and convoy to our training location. Some of these locations were on remote BLM land, while others were located on National Guard facilities located on the edge of town. And the neighbors would complain when we did simulated site defense exercises during the wee hours of the morning.
Following 9/11, my unit was tasked to provide support to protect the VP, and sister units were tasked to support the POTUS. This required us to convoy and set up our equipment. This activity was not nufarious, but pudent and necessary during the times. It also provided an opertunity to demonstrate our capabilities and develope skills necessary to overcome unforseen problems.
KoolAidDrinker
Posted on July 11, 2012 at 3:30am@Dismayed continued
Report Post »Additionally, now is the time when our guard units start to conduct their annual training. I’m not sure of what Reserve units time constrains are, but guard units get one weekend a month and two weeks a year to get their troops up to an acceptable readiness level. Money is also an issue, Guard and Reserve units have limited resources. So, commanders must leverage the resources available to them and get the biggest bang for buck. National training facilities may not be available, and or two expensive of a proposition to make them available for training.
I think the increased visibility of our armed forces is a result of the military units returning from Iraq. Commanders need to train their troops, and this requires them to move on public roads. And with public encroachment into traditional training areas, they will encounter more of the military’s training exercises.
glennpatstu
Posted on July 11, 2012 at 2:59pm^well good. You don’t sound like a delusional paranoid schizo at all!
Report Post »VS
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 7:39pmYepp!!! You are right about where your brain is!!!
Report Post »Y2K. Didn’t happen because of all the deciated peopleworking to rewrite programming code…….the hours were. Awful and the threat was real!! If you are trying too make a point of comparison this isn’t it!!! So tired of Misinformed BS!!
Yes I am worried about the military exercises because of the buildup of weapons…ammo…supplies for homeland security by janet the Legal US American Citizen Hater and her Boss’s!!
harri8
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 12:08amY2k has no political moral economic or contemporary equivalency to the current facist situation
Report Post »RedLadyBlaze
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 12:38amA week and a half ago my son called me and told me to listen to Alex Jones and his reporting of this subject. During the program, a man called and said that he was with the Saint Louis Police Department. Then stated that his police department was training with the military and that the policemen would be going house to house to confiscate guns from the local residents. This guy sounded scared.
Whether this is true or not, I don’t really know. I don‘t live near there so I don’t have a feel for what is really going on. I would prefer to trust our military men and women but on the other side, they will do as they are ordered to do.
There are other stories that our soldiers are being trained by Russian soldiers to disarm civilians and take their guns away from them. In this climate it’s getting harder to tell what is true and what is a lie. The NDAA and the threat of Martial Law makes me wonder. Then we have Homeland Security and their huge purchases of hollow point ammnuition without any explaination. I’ve decided to prepare for the worst and hope for the best.
Report Post »kudzudechase
Posted on August 28, 2012 at 4:51pmThe Army telling the truth? Not likely. There is no acceptable reason for “urban training” in American cities.
Report Post »hatchetjob
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 2:08pmYou keep right on laughing.
Report Post »LimaBean
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 2:08pmI‘ve seen military vehicles on my city’s street (Los Angeles) but, not engaged in training activities. They were moving in convoy getting to a destination I suppose.
Report Post »John655
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 3:23pmI remember when I was in the 82nd, from 86 to 90 in a Heavy Anti-Armor Co (we had HUMVEEs), we made a vehicle convoy from FT Bragg, NC to Ft Benning, GA. When we got to Columbus, GA we never stopped rolling. The lead two Humvees would block the side streets and the rest of us we keep on rolling. Red lights meant nothing to us. I’m sure we made a few locals upset since it was about 4P on a week day when we were doing this. I’m sure this still happens today. It’s really nothing that should bother anyone.
Report Post »Owt_Raged
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 2:08pmDid everyone here miss that BHO signed an executive order on June 26, 2012 declaring a state of emergency?
If you think what is going on should be dismissed, you aren’t paying attention.
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 2:52pmThat EO was abt what he can do in a state of emergency. It was not declaring a state of emergency.
Report Post »LestWeForget
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 3:43pmElena 2010, can you elaborate on that statement? What am I missing as I read the following (and everything in between) from the EO?
“I, BARACK OBAMA, President of the United States of America … hereby declare a national emergency to deal with that threat. I hereby order:”
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 4:04pmSo where is it? The last declaration of his was back in May 2012.
Report Post »http://fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/obama-declares-state-of-emergency-through-yet-another-executive-order/15063/
AdrianRuehl
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 8:12pm@ Elana2010 “so where is it?” http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/06/25/executive-order-russian-highly-enriched-uranium
Report Post »biffo
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 1:43pmWhy aren’t these armoured units on the Mexican border? Oh, wait….
Report Post »The_Cabrito_Goat
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 2:09pmI’d love to have an army base near my house. The army is one of a handful of government agencies I still trust and respect. There’s so much broo ha ha over the fact the military has the right to detain you indefinitely. I have news for you folks, they have had that right for just about a decade, it’s only now that they make it official.
Report Post »WAKEUPUSA2012
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 6:01pmThe_Cabrito_Goat
Your a good little fish, bitting that bait. ;)
Report Post »KidCharlemagne
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 1:42pmAnother prediction from the author of the U.S. Constitution about to come true?:
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Report Post »“In time of actual war, great discretionary powers are constantly given to the Executive Magistrate. Constant apprehension of War, has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military force, with an overgrown Executive will not long be safe companions to liberty. The means of defence agst. foreign danger, have been always the instruments of tyranny at home. Among the Romans it was a standing maxim to excite a war, whenever a revolt was apprehended. Throughout all Europe, the armies kept up under the pretext of defending, have enslaved the people.”
-James Madison, Constitutional Convention, June 29, 1787
alinmatt
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 10:00pmExcellent quote from the man who designed our constitution. More people need to be aware of history.
Report Post »LApatriot
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 1:42pmHas anyone noticed the new unmarked trailers, pickup trucks and other types of vehicles at local Army reserve units? Seems they are preparing for something, but why have unmarked civilain vehicles parked on these sites.Also noted the large amounts of ammuntion and food supplies that they have been purchasing in the past 8 months, I hope I am wrong, but we cannot trust “Big Sis” nor Obama and his cronies. No telling what they may do to remain in power. Obama certainly has spit on the Constitution and his oath to uphold the laws of the United States. I for one am going to be prepared.
Report Post »mercenary4freedom
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 2:22pmHa, Big Sis Mr err I mean Ms Nappy is a joke a Dem socialist all the way. She following her dear leaders plan to a T. Turn your head and allow millions more illegals infiltrate so that when the time comes they will become useful idiots to the regime.
Internal strife within other nations ahs been the norm for decaeds, but not here. Well our time is coming. Barry is spending us into an oblivian for one purpose and that is to implode the United States economy and try to rebuild it as a socilalist/marxist government & if it means creating chos and despair amongst its citizens, so be it.
Another thing to keep in mind is he has signed the nDAA, NRPA, just signed another on last week allowing him to control the airwaves etc. he may also be planning to start a war with Iran & Syria which will kick off WWIII and expect some strikes to hit here inside the US, along with martial law. Just what he wants.
He may be planning on doing something like FDR did during WWII, preparing to suspend the constitution and stay in office.
I can’t think of a worse leader or non-leader I should say to have in office during a time of war. That mf’r hates us and our nation and is going to keep to his word of fundamentally changing America. We must stop him at all costs!
The dumbf**ks that voted for him have no clue to what his words meant of fundamentaly changing america.
Yes trolls I am talking to you.
Report Post »Dismayed Veteran
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 3:31pmMerci
Just a minor correction. FDR was voted into office 3 terms. Following his death, two terms became the law for POTUS.
Report Post »ronin_6
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 3:35pm@LAPATRIOT
Report Post »The reason you see lots of unmarked GM vehicles in Reserve centers is because for daily chores its way cheaper (and more comfortable) to drive a GSA Silverado than a HUMMV, and because GM really needs a little help right now so Uncle Sam bought a few thousand and are handing them out to its different deptartments. You can buy them used direct from Uncle Sam through the GSA web site at http://gsaauctions.gov/gsaauctions/gsaauctions/
You can get some pretty good deals there.
mdb749
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 7:51pmHave you not been aware of the FEMA camps? You bet they’re preparing for something – and it’s not in our best interest.
Report Post »Individualism
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 1:40pmThey could also be preparing for an American holocaust, If they come to your door demanding your guns its revolution time and sadly these are some of the folks we will have to fight for our own survival. In times of civil unrest they will be used to enforce martial law and will also go after people not causing trouble as well, they will be all our enemies we may have to fend off. Throughout history the troops have been blind followers of the goverment and this is why i have had a hard time respecting them.
Report Post »subic
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 1:43pmKinda like SNAKE1 here huh?
Report Post »cessna152
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 1:45pmHowever, if that happens I could see Russia, Syria, Iran and China jumping in to take us over. If we are fighting “internally” that is the perfect time for all enemies to attack. It won’t be pretty, but I refuse to live in tyranny. I am tired and fed up with wining and complaining. I want MY country back… it belongs to God and the good people of America.
Report Post »eagle2715
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 2:49pm“this is why i have had a hard time respecting them”
No, you have a hard time respecting them because your an idiot and @$$ hat… But this is explicitly stated by the picture next to your name.
Report Post »Individualism
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 4:49pmalso many of you folks are just hate filled bastards.
Report Post »WAKEUPUSA2012
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 6:06pmThe only a$$ Hat is the person who blindly worships the military and will be a good little stooge and turn in their guns when the time comes.
The war on “terror” is a HOAX.
Its the war on the conservatie minded middle class white man that is real.
Report Post »lisa2994
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 1:36pmI would love to see what the naysyers that come here do when this does actually happen.
Report Post »lisa2994
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 1:38pmnaysayers…
Report Post »cessna152
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 1:42pmI’d prefer for that NOT to happen, I’d rather be wrong and prepared than prepared and saying “I told you so”. At that point, we are all in huge trouble.
Report Post »saranda
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 3:31pmWhen what actually happens? You offer no point of reference.
Report Post »WAKEUPUSA2012
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 6:08pmsaranda
If you gotta ask…your clueless. Just go back to watching fox news and the corporate whore media.
Report Post »Nemo13
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 1:26pmI am not worried. The citizens of the USA are better armed & trained and in higher numbers than any other country in the world. Even our own military would be very hard pressed to ‘control’ USA citizens, and may even be out-matched. We are unique in the fact that people here know freedom, defend freedom, and can act and overcome like no other people in the world. Good luck military, I hope you are on the right side if anything bad happens.
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 1:38pmYea, that’s why every one accepts the TSA gropings….we’re just getting you used to being oppressed. I‘ll tell you and I’ve been saying it for 3 years. There won’t be elections in November, andif there are, they’ll be rigged. They’re gearing up for mass revolts. Even if it’s the left revolting in the streets, it won’t make us safer.
Report Post »762x51
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 1:49pmMany, if not most of the trigger pullers in the military , which number less than 1 million, will not fire on US civilians. That is why our police have been steadily militarized over the last 20 years. If the police decide to enforce tyranny the casualties will be massive so I hope Oathkeepers are successful in their mission.
Of greater concern is the use of foreign troops to quell civil unrest or open rebellion here. Why do you suppose the Communist leaders in our government have been bringing in troops from Russia, China, etc to train here for “terrorist” attacks inside the US?
Do not underestimate the evil we face.
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 2:25pm@nem
I disagree. I think the United States citizens are becoming weaker and weaker. If the army turn against the people we will be crushed. Yes we have a large armed group of citizens but like the like the executive order passed last Fridayhttp://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/07/06/executive-order-assignment-national-security-and-emergency-preparedness-#.T_sGVc3Zfz0.facebook we will not be able to communicate. The army would cut us to shreds. We can now be indefinitely detained, and next on the list is gun. The second amendment will be under assault very soon by both parties. The only chance the American citizens have is the military coup when the government turns completely on the people(which is coming soon).
Remember the most police forces now have armored trucks, machine guns, drones, and are very willing to throw your rights right out the window.
Report Post »Eagle_Eye_1970
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 2:41pmI am just glad I am blessed to have been born in the GREAT Republic of Texas….and yes, I have my paperz
Report Post »hard.right
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 3:21pmnemo, you should be worried. the gov’t controls the power grid (indirectly), water (public utilities), and food (rail system and transportation). you can have all the weapons training and tactics in the world. cut off your power, food, and water and you’ll cave immediately. there are not enough armed citizens with their own supply of those 3 things to produce any significant threat to the military or any police force around the country of significant size. just not gonna happen.
eagle_eye, i’d be glad to be in a state too w/ 4 guns to every citizen, but whatcha gonna do when a sizeable police force or the military pin you up against your southern border and it’s either swim into the arms of the drug cartel or surrender to our military. being in a gun friendly state is not going to help you when push comes to shove.
folks, the only way out of this is to vote, vote every election, push libertarian candidates with serious answers to problems (no, not RP), but folks that will begin to dismantle what has been done over the last 100+ years (soc sec, medicare, welfare, dept of education, epa, dept of interior, yada, yada). a president can’t effectively do that. we need congress and the presidency in the hands of those that will force change. real change. back the other direction.
prepping might help you for a natural disaster, power grid failure, exteral attack where wrol occurs. but when the US gov, state gov, local gov turn on you, game over friends and pa
Report Post »ronin_6
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 3:37pm@7.62X51
Report Post »Bet you can’t show one single picture of Russian or Chinese troops on US soil, excusing of course diplomats or embassy personnel etc.
You guys are as silly as the John Birchers used to be.
pudssweetie
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 4:22pmOur Men and Women who are in the Military take an oath, just like our President and Politicians do, to serve and protect our Flag and Constitution. I Believe that many will fight along side us, not against us and will disobey orders if they feel that the orders go against our Constitution and against innocent people.
Report Post »I know there will be someone who will comment against what I wrote, so before you even reply ask yourself this. If you were active Military and you were told that you needed to retain people who get out of order and may have to shoot if they fight against you. Now just think for a moment that the person you are faced with is your neighbor, your best friend or even worse, your Mother or Father, could you in good consciousness be able to throw them into jail or kill them?
Ohio Guy
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 5:02pmI see a lot of posts similar to this one and think how ridiculous. Do any of you really belive that if the US military had an interest in you that you would have any chance no matter how big your arsenal? If any of these scary scenarios were to happen like martial law or the suspension of the constitution all bets are off. A simple regular army unit could quiet most of us not to mention special forces or dare I say an unmanned drone.
Report Post »WAKEUPUSA2012
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 6:14pmOhio Guy
You CLEARLY do not know our history. In 1776 a groupe of rag tag MILITIA went to WAR with the greatest military power IN THE WORLD. A groupe of discplined well armed militia can wage gurellia war AND WIN. Americans are buying 3 or 4 million guns a MONTH! I would bet half of the Army would not fire on Americans. But the other half might. If it comes to that, IT IS OUR DUTY (as stated in the Constutition) to over throw that government. So you be a good little boy and turn in your guns. I will gladly die for my freedoms.
Report Post »randy
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 6:25pm@RONIN_6
RIght here idiot:
Report Post »http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/17/us-russian-soldiers-train_n_1525502.html
WAKEUPUSA2012
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 6:33pmronin_6
You are so wrong its not even funny. Russian and Chines TROOPS train on US SOIL all the time. You idiot WE ARE IN TROUBLE
Report Post »ronin_6
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 8:28pm@WAKEUP2012 and RANDY
Report Post »Okay you got pics of some Russians. 22 to be exact. Twenty Two! Not even a platoon.
Did you read the article? First time ever Russians have trained here on US Soil.
In 2003 the Califronia Army National Guard sent an entire infantry platoon to train with Russians. Why? Because its a good way avoid conflicts.
Nothing about Chinese though.
ChiefGeorge
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 11:23pmYou will not be able to succeed against the US Forces in a WROL situation. To fight against something, you must first have a like capability to do so…you cannot resupply, refuel with F22′s bombing your positions. What you would look like though is a Minute men style fighting force…hit and run. Never standing ground or taking it. A War of attrition would then ensue.
Report Post »qwerty
Posted on July 11, 2012 at 9:45am@ Ohio Guy and other doubters,
If you don’t think some of us with guns have no chance against the military, then WHY are we still in Afganistan?
Report Post »A bunch of goat herders with 70′s era rifles are still inflicting damage to our soldiers.
And how long have we been there? 11 years now.
SubHuman
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 1:23pmI have no problem with a team of special forces operators dropping in to a sports stadium in the middle of the night to train. Using real world locations you can’t duplicate for small, specialized military crews. I do have a problem with a mass military exercise in the streets of our cities. Not only does it get citizens comfortable with a military presence but it makes the military comfortable being in a public setting. That’s not the role or legal use of the US Military. The only reason to perform these sorts of exercises is to prepare for a police state. A police state enforced by these very troops.
Report Post »centurian2222
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 1:16pmWhy did Homeland Security raid a Social Security office in Leesburg, FL., this year in what appeared to be an armed training exercise?
Report Post »1snake1
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 1:15pmSo is it you peoples contention that the US Government SHOULDN’T prepare for large scale social unrest following natural or man-made disasters? Or does it just bother you that Obama is doing it?
Report Post »caleejr
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 1:30pmno one said anything about NOT preparing – did you Not read the article? Did you not see what former military personnel said? you gotta come up with better trolling interjections than that….
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 1:32pmIt should be a state and local response. FEMA is not all that useful. The whole purpose for the guard is to meet state and local needs.
Posse Comitatus forbids the feds fm policing the streets. Do you remember a few years back when some goat herd was shot and killed by Marine snipers down here on the border? In the brush, you carry either a rifle or sidearm for protection fm rattlesnakes and other wild animals. The kid pointed it at where the Marines were hidden. They tht he was pointing his .22 rifle at them and shot him dead.
Our local Rio Grande Valley news has also reported that we will be “invaded” by federal troops soon.
Report Post »korbin
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 1:34pmAbsolutely you and the rest of us should be good Americans and prepare ourselves. One that relies on the Government for their security outside of a full on military attack on the US is nuts. Katrina says it all, gun confiscation, preventing people from obtaining freedom to get food, water and medical supplies by holding them hostage in the DOME of doom. We have a Constitution and this administration as well as BUSHES administration clearly do not have our individual freedoms in mind. They are all OATH BREAKERS. We need all military and law enforcement to reaffirm their oath to uphold and defend the US Constitution period. If these folks do not understand the oath and oxide by that oath we are beyond screwed. oathkeepers.org
Report Post »subic
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 1:41pmSNAKE, you sound like a fed cop with a lust for blood.
Report Post »hugecatfish
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 1:56pmFair question…even though the ‘you people’ comment is laden with sarcasm. But, since you didn’t ramble on like a complete idiot (ENCINOM for example), and you did ask a reasonable question, I will attempt to give you a reasonable answer.
For many of us, this president has revealed how a lot of politicians, both D‘s and R’s, do not have America’s best interest at heart. They are globalist, and America is a major obstacle standing in the way of that socialist eutopia of their dreams. I probably wouldn’t have thought anything had this taken place under Bush. However, I admit that I was ignorant then. I now know that it doesn’t take a muslim extremist with a plane ticket, or a communist with a ‘big red button’ and an itchy finger to attempt to destroy America. I now know that there are great enemies sitting in Washington..and there are some on both sides of the aisle. So, to answer your question…No it’s not just this president. It is the fact that he has surrounded himself with radicals, muslims and self-professed commies. He seeks counsel from those that promote the NWO, higher energy prices, goverment control, open borders, and the elimination of America as a bright city on a hill. He lies every time he speaks, and with the stroke of a pen has, and will continue to steal our liberties. He is not what he claims to be, and it is obvious to those of us that are recently awakened. I do not trust him…period. And I will stand against Romney if he does
Report Post »BLACKDIAMONDSKIER
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 2:03pm@ 1Snake1
“So is it you peoples contention that the US Government SHOULDN’T prepare for large scale social unrest following natural or man-made disasters? Or does it just bother you that Obama is doing it?”
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Let me be very clear about this. It bothers me that Obama is doing it. HELL YES. Anytime, you get a Marxist with the philosophy “the end justifies the means” being able to use military force to control the population, it scares the hell out of me. Especially, when the disaster he is preparing for can be used as a tool for the complete “TRANSFORMATION” of society that he constantly speaks of.
You know….the progressive idea to “never let a good crisis go to waste” kind of thinking.
Preparation is always good, unless you are being manipulated into believing that preparation is occuring for your own safety. Safety that is being provided by a Marxist who cannot stand the constitition and it’s limits on the power of the federal government. Safety that may include having to detain American citizens for indefinite amounts of time without trial. Safety that may include confiscating your guns and ammunition. Safety is always golden in they eyes of a tyrant. Especially, when he views Christians and gun owners and Tea Party members as terrorists which would give him the ability to detain them without trial during a National Crisis for an indefinite amount of time.
Report Post »JarheadX
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 2:21pmPeople here are so far behind the curve. Obama means nothing- he was the frontman hired to do the ‘ol soft shoe while the middle class was destroyed and wallets vacuumed. He’ll be discarded eventually, but his social justice obsessed minions will not go quietly.
Report Post »shakedowncrews
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 2:43pmThe founding fathers warned about the dangers of a standing federal army that might be mobilized against the citizens.
NO, we can’t trust the federal government with too much power, or have you never read the constitution, or the Federalist Papers, or basic US history?
All you have to do is look at what the government has done in the past to realize that the egos in DC are dangerous.
Historically, our government allowed slavery, and even the SCOTUS upheld it.
It allowed for genocidal attacks on the natives.
Our government gave blankets infected with small pox to Indians, knowing it would kill them.
It knowingly infected blacks with diseases and didn’t treat it, just to test the effects of the diseases. It repeated this again in Guatemala.
It illegally sold weapons to the Iranians to fund another illegal war in Nicaragua.
It massacred 100+ people in Waco, Texas. It also massacred individuals in Pine Creek reservation. It was either horribly mistaken–or outright lied–about the WMD in Iraq, depending on what you believe.
It sold weapons to drug cartels in Mex.
It has tried to spy on our citizens.
It has declared entire segments of peaceful protesters as “security threats” and “terrorists”, and wants to execute them with drones.
It has refused to defend our borders and instead protects illegals and apologizes for the religious extremists who murder our citizens.
And you think we should blindly trust the government to defend and protect us?
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 2:43pmTell us why we should trust that loud mouth braggert?
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 2:53pmI believe Dear Leader is that man in our history/world history to attempt and succeed in carrying out his ultimate takeover of the US and there wil be little to nothing most Americans can do about it. Does anyone believe that the most far Left Jr Senator now President will go off quietly into the night if he loses the election or there is an appearance of him losing? He smiles a lot and I think many believe him to be harmless. Just look at everything he has accomplished thus far and you’ll see that would be a very naive assumption on anyones part. Exec order was just signed giving the Pres total control of communications. NDAA/NDRP were recently signed into law by this president, national crisis is upon us now and the people still go on their merry way…esp the kids who do not know any better. Its time to wake up to what is going on and not only prepare for the long haul in the physcial respect but also the spiritual one as well. God is watching and he is waiting for our pleas for his help! He can help us if we ask, that does not mean this will not move forward it just means God will send you strength and a life raft. America is beginning to look much like Germany in the 30s.
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 3:26pm@1snake1
Please provide some links showing the Military rolling in to help with all those natural disasters that just occurred in the last 2 weeks. You know, all those fires and that dreaded storm that that went from Chicago to DC?
Report Post »chazmo
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 4:00pmYes it bothers me… The US Government is inept during natural disasters. ie; Katrina etc… It’s up to the local people to pull together to help thy neighbor. Funding is one thing, sending in the Military is a completely different ballgame. So no it has nothing to do with Obama. If it was Bush or Romney I would be against it too. We do have a law stating that the military is not for policing US citizens. So how do you feel about it? Or you cool with it since it’s Obama doing it?
Report Post »chazmo
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 4:10pmSnake in the grass… did you just hit and run?? Answer my question.. I and a few others answered yours. No you won’t, because you are a blind Liberal drone. You are partisan and have no clue what is happening. You go lick on Obama some more.. He’ll take care of you. While the rest of us prepare for restoring liberty to our United States of America.
Report Post »HappyHaloHousewife
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 6:37pmGreat question. Pretty much ANYTHING Obama does bothers me. There I said it.
Report Post »SLARTIBARTFAST
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 1:13pmThese vehicles are not up-armored HMMWV (Hummers). They are dedicated, designed from the ground up, armored vehicles. Check them out at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1117_Armored_Security_Vehicle
Report Post »FEMALL
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 1:08pmSpecial ops practice for terrorists in Tampa
Report Post »http://www2.tbo.com/news/politics/2012/may/22/13/special-forces-mock-hostage-rescue-to-cause-commot-ar-406510/
The-Monk
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 4:03pm@FEMALL
I was there for that and it wasn’t a big deal. I enjoyed seeing our Military preparing for an emergency.
The only problem with the training was that the weather was fine. They should also be practicing in inclement weather.
Report Post »FEMALL
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 8:11pm@The-Monk: I enjoy reading your posts. This event,however, is eerily creepy to me. Are there reliable concerns during the RNC? Or is it being used as an excuse?
Report Post »thegreatcarnac
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 1:07pmObama may be training for some ‘false flag’ event that he thinks will enable him to declare martial law and perhaps delay elections. Then…again…perhaps the army is getting prepared for the riots that will come when obama loses the election in November.
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 2:06pmThere would be no riots in the Rio Grande Valley. Folks still have their Hillary stickers on bumpers. You just don’t see many Obama stickers down here.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 1:05pmAnother paranoid “FEMA Camp” report from Becky. I guess he feels his followers aren’t scared enough so he needs to create more news to keep them afraid and buying his useless products.
Report Post »sWampy
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 1:12pmMore name calling from the 8 year old, did you report the person that molested you and left you stuck on 8?
Report Post »Apple Bite
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 1:15pm**Price Is Right tuba horn**
Report Post »Nice try, freaking loser….
cessna152
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 1:47pmFace it dope, the first place you’ll run to are the Conservative Christians. We has something to preserve, you don’t.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 2:13pmThe Conservative Christians are the ones who are insane, they are the ones in their militia compounds wearing their tin foil hats, they are the dangerous ones.
Report Post »cessna152
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 2:31pmI will explain this to the READERS not this Atheist, God hating troll. Conservative Christians died to abolish slavery, died protecting the innocent and died to stop witch trials. The dangerous are BIG government people like encicom which in a 100 year period have KILLED over 250,000,000 (million) innocent men, women and children.
Report Post »What encicom and the lying left want you to believe that Christians are a danger to society. Let’s see… 5 people dying due to abortion clinic bombings (which is wrong and can argue they ain’t true Christians any way) or 250,000,000 killed by big government, Atheist (God hating) regimes.
branch manager
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 5:17pmWell put Cesna!
Report Post »Cadcamtrainer
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 5:22pmEncidiot still believes tha Obama killed Osama…….. Stupid is, stupid does!
Report Post »Fubared
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 5:29pmEncinomom
Report Post »I have axed you before, but aside from the virtual ass reaming you get daily, why are you even here? Por que esse?
edmundburk
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 6:54pmencinom- your wife,monicne wants to talk to you…..
Report Post »Detroit paperboy
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 12:59pmThe treasury has been sufficiently looted, they have lost the moral authority to tax the citizens, the state run media has lost its monopoly, and they are trying to delicately dis arm us….. All hell is about to break loose and they know it…….once the welfare and foodstampers get cut off thats the flashpoint…..only you can protect you……
Report Post »Stu D. Baker-Hawk
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 12:58pmIf you’ve ever driven in the American West where wide-open spaces are the norm and people aren’t, military convoys on our back-roads and highways are fairly common. However, to operate military vehicles in heavily populated areas for ‘training’ purposes is beyond all reason. Like I said in an earlier post related to this story, it seems the military is trying to de-sensitize We The Citizenry to the presence of armored vehicles on our streets. Bad times are coming, folks; mark my word, bad times ARE coming.
Report Post »Dismayed Veteran
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 1:55pmI grew up on Army posts. Seeing a convoy on the interstate was not unusual. This is for unit movement not training. I bet anyone who lives near an Army post or Marine camp has seen a convoy on civilian roads.
When I was in the Army, we conducted training exercises in cities. We were in civilian clothes and unmarked vehicles.
If this MP unit was National Guard, I could understand training in the community but it is a Army Reserve unit.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 12:47pmThe crackdown is coming people; and it will happen probably between now and November. Most are looking for an ‘october suprise’ which I feel will come in mid to late September. Too many things are happening for mere coincidence.
Report Post »shakedowncrews
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 2:06pmGlen failed to expand on his “two possibilities”. The second one–that the govt is aware of something big about to happen–can be expanded into various logical possibilities.
Report Post »The first is as you described: there is a conspiracy to commit a coup and take over the government. I personally am quite sceptical of this theory, as conspiracies involve many participants and they can’t all keep their mouths shut. A leak is inevitable. But it could happen.
The second is that they know we are going to be attacked (WMD?) and are preparing to restore order.
The third is that they know the economy is going to collapse and they are preparing for an uprising. (See first theory, but remove the conspiracy aspect. Conversely, the cynnical will believe they are crashing the economy on purpose).
If you look at what FEMA has announced, they have encouraged everyone to “prepare for emergencies” and store food for “days or weeks”.
Even back in Bush’s administration, we were told that a WMD attack was “inevitable”.
The evidence, to me, indicates that they truly believe we are going to be hit by a massive attack.
Now, how cynical are we? I don’t think our military would participate in a coup if they recognized it as one. But what if there was a real attack and order had to be restored? Can we trust those jackwagons in DC to restore our constitutional republic? And can we be sure someone up there isn’t planning to create the event itself so all else falls in line?
ChiefGeorge
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 11:15pmA conspiracy to take over the government can be hidden in legitiment concerns such as from the Russian threat or Chinese threat in response to our intentions towards Syria which is an attack on Iran. Dear Leader may be playing these up as concerns but his REAL motive is an internal takeover the likes of which we have never seen but based on an attack scenario agains the USA from these folks. Sure the good patriots may also report and believe the threats are a grave natl security concern and therefore see nothing wrong in Dear Leaders responses such as noted and the NDAA/NDRP acts now add the Comms Act.
Report Post »Apple Bite
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 12:46pmPerhaps it‘s because they know they’ve allowed some “undesirables” in through the southern border and are now looking at ways to protect our cities as a result. The general public knows illegals come in through the southern border, and it’s also generally believed that more than just illegal citizens of other countries are in the U.S., at least among us that are wary of such possibilities.
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 12:46pmWell this is sort of old news at this point! But anyways I agree that something is not quite right here. If you need to use our cities for urban warfare training then what cities in what countries is said training being ramped up for? Is this so our boys will feel comfortable driving around downtown Tehran? This training is clearly meant for the USA. We are tumbling forward towards the hard tyranny of a polic state and everything is pointing to it as our future. War is coming to the mideast and home assets need to be secured.
Report Post »Detroit paperboy
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 12:45pmThey should do this in Detroit, its empty for the most part… Did you see last week where the reporter and his crew golfed thru Detroit…. Sad what the democrats have done to my hometown…..
Report Post »CatB
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 12:54pmAgree PAPERBOY .. they could even take target practice and knock down some “empty” crack houses and boarded up businesses … Detroit is SAD.
Report Post »Best_Patriot
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 12:56pmYeah, Detroit was downright bucolic before Obama was voted into office.
Give me a break.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 1:15pm@BP … Detroit is the poster child for Progressives and Marxists in power … looting and stealing … THUGS gone wild. Those thugs are in the government and on the streets. Obama is doing to the country …. what the same type of regme have done to Detroit.
Report Post »Serenabit
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 2:25pmI agree Detroit PaperBoy! I left Michigan 10 years ago, and the memories will always be “Home,” (I delivered the Detroit News in the early 70′s.) but the reality is something different. I always thought that when Coleman Young was gone things would get better, and it appears that Bing is doing a good job; still, there’s a lot of corrupted time to make up for.
Report Post »shakedowncrews
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 3:11pmBEST_PATRIOT’s response is so typical of liberals. It reveals a complete and total inability to think logically.
Report Post »The statement was that Detroit is the result of democrat mismanagement. Not “Obama”–you $^*t for brains. Democrats have run the city for decades and decades. They have run it into the ground.
Need another example? Chicago. Just look at how well your ******* policies are working there.
Another example is New York prior to Giuliani. Crime was unbelievable, but a GOP mayor helped turn it around.
term limits for congress
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 12:43pmThat wasn’t the Army Reserves. It was the new IRS agents (BHO’s army) learning to drive their government-issued vehicles.
Report Post »Best_Patriot
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 12:40pmhaha, Glenn looks like he’s squeezing out a turd in that second pic.
…the turd that became this story!
Detroit paperboy
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 12:50pmAre you in third grade ? And the turd was your post, by the way, why is your face cut off in your photo ???
Report Post »dblaess
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 12:51pmInteresting post. George I look forward to more of your wit.
Report Post »moreteaplease
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 12:54pmNice avatar but it looks like you got cropped out of it.
Report Post »Best_Patriot
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 12:57pmA bunch of unoriginal dweebs up in here. Recycling jokes like there’s no tomorrow. I thought that tea brains were against recycling!
Report Post »MEANS2RESIST
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 1:10pmhaha, agreed, the best part of BEST_NON_PATRIOT is cut out of his avatar
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 1:12pmThat’s your contribution to the discussion? Adolescent jeering and sneering? And you’re proud of this I assume?
Report Post »762x51
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 1:26pmNo jackhole, that picture of Beck was when he was squeezing out the turd that became YOU.
Report Post »Best_Patriot
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 1:59pmWow, 6 replies to my post. Four of them used the same joke about photo-cropping that’s used every time I post, and two of the replies re-use my turd joke.
Congrats, Blazers. You are 6 for 6 on unoriginality!
Report Post »Rayblue
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 4:33pmThe tangless mus gallops again.
Report Post »#7, right ?
chazmo
Posted on July 10, 2012 at 5:01pmwhy is it that Ronin, Encinom, Best Patriot and JZ all act like 3 year old children.. hmmmm do all liberal trolls really act like idiotic children or are they the same idiotic fool? Is there not 1 liberal troll that has something intelligent to say?
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