‘We Will Not Comply’: Catholic Leaders Distribute Letter Slamming Obama Admin Contraceptive Mandate
- Posted on January 30, 2012 at 10:01am by
Billy Hallowell
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We’ve covered the Catholic Church’s ongoing battle with the Obama administration over contraception health care mandates for quite some time. Over the weekend, though, the stand-off took an unusual turn, as Catholic churches across America read a letter to congregants that perfectly encapsulated the church’s stance against the impending federal requirements.
The Church’s vocal arguments against the Obama administration are centered upon a Health and Human Services Department requirement that employers must include contraception and abortion-inducing drugs in health-care coverage. While this requirement doesn’t apply to houses of worship, it will force Catholic colleges, hospitals and other Christian groups to provide these drugs despite their faith-based opposition to them.
Many of these organizations, despite not being, themselves, churches, are intrinsically rooted in religious belief systems that stand firmly opposed to medications and procedures that would terminate the life of an unborn child. These deeply-rooted moral codes, which drive the groups’ work, will be impeded, Catholic leaders say, should the Obama administration continue with its planned mandate.
Recently, the federal government made one small concession surrounding the requirement, as officials decided to give church-affiliated hospitals and organizations another year before they will be forced to comply with the coverage restrictions.
Archbishop Timothy Dolan (AP)
“In effect, the president is saying we have a year to figure out how to violate our consciences,” Cardinal-designate Timothy M. Dolan, archbishop of New York and president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, recently said.
Over the weekend, the Catholic Church’s letter went beyond simply issuing oppositional rhetoric to media. Instead, priests read an open note to congregations across the country, dubbing the administration‘s take on women’s health and religious violations as an attack on their faith. In the letter, Bishops highlighted what they called “an alarming and serious matter,“ as their words contended that the federal government has ”dealt a heavy blow” to the Catholic population.
In it, Catholic leaders went on to say that the Church “cannot—we will not—comply with this unjust law,” as it violates the Catholic conscience. Additionally, the church says that it is faced with a difficult decision — either comply and violate its faith or drop coverage for employees and suffer the consequences. The letter urges congregants to take action and to call Congress in an attempt to overturn the regulation.
While there were some variations in the letter, as it was personalized by each Bishop, here’s the text that was sent out by the Bishop of Marquette (Michigan):
Dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ:
I write to you concerning an alarming and serious matter that negatively impacts the Church in the United States directly, and that strikes at the fundamental right to religious liberty for all citizens of any faith. The federal government, which claims to be “of, by, and for the people,” has just been dealt a heavy blow to almost a quarter of those people — the Catholic population — and to the millions more who are served by the Catholic faithful.
The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services announced last week that almost all employers,
including Catholic employers, will be forced to offer their employees’ health coverage that includes sterilization, abortion-inducing drugs, and contraception. Almost all health insurers will be forced to include those “services” in the health policies they write. And almost all individuals will be forced to buy that coverage as a part of their policies.In so ruling, the Obama Administration has cast aside the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, denying to Catholics our Nation’s first and most fundamental freedom, that of religious liberty. And as a result, unless the rule is overturned, we Catholics will be compelled to either violate our consciences, or to drop health coverage for our employees (and suffer the penalties for doing so). The Obama Administration’s sole concession was to give our institutions one year to comply.
We cannot—we will not—comply with this unjust law. People of faith cannot be made second class citizens. We are already joined by our brothers and sisters of all faiths and many others of good will in this important effort to regain our religious freedom. Our parents and grandparents did not come to these shores to help build America’s cities and towns, its infrastructure and institutions, its enterprise and culture,
only to have their posterity stripped of their God given rights. In generations past, the Church has always been able to count on the faithful to stand up and protect her sacred rights and duties. I hope and trust she can count on this generation of Catholics to do the same. Our children and grandchildren deserve nothing less.And therefore, I would ask of you two things. First, as a community of faith we must commit ourselves to prayer and fasting that wisdom and justice may prevail, and religious liberty may be restored. Without God, we can do nothing; with God, nothing is impossible. Second, I would also recommend visiting www.usccb.org/conscience,to learn more about this severe assault on religious liberty, and how to contact Congress in support of legislation that would reverse the Obama Administration’s decision.
Sincerely yours in Christ,
+Alexander K. Sample
Most Reverend Alexander K. Sample
Bishop of Marquette
This is the latest development in the spat between the federal government and the Catholic Church. While contraception is a major problem dividing the two parties, other developments have added to the relational deterioration. Among the developments, the Department of Health and Human Services decided to end funding to the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops last year.
Pope Benedict XVI (AP)
Rather than continuing to allocate money to a special program the bishops group oversaw to assist victims of modern-day slavery (i.e. human trafficking), the administration, instead, chose to give the funds to three non-Catholic groups. The bishops conference had refused to refer trafficking victims to receive contraceptives or abortions, so the American Civil Liberties Union sued and HHS decided to provide funds to groups that would refer women for these services.
Then there’s gay marriage — another contentious issue. The administration’s stance of not defending traditional marriage also contradicts Catholic teaching.
As for the health care regulation — a tenet that abortion-rights groups heralded when it was introduced last summer — there’s no telling how the situation will end, as the Church seems adamant about its refusal to comply.
In September, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops called the regulation “an unprecedented attack on religious liberty.” In November, The Catholic Advocate PAC launched an attack campaign against the Obama administration as well. To these responses, Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said late last year that the Church’s “conscience thing” puts woman at risk (yes, she’s a Catholic).
In the end, there will be dire results, it seems, should the administration proceed as planned.
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momrules
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 10:27amWhile not Catholic I am firmly in their corner. This is just more of the plan to take Christianity out and put Evil in everything.
Report Post »Secret Squirrel
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 10:36am.
Report Post »It’s about time Christians started speaking up.
smithclar3nc3
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 10:38amThe Catholic Church sided with Obama on universal healthcare knowing full well Obama’s views on abortion……They made a deal with the devil and have as much NEW blood on their hands as the doctors performing the abortion.
SpankDaMonkey
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 10:41am.
Report Post »‘We Will Not Comply’, but will vote for you in November……..
tradexpertbuysell
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 10:43amI am Catholic. I stopped going to church when the Bishops endorsed Obama Care. Now that they are finally waking up I’m heading back to support my church. It’s about time! Praise God! Ephesians armor here I come!
Report Post »db321
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 10:59amAll of the above comments are fabulous – This announcement may come as a shock to most Catholics – but it shouldn’t if you had read the Bible. I ask all Catholics – do your rights for life come from God or does it from Government? Who is your God – Jesus or Obama.
Obama would not be in office if not for Catholics and other disconnected Christians would not have voted for him At this point their are only two things left to do.
1. Repent
Report Post »2. Vote for anybody but Obama – assuming we even have an election!
Toastery
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 11:00amThe only cure for this atheististic health care plan is the Voting Poll Antidote in 2012.
Report Post »cyclops
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 11:05amIt is just so amazing to me that there are many people out there who are still in a comatose stage, thinking “kudos to the government for taking care of us.” When the government is telling you what to do, it is getting too big and too intrusive. Wake up people…..
Report Post »CatB
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 11:10amI seem to remember that MU SL IMS do not have to follow the OBAMACARE rules … they are exempt .. WHY? Why the special treatment for them? Equal under the law …? Seems NOT.
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 11:16amSo does this mean that the boy (according to his books) who was raised in the strict Islamic madrassa of his choosing and in the Catholic School..St Francis of Sisissi in Indonesia..will not be receiving the support of the Catholics this time around.?/Oh but what if he puts on the Catholic clerical clothing.(robes) and goes for photo ops with the Pope and says “pretty please”?
Patoweem
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 11:17amThis is by DESIGN. The government is forcing all catholic/religeous institutions into a corner. Either give in and leave your morals at the door or stand firm and refuse to offer healthcare to your workers. Why? Obama is betting that they will stand firm and no longer offer healthcare to millions of workers & their children. That then puts all these uninsured workers directly into the coming Exchanges and onto the government healthcare roles. The infastructure is almost complete for government run healthcare, now they just need the people to either choose to join or be forced to join by employers dropping coverage. THIS is what’s going on here and what WILL happen in the end.
Without ObamaCare, none of this can/would be happening. Don’t call and beg for an exemption, call and DEMAND that ObamaCare be repealed. This is just the beginning of the nightmare of government run healthcare.
Report Post »stablepar
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 11:18amcan we make a case of separation of church and state?
Report Post »RIGHTHOOK
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 11:21am@SmithClar – That statement has zero validity. You spout factless babble. Nice try………
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 11:24amWe are in danger of the apostate church if this fails to get traction. If the Catholic church is somehow fundamentally overturned on this issue then its over for everyone in terms of belief in the sanctity of life. You will then be told since we are already killing off innocent fetuses, then why not grandma who is terminal anyways or even just old making no contribution to the community/economy. We are not far off now gang. Standing with the church means you must be prepared to stand with them all the way no matter what. Thats the end game here. This stand will get you rounded up, tortured in an attempt to turn you away from your faith and or killed for the sake of saving the planet from your evil ideologies. Evil calling good evil is the times we live in. Welcome to the end times.
Report Post »jnobfan
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 11:25amThis is Obama care folks.
Report Post »They will demand that you pay for it.
They will demand that you take their drugs and will deny you the drugs you and your doctor decide you need.
ishka4me
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 11:27amsurprised it doesnt mandate jews to eat pork and lobster sandwhiches on the Sabbath.
Report Post »marion
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 11:28amDB321, like you said, if the Catholics helped in a big way to get Obama into office, then we as Catholics should be able to get him out also. While we are at it, California North needs to work to get rid of Nancy Pelosi, not because she is a Progressive or anything like that, no, no, no, it is because she is a liar and goes against her religious beliefs, rather blasphemous actually, and as a public speaker, her hatred for life and this country needs to be removed from the public arena, not to take her freedom of speech and religion away or anything like that, but because we the people should not have to pay anyone who has these beliefs.
Report Post »smithclar3nc3
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 11:29amRighthook wrote,
Report Post »SmithClar – That statement has zero validity. You spout factless babble. Nice try………
If you even bothered to try and look you’ld find new article after news article like this
http://www.iberianet.com/forum/catholic-church-supports-universal-healthcare/article_f3485d1f-14df-57db-b8d6-f7e03e432361.html
MS-GlenNBC
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 11:31amG E O R G E ~ S O R O S ~~ Speaks about Obama and Romney…. Glenn Beck Ignores
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyftC27vNp0
Soros could live with Romney and So could Glenn Beck aka “Lonsome Rhodes”
Report Post »teamarcheson
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 11:32amThe Bishop Is Right But Most Catholics Remain Neutral. Catholic Mothers Want Their Daughters To Have An Out If They Want To Have Sex Or Accidentally Get Pregnant.
My Archdiocese of Paterson, New Jersey, did not read or distribute the Bishop’s letter to Obama.
Report Post »My parish has remained neutral to the Pro-Life Issue and to this issue. Parishoners who attempt to change attitudes in the Parish are held in contempt.
vetswife
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 11:32amWe need to speek up. This is all out war against Christains. Stand up and fight!!
teamarcheson
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 11:34amObama, Pelosi, And Reid, get the hell out of America. Get the hell out.
Report Post »2theADDLED
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 11:35amDoes anyone see the rise of Hamas which grew out of the Muslim Brotherhood taking a hold in the U.S.
Report Post »believe it or not it is here. Dependency is a trademark of Hamas.
teamarcheson
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 11:36amMany Catholics Are Headed To FEMA Concentration Camps.
Congress has declared war on the American people and Catholics are enemy number one in this Regime.
Report Post »turkey13
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 11:37amObama should send Seal Team 6 to Rome and arrest the Pope on Holders orders! These Bishops are acting on his orders. After they arrest the Pope send him to Gitmo.The Muslims are afraid the Catholics will out produce them on babies. All other religions will fall in line after Obama gets this done and he has the power to arrest any terriost.
Report Post »AmazingGrace8
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 11:41am@patoweem
Agree!
Report Post »@leftfighter
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 11:43amAmen, brother.
I disagree doctrinally with the Catholics, but I’m shoulder-to-shoulder with them here.
This is *exactly* what I was talking about on the gay marriage story several days ago. This is all about dictating (because that’s what Dictators do) to the Church what we will do.
The example I used was: under the guise of “civil rights,” eventually the Administration will move to force churches to begin granting religious marriages to homosexuals- flying in the face of their morals and mores.
Take gay marriage out, put abortion and contraception in, and this is exactly the same thing.
Report Post »MrSteve_46
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 11:45amI’m with them. It is about time for a new “Just say No” campaign…………
Report Post »VigilantGuardShark
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 11:45amPelosi says she‘s Catholic the way a Psychologically damaged person says they’re God.
Report Post »TXPilot
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 11:46amFor everyone out there that has wondered just what Obama and people like him are, here you go. Obama and his minions are evil……simple as that. They are doing nothing less than trying to destroy us. They want to take our faith, our freedom, our money and our very lives eventually, so it is time to declare that people like this are nothing short of enemies of humanity, and their evil must be utterly destroyed, or this world is well and truly doomed.
Report Post »voxpopuli2012
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 11:47amThe American (Catholic) Church has been in the tank for progressive democrats for years. I know at least one priest who wore democrat campaign buttons under his vestments. Although I’m a Catholic, I haven’t been to church for years because of the progressivism flowing forth from the pulpit. I’m both glad and sorry to see that it has gotten to this, but I hope that the full weight of the federal governement falls down on them.
Report Post »Bible Quotin' Science Fearin' Conservative American
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 11:54am“SECRET SQUIRREL
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 10:36am
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It’s about time Christians started speaking up.”
——————–
Honestly, when have they ever shut up?
Report Post »VRW Conspirator
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 12:00pm@Smith…
don’t bash the Church just because they took the politicians at their word about “no funding for abortion” and then the politicians put it in anyway….and if you come out against the RCC on this…then how about all the other denominations of Christianity that supported Obamacare…or are now allowing pastors to openly be gay and “marry” their partners…or have openly gay national and international leaders…the majority of whom are lesbian – which is a whole other discussion about the roles of men and women in leadership of churches.
Report Post »RIGHTHOOK
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 12:01pm@SmithClar – The article and headline that you embrace is typical misleading journalism and you fell right into their trap. The Church believes that no one should be deprived of healthcare. It should be a human right and they believe the current system is broken and in dire need of repair. That does not mean they had a major gaffe and support Obamacare and his stance on abortion. “According to the Catholic bishops of the United States, the current health care system is in need of fundamental reform.” Do you agree the current system is adequate? I believe you simply have issues with the Catholic Church in general and your additional post’s support that assessment.
Report Post »turkey13
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 12:06pmNancy Polisi started this and got Obama on the ball to get back at the Pope. Remember her trip over to Rome on our dime when she was Queen be and carried that 60 pound gavel. The Pope refused to give her Saint Hood because of her beliefs abortion. He told her to come back after she asked for forgiveness – but you know how thats working out.
Report Post »3monkeysmomma
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 12:07pmI am Catholic and I always knew we would live to regret the support so many Catholics gave him in 2008. I remember being sickened walking though my church parking lot seeing car after car with Obama bumper stickers.
Catholics are good people but terribly niave.
Report Post »Treaty
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 12:32pmBible Quotin‘ Science Fearin’ Conservative American (aka Rainbow Flag Wavin Religious Hatin American)
You said “Honestly, when have they ever shut up?”
Seems obvious but let me help you out. They shut up when they didn’t speak out against Obama in 2008. Now that damage has been done they’re actively speaking out. Better get them illegal aliens on board cause that’s gonna be all the base you have left – and most of them are probably Catholic so good luck with that LOL.
Report Post »glassbeadlady
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 12:33pmWar on Christians and Jews, we can not allow this to happen and if the SOCUS doesn’t strike down this health-care, (that I call death care), the people will rise up. We the people will not go down without a fight. Both my Mother and two vets, my father and father in-law would be dead as the healthcare law limits the amount you can spend on health-care per year. $5,000 a year, my mother had breast cancer, my father (a vet) open heart surgery and my father in law, (a vet) lost his leg. They would all be gone under this new law. How do you think our chances are if we get sick? This is how they kill off the old in this country, obama’s goal……
Report Post »chicago76
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 12:39pmI am Catholic. I am also disgusted with the pandering of Church leaders to Obama before his election. He was a Marxist then and they ignored it. Marxist’s are all atheists and they ignored it. Now, they scream about him who they helped elect. They scream he betrayed us. No, he did not betray you, you chose to ignore who he was for what? What did you expect from a Marxist? Did you expect he would suddenly see the light? Fools, now you scream about him taking over the Church. All Marxists do that. They have tried it thru employment. Now, they are trying it thru healthcare. They won’t quit either. Next they will try it another way if trying to conquer the Church thru health care does not work. It is no coincidence that attacks on the Church are rampant now. I only pray that it is not too late for the leaders of the Church to finally come to their senses.
Report Post »UPSETVET
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 12:44pmI am an Evangelical Christian (Baptist) but I firmly applaud the Catholic Church’s stand against the requirments to provide contraceptives and abortion inducing drugs in their employee health plans. All Christians should join this fight against government tyranny that seems to progress daily under the Obama administration.
leklogic
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 12:47pmAnd so the HOLY WAR has now begun here.
Report Post »cuinsong
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 12:53pmObama does not care what you say its his way or the hyway! That’s why I am hedging my bets on 2012 Maya prophesy after this news. things look suspiciously close to the end of the world prophesy to me and it sounds like “The End Times”
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Bible Quotin' Science Fearin' Conservative American
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 12:53pmTREATY
you say that as though you haven’t already lost the election with your pathetic top two candidates ripping each other to shreds BEFORE Obama spends a dime of his ad money to do the same thing.
Report Post »Kathleen
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 12:54pmYou see! He IS a Marxist.
He is not Christian, he is not even Muslim. The man only worships himself.
Report Post »db321
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 1:01pmMarion – God Bless You! You could not have said it any better – I feel you pain along with million’s of others – the solution is to surround Nancy and her followers of Satan in the Congress and Senate with God Fearing Conservatives that will squash every move she and others like her makes.
This is a Great Day for God and his followers – I am so glad that God has spoken to the Catholics Church, who is the most loyal of all Congregations – NOW, the question is will the congregation listen? God Bless the Catholic Church, it’s leadership, and it’s loyal Congregation.
Obama and his State Run Media now has lest than a year to demonize the Catholic Church and I will be the 1st one to stand up in support and give my life if I have too to defend God! When God is before you – who can be against you! Let GOD Arise and let his Enemies be scattered!
Report Post »RJL
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 1:10pmMS you are so right again. From the horses mouth there is no difference between Muttenhead (I saved the olympics) Romney and Obama.
Beck spends more time on the radio saying about how he dosen’t support Romney than he actually does saying he supports any other candidate.
We have to stop Romney/Obama now. Florida you can’t be serious in voted for this imposter.
Report Post »Caleb-Texas
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 1:27pm@Spankdamonkey
Keep your poisonous cynicism to your self and instead stand up and defend religious freedom
It is unbelievable that some (not all) so-called “Bible Christians” take any opportunity to take cheap shots at Catholics. It is shameful considering the dark times we are living. I understand that I am only picking on a minority of people on this forum but they are relentless on their attack.
All Christ loving people should be praying for unity and understanding so that love can overcome the darkness.
St. Ignatious of Antioch pray for unity!
Caleb
P.S. St. Ignatious was the third Bishop of the Antioch form 70 to 107 and he is consider to be a Father of the Church and Doctor of Unity. He died as a martyr.
Report Post »janthames
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 1:28pmMy Priest didn’t read this. This is the problem with the Catholic Church, is that we have people who do not want to upset those in the congregation. Our congregation is about 80% Democrat. They go to church and then they live their life anyway they want. Most of them are involved with receiving agricultural subsidies so they vote their pocketbook. It is disgusting to say the least.
Report Post »TomFerrari
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 1:31pm@catb…
You are HALF correct…
You said you recall “mu sl ims are exempt from [obamacare]”
In fact, they are COVERED by the BENEFITS of obamacare. BUT…
Because it is “insurance” you are forced to buy, and because they consider “insurance” a form of “gambling,” they are EXEMPT from PAYING for it.
(the muslims are protected from violating their conscience – from paying for insurance)
They will be COVERED by the obamacare insurance, but will not have to pay for it.
Many call this a tax on Christians, Jews, and other non-islamics.
In islam there is a “tax” called “JIZYA”.
“jizya” is a transfer of wealth from the non-islamic to the islamic…
SOUND FAMILIAR???
Take a few minutes and do a search on “jizya”
Report Post »JesusH.Christ
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 1:40pm@DB321
You speak like that of a complete LUNATIC. All of your “God Fearin’” talk is what makes God angry (and gives everyone else a headache). This whole notion of yours that God is something to be FEARED is the first item on the list that indicates that YOU NEED HELP.
I’ve been saying this for over 2000 years and STILL nobody is listening:
Report Post »God is LOVE! GOD IS LOVE!!!! Do not FEAR God for God is LOVE.
Your beliefs are rooted in fear, not love. I’ll pray for you, though I doubt it will help.
trueblue533
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 1:43pmSMITHCLAR3NC3-Seriously?!?! using the Iberianet reader submitted forum as your source of information? I used to live in that area and we all know the “validness” of some of those entries.
Here is the link to the actual letter released by the USCCB dated 30 Sept 2009 addressed to the US Senate:
http://old.usccb.org/sdwp/national/2009-09-30-healthcare-letter-senate.pdf
There is clearly NOT a wholesale support of Obama Care.
Report Post »Charity in Truth
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 2:16pmYesterday, I was in the pews listening to our Priest reading this letter. We pewsitters need to get off the pews and say “NO” to this violation of our consciences, and “REPEAL OBAMACARE”. How can we entrust the government with our healthcare when it has legalized the killing of over 53 million unborn babies since 1973? 2012 Vote first for those who will respect all human life from the moment of conception to natural death, and small government. Check their voting records.
Family Research Council Scorecard – click on your State: http://www.frcaction.org/scorecard
Report Post »AlbaL
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 2:23pmI am a Catholic and was appalled that my church included universal healthcare in the Prayer of the Faithful during the ObamaCare debate. During the 2008 election my husband and I were run out of the parking lot of the Venice, FL Cathedral while we were putting pro-life leaflets in the parked car. We were told that we were being “Divisive”! Now the Catholic Church is reaping what they sowed. The Catholic Church, especially the US Conference of Catholic Bishops and their “social justice” crowd, supported ObamaCare. Now they are complaining and trying to mobilize us…I say too little too late!
Report Post »tgthompson
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 2:27pm@jesus.christ…fear of God
Report Post »For the unbeliever, the fear of God is the fear of the judgment of God and eternal death, which is eternal separation from God (Luke 12:5; Hebrews 10:31). For the believer, the fear of God is something much different. The believer’s fear is reverence of God. Hebrews 12:28-29 is a good description of this: “Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, let us be thankful, and so worship God acceptably with reverence and awe, for our ’God is a consuming fire.’” This reverence and awe is exactly what the fear of God means for Christians. This is the motivating factor for us to surrender to the Creator of the Universe.
JesusH.Christ
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 2:50pm@ TGTHOMPSON
Thank you for that clarification TG. It was well said. But you know what I’m talking about here. This craziness has got to stop! Right Wing Religious fanaticism in the name of God is WRONG. Using God as your tool to spew forth your agenda is abhorrent. Not just from this guy, from ANYONE. Including these “so called” political leaders. It makes me furious to hear God mentioned whenever someone has a political agenda that they want to force down someone else’s throat. It‘s wrong and immoral to use God as your weapon for every single argument that can’t be settled amongst you. This is what starts wars. And God doesn’t want that!
The idea that God is the bottom line on EVERYTHING you people do on earth is absurd. At some point you all need to start taking responsibility for your own actions and stop using God as an excuse. “Oh, God wants me to do this, God wants me to do that”. God wants me to punish the wicked and strike them down”. It’s gotten WAY out of hand what you folks think God is and what he represents. God doesn’t want you to fight and hurt and kill each other. Certainly not in his name.
If you fear God, even as you have described it, then you better get it together down there because there WILL be a day of reckoning and I‘m sorry to say that the majority of you won’t be getting a room at the Inn.
with love (and frustration),
Report Post »JHC
grandma7
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 2:50pmCatholic all my life. I’ve been SO disappointed with the leaders of the Catholic Church and their handling of this administration and the leaders of the Democrats. Finally……..they have stepped up. Hopefully this will help the members of the Catholic church follow suit.
Report Post »Polwatcher
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 2:52pmFinally…it is beyond me how the Catholic Bishops can be so liberal when the definition of liberal has been changed to mean athiest and marxist. They, including Catholic Pelosi, wanted Obama and now they have to deal with his athieism. We are asol in the process of being fooled again by Romney who wanted and got a health care program for Massachusettes that is identical to Obamacare. I seriously doubt that Romney will eliminate Obamacare if he is elected. He will only tweak it around the edges. Romney is a pure 100% liberal.
Report Post »koyettsu
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 2:54pmI am Catholic and can honestly say that the Catholic church brought this upon themselves. They have been taking the side of Democrats for years on social issues and now they are going to have to sleep in the bed they made. I hope this is a wake up call for them but somehow I doubt it.
Report Post »Bum thrower
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 2:55pmBetter yet, got off their pews and get out and vote the bastards out!~!!
Report Post »balance2scale
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 3:06pmI thank God that the Catholic Church has taken a stand for God and us. I am a Catholic and I love the church. I have many children and one was born with CF – we lost her at 16 and she taught me the meaning of life. She was the single most important influnce in my life. Human life is the most important thing we have. I did not vote for Obama last time because of his love for Saul Alinsky, and Sauls praise for Lucifer. I am so proud of the Church.
Report Post »cloudsofwar
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 3:15pm@smith…. the catholic church did not endorse obamacare it was a few vocal catholics (we have our liberals to). the church stands rock solid against abortion. i was at mass on sunday and our priest read the letter and i feel this is a clear line drawn. there is great evil in our land and it’s the Progressives. God protect our CHURCHES.
Report Post »Jaycen
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 3:20pmDear President Obama and other Communists,
Go pound sand.
Sincerely,
Us.
Report Post »brianeitz
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 3:25pmIn reply to :DB321
When you say “Catholics put Obama in office”, while part of this may be true…these Catholics are not true practicing Catholics (as Pelosi). Just like many religious there are so called watered down believers who pick and choose what they want to believe in. I’m sure we all can agree here.
I’m a practicing Catholic and would never in 100 years vote or Obama.
Report Post »Anybody but Obama! so at least all GOOD Christians are wanting him out before it gets worse!
PubliusPencilman
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 3:27pmWait just a minute here goofballs–
Quite a few of you here are ignoring the obvious fact that nothing in this mandate does anything like “supply” anyone with contraceptives or abortions. Is it that none of you actually understand what insurance is? All it means is that contraceptives are covered IF the person chooses to use them.
So many of you claim that choice is a key aspect of faith–well, anyone at these Catholic institutions can choose not to use contraception. The idea that having it covered under insurance is equal to giving people contraceptives implies that it was cost rather than faith that was preventing them from using it in the first place.
Everyone take a deep breath and THINK.
Report Post »kconservative
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 3:30pmHas anyone else noticed theblaze censoring more and more comments? I posted a couple anti Obama comments that posted then dissappeared on this thread. Blaze didnt use to do that but they are doing it more and more…. Only reason I come to this site vs Drudge is so I can chat with others. If Blaze keeps censoring comments I wont be coming back. I understand if the comments were racist or inflamatory, but we are talking about tame critism of Barrack Obama.
Report Post »joeblowfromkokamo
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 3:53pmWell there ya go you wonderful bleeding heart purest libs! What happened to your separation of church and state!? This exactly why the founding fathers put it in the constitution to STOP Gov from doing!!!
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 4:02pm“We have to pass the Bill so that you can find out what is in it” Nancy Pelosi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoE1R-xH5To
Holder and 2 Agents were seen boarding a plane for The Vatican. One of the Agents was carrying a set of Gold handcuffs. { :>)
Report Post »AntiRePUBICan
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 4:14pmNext thing you know they will cover mens sexual health items such as viagra, cialis, prostate health . . . oh yeah, they already do.
Report Post »Does the Catholic church have a problem with that part of the heatlth care bill?
UBKidding
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 4:16pmThe Church has been speaking out against Obama since his candidacy and it is nonsense for anyone to suggest in the reply section that they stopped going to Church because the Bishops supported Obamacare. You don‘t go to Church because you weren’t going.
The Church has always held a position to help those in need and have voiced for decades that we should give access to healthcare to all that need it. But never did they endorse Obama nor Obamacare and came out fully against him and this policy.
Obamacare is the last swipe at Catholics, look at all the adoption centers closed, hospitals that have closed, etc. due to laws outlawing faith.
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 4:19pmBishop to Obama, “We will not comply.”
Obama to Bishop, “Resistance is futile.”
Were the Borg a type of Community Organizer? Is Obama a Borg?
Report Post »Thatsitivehadenough
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 4:21pmDEMOCRATS = COMMUNISTS.
NO doubt in my mind.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 4:22pm@Publius
OK, took a deep breath…………and I thought………..and you are still an idiot.
Report Post »AOL_REFUGEE
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 4:34pmIs this not a case where the church could opt to pay the penalty instead of providing Obyssmalcare at all and save money? That would make LOTS of registered voters real happy, wouldn’t it, O’Dumbass?
Report Post »king1
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 4:47pmI am proud of the church see if cafetria catholics listen they tend to ignore the parts of the church that they don’t agree with so they can say there catholic but really there not.
Report Post »TAKE_AMERICA_BACK
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 5:03pmJust like the libs want religion out of government, the government should stay out of religion.
Report Post »shughes1972
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 5:13pmThe church is the true evil out there. They have been feeding garbage to people for centuries. Its not real and no one has a counter argument that holds an ounce of water. Teach your kids that living and loving life doesn‘t have to involve a life wasted believing in something that isn’t real.
Report Post »Fla Del
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 5:17pmWho pays for the STDs stemming from Safe Sex through drugs and condoms that do not stop them.?
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 5:21pmIt’s difficult to feel sorry for the Catholic Church on this one. They mostly supported Obama and certainly Obamacare. They chose to lay with ultra-liberals and utterly ignored the history of being “chummy” with leftists. As we see constantly played out with OWS…the left has no friends. They court you and flatter you until they get what they want then they throw you to the wolves or assault you themselves. I‘ll support the church in it’s rejection of the Obamacare mandate (and before the lefties here bleat about “the constitution”…the constitutionality of Obamacare is very much in question) but I can’t have too much sympathy for them. We saw through Obama’s mask, the church should have also.
Report Post »PATTY HENRY
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 5:34pmI LOVE MY CATHOLIC CHURCH. IT has been the best ‘move’ I’ve ever made. I was a convert just before 9/11 … The Catholic Church does NOT grab people, force people, lie to people to get them to join..in fact it takes a lot of effort to become a Catholic. I love the Magisterium (result of the (huge reference library containing THE history of THE world -unchallenged in it’s authority and scope)
I don’t care what is asked of me, I don’t care what happens to me. I will NOT go against GOD and GOD’S Teachings. THANK YOU CATHOLIC CHURCH for not chickening out!!! THANK YOU!! THANK YOU GOD!!
Report Post »neverfinal
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 5:47pmThis is what happens when you get in bed with evil men. All faiths need to refuse anything these fraudulent corrupt Government tries to shove down our throats. Obama care was passed illegally according to our Constitution.
Report Post »All faiths need to get behind the Catholic, because you will be next.
I have inside information that the NWO in 2012 will remove faith and Religion. Sounding like Communism and Islamic Sharia Law is coming at us. The signs have been there all along, still no one will listen.
AlbaL
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 6:19pmI wish the Bishops had been this vocal when the Catholic Church supported ObamaCare. During the ObamaCare debate my Church, St. Thomas More of Sarasota FL, added universal healthcare to the Prayer of the Faithful. During the 2008 elections, while my husband and I were placing pro-life leaflets on the cars parked at the Epiphany Cathedral in Venice Florida during the early morning Mass, we were admonished by parishioners to get out and stop dividing the faithful. I would have never thought that being pro-life would have been a divisive issue in the Catholic Church. It seems to me that both the Catholic Bishops and the American Catholics in general are reaping what the sowed.
Report Post »lanurse1
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 6:35pmI hope hte Catholic Church does not lose Tax exempt status from introducing this letter to the congregations~~this may have been an Obama trap
Report Post »wilobe
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 6:40pmOBAMA DisQualification Trial, Atlanta GA, Jan 26th
History in the making….. You are there….
Part #1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOcpn-E_JAY&feature=related
Part #2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDOml8NqZqE&feature=related
Part #3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-CzIpm5vWQ&feature=related
Part #4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-CzIpm5vWQ&feature=related
Part #5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-o2M4Pszv4&feature=watch_response
Part #6 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2OrGv7zKTM&feature=watch_response
Wrap-up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diatZHDLdzA&feature=related
Report Post »Sonoran_Hiker
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 6:42pm@Publius…
I thought and here’s my answer to you:
The issue is NOT about the choice of using the abortion servicess, or contraceptives…it is about the government forcing a religious institution to PAY FOR IT and provide it. It’s called hypocricy where I come from; to oppose something and then actually provide it.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 6:44pmI’d argue it was pretty evil for the Catholic church to make a treaty with Hitler, and then help Nazi’s flee south after the war.
I’d argue it was pretty evil for the Catholic church to have a built in institution for molestation of boys.
I’d argue it was pretty evil for the Catholic church to teach “Aids is bad, but condoms are worse.”
The fact that this institution is still prevalent in our society speaks volumes about our society when it comes to religion.
Report Post »Susie40
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 6:51pmI know of a few, only a few liberal Catholics, Bishops and nuns who were suckered by this thing. All the Catholics I know and everything I have ever been taught as a Catholic do NOT, never have and never will support Obamacare!
Report Post »diablamonkey
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 7:18pmI am not Catholic but good for them for standing up to this tyrannical government- we should all take a page from this playbook and say enuf is enuf- I will stand with this church and anyone else who wants to stand against a government out of control and becoming just like Hitler Germany
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 7:24pm@MOD
And thus your post perfectly sums up your reason for coming here at all.
To argue.
To incite.
To demean.
To stir the pot.
I remember many of this type back in high school. They did not amount to much.
Report Post »YoungConservativesRule
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 7:24pm@ Moderation
You‘re so full of **** it isn’t even funny.
Report Post »ParishionerUSA
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 7:28pm@Tradexpertbuysell Bishops have done worse than support Obamacare and they probably will in the future. Not going to Mass on Sunday is a mortal sin. You going to lose your soul to eternal damnation because some Bishops sin? Please don’t do that again. I can almost guarantee that Bishops will disappoint you again. I have felt extreme outrage at several things Bishops have done and it has shaken my faith as well. But it is each individuals own free will that gains them entrance to His kingdom. I have learned of actions by Bishops that literally made me sick to my stomach but God won’t excuse you because the Bishops upset us.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 7:42pmHey MOD,
I believe I’m starting to see a pattern here.
It’s no so much “Christians” in general that you have a big problem with, but it’s the Catholic Church specifically that offends you.
Isn’t it?
Report Post »j.m.k.12345
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 7:45pmCatholics that vote for politicians that support abortions and other things that go against our teachings should not be allowed to vote. While some of you may say that Catholics supported Obama or “made a deal with the devil and have to repent for it” is just like saying that all Asians can speak Chinese. I did not vote for Obama, I do not and did not support his health bill, and I also do not speak Chinese. Stop trying to meticulously find the one bug in the food so that you can immediately throw us under the bus.
Report Post »Jackers
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 7:46pmChristians of all denominations must unite and fight against the ongoing onslaught against our beliefs and freedom of religion…
Report Post »Fearnone
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 7:47pmFirst of all, I am a Catholic Christian. Through either aparent ignorance or some other agenda, some so-called Christians who are not Catholic seem to jump on any opportunity to bash and criticize my faith. This is a time for cohesion among Christians instead of spouting remarks about other Christian faiths, remember the saying “United we stand, divided we fall?” Catholics did not elect Obama, but I would bet those non-Catholic Christians who go to their church on Sunday morning played a much bigger role. Aren’t Al Sharpton & Jesse Jackson Babtist ministers? So unless you have a legitimate reason, such as being a left-wing nut, please refrain from the condemnation of something that you know little about.
Report Post »unholy1
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 7:57pmThis just isn’t an issue for religion. I’m an agnostic and crap like this really irritates me. I’ll stand with the church on this one.
Report Post »Wolf
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 8:03pmAbsoloutely agree- it’s about making inroads into our rights as human beings, not just Americans or catholics. Totally an affront to the First, Fourth and Tenth Ammendments. Not that those matter since NDAA has come into effect. Everyone who didn’t write their congress people and protest that bill deserves what they get.
Report Post »SavedByTheLamb
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 8:16pmThe lack of Christian unity on this blog is sickening.
Report Post »SavedByTheLamb
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 8:20pmGood luck all of you anti-Catholic haters on this blog. Obama is coming for you next.
Report Post »Wolf
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 8:32pm@ Jesus Christ… you state… “…@DB321
You speak like that of a complete LUNATIC. All of your “God Fearin’” talk is what makes God angry (and gives everyone else a headache). This whole notion of yours that God is something to be FEARED is the first item on the list that indicates that YOU NEED HELP.
I’ve been saying this for over 2000 years and STILL nobody is listening:
Report Post »God is LOVE! GOD IS LOVE!!!! Do not FEAR God for God is LOVE.
Your beliefs are rooted in fear, not love. I’ll pray for you, though I doubt it will help….”
Now, since you beleive this- you must since you espouse it- then why do the Scriptures say, “Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.”?
Obviously, you have no wisdom.
Armed Patriot
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 8:35pmSatan walks this earth. Pelosi is his foot solider, if not a demon outright, as well as Obama and Reed. God, forgive us, the moral failures that we have embraced. Please embrace us, empower us, enable us to defeat the evil that now walks the earth, in your name. We are sinners. Let us repent in service through you, to do the deeds that you instructs us to do, through you, to right this evil, to defeat this evil, though Gog and Magog if necessary.Father, forgive us our sins, our arrogance, our short comings. Let us be servants to the cross and to your deeds. Let us walk in the sunlight of your spirit and demonstrate your will. Amen.
Report Post »Armed Patriot
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 8:57pmBible Quotin‘ Science Fearin’ Conservative American… Anti American, anti christian, troll. Go back to Msnbc, you terd bucket.
Report Post »voxpopuli2012
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 9:05pmI think that its fair to say that “Catholics helped elect Obama.” According the the Pew Forum, 54% of Catholics indcated that they voted for Obama in exit polls. Of identifiable religious groups, only Jews supported Obama by greater numbers (78%). Catholic social teaching, aka “Justice & Peace” has been drifting leftward for years.
Report Post »punyhuman
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 11:14pm..no king but caesar…
Report Post »2theADDLED
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 11:32pm@ kconservative
Report Post »A lot of comments are indeed bumped off this sight not neccessarily do to the blaze but also the ISP’s are monitoring as well. If you post on this site you have made the roundup list. You can’t trust anything anymore they have agitators posting on here now to provoke. I personally do not care they have a dossier on me for some time. They can see me and I can see them so this to will go in my dossier.
Hi !
LibertarianForLife
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 11:34pmAmazing how you want to interject your invisible space father into the public sphere, yet you wish to be exempt from law. I am completely against any mandate whatsoever, but you people need to stop being so hypocritical.
Report Post »maryhuldah
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:13amDitto!
Report Post »psadie
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:21amDidn’t Newt just say that Christianity is under attack? Go get ‘em Newt!
Report Post »metalurgy
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:32am@ Nancy Pelosi
Nancy, I’m a Catholic. You are no Catholic. You are a heretic and excommunicate yourself by supporting a pro-infantcide political ajenda.
Eternity is a long time Nancy, mend your ways, I pray you, before it’s too late.
“The fruit of abortion is nuclear war.” – Sister Theresa
Report Post »Jim213
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 3:04amI am Catholic and there is only one person I wished was aborted !
Report Post »linda1010
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 7:08amFirst they attacked (“came for”) the Jews, then they attacked (“came for”) the Catholics … who will be left when they attack (“come for”) … YOU?
Report Post »Tifn8r
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 7:28amDecades ago, when politics and religion were removed from the general discourse, our country began to take a turn for the worse.
It amazes me that people of faith and conscience continue to adhere to the ideas that you should never talk about religion and politics, and similarly that you shouldn’t mix politics and religion.
Our founders knew that only by creating a government based on belief in God, and adhering to God’s Natural Law, could the United States avoid the pitfalls of the monarchies, dictatorships, and other forms of authoritarian government prevalent throughout Europe.
We have strayed from their wisdom. By eliminating the powerful influence of Faith, our country has spiraled downward to a point where Bioethicists compare terminating human life to weeding a garden, and it doesn’t even make the headlines. Participation in and acceptance of abortion is being forced upon everyone, regardless of religious convictions, and our pulpits are silent.
Until we become a people brave enough to say we’ve had enough, we will continue to have our rights stripped from us, and our freedoms destroyed. That applies to us as individuals, as Americans, and as Catholics.
We must become brave enough to bring our faith to the forefront and stand for what we believe in.
We must unapologetically base our political decisions on our foundations of faith and morality, and not back down when confronted by those who wish to eliminate faith from the public square.
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Report Post »geob1970
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 7:49amMost of you are almost completely missing the true nature and true goal behind this move on the part of those in power. This is not about attacking Catholics nor is it about subjugating religion or religious people.
Report Post »This is just one more attack on in the war that Obama and his ilk have been waging for years on the Constitution.
Slowly but surely the rights that the Constitution was supposed to guarantee are being eroded. Without the Constitution we have no foundation, no control on what the Government does.
In most cases you do not win a war with one big attack. It is a series of smaller attacks that weaken your enemy to the point they can no longer fight.
This, in many peoples eyes, is just an attack against Catholics and therefore not worthy of much attention if you aren’t Catholic.
Next step will be something else targeting another small segment of the population. This will continue until we will have a virtual, if not actual, dictatorship and everyone will be sitting around scratching their heads wondering when all of this happened.
Instead of focusing on defending your own little section of society or your religion defend the Constitution because the Constitution, if followed as written, protects not just you but everyone regardless of race, creed or religious belief.
dragonfire777
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 10:30amThe Catholic church backed Obama knowing he was pro-murder, uh, I mean pro-abortion. They tthought they would be exempt, knowing Obama is a cancer that will eat away at everything decent and good about our country. When you dance with the devil, you have to pay the price. Now look at them. Obama like a bad dog will turn and bite you.
Report Post »JesusH.Christ
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 10:53am@ Moderationisbest,
You could argue these facts (and sadly, they are indeed facts) and you would be right. But sadder still is the fact that you can not convince anyone of the truth,.. if they choose not to believe it.
@Therightsofbilly,
“And thus your post perfectly sums up your reason for coming here at all”.
To critisize.
Report Post »To protest.
To kvetch.
To stew.
It’s a two way street, Billy. Grow up. You’re not in high school anymore.
JesusH.Christ
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 10:54am@Fearnone,
Without realizing it, you exposed the truth about the Christian Conservative movement. There is no cohesion. No common ground. No understanding of anything or anyone except what THEY choose to believe and screw everyone else.
“It’s their fault, not ours”. “It’s THEM or US”. “KILL or BE KILLED”. That’s the mindset of the Christian collective. Always has been. “Believe as we believe,… or die”.
Well,.. You’re right. There is no cohesion. And based on it’s history, it doesn’t appear that there ever will be.
@WOLF,
I’m wise enough to know that FEAR is the enemy. Fear is a tactic used by man to subjugate his fellow man. F.E.A.R. is False Evidence Appearing Real.
Your leaders are grand illusionists.
@VOXPOP-
Report Post »There’s one group in particular that you neglected to mention,… The Republicans.
If ANYONE is responsible for electing Obama, it’s the Republicans. Simply because of the way they behave. And they’re gonna do it again.
sodacrackers2
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:20pmI am Catholic and worked for the Church for many years and would not then or ever consider voting for Obama. His words do not match his deeds. He, Obama, follows the “first community organizer-Lucifer” (Bill Ayers, Rules for Radicals). Personally I do not know a Catholic who voted for him, but I do know that the Church is full of sinners. Who can understand why any Christian or Jew would vote for a man who does not value life, conscience, the rule of law, our Constitution, who thinks the end justifies the means… Pray for strength and courage for the Bishops to refuse to obey this unjust law.
Report Post »mattsmoski
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:27pmChristians have always spoken up on this matter. Ever since Roe vs Wade the pro-life group has always spoken up and protested the killing of the unborn. Christians have been the main driving force, and will continue to be and even more.
Report Post »sternlight
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 7:26pmAs an observant Jew, I stand with Catholics on this. It is a matter of conscience.
David Sternlight, PhD
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Grey Eagle
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 8:29pmI am not Catholic either, but I am also in their corner. Obama may have picked on the wrong people this time. They may take a bite out of him.
Report Post »sdbonkowski
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 2:56ameveryone needs to start speaking up from all religions. This effects everyone. I don’t know about everyone else but I see these attacks on our Constitution, freedom, liberty as acts of treason… While these “people” are trying to take our freedoms and destroy this country all I can ask is why aren’t we taking theirs? can’t we take him/them out of office before any more damage is done? Impeach them remove them from office the right way and do it with haste. I’m a quadriplegic and already confined to a chair. I’ve had much taken from me I refuse to let someone take away what I have left. What‘s next someone deciding I’m not of any value? I say we remove the cancer in our government while we still have the ability and tools our founding fathers and higher power “god” gave us. Sorry I am mad and frustrated after reading this and many stories. I would like to know what I can do. If anything, someone in my situation.
Report Post »Mellowgirl
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 10:22amI am wondering about the cause of this heated rethoric. No constitutional rights are being taken away – Catholics and anyone else is free as ever to exercise and follow their religious conscience! Just say NO to using the new services included in your health plan! ! The fact is, that this is an attempt standardize which procedures need to be covered in any health plan offered to employees. It has nothing to do with forcing anyone. Just because most basic TV packages include pornographic channels, doesn’t mean that everyone will automatically watch them or that people need to ditch the TV-provider! Is the Catholic church afraid that catholics will not follow their own religious conscience? Is that why they need to make sure that no-one has access to offending procedures, regardless of that individual’s convictions? There is no conspiracy! Wake up! Lots of catholics are already using contraception. This smacks more of a Republican attack on Democrats than anything else!
Report Post »Susie40
Posted on March 7, 2012 at 5:39pmFor Publiuspencilman:
For you look, but you do not see.
Report Post »Forcing the Church to pay for supplies that are against church teachings is indeed forcing those church members to ‘sin’ according to their teachings. Our First Amendment forbids the gov. from altering the free exercise of religion. The person in the WH says” ‘sin’ is what goes against my principles”. He is NOT the one who defines sins for churches. Helping your neighbor to sin makes you Just As Guilty as the one doing it.
makeemstop
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 10:26amIts a direct attack on all Christians. How anyone calls them self a Christian and can support Obama at the same time – is beyond me.
Report Post »smithclar3nc3
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 10:41amYou can’t be Christian and support Obama …..it’s impossible. You can be fake Christian and support him but in doing so you support his ideologies like late term abortion…….You make a deal with the devil and you’ll inherit hell.
Report Post »dsuitts
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 11:34amSo true. Any ‘Chrisitan’ that is a registered Democrat is NOT a Christian. One cannot support God‘s words and in the same breath support the Democratic platform’s stance on ‘Pro-Choice’ and abortion.
Report Post »db321
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 1:08pmObama has a Plan – Obama is a Man – Obama beliefs do not edify God!
God to has a plan – God is God! – God’s plan was outlined in the Bible!
It’s Game Time – The Game is on the Line! – Who do You Choose to follow? – God or Man? Think about it – eternity deepens on it!
Report Post »JesusH.Christ
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 2:13pm@DB321
Look pal, I’m probably the most patient and understanding individual you could ever know, but even I have a limit. You DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT!!! And every time you make these screwball statements about God and what God is, you make yourself look like a complete fool. An out of control, right wing extremist, religious fanatic with absolutely NO CONCEPT of God WHAT-SO-EVER!!!!! You need to STOP using God’s name in all of your dogmatic nonsense and start asking for forgiveness.
I‘m tellin’ ya,… God hears you. And if you keep this up,… well,… let’s just say that,.. come judgement day,… you should pack for warm weather.
Take heed, my words. For I tellest thou the truth.
and btw, who do you think “WROTE” the Bible? Think about it for a moment.
Report Post »tgthompson
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 2:34pm@jesush.christ…fear of God
Report Post »For the unbeliever, the fear of God is the fear of the judgment of God and eternal death, which is eternal separation from God (Luke 12:5; Hebrews 10:31). For the believer, the fear of God is something much different. The believer’s fear is reverence of God. Hebrews 12:28-29 is a good description of this: “Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, let us be thankful, and so worship God acceptably with reverence and awe, for our ’God is a consuming fire.’” This reverence and awe is exactly what the fear of God means for Christians. This is the motivating factor for us to surrender to the Creator of the Universe.
AntiRePUBICan
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 4:22pmPlease people, read the letter, read the health care bill. Nobody is forcing anybody to take anything they don’t want to take. What they are saying is that if a woman does not want to have children, she can make that decision and get prescription meds to insure that.
Report Post »If a man still wants to get a hard-on with their shriveled mass that once was, they can get meds for that too. Stop this assault on womens reproductive systems.
ModerationIsBest
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 6:45pmGod’s plan was outlined in the Bible….which was written by men……who are fallible, oh wait, except these guys weren’t, They were infallible.
Report Post »db321
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 10:35pmJesus H.Christ – I purposely have been ignoring your comments because I wasn’t sure if you are of sound mind – I understand that Satan has “mighty power” and some followers of Satan know the Bible better than most. However, I have solitude in knowing that Jesus has “Almighty Power” and he is not leaning over the balconies of Heaven taken Maalox worried about the situations going on in the World today.
The fact is that I am a street fighter for the lord, I go where Kumbaja singing, and Christmas and Easter Christian would never consider going – I go to places where God is needed most – and I go willfully with Jesus in my heart and the Bible as my weapon. I have seen the power of Jesus name make the deaf hear and the blind see, I have even seen people suffering from leprosy healed before my very eyes the very moment they asked Jesus into their heart.
People who dress up or use the name of others scare the heck out of me – I have two suggestions for you – drop the screen name and read the Bible! You’ll find that our short time on earth the Bible teaches us to put on the whole armor of God and defeat Satan every chance we get.
This may come as a big shock, but when Jesus returns to earth, he will not be driving up in a VW Bus with a piece sign painted on the the side. He will return riding a White horse and swinging a very big sword. The Bible even teaches us of Jesus’ fury when he turned over the Bingo Tables in the Synagog. Now take your pills and go to s
Report Post »JesusH.Christ
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 8:50amDB321,
Report Post »Your little sermons are rife with the call to arms.
Those who live by the sword, shall die by the sword.
Fat Pappy
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 10:25amGood for the Catholic Church! Now let the Christian, anti-Obama rebellion begin!
Report Post »ZeldaZick
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 11:13amSo it begins. Wait until our new homosexual Army comes into your church and removes your Pastor, and so it begins!
Report Post »db321
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 11:19amI am not a Catholic – I am a God Fearing member of the of the teaching of Jesus Christ – I stand in front of all Catholics who now are forced to take a stand against this radical Obama administration and take a stand for GOD!
Thank you Lord for choosing the Catholics to start the revival that will wake up the World!
Report Post »db321
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 11:24amIf Obama can go after Catholics in an a election year – what will he do in a 2nd term – Obama must be stopped now! Catholics – trust God here – if God goes before you and behind you – then who can be against you. Thank you to all the Catholics Bishops for making a stand – God Bless You all!
Report Post »BV FROM TX
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 3:13pmFirst they came for the Catholics and I said nothing; then they came for Jews and I said nothing; then they came for the Christians. Where was I?
Report Post »cloudsofwar
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 3:30pmi’m catholic, please call your reps to support hr1179/s1467 Rights of Conscience Act. the bills are still in committee. if Obama gets away with this no religion is safe. and just think how his second term will be. we have to send him back to wherever he came from.
Report Post »Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 10:24amWhere are all the “separation of Church and State” people? They usually come out when there is a story of a Church doing something with or against the government. I don‘t have a problem with what the Church is doing and I think Obama needs to stay out of the Church’s business.
Report Post »USPATRIOT101
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 10:29amWait until you see what happens when people like me don’t play the obamacare game. I will not be part of that commy program.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 10:35amTHe Church is acting as an employer and needs to treat all its employees equally, that includes health care for its female workders. The old supersitions of the Catholic Church have no place in the 21st Century.
barber2
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 10:42amENCIN: Those old superstitions you refer to are called Articles of Faith. ( guess the pope needs to hear from you since you seem to have some new inspired ( ? ) information direct from the Holy Spirit . )
Report Post »americansfightingforcommonsense
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 10:43am@ENCINOM
Report Post »You have no place in this nation. Go back to whatever communist/Marxist country you came from, because you do not belong HERE.
smithclar3nc3
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 10:43amThe old supersitions of the Catholic Church have no place in the 21st Century.
Report Post »Anyone that sees valuing human life as “an old supersition” has no place in society or the church.
Holger Danske
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 10:45amPrecisely! If liberals take Jefferson’s letter to the Danbury Baptists seriously and consider it a guide to understanding the first Amendment, then they must also accept this paragraph from the letter: “Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.” None of our natural rights can be in opposition to social duties — that is, we cannot be compelled by government to act against rights bestowed on us by God, including life.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 10:49am@Encinom
How totalitarian of you. Some people have beliefs you don’t ascribe to, thus, you feel smugly justified in pulling a gun on them and forcing them to behave how you believe they should.
And I‘ll bet a full dollar that you don’t see anything wrong with this impulse you have.
Report Post »rush_is_right
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 10:58am“THe Church is acting as an employer and needs to treat all its employees equally, that includes health care for its female workders. The old supersitions of the Catholic Church have no place in the 21st Century.”
I see you’ve polished your jack-boots and starched your brown shirt today!!!
Report Post »USPATRIOT101
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 11:11amEnciom, the church is not in the business of birth control. If a woman wants this type of care she will have to go outside the church for it.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 12:09pmamericansfightingforcommonsense
Report Post »Posted on January 30, 2012 at 10:43am
@ENCINOM
You have no place in this nation. Go back to whatever communist/Marxist country you came from, because you do not belong HERE.
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Looks like the Facist Right are at it again. We no no love of the Constitution, Beckerheads make the typical agree with the tea-baggers or leave argument. Sorry, those of us that can think disagree and we are staying here not matter what you or your war criminal Rep West has to say.
sdarbro
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 12:43pmENCINOM:
I have no problem with you posting here. I like to go to lib sites and rile them also. It’s kinda fun.
Here’s the thing, though, just as it is wrong to kick you out of these forums, it is equally wrong to force institutions of faith to take action against their beliefs. See how I did that? I just demonstrated the flaw in your logic. You are either forced against your will or you are allowed to your beliefs. You cannot have it both ways.
Congrats on getting the knee-jerk impulsive types to foment. Really, though, that isn’t as impressive as making a logical argument.
Report Post »qzak491
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 1:24pmencinom
Report Post »ENCINOM
If you are an employee of the Catholic church and are one of these women that think they should have everything given them because they are a woman you will get no simpathy here. Just quit your job and join the OWS, you will fit right in and being a woman probably think you are good enough to run it. You sound like the Cain of the female set. Does that make you worse than Eve???
JesusH.Christ
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 1:53pm@ENCINOM
Whoever you are, would you please inform these Red State Retards that I AM NOT YOU masquerading as someone else? I am Jesus H. Christ and I am my own person (or at least I was,… now I’m more a of a myth or a legend,.. and not very well understood I might add). I have MY OWN thoughts on these and other matters concerning the beliefs and opinions of what appears to be a VERY DISGRUNTLED SEGMENT OF OUR SOCIETY.
So please,.. do me that favor would you? Btw, nice to meet you and I’m glad you are still active on this site. Surprised too. I’ve already received a number of veiled threats from some of the more “EXTREME” members of this web site.
Peace be with you, my child.
Report Post »love-JHC
Lord_Frostwind
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 2:20pmJHC, that you have enough stones to mock God is fairly amusing. You speak about the disgruntled sect of society, you speak of our violence. This is the result of dealing with this foolish “Greater Good” nonsense perpetrated by your kind. All you have accomplished is the creation of a generation of “Me Monsters” that can’t stand up to a real challenge. Just like those utterly debased women who decide to cheat the life out of the unborn because they can’t deal with their mistakes.
Report Post »JesusH.Christ
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 3:35pm@ LORD FROSTWIND
First of all, I don‘t feel that I’m mocking God. If anything, I’m sticking up for God. It‘s the Religious nutjobs that mock God and I’m sick to death of it. These are the very same people that in defense of the unborn, would gladly throw the switch on a condemned prisoner. And it is also they who would deny YOU the right to decide your own fate. If you were diagnosed with a terminal illness and all you had to look forward to was excruciating pain and suffering (not to mention the suffering of your loved ones) wouldn’t you want to be the one to decide how and when you will leave this earth? Earlier today someone wrote to me and said: “It is through morals that laws are written”. Well i have news for you, It was through (one person’s) morals that the laws that resulted in my being crucified were created. The level of hypocrisy is nothing short of astounding. It makes my want to vomit!
To hear these people speak of God the way they do would make a RATIONAL person think we were still living in the Dark Ages.
Look, I know things are tough down there right now but I have faith that you all will “eventually” find a way to work things out so that EVERYBODY is happy. Not just a few of you. If you can do that, then I can pretty much guarantee that judgement day will be a piece of cake and everyone will rejoice. That’s my promise. But until you all start showing each other assume compassion and understanding,… you’re screwed.
Sorry but that’s
Report Post »JesusH.Christ
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 3:41pmSorry but that’s just how it is. And I didn’t make up the rules. I’m just the messenger.
Peace be with you.
Report Post »JHC
rose-ellen
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 4:03pmI’m with Glenn Beck on this one.As a loyal catholic i have to be.Having said that there is a sense that the church brings this problem on herself. As correctly poimted out-if the church is hiring people then they are entitled to the same work policies as other work places. This is what happens when the church has instituions that hires non catholics.if all instituions were considered religious instituions[hospitals,schools etc] and all people employed were part of religious [protected] orders -this problem would not ariseWe can’t serve two masters as our Master said.Catholism itself is withering on the vine as non catholics are in catholic instituions .
Report Post »encinom
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 4:20pmsdarbro
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 12:43pm
ENCINOM:
I have no problem with you posting here. I like to go to lib sites and rile them also. It’s kinda fun.
Here’s the thing, though, just as it is wrong to kick you out of these forums, it is equally wrong to force institutions of faith to take action against their beliefs. See how I did that? I just demonstrated the flaw in your logic. You are either forced against your will or you are allowed to your beliefs. You cannot have it both ways.
Report Post »________________________________________
Here is the flaw in your logic, the Catholic Chruch is more than just a Church, it operates Univerisities and Hospitals, among other things. It has employees who are not of the Catholic Faith, in some areas it maybe the largest employer, college towns. It must treat all of its employees equally. The Chruch has always had a problem with the idea of women being able to control their own destinys.
Moozmom
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 10:22amNancy Pelosi was quite grey faced after visiting the Pope a few years ago. He must have indicated his displeasure with her ideology.
Report Post »tradexpertbuysell
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 11:46amAnd I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. Rev 17:6
Report Post »llotus
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 1:13pmencinom…..disagree? You denigrate everything that is good. Stuff it. Lotus.
Report Post »Kiba
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 5:00pmWow, I figured Jesus H. Christ could at least spell!.
Report Post »USPATRIOT101
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 10:22amThe Catholic church will comply when comrad barack mandates that muslims eat pork.
Report Post »C. Schwehr
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 10:53amVery true! The outmoded, superstitious concept of pork being an “unclean” food product is insane and we must force all islamists to include it in their diet IMMEDIATELY! There is no room in 21st century America for 7th century thinking!
Report Post »1proud_Texan
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 11:02amI like your way of thinking!
Report Post »JesusH.Christ
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 4:30pmGod does not hate. God does not punish the wicked. God does not choose one side over the other. That is purely the work of man.
Report Post »And as long as you mentioned the Bible, let me just say this,… there are many interpretations of the Bible and what it all means. And that’s because it has been misinterpreted and misrepresented and abused over and over by MAN.
No book is gonna be the last word on anything. Because If you truly believe in God, then you believe in love. And if you believe in love, then you are a true child of God. And THAT’s the last word.
JesusH.Christ
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 5:15pmHey Blaze,
Report Post »I know you guys aren’t perfect but can you at least post my responses in the right spot?
For cryin’ out loud!
hillbillyinny
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 10:22amSupport the Catholic Church on this! Stand for TRUTH and GOD-BASED MORALS. Doesn’t matter what religion you are, God is NOT a “religion”!
Report Post »db321
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 1:39pmPray this with me, Heavenly Father, I hear you message that was given on Sunday by the Cathilic Bishops, thank you for giving the Bishops the wisdom and courage to stand on the side of God the Father . Father we ask that you lift the Vail of Blindness off all those that cant see the thruth, so that they too will experience the Joy that comes from having God in their lives. Let them finally see with their own eyes the difference between good and evil!
Heavenly Father, you word says that when two or more come together in your name – there you will be in our presence. We ask that you send you Angels to encamp around and about the leadership and congregants of the Catholic Church. Give us the strength and the Courage to stand tall, to raise the Sword of Truth, protect our hearts with the Breast Plate of Righteousness, and give us all the Wisdom that is included in that glorious Helmet of Salvation. Father, we except and thank you for the Victory that you will soon give us and we will give all the glory and honor to you lord.
In Jesus Name we pray and ask it!
Report Post »Amen!
texrubarts
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 2:22pmto DB321 – Thank you so much for your beautiful prayer! It brought me to tears. I am a cradle catholic and while sometimes the church has disappointed me – I am PROUD that they are standing tall on this important issue. I too pray they find the courage to continue standing tall and not give in….
This is another reason to vote for NEWT – he is standing up for all our churches that are always under attack! No one else will stand and fight with us….
Report Post »JesusH.Christ
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 2:30pm@BD321
I’m telling you for the last time, STOP USING MY NAME in your blasphemous postings. I do not support idiotic ideologies that preach intolerance and insight bigotry and violence against those with a different point of view. Your words will have consequences, my son. DIRE CONSEQUENCES !!!
Stop using the name of God in your politically driven, dogmastic diatribe. God does not agree with you nor does God appreciate you associating yourself and your agenda with his good name. You are NOT sanctioned by God to be spreading lies and misrepresenting him. You will suffer the consequences for your actions if you do not cease this outrageous behavior AT ONCE!!!
Get me?
This is not a joke, buddy boy. You are playing with fire and you’re gonna get burned.
Now KNOCK IT OFF!!!
love,
Report Post »JHC
Joseph the Gray
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 2:47pmWell said.
Report Post »Joseph the Gray
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 3:36pmI posted the comment “Well said”. It was supposed to support Hillbillyinny’s statement that God is not a religion. Where it’s printed seems out of order. In fact, I would like to address the individual that uses the avatar Jesush.Christ. Are you a man or a woman? Why did you choose that stage name? Are you mentally stable? Do you realize there are people like me that owe everything including their lives to Christ Jesus and you are insulting us by using his name in vain? Do you know the penalty for this? Why do you want to cause innocent strangers harm? Are you mocking God? (on purpose) I understand religiosity is a symptom of schizophrenia and you certainly would not be held responsible if you were ill, but if you’re not ill I have to think you are ridiculing our God and our faith on purpose. Shame on you. While I am yaking, let me remind all the followers of the way: We have but one authority on earth and that is the bible. Speak where it speaks and be quiet where it is silent. None of us know anything more then what he has revealed to us in scripture. Don’t be a liar; God does not “talk” to any man anymore. Only through the bible.
Report Post »JesusH.Christ
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 4:23pm@JOSEPH THE GRAY
First of all, I’m no more out of my mind than you are. Unless of course you tell me that I am. Then you really are crazy. And completely lacking of humor. Why do you think I’m making fun of you? I’m not mocking you. I’m not mocking God either. In fact, I’m really happy for you that you have “JESUS” in your life. But your reaction to my presence and what I’m saying on this ridiculous web site only proves my point about how God (or me) is used as sort of exclusive benefit of membership to a right wing ideology. As though the “Other side” does not have God (or me ) in their lives.
One (shall remain nameless) subscriber wrote, “These people are Godless HEATHENS and should therefor be destroyed”.
And this is just one guy’s remarks. As I’m sure you are aware, this web site is chock full of hate and fear and racists attitudes that are so purulent as to make my skin crawl. All I‘m trying to do is remind people that we are all God’s children and that by claiming an exclusive to his love (because someone else has a different idea on how to live) you yourself are mocking God (and me) and it hurts. It hurts to see people suffer out of fear and ignorance. It hurts to see the way man treats his fellow man. Just spend a day reading the comments left on this web site and you will start to understand what I’m talking about and why I feel I must speak up.
I’m appalled by the lack of awareness by the masses as to what God truly is. God does
Report Post »JesusH.Christ
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 5:11pmGod does not hate. God does not punish the wicked. God does not choose one side over the other. That is purely the work of man.
Report Post »And as long as you mentioned the Bible, let me just say this,… there are many interpretations of the Bible and what it all means. And that’s because it has been misinterpreted and misrepresented and abused over and over by MAN.
No book is gonna be the last word on anything. Because If you truly believe in God, then you believe in love. And if you believe in love, then you are a true child of God. And THAT’s the last word.
Joseph the Gray
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 6:00pmTo the individual who blasphemes the most holy name of God. You are convicted. You have refused the gift of the holy spirit so be separate from God’s people. The truth shall not abide in you. You speak for your father the devil in your native tongue: lies. I am sorry for you.
Report Post »You do not know God. You do not know his people. You do not know his word or his will. Be quiet devil.
The truth is the inerrant word of God. All men are liars. God does not show favoritism it is true, but God most certainly takes sides. He loves all, but only those who obey the Gospel will be saved. The others he WILL send to hell! God is love, he is the Lamb of God, but he is also the Lion of Judah.
God most certainly hates! God hates sin. God hates divorce. God hates death and he hates a lying tongue.
Speaking from a human argument: Those who will risk ridicule for his name he sides with. Those that practice ungodly acts he opposes. Those who trust him and try to please he sides with. Those who deny him and promote humanist ideas he opposes.
When, When have you ever heard of an indignation raised by the “Religious Left”? There is no religious left. How can salt water and fresh water come from the same faucet? What does light have to do with darkness? You have been exposed Satan.
JesusH.Christ
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 9:38pm@Joseph The Gray
Oy Vey!
Report Post »mule creek ridge
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 10:20amI say YES!!!!!!!!!!! and HOORAH!!!!!!!!!! and HOORAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! to the Catholic Church!!!!!!! I encourage them to NOT BACK OFF a micro-inch from their stance!!!!!
Report Post »americansfightingforcommonsense
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 10:36amI agree that the Catholic Church has done the right thing by standing up to this assault on our religious rights, along with other rights as well. I as a Mormon, respect their decision and will stand with the Catholic church to fight against the erosion of our morals in society. This is why we CAN NOT allow Obama another term. DO NOT TREAD ON ME!!!
Report Post »db321
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 1:59pmDon’t just allow the Catholic Church to be the burden barer – They are mearly the messenger – IT IS TIME FOR GODS ARMY TO RISE UP AND STAND WITH THEM – Protestant, Baptist and Jewish. God is now in the fight and I smell a revival coming that will shake the very core of Satan’s existence. Glory Be to God!
Report Post »JesusH.Christ
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 4:27pmYou’re insane.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 10:20amInteresting situation; I can’t see Obama and Co. risking the ire of Catholics around the world by forcing this on them. Catholicism is by far the majority of Christians worldwide, and this has set the faith up in a confrontation. As Obama’s healthcare reform was supposed to provide coverage for MORE people, forcing Catholic workplaces to drop coverage in protest seems like it’ll kill his re-election prospects.
Hopefully the administration will see the error in their thinking. If not, everyone will lose out.
Report Post »TruthWFree
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 5:16pmObama has done significant damage in other areas like suing Arizona, the Black Panther voter intimidation non prosecution, executive orders end running Congress, the illegal Libyan intervention, the support of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and Libya, doing nothing in the Iranian people’s demonstrations for freedom, apologizing for America, etc., etc. . I do not trust the illegal WHO. I do not want the slightest chance that he will be re-elected. I want to see him prosecuted for fraud and treason on We The People. He is not a “natural born citizen”.
Report Post »13th Imam
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 10:18amA Large picture of an aborted baby should be in ALL churches that support murdering the innocent . Barry should be in another picture , holding a Partial Birth Aborted Child, in all churches that support PBA. His campaign to murder children should be plastered all around this country. Nancy Pelousy should be seen assisting Barry as Nurse Nancy, and the fact that they target black babies for the DEMOCRAT Murder spree, pointed out.
Report Post »DavidInStLouis
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 11:54amGraphic, but TRUE!! Absolutely true! >: /
And now we even have “bioethisists” saying that “killing someone with ‘no autonomy left’ is not morally wrong.” If your unborn, young, old, sick or ‘non-productive’ (disabled, out of work) then you better watch out – the secular Left is out to eliminate you. :’ (
Report Post »Kiba
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 5:03pmOh just shut-up will you Jesus? And if your jewish why do you have a Mexican name?
Report Post »dirtypolitics
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 10:18amMay God help us defeat evil.
Report Post »UBETHECHANGE
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 10:24amAmen.
Report Post »tradexpertbuysell
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 11:55amAmen
Report Post »Vickie Dhaene
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 11:59amAmen. I believe that Jesus Christ will return and take vengence against all advocates of EVIL.
Report Post »shughes1972
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 5:34pmThat’s your problem, you always want GOD to do everything for you. Forget the made up stuff and do things for yourself.
Report Post »mycomet123
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 10:16amINTERESTING??? This was NOT READ in the Catholic church I went to this last Sunday!! There in is the “problems” with the Catholic Church. There are many pastors who ignore the Pope & do what they want!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Report Post »13th Imam
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 10:21amAsk your priest next week about this, in front of his flock, and report back to us next week. Thanks
Report Post »hillbillyinny
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 10:27amIf your Bishop issued a letter it should have been read yesterday, 1/29/12. If he didn’t, or you pastor didn’t have it read in your church, CALL HIM (OR THEM) ON IT!
The Church is the people NOT the hierchary. If you believe what was written here, DEMAND your “leaders” support the cause that is very clear in today’s church and from the beginning.
Life is PRECIOUS to our God!
Report Post »UBETHECHANGE
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 10:30amHold your priest’s feet to the fire!
Report Post »encinom
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 10:40amThe Bishops and the Pope are out of touch with Catholics today. These old men in Rome hold tight to old supersitions that secures their power, nothing more. These are the same old men that covered up the abusive priests, they have zero moral authority to speak.
Report Post »lel2007
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 10:45amPerhaps you should find a different Catholic church, or better yet find consensus among parishioners and have him replaced by the Bishop..
Report Post »C. Schwehr
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 11:00amIndeed, the catholic church is infested with progressives. I witnessed such during the 1980s when the Council of Bishops attempted to remove anyone involved in the U.S. nuclear weapons programs from the church. Their “liberation theology” was rampant at the time, and I removed myself from the church PERMANENTLY since the separation of church and state works both ways…..the State doesn‘t meddle in church affairs and the Church doesn’t meddle in government politics. This is the result….
Report Post »jthelibertarian
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 11:01amI did not hear this letter read in my church either on Sunday but that is not to say it wasn’t because we got there a little late and it could have been read before mass. However, I have a strong suspicion that is wasn‘t read because normally such an important letter is included in the weekly bulletin or made available to the parishioners in the entrance to church which it wasn’t.
As for the Catholic Church as someone else said, they supported the ObamaCare atrocity and they have reaped what they have sewn. I am a Roman Catholic all of my 52 years but I have a lot of issues with the hierarchy of the Church, including our local bishop here in Albany, NY. As one commentator said on a the Tom Sullivan show on FOX Business Network Saturday, if you take federal money (and the Catholic Church does) you really don’t have an option not to follow this edict. There in lies the largest problem in this nation. Taking money from the government means you will some day have to live by its rules, even if they are contrary to your principles. AMERICA’S CHICKENS HAVE COME HOME TO ROOST!
Report Post »Sugabee
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 11:14amThis was not read in my parish, but my AWESOME pastor here in Houston CLOBBERED this administration using his own words! He called us to “not be wimpy Catholics, wimpy Christians, and wimpy Americans any longer”!! His sermon received applause and it was inspiring!
Report Post »mycomet123
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 11:24amActually, in further thinking about this–a letter from the archbishop was read 2 weeks ago before the Mass, about this occurance just happening–but no stand was made yet!!. My problem with this whole situation is that the Catholic Church will FINALLY make a stand but than turn around and tolerate politicians like Pelosi in the Church??????????????????????.
Report Post »sundaisy91
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 11:44amto Mycomet123, calm down. this letter did not come from the Pope, it came from a bishop in Michigan. Maybe he didn’t get it to your local bishop. It was not read at mass i attended either. And it wasn’t mandatory that it be read. You are reading it here, so now CALMLY take it to your parish priest and ask if he has seen it. If not, there is your answer as to why it wasn’t read in church. Don‘t assume that just because you didn’t hear it in church that your pastor is doing something wrong. We must fight this attack on our Catholic hospitals and other institutions, but you can’t get hysterical about it, because that will lead to irrational acts. Instead, talk to your pastor, pray, and write to your congressmen. this last part is so very important because they are the ones that can change it. Peace be with you.
Report Post »JustJ
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 1:37pmIf it was not read at your church, take the initiative and PRINT THIS LETTER and distribute it to the congregation yourself, as I plan to do at my Baptist church! This is not a Catholic issue alone… this is a Christian issue. Make them all aware as many are just not informed of this.
Report Post »barber2
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 10:15amYes, Dame Nancy, it is “ that conscience thing” which has so many people wondering how Democrats can tell Big Lies while posing as such Big humanitarians.
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 10:26amBut, but, but……. BARBER2, Nancy’s favorite word is “the word”. (sarcasm off)
That woman has sold her soul to the devil.
Report Post »bigspike
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 10:48ampoor Nancy, the only term she CAN use is ‘that conscience thing’; it’s a foreign concept to her
Report Post »Jenny Lind
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 10:15amThank God someone is standing up to Obama and “PlasticPelosi”, I am sure other faiths will be happy to go to court with them, in defense of religious liberty. I know I will stand with them, no problem. They cannot dictate to faiths what they “have” to do. It’s totaly unconstitutional, not that matters to this administration, but the Catholic church has the money to fight this, and whatever I can do, I will.
Report Post »BBReggie
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 10:15amThe Federal Government has absolutely no authority under the Constitution to dictate anything to the Church. In fact, they are specifically forbidden to establish any law restricting the free exercise of Religion. The Church should simply not comply and dare the President to send in troops.
Report Post »AmericanBumpkin
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 11:54amthe troops take an oath to put the people before the government, and the military doesnt like obama very much. so i doubt the troops will do anything.
Report Post »DavidInStLouis
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 12:10pmGood point, BBreggie! “Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 10:15amUnder Obama unless you tow the party line, there will be only two choices – conform or die.
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 10:29amNot conforming here, SNOW. I can‘t quite decide if I’ll be dying due to my unwillingness to conform to my own government or by Muslims because of my unwillingness to denounce my Christianity.
Report Post »angelcat
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 1:51pmit has occurred to me that persecution of Christians is not well under way. If we let it continue , we may well have to choose between complying and martyrdom. Four years ago I would have consdered that statement far-fetched and perhaps crazy. Now, I think it could be in the realm of possiblity down the road. I’m not saying it is likely – just possible.
Report Post »coot
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 10:14amAs a full-blown Roman Catholic, I can speak for many others when I say it’s about time the bishops grew a pair. :)
Report Post »Don’t shrink back now. Start putting pro-abortion “Catholic” politicians on notice of excommunication and you will have a HUGE ARMY of faithful behind you.
AxelPhantom
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 10:24amAmen!
Report Post »C. Schwehr
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 11:04amOr not. The only “catholic” politicians who were pro-abortion (to my memory) were the Kennedys. And Unca Teddy’s in hell right now….
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 11:43amUm, maybe you should check this list, C. S.
http://www.catholicadvocate.com/2010/03/how-did-catholic-members-of-congress-vote-on-health-care/
Report Post »angelcat
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 11:51amI was appalled that so many Catholics voted for Obama. I hope that they now can see just how wrong they were and what they helped to unleash on this country. And I had better not hear liberals screaming that the statement means the Church can’t be tax exempt because it is being political. No mention is made of Obama or the Democrat party – only that Catholics are being asked to go against their consciences. This is FAR less political than what we have heard coming from the pulpits of many black churches, and liberals don’t seem to mind that at all.
Report Post »sundaisy91
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 11:54amNancy Pelosi, John Kerry, both call themselves Catholic, and yet both support pro-choice legislation, which goes directly against the Catholic church’s pro-life teachings. they should be excommunicated
Report Post »AxelPhantom
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 12:27pmMy Sister-in-law was a “Catholic” (she hasn’t ever been active in the Church) who voted for Obama. But it wasn’t just Catholics who put him in office, it was Christians in general. My Uncle, an Episcopalian also voted for him as did his sister an Episcopalian Bishop.
Christians of all denominations must choose NOW between their faith and their politics. Voting for someone who openly professes the desire to take an innocent life whether they justify it using the Constitution, State’s Rights or denying it is “life” (the same people scream bloody murder when an amoeba is threatened) is the same as taking the life yourself.
The Catholic church has many faults; Guided by God, but organized by man, it has stood silently by far too long in fear of disenfranchising many of its members who use artificial forms of birth control. I am glad to see that it is finally starting to take a stand.
Report Post »JediKnight
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 1:53pmAgreed. Nancy Pelosi and any Catholic politician that is pro-Choice should be refused communion (if she even receives it) and excommunicated until she changes position.
Let her claim she’s a Catholic. The Pope can just release a statement saying she’s been excommunicated.
Report Post »auntbea
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 10:14am“Our parents and grandparents did not come to these shores to help build America’s cities and towns, its infrastructure and institutions, its enterprise and culture, only to have their posterity stripped of their God given rights.”
Amen.
Report Post »Arc
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 10:11amFinall the Catholic church calls out the Administration as all Christians should support the church.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 10:11amYou must Stand with those who support the Correct & Right!
Report Post »SamIamTwo
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 10:10amAh comments are now open…
This is a good thing that the Catholic Church is doing…Churches should stand up together on like minded issues like this…it is within the pale of orthodox teachings.
Report Post »let us prey
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 10:09amThis is about population control, ask obumbler or eGore. Agenda 21 and the UN will see to it? Let’s not forget John P. Holdren, Barack Obama’s top science advisor, co-authored a textbook entitled “Ecoscience” back in 1977 in which he actually advocated mass sterilization, compulsory abortion, a one world government and a global police force to enforce population control.
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 10:21amSpot on!!! Was discussing just last night the birth declines of Americans of the last four generations. Population control is also the reason progressives will continue to advance mercy killings of the disabled and elderly. We are losing all regard for human life as they continue to press America to a God-less society. Eugenics…..here we come.
Report Post »RagingJudge
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 1:10pmYou know, someone should create a compilation of detailed information on all the shady folks in and around the Obumblebee administration, and save it for release once the GOP primaries have produced a single result (so as to prevent the compilation from getting shuffled aside and forgotten).
This, of course, is assuming somebody didn’t already beat me to the idea :P
Report Post »ConservativeBurgher
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 10:09amLet us in Pittsburgh, Catholic, Protestant and Jew alike, applaud Bishop Zubick for his stance and communtication to the Whitehouse. It takes courage to stand up against this adminsitration and the tyranny they espouse. Praise you and the Lord.
Report Post »TowerOfBabble
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 12:17pmThere is a “separation between church and state”, for a reason. I don’t need the government in my church, and I don’t want the church dictating my politics. Politians made that perfectly clear when they removed prayer from schools. The only solution is to drop all government sponsored health coverage and have the Vatican open up their pocketbooks and cover all Christians health bills. The government already does this with welfare.
Report Post »Disgusted Catholic Pittsburgher
jvlag3
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 1:11pm@TowerOfBabble…WOW another person that hasn’t got a clue to what the Constitution actually says. Why do you think we are in such a mess, our morals went out the window once we started pushing God out of our lives and thinking that we are more important. This country was formed on religious principles no matter what you think.
Report Post »Hmschoolnmama
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 10:43pmI was surprised to hear the letter read at Mass. Is is about time our shepherds lead. I am so grateful they have spoken out and will continue to pray they have courage and conviction.
Report Post »UBETHECHANGE
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 10:07amTake a stand and unite against evil and tyranny America! I am not Catholic, but I stand with them 110% on this!
Report Post »drobarts
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 1:37pmThis is just another power play by government(barack obama) to make people dependent on the federal governmentl(tax payers dime) for government healthcare. Catholics and all others of like mind and morals will have to go SOMEWHERE for healthcare. I say, the church should thumb their noses until it all gets repealed. And if it still don’t get repealed, continue to thumb your noses. Make the courts and democrats pay at the ballets and in the streets if necessary.
Report Post »Arc
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 10:07amFinally, the Catholic Church calls the Obama Admin…..as all Christians should.
Report Post »Bro. Chuck
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 5:43pmBrothers & Sisters in YahShua…..
perhaps now the excommunications will begin.
Sebelius is Catholic,
so is Pelosi….
When in the course of events, the Elites trod upon the masses in their hypocrisy,
it then becomes time to call out the evil for what it is….
besides,
if the “conscience thing” is a problem, then I’m sure that sisters Nancy & Kathleen, and all the others who “boast” in their own “righteousness”……
would be thankful to relieve them of the inner conflict.
and you know, they will certainly find blame with all of us who can discern the light…
for dragging the cloud over their own heads….
May God have mercy on them all…..
watch this expand, folks….
watch and see how this battle against the believers will unfold…..
be Bless’d,
Bro. Chuck
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