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‘Wealthy’ Congressman Explains Why ‘Class Warfare Has Never Created a Job’

Wealthy Congressman Explains Why Class Warfare Has Never Created a JobBusiness owner and Republican congressman John Fleming appeared on MSNBC Monday to explain why raising his own personal income tax — a measure encouraged by President Obama — would prove detrimental to his businesses and prevent him from continuing to create jobs.

Fleming, who warned his MSNBC host that “class warfare has never created a job,” clarified that while he might be better off financially than most, only a small fraction of his $6.3 million in earnings is left over after covering expenses and reinvesting in his businesses.
Fleming, who owns several Subway and UPS franchises, stated that additional taxes on net earnings would amount to “money taken out of capital for reinvestment for creating more jobs. … So the more you tap that down, the less jobs that are gonna be created.”

“I would say that since my net income … the amount that I have to reinvest to my business and feed my family is more like $600,000 of that $6.3 million. And, so by the time I feed my family I have, you know, maybe $400,000 left over to invest in new locations, upgrade my locations, buy new equipment, all of that,” Fleming stated.

Meanwhile, MSNBC’s Chris Jansing seemed less than understanding, and pressed that average Americans would not be sympathetic to Fleming’s position.

Watch the congressman explain why being successful in business is a virtue, not a vice:

Comments (159)

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  • wisehiney
    Posted on September 19, 2011 at 11:00pm

    Hey moonbat and the rest of you deadbeats……Off your arse, and on your feet! Out of the shade and into the heat! You will soon have to pay your own way. Or probably shrivel up and disappear.

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    • TEXASGRANNY73
      Posted on September 19, 2011 at 11:58pm

      Wisehiney You are too funny.

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    • Exrepublisheep
      Posted on September 20, 2011 at 12:12am

      John Fleming. Another repub liar. $200,000 a year to feed his family? Quickly repubs! To the batmobile! Another job creator needs protecting!

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    • darkrage000
      Posted on September 20, 2011 at 1:27am

      200k?
      yup
      House, food, insurance(s), car payments, medical expenses, taxes on properties, etc etc
      same bills as the rest of us, just more costly.
      if you are living on 1000 a month, and i give you 10k a month, you WILL find a way to turn that all into bills.

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    • Sheepdog911
      Posted on September 20, 2011 at 5:21am

      You are a bunch of morons. This is the type of person that gives you your job, unless you are a government worker. The more he has left, after the government penalizes him for being successful, the more he has to invest in making jobs for other ungrateful POS’s like you.

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    • loriann12
      Posted on September 20, 2011 at 7:31am

      $200,000 does seem like a lot when you first look at it, but think of it this way. He owns several franchises of Subway and UPS stores. He has worked hard to get to where he is, and he deserves a higher standard of living. If you’re jealous, get off your A$$ and work hard like he did. He has to worry about the price of sugar, think about how the books balance, hire attorneys, accountants, etc., worry about farmer’s strikes and where his vegetables come from for the sandwiches, etc. It’s not an easy job. He didn’t start out having $200,000 for his family. Trust me, if you make it where people can work hard, own several franchises and then feed their family on $50,000, do you really think anyone will do it?

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    • The Meem
      Posted on September 20, 2011 at 8:24am

      The saddest part of this is people thinking others are not paying “enough”, and that the rich are greedy, uncaring, and certainly not paying “their fair share” as Obama keeps spewing. Are there some bad actors, of course. But most people who start a business, become successful, have found their passion, their talents and forged them into a product or service that others want or need. And for that we all should be grateful. These people have worked years and more hours in any given day then those of us who don’t have the same ambitions.
      So when those on the left complain about the rich, their fancy houses, etc.they are actually revealing something rotten in their own souls, envy and greed, yes Greed. And what really amazes me is these same people who demonize the job produces in this country hang on every word of some rich Hollywood type who share their own hate America ideology.
      So tomorrow when you get up, and go to your 9-5 job, that is if you bother to have one, get into some gratitude. You could be living in a mud hut like Obummer’s 1/2 brother.

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    • Jim in Houston
      Posted on September 20, 2011 at 10:17am

      Exrepublisheep: I wondered how soon one of you libaturds would jump on that. You don’t know how large his family is and what other kind of expenses he has coming out of that money like college tuition of $50K to >$100K per year per student. Maybe if you got off your lazy butt and went to work you could have that kind of money instead of whining because someone else does.

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    • beekeeper
      Posted on September 20, 2011 at 12:19pm

      @Exrepublisheep – $200K to keep his family and put money away for retirement – that is called his earnings… You know this as a “salary” – if his annual famly expenses consume $200K/year, and Obama decides to take another, say, 10% of his company’s earnings ($60K off of $600K, in his example), will his family suddenly learn to live on $140K/year OR will he now have $340K to invest in his business? He will have less to invest, and that rarely leads to creating more jobs.

      Let’s not forget, this man also has to keep a residence in not only his home state, but also in D.C. for his Rep. position in Congress. Every other Senator and Congressman earns about $170K/year and DON’T provide hundreds of jobs in the private sector – why is his $200K/year lifestyle so offensive to you?

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    • FedupwithDems
      Posted on September 20, 2011 at 1:18pm

      The ones on this thread that are complaining about a sucessful businessman keeping his own money, investing a good portion of that money in enlarging his business allowing even more people to be hired are nothing but leftwing liberal looneies that think they are somehow entitled to someone elses hard earned cash simply by being alive. You libs are all nothing but sycophantic morons. If you harbor such a hatred of Capitalism and Success then get the hell out of my country.

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    • Dismayed Veteran
      Posted on September 20, 2011 at 3:09pm

      Have the libs never noticed that the folks who talk about the “poor” middle class are millionaires: Obama, Clinton, Kerry, Pelosi, Kennedy (late great), and the raft of entertainers. I have not met a liberal yet who would turn down the $20 million Powerball lottery.

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    • riverdog1
      Posted on September 20, 2011 at 5:30pm

      this guy seems like a good guy. i would like to take him on the 6 million that he reinvests and then the $400,000 that he says he reinvests as well. doesn’t add up. plus with obamas tax proposal looks like he won’t pay anymore taxes. whats the complaint?

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    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on September 20, 2011 at 7:08pm

      Riverdog1, that’s b/c you don’t know anything about running a business.

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  • Git-R-Done
    Posted on September 19, 2011 at 10:58pm

    The left acts like being wealthy is a crime and that you should be punished for it rather than get to keep what you earned. And they wonder why they’re called Marxists.

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    • survivorseed
      Posted on September 20, 2011 at 1:35am

      How come when the poor and middle class have to pay more, its called shared sacrafice but when the rich have to pay more, its called class warfare? I’m starting to think Glenn Beck, his pundit mates at Fox and Rush Limpballs earn a lot more than your average American.
      Poor man only has 200 grand to spend on food for his family, I’m heartbroken

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    • SavingtheRepublic.com
      Posted on September 20, 2011 at 1:55am

      ~^~v~~^~~v~^~
      Anyone who makes money, is successful that isnt within the socialist party is bad. They could come up with the cure for cancer but would be demonized. They could donate millions to a good cause and be attacked with claims of ulterior motives. Now the left on the other hand they do nothing but hoard their money ya know guys like Rangel, Geithner, Obama, Michael Moore and the countless drones within the socialist party. Its the peoples fault they are allowed this double standard! Too much of turning the other cheek with the “wont stoop to their level mentality” I got news for ya folks they are way ahead and winning b/c no one will call them on the garbage they do.

      Gotta applaud the congressman for spelling out how business works. Majority of socialists dont really know they only know how to use people and manipulate situations to make money. Or they write books and do speeches. They dont know what its like to have a staff, have deadlines to meet etc or what it takes to develop a product and put it on the market. No, no but they know how to attack a company that does that and find a way to profit off of it… Al Gore has gotten filthy rich doing it!!! The left hates the truth and that why the PMSNBC host didnt want to hear any of it, he is clueless and thinks all the money goes in a business owners pocket while he nickels and dimes his business and employees! http://SavingtheRepublic.com

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    • survivorseed
      Posted on September 20, 2011 at 2:12am

      But Savingtherepublic, I’m a business owner who has staff and deadlines and would definately be classed as liberal by the people here. I can honestly say that whenever I have hired a new employee, my rate of tax has never ever been a factor in making that decision. The only reason I have ever needed more staff is when I have more work than the amount of employees I currently have can handle. The notion that cutting or raising a businesses tax rate directly affects their ability to hire or fire staff is not accurate.
      If your experience in business is contrary to this then I would love to hear your story.

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    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on September 20, 2011 at 2:29am

      Survivorseed, you‘re a liar when you claim that you’re a business owner.

      Business owners are affected by tax rates and anybody who claims that they‘re in business but don’t mind paying higher tax rates is not a good business owner.

      47% of Americans don’t pay federal income taxes, so it’s about time that those people start chipping in some more.

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    • Jim in Houston
      Posted on September 20, 2011 at 10:23am

      I call them parasites. They do nothing constructive, live off the efforts of others and whine about how unfair it is that someone else has more than them. Here is a link that libaturds must love. It glorifies welfare cards. I must warn you the language is graphic and you will probably throw-up on your keyboard.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o64Fz-KW1Dk

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  • Erabin
    Posted on September 19, 2011 at 10:47pm

    “Fleming, who owns several Subway and UPS franchises, stated that additional taxes on net earnings would amount to “money taken out of capital for reinvestment for creating more jobs. … So the more you tap that down, the less jobs that are gonna be created.”

    Hahaha, what a bold faced liar. And you people are eating it right up.

    Companies only pay taxes on the money they do not reinvest. Reinvestments like new jobs.

    Read that again: Companies do not pay taxes on their gross revenue. Imagine you getting your wages without taxes being deducted from them, then paying for food, rent, car insurance, health insurance and everything else, and only paying taxes on the rest. Sounds good? Hell yes it does. And that’s how companies pay taxes.

    So don‘t believe the bold lies this piece of crap is spewing and don’t get the wool pulled over your eyes just this once, okay?

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    • wisehiney
      Posted on September 19, 2011 at 10:56pm

      Wow! You must be some kind of tax expert? Are you?

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    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on September 19, 2011 at 10:59pm

      Money doesn’t just lie there, idiot. Or else you’re not going to have as much power if you just sit on your money.

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    • amaboitna
      Posted on September 19, 2011 at 11:12pm

      You make it sound like he won’t pay more in taxes if his tax rate is increased. Somewhere along the line he is left with less money..

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    • j-a-c-k
      Posted on September 19, 2011 at 11:19pm

      @ERABIN
      Guess you went to public school? If ever you decide to get a job you should apply to be a tax consultant for Timmy Geithner, he has trouble with his TurboTax and could use someone with your depth on tax law.

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    • nannyatnannydotgov
      Posted on September 19, 2011 at 11:23pm

      Tax expert? That’s a laugh!!!!! This guy spends more time spreading lies than Carter used to have pills. As with Carter, this guy will be out of businees too, when the bennies dry up. ROTFL

      Even morons know that, unless you are incorporated, company profits are taxed as the owner(s) personal income. It is also considered the owner’s personal income if the company is a limited liabilty corporation (LLC). Unless this “less than mo*ron” can deliver proof that Fleming’s businesses are incorporated, then he’s talking out his a**, and only using one cheek.

      Cudos to Fleming. He started with nothing and WORKED his way up.

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    • fedupwiththebs
      Posted on September 19, 2011 at 11:39pm

      You are a moron… To simplify, companies pay taxes on their profits (reveneue less cash costs less depreciation). Where do you think the money comes from to reinvest in their business? Profits LESS taxes paid. Higher taxes, less money to reinvest in their business. Go back and read your copy of the Communist Manifesto…

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    • jedidiah
      Posted on September 19, 2011 at 11:53pm

      Let me explain this to you in simple terms that even a Progressive should be able to understand.

      I assume you can grasp the fact that if you increase the tax liability on the Congressman’s taxable income, then he will take home less money everything else being the same. Simple so far, right? But let‘s assume he doesn’t want to take home less money and pay for your sister‘s AFDC rather than his own family’s needs; imagine that. So what does he do? Perhaps he offsets the reduced net income by taking more money out of the business, that is — gives himself a raise, which would “amount to money taken out of capital for reinvestment,” like keeping your brother on the payroll. This is starting to hit your family pretty hard isn’t it Progressive?

      You mean he can do that? Yeah, he can do that and probably will. And your brother and sister can thank you and Barry — Thanks brother Progressive.

      That darn personal responsibility thing is tough for some folks, but if you pull your head back into the daylight, this could be the start of a great big wonderful world of opportunity for you.

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    • R and K
      Posted on September 19, 2011 at 11:56pm

      Your comparison doesn’t work. Businesses incur expenses producing products. It’s called Cost of goods sold. Profit is what is left after you pay for materials, and profit is all that can be taxed, and rightly so.

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    • factsRstubbornthings
      Posted on September 20, 2011 at 12:03am

      To “Erabin”: I personally know this man who you refer to as a “piece of crap”. He is a great man, a self made man, a caring, successful general care family doctor from a small town who proved to be a wise steward of the resources he was blessed with, by investing in communities and creating jobs in the process. So if you have any intellectual honesty in you at all you should evaluate yourself against this standard and ask yourself just how far below “piece of crap” you would place yourself.

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    • el thinko
      Posted on September 20, 2011 at 12:05am

      troll droppings

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    • Exrepublisheep
      Posted on September 20, 2011 at 12:15am

      @erabin. See how these people operate? No defense to what you say, just insults.

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    • bassboat
      Posted on September 20, 2011 at 12:19am

      You need to go back to accounting 101.

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    • Drives Like Jehu
      Posted on September 20, 2011 at 1:30am

      Businesses EXPAND by reinvesting in themselves from PROFITS; therefore, less profits (due to implementing comrade nero-bama’s confiscatory taxation schemes) means less expansion, period.

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    • survivorseed
      Posted on September 20, 2011 at 1:36am

      too late. the sheep are already bleating it from the rooftops

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    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on September 20, 2011 at 2:31am

      Sounds like you and the rest of you crazy lefties have never taken an accounting class in your whole lives.

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    • riverdog1
      Posted on September 20, 2011 at 1:54pm

      so git r done you want to raise taxes on lower income huh. i thought you guys dont like raising taxes. oh, thats right the poor can afford it the rich cant.

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    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on September 20, 2011 at 7:02pm

      Riverdog1, this country wasn’t founded upon “from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.”

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  • jmgair
    Posted on September 19, 2011 at 10:39pm

    Liberals like this woman have no understanding of the difference between Gross sales and Net sales obviously. But hey, between her and Obama they have created ZERO jobs so it stands to reason they remain clueless.

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  • Restoreamericanow
    Posted on September 19, 2011 at 10:26pm

    Anyone who has never run a business does not understand!! I run a small business. My income tax return shows I make over six figures….BUT, that’s because all business finances are shown on my tax return ( a “C” corporation). By the time I reinvest in my company, pay off loans, etc. My actual income is more like $45K take home. I understand. Most just see a bottom line. So if you’ve never run a business…..you have NO idea.

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    • wisehiney
      Posted on September 19, 2011 at 11:12pm

      TEXGRAN73. No skippin on Monday night.

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    • el thinko
      Posted on September 20, 2011 at 12:13am

      “Business is the best art.”
      Andy Warhol

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    • loriann12
      Posted on September 20, 2011 at 7:48am

      I know one thing. My husband works for a small business owner. I know that his boss has dipped into his grandkids college funds to keep employees working. He even gives makework jobs for welders, painting stuff that hasn’t been painted for a while, etc to keep them in work. And has not taken a salary in something like 2 years.

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    • riverdog1
      Posted on September 20, 2011 at 1:56pm

      if you r income is 45K you wont pay anymore taxes. none

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  • wisehiney
    Posted on September 19, 2011 at 10:25pm

    Post office needs billions, FEMA needs billions, FDIC needs billions, SS and medicare need trillions, Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp needs billions, many states need multiple billions, cities and counties need billions, and on and on. TODAY! Europe needs trilliions, TODAY. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA. I need a drink.

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    • TEXASGRANNY73
      Posted on September 19, 2011 at 11:02pm

      Wisehiney You forgot 50 billion State Dept. for anyone they want to give it to and today
      threatened Palestine they couldn’t have their share probably cause Hillary wants a two state
      Israel. I don‘t drink but here’s to you or maybe if you just SCREAM it might eliminate
      the pressure or just skip the drink go straight for uh strike that it’s illegal.

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  • heyjim55
    Posted on September 19, 2011 at 10:21pm

    When you hear the words class war there is always a communist behind it, only a communist would suggest class war. I have read a great deal about Communism and I am also married to Russian immigrant who grew up under Communism with her mother growing up under Stalin. So I am well aquainted with the subject , when my wife hears Obama’s speeches she always says he talks like a Communist I think he is a Communist. People from the former Soviet Union and Eastern Bloc countries can sniff a Communist out in seconds , and often laugh at us when we don’t see it. Class warfare is used to excite the base of those who believe in it or see it as a useful tool. I think my wife is 100% correct Obama is a Communist and when the election draws near we will see him remove any doubt anyone has about him being one or not.

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    • riverdog1
      Posted on September 20, 2011 at 2:01pm

      your wife is 100% wrong. obama is not a communist, not even a socialist. sorry dude.

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    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on September 20, 2011 at 7:04pm

      Riverdog1, you‘re the one who’s the moron on here. Heyjim55 is right.

      You’re also the ones who are waging class warfare and hate the rich and want to steal from them and have them make the same amount of money as everyone else.

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  • ares338
    Posted on September 19, 2011 at 10:20pm

    This guy makes a lot of sense. Why do people have a problem with someone being successful?

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    • meamerican
      Posted on September 19, 2011 at 10:39pm

      I thought it was kinda funny how she was smirking like he has done something wrong for being successful. The Communist and Chief has been really pushing this class warefare thing and his media clowns are doing their best to push it along.

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    • Petieshell
      Posted on September 19, 2011 at 10:52pm

      Anger at their lot in life and jealously toward those who have made better choices. I am not indicating everyone is aware at the time that their choices were not the best. Indoctrinated minds v.s. educated minds and connections are the difference. Many however, won’t pay the price for delayed gratification so they can create wealth and work intelligently to bring increase to the initial investment. It is the entitlement mentality at its worst. Except for the “elitist ruling class” who see themselves as just that. Arrogance, just sheer arrogance for those who think they are entitled and those who want to rule.

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    • Salamander
      Posted on September 19, 2011 at 10:55pm

      I agree! I don’t understand why “the public” seems hell-bent on electing losers, progressive give-away artists and such! Don’t they realize the money being thrown their way for votes comes out of their very own pockets? And, if not, from somebody else’s pocket, all hard-earned cash that has been taxed to nubbins! The ONLY check IRS should EVER write should be a refund for overpayment of taxes (that is, taxes PAID, not tax credits earned in excess of taxes due)! Our government has broken one of the most basic rules of accounting and good business in tasking IRS to make disbursements that are essentially welfare payments! What an abuse of power and what a waste of resources!

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    • FedupwithDems
      Posted on September 20, 2011 at 4:45pm

      You have to ask why? Because the ones that want to take are NOT sucessful and will never be sucessful for they lack the ambition and drive to better themselves. They are the entitlement generation and want to bring everyone down to thier lacklustre, lazy “gimme” level. They aren’t fit to clean under my fingernails after a hard days work.

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  • ap_news_guy
    Posted on September 19, 2011 at 10:19pm

    Please join me in inviting others to come from Yahoo and join us here at the Blaze.

    Whenever I find an article that doesn’t have a message box, I remind Yahoo readers that the most important part of any news story in today’s social media is what you, the reader, thinks. Without the voice of the people attached to the news articles of the day, there is no free press.

    Yahoo selectively chooses which articles their readers will be able to comment on. Take for instance today’s interview with Mr. Clinton entitled “Straight Talk with Mr. Clinton on the Economy.” Well anyone who knows Mr. Clinton certainly knows “straight talk” is not Slick Willy’s claim to fame. Yet no message box was provided for that article so that his opinions couldn’t be challenged. That’s why I encourage them to come to the Blaze. I don’t put the .com extension on it because that is against Yahoo policy. I just say the Blaze.

    The more we get here, the more we can have a reasonable discussion of the topics that face us and the more outreach we can achieve to effect national change.

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  • analog823
    Posted on September 19, 2011 at 10:06pm

    this guy could be the poster child for the dems! i live on a little more then $21600 a year. this guy makes $6.3 million a year and is crying he hasn’t enough. he spends $200000 a year to feed his family!!!! where do they eat?? not a lot of domino‘s i’d bet. this guy is too much. and just how in touch with the people of his distrct can he be??? this is a game to him just like it’s a game to buffet soros and all the other wealth. and the way you win is to keep as much money as you can. and guess whar he’s winning and the resy of us a losing. i wish i had a quarter of what he spends to feed his family. i hate to say this because i don‘t believe it is the right thing to do but if they won’t give it up to help the poor i mean really give it up take it from them

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    • angelcat
      Posted on September 19, 2011 at 10:11pm

      By “feed his family” he is referring to housing, education, utilities, etc., I assume. Remember, the more he has left to grow his business, the more jobs he creates, so I WANT him to have more left over so that my friends, family, and others have jobs.

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    • HappyStretchedThin
      Posted on September 19, 2011 at 10:17pm

      This is America, man! Get off your duff, and stop WISHING you had 1/4th of his money. Use your brain and talents and go out and do something valuable to others. There’s nothing but yourself stopping you from *EARNING* the kind of cash he earns.

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    • wisehiney
      Posted on September 19, 2011 at 10:17pm

      So you are thinking that some sorry, sleazy, evil bureaucrat is gonna take better care of the poor than this honest, god fearing, hard working, patriotic, decent, earnest job creator?

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    • ap_news_guy
      Posted on September 19, 2011 at 10:21pm

      Oh, because your a slacker and don’t create any jobs we should listen to you. Get a grip.

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    • bagpipes4funerals
      Posted on September 19, 2011 at 10:30pm

      Okay, so let me ask you, how many jobs does a guy who makes $21,600 make for other people? How much money would you have to make to make a job for someone else?

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    • RIGEL_ORION
      Posted on September 19, 2011 at 10:33pm

      There’s a reason why Thou Shalt Not Covet is in the Ten Commandments. Do you honestly think that simply taking from one person and giving to another is going to improve anything?

      The poor will simply remain poor because they received financial gain without any knowledge of how to repeat it on their own. The formerly rich will become poor as well because their incentive to work 80 hour weeks will be effectively destroyed by the redistributive government.

      A better idea might be to celebrate and encourage a free market system that allows everyone the opportunity to build their own wealth through hard work or a great idea.

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    • smokeysmoke
      Posted on September 19, 2011 at 10:35pm

      your totally missing this…. he makes 6 MILLION DOLLARS…. and out of that 5.6 of it goes directly back into BUISNESSES…. out of the other 400000, HE SAYS HE EITHER SPENDS OR INVESTS NEAR ALL…. tell me how somebody spending their money or investing it in a good buisness (where the investor has the risk of their money) OR BUYING NEW HARDWARE OR EMPOYEES FOR A BUISNESS, DOES NOT CREATE JOBS…. your saying that this man having this much money does not create jobs… but hes spending ALL OF IT… JUST BECAUSE HE DOSENT WANT THE GOVERNMENT TO TAKE IT AND GIVE IT TO SOME ONE LIKE YOU FOR DOING NOTHING… i want this man to have more money… be more successful… so that he can invest more money back into the economy…. you seem to see otherwise

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    • ThorLoser
      Posted on September 19, 2011 at 10:41pm

      And if he made less money, how, exactly, would you earn more? How would *anyone* earn more in any sustainable way? Government could take his earnings to employ a small number of people for a couple of years, but that would force his businesses to go without reinvestment. Without reinvestment, he can’t keep up with regulated changes, equipment upgrades, rising energy costs, wage increases, safety investments, training personel, innovation, employee bonus programs, etc… His business goes from growth cycles to death cycles, resulting in less for the government to take, so the jobs created by the government go unfunded. Eventually, when he has to close up shop, all of his employees are out of work along with the government employees he financed. This isn’t even considering the other consequences. With his shops closed, those who provide support to his business now have fewer resources (shipping, transportation, fuel, coffee shops, lunch counters, commercial real estate owners, print shops, office supplies and on and on) Therefore those businesses have lower revenue and it snowballs over and over again in a vicious cycle.

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    • Salamander
      Posted on September 19, 2011 at 11:02pm

      There is a HUGE difference between being poor and being helpless! While there migh be some argument for government’s assistance to the helpless, there is NO BASIS whatsoever for government’s intervention with the poor! The way out of poordom is (1) one or more jobs–whatever it takes, (2) spending discipline–spend less than you make, (3) saving and investment–set aside with every paycheck for a rainy day, layoff or unforseen problems and invest in your economy–buy Coca Cola and McDonald’s for starters, then move on to Boeing, Merck, Procter & Gamble, etc–all the companies you patronize with each purchase, trip, medication or personal care product. Then, you gotta wait! Like planting a garden, it takes time, BUT EVERYONE in this country has an equal opportunity to participate! Frankly, the road to wealth is through investment (use the sweat off other’s backs), but you have to take care of your basic needs and essentials first! However, no investment, no reward!

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    • Sean66
      Posted on September 19, 2011 at 11:11pm

      You live on $21000 a year?? Who’s fault is that?? I have an idea why don’t you risk everything you own and start your own company. Work seven days a week to make your company successful. People like you always make me laugh. You wine because you only make $21000 a year and have no idea how much work and dedication, it takes to be successful. Conservatives give more to the poor then libs do and that is a fact. My advice to you is if you are not happy with how much money you earn get off your butt and do something about.

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    • My Two Cents
      Posted on September 19, 2011 at 11:42pm

      There is so much class envy in your post my screen turned green.

      If you think raising taxes on small business owners will raise your station in life your are in for a major disappointment.

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    • el thinko
      Posted on September 20, 2011 at 12:19am

      another troll defecates in his pants. hope he feels better.

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    • analog823
      Posted on September 20, 2011 at 12:45am

      i know this guy. he’s like all the other businessman in the U.S.. he donates the max to get a tax break no more no less. he pay minimun wage and hires only part time so he doesn’t have to pay for benefits. and i‘m sure if he wasn’t in the service business he’d move his company overseas as well. i am sick and tired of these poor rich people that just want to do what’s right if the goverment would only let them keep more of their money. well i’ve been waiting since i was 17 for american business make jobs to pay the workers what they are worth. i worked for a company that paid the CEO a $2 million bonse for cutting costs. he’d laid off 1500 workers, saved a lot of money help a lot of people.

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    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on September 20, 2011 at 2:35am

      What right do you have to tell him how much money he should keep and how he should spend it?

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  • dawg22
    Posted on September 19, 2011 at 10:00pm

    So @MOONBAT (appropriately named) how much of his money do you want to TAKE from him? He ran a business and earned that money. What are YOU doing to deserve to TAKE his money? How much is enough? Dipstick libs need to move to Greece.

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    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on September 19, 2011 at 10:06pm

      And the left wonders why they’re considered to be Marxists. What right do they have to tell somebody how much money they can earn?

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    • lacabeza
      Posted on September 19, 2011 at 10:43pm

      DAWG22
      My sediments exactly.
      I am thankful for the wealthy that have provided just about everything outside my house. If it weren‘t for them we probably wouldn’t be driving on paved roads, have sewage, running water, electricity, all other infrastructure, government buildings, government jobs, and private jobs.

      Its hilarious that the youth are protesting when they are TAKERS from the system. They think a public education is FREE. k-12 education on average is probably around $100k in tax payer money. F’n unions!
      Its crazy how the wealthy have to pay for the government jobs which the job holder will vote against them.

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    • Moonbat
      Posted on September 19, 2011 at 10:52pm

      Advocating progressive taxation doesn’t make somebody a Marxist. Every government in history has collected taxes, and there are lots of moral and economic arguments to tax progressively. Rep. Fleming’s Subways ship ingredients and supplies over federally constructed interstate highways. He relies on a literate workforce with basic math skills — most of them educated, no doubt, at the public expense. If his restaurant gets robbed, he calls the police. If it catches fire, he calls the fire department. His business relies on the government more than I do.

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    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on September 20, 2011 at 7:06pm

      Moonbat, the idea behind progressive income taxes is to make sure that everybody has the same amount of money, which is Marxism.

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    • Moonbat
      Posted on September 20, 2011 at 7:21pm

      @ Git-r-done

      No it isn’t. It’s to help make sure that, as Abigail Adams said, “the big fish don’t gobble up the small fish.” Abraham Lincoln instituted a progressive income tax. Was he a Marxist?

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  • Fireman36c
    Posted on September 19, 2011 at 9:52pm

    The battle is not lost. Maybe this administration and its media will continue to look like morons with this class warfare crap. I”m grateful for people who have more than me. Not only do their businesses employee others, but they buy nice things that need to be installed and repaired. Their homes need painting and their yards mowed and care for. More jobs for small business. This is not that hard to figure out. Obama and your minions please get a clue !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    • wisehiney
      Posted on September 19, 2011 at 10:21pm

      The weasels are RIGHT NOW beginning to panic. OH NO! Obummer can’t balance a checkbook! The money is gone! The mules pulling the wagon are laying down because we are trying to take their feed! Horrors, we may have to get out and push! (or die).

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  • TheOracleOfTruth
    Posted on September 19, 2011 at 9:46pm

    Communists don’t care about this country, they’re gonna run us into the ground yet!

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    • riverdog1
      Posted on September 20, 2011 at 1:59pm

      communists every where!!!!!….sorry havn’t seen one in a decade or so.

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    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on September 20, 2011 at 7:07pm

      Riverdog1, that’s b/c you‘re either not smart enough to see one or you’re lying. I already see you as a Marxist since you favor “from each according to his ability, to each according to his need” philosophy.

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  • Moonbat
    Posted on September 19, 2011 at 9:44pm

    For the last ten years, this guy has had the lowest tax rates in generations. If that was going to create jobs and a robust economy, then why hasn’t it? The stark, unavoidable historical truth is that upper bracket tax cuts don’t really stimulate the economy (unless you build yachts) and they certainly don’t help with the debt.

    Incidentally, why does it cost Rep. Fleming $200K a year to feed his family? Is he feeding them cash?

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    • Mess23
      Posted on September 19, 2011 at 9:52pm

      He works hard for his money and he employs 500 people. And I believe that it says, all debts, public and private” on our cash. MYOFB!

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    • kalli
      Posted on September 19, 2011 at 9:52pm

      Moonbat is a very fitting name for you.

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    • Mess23
      Posted on September 19, 2011 at 9:53pm

      @ Moonbait

      He works hard for his money and he employs 500 people. And I believe that it says, all debts, public and private” on our cash. MYOFB!

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    • Fireman36c
      Posted on September 19, 2011 at 9:59pm

      Moonbat your a dumb a$$. If he spends $200,000.00 for food ,thats more money again back into the economy.

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    • cariboodragon
      Posted on September 19, 2011 at 10:04pm

      What business is it of yours “ WHAT ” he does with “ HIS ” money????

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    • SgtB
      Posted on September 19, 2011 at 10:04pm

      What business is it of yours as to how he spends the money HE EARNED? Answer, it isn’t! If he has a mortgage on his home, a car note or 2, top of the line health insurance, dental, life insurance that amounts to 10 times his yearly income so that his family can continue on in his absence, 15% property taxes, retirement savings, private (aka, non-gov’t indoctrination) school tuition or college tuition, and all of his families clothing, food, gas, car insurance, and entertainment to include vacations; I bet it comes pretty close to at least 200k, and if he is making 600k a year and reinvesting 2/3 of it in the creation of his own business assets and some investment in startup companies that wouldn’t otherwise get off the ground, I think he is a freaking superstar!

      People like you need to pull your damn hands out of your pockets and get to work instead of coveting what everyone else has. If he can afford something, its his damn business and not yours. He is a small business owner and has nurtured his own investment to create himself wealth and other jobs as a by-product. It’s not like he is a share holder of the federal reserve bank who prints a dollar bill at a cost of 13 cents and loans it to us at a dollar and interest. He also probably isn‘t the one voting to spend all the taxpayer’s dollars on stimulus that causes further inflation and robs from the collective savings of every person on the planet whose money is held in US dollars!

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    • cicero1776
      Posted on September 19, 2011 at 10:07pm

      @Moonbat
      U R a DINGBAT!!!!

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    • AmericablessGod
      Posted on September 19, 2011 at 10:09pm

      I’m pretty sure what he meant by “feed my family” means more than trips to the drive through window. Try mortgage, property taxes, autos, college tuition, insurance, and on and on. Not to mention that he risks everything he has to keep his business prosperous. If the fascists in this administration decide sub sandwiches are too unhealthy for “the people”, he may be bankrupted!

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    • The10thAmendment
      Posted on September 19, 2011 at 10:10pm

      Who the hell cares what Congressman Fleming does with his own money? It’s his, earned fairly while providing hundreds of jobs.

      People like Moonbat are the entire problem with this Country. They see successful people and get jealous, and feel they have a right to benefit off of the enterprise of another. Entitlement, entitlement, entitlement.

      Any person who labors to achieve success, deserve credit for what they already provide, not raked over the coals because they were smart enough, industrious enough, and creative enough to become exceptional. Only a deranged mind would think they have a right to another persons exceptionalism.

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    • drago
      Posted on September 19, 2011 at 10:12pm

      @moonbat
      encinom, you finally pick a name that suits you….

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    • TomFerrari
      Posted on September 19, 2011 at 10:14pm

      He SAVED OR CREATED JOBS for the past ten years.

      Stick THAT in your whiney pipe and smoke it!

      Now, we want MORE jobs – Who is going to create them? YOU? Or, the guy with money?
      If it is “the guy with money”, then, he will need money to hire you.

      OR, we could take 70% of it away from him, hand 80% of that out to administrators and political donors, and take the remaining 20% of his 70% and give it back to the people in the form of FOOD STAMPS. So, lets see… 70% of his 400K is 280K. Now, we waste 80% on administration and handouts to political donors/croanies (224K), leaving 56K to hand out in food stamps or welfare checks. OR, he KEEPS his 400K and hires TEN PEOPLE at 40K/yr, or TWENTY PEOPLE at 20K/yr.
      Which would you rather have? TWENTY JOBS? Or, welfare checks and food stamps.

      I can tell you this much…

      As a RESPONSIBLE MAN, I’d rather have a JOB than a HANDOUT !
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    • The10thAmendment
      Posted on September 19, 2011 at 10:20pm

      @TomFerrari
      Posted on September 19, 2011 at 10:14pm

      He SAVED OR CREATED JOBS for the past ten years.

      Stick THAT in your whiney pipe and smoke it!

      Now, we want MORE jobs – Who is going to create them? YOU? Or, the guy with money?
      If it is “the guy with money”, then, he will need money to hire you.

      OR, we could take 70% of it away from him, hand 80% of that out to administrators and political donors, and take the remaining 20% of his 70% and give it back to the people in the form of FOOD STAMPS. So, lets see… 70% of his 400K is 280K. Now, we waste 80% on administration and handouts to political donors/croanies (224K), leaving 56K to hand out in food stamps or welfare checks. OR, he KEEPS his 400K and hires TEN PEOPLE at 40K/yr, or TWENTY PEOPLE at 20K/yr.
      Which would you rather have? TWENTY JOBS? Or, welfare checks and food stamps.

      I can tell you this much…

      As a RESPONSIBLE MAN, I’d rather have a JOB than a HANDOUT !
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      Amen Brotha!

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    • Moonbat
      Posted on September 19, 2011 at 10:40pm

      Wow! You guys are really riled up tonight! Sorry if I cast aspersions on how Rep. Fleming spends his grocery dollars I know it’s hard to get by these days. Imagine the plight of his employees…

      If he really employs 500 people, even is he uses every penny of the $6 million in overhead on salary, then each of his workers makes $12,000 a year. Try feeding your family on that.

      Those are some pretty great jobs you’re creating there, Representative!

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    • My Two Cents
      Posted on September 20, 2011 at 12:07am

      I own a retail business and 90 % of my customers are wealthy. They have the million dollar homes, vacation homes, ranches, lake houses, private planes, black Amex cards, you name it. The first time I ever heard any of them utter the word budget was in 2009 and it has been downhill ever since. My current sales are down 40% over three years ago.

      70% of our economy is consumer spending and I hate to break it to you but the moonbats of the world are not making my cash register ring.

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    • factsRstubbornthings
      Posted on September 20, 2011 at 12:19am

      This man, whom I know personally, is a very good and wise steward of his money and other blessings. He’s a Proverbs 3 kind of guy.

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    • woodyl1011fl
      Posted on September 20, 2011 at 12:36am

      Hey, moonbat the $200,000 is to feed clothe, house and pay bills including education; you ever had a family? Depending on size of your family and where you live that money disappears like smoke from your grill, well maybe not your grill you may not even know what a grill is and it is not the front of your car ,if you know the difference! Do you have any fully functioning gray cells, you must have attended government schools all your life; cognitive thinking is definitely not your strong suit.

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    • dhuge67
      Posted on September 20, 2011 at 12:38am

      Obviously, if he has many children, he may be paying for their education. Id say that’s a lot better than if his kids got loans from the government to pay for college tuition.

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  • TRONINTHEMORNING
    Posted on September 19, 2011 at 9:41pm

    The left is evil and proud of it; so common sense does not apply. We can talk to the voters that are struggling but we have to beat the libs in control. No other way to recover this country. MSNBC just needs to be ignored and laughed at as they are the toilet water of this earth.

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  • inferno
    Posted on September 19, 2011 at 9:40pm

    How does one explain their position to an absolute idiot , without appearing to be one themselves, when their position is so clear and defined ?

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  • Rob in Katy
    Posted on September 19, 2011 at 9:39pm

    where does she think that the 40 thousand that average people are paid comes from? thatsbright b@tch, it comes out of that evil money that he makes and for most after figuring in the burden rate it would be more like 60k.

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    • Moonbat
      Posted on September 19, 2011 at 9:48pm

      And where does Fleming’s $600 grand come from? It comes from the poor and middle class people who eat at Subway.

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    • Kasey
      Posted on September 19, 2011 at 10:07pm

      Excuse me?! His 600,000 comes from the poor that eat at his businesses?! It comes from the money people pay to eat fresh food shipped and assembled in a tasty meal that they like. You liberal dipwads act like he’s shoving it down their throats while pulling money out of their hands. Idiot

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    • cicero1776
      Posted on September 19, 2011 at 10:13pm

      @ Moonbat
      THE POOR smoke cigarettes, drink booze, & do dope. ALL of their living expenses are paid for by guys like he & I. By the way, how do U earn a living????? Further, are U one od the 51% who dont pay income tax???

      For LIBERTY

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    • Bill Rowland
      Posted on September 20, 2011 at 7:57am

      I know a 30YOA guy who thinks he should be a manager. His experience consists of working as a dish washer or laborer. He doesn’t seem to understand why someone will not hire him to run their business.and doesn’t bother
      When he is not in Jail (or state prison) he stays up all night playing on the computer and can‘t understand why people aren’t calling him (he is going to be a handyman) to work for them.
      He lives with his parents, borrows money for cigarettes and eats his parents food. He thinks that people who have money should have to share it.
      This is what our nation is coming to – give me, give me – I don’t want to work, I want to be the boss.
      By the way – he thinks Obumbler is great.

      OBG – Psalm109:8

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  • Mess23
    Posted on September 19, 2011 at 9:38pm

    How dare he make 400K and I only make a fraction of that? I demand more!!! My Obama will help make it more fair so I don’t ever have to get off my fat, lazy a$$.

    MSNBC is bought and paid for, but them Dem’s need to take the blinders off.

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  • SageInWaiting
    Posted on September 19, 2011 at 9:36pm

    If the majority of people in this country are as dimwitted and unable to reason logically as this woman, give it up Glenn, the battle is already lost. If envy and hateful coveting the success of others (emotion) trumps reason, the righteous foundation of this country has already been washed away. Apparently she’s not very good in math; I‘m surprised she didn’t question his $200,000 expenditure on his family… unless he accounted for the taxes in that value, leaving him with that average $50k left to spend on the family.

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    • jzs
      Posted on September 19, 2011 at 10:02pm

      Let’s take what he says at face value. He’s only makes $400,000 a year, in addition to Congressional salary, another $175,000. So the guy clears well over a half million dollars a year. But wait, he’s got to “feed his family.” He reminds of that twice. So given that, he still makes well over a half million dollars a year, not matter how much caviar they eat.

      That’s a real sob story. But to his claim. If instead of well over a million bucks, if his taxes are raised a few percent, he’s down to half a million bucks. So he can’t go out there and “create jobs.”

      No, he can‘t and won’t go out there and “create jobs” because the people who afford to eat at Subway are limited and, for the moment, fixed. Eating out is the first thing you cut out when you’re broke. He’s not going to open another Subway until the people who might eat there, but can’t because they are broke, have some disposable income. He‘s not going to fire anyone if he doesn’t get a tax break (he dodged the question but that’s a fact) nor is he going to hire anyone. He’ll hire, or start a new Subway when the rest of us get tax relief, not when he does.

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    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on September 19, 2011 at 11:04pm

      JZS, you left wing bottom feeders don’t pay federal income taxes. So why should you get federal income tax relief?

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    • Right_on_the_Left_Coast
      Posted on September 20, 2011 at 1:10am

      @JZS,

      Tax relief for the working class won‘t send them back to Subway for dinner if they’re still unemployed or they’re struggling to make ends meet because they had to take a low wage job… and all the while prices keep rising.

      Sure, you can’t get a boost in sales without consumers, so it seems logical on the surface to put money in consumers hands so they can start shopping. But what is a tax cut for me going to save me? MAYBE $20 a month, unless it’s some kind of amazing tax cut. That isn’t going to get me out shopping.

      But if you cut taxes on the wealthy investors and corporations, investment goes up and operating capital increases. That higher capital translates into more jobs and increased production. The jobs provide much more than $20 per month (to the people that get them), and creates more active consumers. Those additional consumers raise demand for products, which prompts business to increase production, which in turn can create more jobs… until we reach a natural balancing point in the economy.

      But you won’t get all that with a measly little tax cut for the middle class. I’m in the middle class, and I pay my taxes, but you’d have to completely stop taxing me at all before it would translate into enough dollars to make me change my spending patterns.

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  • TwoMinuteMan
    Posted on September 19, 2011 at 9:36pm

    That 400k he has left over isnt enough to start up another single location of one of those businesses he owns. In all likely hood he would have to save that to combine with his next years income to get another location up and running. Now. Add in higher taxes that obama is taking about and the upcoming obamacare regulations and even more taxes that he knows about and you can kiss another location and anyone he would hire goodbye. Not to mention higher interest rates on any loans he would have outstanding or god forbid a natural disaster or lawsuit.

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    • riverdog1
      Posted on September 20, 2011 at 2:07pm

      two minute, he is not going to pay cash for a new biz. he, like all, will borrow. and 2. taxes have never been lower and profits for major companies have never been higher. where are the jobs from your corporate buddies?

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    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on September 20, 2011 at 7:13pm

      Riverdog1, where’s your proof to back up your claims? Anybody who‘s any good at running a business or knows about accounting knows that you’re full of crap.

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  • inferno
    Posted on September 19, 2011 at 9:35pm

    WAlk into a Lowes, Wal Mart or Home Depot, you will be able to complete a job application. Quite a service provided by these “evil” corporations. After you have done that, walk the street and stop the first homeless person you meet, and advise him or her, you are looking for a job. Ask him or her if they would consider taking your job application. Chances are they have lost their home and businesses, since our “Great Leader” took office. My point being….homeless people don’t hire. Corporations do !

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  • Cranky
    Posted on September 19, 2011 at 9:34pm

    If you watched Fox News Sunday this weekend you heard Paul Ryan articulate it quite well. People who operate Sub-S corporations will suffer. My wife and I have owned our Sub-S business for 30 years. We currently have 5 other employees. We’re just over that $250K line and can hardly make ends meet now. That fool residing in our White House hasn’t a clue.

    FREEDOM OR OBAMUNISM – YOU DECIDE!

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  • RightPolitically
    Posted on September 19, 2011 at 9:30pm

    Ms. Jansing is a useful idiot determined to help The Left destroy the country with more and more taxation and eventual financial collapse. Can’t these fools look to Europe or the old Soviet Bloc and see the errors of their ways? Of course not. Jansing, Obama and the rest are all committed ideologues.

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  • sumguyinohio
    Posted on September 19, 2011 at 9:27pm

    They understand. Admitting they understand prevents them from being able to use class warfare every election cycle.

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  • 82dAirborne
    Posted on September 19, 2011 at 9:21pm

    Amen. What is so damn difficult to understand??????

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