Westboro Shows Up in Dallas to Protest Beck — And Wait Until You Hear One Anti-Westboro Protester’s Shock View
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TheBlaze already told you about the fact that the Westboro Baptist Church, the radical, anti-gay group known for picketing fallen soldiers’ funerals, has been planning to protest Glenn Beck’s “Restoring Love.” On Saturday, they made good on that pledge, as they assembled near Cowboys Stadium in Dallas, Texas, to purportedly sing, chant and speak out against Beck.
Image Credit: Rebekah Phelps-Roper/Twitter
Also in attendance were anti-Westboro picketers who stood firmly against the radical “church” members. Interestingly, at least one of the counter-protesters set out to target Beck as well. “Westboro/Beck: I Can’t Decide Who Is Worse.”
Naturally, we wanted to know why the protester was so conflicted, especially considering Westboro’s bizarre track record. After all, Beck is hosting “Restoring Love,” an inspirational event devoted to service and caring for one another. Westboro, as has been evidenced by the group’s past actions, is devoted to picketing funerals and damning homosexuals (and many others) to hell.
“I think if I had to decide, I don’t know, Beck has a lot more power than Westboro does,” she said. “He‘s going to reach a lot more people with his views that I personally don’t agree with.”
While this particular protester was more negative about Beck, others in the group expressed positivity toward “Restoring Love” participants and the event, itself.
Watch TheBlaze’s interview with the anti-Westboro protesters, below:
“I don’t really like [Beck] in the city,” she said, referring to the television and radio host’s move to Dallas. “But at the same time, I don’t really like Westboro being in our city either.”
Image Credit: Shirley Phelps-Roper/Twitter
The protesters also told TheBlaze that Westboro refused to engage them, as they simply sang spoof songs and spouted some of their regular messaging. Here’s what Westboro posted on its website prior to the event unfolding:
Glenn Beck despises God, and he proudly says so. He climbs on WBC backs to have an issue for his radio program.
God has Smacked Glenn Beck already, giving him a little child with disease, but that doesn’t even slow Beck down. He is wholly incapable of seeing the Hand of God at work in this earth, and he flatly refuses to give the Glory of God’s work, TO GOD! He worships Mr. Peanut, a god that has no power, and worse
WBC will be at Cowboys Stadium where Beck will be inside hocking his false religious system and his rebellion against God to some other rebels agianst God, and we will warn the living to flee from that place, lest you should become a partaker of Glenn Beck’s sin.
1Ti 5:22 Lay hands suddenly on no man, neither be partaker of other mens sins: keep thyself pure.
Image Credit: Bud Kennedy/Twitter
Westboro tweeted pictures of the picket and posted them on Twitter. Below, see some of the social media messages they sent today:
In the end, nothing new to see here.
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BelindaB
Posted on July 28, 2012 at 9:08pmThank you, Glenn Beck, for bringing all people together, to witness God returning to America. God Bless You!! And God bless America!!
Report Post »jzs
Posted on July 28, 2012 at 9:22pm“TheBlaze already told you about the fact that the Westboro Baptist Church, the radical, anti-gay group…” Uh, you forgot their main claim to fame, which is their anti-Muslim views. This is the Koran burning guy.
Funny that the Blaze would forget to mention that point. That’s one area where everyone at the event can agree and form a linkage of purpose and love and common opinion. Why aren’t these people reaching out to one another on the basis of their mutual hatred of another religion?
Report Post »Jase
Posted on July 28, 2012 at 9:32pmJZS – You’re confused as usual, this is a completely different group than the “koran burning guy” (I assume you are talking about terry Jones from Florida).
Report Post »henryKnox
Posted on July 28, 2012 at 9:36pmIt is apparent that, as Glenn says, we have won. When someone tries to make negative replies to your good wishes and blessings to all, we know that we have won. Is that all they got? Thank you Glenn for standing in the fire and being a beacon for us all.
Report Post »black9897
Posted on July 28, 2012 at 10:44pmThese people protest anything, heck, I bet they’d even protest Chick-Fil-a. Anything that’s not them they protest. Jesus himself could be saying it but unless it‘s coming from their mouth they will say you’re a gay loving hell bound person. Craziness like this can’t be reasoned with. Very sad.
Report Post »jzs
Posted on July 28, 2012 at 11:02pmJase, I checked it out and you are correct. I was confused. Those are two different groups. The Westboro church is the one that hates homosexuals, and Terry Jones is the guy that hates Muslims. Sometimes I get confused about which Christian group hates which other group.
You are correct and I was wrong.
Shiroi Raion
Posted on July 28, 2012 at 11:17pmYa, fake Christians. If someone holds a sign that says, “God hates ,” that person is not a Christian. They’re nuts. But JZS’s posts are all filled with hateful intent too. So… who’s worse? I can’t decide.
Report Post »BlazingBob
Posted on July 29, 2012 at 12:17amHey JZS ! What the difference between a Liberal and the rear end of a horse?
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on July 29, 2012 at 12:18am@SHAROI RAION.. Then I guess God didn’t say Jacob I have loved and Esau I have hated..
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on July 29, 2012 at 12:29amWow..You guys must have no idea what Chistianity is and what Mormonism is.. You really should learn the difference..There has been an effort to make Mormons Christians..They are not!! They in no way believe as Christians do..In the last days..even the elect will be fooled.. The Mormons believe in the Constitution.and their End of Days Prophesy says that the banks will fail and the Constitution will be in peril..and one will rise..(their White Horse Prophesy) who will restore the Constituition and who will have the power to rule the world.by giving or withholding food..(They have amassed a fortune in orchards. farms. Power companies. news media,and most likely this one…etc.. Joseph Smith was a Freemason as was the first 5 prophets/leaders of their church..They still go by Freemasonry..having been given their religion by Freemason Joseph Smith ..The Rothschilds are behind the Freemasons as well as other NWO/Communist societies..They are said to be from the Tribe of Dan..Possibly the anti-Christ..Rev 49:17 Go ahead a drivel..G B has been leading the way the whole time..Ra Ra GO Glenn Go!!
Report Post »Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on July 29, 2012 at 12:42amHah! JZS, you got caught this time. In such a rush to criticize Christians, your brain stayed in neutral and your hands went into high gear. Shoulda done your research. Open mouth, insert foot.
Report Post »Why do people on the left start their criticizing sentences with “Funny that……”?
You make some, middle of the road, valid points, some of the time.
docgreen
Posted on July 29, 2012 at 1:13amAnyone see these stories yet? Remember how they keep telling us islam hasn’t infilltrated our Govt?
http://www.wnd.com/2012/07/judge-in-zombie-muhammad-case-reprimanded/?cat_orig=us
And if thats not bad enough, our doj is making it even worse!
http://www.wnd.com/2012/07/doj-wont-promise-to-protect-free-speech/?cat_orig=faith
Now someone Explain this; and why I’m worried about islam? I thought our GOVT. is here to work for US and to UPHOLD the Constitution? So why is it our promise of Free Speech is now being deconstructed by the doj, the un, and obama? PLEASE TELL ME HOW THIS IS HAPPENING! Why hasn’t treason charges been brought up by someone? Please! Did he “obama”, and his admin not get sworn in to Protect and Uphold the CONSTITUTION? Why then are we allowing him to do it? What about our Military, can they bring TREASON Charges against them? What about the Republicans? Are they waiting for the election and then if he’s re-elected they’ll try to stop him? We can not Wait! As we wait, he’s destroying it 10 times faster. We need to put a halt to Excutive Orders and the Fed! Make it mandatory to have a Budget! You see; if they have a budget we can hold them accountable for it. Without it, they can do as they please and Nobody can hold them accountable for it! Not even “We the People”!
Report Post »Jase
Posted on July 29, 2012 at 1:19amJZS- Apparently you are still confused. Saying that the Westboro cult are Christians is like saying the OWS rioters are followers of Gandhi. Do you actually think a Christian would hold up a sign that says “God hates your prayers”…when Jesus Himself told put such a strong emphasis on prayer??
As for Terry Jones, I don‘t know if he’s a Christian or not. But by burning the koran I see that as a protest to the neverending violence committed by muslims, and honestly I see nothing wrong with that. You so-called liberals burn Bibles all the time…and for what? At least he has good reason. It’s not about hating people, it’s about hating their atrocious acts. Romans 12:9 says to “…abhor what is evil, and hold fast to what is good.”
Report Post »NeoFan
Posted on July 29, 2012 at 1:42amBe nice to JZS. He will be out of work soon. The Romney economy will not have much work for anti-christs. Maybe Europe will have work for professional bigots and whiners?
Report Post »docgreen
Posted on July 29, 2012 at 2:07amEveryone needs to say how they feel now, in the Neat Future its going to be against the Law to say anything bad about islam! Our Freedoms our slowly being DESTROYED by obamanation of Desolation and his Admin! Please read the Links to my earlier posts and you’ll understand! How could this be happening to our Constitution and Free Speech? But somehow it allways comes back to islam and obama Destroying our Rights and Constitution!
Report Post »burnteye86
Posted on July 29, 2012 at 2:52amWhy are you so angry JZS? LOL
Report Post »HeavensGhost
Posted on July 29, 2012 at 3:52amGod is love, and that is not what this church group is spreading. However, God’s love is for the individual and not for the actions of those people. God also does not change though, so the things they list of biblical nature are true both then and now. One cannot read the Bible and find support for Gay Marriage as your comment suggests is an issue. Such marriage was ordained by God to be a Man and a Woman, that has never changed and is the only format that is acceptable to God. God does not hate either of the people involved, but, does not support or accept it as anything other then sin. Moral and Ethical values that are contained in the Bible are not changed because today’s so called enlightened view suggests that those values should now be changed. Any Church that teaches acceptance to such things does so in violation of Gods will and such is not blessed by anyone in Heaven, but, only those ignorant on earth who cannot believe in a truth that lasts forever. I do not support the actions or messages of the church or the people in question in this story as I said to begin with that God is Love, and as such his message is grace to us humans, as although he made us, he gave us free choice and knew we were not wise enough or perfected enough to choose the correct answer and methods much of the time. Of course, finally, even those in this church are entitled first to be human even though they are Christians which accounts for their failures to observed God’s teachings.
Report Post »chalkdust
Posted on July 29, 2012 at 5:00amWow! I have read some nutty stuff from Blaze posters but I never thought I would see a “Mormon Conspiracy”. Instead of a Jewish cabal to control a post apocalyptic world it’s the Mormons! Thanks for that info AshestoAshes.
Report Post »And JZS, I’m confused how anyone with a brain could confuse Westies from Christians. I’m also confused why you tend to lump extreme Islam with the entire Muslim world. If you are against radical Islam you must hate all Muslims? That makes no sense. That is what you infer on a regular basis here. Not everything and everyone is equal in merit.
Lets evaluate.
Westies that protest soldiers funeral. Baad. Most would agree.
Christians, Jews and Muslims. As a whole, GOOD! Individually, some not so much.
Terry mustache man Koran burning guy. Bad. Probably more stupid than bad.
Muslims who kill random people because mustache man Terry burned a Koran. Really BAD.
Radical Islamist’s that kill or invade others because they are not Muslim or Muslim enough. BAD
Mormons. Good. Unless your Ashestoashes, he thinks they will rule a post apocalyptic world with food.
Now, are you really going to say radical Islam and your average Muslim are the same like westies and Christians? You’re getting sloppy with your rhetoric. But in your defense, sometimes it’s hard to smear and stereotype people, even with the best rhetoric.
LIBSALWAYSLIE
Posted on July 29, 2012 at 5:41amJZS, give up you loser. Its time to admit you got nothing of value to add to the conversation.
Report Post »yougottabekidding
Posted on July 29, 2012 at 5:42amJzs
Sometimes I get confused about which Christian group hates which other group.
You are correct and I was wrong.
Report Post »As apposed to Muslims that hate everyone!
trurl
Posted on July 29, 2012 at 7:46am@JZS … Ummm….better do some fact checking before spouting off your hate filled drivel. The Westboro Boobtists are led by Fred Phelps and are located in Topeka, KS. The Koran burner was “Pastor” (and I use that term loosely) Terry Jones out of Kandahar, FL. Search engines…what’ll they think of next?
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on July 29, 2012 at 8:01am@CHALKDUST The Zionists Hebrews “ the Rothschilds” are said to be from the Tribe of Dan..you know..the ones kicked out but are spoken of in Gen 49:17 are the Communist/Zionsts I believe spoken of in Rev 2:9 which God says..I know you who call yourselves Jews who are not..I know you poverty (of Spirit) andI know your works..you are wealthy..you are the synagouge of Satan..They are behind the Communist/NWO societies..Get it? New World Order is Communism with a New Name..it transfers the wealth of the world to a few individuals..like the 13 family Rothschild/Rockefeller Federal Reserve..Joseph Smith was a Freemason..and Rothschilds are behind the secret societies like the Freemasons and the Bilderbergs.
Report Post »Google Mitt Romney and the Mormon Plan for America
This is what Mormons believe
.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7q6brMrFw0E
ashestoashes
Posted on July 29, 2012 at 8:14am@CHALKDUST Of course Islam is bad..those Muslims were given a false religion so as to be controlled for politcal purposes..I guess maybe you haven’t heard the quotes from Henry Kissinger..advisor to the US Presidents.holding various offices..
Report Post »Military Men are dumb stupid animals used as pawns for foreign policy.
When the New World Order is established..many people will die..but it will be a better world for those who survive.
It is not the truth that matters..but what is perceived as the truth.
Here someone who worked on the inside of our government as an FBI translator.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=ylKWivA3B4M&NR=1
ashestoashes
Posted on July 29, 2012 at 8:37am@DOC GREEN Of course they have..our government has been aligned with them for quite some time..It wasn’t as in our face until after 9/11.. It was not until I found that 700 bilion in TARP (our tax money) went to Sharia Compliant Banks.(they pay 2.5% of every investment to organizations funding terrorism and they pay 7% for any Sharia Law broken.. The 9 / 11 arabs were issued visas to come here and they were trained a a naval base in Florida..watch utube “Fabled Enemies” Mossad followed them in their endeavors right up to the point where they had a birds eye view of our towers going down..of course..most know that the Arabs didn’t take down that 3rd blding. Because we joined the Zioinist/Communists in Israel to go out and kill Arabs..they have been coming into our country at I understand the rate of 11 thousand a mo and by the tens of thousands by executive order as refugees..This is how the “powers that be” are turning us all into the 3rd world country and will control us all..Islam was given their religion so that they could be controlled as a military faction. They…like our soldiers are used as pawns by evil men.
Report Post »hillbillyinny
Posted on July 29, 2012 at 8:57am@ ashestoashes
Wow, are you in for a surprize, if and when you get to the Throne of God in Heaven! “In my Father’s house are MANY MANSIONS. If it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for YOU (disciples). (John 14:2, emphasis mine).
The quote above MUST BE READ IN CONTEXT–verses before from “Chapter” 13 of John–since these divisions are “artificial and arbatary”–and the rest of “Chapter” 14, where Jesus explains that HE, the WORD of GOD is the only WAY to the FATHER. Jesus sacrifice on the cross paid for the sins of man (and for the purests, “wo-man”)!
But, nothing in this talks about semantics between man-made religions! Israel is still the “chosen of God,” the Church that brings Jesus present in the Eucharist, even daily(!), is still witnessing to His death and resurrection as he commanded us to do when we “. . .eat (His) BODY and DRINK (His) BLOOD, in REMEMBRANCE (to bring present in the “jewish understanding of ‘rememberance’” such as reinacting the Passover as if those alive today were present then!), of HIM.”
Those who have an incomplete understanding of the TRUTH of God, Christ and the Holy Spirit, WILL NOT BE SEPERATED FROM GOD if they follow the “GREATEST COMMANDMENTS,” LOVE God, with all heart, mind, spirit and soul; and LOVE neighbor as self! Within these IS ALL TRUTH!
Maranatha, alleluia!!!
Report Post »poorrichard09
Posted on July 29, 2012 at 8:59amTheir sign says God hates f*gs-where is the LGBT outrage and counter-protest? The LGBT is sure trying to raise heck with chic-fil-a! Oh, that’s right-chic-fil-a’s founder is a REAL Christian.
Report Post »usedCZARsalesman
Posted on July 29, 2012 at 10:05am@ASHES…
Usually I just skip over your ramblings because they rarely make any sense…however, this whole business about “Sharia adherent banks” caught my eye. Would you please link me some sources of info on this? If it’s even remotely provable I would be VERY interested in passing that knowledge on.
Report Post »jblaze
Posted on July 29, 2012 at 10:31amASH
God is no respecter of persons Acts 10:34 Question: “Why did God love Jacob and hate Esau (Malachi 1:3; Romans 9:13)?”
Answer: Malachi 1:2-3 declares, “’I have loved you,’” says the LORD. But you ask, ‘How have you loved us?’ ‘Was not Esau Jacob’s brother?’ the LORD says. ‘Yet I have loved Jacob, but Esau I have hated, and I have turned his mountains into a wasteland and left his inheritance to the desert jackals.’” Malachi 1:3 is quoted in Romans 9:10-13, “Not only that, but Rebekah’s children had one and the same father, our father Isaac. Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad—in order that God’s purpose in election might stand: not by works but by him who calls—she was told, ‘The older will serve the younger.’ Just as it is written: ‘Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.’” Why did God love Jacob and hate Esau? If God is love (1 John 4:8), how could He hate anyone?
When studying the Bible, it is critically important to always study the context of a particular Bible verse or passage. In these instances, the prophet Malachi and the apostle Paul are using the name “Esau” to refer to the Edomites, who were the descendants of Esau. Isaac and Rebekah had two sons, Esau and Jacob. God chose Jacob (whom He later renamed “Israel”) to be the father of His chosen people, the Israelites. God rejected Esau (who was also called “Edom”) and did not choose him to be the father of His chosen people. Esau and
Report Post »jblaze
Posted on July 29, 2012 at 10:34amASH…..were in many ways blessed by God (Genesis 33:9; Genesis chapter 36).
So, considering the context, God loving Jacob and hating Esau has nothing to do with the human emotions of love and hate. It has everything to do with God choosing one man and his descendants and rejecting another man and his descendants. God chose Abraham out of all the men in the world. The Bible very well could say, “Abraham I loved, and every other man I hated.” God chose Abraham’s son Isaac instead of Abraham’s son Ishmael. The Bible very well could say, “Isaac I loved, and Ishmael I hated.” Romans chapter 9 makes it abundantly clear that loving Jacob and hating Esau was entirely related to which of them God chose. Hundreds of years after Jacob and Esau had died, the Israelites and Edomites became bitter enemies. The Edomites often aided Israel’s enemies in attacks on Israel. Esau’s descendants brought God’s curse upon themselves. Genesis 27:29 tells Israel, “May nations serve you and peoples bow down to you. Be lord over your brothers, and may the sons of your mother bow down to you. May those who curse you be cursed and those who bless you be blessed.”
Report Post »RobbieTLHughie
Posted on July 29, 2012 at 10:40amHey, what’s the difference between a comedian and some jackball on an Internet site who likes to make snide comments?
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on July 29, 2012 at 10:43am@JBLAZE You are right..God did choose His own from the foundations of the world..For Jesus was the “second” Adam. and the only “begotten” Son of God.. and Issac was the “second” child of Abraham. who was chosen as ascendenat to our Saviour… and Ismael, the first son of Abraham and Sarah’s maid Haagar was the first.. a son of Islam.. the first children were men of sin..as was the son of Jacob and his favorite wife Rachel’s servant..Billah..“Dan” who was prophesied over by his father Jacob who called him the serpent..who bites at the heels of the horse..causing its rider to fall back..
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on July 29, 2012 at 11:06am@HILLBILLYINNY..They will not post my perfectly legitimate posts to you giving you links..It is c e n s o r s h i p and prohibiting freedom of speech and information. at its finest..but I will tell you that yesI..I know that Israel is God’s chosen..But Israel is not Communists/Zionists..Jews study the Torah and are obedient to the word of God..They are living in a M a r x i s t Israel..An Israeli bill presented last year would make it illegal to draw comparisons to N A Z I Z M..with a $2,000 fine..okay? They said that they got along fine with the Arabs until the Zionists showed up which happened back when H I T L E R sent them over to take Palestine for the oil in ME..Right now we are being used for that purpose..See Fabled enemies on utube..and the interview with Sibel Edmonds. translator for the FBI..In the Bible.the Tribe of Dan (of whom it is said the Rothschilds are descendants) is named as the serpent. They have been behind H i t l e r and behind the Bolsheviks who murdered 20 million Russians and are in control of us.. They started the War of 1812 to get their bank here..our presidents were murdered who attempted to alleviate them..and they have gained complete control…It is believed they are the anti-Christ
Report Post »FNGRNFAN
Posted on July 29, 2012 at 1:53pmI thought about gion there and holding up a sign, completely different subject though possibly inapprpriate.
Have job, Have food, just enough to pay bills, Need hot rod parts for my 66 mustang anything will help GOD bless. free candy for every donation. Thank you
Report Post »1forthegoodguy
Posted on July 29, 2012 at 3:07pmI agree with the anti-Westboro protesters. I don’t know which is worse, Beck or Westboro. They both say the same thing. Here’s the difference though: Beck preaches his anti-gay, anti-Muslim, viewpoints through lens of misguided patriotism, twisted conspiracy theories spelled out on a chalkboard, and evangelical Christian far right political rallies couched to seem like some sort of “common cause” with Orwellian-sounding event themes. The Westboro “church” is more blatant and upfront with their bigotry, and all can see upfront what supreme attention-seeking idiots these people
Report Post »are. So, Beck’s “Restoring Love” or Westboro Church. Take your pick, but they’re pretty much the same. It‘s just the delivery that’s different.
black9897
Posted on July 29, 2012 at 3:37pm@1FORTHEGOODGUY
I’m not sure how you get that Beck and Westboro are the same. I’ve never heard beck say he hates gay people or muslims. In fact, he’s actually defended gay marriage (legal aspect that is). So, trying to say they are saying the same thing is absurd. However, the way in which one says something is very important. I can state I disagree with homosexuality being right or moral but I can do so in a peaceful, loving way. OR, I can be like Westboro and do it in a hateful way, which I think they actually do hate people. In the Bible Jesus tells us to spread the truth but do it in love and to be harmless as doves. So yes, delivery is very important.
Report Post »rickc34
Posted on July 29, 2012 at 4:25pmChristians are to honor God in deed and word. God said to go into all the world and preach the Gospel of Christ. If a man rejects the free gift of Salvation and love of Christ that is his choice. I live by grace and not works, I do not do things to gain favor with God because I am forgiven by what Christ did on the cross. I do what I ddo out of love for Christ you see he is my Lord and savior. Without Christ life is empty full of hate and loathing, like Satan throwing accusations and judging Christians but on what basis? On a few confused men and woman who lack the holy spirit. Many things both good and evil have bee done in the name of the Lord and God will judge them and them that falsly accuse God and his word. Do you really know God? Are you judging God by what men do? Who made you judge and jury? Be careful or you may condem yourself and miss out on Gods blessings. God is the only one that can save your soul. B
Report Post »Jwmajic
Posted on July 29, 2012 at 7:37pm“BlazingBob
Posted on July 29, 2012 at 12:17am
Hey JZS ! What the difference between a Liberal and the rear end of a horse?”
The manure coming out of the rear end of the horse can be used to grow plants the manure coming out of a Liberal is pure poison.
Report Post »Eblaze44
Posted on July 29, 2012 at 9:41pmjzs Posted on July 28, 2012 at 9:22pm
The enemy of my enemy is my friend sort of deal? If what the Westboro Baptist Church does is show God’s love – I‘ll take Beck’s God any day. It’s not that I disagree with the “baptists” on their stand – but I disagree in their method – much like the OWS crowd – who we KNOW are right about the Banksters and the Wall Streeters and the collusion with the Congress and the President – we just don’t care for their foul behavior in their protest.
Report Post »pattyble53
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 12:23amWatched Restoring Love on GBTV. Why would anyone protest restoring love or helping each other out. I just don‘t understand some of the ’groups’ that protest everything. Makes you wonder, is it just the publicity they want. I believe in positive messages and our country is in the 3rd great awakening!. Look out bogus protesters
Report Post »nmgene
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 12:28amThe westborough church is not a Christian church, they are hate filled twisted idiots who do not understand the bible. None of us is perfect even though we may strive to be, we make mistakes and commit sins. Westborough people just want to cause trouble and disrespect our fallen heroes at there funerals. They will be judged by God as we all will. I wouldnt want to be in there shoes.
Report Post »nmgene
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 12:52amIf you are Muslim and read and follow the quran you are the enemy. If you dont believe then stand up and be counted as anti muslim otherwise you are still the enemy. Westborough is not a Christian church as they do not follow the Bibles teachings. I do not condemn or demean gays, I pray for them, no I dont want them teaching or having anything to do with my children or anyone elses children. They are condemned by there actions and Gods word, they can be saved if they turn from evil and follow Jesus and the Bible. 1000s of Muslims have been converted to Christianity as they know the quran is evil lies.
Report Post »littlefish
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 10:49amfrom BlazingBob
Posted on July 29, 2012 at 12:17am
“Hey JZS ! What the difference between a Liberal and the rear end of a horse?”
answer:
The rear of a horse has a purpose
Report Post »RLNoland
Posted on July 28, 2012 at 9:07pmSomeone needs to get these ???whatever they ares names and addresses and show up on their front yards.
Report Post »stumpy68
Posted on July 29, 2012 at 9:41amThat should be easy i believe they are all mostly one family.
Report Post »Secret Squirrel
Posted on July 28, 2012 at 9:07pm.
Report Post »Simple.
Beck wants good.
Westboro wants bad.
Who would you rather stand with?
henryKnox
Posted on July 28, 2012 at 9:41pmFunny that the person interviewed said they disagree with Glenn’s views. So we are to take it that they disagree with Love, Freedom, Service, Honor, Integrity, Truth, Courage, Responsibility, Liberty, etc…? I’m sure they are not someone that I would want to know, however, would be willing to help them with their struggle.
Report Post »docgreen
Posted on July 29, 2012 at 12:20amI really believe these people are listening to someone who‘s sermans are all about hate and its all America’s fault! Hey doesn’t that remind you of Radical islam or even better yet, Jerramiah Wright’s Sermons? No difference here!…. Its all about hate! Do ya notice how they went after Glenn’s Child? That alone is enough for me to wish them to H_ll!…. I have not heard Glenn say anything about their kids! As far as I’m concerned God can strike them Dead! Glenn nor his family has done anything to these people! And yet Glenn uses his talents and people donate time, money, and food for the Poor. SO what has Glenn done to these idiots? Nothing! I don’t care if they say anything about Gays, but leave the Military, Glen, and his family alone! I think it has more to do with these A_sholes getting TV time, more than anything! We all need to watch and when these people have a funeral or tragedy we need to do the same to them and make it 10 times worse! That means stand around them at the Funeral and start singing sh_t like they do! See how they like it! I bet it stops them! If they want to Picket, tell them go to Washington, DC. and picket our worthless Govt! But that would make sense, its all about TV time! Maybe we should plaster their names and addresses on a post and let everyone start sending mail to them!
Report Post »Snafu777
Posted on July 29, 2012 at 3:37pm@Doc,
Report Post »Having run into these jokers a few times I understand your frustration. We, however, cannot play by their rules without lowering ourselves to their level. It’s best to ignore them, wait for them to do something aggressive, and use your second amendment rights when possible. Sadly the WBC is literally a family of lawyers just preying on the decency of other people so they can sue or counter-sue and make millions of dollars in the process. Wash, rinse, and repeat and you have the Westboro church in a nutshell. It’s not truly a religious body. It’s a business.
iceblast
Posted on July 28, 2012 at 9:04pmI think their God is Satan. It would make more sense what they are talking about.
Report Post »Chuck Stein
Posted on July 29, 2012 at 4:34amSeems to me that their god is the TV camera.
Report Post »BelindaB
Posted on July 28, 2012 at 9:03pmwestboro hates God….westboro hates even the THOUGHT of God. westboro are dispicable excuses for human beings, when they talk so badly of the little Children of God with disabilities and disease. They don’t even realize that THEY..WESTBORO are the disabled and diseased…
Report Post »Soothsayer
Posted on July 28, 2012 at 11:03pmThe insane never realize their affliction.
Report Post »Taquoshi
Posted on July 28, 2012 at 11:29pmInteresting…
Phelps and Co. believe that “God has Smacked Glenn Beck already, giving him a little child with disease but that doesn’t even slow Beck down.”
Well, that’s an interesting theology. Oddly enough, if God wanted to “smack” Glenn Beck, isn’t He powerful enough to do it? Phelps & Co. has a very presumptive but limited view of God.
In John 9:1-3 (KJV), this issue is addressed. “1 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth. 2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? 3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.”
Nice Try, Phelps & Co. Better luck next time.
Report Post »MrButcher
Posted on July 28, 2012 at 9:02pmThis is why I love Christianity.
It gives full grown adults an outlet for their innate and infantile foolishness and stupidity.
But Mr. Peanut?
I’m lost on that reference. Jimmy Carter? The Planter’s Peanut character? WTF?
Consider love restored.
Report Post »yohannbiimu
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 3:45pmThis is why I love places where trolls can post their opinions.
It gives full grown adults an outlet for their innate and infantile foolishness and stupidity.
Report Post »historyguy48
Posted on July 28, 2012 at 9:02pmComrades the Lord loves idiots ergo he must love the Westboro idiots!
Report Post »What more can I say?
I wonder if the Lord loves Dear Leader because he qualifies also!
Your Name Here
Posted on July 28, 2012 at 9:34pmI would say that God loves Dear Leader about the same way he loved Judas Iscariot.
Report Post »Both are tools to be used to accomplish His will.
Chairman MAObama is just the modern day Judas.
The signs of the end times are “no natural love”, “they will turn on religion”, etc.
As “The Church Lady” would say about Obama “Could he be SATAN?”
The_Pointy_End
Posted on July 29, 2012 at 1:04amIf it wasn’t for the President being completely unqualified combined with a radical hatred of the western world (we the people) there would not be a third great awakening of the people. Thank you Mr. President all you have done “…. is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve.” – Tora! Tora! Tora!
Report Post »Brittany-Imbriaarts
Posted on July 28, 2012 at 8:59pmYeah lets see who is spewing hate the guy gathering people to help those in need, or the nutcase family insulting those that fought for their right to spew hatred, handicapped children and people that help the world. Love to be there when they are called forth for judgement before god.
Report Post »palerider54
Posted on July 28, 2012 at 8:56pmWould it really be considered murder to execute these misfits ?
I mean don’t you have to have a soul to be considered human ?
Report Post »MrButcher
Posted on July 28, 2012 at 9:05pmYes, it would.
Are you the Joker?
Report Post »Soothsayer
Posted on July 28, 2012 at 11:09pmBeing declared insane in our court system will prevent you from the death penalty.
Report Post »Any one of these bigots could quite possibly get away with murder.
palerider54
Posted on July 29, 2012 at 10:53amNo Mr. Butcher, I am not the joker. I was just comparing the westboro hate group with the moslem world. People that can do such things as disrupt a funeral and cutting off the heads of people who will not accept their cult, IMO are not human. They are animals.
Report Post »How can it be murder to kill an animal ?
Rayblue
Posted on July 28, 2012 at 8:56pmThey’re no more a church than Trinity United in Chicago is.
Report Post »Both are fronts for ideals inconsistent with the word of Christ.
Magyar
Posted on July 28, 2012 at 9:05pmExactly! Perfectly said!
Report Post »338lapua
Posted on July 28, 2012 at 9:11pmVery well said, I agree.
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Posted on July 28, 2012 at 10:09pmThey may indeed be a church, but not of Christ….
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on July 28, 2012 at 11:05pmThey disagree with you on the Christ thing. Just as the Jews, the Norse, and the hindu disagree with the christ thing. http://carnelevare.wordpress.com/2010/11/07/gods-that-christians-dont-believe-in-gods-that-athiests-dont-believe-in/
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Posted on July 28, 2012 at 11:49pm@Hippo
Hey Hippo, I know this is kind of out of place but I wanted to get your opinion on something we talked about before.
It was in regards to the role of women in the church. I don’t remember it exactly but I think you made the claim God was more upset with Adam, because he was the man despite Eve being the first to eat from the tree. I think you used the wording that the buck stopped with Adam because he was the man and should have known better?
What is your response to 1 Timothy 11-15?
“A woman[a] should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;[b] she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15 But women[c] will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.”
One thing we won’t agree on is our difference in that you think a woman should have a defined role in the church simply for being a woman(basically that you would never follow a woman preacher/pastor/reverend).
The thing I can’t comprehend is that you say that the Bible actually reveres women when there are numerous cases(this being one) that calls on the subjugation/mal-treatment of women simply because they are born women.
Report Post »Paul
Posted on July 29, 2012 at 3:16am@Sleazy
You are some piece of arrogent work…
Self esteem problems seems to be a major issue with you , if you look at all your posts…….
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Posted on July 29, 2012 at 8:54am@ MOD…great question friend. If we lQQk closely at the Adam and Eve story in Genesis we see that when God approached them he first addressed Adam. Now God knew Eve had taken the fruit first, or else he wouldn’t be God. So by addressing Adam he was indicating that he held the man responsiible for his leadership because God told Adam not to eat from that particular tree. It was Adams responsibility to teach and lead his wife as her head. Now having said that remember that the verse in 1 Tim doesn’t say anything contrary to that it just states that Eve took the fruit initially. Now granted we will disagree on the role of women and that is OK, you don’t have to agree with me. But I would say that my biggest emphasis on what I hold would be the fact that the Adam Eve story and the man woman relationship in marriage is symbolic of the Christ church role. That is where I derive my understandings because often scripture refers to the church as a woman or bride and Jesus as the bridegroom. It is also very well understood that Jesus is the head of the church giving himself up for her. The bible also calls the woman the weaker vessel. Not at all meaning inferior or less than in God’s sight, but I believe in sensitivity, emotions, etc…So men should lay down their lives as Christ did for his church. I hope that answers your question of my position. Good question though Mod….
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Posted on July 29, 2012 at 8:58am@ PAUL…..Now it is required that those who have been given a trust must prove faithful. 3 I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court; indeed, I do not even judge myself. 4 My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me.—- Paul
Your posts and the spirit in them speak for themselves PAUL. Good day..
Report Post »Rayblue
Posted on July 29, 2012 at 11:25am@cesium…The “word” of Christ is not the same as a belief in Christ.
Report Post »Read your Srimad Bagavatam sometime. Of course you have one or at least a Bagavad Gita, don’t you ? Or a copy of the Ragnorok ? Perhaps your issue of the Oracles of Zoroaster ?
You’re an amateur. Don’t try to occupy the same space as Christians, Hindus, whatnot. You have no idea. You have no discernible background. You just like to throw names around. It‘ isn’t pretty how I can take you apart slowly and completely on a Sunday afternoon.
The_Cabrito_Goat
Posted on July 29, 2012 at 1:55pm“A woman[a] should learn in quietness and full submission.”
There it is, the “S” word. However, submission is not limited to wives submitting to their husbands. We are told to submit to God, governmental authorities, our boss,and leaders in the church. We are also told to submit to one another, which includes men submitting women and vice versa. God is a God of order. In a sinful world, submission to those in authority is the only way to maintain order. What form does this submission to authority take? In every instance where submission is called for wives, it is conditioned with the phrase “as to the Lord” or some other reference to Jesus Christ. The submission takes on the form of being in the will of God. If the husband asks the wife to do something outside the will of Christ, she is under no obligation to follow him.
Women are more verbal than men, and when they get together, they tend to move from subject to subject. In the synagogues, the women were segregated from the men. If they had any questions on the worship or the teachings, they would have had to shout them over to the men, or discuss them among themselves, which would have resulted in an inability to maintain order. In addition, Paul emphasizes that his rules for church are given so that everything would be “done in a fitting and orderly way.” (1 Corinthians 14:40) Disorderly communication, such as uninterrupted speaking in tongues, was not encouraged.
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Posted on July 29, 2012 at 2:00pm12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;
On “not being permitted to teach” – Some interpret this passage to mean that women should never teach in the assembled church. However, commentators point out that Paul did not forbid women from ever teaching. Paul’s commended co-worker, Priscilla, taught Apollos, the great preacher (Acts 18:24-26). In addition, Paul frequently mentioned other women who held positions of authority in the church. Phoebe worked in the church (Romans 16:1). Mary, Tryphena, and Tryphosa were the Lord’s workers (Romans 16:6,). Paul was very likely prohibiting the Ephesian women, not all women, from teaching. To understand these verses (Ephesians 2:9-15), we must understand the situation in which Paul and Timothy worked. In first-century Jewish culture, women were not allowed to study.\ When Paul said that women should learn in quietness and full submission, he was offering them an amazing new opportunity. Paul did not want the Ephesian women to teach because they didn’t yet have enough knowledge or experience. The Ephesian church had a particular problem with false teachers.
Report Post »Evidently, the women were especially susceptible to the false teachings (2 Timothy 3:1-9), because they did not yet have enough Biblical knowledge to discern the truth. Paul was telling Timothy not to put anyone (in this case, women) into a position of leadership who was not yet mature in the faith (1 Timothy 3:6). The same principle applies to t
SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
Posted on July 29, 2012 at 3:01pm@ MOD….Thanks for your question it is a good one. First to explain my position let us recap the Adam & Eve account. God in fact initially addressed the man after the fruit had been eaten, indicating that God held him repsonisble for the event. Just like we do in the world if a team gets out of line we go to the coach and ask what is going on because ultimately the responsibility lies at his/her feet. God had initially given the instruction to Adam not to eat the fruit, and he as the head of his wife (created first) was to lead and instruct her accordingly. We know Adam was present when Eve took the fruit because when she took it she gave to him and he did eat. So in it all Adam was passive given the role to lead his wife in the directive of God and allowed her to lead in a sense. Given this, the Scripture you referenced would agree with my understanding that Eve did take and she led rather than Adam, as he should have. Hence in Genesis it says that the woman’s desire would be for her husband, but that he would rule over her. What this means is not that the man is to be abusive, authoritative, or harmful in any way, but that the order of things should represent the husband as the head in the marriage. To lead in Christianity carries the meaning of being a servant (like Jesus was both Master and servant to his disciples) in addition to bearing the responsibility and therefore the acocuntability before God to lead in the marriage and in the church. CONTINUED……
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Posted on July 29, 2012 at 3:10pm@ MOD….To understand better the relationship between a man and a woman we have to lQQk at the greater meaning of what it is meant to symbolize spiritually. Christ is referred to as the bridegroom many times in scripture and the chruch the bride. Christ is the head of the church and the bride (the church) is to be in full submission to him. Now in the marriage of a man and a woman, the man is commanded to be the kind of husband to the woman as Jesus was to the church, who was the ultimate servant even to the point of dying for her. In turn, the woman is to love adore and submit to the husband the same way the church does to Jesus. As one in full submission to my head (Jesus) I do not feel opprossed or abused in anyway. In fact I feel very loved and cared for. Now having said all that, do men sin against their God given role like Adam? Of course so, just as women sin against theirs and so we cannot judge the established order to be evil or bad because men pervert the understanding of what God has established. We could say the same thing about sex. God created it and it is good, but evil men pervert it in many ways such as molestation, rape etc…but this does not implicate the intended design as flawed or bad. I hope that helps explain your question, it was a good one…..Thank you MOD…
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Posted on July 29, 2012 at 3:17pm@ THE CABRITO…..I agree with the things you stated. Good post. we took 2 different approaches but we probably would agree with each other I believe. Woman actually have a vital role in the home and in the church. But as you stated ultimately the buck stops with the man before God as he is typically considered to be in the leadership role for the most part. Thanks and God bless….
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Posted on July 29, 2012 at 3:22pm@THE_CABRITO_GOAT
All your generalizations and rationalizations are fine.
That still doesn’t nothing to refute the point that Hippo personally said he would never go to a church that was lead by a woman because he believes that women are given a certain role, and leading a church isn’t one of them. It also did nothing to refute what was at the crux of my post to Hippo. In a previous post, he said that when it came down to it, God was more upset with Adam about eating of the fruit, because he was the man, while Eve was just the woman.
In the verse I listed”For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner” it shows that more blame is put on Eve for the fall of man.
I have heard other Christians make the same claim.
Your whole post speaks directly to what I talk about in regards to religion.
You sit here and talk about how previous and current day “scholars” “interpret” what the Bible says. Yet in the next sentence you will say that the Bible is inerrant and is the true word of God.
You have no supernatural backing to claim that your interpretation of what the Bible says is anymore correct than another person’s interpretation of the Bible.
Report Post »chazmo
Posted on July 29, 2012 at 3:34pmmore like 501 3c
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Posted on July 29, 2012 at 4:34pm@ MOD…Thanks for your question it is a good one. First to explain my position let us recap the Adam & Eve account. God in fact initially addressed the man after the fruit had been eaten, indicating that God held him repsonisble for the event. Just like we do in the world if a team gets out of line we go to the coach and ask what is going on because ultimately the responsibility lies at his/her feet. God had initially given the instruction to Adam not to eat the fruit, and he as the head of his wife (created first) was to lead and instruct her accordingly. We know Adam was present when Eve took the fruit because when she took it she gave to him and he did eat. So in it all Adam was passive given the role to lead his wife in the directive of God and allowed her to lead in a sense. Given this, the Scripture you referenced would agree with my understanding that Eve did take and she led rather than Adam, as he should have. Hence in Genesis it says that the woman’s desire would be for her husband, but that he would rule over her. What this means is not that the man is to be abusive, authoritative, or harmful in any way, but that the order of things should represent the husband as the head in the marriage. To lead in Christianity carries the meaning of being a servant (like Jesus was both Master and servant to his disciples) in addition to bearing the responsibility and therefore the acocuntability before God to lead in the marriage and in the church. CONTINUED…..
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Posted on July 29, 2012 at 4:40pm@ MOD…the first part of my response to you didn’t post so I have tried again. If you see it you will know it actually should have been posted before the one that appeared first. I could not go to a church led by a woman because I would be sinning against my conscience. Scripture says anything that is not done in faith is sin. So if others disagree with me and go that is between them and God. However, I do think there is a strong case to be made for my position….Thanks friend.
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Posted on July 29, 2012 at 5:26pm@ MOD……One thing I forgot to mention is the consideration of the following. Adam knew God’s command not to eat the fruit and we have already established he was present when Eve took the fruit to eat it. Remember God said when you eat of it that you will surely die (meaning immediate spiritual death and eventual physical death). Adam did not intervene with his wife and say no don’t take that. Instead he let her eat watching to see if in fact she would die like God said. When she did not, it is logical to assume Adam desired to take the fruit as well. Of course Adam misunderstood the concept of death and what it actually would mean. Adam chose to love himself more than his wife Eve (and God) and let her take the fruit to fall of them both. Since God had made Adam first and directly communicated his instruction with the man and the man in turn was to teach his wife, God approached him first when confronting their sin in the garden because he was derlict in his charge from God. Jesus, called the second Adam, was not derlict in his role as a servant leader and therefor redeemed the woman (his church)….sorry for the serial posts…..
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Posted on July 29, 2012 at 6:53pm@Hippo
The way that I read Timothy is that the women is being punished(to learn in quietness, etc) because she was the first to be deceived.
You would think that God would fault Adam(men) more(you say he does, I say he doesn’t), and revoke/relinquish/remove man’s authority to rule over women(through teaching of scripture, etc), because it was shown that Adam was incapable of doing that. That’s not what we see though, we see an even tougher rebuke of women saying that because of their action, men will rule over women even more.
He gave women a special “punishment”
“I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.”
It then goes onto say to Adam, “Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat of it all the days of your life.” Something that applies to both men and women.
There was more rebuke for what Eve did, then what Adam did. While you might argue that God was more disappointed in Adam, the fact is he still punished Eve(women) more.
It is this teaching that has lead to the subjugation of women throughout our history. You may say that the Bible reveres women, but it surely wasn‘t interpreted that way and still isn’t by a lot of Christians.
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Posted on July 29, 2012 at 8:56pm@ MOD….I think one difference that we have is you see it as a punishment and I don’t anymore than I see me as a Christian being fully submissive to Jesus Christ. I think what Paul was doing was showing that Adam and Eve did not follow the created order and there were the consequences he goes on to describe. That is why is exhorting the church to follow the created order.
He gave women a special “punishment”
Report Post »“I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.”…….Do you think it odd that God would choose pain during child birth as a punishment? It seems odd at first unless you understand it to reflect the gospel of Jesus Christ which it was meant to. Remember Nicodemus and Jesus’ conversation about being born again? Jesus gives birth to his children (Christians) but only by the pain of the cross, which was great. It is a picture symbol again of the gospel of Jesus because of Adam and Eve’s sin that God can only give new birth through the pain and agony of his cross (See Jn 16:19-24). No doubt evil men have tried to use the bible to the detriment of women, but this goes back to y argument that it is not logical to judge the original order as bad or harmful because of the evil actions of men. The bible clearly teaches that men ar to love their wives and give themselves up for her as Christ did the church. You tell me if that is abusive or not.
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Posted on July 29, 2012 at 9:36pm@ MOD….One final seemingly small but important point I owuld like to make….If you lQQk very closely at the verses dealing with Adam and Eve you will notice that when God deals with the Serpent he says, “Because you have done this………consequences ensue and a curse is pronounced.” When dealing with Adam, we see the same pattern, “Because you listened to your wife…..consequences ensue and a curse is pronounced.” This two statements assign blame for actions. However, when we lQQk at God’s interaction with Eve he never assigns blame for anything. He simply says your pains in birth will greatly increase. God never says to Eve “because you have done this”. And he never calls what he is going to do to her a curse like he did with Adam and the serpent. If you go on to read the context of the rest of the account you will see that God addresses only Adam as he drives him from the garden not Eve…….The Lord God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them. 22 And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” 23 So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. 24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side[e] of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life. Thak you….
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Posted on July 30, 2012 at 12:37pm@Hippo
Yes, but Adam’s punishment was also a punishment for Eve.
It’s not like suddenly only Adam needed to eat food to stay alive, etc.
Also it seems you are making the claim that God only kicked Adam out of the garden of Eden when I’ve never heard someone make that claim before.
I would also argue that the “intent” of the Bible still lives on in many ways, that intent is just interpreted different ways. It’s possible for there to be any numerous numbers of interpretations, and all or most of them still live on.
You look at the Bible as the inerrant word of God, therefore anything bad that comes isn’t the original intent. Each person claims their own interpretation is correct, and that their version of Christianity is divinely inspired.
I view the Bible as a book written by men, one that could be interpreted any number of ways. If this book was viewed just as that….a book, any bad interpretations could be marginalized because the person can’t claim divinity behind their interpretation.
I have seen many religious people look at their religion and their holy book through rose colored glasses. That there could possibly be nothing evil about their book. It’s human nature to do so, so I understand it.
Because it is their holy book and all of it is true, I’ve seen people jump through absolute hoops to try to find a way to make it look good(including a friend of mine who is an Evangelical Pastor).
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Posted on July 30, 2012 at 2:46pm@ MOD…I am not suggesting that Eve was not included in the exile from the garden, but when God discussed it he specifically addressed the man since he was ultimately responsible in God’s eyes because God had communicated with Adam directly who should have stopped his wife but instead joined in with her. Adam was more culpable because he had been in direct commnication with God and not only disobeyed the commandment but failed to lead his wife in it as well. Eve could never be accused of forcing her husband to do what he didn’t want to or for not leading her husband adequately. While it is true that there can be/are numerous interpretations, the reality is that only one truth exists. The interpretation that comes the closest to that truth is then the correct one. So to go back to my initial point we cannot judge the original design to be flawed or evil because men misuse or misinterpret it. It is fallacious reasoning to do so. If someone kills someone while driving a car due to their negligence, do we therefore reason cars are bad or flawed? Of course not. Cars are good and do great things when used properly, but when used improperly can do great harm. CONTINUED…..
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Posted on July 30, 2012 at 3:00pm@ MOD…You stated, “Each person claims their own interpretation is correct, and that their version of Christianity is divinely inspired.” While this may be true, however is it any different than what you are doing? Do you not proclaim to possess truth when you even make these statements? So in the same way every living person has a world view that determines how they answer life’s questions based on their presuppositions. Based upon your criticism we could say that thruth cannot be known because everyone claims they possess it. However, this is obviously a flawed conclusion because truth may in fact exist and some may in fact possess it while others do not. No matter how many claim to the contrary. In fact, if your argument be true (self contradictory statement in itself) I would suggest that truth could never be known, including the statement I just made and if truth cannot be made known then it does not reflet reality and if truth does not reflect relaity then there is no reality and yet the great philosopher saw the problem and stated, “I think, therefore I am” meaning the reality of our existence is assurred. So we logically understand that truth exists and it is to be discovered by clearly examining evidence in many fascets. I do agree with you if simply written by men then we should disregard it as self-refuting since it claims to be the communication of God. However, the evidence from bibliographical to external and internal evidence is significant.
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Posted on July 30, 2012 at 3:30pm@ MOD…Finally I would say your parting comment about lQQking at a holy book through rose colored glasses is a great argument against the bible being written by men (thank you for bringing it up)! As you correctly pointed out, it is man’s nature to make their holy book lQQk as good as possible. However, when we lQQk in the bible we see God’s servants involved in all kinds of sin. Abraham — lying twice, Moses – killing an Egyptian, David – committing adultery and murder, Sampson – sleeping with a prostitute, Jonah – being angry with God, Peter – being filled with pride and rebuking Jesus, Noah – getting drunk and naked, Paul – standing over and giving approval to the stoning of Stephen ( the first Christian Martyr), Lot’s daughters commiting incest, and on and on. It is the rawness and unflattering accounts of God’s people that, as you argued, are contrary to human nature when discussing religious matters. For this reason, I cannot imagine mere men writing stories that would indict them in the manners in which the bible does. Nor can I imagine that if men merely invented these stories about others who served God and not themselves I cannot conceive that they would make them so utterly flawed and exposed as they did. It just isn’t logical given human nature as you noted. Thank you for your insights and time…
Report Post »BelindaB
Posted on July 28, 2012 at 8:53pmwestboro church” protesters at our military funerals should be shot on site. God is not part of westboro cult at all….Reading how they condemn God‘s children with disabilities and diseases is proof they don’t believe in God at all….and God will be their judge
Report Post »lefty5005
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 4:11pmGod presents challenges to us so that we might evolve and become better by meeting those challenges. We have a thick book with a lot of paragraphs called the Book of Eli (just kidding) called “The Bible” that explains things and gives us a guide as to how to meet those challenges correctly. How to do this properly has not been resolved for over 2000 years.
Report Post »The WBB group should all be beaten within an inch of their lives and told you ever do it again and you will die. They will not come back, I assure you. I am not sure which paragraph in “The Bible” explains this way of meeting a challenge but it sure would make me feel a lot better.
chipchat
Posted on July 28, 2012 at 8:50pmThe WBB crown is one family led by a patriarch named Fred Phelps. Many in that family are lawyers. They protest mainly to draw a reaction, one that they can file suit over. I read they’re also registered Democrats. It’s a racket designed to draw publicity and dollars.
Report Post »bikerdogred1
Posted on July 28, 2012 at 8:49pmWestboro,this is what happens when family is made to have sex together I can not believe these are good democrats.I look at Pelosi and I see a family resemblance,they all have that democrat look of the unknown.Better vote for Romney.
Report Post »James Daly
Posted on July 28, 2012 at 8:45pmMr. Peanut!!! You‘re talkin’ about my LEADER, MAN!
Report Post »SiToNiTsOrOs1
Posted on July 28, 2012 at 8:41pmWestboro is a group of misguided souls. Perhaps some other hand is involved here. Do they perhaps get their funding (or ‘donations’) from a George Soros front company???
Glenn’s heart is in the right place and the FREEDOM movement is the right direction for this country.
Westboro: You could learn a few things from Glenn Beck and all of those whom he has touched. God is at work here.
Report Post »BelindaB
Posted on July 28, 2012 at 8:56pmI totally agree, God is at work here
Report Post »INTHEBROTHERHOOD
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 9:42am@ sit on it…..heres my take…..westboro “congregation” is a bunch of Guided souls….not misguided. Pappa Smurf I mean phelps knows exactly what hes doin. and he’s good at it. Tax free law suits. Glenn Beck is another story…I think hes testing the waters so to speak…to evaluate a breakaway sect or faction of the LDS church under his doctrine. Thats what they do..theres been over 100 different factions of that church each one led by an individual with a lil different ideology. just a hunch…
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on July 28, 2012 at 8:35pmNow isn’t that special? Idiots protesting and can’t decide what they really want to protest…The stupidity does not even rise to the level of being moronic…
Report Post »BlesstheJews
Posted on July 28, 2012 at 8:35pmRefresh my memory, why arent we allowed to just shoot them Westoboro inbreds? They are the modern day Amalakites.
Report Post »LB
Posted on July 28, 2012 at 8:45pmWestboro people are like those creeps in the movie “The Hills have eyes” they were a bunch of in-bread monsters who were evil. Judgment day…..
Report Post »Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on July 28, 2012 at 8:51pmLook, I was always taught, don’t shoot anything unless your going to eat it. They don’t look very tasty, and I hear inbreeding makes the meat tough and gamey.
Report Post »justangry
Posted on July 28, 2012 at 8:34pm“Thank God for dead soldiers” I can’t stand this whacky cult.
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on July 29, 2012 at 12:46amThat gets me as well..They should protest war..not the soldiers..that’s just detestable.
Report Post »rickc34
Posted on July 29, 2012 at 4:33pmFreedom is not free. Its story is written in the blood of patriots.
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on July 28, 2012 at 8:33pmNowhere in the New Testament can it be found that God hates sinners. He hates sin is quite true, for it keeps us fm being w/Him as He had intended fm the start of creation.
Report Post »INTHEBROTHERHOOD
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 9:59ameleana…..Jesus created us…..His father was going to kill us….The world is Gods creation….and it remains forever
Report Post »DmrNDrt
Posted on July 28, 2012 at 8:30pmHow anyone can call any child of God and particularly a special needs child a curse from God is beyond me.
Report Post »It seems to me that Satan is alive and well, and living in the hearts of the Westboro Baptists!
BelindaB
Posted on July 28, 2012 at 8:55pmAmen!
Report Post »Steelhead
Posted on July 28, 2012 at 8:28pmHey Billy, that was pretty pointless interview. The lady is right one is dumb and the other is dumber. And Billy ,what’s with the lisp?
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on July 28, 2012 at 8:27pmI will only say this much of the Westboro band: Their own deeds are testimony enough, let the Father be the final justice in judgement upon them and each of their actions.
For Beck and ‘Restoring Love’: I do see the mighty hand of God behind it, and the hand of God and His Spirit moving mightly through the land and the world as well. I hold that we are in the latter rains of restoration and refreshing as foretold in the book of Joel.
Mind you, I am not making an end of time prediction or such, for Jesus himself said that only the Father knows when the time of his return shall be; I just know we are into a time when all is turning upon itself and realigning in a new direction.
May the outcome of this time of resetting and restoration be a blessing in the end, and may God aid and help us through it for His glory, honor and purpose on earth to be fulfilled.
Report Post »kindling
Posted on July 28, 2012 at 9:21pmAmen!
Report Post »pwatkins
Posted on July 28, 2012 at 10:59pmAmen! God wants his children to stay positive and that is the meaning behind Glenn’s Restoring Love. Westboro and all of the radicals only want to move forward with hate among us and that creates nothing but more division and destruction of our great nation. Thank you Glenn and all that are taking part in this beautiful movement for the Glory of our Lord and Saviour. God bless America!
Report Post »David Foxfire
Posted on July 29, 2012 at 4:39pmI hear you there, and wherever God sends them, I doubt the other residents there would be pleased to have them….or on second thought, maybe they will. Every Prison needs a Bottom Bunker, if you catch my meaning.
Report Post »hatchetjob
Posted on July 28, 2012 at 8:25pm“Glenn Beck despises God, and he proudly says so”??? They must be listening to someone else by the same name.
Report Post »Smokey_Bojangles
Posted on July 28, 2012 at 8:25pmDoes the Phelps Family tree have a fork in it at all?
Report Post »hatchetjob
Posted on July 28, 2012 at 8:29pmNo, but I have a dog in this fight.
Report Post »kindling
Posted on July 28, 2012 at 9:20pmNo….but it does have a pointy tail.
Report Post »Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on July 28, 2012 at 9:29pmSo they have a dog in the tree?
Report Post »Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on July 28, 2012 at 8:23pmThese people HAVE to be lunatics to be attending a church that spews so much hate.
Report Post »DEFCON4
Posted on July 28, 2012 at 8:36pmOne Sign read= “ GOD Hates Your Prayers ” this shows their true ignorance……..
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on July 28, 2012 at 9:38pmUh, most people on The Blaze would agree with the Phelps family that homosexuality(and potentially allowing homosexual marriages) is one of the downfalls of our society.
They just are honest in their hatred of gay people. They don’t look at their hatred of gay people through rose colored glasses like most religious people do.
You likely want to stifle the right for gay people to get married just as much as the Phelps family.
Report Post »henryKnox
Posted on July 28, 2012 at 9:47pmSome hateful person responded to your comment with a stereotype of people that he obviously doesn’t know. These are people that drive hundreds or thousands of miles to stand in the 100 degree heat to help their fellow man, to provide service. The trolls are really beginning to make themselves look foolish and I feel sorry for them. If they would open their heart and mind they would find that they would be much happier.
Report Post »julie w
Posted on July 29, 2012 at 1:12am@moderationisbest:
Uh, most people on The Blaze would agree with the Phelps family that homosexuality(and potentially allowing homosexual marriages) is one of the downfalls of our society.
They just are honest in their hatred of gay people. They don’t look at their hatred of gay people through rose colored glasses like most religious people do.
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Some (like the westboro baptist people) apparently DO hate gay people. Most Christians, however, do not. Disagreeing with someone‘s lifestyle or someone’s view does not automatically equate to “hating them”. For those Christians who do struggle with hate towards gays or anyone else….they need to remember hating anyone is NOT the way of the Lord.
Besides, you disagree with those who disagree with the gay lifestyle? Do you hate those whom you disagree with? If you do then – with all due respect – it would seem you have a battle of hate you need to overcome before it destroys you. If you DON’T hate those who disagree with you – then why do you assume with an arrogant belief of superiority that others are not capable of the same mentality and maturity?
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on July 29, 2012 at 2:29am@JULIE W
What you call disagreements, I call hate.
There is a difference between saying, “I disagree with homosexuality.” That’s a disagreement.
That’s not what I see on here.
I constantly see
People calling homosexuality a mental disorder.
Comparing it to having sex with a dog or having sex with a child.
Saying that they will NEVER accept it.
Calling them freaks and abominations.
That is hate.
No, I don’t hate people who fight against the right for homosexuals to get married. I pity them.
When I see people say, “I will never accept gay people.” I think of my 92 year old Grandma who said to me this weekend, “I would disown my daughter if she married a black man.”
I don’t see a disagreement, I see intolerance. I don’t see a disagreement, I see bigotry. I don’t see a disagreement, I see religious people trying to pass laws to force others to confirm to their religious belief.
Also, just because you disagree with something, doesn’t mean you have the right to deny it to them. In 2010, 46% of Republicans said they wanted to put laws on the book to ban interracial marriage. Should they be allowed to ban it because it is “against their belief?”
This is a land based on secular law, not biblical.
I have friends who are Christians who don’t approve of homosexuality, but they also don’t think they have the right to deny them the ability to get married.
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