WH Science Czar: Use ‘Free Market’ to ‘De-Develop’ U.S., Wealth Redistribution ‘Absolutely Essential’
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In an on-the-fly interview with CNSNews.com, White House Office of Science and Technology Director John P. Holdren explained what he meant when he wrote in his 1973 book Human Ecology: Problems and Solutions that “A massive campaign must be launched to restore a high-quality environment in North America and to de-develop the United States.”
In that book, co-authored with Paul and Anne H. Ehrlich, Holdren also calls wealth redistribution (both within and among nations) “absolutely essential” in order to provide a decent life for everyone.
CNSNews.com: “You wrote ‘a massive campaign must be launched to restore a high quality environment in North America and to de-develop the United States’ in your book Human Ecology. Could you explain what you meant by de-develop the United States?”
Holdren: “What we meant by that was stopping the kinds of activities that are destroying the environment and replacing them with activities that would produce both prosperity and environmental quality.”
When asked how this would be achieved, Holdren responded, “Through the free-market economy.”
Holdren has long worried about population overgrowth and what might happen should our current environmental and economic state not be able to support the world’s inhabitants. In Human Ecology, CNS News points out, he also calls for “political,“ ”legal,“ and ”boycott” action in order to make sure that resources and wealth are distributed evenly:
Resources must be diverted from frivolous and wasteful uses in overdeveloped countries to filling the genuine needs of underdeveloped countries,” Holdren and his co-authors wrote. ”This effort must be largely political, especially with regard to our overexploitation of world resources, but the campaign should be strongly supplemented by legal and boycott action against polluters and others whose activities damage the environment. The need for de-development presents our economists with a major challenge. They must design a stable, low-consumption economy in which there is a much more equitable distribution of wealth than in the present one. Redistribution of wealth both within and among nations is absolutely essential, if a decent life is to be provided for every human being.
H/T: CNS reporter Nicholas Ballasy
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Comments (276)
Freedomwatcherguy
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 3:27pmThese socialist idealogues are so caught up in their utopian dreams they fail to notice that socialism has been a failure wherever it has been tried. Common sense would seem to indicate that it is a dead end. Yet here we are having to battle communists taking over our own government—it’s unbelievable. We are never going to have a perfect world. The one thing that makes America unique is its core principle that the INDIVIDUAL is what is important. Without that we are NOTHING!
Report Post »obgone
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 4:26pmFreedom, you are right on! Socialism represses the human spirit as man was created to acheive what his mind can perceive through commitment and hard work and yes, there will always be those who choose to acheive nothing. Americans will always help those who need help, but by choice, not by redistribution of weath…………..the American spirit will never give it to marxism, communism, socialism, or any of those depressing isms.
Report Post »Freedomwatcherguy
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 5:30pmIndividuality is the ONLY way that Spirit can ever express itself! Not through groups, parties, companies, nations, churches or even religions. America’s enshrinement of the individual puts her on a spiritual footing and makes her unique in all the world. It is what makes her a light, a beacon, and a symbol of hope to the rest of the world. Socialism is of course anti-individual.
Report Post »flyguync
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 5:40pmThe problem is these idiots think that socialism has worked! They try to blame the global recession on capitalism!
Report Post »Freedomwatcherguy
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 6:38pmThere is zero possibility that socialism can ever work. Why? Because it places groups above the Individual. Only the Individual is rooted in the infinite, inexhaustible Spirit. Groups, of any description, have no access to this.
Report Post »Stupid Windmill
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 6:39pmAnother problem is people think some aspects of socialism don’t work.
Its more about balance than anything. Anybody in Europe understands this.
Report Post »Freedomwatcherguy
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 6:52pmSTUPIDWINDMILL,
Report Post »Socialisn cannot work, ever, as explained above. It has no spiritual foundation beneath it, therefore is not based on Reality, and therefore doomed to failure. I respectfully request that you please take the trouble to read and more importantly, understand my posts before replying to them.
smugsmiley
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 7:46pmWhat just happened:
Freedomwatcherguy: Socialism doesn’t and cannot work.
Stupid Windmill: What about Europe? They seem to be doing pretty good for themselves
Freedomwatcherguy: Europe does not exist, also we’ve always been at war with Eastasia
Report Post »Freedomwatcherguy
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 8:11pmSMUG:
Report Post »Socialism has never worked, isn’t working, will never work, cannot ever work. Absolutely, and really I do mean absolutely, impossible. Reasons explained above. Suggest deep and severe pondering what I have said above, from the beginning. Whatever anyone may currently feel about the way things are going in Europe or anywhere else, at any time. Principle doesn’t change nor is it ever abrogated under any circumstances. That is why I love it.
warmac9999
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 3:24pmI wonder where these supposedly educated idiots come from. Gads.
Report Post »Time_To_Stand
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 3:14pmDear Science Czar,
Go to you know where!!! Or you can take your science czar self to some marxist country and stay there. That is the only thing Absolutely Essential.
We The People don’t want America de-developed!!!!!!!!!!!!! Got It!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We don’t want you or anyone else redistributing wealth!!!!!!!!
People need to work in order to earn a living and then it is up to them to give to others.
You can’t possibly call yourself a scientist. You discredit the scientific community.
Report Post »smugsmiley
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 3:21pmYou’re not the people. You’re some guy. You have the right to your opinion, so does he, so does everyone else. The majority will decide. Got it (thirteen exclamation marks)
And he‘s looking for the solutions he’s supposed to look for. Analyzing problems and finding solutions is exactly what science is for, so I’d call him a credit to the scientific community since he is, in fact, doing what he’s getting paid to do.
Report Post »liberty2day
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 9:42pmSmugsmiley – But all his solutions seems to be political. I’m not sure “political” science is what the world needs more of to solve its problems. Social engineering has not been a stellar success historically. It’s usually the evolutionary process before dictatorship and then collapse of the society. Of course our progressives may be a lot smarter then those other progressives. My guess is they aren’t.
Report Post »jrcess
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 3:14pmUnder what rock did they find this imbecile. I cannot believe taxpayer money is used to fund this goof ball. Send him to Cuba, he would fit right in, whoops they just let go 500,000 people because the 1957 chevys are no longer working.
Report Post »freedomwatcher
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 3:13pmGlobal totalitarian government. What could possible go wrong with that?
Report Post »warmac9999
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 3:26pmI remember the Star Trek episode where people were put in a lottery and, if their number came up, they would have to walk into a suicide chamber. That is where global government will ultimately take you if you wish to go.
Report Post »Stupid Windmill
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 6:09pm…Remember the whole premise of Star Trek?
Report Post »DSTSS2010
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 3:07pmJust moore Obama Administration “PSYCHO-BABBLE”.
RealityCheck
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 3:05pmLOL
Overpopulation worries? Ya, so I guess the millions of people jumping our border and offering them college education for their children, food stamps and whatever else our tax dollars will pay for isn’t a concern. Nor is it a concern that more will want to come along for the free ride on American tax payers. I’m pretty sure that would be the overpopulation crisis to most worry about. America run by morons at the tax payers expense!
Report Post »smugsmiley
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 3:18pmIt’s the science and technology advisor of the white house. What the hell does he have to do with immigration?
Report Post »LasVegas Lady
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 3:59pmWell said.
Report Post »Laus Deo Too
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 3:04pmOne day soon, when the press is TOLD what they can and cannot print by these Marxists, they will wish they had spoken up.
Report Post »ron the veteran
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 9:29amthey should lose their licenses for lieing to all of us. if they cant tell the facts with out ******* bias they dont belong on our airspace. leg humpers like mathews should go to prison for conspiring with dems to defraud the public.
Report Post »littlebin518
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 3:03pmHow ’bout we work on educating the poorer peoples of the world so they can do for THEMSELVES and can become wealthy on their own rather than taking our wealth. We’ve worked hard for the money ~ so can they. There is NO FREE LUNCH for anyone!
Report Post »FREECOUNTRY
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 3:00pmThis guy is a laughing stock and should be removed from hist post. This is Anti-American thinking.
Report Post »Donald
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 3:00pmThis does not surprise me, Americas youth has been taught through school sysem to reconize key words…Capitalst are wrong…Free Market makes Capitalist….And then One World Ecomony…now its Distribution of Wealth.
Report Post »missmarie
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 2:58pmJohn Holdren has been scaring the daylights out of me for decades. I was appalled when he was named Science & Tech Czar and wondered how long it would be until this global viewpoint he has advocated for so long – that US is bad and all our resources should be allocated evenly to others, well not HIS resources, but the common folks, you know – would be instituted. All signs point to Global Governance. Just about every czar and every agency is working toward that end at a alarming pace. How in the world do we stop this?
Report Post »DarthHubrys
Posted on September 18, 2010 at 6:10amwith the blood of patriots and tyrants….jefferson
Report Post »BetterDays
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 2:54pmanother enslave the world for his socialist marroon, These socialists dont seem to want to clue people in to what happens under their proposed system, that no one but a very few have anything at all thats good in any way, gonna have to make me play bucco, and I dont play well with the Karl Marx kids, just check my report card and see!
Report Post »The arrogance is almost edible, perhaps they favor pride over the UN approved ants. As God is my witness, they are insane, simply not caring, and that causes me grave concerns. Why? Because they dont give a rats behind, they will justify anything to get their creepy agena to fruition. Total Gnostic thinking, the end justifies the means.
Obamanation, sounds so Biblical doesnt it?
Funny thing though, im a very unrich conservitive christian, poorer that most folk in Harlem, yet they say I owe them? That I stole from them? How about a case of “insanity be gone” for the socialists, seems to me they all could use a good brain washing, just to remind them that America is a republic.
Who is John Gault?
smugsmiley
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 3:16pmDude, the funny thing is, if you‘re really as poor as you say you’d profit from the system you’re bashing.
Report Post »Wayupnorth
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 3:46pmsmugs buddy, when they are talking about redistribution of wealth they are not talking about just the our country. they are talking about the whole world. you know china, india,africa. being poor here would be considered wealthy in alot of other places.
Report Post »Jeff f.
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 4:13pmPerhaps his self pride and self worth are more important to him then the handouts that would come his way.
Report Post »Stupid Windmill
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 5:49pmJohn Gault is a fool.
Report Post »Stupid Windmill
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 5:57pmBesides that, being poor here is still being poor here.
Report Post »Darl10372
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 6:13pmSmug, You are right some of us that have menial jobs may benefit from all the social programs that the progressives are pressuring us to adopt. However what is right is right. You work for what you need and want and you are rewarded in return. Tell me where anyone says it better to give a man a fish so he eats for a day or teach a man to fish so he eats for his lifetime. I prefer to learn to fish myself. Thanks for the offer. Keep in mind i have restuarant job where i make just above minimum wage. No health insurance. But my family struggles and makes it with what we earn not what my neighbor earns and gives to the government for them to decide who “really” needs it.
Report Post »smugsmiley
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 7:44pm@Darl10372
What if you or one of your family develops a serious illness costing tens of thousands of dollars to treat? What if you‘re let go from your job and can’t find another one? Most poor people are struggling way too much to survive to be able to learn how to fish. I say give them fish so they can stop treading water and have time to learn fishing.
Report Post »davecoolworld
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 9:18pmNo one in this country is really poor. In America, “poor” people still smoke, drink, drive cars, eat out, go to the movies, buy clothes, do drugs, buy jewelry, spend $100 on sneakers, buy sports jerseys, cool baseball hats, vacation all while on public assistance! Big screen TVs, leather furniture, Cadillac Escalades parked in front of the housing projects. I have been in line at the supermarket and seen people using food stamps to pay for many pounds of beef then paying the balance in hundred dollar bills.
Report Post »Real poor people do exist in this world but, not in America.
I have read about people complaining that the prices at McDonalds are hurting poor people. Poor people should be eating at home. If you are really concerned about spending money wisely, consider than a family of 4 can eat a meal for $6.00 if you have to.Eating at McDonalds should be a luxury…especially when it costs what it does to have a “meal” there.
C. Schwehr
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 10:54amSMUGSMILEY: We’ve already seen that if you give a person a fish…they merely wait for you to give them more fish. If you give ‘em a fishing pole and point to the water, they’ll sell the pole and wait for the next free fish. TELL ‘EM TO GET OFF THEIR DEAD ASS AND WORK, AND THEY WILL!
Report Post »STUPIDWINDMILLS: I guess you’ve proven just how ignorant you really are of reality. Line up for your free fish please…..
Whatsamatteru
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 2:50pmSince when is it the government’s job to provide a decent life for everyone??
Report Post »Daniel A. Roberts
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 2:50pmWhy am I not surprised? These people who keep going on about Redistrubution of Wealth needs to be redistrubuted out of power and into the unemployment line.
Report Post »Joseph
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 7:16pmWell let Obama and his chronies hand their money out, let homeless disabled Vets live in the white house. Then Obama and his buds can sleep at the Salvation Army, and eat school lunches. Then after a year they can talk….
Report Post »Freelancer
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 2:48pm“Redistribution of wealth both within and among nations is absolutely essential, if a decent life is to be provided for every human being.”
That says it all…. You will be PROVIDED with a decent living, not EARN a decent living. Socialist assh@les!
Report Post »Stupid Windmill
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 5:44pmTell that to the working poor.
Report Post »LKYPRL
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 11:00pmThe working poor need to keep working so they are no longer poor instead of standing around waiting for their handout.
Report Post »George1
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 3:17pmThey’ll be even poorer when a trillion+ dollars inflation hits.
Report Post »usualsuspect
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 2:47pmIf Holdren is so concerned about population overgrowth My suggestion would be that he Man up and lead by example hell he could even be a martyred for his cause what better way to act locally and dream globally, do the right thing Mr Holdren and check yourself out of this wicked world. Or were you just thinking that it should be others forced to check out
Report Post »JJMinor
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 3:00pmI agree. He needs to serve as an example and off himself. Very Logan’s Run.
Report Post »GOTT-EM-MAUSER
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 3:37pmYep, if a bunch of them would just do the right thing, we could use em for “FERTILIZER” and grow more food for all of Obama’s peeps.
Report Post »Mirimichi
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 4:19pmThat‘s the solution we’re looking for. Instead of being part of the problem, they should be part of the solution.
Report Post »Mirimichi
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 4:23pmInstead of being part of the problem, he should be part of the solution.
Report Post »DanB
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 5:28pmI think the problem is that he might know this is a lie somewhere in there.
Did you know that another theorist proposed that it might be possible to build a single, large building that could provide food for a small city as well as sewage treatment? Let me try and spell this out, it IS possible to have a specialized sky scraper built that could feed thousands. Is it cost effective? Probably not or a capitalist would probably be building a test version of it right now to work out the bugs of taking the theory to reality. Haven’t you ever seen the pictures of proposed floating cities? Practical? Probably not. Hazardous? Probably.
My whole point is that if you let free market, free thinkers think, you might find ways to do the supposedly impossible. Probably because there really is room for expansion still yet, both in population and science. Who would have thought that they could generate electricity using one of the “pollutants” from landfills? A free market, free thinker did. They exist. Not big electricity.
The problem? If your goal is CONTROL, then it is a lot easier to control a few people than an ever expanding population. Plus, the idea of population control is the easy way out. You don’t have to overcome the hate between ethnicity, religions, and political thought if you just reduce the numbers. If there were only a few million living on the entire earth it would practically impossible to gather together and resist conquest. We could easily be divided and conquered. Especially if we had been pushed into a green economy so electricity for communications was sporadic at best.
Report Post »Gigantopithecus
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 2:45pmJust take a look at the recent post of a welfare baby getting high and watching TV with her 2 year old. That’s where our freaking “redistributed” money is going to. **** these Pinko Commies. Time to cut off the welfare babies – our new policy is going to be “SINK OR SWIM”.
Report Post »Stupid Windmill
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 5:55pmBecause a gross generalization proves anything about anything.
Report Post »Anonimouse
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 2:45pmThis administration is packed with professional students and theorists who are using American citizens as lab rats for their “utopian” dreams.
They are nothing more than a bunch of immature nanny-types with high opinions of themselves. Can’t wait to show them all the door.
Report Post »Stupid Windmill
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 5:51pmWhat the hell are you talking about?
This has been done before.
Report Post »davecoolworld
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 9:04pmWindmill, you are correct, this has been done before and it has failed EVERY TIME.
Report Post »You really are stupid.
Weetsie
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 2:44pmAwwww, how kind of the Science, technology, whatever czar. I wanna be the b**ch czar and tell all the other czars to kiss my a**!
Report Post »Waiting4George
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 2:56pmSorry, Weetsie. That job is taken and I understand it’s hell.
Report Post »Weetsie
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 3:07pmDarn that Pelosi!!!!
Report Post »COjohngalt
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 3:08pmWAITING,
Report Post »lol, thanks….+100
LessIsBest
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 3:08pmOMG, I can‘t stop laughing at Waiting4George’s comment. Too beautiful to go un-ack’d!! BRAVO!
Report Post »lazzarij
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 2:44pmWTF??? I have a hard time deciding to buy more guns or gold.
Report Post »stephenb.net
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 3:08pmI’m buying golden guns
Report Post »GOTT-EM-MAUSER
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 3:34pmI’d vote for guns, I have been adding to my 401G account for many years now. Never lost a penny, and some of the gains have been impressive. Not to mention that once we get past all the wishful thinking about talking and voting changing things, the market for anything you can whack a Communist with will go ballistic.
Report Post »v.o.t.e.
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 3:41pmbuy gold — short stocks–
Report Post »I am 'We the People
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 4:18pmGuns and amunition hold their value just as well as gold, but guns are easier to defend your liberties with.
Report Post »Michigan Detective
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 4:48pmIn a complete and total economic collapse, what is more valuable? In other words, what are you going to be able to barter with? Gold will be useless if you are hungry and want some food from the local farmer. Bullets on the other hand… I can see trading ammo for food and other essentials such as perhaps mittens to keep those “danglins” warm since Al Gore has failed to keep us warm.
Report Post »flamedone1968
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 4:58pmLMAO what a choice… How about 1 year supply of food… the way this is going I think we’ll need it. Guns… you can only shoot one at a time with any accuracy so a primary and a backup should serve. Gold… well if no one has much to trade gold is worthless in that environment cigarettes historically and food are better barter tools.
Report Post »Stupid Windmill
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 5:50pmDo the Christian thing and share the wealth.
Report Post »Darl10372
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 6:15pmFlame, you have a good idea there to stock up on a years supply of food. However, what happens when things go really bad and there are people trying to take your food. Buy both protect yourself and you food supply.
Report Post »Darl10372
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 6:19pmFlame, You idea to stock up on food is a great one. However, think about this what happens when everything goes wrong and there are others trying to take you food? I say buy both!
Report Post »Joseph
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 6:31pmWell you can’t eat gold, and bullits would have a better trade value. But I would vote to stock up on food and water, then guns.
Also there has been a blowuot here that has been spuing polution too long, I think the hole has been named Danglinbags
Report Post »Bril
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 6:31pmStupid Windmill, I have no problems sharing with those in need, I just take offense when government comes in steals it from me and gives it to others, especially the labor unions. They really need my money.
To the others, grow your own garden and shoot anyone who gets near it!!
Report Post »flamedone1968
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 6:47pmthats why I said “a primary and a backup”(gun that is), well, and a reasonable supply of ammo… to much and you might have trouble making a move if you have to… fuel will likely be a problem so a hand cart is a simple build and makes it so one man can move 300 – 350lbs without to much trouble. Water is around 8lbs a gallon and pushing a cart you’ll be needing upwards of a gallon a day. Then, of course, the weight of your food and other supplies, ie… sleeping bag tent clothing valuables… it adds up fast.
Report Post »wingedwolf
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 7:02pmI’m just going to cling to the guns I already have, and my religion.
Report Post »Beckofile
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 7:44pmLooking for StupidWindmillsTherapist???? He is late for meds and a danglinbags session of high fives for making $10 hour typing the Center for American Destruction talking points.
Report Post »Beckofile
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 8:01pmIf you want to barter then I would choose silver or bullets. Reason, Gold will be way to high to be a good trade for a loaf of bread since an ounce will be worth an RV. Bullets a good small barter item. Cases of Vodka last very long. Don’t forget your 20 year shelf life food. It is hard to aim small/miss small when hungry.
Report Post »ron the veteran
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 9:37amim building extra toxic lead bullets to use on these so called revolutionarys. ive got a big brownie flavored salt lick to draw the potheads in. bring it on you little ********! come try and take anything from me. i got something for all of ya! a trip to hell.
Report Post »C. Schwehr
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 10:47amOnce you have a sufficient amount of weaponry to provide for those who may join you in a survival group, then make sure you have sufficient ammunition PLUS enough to barter with. Ammunition will become more valuable in a post-progressive collapsed economy as will preserved foods and other necessities. Gold/silver are good to have, but are NOT the only way to go….plus ammo is still not tracked by the government (as will be gold/silver in the near future). The experts suggest a minimum of 3000 rds per weapon.
Report Post »Juan Gault
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 2:43pm46 days hence,cannot come soon enough.
Report Post »EqualJustice
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 2:43pmTypical answer ..“if you read it and you have a PROBLEM, then you MISREAD IT.” You ignorant, uneducated, common man, you.. (in my best Glenn Beck impression with glasses down my nose and pipe in my mouth) :)
Report Post »wingedwolf
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 7:01pmEQUALJUSTICE thanks for the chuckle you just gave me!
Report Post »Beckofile
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 7:53pmEqualJustice….that is a great observation. I chuckle everytime he (Beck) points out the urban elitists treatment of us small people.
Report Post »Weetsie
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 2:42pmAdd your comments
Report Post »Danglinbags
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 3:08pmThis is a good one and you are wasting the bandwidth, but don‘t you think it’s unfair that the US ravages and steals all the resources from countries like Tonga and Peru and uses them for their own selfish greed, like to drill in the ocean and leave a broken well spewing for months?
Gigantopithecus
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 3:10pmDanglingbags, what have we told you about taking our medication…
Report Post »Weetsie
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 3:11pmI heard Mickey D’s is hiring Dangles
Report Post »Anonimouse
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 3:14pmNope.
Report Post »VanGrungy
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 3:15pm* John Holdren, another Ehrlich collaborator at Stanford, is now a Harvard-based energy specialist, and the president of the AAAS. Holdren has co-authored several articles and books with Paul Ehrlich, elaborating on their formula (I = PAT) that the impact of an increase in population and consumption (affluence), although modified by technology, is degrading the environment. Therefore, population growth should stop. Their underlying assumption, like Mead’s, was that technology cannot solve the problems created by “limitless” population growth. (Ehrlich’s view, in fact, is that the United States can sustain only 150 million people; there are now 302 million of us.)
In December 2006, Holdren shepherded a radical global warming resolution through the AAAS board of directors, which was announced at the organization’s annual meeting in February 2007, the first ever of such resolutions.[7] Its conclusions, the AAAS stated, “reflect the scientific consensus represented by, for example, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change….”
Holdren is one of a small group of anti-nuclear “nuclear experts” who push technological apartheid—the doctrine that poorer nations cannot be allowed to gain knowledge of nuclear science.
http://inthesenewtimes.com/2009/11/29/1975-endangered-atmosphere-conference-where-the-global-warming-hoax-was-born/
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Holdren is the continuation of Margaret Mead’s evil dreams…
Report Post »smugsmiley
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 3:23pmNice ad hominem, guys. But how about you answer the question Dangly asked?
Report Post »nordspan
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 3:25pmWhat I would like to know is how the US Gov’t has now justified the giving of billions of dollars to Mexico and Brazil this week for their countries to develop OFF SHORE DEEP DRILLING oil rigs. What? How is this possible with a president that is touting go-green. He then turns around to give the money for development to other countries that will benefit and who don’t like Americans.
Because Obama would much rather build the economies of countries that successfully supress their people (other than those individuals who manage to flee from their own countires into ours) than invest money into our economy. The enviroment…al movement from those in the political arena has nothing to do with the enviroment and everything to do with economics…taking from the haves and giving to the have nots. If Gore cared a bit about the enviroment, would he seriously maintain such material wealth? If anyone in Hollywood cared a bit about the economy, would they maintain such material wealth? If they really cared, they’d sell their mansions…or donate them to fighting “global warming”, and build 1000 square foot green houses out of straw bales and adobe.
Report Post »tobywil2
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 3:26pmIt is not the population growth that is the threat to our standard of living. It is the growth of the rules and regulations established by the “Fourth Branch of Government,” enforced on a “guilty until proven innocent” basic that is crippling our economy. These rules and regulations increase the cost of everything you buy and can delay or even eliminate new technology. Most, if not all of these restrictions are enacted to reward political cronies and punish political dissent. Perhaps, the most devastating effect of the Bureaucracy is its use to stifle innovation and eliminate the “technology dividend.” The “technology dividend” is the increase in the nation’s wealth and individual productivity due to innovation.
See “21st Century Common Sense” Chapter 8 for a case study of the Bureaucracy sabotaging one of our largest industries. http://commonsense21c.com/
Report Post »VanGrungy
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 3:27pmWho let the oil not get collected by ready and willing foreign skimmers?
dips–ts
Report Post »Anonimouse
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 3:34pm@smugsmiley:
I did answer Bags even though he never responds to my questions. Very generous of me, don’t you think?
Oh and didn’t we just spend billions in aid to Tonga?
Report Post »jocko
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 3:48pmDangledumdum… so what is your point?.. If they are too stupid to set up a good capitalist system to take advantage of it, too bad. We should just send them a copy of our Constitution and tell them to fix their government. They are paid for what we take and it is more than they would have had if it were left to their government. Point is, our system works, theirs doesn’t. Wah Wah.
Report Post »As for the well, well accidents happen. It could have been cleaned up way earlier but our environmental wackos have so many regs that nobody could function.
Alvin691
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 3:58pmHey bags, what do we “steal” from Tonga and Peru? What administration took months to get a well caped using it for politcal gain instead of keeping the citizens of the gulf protected. Who then gave money to a Soros-backed oil company to drill much deeper than the Deepwater Horizon was in? Obama.
Report Post »I am 'We the People
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 4:06pmI agree that we have done some environmental ravaging, but not in the way most think. While there have been some horrible oil spills as a result of drilling in deep water, they were in that deep water due to unfair and frankly, illegal regulations. Even when companies, most are non-us owned, drill or mine in other countries, the countries benifit greatly in monetary compensation. The problem is that most third world countries are so corrupt that the populace never recieves anything for the effort, the money in funneled out of the local economy or inflated away. Then we give finacial aid to those same countries at a cost to all of us here. So if you actually follow the money, we are paying for each gallon of fuel or each pound of ore for those countries, many, many times over. The ravaging is to our economic environment first and formost, then to the local ecosystems where accidents have and do happen; mostly because of the political policies in place for the last 30-50 years or more.
Report Post »e-merlin
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 4:08pmHey, Dangl. I don‘t see any proof that we’re not paying for resources. How do you think some of those underdeveloped countries would fare if we stopped buying stuff from them?
As far as the broken well, it would have been stopped a lot sooner if it wasn’t so deep. Who do we have to thank for that?
How about some real ideas insted of spewing retreads?
Report Post »ConscientiousThinker
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 4:20pmMr./Mrs. Bags,
I will address your question because I was intrigued by Mr. Holdrin’s answer. I heard, “we should let the free market eliminate practices that destroy the environment and bolster practices that increase prosperity.” With this in mind, I will address your question about oil first since I feel it is an excellent example of free market policing vs government regulation.
The free market system says that companies should be allowed to act and respond to customer demands without government interference. The people of the world demanded oil from the gulf and BP sought to supply it. Their attempts backfired. BP was faced with the lost of a large capitol investment, lost levels of production, lost customers due to public image, lost revenues due to the cost of clean up, and lost revenues due to the cost of reparations. The free market system says that if a company can’t recover from such losses than it deserves to fail and be shown as a warning to those that try similar business practices. If they can recover from such an incident, however, BP can write another chapter in the book “How Not to Refine Oil” and become a better company for it; a company that can keep such disasters from happening again.
In this incident, free market policing took over where government regulation failed. In government regulation, the government mandates what companies can do in order to stop bad things from happening. They missed something and bad stuff happened anyway, but instead of BP just having to pay for their own mistake, they also had to pay for the government’s inadequate regulations. Why pay for two systems when one always fails and we have to default to the other?
Now, the comment on Tonga confused me. I have attended several seminars that discussed Tongan problems, namely, that Tonga doesn’t have sufficient natural resources and relies too much on foreign imports. These seminars were about a group of American engineers who volunteered their time and energy to go to Tonga and teach them how to use the one resource they have in abundance (coconuts) to produce bio-diesel. If we freely give of our resources to help another country develop some of their own, how are we stealing their resources? Clearly this isn’t the entirety of our interactions with Tonga, so could you sight any specific examples of the USA stealing Tonga’s resources?
CT
Report Post »independentvoteril
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 7:21pmDanglinbags… I grew up poor while others had gas heat we had 1 oil stove to heat our house.. know how many times as a kid I got up to a COLD house because my parents turned off the heat to save money/? How many times we had little to eat? DON’T even try to make people who have worked to be able to have things like HEAT, FOOD etc.. by insulting their intelligence that THEY have ravaged the planet.. How about the billions we are giving MEXICO to drill in the OCEAN for oil? How about all the other countries who are doing the same..? Do you know there are 5,000 oil rigs in the gulf?? How many belong to the U.S. ?? So take your BS back over to huffington where you find the other whiners..
Report Post »Beckofile
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 7:35pmDangles….You throw out your opionion with no supporting documentation. Could you also maybe stretch the bags enough to think about what we as a people may have in return given back to the world? What about resources flowing to where they are most efficiently used and the results can be spread around the world as seen with what we have done thru modern medicine, freedoms and upward mobility for countless people everywhere? Yes we purchase, with our money resources and create stuff for people, even ones like you in moms basement.
Report Post »ECONTEACHER
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 7:59pmHoldren has co-authored several articles and books with Paul Ehrlich, elaborating on their formula (I = PAT) that the impact of an increase in population and consumption (affluence), although modified by technology, is degrading the environment. Therefore, population growth should stop. Their underlying assumption, like Mead’s, was that technology cannot solve the problems created by “limitless” population growth.
Isnt this very similar to Malthus – why cant the left ever have a new idea
Report Post »FREEDOMFOX
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 8:20pmObama is giving 1 billion dollars of our money to PEMEX the Mexican state oil company to develop
Report Post »off shore drilling. He and George Soros are investing lots of money in PEMEX. In the mean time he is
stopping us from drilling. He is also moving GM to Mexico. Which they are also investing in. He is selling our county out for his own personal gain. He needs to be impeached for treason!
helena
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 8:57pmYes
Report Post »helena
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 9:15pmI say he and his administration must be brought down before the damage cannot be undone. I can’t believe people still support this man and what he stands for. I would vote for any and every tea partier just to get rid of the scum that has no consideration for what the people want; jamming down our throats bills that the majority doesn’t want; card check; unions; reparation, etc. Nothing good can come from it.
Report Post »Why are people so blind?
PostProgressiveAmerican
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 9:19pmWell,
Last time I checked we provide lots of aid to countries for the ‘honor’ of using their resources…but we usually tie the aid to social programs and human rights, which makes our offers less attractive than those of other countries. The ones who are ‘raping’ the impoverished countries at the moment is China who provides aid with no strings (buying arms for genocide comes to mind).
Also, keep in mind that we don’t manufacture much anymore…we buy finished goods…we are a seervice and consumer based economy.
In the case of oil, the reason we were so deep in the Gulf Of Mexico is, you guessed it, Progressive policies and fascist environmentalists. Let us drill on land and near shore and cut the ties to foriegn countries. While we are at it, a few new massive hydroelectric dams and dozens of nuclear plants would help, too.
Regarding all the oil in the Gulf, Obama would not waive the Jones Act and dozens of foriegn ships bobbed around for months; the largest skimmer in the world sat in Norfolk waiting for EPA approval; the Federal Government (Republican and Democrat) never implemented their disaster plan; the Coast Guard would not let some ships go to sea becuase they needed more life vests; the list goes on.
Report Post »jjllvegas
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 10:14pmHey Dingleberry, Have you ever herd the saying “If you can’t beat them join them” Well you lost, so join us,we will turn the other cheek and educate you, show you how to earn a living, heck we’ll even pull your head out of you ass for you.
Report Post »OldVet
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 11:20am* John Holdren, another Ehrlich collaborator at Stanford, is now a Harvard-based energy specialist, and the president of the AAAS. Holdren has co-authored several articles and books with Paul Ehrlich, elaborating on their formula (I = PAT) that the impact of an increase in population and consumption (affluence), although modified by technology, is degrading the environment. Therefore, population growth should stop. Their underlying assumption, like Mead’s, was that technology cannot solve the problems created by “limitless” population growth. (Ehrlich’s view, in fact, is that the United States can sustain only 150 million people; there are now 302 million of us.)
Obamas cronies are teaching that population growth should stop. Population growth in the USA by birthrate is actually on the decline and has been for several years. This is also true in Europe and Japan. Our population growth is from Immigration, both legal and illegal, but Obama insists on opening our borders even wider.
Where is the correlation between what he is preaching and what he is doing?
The truth is that he is trying to collapse the economy and the government so that he can be KING.
Report Post »tosmarttobliberal
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 1:03pmHey toolbag, do you ever stop to think that those evil capitalist corporations are employing people all across the world that otherwise would have zero means of economic accomplishment. Man, you Commies baffle me. Did you ever stop to think that we may not be “robbing” these countries of resources if it werent for your Democrat Commie politicians who have created laws that deter OUR corporations from actually producing and manufacture goods and services in this country?
Report Post »The Spark
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 2:22pmIn response to Smugsmiley challenge, I will endeavor to challenge Danglinbags statement which was:
This is a good one and you are wasting the bandwidth, but don‘t you think it’s unfair that the US ravages and steals all the resources from countries like Tonga and Peru and uses them for their own selfish greed, like to drill in the ocean and leave a broken well spewing for months?
First of all, steals resources? Show me one instance where the Land seller over seas did not get the full monies worth of the land he agreed to sell it for. Show me one instance where worker over seas did not get paid what he agreed to be paid. Show me one instance where over sea land was ripped away from rightful owners and people where forced to work for their tyrannical Americans masters. Oh wait, you can’t. You see, under the capitalist system you hate just so much, if a person wants something that is owned by someone else, they have to pay for it and at the price the owner is willing to sell it for. It that doesn’t happen, then you’d be hard pressed on what to call such an system, because it ain’t capitalism for sure. Oh and your allusion to the BP spill, do you know why it took such a dang long time for it to be cleaned up? There was a dredger on the east coast that was capable of sucking in 600,000 gallons of oil from the water in a day, which exceeded all the work that had been done in two or three months which was about 500,000 gallons removed. It wasn’t used and do you know why? Environmental groups complained that it would do damage on its way to the gulf. Environmental Groups! The people you seem to associate yourself with held up the clean up. It seems to be all environmental groups ever do.
Report Post »magedogtag
Posted on September 18, 2010 at 2:14pm@ danglinbags – america purchases resources from companies around the world that obtain them from their own sources. deals are made between american companies and foreign companies. blame the foreign companies for ravaging their own land and selling the resources to whoever would buy them. oh, the oil leak in the gulf? BP – british (not american) petroleum. dolt.
Report Post »carlos slim
Posted on September 18, 2010 at 7:56pmHey….I love the crap I get from Tonga
Report Post »Compete or Lose
Posted on September 20, 2010 at 6:48pmDanglingbags-
No, I dont thing economic development is a bad thing, I dont think our current medical system is a bad thing–neither do premiers from Canada, nor do Sheiks from the middle east (many have donated enough money to Mayo Clininc to have whole floors named after them). I dont think development of powered flight is a bad thing. I dont think development of the automobile was a bad thing. I dont think development of the internet was a bad thing. I dont think develoment of GPS was a bad thing.
All of these developments raised the bar of competition and produced better and lower priced products that we and other nations benefitted from.
RGS
Report Post »pajamash
Posted on September 20, 2010 at 7:39pmHey dangle – how do you feel about the billion dollars your boy Barack is giving to South America to drill in same said gulf? Further out. In deeper water.
Report Post »doncarr61
Posted on September 20, 2010 at 8:24pmTo danglinbags;
Report Post »So we are now giving money to Mexico and Brazil to deep water drill in the same spot we prohibit US Companies from drilling. Sounds like real sanity here.
capitalideals
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 2:38pmObama has surrounded himself with Marxists, his parents and grandparents were Marxists, he sought them out in college, but he isn’t one himself……….interesting.
Report Post »CNK
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 2:59pmExcellent point.
Report Post »HIGHENERGY
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 3:23pmit IS extremely interesting that Obama and his peeps seem to ALWAYS want to “distribute” OUR wealth but NOT theirs! Someone explain that to me please WHY that IS A GOOD IDEA!
Report Post »Alvin691
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 3:51pmWhy not redistribute our technology and ideas and allow the third world to develop their own stuff? Be the shining city on the hill and be the example. These zero-sum fools drive me nuts.
Report Post »obgone
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 4:17pmlets not forget some of the other loons he has around him, Cass Sunstein and Ron Bloom to name a couple………………Most Americans dont have a clue because they dont get involved and research these people! We need change in November in a huge way or America is in serious trouble. Obama has acheived what he wants, in that he has divided America which will only help his ultimate goal, hell, we might have him running this country for years until he is overthrown
Report Post »SavvyCowboy
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 4:59pmRIGHT ON! RIGHT ON!
RENEGE November 2, 2010
RENEGE November 6, 2010
WE THE PEOPLE are taking OUR country back from Barrack Hussein O’Marxist!!!!!!
Report Post »Beckofile
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 5:25pmHave these folks ever thought of redistribution of a good work ethic may work better then redistribution of wealth???
Report Post »Stupid Windmill
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 5:52pm“Why not redistribute our technology and ideas and allow the third world to develop their own stuff? Be the shining city on the hill and be the example. These zero-sum fools drive me nuts.”
Kind of hard to be the shining city on the hill if the shining city on the hill already exists.
Report Post »79USMC83
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 7:01pmI thought the standard of life has been going up. We live longer, are better feed and many things make our lives easier. Also ENVY is one of the seven deadly sins. Also are air, water and things in general are cleaner now than in any other time in moderan history. Yes population is a problem because we have also made medical progress and wiped out many diseases. Low Consumpation economy, not sure if I understand that. In small towns across Ga. out side the “Government Stupid” housing the residents have better cars than many I know. Just what are we suppose to Lower Consumption on. Most of the so-called middle-class, live just like the lower class from pay check to pay check for thre things, FOOD,SHELTER and CLOTHING. Maybe it should be against the law if you live in the “Government Stupid housing you cannot own any shows over $60.00
Report Post »Beckofile
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 8:07pmDangles….Go up stairs because O’Reily is on and your mom would like you to turn the laptop off for a while.
Report Post »Jack27
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 9:57pmVery good point, and Obama not being a Marxist is believable.
64wildcat
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 10:36pmTo HighEnergy. “it IS extremely interesting that Obama and his peeps seem to ALWAYS want to “distribute” OUR wealth but NOT theirs! Someone explain that to me please WHY that IS A GOOD IDEA!”
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prelude
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 1:21amAs far as the free laptops or pcs for that matter, I dont know where you all live but Ive been seeing commercials lateley saying that if you receive food stamps,housing or other gov assistance you may qualify for a free cell phone…Im so damn sick of the gov giving everybody and their brother free everything someone has to pay for it and its us Im beyond tired of it its socialism taken to a whole nother level
Report Post »ron the veteran
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 9:24amyeah i know a girl who just wont hear it that hes a marxist. she just wont belive hes anything but some kind of savior. i think she was programed because she just hasnt been the same since she saw him live. hitler was good at programing masses too.
Report Post »ron the veteran
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 9:31amwe got to demand these criminals go to jail. treason is a hangable offence in this country.
Report Post »Rillobymorning
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 3:49pmObama is a Marxist and a Muslim and no one will ever convince me otherwise!
Report Post »cinders1313
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 4:56pmIf these pathetic people like communist, socialist, marxist lifestyles what the HELL are they still doing living here????? If they like these principals whay dont they go live in North Korea or Cuba? I bet those countries would be glad to have them! If they dont like it here than Leave!
Report Post »wciappetta
Posted on September 18, 2010 at 7:57amBy far the scariest administration in my lifetime …..
Report Post »ron the veteran
Posted on September 21, 2010 at 8:44ami hope your all ready to put these traitors in prison for life. we need to rise up and remove him ourselves since our government dont think it works for us any longer. they now think we work for their pleasure. get a rope and find a tree!
Report Post »Gus McCray
Posted on September 21, 2010 at 10:23amYou can cry marxist all you want.these people are straight up New World Order euginist they would have no problem pushing millions of dead people into mass graves. Time to wake up people…
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