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What Does This New Study Reveal About Those Packing Heat?

Study: Holding a Gun Gives You a Bias to Think Others Are Packing Packing Heat Too

Could carrying a gun be messing with your mind? A new study from the University of Notre Dame found that if you’re holding a gun, you are more likely to think others are packing heat as well.

According to the release, the study was led by Notre Dame’s Associate Professor of Psychology James Brockmole, a specialist in human cognition and how the visual world guides behavior, with a colleague from Purdue University. The research team conducted five experiments where participants, who either held a toy gun or a neutral object, viewed images of people on a computer screen and were asked to determine if they were holding a gun or another object, such as soda bottle or cellphone:

The researchers varied the situation in each experiment — such as having the people in the images sometimes wear ski masks, changing the race of the person in the image or changing the reaction subjects were to have when they perceived the person in the image to hold a gun. Regardless of the situation the observers found themselves in, the study showed that responding with a gun biased observers to report “gun present” more than did responding with a ball. Thus, by virtue of affording the subject the opportunity to use a gun, he or she was more likely to classify objects in a scene as a gun and, as a result, to engage in threat-induced behavior, such as raising a firearm to shoot.

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The researchers showed that the ability to act is a key factor in the effects by showing that simply letting observers see a nearby gun did not influence their behavior; holding and using the gun was important.

Brockmole said that this study shows that “people have a hard time separating their thoughts about what they perceive and their thoughts about how they can or should act.” Brockmole said in addition to “theoretical implications for event perception and object identification,” this research could also be considered for law enforcement and public safety implications. The infamous shooting of Amadou Diallo by plain clothes New York City police officers in 1999 comes to mind as an example. Diallo was unarmed and when approached by police at his doorstep who asked him to show his hands. Diallo reached into his pocket with his wallet in hand. In the low morning light, police identified this object as a gun and shot Diallo 19 times.

Images via Shutterstock. 

[H/T Gizmodo]

 

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  • Legion5
    Posted on March 20, 2012 at 6:48pm

    Psychology is a crack pot science in my opinion these so called psychologist can’t and refuse to set a true standard in their research. I ask how many of the subjects in the study were familiar with guns, did any of them shoot on a regular basis and did any of them have advanced training with weapons? I am sure the answer is no because that would have invalidated their hypothesis. Further study would also show that the more training someone has with a weapon and how they evaluate a situation would also affect their reactions for example lighting, and knowing what to look at i.e. face and hands. People who want to do you harm will show it in their eyes and their hands will give them away, so the only other issue would be how clearly you can see the persons eyes and hands.

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    • rangerp
      Posted on March 20, 2012 at 10:21pm

      Legion5

      Hey dude, go easy with all the logic, common sense, and smart guy talk. What are you, a scientist or something.

      Actually good comments, What a stupid study. If they want to study the mentality of folks that carry a gun, why not get folks that have Conceal Carry Permit, and study them. I guess that makes to much sense. While getting my masters in education from the University of Georgia, I had to take a research methods course from a Doctor Ted Baumgardner. I do not remember much of it, but I remember enought to know that this study is a bunch of bunk. Heck, if you want to study folks that carry a firearm all the time, study cops.

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    • Icnivad
      Posted on March 20, 2012 at 10:37pm

      Yoo aaaaarrrr hurtingz me brrraaaynz. Owchy smartz tawlk. Just kiddin’. :D

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    • Wilddog607
      Posted on March 20, 2012 at 11:00pm

      Why this is so difficult for people to understand is beyond comprehension. A very old quote from a very enlightened individual says it all. “ Free societies exist where free men are armed”.. Plato
      Besides that, its a basic understanding that an armed society is a polite society

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    • Bowlz
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 1:22am

      If you are of the mind to carry, then you should think others are carrying. It’s the whole defense awareness mentality. No Sh-t carriers think others have guns. That’s why we carry them: To give ourselves a great advantage over preditiors, or at least an equal advantage.

      Am I missing something here?

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    • Land_of_the_Living
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 4:38am

      I always thought if someone is packing a gun and thought everyone else is packing a gun they were less likely to shoot, with the exception that that other persons appears violent and your life feels threatened. I know if I was packing and I assumed most others around me were, I would avoid confrontation even more.

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    • Walter P
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 5:32am

      RangerP,
      They won‘t study people with Concealed Carry permits because they won’t get the result they wanted. Come on with the past training you have you know the proper way to do the study is:
      1. Decide on result wanted
      2. Set up study to give result wanted
      3. Desiminate the result widely, based on the “tell a lie long enough and it becomes the truth” theory

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    • cemerius
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 7:51am

      @WalterP Sounds exactly like what they did to “prove” Global Climate Change vs Cow farts! :)

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    • B_rad
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 7:52am

      There is no doubt that psychology is a soft science, and one that is chock full of progressive-think liberals, at that. They will undoubtedly use this “study” in the future for every new gun control law they try to throw at us. Most telling to me, is how many people are already so indoctrinated against guns. How anyone can have the mindset that limiting and preventing the good guys from having guns will somehow make people safer, is utterly beyond me. A far more effective strategy to reduce crime would be to mandate that everyone be trained and carry a gun. Criminals are cowards, if they knew every potential victim was armed, they would quickly seek another profession. Of course, in a free society, I don‘t get to tell others they MUST carry a gun any more than they get to tell me I can’t.

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    • PaxInVeritate
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 8:36am

      Erick Holder… We must brainwash people to hate guns.
      They are just following his directives.

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    • robert
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 9:22am

      Legion5
      Posted on March 20, 2012 at 6:48pm
      “Psychology is a crack pot science in my opinion these so called psychologist can’t and refuse to set a true standard in their research.”

      You hit the nail right on the head with that statement. Absolutely true. While the field of psychology includes some very competent people whose expertise is indeed greatly needed, there have been too many flakes, oddballs and misfits who have inundated the field in the last many years.

      It’s a fact that many kooks became psychologists in an attempt to cure themselves of one kind of mental abberation or another. It is also common knowledge that homosexuals completely deluged the field for the purpose of distortorting facts about homosexuality in an attempt to gain acceptance into mainstream society. One of the results of that is the psy-ops undertaken to demonize everybody who will not accept the standard spin, such as calling people haters or homophobes for, as they say, “simply because they have a different sexual ”orientation.” That a large number of gullible people have fallen prey to the propaganda reveals how effective the ploy has been.

      Another thing…… regarding these university “studies” by liberal academia……. is that it’s a known fact that these people DO NOT start out a study with the intent to find the truth except in a small number of cases. They create absurd biased studies to support a particular point of view.

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    • sWampy
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 9:38am

      This is just another step. The NRA better watch it’s push for concealed carry, the left is going to use studies like these, and incidents where kids crawling around under pews in church find loaded hand guns in ladies purses and shoot each other. Bottom line is if you aren’t carrying a grand or more in cash, you have very little reason to be carrying a concealed weapon, unless you are in an area you shouldn’t be.

       
    • ovrwlmd
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 9:43am

      BOWLZ —— You are missing something. You’re missing the tax dollars to help pay for these type of studies.

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    • cristo52
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 9:52am

      Bingo

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    • 666Sucks
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 10:00am

      This study is exactly why I came up with my original quote: “If you lock a MENSA child in a room with comic books for its first 25 years, you get an intelligent idiot!” Funny how that study comes out within days of that crackpot in Florida who shot the young kid with the skittles. It just staggers my mind how organized this coup d etat is, it’s like a game of dare between Satan & man. The Quran burning in Afghan. was a dare intended to spark evil AKA islam into a frenzy, & erupt into final Armageddon, but man holds back, then evil’s next move is the soldier who does the Afghan massacre, still no Armageddon, then the Skittles kid, evil keeps pushing and pushing! Now the hate groups are threatening to jump in with retribution. For those of us who are paying attention to Proffessor Beck, it’s like having studied a play for years, learning why certain acts were written, who and what the characters were all about, and then finally going to watch the play! As terrifying as Armageddon is, thanks to Beck, it’s fascinating to watch it as it unfolds before us!

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    • Michael61
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 10:29am

      Can somebody please sue New York for breaking the Second Amendment?

      Some AG please, from KY or AZ or TX or some other sane state, please sue the New York city? Maybe the Supreme Court can take the case?

      I have to live here. I am a law-obiding citizen, a homeowner, and a marksman. Used to teach police how to shoot handguns, but I can not get the concealed carry permit in NYC, no way no how.

      Please somebody help!!!

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    • Ruler4You
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 10:32am

      You did a fine job here LEGION5. The ‘average’ engagement for Law Enforcement is something around 10 feet or so. Making those observations fairly easy. But law enforcement also has the ‘obligation’ to escalate use of force above that being applied against them. Citizens DO NOT. So CCW holders would do well to understand the legal ramifications as they apply to them and, as you state clearly.. practice, practice, practice. Failure here could be the last thing you ever fail at.

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    • YouAreMistakenSir
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 11:22am

      So… You assume that their methodology is flawed out of hand? I mean psychology is a pretty soft science but to dismiss any findings right off is pretty… stupid. You don’t have any studies that counter their findings. You don’t actually have their report so naturally you assume they did everything wrong. You have literally no evidence other than personal experience with firearms. Bring me a peer reviewed study then I‘ll say you’re right. If that’s unpalatable, well maybe you can find a place on the internet where you can find an audience who will agree with you without much requirement for evidence.

      Your opinion and anecdotes do not counter scientific finding. If you wish to prove the other guy wrong, find flaws in his arguments. Do not make them up. It is nothing more than self indulgent crap.

      … Sorry. That was harsh. But my point stands. Simply assuming the argument is wrong before learning anything about isn‘t going to convince anyone who doesn’t already agree. Please, be smarter in making your arguments.

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    • colt6920
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 11:26am

      Legion 5 you are dead right. We had a local news guy come by our range to do a story a few years back and they let him run a course in the shoot house. Dude shot everything that came at him (real gun = real stress). He left with a whole new respect for Law Enforcement and the tough decisions they make every day. I guarantee that study was filled with people who had absolutely no gun training. My guess is that they treated the whole thing like a game, knowing they had nothing to lose. Mistakes do happen, but they are the exception.

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    • Bible Quotin' Science Fearin' Conservative American
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 12:04pm

      Well they don’t need to do a study to find out that people who own guns are convinced that someone is trying to take their guns.

      Loons.

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 12:21pm

      WTH?

      If this were true, CHL holders and open carriers across the nation would be in endless gunfights, since according to the article we’d think everybody had a gun and whip ours out too. Last check, we’re statistically considered the most law abiding citizens, as a group, that you’ll ever find, and most of us go our whole lives without clearing leather in a self defense situation.

      Simple statistics from reality-land don’t bear out this study. Seems to me the researchers had an opinion they wished to butress with metrics before they went into the study.

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    • Evantoo
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 1:17pm

      You got that right. All right thinking Americans SHOULD think that their fellow citizens are “packing” since they have every right to do so. Only those fools and idiots who either don’t know their Constitutional rights or choose to disregard them, and the other fools and idiots (calling themselves psychologists- or behavioral experts), think otherwise.
      The real question is whether they feel threatened by the thought. I submit only the fools and idiots- identified above- do.

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    • its_time_to_arrest_our_government
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 1:23pm

      its time that we throw bums out of office that spout this anti gun crap. they want our guns so they can control us. they can have my bullets first. one at a time and well places face shots. only commies want to take your guns are you going to listen to a commie?

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    • My Two Cents
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 2:44pm

      While I am no expert on human cognition something tells me that if the stuff hit the fan Professor Brockmole would look for the nearsest CHL holder to hide behind.

      With regard to the Diallo shooting , common sense would dictate that if a cop tells you to show your hands you do just that instead of reaching into your pocket and pulling something out.

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    • WeekendAtBernankes
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 2:47pm

      “People who are safer feel safer.” Groundbreaking research.

      Here’s Tom with the weather.

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    • shootinugli
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 3:17pm

      Psych isn’t a crack-pot science and has helped many people. For my wife it’s a profession. For John Cleese it’s a hobby. However, like all science, crack-pots use pathological science (a.k.a. junk science) to try and prove anything in their agenda. Typically it won’t hold up to peer review or critical thought for that matter. Please don’t take the whole community down with one likely b******t study.

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    • GUNNSUP
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 3:18pm

      Just bought a new inside the pants holster today…..comfy very comfy. I’ll never give up my weapons, at least while I’m still vertical…They ever come around here expecting me to give it up, they’d best think again!

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    • @leftfighter
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 3:36pm

      The one thing I learned in college… science (particularly behavioral sciences) are simply a scientific way to explain and perpetuate stereotypes without being called a racist/sexist/bigot/homophobe.

      Example: In my Sociology class, the professor argued that the stereotype about African Americans eating chicken & watermelons was borne out of the statistically verifiable fact that a plurality of blacks grow up in socioeconomically impoverished environments. That said, chicken and watermelon are much cheaper to produce (therefore, affordable at the lower end of the economic scale) because the life and planting cycles make them more likely to be plentiful with a minimum of effort.

      You see what happened there? He took a racist stereotype, applied facts and figures and made an argument that it is accurate because… (blank). This is what you get out of the post-Woodrow Wilson Leftist-dominated education system.

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    • robing2012
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 4:41pm

      Psychology is a faux science and the academics who practice it already have a communist agenda and a no gun bias. There is no objectivity in science anymore. The religion of science has been purchased by those who dole out the money. Fake global warming research is the tip of that corrupt iceberg. All academia has a communist playbook and anything coming from the fake science of psychology is going to find what the communist patrons want: no guns. Academics believe they are the ruling class and are working for American peasants to accept their third world status in the glorious global order. They won’t stand for an armed America any longer. Prevarication is all they do and what they do best.

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    • teamarcheson
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 4:58pm

      It only clouds your mind if your at the receiving end of the bullet. This is just one more attempt by the Democrat-Commie Party to brain wash Americans into fearing guns.

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    • Bum thrower
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 5:05pm

      My dad said, when I was a young boy, and before conceiled carry; “Son, you’d be a damn sight more civil it you thot the guy you were talking to was packing a .45 under his coat’.

      True!!

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    • ladybuglw
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 5:26pm

      http://www.petition2congress.c... Go to this website and sign the petition to vet obama for eligibility to be president. He was never vetted by the lame stream media in 08 and he has to be now. If you voted for him before, his record should keep you from voting for him again.

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    • encinom
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 6:03pm

      Its clear from the recent Florida case that Gun owners are imblalanced and should have psych exaims before being given any form of a permit.

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    • robert
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 6:47pm

      YouAreMistakenSir
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 11:22am
      “So… You assume that their methodology is flawed out of hand?”

      Yes by virtue of being able to reason in coherent terms and having a pretty sound basis of information regarding psychology, but the most important data that depicts these people as frauds is the numerous studies they conduct every year that are so obviously based in biases and manipulated figures it isn’t even necessary to waste time delineating points of contention about it all, because it is so obvious to anyone with at least half a brain.

      For example, they conducted a study which revealed that poor whites and Asians performed better academically and had higher I.Q.’s than wealthy blacks, and they were scratching their heads in stunned wonder as to how that could be. Why? Because their rabid liberal biases refuse to allow them to recognize the difference in intelligence between various groups because they chidishly prefer to believe that we are all the same, when we are not.

      But, have no fear. They’ll get their heads tgether and come up with a pack of lies justifying their original biases and explaining away the facts as they are represented in the real world.

      And how dare you allude to a lack of intelligence for anyone with opposing opinions when you and the rest of the kooky left are living in LALA land and can’t understand factual data if your lives depended on it.

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    • RepubliCorp
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 6:59pm

      sounds like a good start would be take the guns away from cops

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    • oneshiner
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 7:06pm

      What a bunch of idiocy! What kind of people do they hire to do these stupid studies?????
      How many times over the years did we read a new study that said, stop eating eggs, stop drinking coffee, stop this and stop that…………after a few years, they’ve discovered eggs are good for you, bla, bla bla. It’s been that way with everything. Drink wine, don’t drink wine, etc. etc. Don’t take aspirin, and today it’s take aspirin for cancer.

      These so called experts are being paid well for their conclusion which is usually wrong. A gun makes me feel safe, without one makes me feel scared.end of story!. rest of the stuff is garbage.

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    • Pigpen
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 7:26pm

      You know, SEX used to be BAD. The majority of people used to feel that SEX was inherently EVIL. Now we KNOW that SEX is NECCESARY for a man or woman to be healthy and well adjusted.

      HMMMM

      You know now that life is so SAFE, everyone is on ANTI-DEPRESSANTS. It almost seems as if NOT having intense periods of violence resulting in an adrenaline rush is UNHEALTHY. Now in a world without VIOLENCE, we have people on anti-depressants and hooked on EXTREME SPORTS. Wouldn’t if follow that if the once EVIL practice of sexual intercourse is now HEALTHY, couldn’t we expect VIOLENCE to be equally as neccesary to overal physical and emotional health?

      HMMMMMM!?!

      I doubt that the JERKWAD COWARDS in charge who live insulated lives in the corridors of power will ever wink and nod their heads in silence if their useless children tried to start a CONFLICT REVOLUTION in the same vein as the filthy hippies’ SEXUAL REVOLUTION…

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    • The-Monk
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 7:30pm

      When I was a teenager, carrying a weapon always made me feel responsible and alert. Now that I am a weapon, I always feel responsible and alert. I guess they didn’t have any Monks in their study.

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    • Pelling1020
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 7:40pm

      This study just reinforces to dissuade states to pass the “Castle Doctrine”.

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    • FreedomPurveyor
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 7:51pm

      “Thus, by virtue of affording the subject the opportunity to use a gun, he or she was more likely … to engage in threat-induced behavior, such as raising a firearm to shoot.”

      So, from what I gather, the conclusion of this study is that a person holding a gun is more likely to use a gun than a person holding a ball.

      …?

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    • The-Monk
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 8:13pm

      @FreedomPurveyor
      I’d like to see that same study but using Union thugs carrying baseball bats….

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    • SLAPTHELEFT
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 8:51pm

      Great study. It’s enlightening in the idiot egghead type of way.

      Do I think other people are carrying? Well I certainly hope so. We do have a second amendment for a reason. To fail to exercise your right to be armed for self defense, legally, equals the apathy of the 65% of registered Republicans in my county, who thought it too much of an inconvenience to vote in the primary.

      This is still America!? Failure to legally exercise your God given rights ****** on the blood of our fallen forefathers.

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    • jzs
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 11:03pm

      GhostOfJefferson says, “Last check, we’re statistically considered the most law abiding citizens, as a group, that you’ll ever find…” Ghost, would you mind going to that source of statistical information and provide it here? Last I checked the US has one the highest rates of gun violence and murder in the world, falling only behind third world countries like Somalia.

      GhostOfJefferson, where exactly were you getting your information during “last check” about the US being “statistically considered the most law abiding citizens.” Seriously man, what are you talking about? Don’t tell me you just made that up out of thin air! What’s your source?

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    • gordoblues
      Posted on March 22, 2012 at 8:53am

      I am a research scientist and have over 20 years of research experience. This study is what is commonly called “junk science”. Its original intent was to determine if people with conceal carry permits would be more likely to think someone else is carrying a gun. There appears to be no background information collected on the participants of the study. Did any of them have conceal carry permits? Did any of the participants have a pro or anti-gun bias? Had any of the participants have any form of firearms training? None of these points are addressed in this article and were likely not address in the study. This sort of research needs to be ignored and not given the press they so desperately want. This study, in my opinion, is very good example of “junk science”.

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    • centenium
      Posted on March 22, 2012 at 9:37am

      Here is an unbiased study. We want you to look at photos and tell us if the person in the photo has a gun or not….would that imply that during the testing there would be guns? Wouldn’t you try to be on the alert for them. Wouldn’t a more realistic approach be to tell the participants. Here is a group of photos. What is each person holding? By the way. Hold put this pistol in your pocket while we ask the questions.

      I’ve been through training and know suspect behavior when I see it and that is what you should be looking for. Hand in a waistband, anger, personal space violations, etc.

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    • old white guy
      Posted on March 22, 2012 at 11:56am

      legion5, the guy is probably another liberal socilaist and likes to have the outcome match his own thoughts. if i carried i sure as hell would not think or worry about someone else carrying.

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    • jeanmchambers
      Posted on March 22, 2012 at 12:13pm

      This must be an Eric Holder study, being used to ‘brainwash’ Americans not to carry a weapon for self defense. After all, the police are there to protect you. Right?

      Do all the stupid studies you want and manipulate the results to reflect the answer you want, statistics show that the people who carry a firearm legally, do so responsibly, and very few are involved in incidents where they did not act appropriately.

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    • ChillyinAlaska
      Posted on March 22, 2012 at 8:34pm

      I’m so sick of the phony “studies” by liberals, always showing conservatives or whatever agenda the liberal oppose in a bad light. How about a real study that will show liberals are mentally deranged, having a superiority complex that makes them think they are smarter and superior to those who actually have IQ’s 30 or 40 points higher.

      Many studies have shown that those that have concealed carry permits are among the most responsible and best temperaments of all Americans. Liberals tend to measure others by their own yardstick, and by that stick deem them unstable to have concealed carry. I agree with this, LIBERALS are mentally deranged and should not be allowed concealed carry. It’s the LIBERALS we have the problems with, like the shooter recently in Arizona that shot congresswoman Giffords. A liberal, and of course, deranged.

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  • TexasIndependant
    Posted on March 20, 2012 at 6:47pm

    Yep just another reason to ban guns, hey maybe we need to ban knives too… and baseball bats… tree limbs, rocks.. in fact the true reason people get assaulted is because of human beings, should we ban people too?. What Kind of Idiot and I mean Idiot even has a brain that thinks this way! This world is filled with Educated Idiots who are predominantly from the entitlement class. No concept of reality. Packing Heat does far less Harm than Packing Stupidity and encouraging people to become Morons.

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    • TH30PH1LUS
      Posted on March 20, 2012 at 6:53pm

      Quick! Get this study to Eric Holder so he can brainwash Americans with it.

      But whatever you do, don’t show people studies that prove crime rates drop wherever the 2nd Ammendment is upheld.

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    • GroundZero is Nuclear Demolition x3
      Posted on March 20, 2012 at 7:05pm

      People who carry guns know the trouble they can face if they don’t heed caution.
      What else can anyone expect from a state with heavy gun restrictions?!?

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    • TomFerrari
      Posted on March 20, 2012 at 7:11pm

      Double blind study?
      We’re the people holding the gun accustomed to holding guns? Or, were they, ahem, “gun shy”???
      “God created all men equal. Samuel Colt made them more equal.”

      If the study is accurate, which I doubt, I don’t want to be the one holding the skittles while somebody else has the gun. I want the ability /option to defend myself when I see someone draw on me.

      A wise man assumes EVERYONE is armed. This leads us to treat others more fairly and equally.
      The great equalizer.

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    • db321
      Posted on March 20, 2012 at 7:14pm

      Add this to your Study – Americans are P#ssed and we are not going to take it any longer. There may come a day when the Government will ask Gun Owners to turn in our Guns – Do Not Do It! Many will because they believe that Obama, Holder, Sharpton, Van Jones and Soros have our best interest at heart. I call Buss ****!

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    • SgtB
      Posted on March 20, 2012 at 7:17pm

      I agree. During my 5 years in the service, I continually heard one mind any weapon. Sure, they taught me how to use a rifle, pistol, machine gun, rocket launcher, grenade, etc. But they also taught me to think of every object as a weapon in a time of life or death. Even an innocuous object like a set of keys or a flashlight can become an extremely effective weapon when wielded with some forethought. Even just something to hold in your fist can give you an advantage. Guns are not the problem. And while I’m at it, I might as well state that the second amendment to the United States Constitution does not once mention firearms. It states “arms”. That is ANY weapon. There is no reason to justify the existence of the ATF. Alcohol is the product of a natural process that has helped mankind preserve food for literally thousands of years and tobacco is a plant. Lastly, firearms and explosives are arms and tools. The right to own arms shall not be infringed. Yet the ATF are infringing on our rights daily. I am about ready for a revolution, but not an occupy protestor, crap on the street kind of revolution. I mean a bring back liberty, end tyranny, and end feminazi/environmentalist anti-male war kind of revolution.

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    • hidden_lion
      Posted on March 20, 2012 at 7:29pm

      Everybody should consider everyone else armed. Hard hard is that to figure out? They should have tested if training with firearms (or any self-defense) affected the perception.

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    • lukerw
      Posted on March 20, 2012 at 8:00pm

      Oh, yah… Tools cause Paranoia!

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    • ProbIemSoIver
      Posted on March 20, 2012 at 8:10pm

      This is not debatable.

      My RIGHT to BEAR ARMS is NOT to be INFRINGED !!!!

      My Constitutional Rights are also UNALIENABLE !!!!

      I have to explain what these terms mean, to an “educated” person ???

      Anyone who dosen’t understand those terms has an I.Q. of less than 50. Bottom Line !!!!

      You can NOT have rational discourse with such a baffoon !!!!

      As soon as you have to resort to explaining to someone that citizens carrying guns deters crime and tyranny, you should have also realized at that point, that the person that you are talking to has the mental capacity of a 4-year old.

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    • seenandheard
      Posted on March 20, 2012 at 8:16pm

      Amen brother! Don’t forget carving knives, electric knives, steak knives, and forks they’re sharp also. Hands, hands can be used to kill also, so let’s ban hands.

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    • claymoremacm
      Posted on March 20, 2012 at 8:52pm

      If guns kill people, do pencils misspell words, having a college Professor conduct a study on Guns is laughable,Let the experts conduct the study..NRA

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    • n4itcarl
      Posted on March 20, 2012 at 9:22pm

      Carrying a concealed weapon is smart. Check out the story NO FEAR on Buckeyefirearms.com.
      16,000 murders a year, 43 a day. Hear what a former Cleveland police detective has to say and watch a great video. He’s written a book, “No Fear”.

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    • midcoastmainepatriot
      Posted on March 20, 2012 at 10:02pm

      Texasindependant……Very well stated

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    • Gracchi
      Posted on March 20, 2012 at 11:40pm

      Psychology is a 50 cent science with a lot of 5 dollar words. You can always identify non science by the size and quantity of their terms. It takes more sense to identify “bovine feces” than practice psychology or teach constitutional law at university of chicago.

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    • NE1
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 12:46am

      TexasIndependent your comments remind me of the funny line Archie Bunker gave to Sally Struthers (who played the liberal gun control advocate) when she quoted how many people are killed by handguns:
      “Would it make you feel any better little girl if they was pushed out a windows?” LOL

      http://youtu.be/GzFWRPiNXOI

      The fact is I am armed at all times while outside of my home and I KNOW that just about ANYTHING can be a weapon. The FBI releases photos of things people have converted to guns including, cell phone guns, knife guns, lipstick case gun, pen gun and many more. ALL are operating pistols that shoot real bullets. Also, just a few weeks ago a police officer was murdered by a man he arrested when he went to take off the handcuffs at the jail. The suspect was hiding a blade and when the officer released his wrists the suspect stabbed him in the neck.

      http://www.odmp.org/officer/21149-police-officer-steven-green

      You can never be too careful!

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    • whywonder
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 8:03am

      I’m a liberal and also carry a gun……obama has not interfered with our gun rights. Contrary to all the crazies drivin up the price of ammo.

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    • claymoremacm
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 9:21am

      WonderWhy
      wait to see what happens if obummer gets reelected,Barry is “working under the radar” ie ‘fast and furious’ look at his Past quotes priop to being elected,if he is reelected HE WILL TRY A GUN GRAB,then it hits the fan!!!! Oath keeper

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    • Smokey_Bojangles
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 1:48pm

      And just what do you think Fast and Furious was? A Liberal/Communist attempt to justify banning guns.Then there is the Buddy Buddy talk with the UN on Disarming Americans. reinstate and expand the federal Assault Weapons Ban
      repeal the Tiahrt Amendment and allow anti-gun activists to sue gun dealers and manufacturers out of existence
      mandate criminal background checks for ALL firearm transfers, including private transactions
      force gun manufacturers to include unproven and astronomically expensive “child-safe” features on newly-manufactured firearms

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    • Bluebonnet
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 8:01pm

      SEENANDHEARD: You’re right about things that can be used as a weapon. I kinda like a very sharp, hard pencil handy. When I have to be home alone, nothing is as secure to me as a gun by my side, ready to reach out and holler stop, and if I have to, I’d shoot without a thought. I’ve warned my family, never, never creep in my house unless you want to get shot. Always call first & ring doorbell. Anyone else is an intruder. These studies are stupid and always wrong.

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    • Bluebonnet
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 8:06pm

      As you’ve noticed, in all the countries where guns are banned, or they can’t afford one, rocks and stones seem to be the weapon of choice. It can be anything to defend yourself, guns just happen to be a weapon chosen for convenience. A bit tough to carry a bow & arrow or spear. Do like to keep my knives sharp tho.

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  • blackyb
    Posted on March 20, 2012 at 6:45pm

    Packing heat is troublesome, but a necessity in some places. Eric Holder should be fired. He is useless except for his trampling on the rights of American People in favor of the Obamas’ agendas. They should all be fired.

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    • hidden_lion
      Posted on March 20, 2012 at 7:33pm

      packing heat is a civic duty. All citizens of able mind and body should be carrying. We would not need armies of police officers if the people carried like responsible citizens. In the old days you just had a sheriff. If the problem was bigger than him, he could deputize as needed.

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    • Gladius_Doctorae
      Posted on March 20, 2012 at 9:16pm

      Bull hockey. Seems to me that this is proof everyone should carry, then everyone wouldn’t do anything stupid because everyone believes everybody is packing. Dumb question…next.

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 12:27pm

      Troublesome? How precisely? I open carry every single day, everywhere I go. Haven’t found any trouble yet, nor do I suspect I ever will. Explain to me the trouble please.

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  • ICANHANDLETHETRUTH
    Posted on March 20, 2012 at 6:43pm

    LMAO…… are you kidding me ?? JUNK SCEINCE AT BEST. Why don’t they do a study on a real gun safety course…….. and a CCW class. Orrrrrr have them watch the eric holder video from 1995 !!!!!! LMAO what a bunch of tools !!!!

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    • JimCDew
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 7:21pm

      Look folks, if it make sense it would be a course in logic not psychology.

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  • cookcountypatriot
    Posted on March 20, 2012 at 6:43pm

    yes and when i am packing heat i constantly hear the mission impossible theme music in my head…liberalism is a mental disorder…

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    • Onowicit
      Posted on March 20, 2012 at 6:56pm

      i hear spaghetti western music….. specifically from the movie “MY Name is Nobody”

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    • USAMEDIC3008
      Posted on March 20, 2012 at 6:58pm

      I have the same problem,only I hear
      God Bless America

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    • SoupSandwich
      Posted on March 20, 2012 at 9:29pm

      Damn. My sound track is the HeeHaw one with Gloom, dispair, and agony on me. Deep dark depression, excessive misery. If it weren‘t for bad luck I’d have no luck at all. Gloom, dispair, and agony on me. It always is more cheery with Junior Samples doing the singing with Buck Owens. Funny stuff when skipping through section 8 in indian country and the only Kracker in blocks around.
      Oh, here is one for the trolls.
      Where oh where are you tonight, why did you leave me here all alone. I searched the world over, thought I found true love, you met another and fffffllbbbttt you were gone. Hee Haw is probably on in the White House on a loop next to aljeezera.

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    • OldNYFirefighter
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 12:46pm

      The Mission Impossible part is getting Liberals & all anti-gun people to realize a citizen with a legal gun is not going to do anything illegal. As far as people wit CCW Permits go, they are far less apt to break laws than people that do not have CCW Permits. Even the FBI has admitted CCW Permit holders are involved in crime far less than the average citizen. Criminals are far more afraid of armed citizens than they are the Police.

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    • USAMEDIC3008
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 3:14pm

      I think the white house song is from
      Different Stroks

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  • skippy6
    Posted on March 20, 2012 at 6:40pm

    Waste of time!!!

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  • heavyduty
    Posted on March 20, 2012 at 6:39pm

    These studies are so full of crap its not even funny. They really should be trying to find a cure for some illness instead of trying to figure out if someone has a weapon or not. Most people will never think about it until they have to.

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    • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
      Posted on March 20, 2012 at 6:43pm

      Indeed, the matter is of training and using common sense.

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    • Itsjusttim
      Posted on March 20, 2012 at 6:45pm

      Here’s the thing: just as Americans say they love Jesus all the while they rob their own children’s future – they say and don’t do. Just as Americans want their children not to want when they grow up, but cater to them as children – they say and don’t do. Just as Americans say they like their privacy, even though they know they have no privacy – they say and don’t do. And many more examples couldn’t fill this page. Just like all that Americans will whine while their country is swept out from underneath them – And they will keep saying and not doing.

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    • Itsjusttim
      Posted on March 20, 2012 at 6:47pm

      America is over with folks, because you are lukewarm and you suck.

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    • Itsjusttim
      Posted on March 20, 2012 at 7:03pm

      And mind you, the Lord has all the time in the universe. So ask yourself this question: does that sound like a peoples you’d want to save? Because I think God is just going to save a handful of Americans.

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  • blackyb
    Posted on March 20, 2012 at 6:39pm

    Where are my posts

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    • TomFerrari
      Posted on March 20, 2012 at 7:14pm

      Probably holding up your fence?
      LOL

      TomFerrari  
  • addie
    Posted on March 20, 2012 at 6:39pm

    I see holders “brainwashing people against guns” has started. If you believe this crap, then you also believe Holder is the greatest head DoJ and thus, you are a gullible libturd.

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  • ginger100
    Posted on March 20, 2012 at 6:38pm

    Sure and when I get behind the wheel of a car I feel as if everyone wants to race me.

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    • McNamara
      Posted on March 20, 2012 at 8:28pm

      You too?? I thought that was just me…

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    • YesNdeedie
      Posted on March 20, 2012 at 8:55pm

      Go on 3

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    • Xpressed
      Posted on March 20, 2012 at 9:37pm

      Remember me? I beat you off the line by a mile! I think that was you. Everbody does want to race you and me too. It’s crazy, motors are always revving around me. Nododies shot at me though and nobody ever wants to get in a gun fight and I’m almost always carrying. You would think if everybody with a car wants to race then it should stand that they want a gunfight too. I don’t know, weird.

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    • SgtB
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 10:04am

      That used to be the case on north 12th street in Moore when I was growing up and got my 72 lemans with a 400 pontiac (not a big block because pontiac didn’t have big and small blocks) that ran in the low 14′s at 100mph. But alas, the police shut down the local drag fearing that people would get “hurt” or because it upset the people who lived adjacent to the street. I don’t EVER recall anyone dying or even getting into an accident on that street and when Friday or Saturday night rolled around, that area had more business at the local restaurants and gas stations than you could shake a stick at. Now no one want to cruise because gas is so expensive and the cops will pull you over for accidentally squealing a tire. My mom got a contest of speed ticket in a 454 powered xj12 with a custom built turbo 400 that is setup to shift as hard as possible. She wasn’t even going fast, just pulled out of a gas station and when it hit second in a wet spot it went chirp. I still can‘t believe that an officer would think that a woman in her 40’s or 50′s would be drag racing while on her way to the store.

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  • Zcat
    Posted on March 20, 2012 at 6:38pm

    Repetition is the key to effective brainwashing.

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    • TurboCat
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 5:34am

      Recycle, rinse, repeat……..recycle, rinse,repeat……….zzzzzzzzz……..you are being brainwashed……..zzzzzzzzzz…………

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  • Itsjusttim
    Posted on March 20, 2012 at 6:36pm

    Any people who are dumb enough to levy 16 trillion dollars worth of debt on the souls of their children, are surely dumb enough to fall for this study.

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    • Xpressed
      Posted on March 20, 2012 at 9:41pm

      ItsjustTim, go spout it out someplace else bub. If you hate America and want to lob comments against us from another country and we‘re so stupid then please don’t lower yourself to our level. This is a crowded gutter and I’m doing my part to get us all out and not weigh us down with blame gaming. Bless you and stay positive brother.

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    • RepubliCorp
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 7:04pm

      Just wait until they blame guns for climate change

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    • goahead.makemyday
      Posted on March 22, 2012 at 9:04am

      REPUBLICORP
      You didn’t know the gaseous sulfur released into the atmosphere from the gunpowder being ignited is a leading cause of Climate change? How dare you pull out a gun and shoot someone that wants to kill you. You bible and gun clinging earth hater, how dare you put your life above the non-effect you have on the atmosphere. Just because Man-made Climate Change has been dis-proven doesn’t mean you can ignore what you do to Mother Earth!(sarc if you couldn’t tell)

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  • jg2pto
    Posted on March 20, 2012 at 6:35pm

    Does the study identify how many of the participants are gun owners and how many are not? Also, does the study separate those two with respect to how likely someone is to use said gun?

    If not, then the study is a strawman.

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    • BBEV
      Posted on March 20, 2012 at 7:13pm

      I would like to know also. I got my first gun at the age of 10 and I do not have a problem with it.

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    • dnewton
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 10:15am

      A lot of university studies are done with university students as subjects. It is easier to do the work and sometimes they make it part of the class work to record responses. This means that random sampling is violated right away. I guess I missed the part where they declare who is paying for this study. That ought to be the first sentence in the news report. It is maddening to read a report like this and the data is not exposed. What does “more likely” mean? People will fill in the blanks when data like that is missing and they will fill in the blanks with their existing prejudices. If it is a 75% chance, it has more value than if the divide is only 55-45%. We see pretty much what we expect to see. Change expectations and you change what people see. Take a person into the woods and keep mentioning bears or poison ivy. It can change their experience and behavior.

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  • blackyb
    Posted on March 20, 2012 at 6:35pm

    People should be concerned about high dental costs. If people had their teeth fixed right there would be a lot less medical problems. This is disgraceful. There should be more dentists to lower dental costs. Dental education should start in high school and community college and then on to schools for dentists. This education system sucks.

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    • TomFerrari
      Posted on March 20, 2012 at 7:17pm

      Um, okay. But what does that have to do with poorly conducted gun studies?

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    • Jim
      Posted on March 20, 2012 at 8:54pm

      If you have good teeth you will be in a better mood. If you are in a good mood the majority of the time you are most likely conservative. If you are conservative you will know this study is BS.

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  • bobmcgus
    Posted on March 20, 2012 at 6:34pm

    Did these subjects recieve any training. Most permit holders are required to have some type of training. This study seems like it could be skewed…

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  • MangoT21
    Posted on March 20, 2012 at 6:34pm

    I don’t think the people in this study were used to handling firearms…Probably just undergrads grabbed out of the quad with a promise of 20 bucks for an hour of their time.

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    • Jenny Lind
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 4:53pm

      I have found for myself nothing clarifies my mind like holding a gun, I am instantly aware that I am holing an instrament that can cause death, and I have wide awake respect for it.

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  • jakartaman
    Posted on March 20, 2012 at 6:34pm

    My carry is like my American Express card – I don’t leave home without it.
    I do not think everyone one I see is carrying – In Fact I believe the opposite that I am very likely to be the only one who is carrying.
    I am almost 67 and not to many people would suspect that I am carrying. Did not need to when I was young -

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    • AmericanStrega
      Posted on March 20, 2012 at 10:36pm

      You should ALWAYS carry your weapon. You never know when some thug might try a home invasion on your domicile. Even when you’re outside gardening, or whatever. If you are ALWAYS carrying you are better prepared to protect yourself and your family. We carry at all times. We even have bedside holsters for when we’re sleeping. Some here may think me nuts, but I’ve so far not been a victim. And I plan on not becoming one.

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    • dnewton
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 10:19am

      Carrying at all times is safer for children too. You know exactly where the gun is at all times and especially when they are awake.

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    • Schteveo
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 5:57pm

      I never go out the front door without my pistol on my side. Even if I’m staying on my property. I don’t have a wall, so anyone can walk right up to me!

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  • Itsjusttim
    Posted on March 20, 2012 at 6:34pm

    Well there you have it. Give up your heat so a Black Liberation group only has them.

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  • jjoy
    Posted on March 20, 2012 at 6:33pm

    Just more of obama’a “under the radar’ gun control cr@p…

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  • blackyb
    Posted on March 20, 2012 at 6:33pm

    Nancy Pelosi’s daughter wanted an “in your face” American people moment to do such an interview. They want division and hate stirred up. All of them. There was no journalism involved there. She is a puppet of her mother and cohorts.

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  • MetalPatriot
    Posted on March 20, 2012 at 6:31pm

    What kind of science is it that doesn’t study the actual subjects they are trying to draw a conclusion about?

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    • lemonfemale
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 6:57pm

      Very good point. They may be having to use psych students but it seems to me a person carrying a toy gun might well try to act like people who carry guns really do in the movies. A real gun would be a very sobering thing to have in my hands, I think. (I don’t own one but have occasionally shot one.)

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    • goahead.makemyday
      Posted on March 22, 2012 at 9:09am

      There is an obvious difference between a toy gun and a real gun. But the lib profs probably didn‘t want to hamper the students brainwashing by showing them a gun by itself isn’t evil just the person holding it.

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  • dmerwin
    Posted on March 20, 2012 at 6:30pm

    non story

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  • ianmc002
    Posted on March 20, 2012 at 6:29pm

    Do away with “Shall Issue” in ALL states. The ~30 or so states it was done away with…CRIME DROPPED!!!

    Email your Senators, I do.

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    • USAMEDIC3008
      Posted on March 20, 2012 at 6:39pm

      I will just say YOUR NUTZ
      If you get out to the real world ,you would
      know that YOUR NUTZ

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    • bobmcgus
      Posted on March 20, 2012 at 6:46pm

      Perhaps you could move to IL, or NYC…you will surely feel safer there.

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    • bobmcgus
      Posted on March 20, 2012 at 7:00pm

      You know the NYC i’m talking about, right? You know.. the one where only Marines and nurses carry guns? Thank God the fine boys in blue are smart enough to catch them all, and keep the rest of us lemmings safe.

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    • ianmc002
      Posted on March 20, 2012 at 7:01pm

      lol. I think you guys are the ones confused. Doing away with Shall Issue means you CAN CARRY without permit…as long as you pass the background check to purchase a firearm. For gods sake do a little research will ya? We all (including the Beckers) want Shall Issue to go away…thus arming more law abiding citizens.

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    • ianmc002
      Posted on March 20, 2012 at 7:17pm

      And btw do a little research before commenting lol.

      BEHOLD THE POWER OF GOOGLE!!!

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    • TomFerrari
      Posted on March 20, 2012 at 7:22pm

      @ianmc..,
      You are the confused one. Gun ownership always LOWERS crime rates.
      To quote you, ” do a little research, would ya?”

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    • TomFerrari
      Posted on March 20, 2012 at 7:27pm

      • States with right-to-carry laws have lower violent crime rates. On average, right-to-carry states have 22 percent lower total violent crime rates, 30 percent lower murder rates, 46 percent lower robbery rates, and 12 percent lower aggravated assault rates, compared to the rest of the country. The seven states with the lowest violent crime rates are right-to-carry states. (Data: FBI.)
      http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?id=189&issue=003

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    • Jim
      Posted on March 20, 2012 at 8:58pm

      Ha Ha! Dumb a$$, you have your ‘facts’ backwards.

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    • Jim
      Posted on March 20, 2012 at 9:06pm

      ianmc002…YOU do your research, dumb a$$. a shall issue CCW means if you are legal you shall be issued a CCW. What you are talking about is not needing a permit to carry concealed if you are legal. Got it? GOOD!

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    • ianmc002
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 9:02am

      There are over 20k UnConstitutional gun laws. A state has NO say (or isn’t supposed to) concerning your right to carry…it is your INALIENABLE RIGHT to carry. Do away with Shall Issue…FOLLOW the CONSTITUTION.

      “Federal court decision: “A state cannot impose a license, tax or fee on a constitutionally protected right. Murdock vs. Pennsylvania 319 US 105 (1942).” For those who rely on law and commonsense, the possession of firearms is clearly “a constitutionally protected right”.”

      Shall-Issue

      “A Shall-Issue jurisdiction is one that requires a permit to carry a concealed handgun, but where the granting of such permits is subject only to meeting certain criteria laid out in the law; the granting authority has no discretion in the awarding of the permits. Such laws typically state that a granting authority shall issue a permit if the criteria are met, as opposed to laws in which the authority may issue a permit at their discretion.”

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    • DeavonReye
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 10:31am

      I agree that a person should be allowed to carry a gun based solely upon their passing the NICS. Until that is established, however, . . . we are made to follow procedures just to keep ourselves out of prison. Sad, but that’s our current reality.

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    • ianmc002
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 11:30am

      To be clear I am very anti-Shall Issue (states ‘oking’ citizens to carry guns), but I am VERY pro gun. Why? Please read my entire response.

      Concealed carry is a rouse. It is your INALIENABLE RIGHT to carry. There are over 20k UnConstitutional gun laws, with the states vying to take those rights away, or grant those rights. State can NOT (or are NOT supposed to) infringe upon those INALIENABLE GOD given RIGHTS. Whether that law says you can’t/can carry doesn’t matter, it is anti Constitutional either way. Which means EVERYONE can carry. Now I do believe that the Constitution should be amended for convicted violent felons, etc, but that’s a whole nuther scussion.

      CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW!

      Hope that make sense?

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    • robinakilt
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 4:47pm

      Nudge

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  • 1966jesus
    Posted on March 20, 2012 at 6:27pm

    Sounds like they are creating reasons for taking our guns away.

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  • SpeckledPup
    Posted on March 20, 2012 at 6:26pm

    hahahaha, Notre Dame, home of the mindless synocophants and free abortions.. it lost ALL of its credibility when it covered up Christ — and bowed to grovel before its new savior obama instead.

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    • kickagrandma
      Posted on March 20, 2012 at 6:33pm

      Didn’t the wh just command the closing of all Vatican accounts because of lack of transparency? How about WE THE PEOPLE COMMAND THE CLOSING of the wh and congress, nullify everything done in the past 3.6 years by this group, close all their bank accounts, demand repayment of salaries pd. each Congress person over their time under this abomination and get OUR SHOW on the road.

      Packing heat? puleeze. you liberal jerks at ND haven’t seen heat until you meet up face to face with the GOD you denied.

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    • jakartaman
      Posted on March 20, 2012 at 6:37pm

      You Go Grandma!!

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    • SpeckledPup
      Posted on March 20, 2012 at 6:38pm

      ND is nothing but a boiling mass of rotted obamacommunists now, exposed like cockroaches in the light.

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    • stephenmarkovich
      Posted on March 20, 2012 at 10:22pm

      gotta agree to a good point

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    • TSUNAMI-22
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 6:29pm

      @ kickagrandma

      Your comment was awesome !

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    • FreedomsQB
      Posted on March 22, 2012 at 12:11am

      @ Kickagrandma
      Are you only going to go back 3.5 years…. I vote to go back much further than that! Lets get rid of the Patriot Act, Glass Stiegal Act (?), Nip NAFTA in the bud, Regulate the EPA, Scratch the Dept of Ed, I say lets go back to about 1960 protect Kennedy and Martin Luther King, get back on the Gold Standard and never elect Nixon, Carter, Bush 1, Clinton, Bush 2 or Obama.

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