What Exactly Did Pat Robertson Say About Romney’s Mormonism and What Did He Mean?
- Posted on May 14, 2012 at 2:41pm by
Billy Hallowell
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While discussing the 2012 presidential election, The Christian Broadcast Network’s (CBN) Pat Robertson, 82, made a curious statement on “The 700 Club Monday” — one that‘s causing some to wonder where he stands on Romney’s Mormon faith.
Robertson began the show by delving into Romney’s attempt to appeal to evangelical voters. As The Blaze noted over the weekend, the Republican presidential candidate delivered a commencement address at Liberty University. During his speech at the evangelical college, Romney reiterated his opposition to same-sex marriage.
He then turned to the other elements surrounding Romney’s candidacy.
“It looks like the people who were worried about his Mormonism, at least that crowd is diminishing somewhat,” he said. “The question is, if you have two candidates, you don’t have Jesus running against someone else. You have Obama running against Romney.”
The first portion of this comment — which focuses upon the proportion of evangelicals who have stated an uncomfortableness with voting for a Mormon — has been explored in-depth on The Blaze before. Based on polls, proclamations and related information, it seems Romney’s faith does, indeed, seem to be a diminishing factor.
But it is the second piece of Robertson’s commentary that is intriguing. It could, of course, be interpreted in two ways. First, Robertson may have been saying that there is no perfect candidate in any election. This, of course, wouldn‘t be an attack on Romney’s faith; it would be a more general statement about the current political schema.
Intrepid BuzzFeed reporter McKay Coppins, though, took the commentary to be centered upon Romney’s Mormon belief system. Coppins wrote, “The host of ‘The 700 Club’ reminds Evangelicals that Romney is their best choice — even if he is Mormon.”
But as The Blaze reported back in October, Robertson has pledged not to make any more political endorsements. And he’s called Romney “an outstanding Christian.” As we previously reported:
Robertson said he would continue to comment on the news of the day and noted he likes Mitt Romney’s politics. He said he considers the Mormon candidate “an outstanding Christian,” but declined to say if he would be OK with a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in the White House. Both Romney and former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman are Mormons seeking the GOP nomination, and many evangelicals are skeptical of the Mormon faith’s claims to Christianity.
Considering these elements, one wonders if Robertson really was invoking Romney’s faith — or merely making a grander opinion about the general race (or about some of Romney’s views that have been dubbed a bit more moderate of left-of-center and, thus, un-Christ-like).
Watch Robertson‘s commentary from today’s “700 Club,” below (Jesus comments start around 4:00):
(H/T: Huffington Post)
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Dauh
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 8:35pmEvangelicals are as ignorant and embarrassing to the political, social, and religious arena as left wing radicals. Look up “bigot” and you might as well see a picture of an evangelical.
Report Post »Belchfire V-8
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 9:10pmActually you lefties have that sewed up.
Report Post »Dauh
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 11:35pmYou gleaned from my post that I’m a lefty? Not a chance. I’m ripping on the intolerant, judgmental Evangelicals, not on conservatives. Evangelicals are the ones giving conservatism and Christianity a bad rap. You ever hear Romney spewing the same asinine stupidity that comes out of the mouths of evangelicals? Is Romney the one attacking their faith, their beliefs? Is Romney telling you that you’re going to hell? Nope.
snooop1e
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 11:40pmNumbers 15:30
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Rom 2:6
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Eph 1:18
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1 Peter 3:12
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ModerationIsBest
Posted on May 15, 2012 at 12:04amHarry Potter pages 5, 12, 28, 39, 68
What’s the difference?
Report Post »FREDINOHIO
Posted on May 15, 2012 at 12:22pmWe MUST get past the none issue of personal religion in relation to the coming presidential election!! There apparently was no problem last election with Obama and his ties to Wright and Ayers or his muslim upbringing. So, what’s the big deal now with Mormonism? Have we lost sight of the dismal failure of the Obama administration in the last three and a half years to move this country in the direction of prosperity? Have we missed all the attempts by the Obama administrtion to divide “We the People” along every conceivable line as possible? Have we missed all the attemps by the Obama administration to subvert the Constitution of the United States? Please, focus people. The continuation of America as a nation and our individual rights and freedoms are at stake.
Report Post »Dauh
Posted on May 15, 2012 at 8:14pmConsider:
There isn’t a conservative Mormon on this planet who would not vote for an evangelical. However, seems like half the evangelicals refuse to vote for a candidate simply because he’s Mormon.
What’s wrong with that picture? What are the evangelicals being taught that makes them so bigoted?
They’re being taught the wrong version of Christianity. That‘s what’s wrong.
Report Post »SickandTiredAmerican
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 8:34pmHmmmmm,
Jeremiah Wright – Not a Mormon
Bill Ayers – Not a Mormon
Bernadine Dorn – Not a Mormon
Jesse Jackson – Not a Mormon
Al Sharpton – Not a Mormon
Louis Farrakhan – Not a Mormon
Malik Shabazz – Not a Mormon
Hilary Rosan – Not a Mormon
Nancy Pelosi – Not a Mormon
Barack Obama – Not a Mormon
I think I an okay with Mitt Romney being a Mormon.
Report Post »snooop1e
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 11:42pmYou left out Joe Biden, Kathleen Sebelius and Chris Matthews……..
Report Post »LDSmommy
Posted on May 15, 2012 at 4:47amTee-hee…..‘As a Mormon’…I love it!!!
Report Post »Obamabinlying
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 7:52pmWhat is your definition of the word Christian? If it includes, ( as many dictionary’s do ) “ one whose profession and life conform to the example and TEACHING of Jesus” then I ask you, must you act in accord to all of his teachings? If so, how do you conform to one of his must compelling (Truly, Truly) teachings found in John 6:53-58 ?
Report Post »JGraham III
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 10:02pmFirst century believers were called followers of “the Way” because the Lord had said “I am the way, the truth and the life; no man comes to the Father but by me. It was later at Antioch (see Book of Acts) that they became known as “christ-ins” because Paul had taught that to be saved/born again was to have Christ in you, the hope of glory. The unbelievers mocked them by calling them Christ -ins or christians and the name stuck. Yet later again the unbelievers mocked those who following Luther’s teachings were always giving testimony toward their personal relationship with Jesus Christ by calling them Pros (toward) testes (witness) or protestants. There. I’ve probably told you waaay more than you ever wanted to know.
Report Post »firenate
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 11:26pmIndividual salvation is not determined by a dictionary, nor is it by a mere profession of faith, nor is it by any actions in accordance to any law… Christianity is nothing but a title. Religion is a group of specific beliefs and interpretations of law. Either you are athiest or you fit into some religious belief system. There is no other choice. Although one may affiliate themselves with one religion or another has no bering on salvation. Salvation is between the individual and his Creator. If the individual recognizes his need for a savior, accepts his inability to save himself, asks his creator to come into his life than he will find salvation. God isn’t so concerned with all the intrepretations and differences in denominations as He is with having a personal relationship with the individual. Only He can truly judge the individuals heart and grant salvation. So… Romney may claim the title of being Mormon. He also claims to be a christian as obama does. Salvation is between them and God. Ultimately, what it boils down to is who is going to lead the country according to the biblical principles that our constitution was founded upon. I may have differences when it comes to the theology of the mormon church but I will take that any day over the theology of Jeremiah Wrights teachings and the people who brought up and influenced obama!
Report Post »snooop1e
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 11:58pm@JGRAHAM III – Do you really want to open a discussion about Martin Luther who had an obsession with forcing Satan into his anus and came to the understanding of being saved by “faith alone” while sitting on the toilet? No doubt there were a lot of abuses occurring in the church during Martin Luthers day but none of the Apostles started their own church because of Judas right? A serious reading of Martin Luther’s writings is nothing less than disturbing. Ask yourself this question, is the Epistle of James an “Epistle of straw” and do you (like Martin Luther) question the inspiration of James and Revelation? Many Protestants simply push these beliefs of Martin Luther aside (not to mention that he added the word “ALONE” to Romans 3:28) but they are relevant if you cling to Martin Luther’s teachings. What about Calvin or Zwingli? I encourage ALL Protestants to study Christian history an d find out exactly where, when, why and who started your church and why you believe that when Jesus Christ promised that the gates of Hell would not prevail against His church it took Mohammad, Martin Luther ,John Calvin, Joseph Smith, Aimee Semple or one of the 30,000 other people who started their own “bible based” churches to rescue Christianity from the gates of Hell?. Was Jesus wrong? What did any of these people know that Jesus didn’t know? Why are you not in the Church that Jesus Christ founded? Is it because you know better?
Report Post »JGraham III
Posted on May 15, 2012 at 2:08amRE: snooop1e,
Report Post »I suppose by your post that you are a roman catholic and your assertion that the church Jesus Christ founded is that same organization; I’m afraid I would have to disagree with your claim. Just as Martin Luther was certainly flawed in his life, so I would bet that all of the popes that have ever lived were just as flawed, perhaps even more so. Read about some of them and the horrific acts they participated in. If you want to base the Roman Catholic Church‘s claim to ’apostolic‘ authority on them then even your description of Luther makes him look like a ’saint’. The foundation Jesus was referring to is that only God the Father can reveal to men that Jesus is the Christ. Not Peter, not his ‘confession’ but by revelation is the church built. The reformation that started with Luther is still being completed today and there have been many individuals who God has ‘used’ along the way. Rome sat on the truth for centuries and I don’t think the Lord is too happy about that fact. I count all roman catholics that believe on the Lord Jesus Christ as by brothers and sisters, even if they don’t return the sentiment.
Individualism
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 7:31pmI don’t feel comfortable voting for one.
Report Post »FREDINOHIO
Posted on May 15, 2012 at 10:06amWhile I would really like to address several misconceptions about Mormonism indicated in posts for this article, I have limited time. So I will simply ask a question. In light of all that has transpired over the past three and a half years (that is, assuming you have been paying attention), and considering the condition of our country, its economy, the attempts to divide “We the People” along economic, political, and racial lines, and considering all the outright lies this administration has told during that time (again, assuming you have been paying attention and have not drank the liberal main stream media B.S.) just who would you feel “comfortable” voting for? There will only be two viable choices. A vote for anyone but Romney will be a vote for Obama!! Do you really want this country to continue on its current path? Either you support individual rights and freedom or you support something much less. There is no gray area in this election. We either get Obama out of office or our country dies. I for one do not and will not support the dismantling of the American way of life and the lose of personal freedoms. We have a very serious choice to make this election. Where do you stand?
Report Post »hillbillyinny
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 7:08pmThe Mormon “god” is definitely not my God–Father, Son and Holy Spirit, three Persons in One, BUT Mormons are people of strong faith and morals. And their faith doesn’t cause them to strap on belts of bombs, fly planes into buildings, or beat their wives or kill “infidels” like me! They don’t become communist, socialist, or humanist, and they want the United States to stay the strong, leader that we have been since our inception.
So, we can “discuss” theology any time we want, but right now, as GB says, “AT LEAST HE’S NOT A COMMIE”!
Vote Romney!
Report Post »JL9999
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 7:32pmMormons believe in the Jesus Christ in the bible not the version created in the fourth century Alexandrians for politcal reasons. Never heard that before? Go read “Lost Christianities” and “Misquoting Jesus” both by Bart Ehrman.
Report Post »bonafide365
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 8:58pm@JL9999, I”m not buying that. Mormonism IS NOT christianity. The differences is essential doctrine is very significant. We are not spirit babies of God, Satan is not the brother of Jesus, Jews did not sail to America.
Let me not forgot, God is also not an exalted man. I can add plenty more if you’d like.
Report Post »JGraham III
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 10:45pmRE: jl9999
Report Post »I am curious what spurious version the Alexandrians produced. There are actually very very few complete New Testaments that date from the 4th century and if you have access to a complete one I’m sure there are many biblical scholars that would love to examine it. One of the beauties of the Word is that it has innumerable checks and balances as it were incorporated into it that when considered as a whole will reveal most forgeries. This why the so called Gnostic gospels are largely rejected by the scholarly community. It is also why some “late arrivals” to the scriptural collection also don’t carry water as far as being the inspired Word of God. The Koran for instance is essentially the Bible turned on its head. If the Bible is the standard for “faith and practice” then all other claimants to scripture must be evaluated by it and not the other way around.
As far as the “mormon ” issue surrounding Mr Romney, I hve no problem with a moral mormon in the White House, especially when the alternative is a wolf in sheeps‘ clothing who uses christian rhetoric but acts as if he’s never forsaken his godless marxist/muslim upbringing. I do not wish either to debate the veracity of the mormon scriptures as I have over time found that arguing doesn’t produce many results if any at all. I do take exception with the standard mormon dodge, “I believe the scriptures in so far as they are correctly translated”. I can’t help think that this is a cover for most anythin
LDSmommy
Posted on May 15, 2012 at 4:51amI promise, ‘our’ God is the same as your God. Love GB‘s ’At least he’s not a Commie!’ Point well taken!
Report Post »bonafide365
Posted on May 15, 2012 at 6:18pm@LDSMommy
No, your God is not the same as the biblical Christian God. I stated some stark differences early in this chain. There are very stark and essential differences between Mormon and Biblical doctrines; especially surrounding the deity of Christ.
Report Post »9635kari
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 6:19pmGlenn Beck and Pat Gray are Mormon. I am Mormon and Romney was not our first or second choice. For someone to say we are not “true Christians” need to go back to the first grade and catch up on your primer. THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS!. We begin and end our prayers in our chapels and on our knees in Jesus name. Romney is not conservative enough for us but we must defeat Obama who ends his prayers with who knows who. Hopefully, the tea party will keep Romneys feet to the conservative fire!!!
Report Post »Ithrewitontheground
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 6:13pm@Mutiny
Report Post »I love it!
The country is nearly beyond repair and voting in Romney will not save it.
The electorate is awake, the sad thing is they are still sheep.
ModerationIsBest
Posted on May 15, 2012 at 12:07amWait, I thought according to Christianity being a sheep is a good thing?
Report Post »bonafide365
Posted on May 15, 2012 at 6:27pmOur Lord is the sheperd, and we christians are indeed sheep. Not in the ignorant, blind, mindnumb following you are suggesting; but characteristcally like physical sheep.
“I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep… I know my own and my own know me.” (John10:11-14)
Like sheep to a sheperd, we follow and depend on God’s kindness, sustanance, and abudant blessings he generously gives. I am thankful for my shepherd, and for the God given gifts he has bestowed upon me and my family.
Report Post »Ithrewitontheground
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 6:03pmhttp://www.biblebelievers.com/jmelton/Mormons.html
Report Post »peteasdf
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 7:11pmmormon.org is also a good place to learn about the church, and so is asking your neighbor. Perhaps going to a non-mormon or anti-mormon website is not the best place.
Report Post »jwt
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 8:27pmwhat about the reorganzied latter day saints?
Report Post »snowbobster
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 10:53pm16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
Found in the old testament and on http://www.lds.org.
Good thing for the atonement of Jesus Christ, cause a lot of Christians break this one when speaking about The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-Day Saints. Be Truthful with yourself and your God get your info from the source at mormon.org. Then pray about what you read, God will let you know the truth.
Report Post »Most people rely too much on the word of man and not enough on the word of the Lord. It makes me laugh when I ask something so simple of a christian like to read the Book of Mormon and Pray about it and the next words out of their mouth is ‘let me ask my pastor’ or ‘I read on web-site’. God is the only source of truth, but you don’t know what he thinks until you ask, but most important is he won’t answer until you are ready to listen.
JGraham III
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 11:17pmRE: snowbobster;
Report Post »Bear in mind that I am perfectly happy to allow you to follow whatever belief you choose; but I do want to ask why it is that when a mormon is lovingly confronted by a follower of the Lord Jesus Christ, the mormon almost never reads what that person may give them and ‘prayerfully’ consider what they might say. I have read extensive parts of a copy of the book of Mormon, given me by a Reformed LDS that include some 25 things the book of Mormon had to say. I did so with my bible opened and checked what the book of mormon had to say vs the Bible and nearly all 25 did not agree with what the Word says. I only wish I had kept it but the book of Mormon nor the “list”did not make the move when we left to come out west. Needless to say the Spirit of the Lord told me I didn’t need to make a change.
smartman
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 5:47pmlook at the website below. its a real-time delegate counter that is accurate. If RP speaks at the RNC he will embarrass Romney. MITT is a RINO GB has been saying it for a year, but has now tapered off in his declaration of the truth. Romney and Obama will be the same result that take different paths to get there. Can you trust a flip flopper like romney?
Real delegate counter found here: http://thereal2012delegatecount.com/
‘I think the minimum wage ought to keep pace with inflation.’ [1]
‘There’s no question raising the minimum wage excessively causes a loss of jobs.’
‘I will work and fight for stem cell research.’ [1]
‘In the end, I became persuaded that the stem-cell debate was grounded in a false premise.’ [2]
‘I respect and will protect a woman’s right to choose.’ [1]
‘I never really called myself pro-choice.’ [2]
‘Roe v. Wade has gone too far.’ [1]
‘I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years we should sustain and support it.’ [2]
‘I saw my father march with Martin Luther King.’ [1]
‘I did not see it with my own eyes.’ [2]
‘It was not my desire to go off and serve in Vietnam.’ [1]
‘I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there.
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Report Post »Netsurfer2
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 8:31pmThank You joshua.muzyka for showing the truth!
Report Post »NHwinter
Posted on May 15, 2012 at 10:45amNo, he just evolved. If Obama can evolve, so can Romney. Say what you want, Romney is far better than Obama and, just perhaps, he has learned along the way and evolved too.
Report Post »audiemurphy
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 5:23pmDoctrinal Question: show me where it says Jesus and Lucifer are NOT brothers .
If you read the Bible it clearly states we are all children of god and god created all mankind spiritually , including the one third hosts of heaven who rebelled and folllowed lucifer. Those rebellious spirits never got a body like we have and we’re so desirous to experience it they will possess the body of swine even. If they can they will try to possess our bodies even.
The main reason evangelicals have become so anti Mormon is because for the most part it is a business which relies on the donations of its parishioners for income. When you have another religion which proselytes and has no paid clergy then there is a threat to that business.
Report Post »So the parishioners are fed a diet of anti Mormon sentiment to keep them towing the line and paying their donations.
It’s sad but true and I have seen it. Not all are this way because of money but many are and many have continued the tradition of being anti Mormon because of the example of those who are prejudiced because of money.
smartman
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 5:49pmThe part where it says jesus is gods only son and then the bible refers to satan in masculine form. Also the part where it says he is a fallen angel and angels were created by god. Jesus has always been. You should read your Bible more.
Report Post »joshua.muzyka
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 6:04pmDoctrinal Answer: John 3:16, 3:18 and 1:18 and 1 John 4:9 among others say God has only one son.
Hebrews 1 shows Jesus is not an angel.
Ezekiel 28:13 shows satan was a created being, and thus not God’s son.
Hebrews 1 also refutes Jehovah‘s Witness’s claim Jesus is Michael the Archangel. Jesus isn’t an angel. Satan was.
Another note Mormon’s might not even realize is to make Jesus and Satan brothers is to “elevate” Satan to the level of God because we (Christians) believe that Jesus is God. (Matthew 1:23, Isaiah 9:6, Isaiah 43:10-11, 2 Peter 1:1, John 1:1, John 8:58, 1 Timothy 3:16, Titus 2:13, Revelation 1:8, Revelation 22:13…. etc)
Report Post »tired_of_it2011
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 9:02pmUmmmmm…..Lucifer was an angel who fell from God’s grace due to his pride. That’s biblical. Christ was the Son of God (also biblical) and according to Christian tradition part of the Trinitarian God….Father, Son, Holy Spirit.
Report Post »audiemurphy
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 9:26pm@smartman
Report Post »It doesn’t say they are not brothers spiritually.
Your interpretation is one dimensional and omits other passages which cited leads to the fact that all spirits were created by god including his Son who is referred to as the first born of the spirits. If you read other passages in your bible you would be able to re consider your conclusion and doctrinal error.
Nonetheless my point is still un answered and preaching for monetary gain was not what Jesus taught.
My point was not to make remarks on who is bible literate. And to suppose I don’t read it because I have a different doctrinal understanding is not only rude and unbecoming of a Christian it is judgemental and assumptive which leads me to assume you are argumentative and un teachable because you cannot make your point without misrepresentation of facts thru omission of addition scripture references which point toward a different conclusion doctrinally.
God speed brother.
She_Urkel
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 9:41pmIt’s called “priestcraft.“ Mainstream ”Christianity” has perfected it! Care about MONEY more than salvation.
Report Post »audiemurphy
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 10:38pmJesus is the only son born in the flesh of god : meaning his mortal body was created with a mortal mother and immortal father. That’s why the scripture means.
Report Post »All gods other children other than Adam and Eve were created physically with both a mortal father and mother. Isaiah 14:12 lucifer son of the morning. as he was called before he fell. A spiritual son of god who rebelled with a third of the hosts of heaven. Jesus is referred to as the first born of the spirits in heaven and later the only begotten( in the flesh). Refer to Jeremiah 1 when god tells
him that before he was born he knew
him and ordained him a prophet .
Keep in mind the current Bibles we use are derived from the catholic bi me which was handwritten and manipulated over many centuries and altered by man to twist and deceive man by confusing the pure truth as it was recorded by the prophets who received that knowledge before it wa corrupted directly from God.
Any true seeker of truth would investigate the historical facts concerning how we got our bible .
dcubed
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 11:03pmRE: JOSHUA.MUZYKA. You point to the Bible showing Satan is a created being. So, WHO created him??? Obviously God, the Creator of the Universe. So IN THIS SENSE God is the “Father” of Satan. That’s why Isaiah refers to Lucifer as “the son of the morning.” (Isa. 14:12). Luke taught Adam was a son of God (Luke 3:38), and Jesus taught we are all sons and daughters of God when He told Mary “I ascend to my Father and to YOUR Father” (John 20:17).
Report Post »With so many Biblical references of many sons and daughters of God, your interpretation of John 1:18; 3:16,18; 1 John 4:9 as proof that Jesus was God’s “only” Son is incorrect. Each verse clearly states Jesus is the only BEGOTTEN Son of God; which distinguishes Jesus from all of other God’s created “sons and daughters.”.
From the dictionary we read, “begotten: past participle of be·get (Verb)
Verb: Give rise to; bring about.”
Hmmm…sounds like God created Jesus.
So why do you say is Satan “elevated?” All it means is as one of God’s “created sons and daughters,” we all have the ability to make decisions and choices that can bring us closer to God or push us further away from God. Lucifer made his choices; no more, no less.
Apparently, this logical thinking is so bizarre that Mormons aren’t allowed to be Christian…Amazing!
mjazzguitar
Posted on May 15, 2012 at 11:06amDCUBED:
Report Post »“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.”
nowhereman
Posted on May 15, 2012 at 12:10pm@tired_of_it2011
Report Post »Lucifer (“shining star” in all translations other then the KJV) WAS NOT an angel cast down from heaven. In context, chapter 14 of Isiah is speaking about a pompous earthly King of Babylon, who in verse 14, will be “brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.”
ldaopines
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 5:19pmMormon family and life values are close to mine. Obama’s are not. Those values are what matters in a US Presidency.
Report Post »stage9
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 4:45pmThe Mitt Romney Report
Mitt Romney’s record on a range of issues over the years as a Presidential candidate (2007-present), Governor of Massachusetts (Jan. 2003 – Jan. 2007), candidate for US Senate (1994), and businessman.
http://massresistance.org/romney/
DNA vs the book of mormon
http://sourceflix.com/dna-vs-the-book-of-mormon/
The Bible vs Joseph Smith
http://sourceflix.com/the-bible-vs-joseph-smith-official-release/
The Bible vs the book of mormon
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JJBlazeReader
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 4:11pm..
Pat seems to be behind the curve on this. Last poll I saw showed 68% of Evangelicals will vote for Romney, 19% for P. Obama. This was before P. Obama came out for gay marriage.
If the trend continues, Romney may match or exceed the Evangelical vote that George Bush received.
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Smokey_Bojangles
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 6:13pmJesus Saves,Obama and Romney Spend.
Report Post »Kankokage
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 3:52pmMuch ado about nothing. This is what we call “grasping for straws” – there is plenty of actual news to report on, Blaze. This is speculative nonsense about a throwaway statement.
Report Post »stockpicker
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 3:36pmWhy would Pat Robertson’s comments matter, he doesn’t believe in the Christ of the Bible. He preaches and teaches a false christianity.
Report Post »deeberj
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 3:44pmWhat? Please enlighten me.
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 4:15pmWhile I am not a fan of Robertson at all, I wonder what god you think he worships. I think I know where I am going with this but I would love for you to keep going.
Report Post »She_Urkel
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 9:44pmStockpicker must be the only person who knows the only true God.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on May 15, 2012 at 12:11amAny Christian who listens to anything Pat Robertson says is following a false prophet. Robertson is the epitome of that term because he has constantly used his God’s name in prophesy(which was never filled) and has also claimed to know the will of God on numerous times. He is an obvious fraud.
Report Post »MAULEMALL
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 3:31pmGod…Please let this fool know that enough is enough.
In Jesus name I pray..
Report Post »Amen
Elena2010
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 3:22pmBetter a mormon than a muslim.
Report Post »RightPolitically
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 3:32pmWise words!
Report Post »missaudrey
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 4:00pmRomney – republic, our constitution
Obama – communist, communist manifesto
You choose!
Report Post »Gumbercules
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 4:05pmIt’s still funny how people are more afraid of Mormons than Muslims.
Report Post »bobby12
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 4:06pmI agree!!!!!!!!! Any things will be better than what we have now!!!
Report Post »StanO360
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 5:11pmAnd let’s be real here, there have been many Presidents that did not take their Christian faith seriously and yet Christians still voted for them. And if Obama is a Christian, I have yet to see any demonstration of his faith (that’s between him and the Lord). So while Romney is not a Christian in the Biblical sense, in practice as President, the outcomes will be more in line with Christian values than Obama’s.
Report Post »She_Urkel
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 9:47pmAnd Stano360 is a Christian…in the Biblical sense.
Report Post »cwrink
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 3:02pmWhen a person gets to the age of 80 he needs to step down and quit speaking out in public…and I am a “senior”…I know.
Report Post »progressiveslayer
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 3:00pmWho gives a damn what his religion is? It’s pretty simple folks the Marxist POS gets re-elected and we get taxmageddon a 500 billion dollar tax increase,the largest tax increase in American history,Romney wins that doesn’t happen.There‘s many reasons to vote against the Marxist heathen and the most important one is he’s a Marxist!
So these people on the fence because Romney’s a Mormon are going to vote for Barry? or stay home? If you do either of those two you get what you get,unfortunately the rest of us will suffer under the Marxist regime if he wins.
Report Post »brother_ed
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 3:09pmThat, unfortunately, is what is going to happen to some of the people. They are going to stay home.
Ignorance is alive and well in this country, and it’s shameful.
Report Post »JustMel71
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 2:58pmThis site has become the equivalent to a rag magazines.
Obama 2008, “If you don’t vote for Obama, it’s because you are racist.”
Romney 2012 “If you don’t vote for Romney, it‘s because you don’t like Mormons.”
Enjoy your daily cesspool reports of Mormonism and Romney. This site has become irrelevant.
Report Post »brother_ed
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 3:12pm@JUSTMEL71
Typical whiner. Let me know the addy of the news site you are creating.
The beautiful thing about the web news sites is: if you don’t like the headline, don’t click on the story.
It’s a beautiful thing.
See you later.
Report Post »Abraham Young
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 3:25pmI agree. This site is irrelevant except as a rubber stamp for big government zombies.
Report Post »jedi.kep
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 2:55pmThis whole election is awkward for evangelicals. We have a choice between a “Gay” president, or a RINO cult member. Sorry, but I just CAN’T get excited over Romney. It‘s another ’lesser of two evils’ kind of election and Romney is the lesser of two evils.
“But what about Ron Paul???!!!” Paul people… YOU are the reason I won’t vote for Ron Paul.
Report Post »MammalOne
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 3:13pm” Paul people… YOU are the reason I won’t vote for Ron Paul.”
That doesn’t make sense. What difference does it make who likes him? You’re not voting his fans into power, you’re voting HIM into power. If you have an issue with Ron Paul’s policies – fine – but it‘s a completely void argument that you won’t vote for ron paul because you don’t like his supporters.
Report Post »Abraham Young
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 3:27pmI vote for the BEST CANDIDATE. Period.
I don’t vote for his followers. Period.
And my conscience will be clear, I voted for the best, even if least popular candidate, and let God deal with the consequences.
Do what is right. Let the consequence follow. Battle for freedom in spirit and might. And with stout hearts look ye forth till tomorrow. God will protect you, then do what is right.
Blindly following the 2 party juggernaut in their death grip with each other is foolhardy.
Report Post »one.dakine.howlie
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 4:25pmA cult member? Really??? Did you come to that conclusion on your own or are you just following what your pastor told you? I bet you couldn’t even give the description of the word “cult”. How very Christ-like of you to judge a people you know absolutely nothing about except what you HEAR from others.
Report Post »jedi.kep
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 8:11pm@ One,
A cult member? Really??? YES REALLY.
Did you come to that conclusion on your own or are you just following what your pastor told you? MANY YEARS OF RESEARCH INTO THE MORMON BELIEFS, JOE SMITH, AND THEIR BIBLE.
I bet you couldn’t even give the description of the word “cult”. I SURE CAN. I BET YOU CAN USE A DICTIONARY AS WELL.
How very Christ-like of you to judge a people you know absolutely nothing about except what you HEAR from others. POT, MEET KETTLE. YOU DON’T KNOW ME, YET YOU JUDGE. hmmmmm.
It’s called research and doing your homework. Done mine 20 years ago. History hasn’t changed. People try to rewrite it, but it still hasn’t changed.
Report Post »She_Urkel
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 9:50pmJedi.kep is perfect. Stop judging him!!
Report Post »Cosmos102
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 2:55pmObama thinks he’s the Messiah. He’s not. Hence you don’t have Jesus running against someone else. You have Obama running against Romney.
Report Post »P8riot
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 2:54pmLets just pre-empt all the anti-mormon posts coming soon.
Here are the “Articles of Faith” of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as written by the Prophet Joseph Smith:
1 We abelieve in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
2 We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam’s transgression.
3 We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
4 We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
5 We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.
6 We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.
7 We believe in the gift of btongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
8 We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
Continued:
Report Post »P8riot
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 3:09pmcontinued:
9 We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.
Report Post »10 We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.
11 We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
12 We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
13 We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.
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MammalOne
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 3:14pmCan I have my own planet now?
Report Post »LemonyFresh
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 3:18pmDo Mormons believe that Jesus is the ONLY son of God? Some say that Mormons believe that Jesus and Satan are brothers. That goes against what the Bible states.
Report Post »JiminOrlando
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 3:33pmCongratulations, you speak with just as much conviction as a Jim Jones follower. By the way you forgot to put false in front of Joseph’s name.
Report Post »deeberj
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 3:48pmThe tenets of faith say nothing about Jesus being God, come to earth in man’s form, fully God and fully man, who lived without sin, died for our sins, descended into hell where he stayed for 3 days, ascended into heaven. That is the problem that Christians have with the Mormon faith. They do not believe Jesus is God.
But I will still vote for a Mormon over a Muslim.
Report Post »isur5ed
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 3:48pmLemony . . . Jesus is the ONLY BEGOTTEN of the father. You and I, are children of God too, though not begotten in the flesh. We are His spirit children. 1/3 of the Hosts of Heaven were cast down from heaven. These included Satan and other of God’s spirit children who revolted against God. A song from the Mormon‘s children’s songbook says:
I Lived in Heaven
I lived in heaven a long time ago, it is true.
Lived there and loved there with people I know, so did you.
Then Heavenly Father presented a beautiful plan.
All about Earth and Eternal Salvation for man.
Father said he needed someone who had enough love
To give his life so we all could return there above.
There was another who sought for the honor divine
Jesus said, “Father send me, and the glory be thine.”
Jesus was chosen, and as the Messiah he came
Conquering evil and death through his glorious name
Giving us hope of a wonderful life yet to be
Home in that heaven where Father is waiting for me.
Lemony – hope that answers your doctrinal question. If you have more questions ask a mormon neighbor.
Report Post »StanO360
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 5:17pm2 We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam’s transgression.
3 We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
8 We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
Of course, no mention of who Christ is, is made. But “faith alone” is historical Christianity. And Sola Scriptura is the standard.
Report Post »P8riot
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 6:30pm@DEEBERJ – I applaud you for looking past theological differences in determining who gets your precious vote. As for our doctrinal differences, yes, I do not refute that we believe differently regarding the Trinity. That is definitely one of the big differences between traditional Christianity and the doctrine of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. As the first Article of Faith states, “We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.” Thus, we believe that Jesus Christ is literally the Son of God and therefore not the same personage. If you would like biblical scriptures showing why we believe the way we do, I’ll be happy to provide such. Otherwise, I’m happy to agree that we disagree :)
Report Post »P8riot
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 6:36pm@STANO360 – I’m sorry, but you seem to have skipped #1. That clearly states that we believe Christ to be the Son of God the Eternal Father. For a more detailed explanation on who we believe Christ to be, here is what it says in our Bible Dictionary:
“Christ. The anointed (Gk.) or Messiah (Heb.). Jesus, who is called Christ, is the firstborn of the Father in the spirit and the Only Begotten of the Father in the flesh. He is Jehovah, and was foreordained to his great calling in the Grand Councils before the world was. He was born of Mary at Bethlehem, lived a sinless life, and wrought out a perfect atonement for all mankind by the shedding of his blood and his death on the cross. He rose from the grave and brought to pass the bodily resurrection of every living thing and the salvation and exaltation of the faithful.
He is the greatest Being to be born on this earth—the perfect example—and all religious things should be done in his name. He is Lord of lords, King of kings, the Creator, the Savior, the God of the whole earth, the Captain of our salvation, the Bright and Morning Star. He is in all things, above all things, through all things, and round about all things; he is Alpha and Omega, the first and the last; his name is above every name, and is the only name under heaven by which we can be saved.
He will come again in power and glory to dwell on the earth, and will stand as Judge of all mankind at the last day.”
Hope this helps :)
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Report Post »P8riot
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 6:41pm@JIMINORLANDO – Sorry, but that really doesn’t deserve a response. However, I do hope that you will one day get to know a member of my faith in an attempt to understand us better. It requires much sacrifice to be a member of the Church of Jesus Christ – we therefore do not blindly follow in a cultish manner. For each of the millions of people who choose to join our faith each year, we always tell them not to believe anything we say until they have prayed about it and receive personal revelation from our Father in Heaven on what to believe. If you believe such to be cultish, then I guess any religion would qualify. Have a great day!
Report Post »P8riot
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 6:47pm@ISUR5ED – That was such a great answer! I often need to remember to go back to the basics. My favorite song from childhood is also found in the Children’s Songbook – page 78.
I’m trying to be like Jesus;
I’m following in his ways.
I’m trying to love as he did, in all that I do and say.
At times I am tempted to make a wrong choice,
But I try to listen as the still small voice whispers,
Love one another as Jesus loves you.
Try to show kindness in all that you do.
Be gentle and loving in deed and in thought,
For these are the things Jesus taught.
I’m trying to love my neighbor;
I’m learning to serve my friends.
I watch for the day of gladness when Jesus will come again.
I try to remember the lessons he taught.
Then the Holy Spirit enters into my thoughts, saying:
Love one another as Jesus loves you.
Try to show kindness in all that you do.
Be gentle and loving in deed and in thought,
For these are the things Jesus taught.
Thanks!
Report Post »brother_ed
Posted on May 15, 2012 at 12:25am@P8RIOT
Admirable argument, however, I have learned a long time ago not to waste my time with people who are not seeking truth. You can cite all the chapters and verses that support the Church, but they have neither eyes to see, nor hears to hear. Their sole interest is to promote the misinformation they have heard from their preachers or the ‘anti’ books sold in their Christian bookstores.
There are 2 mega churches in my area that spend a lot of time spewing hatred regarding our faith. I run into members all the time. I just smile and move on.
The most disheartening thing is the fact that these people don’t even see the anti-Christian behavior they are engaging in.
I have found it best not to cast my pearls before swine.
Some people are so uncomfortable in their faith that they have to tear down the faith of others.
They think they are doing Latter Day Saints a favor by ‘saving’ them. And there is nothing we can say to dissuade them.
Report Post »P8riot
Posted on May 15, 2012 at 11:35amHi BROTHER_ED –
I agree with your sentiments. There are certain people that post here that I have given literally hundreds of biblical scriptures over the course of our conversations, yet they refuse to even agree that our doctrine is biblically sound – let alone see the truth. There is one in particular that has been so crass and blind to the truth, that I’ve actually had to give them the scriptures of milk before meat and not casting my pearls before swine. I guess some are simply ‘spiritual vegetarians’ :) Some are even ‘spiritually lactose intolerant’ – ha. I guess the reason I even reply to some of these guys who obviously just want to disparage Christ’s Church, is that I hate to have a post sitting there filled with falsities and lies, then have a sincere person read it and assume there is any truth to it as it went unchallenged.
Report Post »brother_ed
Posted on May 15, 2012 at 3:10pmWell said.
I was not lecturing you, I hope you understand that. I was in a particularly contentious mood yesterday and was actually jabbing the evangelical crowd. I regret that.
You’re a good man. Keep battling. Others who read and don’t comment may be interested in what you have to say, even if the haters don’t care. The tone of your comments is in stark contrast to those of your agitators.
Report Post »MammalOne
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 2:52pmJesus running for president? I think Robertson has completely disengaged from reality. Poor, senile old man.
Report Post »She_Urkel
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 9:52pmIf Jesus ran for president, He’d probably get crucified again.
Report Post »TeaPartyForRomney
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 2:48pmDid you see it?
RON PAUL IS OUT… ( http://tiny.cc/3dabew )
I hope Romney picks up a Paul, Ron or Rand, even Ron over the Treasury would be interesting. Even as an adviser.
Report Post »MammalOne
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 2:54pmNow, the choice is yours, America: A progressive christian or a progressive mormon.
Vote business-as-usual 2012!
Report Post »TeaPartyForRomney
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 3:11pmSorry is no Progressive, his record in Massachusetts proves it. And Obama is no Christian, look at his faith based decisions, that is not Christianity.
You are wrong on both parts.
Report Post »MammalOne
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 3:17pm“I think people recognize that I’m not a partisan Republican; that I’m someone who is moderate; and that my views are progressive.”
- Mitt Romney, 2002 (running for Mass. governor)
Obama isn’t a christian? Are you saying you know what he believes? His actions and beliefs are incongruent, as are many christians.
Report Post »deeberj
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 3:53pmmamalone – Obama was raised as a Muslim as a child. As far as we can tell by what he says, he became a Christian as an adult, in a left leaning black liberation theology church, which is Christian but off in many ways. He stopped going to church as soon as he went to the White House.
My guess is that he went to that church for political reasons. Once he made president he didn’t need to anymore.He is surrounded by Muslims he has appointed. I think he may be one.
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 4:10pm@tea
I am guessing you dont understand what a progressive is.
Here answer these questions for me.
1. Romney slams Obama over spending, then he puts out a budget that doesnt cut current spending. How is that not progressive.
2. Romney has stated that gun control laws keep citizens safe. How is that not progressive?
3. Romney stated while running for governor that he was for keeping the existing law on abortion. Why do you think he wouldnt do the same as president?
4. Romney like Obama are both funded by the same big banks. Does that not throw any red flags out saying its going to be business as usual?
5. Romney was pro TARP and bailouts. Is that not progressive?
6. Romney supports the NDAA and the Patriot Act. Does freedom not mean anything to you?
Oh and then of course there is Romney saying his views are progressive.
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Ithrewitontheground
Posted on May 14, 2012 at 6:05pmlearn to read
Report Post »MammalOne
Posted on May 15, 2012 at 3:09pmDEEBER
Report Post »w/e, a progressive (maybe) muslim/christian vs. a progressive mormon. The important point is not the religion part….