‘Clearly Not the Poor’s Fault if They are Poor’: Georgetown Priests and Protesters Attack Ryan and Budget
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The intersection of faith and politics has become quite contentious in recent days. The secular and the conservative seem as at war within the congregation as they are within congress. And as the government encroaches more intimately into one’s healthcare and pocket book, matters of faith are co-opted by default. Gay marriage, birth control, prayer, mosques, God and guns are a topic of daily battle, from both sides.
The question of where and how a nation spends its money has become a moral one, and that issue may predictably be the epoch of our era. On April 26th, a bitter political budget battle was turned into a question of faith on the campus of Georgetown University. Father Thomas Reese, a fellow of the Woodstock Theological Center at Georgetown, drafted a letter to upcoming speaker Rep. Paul Ryan, who is a devout Catholic. The letter condemned Ryan’s fiscally conservative budget as “decimating the poor“ and harshly accused the Budget Chairman of ”misuse of Catholic teaching.”
The language and explicitness of the letter, drafted by this member of the clergy, brought on immense criticism from both sides. Ryan’s speech went on, but protesters showed up. Inside and out, the message was clear, “Paul Ryan is not a good Catholic.” The Blaze was there for the Ryan speech and the protest that ensued. We could not help ourselves but ask the burning question, “What makes Paul Ryan a bad Catholic?”
Watch the perplexing responses below:
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Just in time
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 12:47pmI am poor, and yes it is my fault. Not very flattering, but it is the truth. Bad choices, missed opportunities, etc. etc.
Report Post »marhee9
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 12:58pmRight on, and with that attitude I am sure you will turn things around. The people that blame everyone else for their shortcomings have ensured their own continued situation.
Report Post »http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R83lXxK_8SI
Mil-Dot
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 1:03pmNow nothing against you my freind, but you are correct, if you are poor, it is your fault. You cannot sit around and wait for life to hand you freebees. If you do, your life will suck. I will be the first one to give a truely needy person the shirt off my back. A person that through no fault of their own needs help or cannot help themselves. But, it will be a cold day in hell before I give an able bodied person Jack Squat.
Report Post »Detroit paperboy
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 1:41pmSorry, smokin crack and drinking malt liquor all day makes you poor, it is their fault……The Lord helps those , who help themselves…….and waking up before noon, is a good start……
Report Post »guntotinsquaw
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 1:45pmI have to ask, just how much do one of those Cathedrals cost? The Catholic Church should give it all to the poor.
Report Post »hidden_lion
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 2:03pmOf course the poor can’t be expected to make something of themselves. How can anyone demand they motivate themselves to succeed? How unfair, life is hard, etc….
Report Post »This is why liberal society sucks. They claim to believe in evolution, but they refuse to let nature take it’s course. We need a new national holiday, call it International punch a liberal in the nose day. After a few years they might figure it out.
ACLUHater
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 2:09pmThese priests should shut their mouths and stay out of political agendas.
Report Post »johnjamison
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 2:13pmExactly if someone squanders the free education giving to them and then drops outs they have no one to blame but themselves for their ignorance.
Report Post »If a young girl decides to have child to collect a government check and then gets caught in the welfare trap she has no one to blame but herself.
If someone does drugs and can’t pass a urine test to get a job they have no one to blame but themself.
If someone wants to party all night and can‘t get up at dawn’s crack and go to work they have no one to blame but themself.
THIS LIST GOES ON AND ON
Fact must of the poor aren‘t poor because of their lack of capital THEY’RE POOR BECAUSE OF THEIR POOR CHOICES
MONICNE
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 2:15pmEveryone who knows Representative Ryan tell us he is a great guy, and just like Ayn Rand is dedicated to improving life for all of us Americans and not just the poor. How do we know how many poor there are? Measure the number of citizens who qualified for various taker benefits.
One way to reduce the number of people who are getting welfare benefits is to raise the bar and cut the budget. When there are less beneficiaries therefore there are fewer poor folk! Fair is fair, after all, that is the same way O’Bummer makes unemployment numbers go lower!
At least Rep. Ryan is not using the Class Warfare language of the Occupy Movement to talk about how “working people” need to be able to find and get good paying jobs!
meanwhile, the wacko “sequester crowd” are trying to cut the programs the poor depend on the most in order to cut the deficit, but sequestration directly reduces Military spending and indirectly reduces exemptions available for tax-paying millionaires.
Rep. Ryan knows Defense and Millionaires are the only Job Creators you can trust in a recession, because 99% of small businesses in Wisconsin are S corporations.
OMG2013
Report Post »HKS
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 2:55pmIs someone here calling “Poor” a natural disaster, a dreaded disease or some affliction out of the recipients control? If so they had better look into the mirror and quickly catch a glimpse of the dumbest man alive. Priceless.
Report Post »koyettsu
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 3:01pmI hate to say it but a guy who has pulled himself out of being poor yeah it sure as hell was my own fault. I accepted mediocrity my entire life, as a result I had a mediocre life. I decided I was done with it, I decided I would work my way out of my situation, I made myself successful.
Report Post »Drives Like Jehu
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 3:16pmIn the Fourth Commandment, God gave a cyclical formula to live by; i.e., every seven days people should WORK for six days and then REST on the seventh day NOT lay around seven days living off the labors of others in spite of the incessant wailings and gnashings of the libbie/pinko/progressive/fascist/socialist/commies to the contrary.
Exodus 20:8-11 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Report Post »usedCZARsalesman
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 3:49pmJUST…thank you for that comment. I am in your shoes as well. Squandered opportunity and poor choice has me now a 30 year old father of 5 that struggles to live off 24K a year. However, if these frauds that claim to care only about the poor have their way…people like you and I will never know ANYTHING but poverty and neither will our children. I am SO SICK of the morons claiming they are looking out for/SPEAKING FOR me. I don’t take a single dollar of govn money and I will continue to work my a$$ off (now that I have GROWN UP) until I am counted with those that OWS hates so much. I wonder how many OWSers dream nightly (as I do) to be the same people they are protesting against some day? Then the mindless drones go right back at it.
Report Post »mycomet123
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 4:13pmThere are some people that work hard & live paycheck to paycheck & barely make ends meet, & any one of several unexpected “emergiences” (i.e., car needs to be fixed, plumbing needs repairs, medical bills, etc.) sets them into financial distress. I use to work homehealth care for a toddler who had severe MD & whose parents both worked hard. The parents were told they would be better off financially to quit their jobs & go on government assistance & they refused to. So before you go sterotying everyone into categories please realize that your being unfair to some.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 4:50pmYou gave yourself away again MORACNE/SLEAZY HIPPO…”tell us he’s a great guy”? More groupthink MOREACNE/SLEAZY HIPPO? Everything seems to be a mob or group to you MOREACNE/SLEAZY HIPPO..never an individual. And of course..that’ just how you lefties are taught..to be a mob, a group.
Report Post »Ok…”fair’s fair” in light of the fact that you have so many screennames at the Blaze, when you say “us” you could just as well be referring to your multiple personalities. But you never stray from inciting or invoking mobs and herds do you MOREACNE/SLEAZY HIPPO?
In your unguarded moments you always think in terms of groups and mobs, you’ll always invoke or incite or appeal to groups and mobs. I feel very sorry for you, clearly you’re the product of prolonged and concentrated indoctrination.
Patrick Henry II
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 5:47pmPriests can be commie idiots too. This proves it.
Report Post »as_mad_as_hell
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 5:55pmI hear you, as I am in the same boat. Interesting how my fellow Caholics in the U.S. are eager to criticize conservatives, but “Catholic” abortion and gay marriage supporters like Pelosi and Biden get a pass. I guess the church, too, like the media and academe, has a double standard in this regard.
Report Post »MAMMY_NUNN
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 8:48pmThose Preist who hold that view usually coddle the illegals and practice a little pedophilia.
Report Post »johnjamison
Posted on May 11, 2012 at 10:06ammycomet123,
Report Post »There was a time when the largest expense housing was affordable,just like education, and that time was before the government got involved with it. The house I currently own was purchased by the previous owner in 1980 for 30,000 it is now worth 130,000 despite being 32 years older. This effect was caused by Federal market intrusion,and local government intrusion. I understand that alot of hardworking people are poor and living paycheck to paycheck however the reason they are poor is the government and somehow the government now the government wants to be the the solution the crisis the government caused. And their solution is createing another crisis.
Mtroom
Posted on May 11, 2012 at 10:44amWhat is “poor” .. Is it a money thing? Is it a material thing?.. Because I have never considered myself “poor” even though I don’t make a lot of money, or have fancy things.. I have what I earned and live happy with what I have… Poor is not something that enters into my life for the riches of life is what I make it.. I have a wonderful family, a roof over my head, and some change in my pocket… It’s all I need.. If I feel I need something more, I find away to earn it.. For someone else to decide if I am rich or poor, is a judgement… No one has the right to declare what I have is not enough, because that is impossible for them to know… This Father Thomas Reese and his students are trying to claim it’s not the “poor’s fault that they are poor” .. Well Father Reese you are correct in my mind… It is your fault Father Reese, for your failure to teach.. How dare you to teach those you call gods children that rich is rich and poor is poor, without explaining the true facts of what they are… Father Reese, you and your BMW are judging people and you should be ashamed. I bet he has a Madonna Cd in his car stereo… Gimme a break Father Reese.
Report Post »getalong
Posted on May 15, 2012 at 3:29pm90% of poor people are poor because of the choices they make. Giving people everything for free only encourages them to live the same lifestyle because, God forbid, if they work they will lose all the free, free, free. The welfare system is a trap to keep the poor under the government’s control. It makes me sick when I hear the lies spewed by liberals about how they are trying to care for the poor by giving them more free stuff. It is degrading and goes along with their philosophy that individual life does not matter.
Report Post »dannyo
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 12:47pmthe underserved are overserved, thus their lack of dignity..
Report Post »Athinkerinaseaoflibs
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 12:43pmJust how is it compassion for the poverty pimps to hook more and more people on the dole? The government uses the same model for personal imprisonment as do the drug dealers. They get them started and then make the rules such that they will never be weaned off that teat. BHO uses the number of people he has enslaved on various government programs as measure of success. The more slaves he has, the more successful he considers himself.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 3:22pmIs it the Fault of the Smart that others are Less so? Is it the Fault of Luck that some get Rich and others are Poor? Is it the Fault of Nature that the Seasons cause the Growing to Die? Is it the Fault of GOD that People do Die?
Deal with Reality!
Report Post »NOBALONEY
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 12:43pmPerversion of ‘Social Justice’ concept.
Report Post »Joisey
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 12:41pmThis isn’t Catholicism, its Marxism. The first big tip off is the moronic idea that the poor are blameless for their condition. This is, in the vast majority of cases, a complete lie. The truth is that our individual lifestyle choices matter a great deal in whether we end up poor or not.
And how are we defining “poor” these days, anyway? Compared to anywhere else in the world, our ‘poor’ live fabulous lifestyles with subsidized housing, food, clothing. Our poor own TV’s, cell phones, computers, cars, and most other consumer items coveted around the world.
Report Post »Baikonur
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 1:03pm@Joisey
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 12:41pm
‘the moronic idea that the poor are blameless for their condition. This is, in the vast majority of cases, a complete lie.’
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I beg to differ from personal experience. Until I was in my late 30′s, I was very very poor, even though I worked full time, went to college part time, and took care of my children. My ‘condition’ was caused by divorce.
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‘And how are we defining “poor” these days, anyway? Compared to anywhere else in the world, our ‘poor’ live fabulous lifestyles’
Why would you compare fellow Americans to Third World poor? I think I know–because to business owners in the US outsourcing labor to another country so they can pay programmers 1/4th of what they pay in the US is just a smart business decision, right?
Report Post »Jeff f.
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 2:46pmI have no idea why you got divorced but whether it was neglect of the marriage, choices made while being married or just choosing the wrong spouse to begin with, our choices lead us down specific paths.
There are very few paths to becoming ‘poor’ that do not involve some choices we have made in our lives.
Report Post »usedCZARsalesman
Posted on May 11, 2012 at 12:37pmDing ding ding! Thank you JEFF. So sick of that “it wasn’t ME, it was someone else!” crap. No matter WHAT your reason for being below the poverty line (since what constitutes “poor” is up for discussion), it is YOUR FAULT in one way or another…no way around it
Report Post »Blazebanned
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 12:41pmThat video just proves, that insanity knows now bounds. It also proves, the the cancer of communism has infected every aspect of life in this country,my question is, when are we going to get rid of this cancer permanently, once and for all?
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 12:39pmHeh, heh, heh……….oh, are you with the BLAZE?
Glad to see he knows what the “Blaze” is.
But Glenn is irrelevant………..is’nt he????????????
Report Post »moussiagilda
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 12:31pmNothin’ makes Paul Ryan a bad anything. Why do you want to talk about him so much? Why? You people.
I expect to go home on Saturday. I have nerve damage in my thumb and some other places from breaking my humerus — just too adorable. But I keep telling everyone I’d rather lose my arm than lose my soul. And somehow they think that’s a silly thing to say
Let my Glenn Beck go…
Report Post »Baikonur
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 12:30pmThe Blaze once again picks and chooses which Catholic or Judaic concept fits best into its twisted agenda. When Catholics are against contraception and abortion, and Israel hints that it wants to pre-emptively bomb Iran, the Blaze loves Catholics and Jews.
But when Catholics and American Jews speak out for basic human rights and dignity of every human being, no matter how poor, what Glenn has taught you to deride as ‘social justice’ as if that was a bad thing, you guys go from zero to sixty against the Georgetown priests and American Jewish intellectuals like Chomsky.
Report Post »Mil-Dot
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 1:22pmLook dude, Glenn does not “teach” me anything. If you are an adult with a brain, you should already have concepts of right and wrong in your brain. This MYTH, that people don’t already have opinions about subjects and that they are just waiting for somebody to tell them what to think is laughable. It ain’t happening my friend. I personally thing Glen is off base on many things, and most Blazers are here for the “community of Blazers”, not to be schooled by Beck. Wake up prog. Before it is too late for you.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 1:28pmOoops, sorry Mizz Rose,
That should have been “an”, not “as”
Report Post »Iamnotanumber
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 2:28pmwell you have drank the Koolaid. Noam Chomsky!?!? Really??? Hes your inspiration? The socialist/anarcho-syndicalist Yaa as if he cares about the catholic perspective. Catholicism does not call for collective salvation, and respects the Jew‘s as God’s chosen people, denounces abortion and contraception. Any Priest, Bishop or Cardinal who says different is leading the flock astray…PERIOD! Yes it is happening, they are espousing humanism instead of the truth of the gospel. You obviously are in league with the “RED ZONE” Catholics who are out of whack from the core of the church like Father Flager.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 4:56pmBAIKONUR…your creepy channeling of Buffalo Bill from Silence of the Lambs is very telling.
Report Post »Then again…removing humanity from someone is a characteristic of the left isn’t it?
That’s why babies for instance are “blastocysts” or foetuses…it’s easier to kill a “foetus” or a “blastocyst” isn’t it?
My favourite is this one from Obama’s Czar of Science John Holdren in his book “Ecoscience”:
“Such a comprehensive Planetary Regime could control the development, administration, conservation, and distribution of all natural resources, renewable or nonrenewable…The Planetary Regime might be given responsibility for determining the optimum population for the world”.
“Optimum population for the world” BAIKONUR…I love how Holdren can write off millions of people with just a euphemism.
You know what BAIKONUR? I‘ll post a few more from Obama’s Czar of Science for you….
AvengerK
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 5:07pmHere‘s some more from Obama’s Czar of Science John Holdren for you BAIKIE….
Report Post »Again from Holdren’s book “Ecoscience”.
“All the children who are born, beyond what would be required to keep up the population to a desired level, must necessarily perish, unless room be made for them by the death of grown persons.”
I’ll let that one sink in a little BAIKIE….an American official supports forced abortion and the death of “grown persons.” and he believes the constitution gives him the power to do it. Look at that BAIKIE..with a few euphemisms, counltess numbers of Americans and other populations can be written off by these denizens of leftist academia. Oh and to show you just how accurate and on the money Holdren is…in the 1970′s he was a proponent of Global Cooling. Oops…silly Johnny it was the other around right? Yeah..I really want my life at the hands of leftist academics like John Holdren courtesy of Barack Obama.
I’ve got a lot more for you BAIKIE…believe me..Holdren and his ilk are gifts that keep on giving…
So please BAIKIE..bleat for me again…tell me how cold and detached Ryan is to the needs of “the poor” and how warm, nurturing and benign you lefties are.
hidden_lion
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 5:41pmBaikonur-
Report Post »As long as one person has one less bean than another, there will always be poor. You are responsible for your own success and your own failure. It is one thing to help someone down on there luck, it is totally another for the one down on their luck to demand someone help them. get off your a__ and dig yourself out. When others see you digging, they will pitch in of their own accord. that is called charity. When forced it is slavery.
kevymac
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 12:30pm“so what’s your alternate to capitalism?” uh, uh, uh. If your answer is Marxism, then your are really on the wrong side of religion. Marxism is atheism by definition.
Report Post »DesertRose1960
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 12:53pmAnd if someone asked you to articulate the complicated, intricate system you would put in place to replace “freemarket capitalism” in a few seconds, you would stumble, too. And you would also need to know where your audience was coming from to begin to know how to frame a convincing argument.
Report Post »Mark0331
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 1:08pm@TokyoRose….A system of economics that minimizes government intervention and maximizes the role of the market. According to the theory of the free market, rational economic actors acting in their own self interest deal with information and price goods and services the most efficiently. Government regulations, trade barriers, and labor laws are generally thought to distort the market….clear enough for you?
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 1:09pmNo Rose,
He answered right quick when asked if he wanted to get rid of free market capitalism.
If you are that against something, and have not yet thought out your stance, or positions to counter it, you “Just…..Might……Be…….An……..Idiot”
And you really should not have to craft your answer to fit your audience. That shows spinelessness.
State your positions clearly, and let the chips fall where they may.
But we can’t expect that from lefty lemmings now, can we?
Report Post »Mark0331
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 1:10pm@TOKYO ROSE…there is nothing better than or can replace the Free market system…nothing.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 1:11pmOh, and Rose,
An intelligent person would not want to replace free market capitalism in the first place.
But I digress.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 1:22pm@ROSE
It almost sounds as if you already have such an intricate and complicated system in mind.
Care to “articulate” it for us?
Or are you going to use the classic JZS comeback?……..“This is far to complicated as issue to discuss on a message board such as this that is not friendly to that type of discussion”
LOL
Report Post »DesertRose1960
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 1:32pm@Mark0331 Really, that’s what Alan Greenspan thought (another acolyte of Ayn Rand) up until the Great Recession in 2008. He looked dumbstruck when he had to explain the failure to Congress in 2009. He really didn’t get it.
@Rightsofbilly. I see you did really well in basic composition. You need to know where your audience is coming from so you can marshal the proper supporting facts and to pick a starting point. See, I had to go back to the 5th grade to explain that principle to you, that’s where you should have been introduced to the principle.
And to both of you, I would say that a regulated, mixed economy is far more efficient than an unregulated Free Market economy. Don’t believe me, then try studying the Industrial Revolution. The horrors of no workplace or product regulation, the abuse and destruction of workers and their families. The excesses of the “Robber Barons” who climbed the mangled bodies of the workers to sit on the tops of society. Well, maybe you won’t have to read about it, that is how our economy is going. The working stiffs are being eaten by the machinery once again.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 1:47pmSorry Teach,
I’m talking about having core principles and beliefs here. Not how to stick your finger in the air to determine what you are going to say depending on who you are saying it to.
The dork had no clue what to say, because he has no clue.
If you are going to be part of a “movement”, you should know why you are there, and be able to represent your sides position.
Again, be a man, speak your mind consistently. Do not worry about who is listening.
If your message is sound, it will resonate.
If not, it will become “OWS”
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 1:56pmAnd Rose,
Nobody is suggesting that we return to the dark ages, OK?
There is a middle ground when it comes to protections and laws against abuse.
But if you can not admit that we have traveled far beyond that middle ground, you are kidding yourself.
Report Post »kevymac
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 2:06pmDesertrose, you must be one of the economic advisers so often quoted by the Obama administration. When a free market becomes so “overregulated” the way it is today courtesy of all the volumes of regulations written by this administration, it becomes so complex, that none of you can figure out what to do, thus we end up with a stagnant economy like we have today. If you next choose to ignore and then demonize the Christian values that are at the core of a free market society then all you can hope for is further decline.
Report Post »DesertRose1960
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 2:47pm@Kevymac, Sorry, but I don’t happen to believe there is anything remotely “Christian” about the Free Market and Capitalism.
@Rightsofbilly, I didn’t say the Dark Ages, I said the Industrial Revolution, the 19th and 20th Centuries. You have no idea what the young man was going to say, you only heard what The Blaze wanted you to hear. He could have had a long and extensive presentation that ended up “on the cutting room floor”. We’ll never know. This video was edited and I am sure that the people doing the editing had no idea that the people who were there were informed and relatively articulate on Catholic Social Teaching.
I have very, very sound moral values. I don‘t stick my finger into the wind to see which way I’m supposed to blow. I always speak my mind and my principles. For that, I am frequently told to do some very rude things by the people here on this website. But I will NEVER be a MAN about it.
There were lots of principled people involved in OWS, I went to Zucotti Park and talked to a number of them. I also talked to quite a number of TeaCons when I went to the House Offices on March 20, 2010. I ran into quite a number of Foxbots, spouting the same tired, trite points with very little understanding of what they were really saying. Some of them got a really dumb look on their faces if you presented them with facts that contradicted their talking points. Some of them got very angry with me, especially when I whipped out my Constit
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 3:15pm@ROSE,
Go ahead, keep deflecting. I understand. It’s OK.
I wasn’t talking to you when I said be a “Man” We know you are not.
I was speaking to the dork in particular, but if you want to group yourself with him, that’s fine with me.
If it makes you feel better to think that his eloquent and well thought out response is laying on the cutting room floor, that’s OK too.
But I saw the “deer in the headlights” look in his eyes when he nervously tried to laugh it off.
Didn’t you see that too, teach?
Report Post »DesertRose1960
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 3:54pm@Mark, you’re the one deflecting. You haven’t said anything about my other points. You just fixate on that one. How would you handle someone sticking a camera in your face and asking you to articulate an answer on the spot? Yes, he was caught a bit flat-footed, but he wasn’t roadkill. Have anything to say about the other things I’ve posted, including the seven themes of Catholic Social Teaching, which is exactly where these people were coming from? What do you think about Adam Smith basing his work on a few guys in a pin factory around the time of the Declaration of Independence? And what about Dr. Greenspan’s remarks to Congress? (He had a very pained, run over deer’s look on his face.) What do you have to say about Reaganomics, which Bush41 called “VooDoo Economics”?
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 4:16pm@ROSE,
You’re talking to the wrong guy. I’m not Mark. I said you were deflecting.
And yes Rose, I do try to stay on topic and not let you change the subject.
The dork was not flatfooted when asked if he was against free market capitalism. He was quick and sure of himself when he blurted his answer. But when asked his ideas for an alternative?………well we all saw his response. Why was he not just as quick with an answer. Don’t give me that….stuck a camera in his face excuse. The camera had already been in his face for a long enough period that he felt comfortable in his answers, until confronted with the unthinkable question……..what would you do to change it?
Which brings us back to my first question of you, Rose.
Take some time, spread it out over many posts if needed, and lay out for us, in detail, your plan for the wonderful Marxist economy that you envision for us.
It helps to know something about that which you profess to know so much about
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 5:14pmRIGHTSOFBILLY…you’re a little behind…TOKYOROSE is now a government worker…in DC no less.
Report Post »I pointed out to her that the race hustlers called the black caucus accused the tea parties of spitting on them as the walked to vote on..sorry..for..Obamacare. Bringing in the police no less. An army of democrat sympathetic reporters, photographers and film crews were on hand but those magic loogies managed to evade every one of them. But wait…ROSIE says there’s a you tube video of a tea partier yelling at one of the caucusites and some spit may have sprung from his mouth while yellling..you can’t be certain though…wink. But it’s corroboration enough for ROSIE our fair minded unionista from DC.
Therightsofbilly
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 6:49pm@AVENGERK
DC? That‘s not a desert she’s blooming in.
Oh…….wait a minute……it could be a “food desert”
Rose, are there any grocery stores near you?
Report Post »DesertRose1960
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 7:19pm@Avengerk You’re a little behind the time, dude. Maybe I’m claiming to be a Government worker in the D.C. area because, you know I am one. Here is the link I was talking about:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmP4Gb2pEsY
My memory of the rally was very few actual reporters. The TV media is generally confined to doing stand-ups from rotunda in the Cannon Bldg, just down the hall from Rep John Lewis’ (D-GA) office. The Congressman in question was Emanuel Cleaver and his office issued a statement that was reported in the Washington Post. The Congressman is walking into the Cannon Bldg, so he was not going to vote. Here is a link to the WaPo article:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/20/AR2010032002556.html
@Righsofbilly, Okay. I will concede the young man didn‘t answer quickly and he didn’t give the best possible answer. I can‘t give you a detailed economic plan for a Marxist economy because I don’t want to live in one. I said we needed a mixed economy, with the representative government controlling essential services like transportation, health care, utility infrastructure, education and defense. The government could be mixed, local, state, and Federal. I do believe in private capital and private ownership, but some things are best left socialized. You don’t really want to pay the full cost of your utilites and transportation, do you? Do you want a bill from the Defense Department for your protection? And I believe in
Report Post »DesertRose1960
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 7:33pm@Rights, I did live in the desert for many years. I had a house surrounded by roses that bloomed ten months out of the year. I also lived in Asia for ten years and now I live within the Beltway. I was there on March 20, 2010. I heard the chants mentioned at the end of the WaPo article. You might also want to google “desert rose”, there is a type of crystal that is called a desert rose. My husband has a very large and well formed one. He brought me to the desert. I grew up in the Pacific Northwest, also famous for its roses. Poor Avengerk, he can’t understand how anyone might be telling the truth when they post.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 8:07pmSorry Rose,
Once I see you saying the government should control health care and education, you totally lose me and nothing else you say means squat.
What you describe is practically total government control.
What did you call that again?
I’d say that is far, far beyond what you claim to be a “mixed” economy.
Sorry Rose, but I side with AvengerK on this.
In my mind, anyone that champions the things that you do, should not be trusted.
Report Post »DemonaLyn
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 12:26pmIt all comes back to the econemy and the job market. Fix that first! Students are bitching about graduating with a debt. Most all collage stds. graduate with a debt. I know I did, and it took me a long time to pay it off, but I did pay it off without the gov. bailing me out. Really, does the American younger generation believe they all need a hand out to make it in life? Std loans are one of the lowest interest rate loans you can get and alot of times its over a 15 yr period which in turns makes for low payments. Work on getting jobs back and that would take care of alot of our problems in all the generation areas. America wants their jobs/econemy back and talking about gay rights and religion isnt gonna get it their any faster.
Ron Paul 2012
Report Post »Mil-Dot
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 1:26pmCollege does not really teach anything to kids except how to be Socialist commies. It is an indoctrination camp plain and simple. Let them suck eggs and wait in line for jobs because the crows are not leaving the workforce. They voted for Dem commies progs that have ruined this country so it is only fitting to let them eat crap. How do you little pinkos like communism now?
Report Post »Baikonur
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 1:38pm@Mil-Dot
Report Post »Posted on May 10, 2012 at 1:26pm
‘College does not really teach anything to kids except how to be Socialist commies. It is an indoctrination camp plain and simple. ‘
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Lol, now I undersand–Mil dot never managed to complete a university degree.
Gonzo
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 12:25pmPro abortion, pro gay marriage, pro government regulation on religious institutions Biden and Pelosi are GOOD Catholics? Grow up.
Report Post »TheSoundOf Truth
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 12:24pmThe government creates poor people.
The only way the government makes people “rich” is by back room, illegal deals, or if you game the system while serving in congress (see: Nancy Pelosi; Charles Rangle; Chris Dodd)
Report Post »andrewluck
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 12:22pmIt is amazing to listen to these people.They do not understand Paul Ryan’s budget and the demonstrate a lack of knowing the Bible. No where does it say the government is supposed to take care of our need. Jesus does say citizens and the Church should do so. Matthew 25:14-30, Psalm 41:1, Isaiah 58:7,10,Epehesians 4:28,Proverbs 31:20,Isaiah 1:17,romans 12:8.
With Joe Biden annuallydonating only 1% of his income to charity & Al Gore only donating $300 last year, Do you think these people should start with them and not Paul Ryan’s budget?
Report Post »MaxMagician
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 12:19pmEver notice that the wall of separation between church and state vanishes for the left as soon as they want to raise taxes?
Report Post »bccrane
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 12:34pmYes isn’t that amazing, the liberals cry out seperation of church and state and then call out a conservative because he is not letting the church rule in his governing of the state. This just shows that they just don’t know what they are saying and letting the mantra of “He‘s conservative so therefore he’s a very, very, bad guy”. Another thing can anyone please define “the poor”? I keep hearing about “the poor” but yet no one knows who they are.
Report Post »superSTARBLAZER
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 12:18pmThese ‘Catholics’ and Father Thomas Reese absolutely do not reflect the actual views of the Roman Catholic Church, not at all. It’s just another example of the left co-opting and distorting the truth and attempting to use it to their own political end. This will be especially difficult to answer for on judgement day…
Report Post »bumfuzeled
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 12:18pmThese people are as offensive and uneducated as the Westboro Baptists
Report Post »thegreatcarnac
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 12:14pmThe Catholic Church better decide where they stand. Then they had better start cleaning up their prisethood and it’s beliefs. They need to get rid of their ‘radicals’ and their leftist. They had better cleanse their Universities and become a Church of the free-west again.
Report Post »MAULEMALL
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 12:14pmI wonder how they feel about the fact that obama wants to murder babies in the womb…
When the church started condoning the murder of kids as a convenience they lost ALL credibility…
Why haven’t they excommunicated EVERY pro murder Sen or Congressman
Report Post »Vladia
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 12:12pmTypical liberal-brainwashed college students.
Report Post »JGraham III
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 12:42pmHere we go again with the blatant mis-use of scripture to further a political adjenda. Too many in the Roman Catholic Church have used this argument about the poor to (in my opinion) justify their rule over those whom they see as “poor”. God forbid that someone should come along and try to set the ‘poor’ free by making a way out for them. “Blessed are the poor…“ a more accurate translation from the aramaic would read ”blessed are the humble in pride”.. I tire of the constant attempts to co-opt Jesus Christ and His work to further some political movement or adjenda. It simply shows that the perpetrators of such are far more ignorant of the Truth than previously expected and far more sinister than those they accuse. First, who said Jesus was poor? What happened to all the gifts given Him at his birth? Secondly Joseph was a carpenter, although I have read that he was a “master carpenter”, which we would call an architect today. Not a base or low position. Thirdly, the Lord’s earthly uncle was one Joseph of Arimathea who was very wealthy. He owned tin mines in Britain and sold to the Roman empire.
Report Post »Jesus himself said, “the poor you will always have, but me you will not always have”. Clearly He didn’t include himself in the number of the poor. The RC clergy accusing Mr Ryan of not being a “good catholic” should answer first this: Why is it that among the poorest nations of the earth, nearly all of them are dominated by the Roman Catholic church? Physician heal th
IMCHRISTIAN
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 12:11pmHow do you separate the really poor from those that draw unemployment instead of excepting a job?
Report Post »marine249
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 12:47pmyou can”t
Report Post »IDONTTHINKSO
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 12:09pmExplain, who’s fault is it then?
Report Post »Mark0331
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 1:12pmGeorge Bushs’….
Report Post »PrfctlyFrank
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 2:48pmOne of the beauties of living in a free society is that you are not assigned to, nor constrained by, class. One of the most effective recruiters to the ranks of the poor, is government intervention to prevent poverty. The fact of the matter is, some people are born with ambition, others are not. Some people are born with vast intelligence. Some people are not. And true some are born with money and others are not. Let me know when you can control how much ambition, how much intelligence, how much opportunity, each of us has and then we’ll talk about taking from the rich to give to the poor. people who have chosen to do those things in life that either cause their own poverty, or prevent them from opportunity, would do the same thing if they had money. Very soon they would be poor again. If you want to know a little bit about the consequence of choices and lessons learned from that then I suggest you watch the MS NBC channel when the program, “lockup,” is on over the weekend and what you’ll find is that there are people all over the place by the thousands that are never capable of learning a darn thing. How much of my each do you want to give them?
Report Post »There are always going to be poor people. And yes sometimes those people are going to be victims of society or someone else. But until you drop your stupid signs and pick up some tool to help these people, I don’t want to hear it.
Teabunny
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 12:07pmand so…the War on religion continues…. so, now the hierarchy will have to get involved. (sigh)
Report Post »john654
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 12:05pmAnytime Father Thomas Reese is around run for you spiritual life! He is a social justice nut!
John
Report Post »dblaess
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 12:01pmIt is amazing that Georgetown priests and students could read Paul Ryan‘s bill to make comment but couldn’t read Obama care to make comment. Either Paul Ryan’s bill is shorter, written for people to read and understand, or the Georgetown priests and students just got the DNC talk point fax and went with that. Might be interesting to see what Mr. Ryan’s bill contained, budget wise, vs. the Obama (Senate) budget bill.
Report Post »DesertRose1960
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 1:39pmThe full text of the Ryan Budget is here:
http://paulryan.house.gov/Issues/Issue/?IssueID=56750
The full text of Obamacare is here:
Report Post »http://www.healthcare.gov/law/full/