What Role Will Gary Johnson Play in the Election?
- Posted on August 18, 2012 at 10:38pm by
Becket Adams
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Former New Mexico Governor Gary Johnson probably won’t win the presidential election this year — but that’s not to say he won’t have an effect on its final outcome.
Johnson, who briefly participated in the Republican presidential primaries before switching over to the Libertarians, is polling at about 5 percent nationwide, according to Fox News. However, despite a poor showing in nationwide polls, he does have some pull in key battleground states, including New Mexico, Colorado, Arizona, and Nevada.
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“He was rating at 13 percent in New Mexico and 9 percent in Arizona in recent polling — not enough to win, but certainly enough to disadvantage whichever major-party candidate he’s drawing votes away from,” Joseph Weber writes for FoxNews.com.
The Johnson campaign has recognized this as a definite possibility.
“Libertarian Presidential Candidate Gov. Gary Johnson Could Deprive Mitt Romney of 5 battleground states, 74 Electoral Votes, 27% of the Electoral Votes needed to win in 2012,” The Libertarian Party said in an email earlier this week.
Although no one can say for certain what, if any, effect Johnson will have on the election, we can look to historical examples to see how this might play out.
“In 1992, third-party candidate Ross Perot won roughly 19 percent of the popular vote, which many people think cut into GOP incumbent George H.W. Bush’s take and put Democratic candidate Bill Clinton in the Oval Office with just 43 percent of the vote,” Webers writes.
True, Johnson isn’t even close to having the type of support Perot did, but considering the fact that former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney and President Obama are only separated by a single digit in a few battleground states, Johnson’s 5 percent might be enough to turn a state blue or red.
But here’s something else: Unlike Perot, some analysts believe Johnson’s run has the potential to damage both Republicans and Democrats. While most think Romney will bear the brunt of Johnson’s campaign, the left-leaning Public Policy Polling believes the Libertarian candidate will hurt President Obama in Colorado.
“He’s going to be a problem for somebody, somewhere,” writes political strategist and Fox News contributor Joe Trippi. “We don’t yet know which candidate he might harm the most … both campaigns should be looking over their shoulders at that guy almost nobody is talking about.”
But all polling numbers and speculation aside, Libertarian Party executive director Carla Howell maintains that Johnson is a legitimate candidate for the highest office in the country and not just some guy who might affect the other candidates.
“This is an election between two very similar candidates … Gary Johnson is a real choice for what people really care about,” she said.
“He stands for a lot of things that a lot of people want,” she added.
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Comments (505)
watersRpeople
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:38pmOf course. You want a test! You want a test of power and accuracy. Yet, yet, if you get that test done, and it’s off by even 1 fraction of a second, you will say: it was off. And if I hit it right on the dot – you’ll become dead in spirit saying “Hollywood.” So how do I win? I win, only by your faith.
Report Post »Sirfoldallot
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 12:36pmWho the H. is Gary Johnson ?
Report Post »Brother Winston Smith
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 12:52pmA Ron Paul Tampa nomination makes the Johnson question goes away, because the GOP will have swept up all of his voters with Paul… NEVER FOR ROMNEY… ONLY PAUL. But if the LEFTIST GOP CHEAT-nominates LEFTIST Romney… Obama IS GUARANTEED REELECTION. Using the same split-the-vote “better evil” SCAM they did… TO ELECT HIM IN 08!
Report Post »Sirfoldallot
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 1:20pm@ justangry – R u & indivdualism a union couple ?
Report Post »Sirfoldallot
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 1:34pmPS – do u 2 hold hands as u 2 skate board ?
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 1:41pmI’m with SIRFOLDALLOT!
Report Post »PutMoreOnMyPlate
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 2:26pmSo since I found out the DHS Mandate was mandatory and I started paying attention (yes so selfish I don’t want to pay for the death of preborn infants so get over it) I have found what this country as a whole lacks. And has been lacking for a long time. And that’s personal responsibility. I have it in myself that I will not vote for Romney. I find his policies disgustingly similar to Obama’s and I will not be responsible for continuing America down that road. So on a personal level I will not vote for Romney just because he knows how to throw money around. That’s a trend that brought us here to begin with. I will vote for Ron Paul if given the chance or Gary Johnson or both. Because dammit this election is a farce. If everyone knows that you can’t get elected without the financial backing of the elites (whatever you want to call them) then why the hell would you vote for someone that has a lot of campaign money to begin with? ABObama is the lousiest excuse to vote for Romney. As for me I’m anyone but the Fed. I will take that stand because I don’t want to hear it later when people start complaining about the Fed. I don’t care about winning and realize that if you vote for Romney, you did it to yourself. I just don’t want to hear the excuses.
Report Post »iblvingd
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 3:30pmPeople need to get a grip on what and how they want to live in the very near future. A vote for Johnson or R Paul maybe the key to give it to Obama. The US will become just like the country Obamas brother lives in. Like George Obama said, all there is, is wars in his country and they don’t know why. They know they never will live any better. This is the Obama dream for the US. Believe it…. there will be wars in the US when it falls apart!
All people should see the Obama2016 movie whether they like him or not!
Report Post »justangry
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 4:47pm@Sirfoldalot, Don’t be a d*ck.
@Iblvingd, All the GOP has to do to make most of us happy is restore the Constitutional rights they took away. They had no right to do it in the first place. Besides, it’s not like this is a shock to anyone. We said we weren’t going to vote for more of the same long before the primaries. I think too many RNC people thoght we were bluffing, so it’s their fault not ours. We’re not even welcome in the party.
Report Post »PutMoreOnMyPlate
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 5:09pmAnd a vote for Romney for anything other than the principles YOU agree with is sheer cowardice.
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 8:33pmOnce again, JUST, the hero behind your movement remains a part of the GOP! I’ll keep repeating this as often as you keep bashing the party. Either you or Ron Paul is a hypocrite.
Report Post »justangry
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 10:33pmCopatriots, The republican party sucks. It‘s filled with RINO’s and Neoconservatives. That doesn‘t mean there aren’t still a few members of the GOP that still believe in their principles. I think there’s about seven in Congress and three in the Senate. I’ve stated many times that I believe political parties are bad news for the country. If the 3rd parties became dominant they would wind up being corrupted too.
Report Post »Economist
Posted on August 20, 2012 at 9:37amFACT IS >>>>> WE ARE GOING OFF A CLIFF WITH EITHER OBAMA OR ROMNEY. It is too late to change course. We are looking at a currency collapse in the next few years. As soon as we loose our reserve currency status, our rates will spike and we will be TOAST.
First off. Romney is not going to stop the train from going off the cliff. His proposed spending cuts are way to mild and will probably compromise.
Given that a majority of the US public is very uneducated from an economic standpoint, they are very likely going to blame this collapse on the politics on who is currently in office. I think we can agree that neither Obama nor Romney are going enact measures that will prevent this collapse.
Therefore, we need to ask our selves the following: Do we want an economic collapse under an “Overt Socialist” i.e. Obama? Or do we want the collapse during the administration of a RINO that supposedly (at least in the minds of the ignorant US public) stands for Free Market Capitalism?
I am scared of a back lash against Free Market Capitalism if the Economic Collapse happens during Romney’s administration. This could very well lead to the government enacting much harsher economic controls and lead to a totalitarianism state.
But if the Economic Collapse happens during the Obama administration, then the US public will more likely see the actual writing on the wall and finally return to Free Markets.
Report Post »FatFreedom
Posted on August 20, 2012 at 11:17pmGary Johnson will be the only pro liberty, small Government candidate, as opposed to the Democrat Mitt or Obama.
Unless God gives us Ron Paul as the GOP nomination in which case Ron Paul will crush Obam. Please let it be O’God, if it br thy will.
Report Post »EBL
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:37pmJohnson will draw young voters, many who probably are probably leaning Obama but want an alternative to Romney. New Mexico is going Obama anyway. But it will be interesting to see how this plays out. Certainly Nader running got Bush elected in 2000, so in a close race it can have an impact.
BTW. Your electoral map needs updating: http://evilbloggerlady.blogspot.com/2012/08/if-presidential-election-were-held.html If the election were today, Romney Ryan win. But it is way too close for comfort!
Report Post »KidCharlemagne
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:32pmI like having more choices available to me….competition makes everything great.
For the life of me though, I can‘t figure out why today’s conservatives are opposed to competition and making more choices available to them. They just want to preserve the 1-party monopoly for some reason.
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:49pmI wish that if Paul doesn’t get the nomination in Tampa..that Paul could switch places with him and Paul could be the Libertarian contender with Johnson as the VP..A libertarian marine..Brandon Ruab was just taken into custody on the evening of August 15 for posting patriotic posts and is being held at a mental institution.. this is the video of them taking him in. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nt3H4I9_Zpo&feature=player_embedded
Report Post »This is an interview with his mom http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaE5zChbC5w&feature=player_embedded
This is one vid he had posted “Obama Administration refuses to answer judge as to whether NDAA is being enforced illegally. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaE5zChbC5w&feature=player_embedded
And this is a vid he had posted..The greatest speech ever made.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WibmcsEGLKo&feature=player_embedded
pissantno.10
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:51pmtry getting and education lay off the dope and you just might figure it out but i doubt it
Report Post »KidCharlemagne
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 12:00ampissantno.10
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:51pm
try getting and education lay off the dope and you just might figure it out but i doubt it
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See what I mean folks?….
pissantno.10 says that he is opposed to competition and free markets too!
Report Post »amerbur
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 2:11amHistory will write that you were responsible to the funtional loss of the American Dream. Goodby Miss American Pie, When the car was on the ledge, the Paul/Gary voters, pushed it over the edge – We will send our grandchilden to thank you for turning the lock on their chains.
Report Post »GodsavethePeasants
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 4:18amListen up, and take off your tinfoil hat. We DON”T ever want a make-all-criminals-and-dopers- legal candidate, nor one that thinks we can crawl in a hole and ignore the world. We do want many other choices, but they all got screwed in the primary with HELP FROM CRAZY OLD SELFISH TURD RON PAUL. He will NEVER be elected to any office outside his district, so you are just ****** in the wind. Saying you are only for Ron Paul even if it means an Obama victory does NOT make you smarter, cooler, or more a lover of the Constitution than the rest of us; it just puts the entire constitutional republic at risk.
Report Post »justangry
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 7:04am@GodSaves, As opposed to voting for fascists?
Report Post »Individualism
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 10:31amthe so called conservatives are either fascists or communists.
Report Post »American Soldier (Separated)
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 10:51amI believe putting Romney a RINO, CINO and non-liberty loving individual who will not fix anything yet when he fails to fix anything conservatism, constitutionality, free markets and capitalism will be blamed. It happened with bush and we got Obama. What hapPens when an even more liberal republican messes thIngs up like Bush? We got Obama the. What/who will we get this time…..
THAT is the real danger to our constitutional republic.
Report Post »Hugh Williams
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 11:25amI don’t just go to conservative sites I also go to sites like the Huff Po. I see the seething hate from the leftist but, I also see it from the right. KIDCHARLEMAGNE expressed an opinion and was personally attacked.
Report Post »AMERICAN SOLDIER is correct if Romney manages to win we will still have a RINO leftist as President. He will govern like Bush did and continue to take us down the progressive path of slavery. This election is meaningless people! If Obama wins we are screwed! If Romney wins we are screwed! Johnson has no chance of winning even with Paul as VP. Turn out the lights the party is over!
cykonas
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 11:35am@amerbur
You are correct on two of your points. But your analysis of the cause of the problem is flawed.
You are correct that America, and the American Dream, are perched on a precipice. You are also correct that establishment Republicans and conservatives will most likely attempt to scapegoat the independents including tea partiers, L(l)ibertarians, constitutionalists, and Ron Paul write in voters should they fail to gain the WH this year.
Here’s where I believe you are in error by positing what is a gross oversimplification. The greatest part of the blame lies with the establishment Republican Party and their arrogance. Since President Reagan left office the establishment has given us a lineup of Bush, Dole, Bush II, McCain, and now Romney. Progressives all; not one Constitutional Conservative in the bunch over the last 7 elections and 28 years. And if one really examines Reagans‘ record he fell short in several areas of Constitutional fidelity as well but was head and shoulders above any of the aforementioned R’s.
If your grandchildren show up at my house I am going to politely tell them that they should return to your home and ask you, “Dad/Mom, why in the name of all that is Holy, did you continue to support Progressives given the precarious position in which we found our Republic back then?”
I certainly hope you will have an acceptable answer for them. I can’t help you with that, though, because I sure as heck can’t figure it out. Peace
Report Post »helicop
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 11:42am@kidcharlemange
It’s not rocket science. It will take more votes from the republican candidate than the democrat candidate thereby almost ensuring that Obummer will have a better chance than Romney. I don’t care if you like Romney or not but he is better than the alternative. Johnson can’t win by any stretch of the imagination, so he only serves as a spoiler for the republicans.
Report Post »Hugh Williams
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 11:45amCYKONAS
Report Post »This is one of the best well thought out post I have ever seen! Well done!
cykonas
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 12:54pm@Hugh Williams
Thank you, Hugh. That is very kind of you to say. I read some frustration in your post above. It’s understandable. Please allow me to offer you this advice. Illegitimi non carborundum. (Rough Latin: Don’t let the bas+@%ds grind you down).
If your avatar picture is accurate I judge us to be of the same generation. We’ve lived through the decades of deceit and lies of both of the establishment parties. Most others on here haven’t. We know what America once was. We understand, first hand, the relation between personal freedom and personal responsibility. And we understand how both factions of the establishment duopoly are trying to replace personal responsibility with government dependence so that they can continue to steal our personal freedoms. We were educated much differently in Civics and the formational ideals of the United States.
We have to be like water on rock. Some will never get it. I’m confident that most will though, in time. I just hope I can hang around long enough to see it. Thanks again for your kind words, and continue fighting the good fight. Peace.
Report Post »Hugh Williams
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 12:55pmHelicop
Report Post »If the republican progressives win you still have won NOTHING! You are nothing more than the right wing fleas fighting with the left wing fleas to claim you own the dog. If the right wins or the left wins it is nothing more than a distraction, an illusion that your vote matters. Any real say or choice in our government the people have by voting ended years ago. People are waking up but it is too late. Last week the report came out showing over 100 million Americans (1/3 the total US population) get welfare in one form or another. Nearly ½ of adults pay no Federal income taxes. More people are on food stamps than ever in the history of our country. Do you seriously believe any of these people will risk their government goodies and vote for anybody but Obama?
Hugh Williams
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 1:10pmCYKONAS
Report Post »Thank you for your response. I am getting close to the big 60 and yes I am frustrated and saddened by the path the country I love is on. In years past I was a staunch Republican. I donated my money and my time to help Republican candidates win elections. Then in shock and horror I saw them behave just like the Democrats they replaced. I can still remember the excitement and pride I felt the night Ronald Regan won the Presidency. President Regan fought the good fight and fixed a lot of the things that had been wrong in our country for years. But since the great man left office the RNC has feed us a steady stream of RINO Progressive B.S. I am also saddened by the lack of common decency and civility too many people show to one another today. In the past we could disagree and still be civil. We had discussions and sometimes you would learn something from the other person that made you rethink your own position. Now both side are so entrenched the only thing then seem to know how to do is attack anything they don’t agree with or understand.
Thanks again for engaging in a discussion, it is refreshing.
cykonas
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 5:32pmHugh, yes it’s nice to be able to discuss issues without any name calling. I share your disdain for the lack of civility in our collective discourse. Even when I started coming to theblaze it wasn’t as bad as it is now.
Even when I was much younger I didn’t feel the need to call folks cute made up names when I disagreed with them. So, I‘m not sure what’s up with that. I’m guessing it somehow makes the posters feel empowered, but what the heck do I know? What I can tell you is that it’s enjoyable to correspond with a fellow adult.
Like you, I got caught up in the Party “thing” too, but in my case it was the Libertarian party not the Republican party. The result, however, was the same as you describe. You give your time, you give your money and in the end they do what they want. I’ve been a registered independent for well over 20 years now (I’m closing in on the big 60 as well) and I can’t imagine that I would ever register otherwise.
Take care amigo, and I hope to run across you in here again. Peace.
Report Post »Cosmos102
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:29pmHe will give Dem disillusioned Obama voters a place to go.
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:37pmagree
Report Post »68Patriot
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 12:02amDon’t bet on it!
Report Post »Brother Winston Smith
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 12:06amWell… unless Ron Paul is nominated in Tampa. Then the GOP gets those votes.
Report Post »TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 9:33amGary Johnson is insignificant in ‘12.
Buuut, being that Ron Paul’s misguided miscreants and malcontents can find an Alex Jones styled conspiracy in a glass of water… soooo, here’s one that is being bandied about from some fellow Conservatives (who are in the know about the so-called “Liberty Movement” and their present state of PO’edness)
The word is spreading ever so quietly within the R3volution (yeah, some R3volution huh?) to actually go and pull the trigger for Obama this November. Ron Paul’s insurgents feel that is the only way to really get back at the GOP and Romney campaign for the horrible @sswhoopin’ their candidate recieved… once again for his one or two good ideas followed by miles of naivete and some sheer lunacy.
I believe they will actually do this based on what I’ve heard. No matter how much they tell you they are individuals and not part of a collective… their usual school girl actions will speak louder than their tough guy words. They will continue to act as team spoiler with a grand “collectve” finale come November and they will blame it on you (me)! Funny, Ron Paul blames a lot on you (me) and America.
These are the actions of children… not men.
Report Post »KidCharlemagne
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 1:48pmTIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 9:33am
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You’re not going to win over any Ron Paul supporters by scolding them, T2………
All this does is fuel their resistance to RomneyCare even further…….
So in effect, it is YOU who is helping to drive additional voters away from RomneyCare by attempting to act as their intellectual superior (even though you’ve already demonstrated time and again that this is certainly far from the case).
That’s the same thing as helping Obama in my book…
You know how the old saying goes: “you catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar….”
Report Post »TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 2:19pmKID. Awwww… do you feel scolded? I never planned on changing the minds of Ron Paul / Gary Johnson supporters from the get go. I knew who you all were and what you were about long before landing on The Blaze.. Ya’ll will vote for the Marxist Obama no matter what anyone else says.
Oooops…sorry, I mean’t…. ya’ll will vote your “conscience” for Obama via the “fringe” or unelectable candidate of your choice for Libery, Freedom, Truth, Justice and the American way… etc, etc, etc.. ’bout right?
Oh yeah…. and The Constitution. You have to misinterpret the Constitution in a few distinct areas to make it sound like The Founders and Ron Paul are in simpatico and on the same sheet of Hemp paper so to speak… like foreign entanglements etc…
And almost forgot… drugs, porn (even child porn), prositution and other unsavory acts that Liberal-tarians feel compelled to get their jollies from… continuing the downward spiral of a once great nation into a moral abyss not unlike those other Liberals we like so much eh?
I actually now think you all are child-like enough to go pull the trigger for Obama. I believe the rumors. Does that make me like a Ron Paul / Alex Jones conspiracy theorist ??
Report Post »TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 2:35pmClarification…. Paul citing George Washington (farewell address) and Thomas Jefferson (first inaugural) and channeling the Founders wrongly (especially Washington) regarding foreign entanglements/non-interventionist foreign policy.
Report Post »moose8684
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 2:47pm@Time2End… What is it about Ron Paul/constitutionalists/libertarians that makes you so uncomfortable? It seems from your long list of posts that your two main problems are legalization of drugs and foreign policy. We already have legal drugs, they are prescribed by the millions everyday, with side effects like suicidal tendencies, birth defects, stroke, etc. So your argument is not really THAT drugs should be illegal, but rather about WHOSE drugs should be illegal. If you are so naive to believe that synthetically concocted prescription drugs are somehow safer than a plant that grows naturally then I cannot help but scoff at your ignorance. In regards to foreign policy, to you realize how many taxpayer dollars are spent every year in order to maintain military bases around the world? There is a reason that we had to create a Department of Homeland Security, because our Department of Defense no longer acts as such. If you truly believe that the US has the right and the mandate to go into other countries and attempt to force our own views and systems upon other people then you are no different than the people who allowed Hitler to ship millions to their deaths in Poland. The fact of the matter is that you enjoy arguing over whose turd stinks the least, and when a candidate comes out that doesn’t smell like crap your whole illusion falls apart. There is not one single issue of importance to this nation on which Obama or Romney differ in the slightest.
Report Post »Matt
Posted on August 20, 2012 at 1:38am@MOOSE8684 Paul supporters are generally not constitutionalists. There are a few that think they are, but most of them really are not, because a lot of things that they support are against the constitution, and a lot of things that they don’t support are in the constitution.
You see, there is a huge difference between a constitutionalist and an anarcho-capitalist.
In fact, the reason that Paul did NOT get the election is because on several very key issues he completely disagrees with what a strict constitutionalist would say. Biggest example? “Provide for the national defense” Paul does not want to provide for our national defense at all, he doesn’t believe in a national defense. He also does not believe in protecting our borders, another constitutional requirement.
But the biggest thing is that most, if not the vast majority, of libertarians, paul included, do not actually derive their political beliefs from the constitution. Yes, their beliefs happen to parallel it in many ways, but their genesis is wholly separate. They get their beliefs from Mises and Hayek, not from de Tocqueville and Jefferson.
source: I used to be an anarcho-capitalist, after that a minarchist, and now I would say that I am a religious conservative.
Report Post »WAKEUPUSA2012
Posted on August 20, 2012 at 6:08pmMy God, his rant is so IDIOTIC its not even worth responding to his lunacy. If ANY RP supporter voted for Obama, that person is no friend of the liberty movement.
The collapse is coming and all the policies that the neocons made, will be turned inward toward the people who supported them, and the people who spoke out aginst em. I wish I could see him then. So sad. So keep grinding time, keep grinding.
Report Post »watersRpeople
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:20pmWhen I think about Batman – I think about Gotham City. Or should I say say “Got-Ham” City? Argh, I’m in the City of Ham.
Report Post »trinklefinder
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:18pmnone if we dont keep talkin about him. seriously, im all for alternative candidates but this guy has not a shot…so let leave the sleepin dog lie.
Report Post »68Patriot
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 12:04amExactly!
Report Post »soybomb315_II
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 7:51amyup, pretend better solutions do not exist….
Report Post »cykonas
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 12:23pm@TRINKLEFINDER
Please understand that I’m not picking on you. However, I find your post troubling and here’s why. It is imbued in groupthink. You say, in part, “… but this guy has not a shot…so let leave the sleepin dog lie.”
Suppose back in the late 18th century our forefathers had said, “…we have no shot against the most powerful army on planet Earth. We should let sleeping dogs lie and just forget this independence thing.” Today we might be singing God Save the Queen instead of The Star Spangled Banner.
I don’t know if you are aware of it but the Continental Army was made up of a very, very small percentage of the population back then. In other words, most colonists engaged in a similar form of groupthink basically because they felt they had no chance against King Georges’ armies.
I honestly don’t mean to be melodramatic, but those of us that fully support alternate candidates/parties, fairer ballot access, equitable access to the national debates, fairer access to the Federal campaign funds, etc. are the modern day equivalent of the relative handful of rebels who were willing to stand up to King George. As long as there remains one scintilla of a chance that we can save this great Republic I will not let any dogs lie, sleeping or otherwise. Peace.
Report Post »justangry
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:13pmHere’s a thought. After Paul get snubbed by the GOP in Tampa, what if Johnson offers RP the VP spot on his ticket?
Report Post »barber2
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:18pmSo what ?
Report Post »resme
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:19pmThe vp is already chosen for the libertarian ticket. Would be nice to pick Ron Paul.
http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/gov-gary-johnson-endorses-judge-jim-gray-for-lp-vp-nomination
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:28pm@justangry
“Here’s a thought. After Paul get snubbed by the GOP in Tampa, what if Johnson offers RP the VP spot on his ticket?”
Simple, I had an ice cream cone like that when i was younger. The best ice cream was at the top and the secondary ice cream was never eaten. It always melted and dripped to the floor. Gary Johnson is a sugar cone and Ron Paul is the ice cream drippings that will never matter.
Now, I wish I had a janitorial job on that platform. Minimum wage would be “priceless”.
Report Post »KidCharlemagne
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:42pmbarber2
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:18pm
So what ?
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Look at the graphic above the comments section and think real hard about what you just said.
Report Post »justangry
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:54pm@Monk, I wish I could see it your way because I do hate Obama, but I can’t vote for people that support voiding our Bill of Rights. They’re un-American.
Report Post »MODEL82A1
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:56pmMaybe, just maybe, the Paulbots will find the courage of their convictions to actually attempt to take back the power that they know is rightfully theirs, as the only REAL, “We the People”. Lol! Let’s not hold our breath, Competent, Able-Minded and Able Bodied Patriots! Bring it on, Impotent Traitorous Cowards.
Report Post »soybomb315_II
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 7:59am@Just
Gary Johnson has extended many olive branches to Ron Paul. I dont know if Ron Paul cares about Gary Johnson. I hope so, because together they would make a great team.
I am hoping that once the convention is over, Ron Paul will have the freedom to say and endorse whomever he wants
Report Post »American Soldier (Separated)
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 10:45amCourage and conviction? You dare challenge Ron Paul supporters over conviction? I don’t believe you understand the concept of conviction. Compromising and voting for the lesser of two evils is not forage nor is that conviction. That’s cowardice. Win Or lose, I will vote for the candidate I believe in. I will nit break MY convictions because you werent brave enough to stand for yours
Report Post »Alky
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 11:41amIt‘s a shame the Libertarians don’t understand that this time around, a vote for anyone but Romney is the same as a vote for Obama. It’s all very noble to vote for your preferred candidate, but do you really think the country that you love so much can survive 4 more years of the current administration???
Report Post »Individualism
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 11:54amneo cons don’t understand that a vote for romney will kill their chances for a super majority in house and senate.
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:12pmI guess since “Individualism” says that Gary Johnson is the best pick I should change my vote.
Or is he now for Rosanne Barr? I can’t tell. All those “green party” people seem to be “smokin’ some kind of green substance”. Or is that the Ron Paul people? Or both?
Report Post »soybomb315_II
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 7:32amwhen you drill down to the issues, Gary Johnson is by far the best candidate
Report Post »booger71
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 10:06amHow does “open borders” which has been adopted by Libertarians, helping the sovereignty of the U.S.?
Report Post »Individualism
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 10:28amwell he is and i would recommend voting for him, otherwise your voting for someone who will destroy this country, just the way it is and Romney is even worse than Obama tbh.
Report Post »Gsincjr
Posted on August 20, 2012 at 3:54pm“Romney is even worse then Obama” Right there is where the childish “I didn’t get my way” Libertarians lose all credibility.
Report Post »Mac_Wade
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:11pmI also voted for Ross Perot.
Report Post »A very committed Libertarian I know said he will vote for Romney because he knows that it is the only the way to get Obama out of office. He knows every vote not for Romney is a vote for Obama.
Wolf
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:30pmThat‘s what bothers me about this ’s-election’ : the best man isn‘t even running and wouldn’t have a chance if he was.
Report Post »68Patriot
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 12:02amWOLF, in this case, don’t think of it as voting for the best man, just voting against the worst man EVER.
Trust me, no one is going to think you were cool for voting for Gary Johnson if OBAMA wins re-election and has 4 more years to fulfill the “dreams from his father”.
What the F is wrong with you people???
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Report Post »American Soldier (Separated)
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 10:57amAnd when Romney screws uP,which I know he will, what will we get after capitalism and free markets are to blame when the **** hits the fan during romney’s administration? I don’t think many of you look at the bit picture. We all know Romney is a horrible candidate. You want Obama out so bad you don’t care beyond that. So when Romney takes over and runs as a liberal as he has always done and continues all the same polices, our economy collapses, how much worse will the new Obama be? I’d say THAT will end our republic.
Report Post »68Patriot
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 11:21am“SOLDIER”: There is no perfect candidate junior. Ron Paul and Gay Johnson will never be president of the USA.
Ask yourself why Rand Paul endorses Romney?
Thanks for your apparent service. Now get your head out of the sand and wake up. Obama will absolutely dismantle this country in the next 4 years. Romney is a smart guy. I think he knows how critical turning this country around is. At least that’s my gut feeling and believe me I am a great judge of character.
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Report Post »American Soldier (Separated)
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 3:06pmRomney will dismantle it as well. Where has Romney shown you or I that he’ll actually be better than Obama? Was it when he flip flopped on any and every major issue? Even if he straight out says he will do something good, like say END THE FED, did he earn my trust the last time he flip flopped on a campaign rhetoric? No thank you. Ron Paul has my vote. Gary Johnson may end up with it by November. Romney will never earn my vote because I know he is a habitual flip flipper and will say anything for votes.
Insanity. Doing the same thing over and over and over and over again expect different results.
Anyone but More of the same. 2012.
Report Post »OlefromMN
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:09pmGary who?
Report Post »watersRpeople
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:13pmThis isn’t some Hollywood celebrity. Oh, oh you make me so mad. Lol! Or do you?
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:40pmhe is the gay Ron Paul
Report Post »Hobbs57
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 12:45amhahaha .. I couldn’t stop laughing everytime I thought about that. Perfect answer ! I wonder how many of these guys would kill to sniff his panties ??
Report Post »soybomb315_II
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 8:08amokay it was pretty funny.
you guys are so unpersuasive i guess it is better to stick to the comedy bit
Report Post »dissentnow
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:06pmHis role will be that of the only constitutionalist in the race and the only candidate willing to make serious cuts in spending. Supporting the constitution, cutting spending, and defending civil liberties = no chance of winning in November. The electorate is lame.
Report Post »pissantno.10
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:16pmaccording to you but your a liberal SUPPPPPPPPPPER GENUIES ya darn the littel people
Report Post »dissentnow
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:28pmNo, not even close. i’m a libertarian, actually. Romney is the liberal ( he supported gun control, abortion, and the individual mandate…….he probably still does or has he flip-flopped again? ) If you support a man who supports gun control and abortion, what does that make you?
Report Post »pissantno.10
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:46pmnaw you just not proving it to me, ron paul said in one of his debates all the money that was spent on war efforts could have gone to social programs your boy agreed. looks to me they want to buy votes just like all the rest and i mean all of them
Report Post »im_nobody
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:53pm@dissent Romney may not be the best choice in the race, but he’s the candidate we have and he is a HELL of a lot closer to being conservative than obama. Maybe RP or GJ would be a better choice, but they have 0.0% chance of winning. Voting for either of them may ease your conscience but it’s a pretty cowardly way to vote. We need to kick obama to the curb and then hold Romney’s feet to the fire to get the kind of presidency we want/need
Report Post »dissentnow
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 6:35am“hold Romney’s feet to the fire to get the kind of presidency we want/need”
The problem is that is not going to happen. Romney is going to continue the trend of spending us into oblivion and the republicans aren’t going to say a word about it because Romney has an “R” at the end of his name. That is how the game is played
Report Post »Individualism
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 10:33amRomney is more liberal and less nationalist than Obama.
Report Post »Meemster
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:05pmA vote for Johnson is a vote for Obozo.
Report Post »dissentnow
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:18pmThat’s what the status quo wants you to think. They’ve been preaching “the lesser of two evils” shtick for years in order to supply the electorate with one milquetoast moderate candidate after another. Its a shame that you guys keep falling for it each and every election cycle. Its a shame because my children and their children will be the ones suffering because you and people like you voted for the “lesser of two evils”.
Report Post »bobad
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:32pmTrue!
People who vote for Johnson are not patriots, not conservatives, and frankly, not even smart.
Report Post »dissentnow
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:43pmSo, voting for a guy ( Romney ) that supported gun control, the individual mandate, and ran to the left of Teddy Kennedy, and has been on every side of every issue known to man makes you a “patriot” and “smart”?
Report Post »Now i see why the GOP keeps handing us one moderate progressive candidate after another…..
Individualism
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 10:21amanything is better than an lds racist
Report Post »orlandojon
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:02pmLiberal state media tactic… throw as much negative press against the wall as possible and hope something sticks
Report Post »Apple Bite
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:01pmWe don’t need this crap right now! Why is Johnson still getting support?!
Report Post »barber2
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:19pmProbably because Soros’ money runs deep and the Obama people are playing their usual Alinsky Radical mind games and dirty tricks…
Report Post »dissentnow
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:20pm…….because Romney supports the individual mandate and gun control……or has he flip-flopped again?
Report Post »justangry
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:27pmBecause he‘s not a commie and he’s not a fascist.
Report Post »KidCharlemagne
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:58pmBecause Americans want more than one choice to be available to them and they want more competition…
Competition and free markets……that’s what America has traditionally been all about…..at least it was anyway up until the point that Republicans and Democrats began eliminating competition and free markets.
Report Post »Individualism
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 10:29ambecause he was born in this country and actually he a plan to make peoples lives better but most of the masses are ill informed or the election is rigged.
Report Post »Sirfoldallot
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 1:01pm@ justangry – do u own a skate board & ride every where ?
Report Post »justangry
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 10:41pm@Sirfoldalot, I don‘t understand this misperception that it’s only the young folks that are fed up with what Washington has been giving us. Remember RP’s top contributors were individuals in the services.
Report Post »capitalismrocks
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:00pmGreat…. another Ross Perot…. As a Libertarian he should understand that getting to that point will take time and will need to be done in steps, to run now with now chance only costs votes needed by Romney and he jeopardizes giving the election to a Communist, way to go… lets just go totally to the left, that just what every Libertarian pines for, come on people, big picture, common sense please.
Report Post »justangry
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:09pmThe republicans wouldn‘t have anything to worry about if they weren’t fascists.
Report Post »barber2
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:17pmRepublicans are “fascists?” And just what would you call the Democrats ? Besides people you’ll help win the next election ?
Report Post »justangry
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:28pmI’d call them Communists, Socialists or Marxists.
Report Post »iDeStroyFakeComPuterTroLLS
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:35pmRomney is lying to every body.If he wins, people will find out they were deceived by the media. Romney & Obama bad news. Gary Johnson.. I don’t know.. not a fan but better than the other 2. Ron Paul is our only chance to defeat Obama. If the Republicans really want Romney than so be it. Be prepared for another McCain. Than be prepared for a collapse.
Report Post »kent grotz
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 4:35amTime to Start campaining(sp), not complaining. I can see a need for a 3rd party in 2016.
Report Post »dissentnow
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 7:11am“Time to Start campaining(sp), not complaining. I can see a need for a 3rd party in 2016″
How much do you want to bet that the 2016 presidential race will be “THE MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION IN HISTORYYYYYYYY” and that if you vote 3rd party, you will be “throwing your vote away”. Will you see a need for a 3rd party in 2020 or will 2020 be “THE MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION IN HISTORYYYYYYY”?
Report Post »There is always 2024, right?
MontaraMissileMan
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 10:23am@CapitalismRocks: Let’s translate your comment properly:
“Libertarians should know their place and stop campaigning because we need the votes to continue undermining all rights and expanding government control. Your principles mean nothing because our team is better than theirs despite doing the same things over and over again.”
How are we supposed to get a real shift towards freedom by compromising our beliefs and voting for someone like Romney? Screw that, if you don‘t vote for freedom you don’t deserve it.
Report Post »Individualism
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 11:56ama vote for romney is a vote for a future democrat super majority. repeat of 06 and 08.
Report Post »Norm D. Plume
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 1:00pmIt all boils down to this, at the end:
A vote for Romney is a vote for Obama.
QED.
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:00pm“What Role Will Gary Johnson Play in the Election?”
A side show for all the Dr. Ron Paul supporters and he will have no effect the election.
To clarify my statement… I had a hippy man (full dreadlocks) and a fat hippy woman knock on my door today asking me to sign a petition for the fcan.org drive in Tampa today. Unfortunately, my batteries were dead in my camera. I’ll be ready the next time. : )
Report Post »watersRpeople
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:04pmHaven’t you been hit by lightning yet?
Report Post »watersRpeople
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:10pmHey dork – life is pretty much “True or False” questions. People who are going to vote for Ron Paul are going to pretty much vote for Ron Paul. Be careful going outside in a thunder storm.
Report Post »resme
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:11pmLOL, We aren’t all hippies monk.
Report Post »iDeStroyFakeComPuterTroLLS
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:36pmEvery one that goes against your views is some what always a pot smoking dread lock hippie.
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 12:24amHi MONK, I lived there from the early ‘70s till ’77. What do you think that I saw in Tampa?
Report Post »watersRpeople
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 10:56pmYou know what he is going to do! Gary Johnson is going to siphon off the Republican vote – just as Ron Paul will. I told you, you should have put your momentum behind Ron Paul, but you didn’t listen. And Ron Paul is going to Siphon off votes from Mitt Romney (as if Romney will do different than Obama). Barack Obama will get re-elected and you have yourselves…your arrogant non-listening selves to blame.
Report Post »LameLiberals
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 10:56pmThe GOP and democrats ENSURE a 3rd party cannot compete. They lock them out of debates in primaries and in general elections and ensure laws are passed that make it difficult to get on the ballot and make it expensive also.
Meanwhile, the GOP/Democrats grow more alike than different. Both to the left. Romney is a more socialist than capitalist and Obama is more Marxist than Socialist. Ditto for their VP picks.
So ONCE AGAIN – the GOP is stuck with voting for a lesser of two evil choices which is Romney because they are afraid to vote for the BEST candidate which is Gary Johnson for fear Obama will win. No wonder this country is going downhill. Neither the GOP or Democrats give a crap about the Constitution.
Report Post »pissantno.10
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:14pmya man its getting hard to get dope and a prostitue man hows lasy guy moron soppsed to get by dirty birdies
Report Post »KidCharlemagne
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 12:06ampissantno.10
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:14pm
ya man its getting hard to get dope and a prostitue man hows lasy guy moron soppsed to get by dirty birdies
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Was that an attempt on your part to form a sentence of some sort??
Report Post »LameLiberals
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 1:30am@pissantno.10
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Real liberal of you. Romney/Obama – Both believe VAT, TARP,Auto bailouts, The Fed, gun control, appointed liberal judges, appointed gay judges, support Patriot Act, NDAA – the list goes on. The ONLY THING Romney/Obama disagree on is how to keep alive socialist programs like Medicare instead of killing them off before Medicare goes bankrupt. Romney and Obama are far more alike (So is Ryan who believes and voted for all the above) than different.
The ONLY REASON I won’t vote for Gary Johnson is because of my fear of a 2nd Marxist Obama term.
I wish the USA would just die quickly instead of this agony of RINOS and liberals fighting over their socialist tax subsidies (married tax break – single too bad, ethanol, oil, sugar, Alpaca, ) and socialist programs (medicare SS,etc). Then the real fight can begin. It will end in tyranny or a break up of the USA. Hoping for a break up so I can live in a Gary Johnson part of the country when none of the above would exist including an income tax.
Report Post »Individualism
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 11:01amRomney is the greater evil, read his cults book and you will know.
Report Post »Cymry
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 10:55pmJohnson’s name was on the periphery of my memory and I am well informed person. The economy has sharpened the focus of likely voters and that has narrowed their focus to the two major candidates…..Romney, obama. The electorate wants someone to step in and fix the economy which tends to make Johnson very forgettable.
Report Post »justangry
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 10:52pmWell I don’t like him compared to Ron Paul, but he is MUCH better than the other two.
Report Post »circleDwagons
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:01pmGary Johnson could deprive romney of votes. That is funny. These progs think our votes and our money belong to them.
Report Post »justangry
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:24pmThey are a bunch of smug little pr*cks, aren’t they? They should be leading the worst president in US history by a large margin yet they’re either barely ahead to far behind depending on the poll. You‘d think they’d learn if they actually wanted to win. But nope, they’re running on tax breaks for the wealthiest Americans (I don’t buy into the class warfare, but most Americans do), a sure war with Iran, and pro life issues. (Again, I’d prefer it, but it does split women). And to think they could have offered rights back, a path to sound money, actual debt reduction and peace.
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 12:00amMy main concern is to get the dems out of the white house and hopefully the senate too. Johnson just makes me see Ross Perot all over again. Probably just enough of a drain on the vote to keep 0bama in office.
Report Post »soybomb315_II
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 7:33amThe republicans and conservatives just do not understand that…A vote should not be given – it should be earned
Report Post »Smokey_Bojangles
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 10:52pmHe is attracting Pot Smoking Democrats and Conservatives who are militant against gun control and big government. If Republicans are that worried about losing to the Communist,maybe they should put a conservative on the ballot.Put Romney Who Lost to McCain who got his A$$ handed to him by Obama? That was the best you had to offer?
Report Post »justangry
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:08pmYeah, Gary Johnson‘s platform on weed really didn’t excite me. Dr. Paul argued for it to be decriminalized because there is no authority in the Constitution for the Federal Government to do anything regarding it. Johnson is like I’d just legalize it and tax it. I mean I guess that‘s better than let’s waste trillions of dollars and throw thousands of people in jail each year because of it.
Report Post »KangarooJack
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 10:48pmI voted for Perot. I remember it well. A vote thrown away…hear that Ron Paul fans? The way to CHANGE the system is from the School Board on up. It started out small and began to grow….that kinda thing. When it comes to the Presidency…Well, YOU gotta ask YOURSELF a few questions. Would you rather feel Superior in voting for Ron Paul as a write-in….therefore ensuring numerous sanctimonious posts regarding the state of affairs in the United States….OR…are you willing to choose the lesser of two weevils. I know, I know it goes against the grain. {Remember I voted for Perot before…} He was SO SO VERY CORRECT regarding that ‘giant sucking sound’ of American jobs….
Start at the ground level, work your way on up…
Report Post »justangry
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:01pmWell the problem is, neither Bush1, Clinton, or Perot said it was OK for the federal government to snatch people up, torture, kill or indefinitely detain American citizens without due process. And all that other happy horse crap both parties are pushing at us. Gary Johnson is the only candidate that says it’s not ok for the government to play with my johnson. There’s two candidates that still believe in freedom and our god-given rights. One is about to be snubbed by the establishment fascists… I‘m just saying the people like me aren’t going to go for either of the status quo hacks because neither represents American traditions and liberty.
Report Post »pissantno.10
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:03pmkang you are so right when we get the local, county, city, state goverments back we will be the winners. the players in washinton will have no say. geter done at home and we will be in charge
Report Post »barber2
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:12pmYou are all wacko . Enjoy your life as a Comrade living in redistributed Third World America under Dear Leader Obama and His international Lefty best buddies. Think you guys in particular will find it difficult Having Big Brother telling you how high to jump. But Guess you can’t fix stupid…..
Report Post »resme
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:13pmA vote is never thrown away, Maybe counted twice. If you believe romney is the best candidate for you, That’s fine with me. If i think Gary Johnson is the best candidate to represent me, I’ll vote for him. Votes belong to the individual not to the republican party or democrat party.
Report Post »barber2
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:23pmRESME: Go ahead. Help Obama win. One is free to be an idiot in a free society. I just find it odd that a so-called free loving ‘libertarian” would help to enslave yourself under a Big Brother Big government guy like Comrade Obama. But, heck, go for it. People make mistakes. And then sometimes they learn.
Report Post »justangry
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:32pmBlah blah blah Barbara, People that don’t want more war believe Obama is the lesser of two evils.
Report Post »iDeStroyFakeComPuterTroLLS
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:39pmOh I hear it. I hear a hypocrite loud and clear. I think you got us Ron Paul Supporters wrong. Yeah.. ok some might vote Gary Johnson, but as for me… I am just going to stay home. I saw how the election works now. I am well aware that our votes do not count. I was at conventions. I saw the corruption. The broken laws and rules. I will never vote for Romney or Obama. I won’t write in Ron Paul. I am just going to stay home and blame the Republicans for picking another McCain,
Report Post »justangry
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:52pmI’m the fence myself. I thought about writing in Paul, but as Rockwell pointed out, even doing that shows you approve of the process. I’m not all that excited about Gary Johnson to be honest. I guess he’s fine for true libertarians. I certainly wouldn’t blame anyone for voting for him though based on the other choices.
Report Post »KangarooJack
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 12:07amHey-zeus H. Christo!!!! I ALSO have done write in votes for: Mickey Mouse, Joseph B. Doughnuts {Joe bag O donuts} and Spongebob.
By all means, vote OR CHOOSE NOT TOO this November. Somehow, I think those that choose NOT to vote are smug little snails. Yes, cling to their principals… and can smugly claim “I did not vote for THAT person” as the Nation goes to hell in a handbasket. Shy turtles-never stick your neck out?
Do a friggin write in vote-I really don’t care. Just VOTE. It IS your PRIVILEDGE as an American Citizen. Other people get their fingers cut off for having ink on them… so do a write in vote for Rosie O’Donnel if you want. Make your voice and/or dissatisfaction HEARD!
I swear anyone who does NOT vote {LEGALLY} this November should ban THEMSELVES from ANY COMMENT ABOUT OUR GOV’T for the next decade!!! If you can not stomach your choices than by all means do a write-in that reflects your disgust with our choices. If you just stay home and watch the news….you are more worthless than someone who “can’t find a job in 3 years”!
Report Post »68Patriot
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 12:18amBARBER, these Ron Paul locals are like talking to a wall. I bet even Ron Paul will vote for Romney.
PAULOTS, believe me, we conservatives agree with most of what you believe. Maybe Romney is not the perfect candidate. I can assure you, after giving OBAMA a second term you will be praying for someone like Romney turn this country back into what you used to know.
You naive Patriots really need to wake up. This is not an ordinary election this time.
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Report Post »soybomb315_II
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 7:57am@68Patriot
We know full well that this may be the last chance for America. That is why we are voting for Gary Johnson. The reality is that Mitt Romney and Obama are not that far apart regarding the unconstitutional federal government. You can say Mitt Romney will cut taxes and regulations, but those are not the imminent dangers facing this country. IMO, the dangers are: DEBT, WAR, LOSS OF CONSTITUTIONAL PROTECTIONS, and MILITARIZATION OF DOMESTIC GOVERNMENT.
@Just
Assuming Ron Paul does not get the nomination and does not get involved in the November election….I would think voting for Gary is better than staying home. I understand Rockwell’s point, but in previous elections – half the people have ‘witheld their consent’ and yet the two parties continue to ignore them. Therefore, it is solution that does not work.
If you vote for Gary, that vote will be counted and will represent a vote against the establishment. If we can get a few million people to vote Gary Johnson instead of staying home – it may change the political landscape
Report Post »justangry
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 9:35amHey if you guys can convince the GOP to give up on the Patriot Act, NDAA, and HR347, I’ll help you guys win. I just can’t vote for someone that would so blantantly piss on the Constitution.
Report Post »68Patriot
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 10:09amSOY, Let‘s just hope you live in a blue or red state where your votes won’t matter much either way. I agree with all your CAPITOL letter issues and I certainly respect your convictions. What I have a hard time with however is why you would vote for someone who has no chance of winning. That’s what primarys are for. In the ‘08 primary I voted for Huckabee but I knew he probably wouldnt win, that was my principaled vote. In the general I held my nose and voted for McCain because I knew what Obama was all about. The choice is 1 of 2. A vote otherwise is a non-vote.
I agree in theory that this country needs to get worse for the Zombie citizens to finally wake up to what could happen to our great Rebublic. I just don’t want to actually see it happen. Let’s just agree that WE knew how close we came. The Zombies don’t have to know. Once we get passed the Obama threat we can get active and educate people about the Constitution so we don’t get this close again.
Let me ask you this, I know you guys are against Occupying other countries militarily. What if Obama gets another 4 years and turns THIS country into HIS Utopian DREAM? Are you a Patriot? Will you help and defend others or are you guys in the “every man for himself camp”? I really am curious to know where you guys stand.
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Report Post »Individualism
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 10:25amlook at the absolute worse outcome is a Romney win and that has to be stopped any means necessary.
Report Post »soybomb315_II
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 1:10pm@68Patriot
Report Post »Yes, i am willing. I prefer nonviolent means first. While you guys have been voting moderate republicans, we have been at this for many years. Growing numbers and ideas – that is what it is all about. I dont know where you get that ‘every man for himself’ stuff
KidCharlemagne
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 1:57pmKangarooJack
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 10:48pm
I voted for Perot. I remember it well. A vote thrown away…hear that Ron Paul fans?
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Your only other two choices besides Perot that year were either Clinton or that “New World Order” guy:
“We have the opportunity before us to forge for ourselves and for future generations….a New World Order…”
I’d say that you probably made the right choice in picking Perot.
Report Post »cykonas
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 2:14pm@BARBER2 One is free to be an idiot in a free society.
Then I suppose that would anoint you as the freest of the free, brother! Peace.
Report Post »cykonas
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 3:04pmHere we go, step by step:
(You said): I voted for Perot. I remember it well. A vote thrown away. (I say): I voted for Mr. Perot too. Funny, though my vote was not thrown away. The overall result was a less than mediocre Bill Clinton defeated a horrible George Bush. The downside of that vote is that it strengthened the resolve of the establishment R’;s to make ballot access, debate access, Federal campaign funding, etc. much tougher on alternate candidates in order to solidify their position.
(You said): Would you rather feel Superior in voting for Ron Paul as a write-in. (I say): My votes have nothing to do with how I feel about myself. I vote based on who I think is the best candidate to lead of our Republic in the Constitutionally prescribed manner. It has nothing to do with how I feel about myself, the parties or anything else.
(You said): OR…are you willing to choose the lesser of two weevils? (I say): No, been there, done that, it sucks.
(You said): Start at the ground level, work your way on up. (I say): I pay attention to all of the races and candidates in any given election cycle. I don’t have to “start” with only one, or one level, of them. I’m capable of processing information about multiple candidates and races. I expect that you are too.
All in all, not a very compelling argument on your part Jack. Peace.
Report Post »cykonas
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 3:46pm@68PATRIOT: I can assure you, after giving OBAMA a second term you will be praying for someone like Romney turn this country back into what you used to know.
If I could believe, based on his MA gubernatorial record or his public policy statements, that he has any intention or willingness to make the effort to “turn this country back into what (you) I used to know”, I would vote for him in a second. But there is nothing in the public records available to me that would suggest he has any such intention. Even on the ACA he is talking repeal and replace. Why not just repeal? Then push for tort reform, abolishing interstate insurance restrictions and other free market solutions? Replace is simply code for more big gobment. That’s his MO.
Governor Romney is a bit older than President Obama, he is Caucasian, he’s a Republican, and he chooses to worship in the Mormon faith. Other than that, he’s President Obamas clone.
I’m convinced, based on his record, that he would ignore and shred the Constitution just as quickly and just as adroitly as has our current President has. He doesn’t give constitutionalists much to work with.
That‘s why I won’t waste a vote on him. But if he happens to get elected I will pray for him. I’ll pray that he gets a clue, that he stops his incessant flip flopping, and that he gets some immediate and intensive instruction from Larry Arnn, the President of Hillsdale College concerning the Constitution of the United States of Am
Report Post »marine249
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 10:47pmnone
Report Post »BurntHills
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 10:43pmwith obama’s election fraud already underway, that sour grapes moron johnson will ruin it for ALL OF AMERICA and OUR FUTURE if he continues his SELFISH inanity and pulls even one vote away from Gov. Romney. if obama gets re-elected and turns us into USSA AMERIKA, it will be a 3rd party vote that did it —just like Ross Perot. .
Report Post »justangry
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 10:48pmSo you’re just going to give the RNC a pass on all the fraud that took place during the primaries and bitch about Obama doing it? Typical, it’s just like all the folks complaining about Obama taking away our freedoms while giving a pass to all teh Republicans that voted for the bills Obama signed into law. BTW, The feds have recently kidnapped a marine for posting Alex Jones conspiracy theories on FB. Ironically, in VA where they have nullified the indefinite detention portion of the NDAA.
Report Post »grimmster
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 10:42pmGary Johnson needs to go scuba diving,with out a tank.The only reason he’s still in the race, is to try and get obama reelected,plain and simple.The whining idiot knows he cant win,and like all entitled children, is throwing a hissy fit over it…….
Report Post »pissantno.10
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:05pmwell and daddy made a deal with obama
Report Post »barber2
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:07pmAnd international- Lefty tied Obama with his OWS, anti-capitalist , anti police , anti Wall Street, anti religion, anti law, and anti America supporters is only to happy to welcome Johnson’s help since they have so much in common. So much in common and America has so much to lose.
Report Post »iDeStroyFakeComPuterTroLLS
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:58pmYou ever think that maybe Romney is playing to get Obama re-elected? Romney will never be President. Your trying to convince us with Paul Ryan to vote Romney when we good as heck know that a VP does nothing. Look at Biden. I find it weird how Ryan is around promoting his plan while Romney is promoting his own. Hmmmm… Odd?
Report Post »Individualism
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 10:30amgood we don’t want adolf hitler 2.0 to replace Obama.
Report Post »68Patriot
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 11:31amIDESTROY: NO. No one thought about that but you and that makes you NUTS!
IDIVIDUALISM: Obama is already Hitlerlike not Romney. Have you looked at the PROPAGANDA coming out of Obama’s campaign. This guy is a child as well and the people that support him are useful idiots.
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Report Post »Wango
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 12:44pmGRIMEY . . .But if he went scuba diving without a tank he wouldn’t have any air. And if he didn’t have any air he might . . . Oh . . . LOL! . . . I get it! You‘re wishing death on a politician because he doesn’t hold the exact same views as you. Gracious me, forgive me for saying so but that sounds just a wee bit harsh. Perhaps you were exaggerating for effect. Yes, I‘m sure that’s it. Good, I‘m glad that didn’t end up being as insane as it first sounded. Now, how about that barbecue at my place? Ready when you are. I so look forward to it.
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