What’s Wrong With the New York Times Poll-Graph on the Debt Crisis?
- Posted on July 30, 2011 at 2:14pm by
Scott Baker
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I’ve known Zombie long enough to realize that if you try any dual-axis Cartesian graph hijinks…you won’t get away with it. In this case it is the New York Times that has attracted Zombie’s merciless analysis. On Friday the Times posted a slick, interactive “poll-graph” that allowed readers to render their views. Here’s a screen grab:
You can try the interactive version here.
Zombie certainly admires the graph, calling it “clever and thought-provoking.” But the admiration only goes so far. First — let‘s understand what’s going on in the graph:
The up-and-down axis is about spending: dots near the top of the chart represent people who want to cut spending, while those at the bottom don’t want to cut spending. The left-right axis represents tax revenue — those who clicked near the right edge of the screen want to raise revenue through higher taxes, and those on the left don’t (more on this later).
Thus the cluster of dots at the upper left corner represent hardcore libertarians and Tea Partiers — people who want a lot less spending and no new taxes. The cluster at the lower right are the socialists and welfare-staters — people who want more spending and more taxes to pay for it.
The tiny cluster at the lower left are the crazy people — people who want more spending, but don’t want to pay for it in any way. We can safely ignore them.
But as the chart instantly reveals, the vast majority of respondents are in the upper right — people who want less spending and more revenue. In other words, the mid-point between the two extremes: the Tea Party position of cutting runaway spending is now the mainstream position; but the liberal Democrat call for higher taxes is alsonow the mainstream position.
This is why no one can figure out who’s “winning” the debt battle. Both political factions have a monopoly on only one of the two favored positions, while their opponents lay claim to the other.
This being the New York Times, with its “progressive” readership, the overwhelmng cluster in the upper right isslightly sagging toward the “Don’t reduce spending” direction, but only barely. Considering the demographic of the readership, this is to be expected, and a similar poll in a different publication might skew slightly upward. But overall, it’s solidly “Cut spending/raise revenue.”
But here’s where the glitch becomes manifest. And it’s the same glitch that partisan economists have been arguing about for decades.
You will now want to click to Zombie’s blog post to understand the glitch! Click here.
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Comments (146)
rienheart
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 3:29pmWhen it comes crashing down, those on Welfare will be rioting because there will be no more payment to the Government who pays their bills. Those are the people calling for higher taxes. The Tax payer will finally get tired of paying the bills of those who refuse to support themselves. That will be final wake up call for the Government, but it will be too late. Conservative Americans will Stand and end the final curtain call.
Report Post »lamarwi
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 3:23pmWhere are the the respondents from?
I’m sure a graph representing the flyover states would look completely different!
Oh yeah, I forgot…we don’t count.
Report Post »Libertarian2
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 3:33pmThe respondents should be based on weather or not they are employed. The un-employed have time to post their views of asking the working to pay for the non-working.
Report Post »Because I was working I could not read or comment until 3:30PM on Saturday.
Get the point?
LarryofArabia
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 3:41pmHow many states are we talking about? 57?
Thanks Barry. you resemble Jimmy Carter more each day. But that’s not your fault. You just can’t help it.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 4:08pmIndeed we do not count.
Report Post »bloomytoad
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 4:25pmI’m a consultant that has been between contracts for a couple of months. I‘m pretty sure I’ve still made more, and payed more taxes, than you this year, but right now I am technically unemployed, so why is you think my opinion doesn’t matter?
Report Post »VoteBushIn12
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 4:52pm@Libertarian2
Uh If you have time to comment on this site you would have had time to click a button and leave a twitter length comment about the economy.
Get over yourself.
Report Post »michael48
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 6:49pmas with the road to the District of Criminals….junk in , junk out…65 years and I’ve come to the realization Dem-Wits are “to stupid to breathe”…Broke= You have NO MO MONEY…when the he!! did it become OK to be BROKE??? and Spend the He!! out of BORROWED MONEY..???? what PHD. in stupid-ology will make sense of that GARBLE ???? spin it as you wish lib’s…YOU’RE BROKE and FREEBIE-VILLE is GONE!!! you don’t work , you don’t eat…next…
Report Post »Professional Infidel
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 9:32pmtax the wellfair creepsl there is enough money to bail us out there, let there mom’s take care of um. got no time for worthless creeps, male of female.
Report Post »mils
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 9:42pmLibertarian2
Completely agree…also, my folks/their friends don’t use a computer..for anything..yet they pay taxes and vote..it’s like none of them count in these polls…..no phone calls, no drop by visits etc..
Report Post »Bum thrower
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 10:17pmIt’s BS; no one believes the BIG 3 (aka lame stream propaganda media)….e-mail; Limbaugh; beck and your local “talk station” is where its at!!
Report Post »jzs
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 10:58pmOkay, I think I understand Cartesian graphs. This one says most Americans would like to see our country reduce spending and raise revenues. Makes sense.
The budget was balanced when Bush took office. He massively cut taxes twice based on the idea that would improve the economy (it didn’t by the way, GDP was flat, jobs weren’t created, the deficit skyrocketed, the economy collapsed), invaded a country or two, and put into effect an completely unfunded Medicare prescription program.
Okay, so that didn’t work. Can we all agree on that? So here’s an idea. Raise revenues, and reduce spending.
Report Post »one years food ration like glenn says
Posted on July 31, 2011 at 12:14am@VOTEBUSH .. uumm what is today ? Saturday, right ? and what time did libertarian2 post well, that would be 3.33 PM, right ? Youre an idiot, you must stick that foot in you own mouth often.. reread his post and look at the date and time…DUH !!!!
Report Post »Wilkins
Posted on July 31, 2011 at 12:22amOf those who say ‘increase revenue’, how many understand that decreasing taxes can also increase revenue for the government as it becomes more attractive to take money out of tax shelters and put it to work actively in the economy? Because those could be tea partiers.
Maybe the question should have been increase taxes or decrease taxes?
Report Post »Cold War Vet
Posted on July 31, 2011 at 2:18am@ JZS
This graph was for a poll taken in the Washington DC metro area only. A different geographical area would most likely produce a slightly different result. Also, there is some widespread confusion over the mainstream media misrepresentation oh the word “revenue.” I noticed that over the last week or so, Harry Reid has taken to using the word “revenue” instead of “taxes.” It has been proven that over time, lower TAXES does result in higher REVENUES because business thrive in a lower tax environment. This is one of our main problems today in America.
Report Post »HUGGINGMYBABIES
Posted on July 31, 2011 at 8:54amMaybe people with jobs should get two votes? Every time a lib mentions people who need the safety net of social security I mention good ole octomom Miss Nadia Suleman…on social security due to a back problem which left her unable to work…..which oddly was not bad enough to allow her to carry (while standing) 8 babies in her womb. While on SS she managed several in vitro fertilizations, plastic surgery for herself and a host of other pleasures on the backs of working taxpayers.once delivered she now has 14 children, all of whom are being reared on our dollars. All of whom will witness the system and no doubt find it worthy of gaming just as she has. Just 14 MORE people who enter that deep cluster in the lower left corner who want more but don’t ever want to pay for it.
Report Post »sWampy
Posted on July 31, 2011 at 11:54amWhat amazes me is most Americans don’t realize the only way to over the long term increase revenue is to CUT TAXES to a rate below 20% any rate above that decreases revenue due to increased cheating.
Report Post »klevalt
Posted on July 31, 2011 at 11:57amIt represents NY Times readers…. Doesn’t that speak for itself?
Report Post »jzs
Posted on July 31, 2011 at 4:19pmCold War Vet – I know that’s what people say, lowering taxes increases revenue. But again, Bush lowered taxas dramatically. Twice It did not increase revenue. The debt skyrocketed It did not increase jobs, it did not increase the GDP.
Lower taxes does not increase business. Nor to owners higher more people. Why should they when they can meet demands with the people they have. No, lower taxes just means the owners make more money. Businesses grow when demand for their products grows. Why hire people, or build another plant, when demand for your products is unchanged. Bush tried it, Reagan tried it. It simply doesn’t work.
Report Post »Mil Mom
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 5:49pm@ jzs
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 10:58pm
Okay, I think I understand Cartesian graphs. This one says most Americans would like to see our country reduce spending and raise revenues. Makes sense.
The budget was balanced when Bush took office. He massively cut taxes twice based on the idea that would improve the economy (it didn’t by the way, GDP was flat, jobs weren’t created, the deficit skyrocketed, the economy collapsed), invaded a country or two, and put into effect an completely unfunded Medicare prescription program
Report Post »*****
How do people forget? HEY FELLA WE ** WERE** ATTACKED !!! THE COMPLEX WAS NAMED ** THE**WORLD**TRADE**CENTER**!!! Why, because nearly all international companies had offices in THE WORLD TRADE CENTER !!! Bush worked with leaders to get ALL POSSIBLE businesses up and running in a new location in less than a week! Ever wonder what the WORLD ECONOMY would have looked like if he hadn’t! I guess it’s just happenstance, but it seems kind of funny, that the most Horrendous attack of an enemy on American Soil, was an economical attack, YET THE VERY ONES WHO HATE FREE ENTERPRISE AND LOVE SOCIALISM, ATTACK BUSH FOR GOING TO WAR AFTER THE FANATICS WHO ATTACKED US! (Muslim extremists worldwide.)
Bush may not have been perfect, (That‘s God’s Perview!) But he is a Gift of God for being there and taking the fight on foreign soil, IT COULD HAVE BEEN OUR LAND WHERE CAR BOMBS & IED”s WERE A DAILY ITEM, & SUICIDE BOMBERS WERE ALL OVER!!!
MontyRay
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 3:17pmWhat if people surveyed meant economic growth when they were plotting in the “more revenues” section?
The problem with this graph is that it is using the same veiled speak the progressives are using when talking about taxes.
For example, if I weren’t following the debate closely, I would surmise that revenues is obviously a problem because joblessness is causing revenue shortfall. That’s factual, and common sense.
What if the chart said “raise taxes”? Does anyone believe it would still look the same?
I don’t think it would be inversely different, but I think the green mass would sag quite a bit more.
Statistics 101: be very clear about what you ask and how it is defined. Learned that in My first stats class in college. This is a clear example of why you can’t put too much faith in polls. Sample size, demographics, etc. Are tools for a desired resut these days.
Report Post »rlmeals
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 3:41pmI was thinking the same thing. History shows us that lowering taxes raises revenue, yet when the poll asks if you want to “raise revenue” many people equate that with “raise taxes.” Yes, I want to “raise revenue” but not through higher taxes. It’s not clear at all.
Report Post »BSdetector
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 4:37pmIf you click the link to
Report Post »http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/07/29/nytimes-poll-graph-on-debt-crisis-public-rejects-extreme-partisan-solutions-but-false-premise-skews-results/
That is exactly what the guy says.
USAMama
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 7:28pmYes, if you read the full article that is exactly what they say skews the results. They also say that the Tea Party should push this message. Since we have successfully gotten the message out for the need to cut taxes, we should now get the message out that raising taxes isn’t the only way to increase revenue. The real answer is to fix the economy and get people JOBS!!
Report Post »ireport uderide
Posted on July 31, 2011 at 8:39amForget for a moment the gist of this article and reflect on this quote from the piece.
“…The tiny cluster at the lower left are the crazy people — people who want more spending, but don’t want to pay for it in any way. We can safely ignore them….”
Isn’t that the problem in DC, ‘crazy people’ who pass budgets with no responsible or practical way to pay for them?
This has been going on since our country decided to put it’s good faith and credit into an entity that makes money by lending our own money back to ourselves, for a price.
More than a bit crazy, more like sinister.
How’s this for a plan. Why doesn’t the Congress produce budget legislation that only covers the time they have in office. Right now I would say that would be about 18 months remaining. These five and ten year plans don’t hold anyone responsible for their actions. Like Wimpy, the character in Popeye comics who keeps promising to pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today. You just know it isn’t going to happen.
Report Post »Mil Mom
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 6:01pm@ireport uderide
…This has been going on since our country decided to put it’s good faith and credit into an entity that makes money by lending our own money back to ourselves, for a price.
More than a bit crazy, more like sinister.
How’s this for a plan. Why doesn’t the Congress produce budget legislation that only covers the time they have in office. Right now I would say that would be about 18 months remaining. These five and ten year plans don’t hold anyone responsible for their actions. Like Wimpy, the character in Popeye comics who keeps promising to pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today. You just know it isn’t going to happen
Report Post »***
Kind of sounds like Joe Biden charging the people for Sec Serv., $2200 a month to stay at his place and protect him!
Good thing Wimpy isn’t a real living character today, he’d probably be a White House Czar, and Michelle would be going nuts lecturing him on his diet! ( Maybe he is and is the real guy behid QE1&2 and the whole Fed fiasco! )
daveposh
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 3:16pmTwo questions:
Report Post »(1) Do you trust the New York Times?
(2) Do you trust the current administration?
USAMama
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 7:33pm1. No
Report Post »2. No no no no no!!!!!!!
mils
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 10:08pmin a word..
NO
and with what i consider very good reasoning. We are worse off now than we, as a business, personal finances, than we have ever been. it is disconcerting to think of what will happen next with this man in charge. I honestly don’t kn ow if he is in charge, he doesn’t seem smart enough, concerned enough..“anything” enough for me.
Report Post »Shiroi Raion
Posted on July 31, 2011 at 3:37amNo and no.
Report Post »olddog
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 3:02pmIf you read the times you’ll be left behind.. You may as well just turn on psmbc and get your news there and save the quarter for the times…..
Report Post »beaubird
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 2:59pmI am sick to dam death of it all. the average person in this country is the one being screwed, If yu dam people in Washington give a dam about us and all people yu will stop this crap!! We set back and watch you idiots and it is disgusting what yall are doing, Yu are just trying to save your seats. Well if yu keepon youu are nott goin to have one anyway so yu might as well do what is right!! We are sick of you cutiing the wrong things. Cut your dam salaries. and stop spending crap on a fish and a dam beaver and stupid crap so you can look after our humans. There are sick people in this country and people that would love to eat and yall up there acting like a bunch of dam morons, You have never had to go through what we are going through. You cant afford to get sick cause yu dont have the money to see a dam doctor. yu asses in Washington do cause we are paying for it. It has got to stop !!!! You nutts up there have got to stop giving to everybody else and give it to our people and kick unamericans out of here. We have had it. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!!!!!!! I wish every dam one of you get sick and lose every dam thing you got and live like the rest of us . See if you vote different then!!!! Everybody should just get up go to washington and let them have it and through every one of out in the street. and hope a dam train runs over them.. I think everybody has the same view as I. I am mad as hell and I dont care who knows it and these freaks in Washington has got to go!!!!!!!!!
Report Post »fastfwd
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 3:29pmAnd the majority of Americans yell a loud AMEN !
Report Post »discardofevil
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 3:41pm@beau bird I couldn’t agree more! When are we all going? There are more of us then them! We pay them! We get to decide! We must get rid of the dictator! Love to throw hiss ass out! Along with the geek that just was trying to cut 2 million dollars off our debt. What an idiot!
Report Post »LarryofArabia
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 3:51pmTerm limits my brother. No one has the stones to define the lengh of his/her employment. And why would they? Streets are lined with gold – along with a handy little parachute. Pigs get fat – hogs get slaughtered. They‘re all too cozy in there digs and don’t want to give it up. Exspense accounts, dinner and cocktail parties. What else is new?
I saw a lib on the tube the other night spewing nonsense over and over. All I really heard before I tuned out was “I’ve been in Congress for more than 30 years…”. Thats an ender for me. I’m sick of that. There are far too many meatballs with crappy resume’s that fear the soup line. If I did my job this bad, I’d be on the streets in no time flat. Fortunately for me, I’m me!
Thanks for nothing Barry.
Report Post »Micmac
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 2:58pmWhy not make a valid survey based upon the correct factors and put it out there and see where it goes as a counter to the NYT. At the same time discuss how the NYTs graph is propaganda. Advertise where the survey is (net site), talk about it on Fox, etc.
I feel that that we can do what is needed to counter the left’s false propaganda and, therefore, expose their tactics to misdirect the public. I remember in studying for a teacher’s cred we were told that a student has to hear something 3 times before it starts to sink in. I think that applies here too. You have to be out there and not just whining about it.
NoBama 2012
Report Post »adaismeus
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 3:19pmbecause this graph is intentionally made to mislead people. had they used a bar graph it would have shown what they interpreted above, but when you put it this way it is confusing and people will probably read it wrong. Kind of like fine print. The more confusing it is the less likely anyone is to understand it or make the effort to understand it, much less read the way the study was conducted. You see we dont teach people read fine print in schools anymore…
Report Post »Mil Mom
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 6:11pmre : I feel that that we can do what is needed to counter the left’s false propaganda and, therefore, expose their tactics to misdirect the public. I remember in studying for a teacher’s cred we were told that a student has to hear something 3 times before it starts to sink in. I think that applies here too. You have to be out there and not just whining about it.
Report Post »****
But show them a picture or a movie and it’s with them for life. That‘s probably why the Left’s married with Hollywood, and threw such a fit over the movie made about Hillary in the last election! Probably why the new state of the unioner, spent his time lecturing the Supreme Court, about overturning McShame & Findgold !
Love hearing about the new Palin Movie she unveiled in Iowa
***Send in the CLEANING LADIES***PALIN/BACHMANN 2012 :-)
Ghandi was a Republican
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 2:51pmThe serious flaw in the “poll” and it IS flawed in the extreme is asking about Increasing revenues! Of course we should increase revenues to go along with Spending reduction. THAT happens as one.
Increasing TAXES however does NOT increase revenues!
We know that REDUCING TAXES INCREASES REVENUES! We KNOW THIS BECAUSE OF HISTORY! Increasing taxes is an argument for the progressives who want to bring down the system, decrease revenues and kill the American Job engine.
There is no argument to this. ! NONE! The progs know the true history and the true results. When they argue against tax reductions they show their cards. THEY KNOW~ They also vow to kill Capitalism that stands in the way of Socialism and this sick crazed obsession with Global control.
This isn’t rocket science folks. Not at all..
Report Post »better red than dead
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 3:12pmReducing taxes increases revenues? What?
And if you say “Laffer curve,” you should probably know that that only works on tax rates above ~75%. So…
Report Post »NOTAMUSHROOM
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 3:27pmWell well well. @“Better Red Than Dead”
What’s in a name? I guess yours says it all. READ HISTORY IDIOT!
Report Post »Rocky_biskit
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 3:42pm@ Better …
It would seem to me that you are already dead, at least BRAIN DEAD. Increasing taxes on the wealthy/Big business will only cause them to cut back on new hiring not to mention a possibility of firing those already with a job in order to keep the business profitable, thereby DECREASING revenue.
Fewer people working equals fewer incomes meaning no taxes meaning LOWER REVENUE.
Report Post »LarryofArabia
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 3:54pmNot that you could understand any economic logic… get a job.
Thanks Barry.
Report Post »hcartexas
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 7:03pm@Better Red Then Dead…… you Vegetable…. Reagen was right… its recent history, and its economic FACT…. It doesnt matter what pamphlet you read last week at the local coffee house…
Report Post »The Third Archon
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 8:38pmLol, I love how Red posts a comment that’s not retarded, with links and warrants, and instead of answering it by addressing its substantive points, or presenting an alternative hypothesis with evidence, you all call him names–real mature gentlemen and ladies, bravo, bravo, Reagan would be proud.
As to the whole “boo-hoo rich people won’t spend their money hiring” argument:
1) They often don’t anyway. They won’t unless its profitable, and whether or not they have more money doesn‘t change whether or not it’s profitable.
2) We don’t NEED them to own the means of production and extract rent from them in order for them to continue to produce the things the economy needs the machinery of production to produce.
3) Rich people aren’t likely to spend more on consumption, thus indirectly supporting jobs, either as one of the hallmarks of being rich is that you have lower marginal propensity to spend (in other words, you spend a smaller proportion of your income) your money having already satisfied most of your demand by being rich (the more money you have, the more likely you are to have bought more of the things you want already).
And you say you support common sense, ah aha haah hah ha.
Report Post »Mil Mom
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 6:32pm@better red than dead
Report Post »Posted on July 30, 2011 at 3:12pm
Reducing taxes increases revenues? What?
***
Spot on Buddy, reducing taxes makes more taxpayers, 1) because it’s cheaper to pay the lower taxes than to pay a full time tax accountant to find loopholes for you. 2) Lower taxes means it’s cheaper to pay the taxes than to pay the corrupt foreign governments to let you relocate and do business in their lands {this works sooooo much better if you also cut red tape!} 3) Companies would rather have their management and central offices in a FREE COUNTRY (WHICH AMERICA USED TO BE) where their executives could enjoy living. Where the executives see it’s economical to locate the businesses IS WHERE THE JOBS ARE! 4) WHERE THE JOBS ARE IS WHERE TAXPAYERS ARE MADE! DURING HIGH TAX AND REGULATORY PERIODS BUSINESSES SURVIVE, BY BECOMEING **LEANER AND MEANER** DURING LOWER TAX AND REGULATION TIMES, THEY RELAX A LITTLE AND ENJOY LIFE WHICH MAKES OTHER BUSINESSES COME INTO BEING, TO PROVIDE THAT ENJOYMENT!
This is the model for our country, which our framers spent time ON THERE KNEES in prayer for during the Constitutional Convention; AND IT HAS KEPT AMERICANS ABLE TO CHANGE FROM LOWER CLASS TO MIDDLE CLASS, TO UPPER CLASS, ACCORDING TO THEIR WILLINGNESS TO WORK FOR IT!!! Slavery was abolished (doubtless much later than it should have been) and all Americans improved their lives if they wanted for many years, That which God has blessed, why would we want to fundametally chang
freeweever
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 2:50pmThis is what the progressive mind tries to think is hip. What it really shows is the fog in which they think in. It is a psychosis of the brain these people have, like their spiritual leader gay boy bill maher the big swallower bill. They are SuperEgoidManics and have not grown up in their minds do to a mental disorder appointed at birth, a defect. They would have been burned as witches earlier in human times. These people have been causing trouble since the begining of time and I think it is about time to turn their clocks off. It takes too much wasted energy talking to these oppositional communist who are self hating Americans and freedom destructive Cretins. Goodbye progressives!
Report Post »Micmac
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 3:01pmI like your nickname “Swallower Bill ”. But I think that could apply to Clinton, too.
NoBama 2012
Report Post »Mil Mom
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 6:46pmI wouldn’t begin to copy and paste the hate your spewing! Sure the prog frogs are set out to destroy all, but even our Lord (The only being who ever lived with both the authority and right to damn someone to hell !) Said “Father forgive them for they know not what they do!” If He could say that while suffering on that cross, we don’t have the right to do witch burnings, and mass murders! Remember, ” GOD IS NOT SLACK… AS SOME MEN COUNT SLACKNESS; BUT IS LONGSUFFERING TO US-WARD, NOT WILLING THAT ANY SHOULD PERISH. IIPeter 3:9
Report Post »Do our lamps need trimmed, that the Lower Lights be burning??
STUBBYK
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 2:40pmThe New York Times = The U.S. equivilant of Pravda.
Report Post »chips1
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 2:39pmSpreading the wealth only works if it’s properly applied. I’ll share my ammo; however only one per customer. Come and get it.
Report Post »UFOCPrez
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 2:35pmThe comments are rich… Why are people, Republicans included so willing to hand over personal wealth to the government? More than frustrating, it‘s sad that people don’t feel empowered to run their own lives at the local level.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 2:49pmWhat comments? Those who commented on The Blaze article below? Because if that is what you are talking about I do not see one single mention of anyone willing to pay taxes…yet…What I do see are numerous posts criticizing the NY Times…rightfully so…and two that mention people who want tax increases do not actually pay taxes themselves…
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 2:52pmMy apologies…I actually looked at the graph on their site and now see the comments you were referring to.
Report Post »Ghandi was a Republican
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 2:56pmHey– If the progs want to get the funds for spending – they have to go supply side. That‘s how Tip O’neil got the money when Reaganomics DOUBLED GDP..
Report Post »Link Spending to GDP Growth at 18% and the progs will have to put their own skin in the game. It is a true, fair and equitable “compromise”.
It does not fit Cloward-Piven sabotage though, and therein is their anger.. Spending without chaos and destruction means failure for progs! It’s just obvious.
Glenn in Virginia
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 2:35pmWell, I can tell you I voted “cut spending” and refuse to compromise on it.
Report Post »shilde58
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 2:43pmI agree with you Glen the Dems don’t give up anything and they insist on raising taxes so they can keep spending. They won‘t vote on the balance budget because they haven’t balanced one in 820 days and don’t intend to.
Report Post »nightbird
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 2:35pmI, as many other people stopped reading the New York Slimes years ago. I’m shocked that people are still reading it, but I wonder if people just use it to wrap their garbage.
Report Post »Bolo2811
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 2:33pmHere’s the problem……I bet that almost EVERY body who clicked to“raise taxes” themselves do not pay ANY taxes what-so-ever. This is a CORE problem with Americans today that have become lavish and ungrateful….they want to cut spending and raise taxes AS LONG AS it‘s not THEIR goodies that get cut or it’s THEIR income that gets taxed. Unfortunately, when too many people are IN the cart and no one left to actually PULL the cart the whole shabang will come to an abrupt end. Then the free loaders will riot in the street wanting their goodies back.
Report Post »dwh320
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 2:32pmThe NYT is so far left they could never print a honest story about the Tea Party or conservative views. Why waste time reading their trash.
Report Post »CitizenVetUSA
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 2:32pmNever trust NY Times ever.
Report Post »UlyssesP
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 2:30pmNY Times owns an etch-a-sketch. So what.
Report Post »Actually it‘s an interesting analysis assuming those dots aren’t being painted in by some interns over at the NY Times in between coffee runs.
Captain Crunch
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 2:30pmObama and the dems are a “glitch”.
Report Post »Anxiously awaiting the 2012 fix.
A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 2:30pmAnother point worth making is that people mistakently believe that we should raise tax revenue for paying for social welfare programs (which are unConstitutional), and that we don’t already have enough tax revenue to pay for a Constitutional, and drastically smaller, government.
Report Post »poster
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 2:30pmI don’t believe ANYTHING from the New York TImes. Their reporters have been known to lie. Look it up.
Report Post »Son_of_Liberty
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 2:29pmAnd they would‘ve gotten away with it too if it weren’t for those meddling facts and their dog!
Report Post »Smokey_Bojangles
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 2:27pmGood for lining bird cages and House training dogs.
Report Post »The_Plumber_Says
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 2:20pmI’m dumber for looking at that map
Report Post »chips1
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 2:49pmI can’t find Chicago on the map either.
Report Post »Dustyluv
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 2:15pmThe New York Times wouldn’t lie to us would they? hahahahaha
Report Post »lindathepatriot
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 2:24pmI am more likely to to the opposite of anything the N.Y. Times says. I don’t believe a word they print.
Report Post »FuzzeeLogic
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 2:52pmGuru: Just letting you know I’m passing by your storefront when I shop for Web strategy services. “Real” Web Gurus don’t violate the longstanding protocol against SHOUTING, using all capitol letters. Next, if you can’t travel to an outside link without anxiously thinking about bogeymen, you depth of understanding of browser and anti-virus technology is…well…shallow. Finally, you’re opting out of a chance to broaden your social awareness positively. Zombie is a critical thinker and a good writer. (PS: Hate isn’t in the vocabulary of a thinking man or woman, unless used humorously.)
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