Health

White House Denies ‘Death Panels’ Policy, Defends End-of-Life Planning

After a New York Times story sparked widespread speculation that the White House was walking back on its pledge to avoid so-called “death panels” in its health care overhaul policy, the White House Monday denied that its policy to reimburse doctors for end-of-life counseling sessions with seniors is something new.

Instead, the Obama White House says the new directive actually stems from a plan the Bush administration signed off on that included end-of-life counseling under Medicare.

“The only thing new here is a regulation allowing the discussions … to happen in the context of the new annual wellness visit created by the Affordable Care Act,” White House spokesman Reid Cherlin told The Wall Street Journal.

Meanwhile, MSNBC weighed in to the debate today, dismissing the “death panels” rumor as right-wing fodder:

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  • ensemble
    Posted on December 27, 2010 at 9:40pm

    A couple of problems here. Lib foxnews contributor Kirsten Powers just admitted that what could not get through in the legislative process, because of public outcry and politicians removing the language, has to get done by regulation instead of legislation. NO means NO, this is regulatory rape. Secondly, Kirsten yammered that this was done in Medicare under Bush and she was schooled that Bush vetoed the Medicare reimbursement bill and was over ridden by the dems. So, blaming Bush is a lie. And that legislation reimbursed a one time counseling for terminally ill patients. This monstrocity pays bribes for once a year death nudging. Not the same thing. And, Kisten, if it is already Medicare law and already is in play…why does it have to be brought up and pulled out of the health care legislation and why does it have to be snuck in and regulated now??? hmmm? Maybe because a one time reimbusement for terminally ill patients under Medicare is not the same as death panels for Obama care…doh!!!!!!!!!

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    • calijohn
      Posted on December 27, 2010 at 10:07pm

      medicare reimbursement bill, 2008, is not the same as the prescription bill passed in 2003, which contained the end-of-life counseling.

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  • Smokey_Bojangles
    Posted on December 27, 2010 at 9:35pm

    And the new end of life planning Czar….Dr. Jack Kevorkian.

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  • The Gooch
    Posted on December 27, 2010 at 9:23pm

    Hmm, my first comment on this article was policed out? Perhaps The Blaze isn’t the brave forum I was expecting. Oh, well, I’ll hang around for s***ts and giggles. Allow me to grace you with a cut and paste of an earlier post that made it thru, but I believe still applies to this article, also. Deny me, ‘cuz I hear rejection builds character, and I wanna be known as The Character! Nyuck! Nyuck! Nyuck!

    I gotta step off the reservation on this one. The govt. ain‘t doin’ nothin‘ that wasn’t being done by the private sector, excpect the govt. (I can‘t believe I’m saying this) is being more honest about it. This comes down to both a cost-benefit analysis (which is a driving factor for insurance companies… it‘s why you don’t insure the elderly and terminally ill) and a matter of recognizing mortality and being prepared for it.
    My state has allowed its citizens to take an active role in planning for the unthinkable:
    http://www.hsc.wvu.edu/chel/wvi/
    Where is the harm in legally asserting yourself and not having a big, emotionally charged burden left to one’s family? Seems like a simple and quick question to answer: What to do with me if I can’t speak for myself? How will I prepare for my final days?
    Listen, I am by no means a fan of the govt., but any serious review of this issue reveals the govt. is gonna have to contend with the same issues the private sector deals with: Old people are sickly and expensive. That ain’t being mean or inhuman, that’s a fact as far as modern medicine is concerned. So, is it fair to the constituency that Uncle Joe who smoked, drank and ate his way into infirmity eeks out another six weeks of existence (not necessarily what I’d call life) at the expense of the tax payer? Sounds like greed and a denial of mortality to me. I’m a firm believer in quality over quanity.
    Once again, I DO NOT TRUST ANY GOVT. AGENT ONCE HE/SHE IS OUT OF MY SIGHT. Hell, I’d as soon smack Jay Rockefeller, one of my state senators, in the suck hole as give him the time of day.
    We’ll gladly go pick out headstones and caskets but not address our final days and how we intend to let the medical industry artificially squeeze another six weeks out of a breathing corpse? Man, talk about some unresolved issues regarding mortality. By God, if I get my way, I’ll die smiling in the sun while out squirrel hunting, not at the mercy of monster, er, modern medicine. THE WAY WE DIE IS UNNATURAL AND MONSTROUS. Who wants to die in a ******* hospital? Not me. Cling to your flesh selfishly at the emotional an financial expense of your family. Yep. How brave. How American.

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    • calijohn
      Posted on December 28, 2010 at 12:38am

      you’re right, gooch.
      the time to make tough decisions is well before the decision needs to be made.
      make the tough call when you have all your faculties available.

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  • bookofwisdom
    Posted on December 27, 2010 at 9:21pm

    Of course Doctor X, I don’t mind a little bus ride. You say lots of people with health problems will be going to the same place. Well, good, I don’t like traveling alone. What will happen when I get there Doctor. Oh, we’re all going to give our belongings to the government and take a little nap. Oh, OK, I guess if lots of others are going I guess I can too. Would you call my daughter and tell her where you’re taking me. No. Well, maybe I can call her when I get there. (My personal impression of Obama’s new end-of-life law.) May God Bless.

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    • paperpushermj
      Posted on December 27, 2010 at 9:41pm

      And the Sign over the door will say…“WORK WILL MAKE YOU FREE”

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    • JohnQTaxpayer
      Posted on December 27, 2010 at 10:05pm

      Or the sign will say;

      Abandon hope all ye who enter here

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    • JohnQTaxpayer
      Posted on December 27, 2010 at 10:41pm

      Look at what has been done here, a place where hope, healing, life, and compassion has been transformed into a place of death, despair, and no hope for those who need it most
      It takes pure EVIL to think these things up

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  • 1TrueOne55
    Posted on December 27, 2010 at 9:19pm

    And the “FIX” for the prescription drug “Donut Hole” another $250 for a $1400 hole, who has the fuzzy math on this equation.

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    • 1TrueOne55
      Posted on December 27, 2010 at 9:22pm

      And that is a “ONE TIME ONLY PAYMENT” for drugs that you have to take for the rest of your life. And increasing the medical formulary to include OVER THE COUNTER Medications that have been available for decades, they will now require a DR.s note to obtain. Whose killin’ who here.

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  • missmarie
    Posted on December 27, 2010 at 9:17pm

    Not really surprising since the moment the bill passed there was discussion about the various Executive Orders being processed to “tweak” the plan. The infrastructure for some of these various “counseling” elements in our “surprise” healthcare takeover was funded in the stimulus bill. The administration has no intention on stopping. Our only hope is that we don’t get bogged down debating the various elements and focus squarely and intently on repealing the entire package based on it being unconstitutional to begin with. Call your reps – daily if necessary!

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  • AmericanWomanFirst
    Posted on December 27, 2010 at 9:14pm

    Since when did my donut become the government’s “dough”? Medicare can take a flippin fry cake and stuff it up along with the pork stuffing their trying so hard to shove down the throats of the American people, only to find Andy Griffith reruns eating the donut hole, smiling, strumming his guitar, choking on the glaze and askin his doctor :Hey Doc, ya got milk? Doc replies “ you’re out of the hole and milk. Shut up and die.

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  • paperpushermj
    Posted on December 27, 2010 at 9:09pm

    When did “Death Panel” as defined by Mrs Palin morph into your doctor having a “End of Life” consultation with a patient. This is subterfuge on the behalf of the left. Mrs Palin described the withholding of Services and or Medications based on accrual consideration.

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    • 1TrueOne55
      Posted on December 27, 2010 at 9:17pm

      You are correct on that but as with all things Progressive they have to “progress” past into the words of the Great OZ, “pay no mind to the man behind the curtain”. What is really arse burning is they are now howling that this passed under Bush’s term as President. Didn’t Bush VETO that bill? and who was it that over turned that veto. {pot calling kettle *****(latin for black)???} yet again Progressives progressing. The only way Progressives can Progress is to ride a Merry Go Round (SPIN) of patronizing rhetoric.

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    • paperpushermj
      Posted on December 27, 2010 at 9:34pm

      1true: What they are attempting to do is defend the indefensible( (denying Meds based on cost x estimated years of life left ) by changing the meaning to something less disturbing to the American People. He who controls the ability to define a word owns that word. In other words SPIN

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  • JohnQTaxpayer
    Posted on December 27, 2010 at 9:05pm

    The open betrayal of the American taxpayer by the government officials

    You are raising the national debt limit by 1.8 trillion to 14 trillion dollars. You have no intension of even trying to balance the Federal budget. You are spending more tax dollars than you take in, the 14 trillion dollars will take hundreds of years to pay back if ever.
    Fiscal collapse will be the most likely the final outcome.

    You are using blatant fiscal fraud in clear view of the public.

    You added 5000 earmarks to the health care bill.

    You openly bought votes to pass legislation.

    You are lying openly and repeatedly, OPENLY AND REPEATELY

    You are trying to pass legislation that will lead this country to economic Armageddon.

    Your arrogance and open hatred of the taxpayers is unbelievable.

    You are purposefully trying to collapse the countries fiscal system.

    You are willingly and openly committing treason against the country

    You are doing all this intentionally.

    You know from history YOU have placed this country on the path to bankruptcy.

    I ask you the following;

    Do you really believe that “we the people” do not see clearly what you are doing?

    Do you not see how obvious it is, that you are clearly responsible for what is happening?

    Do you really believe if you cause the collapse of our fiscal system, you will survive the revolt? (And if you do survive)

    Do you really believe you will be permitted to be anywhere near those involved in the recovery?

    Do you really believe you are getting away with any of this?

    Do you think “we the people” will not come for your heads?

    Do you really believe you are super human beings and can not bleed? You are fooling only your selves.

    Do you really hate this country and the taxpayers this much?

    Let me make this perfectly clear

    If you bankrupt this country and take me down with it, then I will have nothing left to loose.

    Then you will have everything to loose, one way or another.

    So remember this if nothing else.

    Now as you urinate on the small remaining flame of the torch of freedom, lit by forefathers, “we the people” do hold you accountable, for you had many other nobler choices, you chose to enslave the people. Look at history you will not be able to hide. “We the people” will come for you just as others have come from their destroyers in the past, and you will pay for your deception, corruption, treachery, abuse, thievery and incompetence.

    I do not stand alone; you forget, I am “We the people”

    John Q Taxpayer

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    • momsense
      Posted on December 28, 2010 at 4:19am

      There is a method to slove this problem—–it’s called impeachment. Advoacting extermination of part of the population certainly qualifies.

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  • marhee9
    Posted on December 27, 2010 at 9:01pm

    @Joseph – It‘s paying doctor’s to discuss this on a yearly basis with patients. If you pay the doctor’s to do this, they will, whether you want it or not. Who wouldn’t? It seems like conditioning to me.

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  • The Gooch
    Posted on December 27, 2010 at 8:59pm

    Once again, I’m gonna stray off the reservation on this issue. Like it or not, when it comes to health care, the govt. is holding the purse strings for lots o’ people, just as many of us depend on private sector providers. Why is it okay for corporations to engage in cost-benefit analysis when it comes to health care, but not the govt.? This also encourages OWNERSHIP of one’s health. Once again, what the hell is the problem here? It’s better to burden your family with such unsavory decisions or do you trust men in clean white coats with nice, foreign accents to know what’s best for you? Death panels exist in private sector insurance industry, but, when on the govt. teat, no expense is to be spared? Lots of questions need to be answered before I’ll lumber into the zombie walk.
    I am not a fan of govt. intrusion, but I’ve seen this fear mongering BS play out with Medicaid in the state of WV when smoking cessation programs and wellness center programs were offered as a requirement for full govt. benefits to smokers and fatties. If you were found to be a tobacco user or fatty, you weren’t gonna be given full benefits (i.e., tax payers weren‘t going to have to pay for any slug’s unhealthy choices). This got turned into a “rights” issue and revealed the greed of both Medicaid recipients and providers: Recipients may smoke and be overweight, but don’t you dare penalize them for personal choices! WTF!?! When the hell did we stumble upon this endless supply of resources and throw personal responsibility out the window? Did that bill die? Oh, yes, it’s deader than disco.
    It seems that if you can‘t wrap your head around how this isn’t some abomination, you’re greedily asserting, “You will sustain me for as long as you can no matter the cost, no questions asked!!!” That’s conservative? That’s libertarian? Nope. That’s greedy and stupid. Everyone hates big govt. until they suspect they’re losing their nibble at the teat. And then thru some bizarre mental gymnastics, fear mongering is used to make people believe that owning their health and recognizing mortality is one step away from the ovens. I welcome any intelligent response to make me reconsider this issue. Choke on your partisan venom if that’s all you have to offer.

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    • momsense
      Posted on December 28, 2010 at 4:17am

      the government shouldn’t be in the health care business to begin with. Private insurance companies should offer seniors better and less expensive plans than they do and then we wouldn’t have any government interference.

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    • The Gooch
      Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:05am

      …and in a perfect world I’d have a flying car and shoot a 12 point buck every year. IF you don’t want govt. making health care decisions for you, then you’d best avoid Medicaid and Medicare. Understand I am FAR from a liberal apologist for govt., but Americans have become so stupidly greedy to the point of irrational behavior when it comes to health. I have 69 year old uncle (Vietnam vet) who has had two knee surgeries on the tax payer’s dime and yet he WILL NOT bother to control his appetite and he WILL NOT faithfully engage in physical therapy. Would he pitch a fit if he was denied the knee surgeries? Oh, you betchya.
      The problem as I see it is that health care has become to the partisan right what global warming is to the partisan left: An emotionally charged issue that amounts to fear mongering so as to get folks whipped up into a frenzy with half truths and flat out BS.
      Last night after I posted this, I went and rode my stationary bike for an hour and then did some pull ups on fine and cheap piece of equipment I bought at my local Walmart. How many of you sat on your fat rears stuffing garbage down your throats? That’s my problem? Oh, do tell…
      The way I see it, you’re being suckered into demanding big govt. when it’s convenient for you. The Tea Party wants to cut govt. spending, but won’t back moves to make people more responsible for their own health? I’m calling BS.

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    • Lloyd Drako
      Posted on December 28, 2010 at 10:04am

      No one should have health insurance.

      Everyone should have health care.

      The best health care is preventive, failing which health care has to be curative or palliative.

      A little money spent on the first of these can save a lot of money on the second and third, no matter who is paying.

      At some point, health care has to be rationed, since resources are not unlimited.

      Is it better for it to be rationed by the market or by the state.

      Consider your answers carefully; there are bad consequences either way.

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    • The Gooch
      Posted on December 28, 2010 at 8:11pm

      True enough. Do you accept that everyone be given health care at the cost of general quality (great for the common cold, sprains and ingrown toenails, not so great for catastrophic accidents or illnesses) or do you expect people to own their health and be penalized for choices? Then, those of us who do bother to take care of ourselves can be given a break. Private sector insurance companies do this; I expect the govt. to do this, also. There should be no free ride for fatties, smokers and the like… any self-imposed condition that is not job related. It just seems way too many people expect a free lunch when it comes to health care, even so called conservatives. Is no one watching the damn news? “Screw you, future generations; I‘m gettin’ mine!” How noble and responsible… seems like lots o’ people are greedy, short sighted turds on this issue.

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    • Lloyd Drako
      Posted on March 27, 2012 at 12:42pm

      No, I don’t expect that everybody should be given health care, for ingrown toenails, heart surgery or anything else. Everyone, fatties and smokers included, should help pay for it, and the cost should be spread around, either through taxation or by payment of premiums to private companies, or some combination of both, which is what Obamacare does.

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  • ChiRho4Life
    Posted on December 27, 2010 at 8:52pm

    lame duck ..pull the plug…lame duck..pull the plug

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  • Mojoron
    Posted on December 27, 2010 at 8:48pm

    This is just another brick in the wall for government interference into our lives. First comes the idea, then the regulation then the money. What ever you call it, the government WILL have the say on when Medicare support will be pulled from a patient, the regulation just makes it legal.

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  • calijohn
    Posted on December 27, 2010 at 8:38pm

    evidently you didn;t read the article.
    the “end of life counseling” was already in the medicare part d. that is the presecription plan passed in 2003.
    the only change being made is moving it from part d to part a or part b.
    now, when you go for a “wellness” visit (a physical that you now can get yearly), you CAN VOLUNTARILY counsel with YOUR DOCTOR about things like a living will, terminal plans, organ donor status, etc.
    the whole thing is VOLUNTARY.

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    • commonsenseguy
      Posted on December 27, 2010 at 8:48pm

      you are right,but how can we trust them with any thing they say,when they changed the wording on just about every bill the wrote . if this is the way it is going to be just a voluntary conversation between the doctor and patient then great!!!!!!

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    • Teleologicus
      Posted on December 27, 2010 at 9:09pm

      All of the voluntary counseling was available without the bill. It is hardly necessary to pay physicians to discuss matters with patients who want to discuss such things. The aim of the bill is to “incentivize” physicians with cash payments so that they will “counsel” patients who have not asked for such “counseling.“ Another poster claimed that the bill is a good thing because it ”allows” the physician to talk with patients about such matters – but physicians have always been “allowed” to do so. One may have the personal belief that it is a good and desirable thing for everyone to have such discussions – but to use taxpayer funds to pay physicians to force such conversations on patients who have not requested them is an unjustifiable intrusion. What makes it particularly disgusting is the dishonest agenda that everybody but the most naive can easily spot: it is purely and simply about saving money. Finally, it should be kept in mind that while such “counseling” may be voluntary at present, government programs have a way of morphing into requirements as they go along.

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  • Into The Night
    Posted on December 27, 2010 at 8:33pm

    A new thriller with a different kind of death panel. Download it and read it for free. You know you need content for your new, iPad, or Kindle.

    http://studios.amazon.com/scripts/2761

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  • SND97
    Posted on December 27, 2010 at 8:32pm

    Leave it ti Liberals to do everything they can to get abortions and now death panels, Democrat the party of Death. thats all they care about

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  • commonsenseguy
    Posted on December 27, 2010 at 8:32pm

    this is the most two faced liars in one place that i have ever seen or heard in one place, one lie after another, by obamas on guy who is in charge of the new health care, he is a big supporter of britain’s end of life care laws in which they let the elderly suffer and have end of life counseling!!!!

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    • Lloyd Drako
      Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:55am

      You’re confusing me. Do the British let the elderly suffer or do they spare them suffering by killing them?

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  • Rickfromillinois
    Posted on December 27, 2010 at 8:30pm

    The end of life counseling was removed from the bill in order to get the bill passed. Then the Executive branch decides that it should have remained in so they pass a rule putting it back in, and by the way ignoring the will of Congress while doing so. And we are supposed to be convinced that this is a good thing? What other things that the Congress didn’t pass into law is the Executive branch is going to decide that they should have so they just make another rule?

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  • Deanna in Missouri
    Posted on December 27, 2010 at 8:29pm

    Is it just me or do most liberals lack the beauty test?

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    • momsense
      Posted on December 28, 2010 at 4:13am

      And they certainly can’t pass the smell test either–they stink on ice

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  • BuckOfama
    Posted on December 27, 2010 at 8:28pm

    How about we just have death panels for those sucking the welfare teet generation after generation.

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    • cheezwhiz
      Posted on December 27, 2010 at 8:41pm

      Now that would be soooooo racist .
      What will happen to AlSharpton who wants his 5% ,
      and LaRaza who want their land back ?

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    • beebacksoon
      Posted on December 27, 2010 at 8:54pm

      Amen! I’m sick and tired of footin the bill for lazy, good for nothin people that feel the govt owes them..So they’ll suck the milk and honey comb dry. Grow up! It’s time to stop the breast milk and opt for solid foods purchased with your own, hard earned money…Not mine!!!!!!!!!!!

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    • momsense
      Posted on December 28, 2010 at 4:11am

      Coudn’t agree more. All they do is breed and dump the spawn on the tax payers.

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  • SnapTie
    Posted on December 27, 2010 at 8:27pm

    Do you think they could find any liberals to appear on MSNBC?

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    • Deanna in Missouri
      Posted on December 27, 2010 at 8:31pm

      Wasn‘t it Ed Shultz today that said he won’t have any conservatives on his show? How do you explain both sides if you only have a one sided story? Oh never mind I forgot its MSNBC

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  • Redrox
    Posted on December 27, 2010 at 8:26pm

    Sounds to me like the white house needs some “end of life counseling”

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  • randy
    Posted on December 27, 2010 at 8:23pm

    Bull Crap!

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  • CatB
    Posted on December 27, 2010 at 8:21pm

    Oh really .. you take it out to get it passed and then put it in the regulation after passage and we are suppposed to like it .. give me a break .. and keep your end of life crap .. we don’t need the government in it .. and then taking a big percentage in DEATH TAXES on top of it!

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    • oldchevyguy
      Posted on December 27, 2010 at 8:28pm

      I think you are on to something

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    • marhee9
      Posted on December 27, 2010 at 8:30pm

      This is the way it’s going to work for the next 2 years. We can’t trust this guy at all. Check the link for a video from when the media went after Palin for telling how this was going to work. She nailed it, as usual. http://www.donsmithshow

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    • cheezwhiz
      Posted on December 27, 2010 at 8:30pm

      After a New York Times story sparked widespread speculation that the White House was walking back on its pledge to avoid so-called “death panels” in its health care overhaul policy, the White House Monday denied that its policy to reimburse doctors for end-of-life counseling sessions with seniors is something new.

      ———
      Translation :

      WH always wanted death – panels and nothing has changed even though American people are against it.
      Doctors will get commision for every patient they push towards the light, just like originally planned

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    • cnsrvtvj
      Posted on December 27, 2010 at 8:32pm

      @catb – I agree. I don’t need the government telling me how to manage my health. Stay out of my business.

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    • lovenfl3
      Posted on December 27, 2010 at 8:38pm

      Just like with the off-shore drilling moratorium, the judge threw it out, so they filed a new one. These guys don’t care about laws and legislation. They think they can do what they want, when they want.

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    • cheezwhiz
      Posted on December 27, 2010 at 8:39pm

      The only thing new here is a regulation allowing the discussions … to happen in the context of the new annual wellness visit created by the Affordable Care Act,” White House spokesman Reid Cherlin told The Wall Street Journal.
      ———————

      Translation :

      Under the fed-med-dead law, everytime a medicare patient comes into a doctor’s office for his / her vitals monitered, the doctor will be mandated to consider the availability of rationed resources before deciding if that patient can be allowed live for another year.

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    • Lonescrapper
      Posted on December 27, 2010 at 8:41pm

      **Jedi Hand Wave**

      This isn’t the death panels you were looking for….

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    • marhee9
      Posted on December 27, 2010 at 8:42pm

      I love how the administration had to throw Bush in on this one too.

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    • HillBillySam1
      Posted on December 27, 2010 at 8:46pm

      The “Law of Un-Intended (or perhaps Intended) Consequences” is about to kick in with the Healthcare Bill. We will not have a true grasp of how hideous it is until we are knee-deep in it. There is no way that they can afford to pay for all of these tests and procedures. They will have to pick-and-choose who will receive the care that is required. Won’t everyone be happy when the healthcare that you actually receive will be some foreign-speaking doctor telling you, “Sorry, Sir/Madam….it must SUCK to be you right now!”???

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    • CatB
      Posted on December 27, 2010 at 8:46pm

      Defund and then REPEAL OBAMACARE!

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    • joseph Fawcett
      Posted on December 27, 2010 at 8:49pm

      Now as I understand it from reading about it here on the Blaze, all this is; is allowing the doctors to discuss the treatment for end of life. If that is true then that is a great thing to do. I worked with hospice patients, Hospice is one of the options a person has. It is the option I will choose as soon as I can in the progress of any terminal disease I may get. Being educated about treatment options and choosing one that fits you and your circumstances is very important to you and the loved ones who have to care for you. You should plan your funeral and have a will prepared too.

      Now if the Goverment is limiting the options to people for care who don’t have terminal diseases or conditions or even limiting the care that can be given to terminal patients then that is wrong. However I have not read nor heard anything about the goverment doing that yet. So don’t jump the gun on this one. Discussion of the end of life issues such as treatment options, funeral arrangements, and wills are very important and can be a great help to the families left behind.

      http://www.josephfawcettart.com western artist

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    • @leftfighter
      Posted on December 27, 2010 at 9:02pm

      They’re gonna defend this even after they appoint Jack Kevorkian to head up the system.

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    • Curator_JDR
      Posted on December 27, 2010 at 9:09pm

      How about some cyanide and a Hefty Bag with a twist tie? That will be the government death benefit. “Complete Lives” is a concept right out of Nazi Germany and other totalitarian regimes.

      How do we stop this? IIts time to LAUGH this seditious clan into “submission”. Ridicule of Progressives is the social atom bomb that will remake this country.

      Just released. An Animated Short Feature Film “A Not So Grimm Fairy Tale” ………… Political Satire without the restraint of correctness. Synopsis: The people of “Hairmerica” were mislead into believing a totalitarian political machine. They awaken and take back their nation from the grip of Sorge Goros and Nancy Poles-i-don’t-see with the assistance of Ms. Bearah Sailin and her grizzly bear clan.

      http://www.marcrubin.com/hairmerica.ivnu

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    • cheezwhiz
      Posted on December 27, 2010 at 9:13pm

      “The only thing new here is a regulation allowing the discussions … to happen in the context of the new annual wellness visit created by the Affordable Care Act,” White House spokesman Reid Cherlin told The Wall Street Journal.

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      The more I read this, the more it creeps me out .
      How will this ahem ..regulation be implemented ?
      Will there be annual evaluations of medicare patients ,
      to decide if they deserve to live one more year ?
      How will the doctor tell the patient that he / she has been denied an extension of life ?
      How much time will the patient have before his / her dirtnap ?
      How much commission will the doctor be paid by medicare for every patient he gets OFF medicare rolls ? Will such practice be incentivised with Carribean cruises or vacations to spa resorts for doctors and their families ?
      Will gramma and grampa shake with fear everytime they are loaded on to the family van for their annual “ visit” to their medicare provider ?

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    • cheezwhiz
      Posted on December 27, 2010 at 9:18pm

      @leftfighter

      They’re gonna defend this even after they appoint Jack Kevorkian to head up the system.
      ————-

      They have Dr Ezekiel Emmanual and Holdren in the WH,
      thats worse than Kevorkian IMHO .
      Atleast Kevorkian was punished and incarcerated …these 2 ghouls of the WH will escape any punishment.

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    • AmericanSoldier
      Posted on December 27, 2010 at 9:21pm

      @CHEEZEWIZ

      Now THAT is what the death panel is. They think because there’s not an actual panel of judges that sit there and review your charts and then vote on whether you live or die, that death panels don’t exist. It’s the concept that exist based on healthcare rationing.

      Maybe there needs to be a new term for it. When people think death panel, they look at it literally. The politicians are correct in that there is no death panels on the bill. It’s a de facto death panel that stems from the need for doctors to ration care and to give care to those that have more life to gain from it, according to them.

      Still wrong on all accounts.

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    • walkwithme1966
      Posted on December 27, 2010 at 10:04pm

      You people are all crazy!! This is just a simple matter of having an end of life discussion with your doctor under Medicare and the doctor being able to get paid for it. It has nothing to do with Estate taxes. And since so very few people are even effecedt by the so called “death tax” why do you care. None of you probably has estate large enough to be covered under this because if you did you sure won‘t be hanging around Beck’s website. http://maboulette.wordpress.com

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    • cheezwhiz
      Posted on December 27, 2010 at 10:20pm

      @ walkwithme1966

      So lemme guess.
      You also believe that :

      The only way to plan a parenthood is to kill a baby.

      Choice means right to kill as in ” pro-choice”

      Well I wouldn‘t be surprised since I’m sure you will find it interesting that the only issue on which we have the Senator Hussain actually articulating a thought and philosophy is why a baby which has survived an abortion should be killed ( hint : to save money ). This is the guy who finds it above his paygrade to even KNOW about “ when life begins ” , but wants the government
      ( or the ” doctor’s paymaster ” ) to decide to kill a baby even if it refuses to die in the first attempt.

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    • oldguy49
      Posted on December 27, 2010 at 10:38pm

      has anyone ever seen the movie solent green??? i think i spelled that right

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    • chfields62
      Posted on December 28, 2010 at 1:35am

      They are not death panels, they are end of life consultations…..you say tomato, I say tomatoe

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    • Nvrforget
      Posted on December 28, 2010 at 7:38am

      “They are not death panels, they are end of life consultations…..you say tomato, I say tomatoe”

      If ‘tomato’ and ‘tomatoe’ are two totally different and unrelated things, you’re correct.

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    • grandmaof5
      Posted on December 28, 2010 at 8:04am

      How ’bout they plan their “end of life” and I plan mine. If not, how ’bout we plan “end of life” for some of their washed up radical buddies, sooner rather than later, isn’t that the plan?

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    • piper60
      Posted on December 28, 2010 at 8:54am

      I agree about the govt should stay out of it. I also see the above commenter‘s point about Logan’s Run. Life in the U.S. is looking more and more like the book 1984 by George Orwell.

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  • TruthTalker
    Posted on December 27, 2010 at 8:20pm

    yeah, right…

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    • MiketheTrucker
      Posted on December 27, 2010 at 10:53pm

      Donald Berwick is a one man death panel.

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    • stevekingg
      Posted on December 27, 2010 at 11:27pm

      I hear Logan’s Run is being shown in the White House.

      Any clue on when they will be putting those little glowing gems on our hands when we know it is time to be exterminated?

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    • Cobra Blue
      Posted on December 28, 2010 at 12:23am

      It’s a lie folks. There ability to deny the truth is second nature to these folks. One of the techniques from Saul Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals”. You tell the people what they want to hear when you are speaking to them, but continue doing just the opposite behind the scenes. Read “The Shadow Party” by David Horowitz. It explains everything that is happening now and is going to happen in detail…to a T. The Progressives are living out in full color right before our very eyes what the books Rules for Radicals and The Shadow Party both outline.

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    • 101
      Posted on December 28, 2010 at 12:28am

      .
      Just hypothetical???

      You’re 65 years old 30 pounds overweight and you need a triple bypass, sorry but you don’t qualify for Obamacare in defense of end-of-life Planning you‘re a burden due to medical cost required to operate and you’re a non productive human living off the government…die quickly so we can tax you!

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    • AzDebi
      Posted on December 28, 2010 at 12:32am

      @COBRABLUE…”You tell the people what they want to hear when you are speaking to them, but continue doing just the opposite behind the scenes”…also sounds like the directives from the Koran to me!!!…you’re correct…good point!

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    • Shurmus
      Posted on December 28, 2010 at 12:49am

      So lets get this straight…they deny death panels, but defend “end of life planning”.

      So, in essence, this is just one more pathetic example of politicians mincing words. What is the difference?

      Bolton / Palin 2012

      http://www.slugbuddies.com

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    • kryptonite
      Posted on December 28, 2010 at 5:49am

      “…a regulation allowing the discussions … to happen in the context of the new annual wellness visit created by the Affordable Care Act…”

      Let’s see. There will be a “wellness” annual visit to your doctor, where the subject of end-of-life counseling mmaaayyy come up. If it does, your doctor will get paid. Believe me, your doc will lure you to the rocks like the songs of sirens in mythology charmed the hapless sailors. The question is so simple even the useful idiots can get it, if they decide to think for themselves: Is doc getting paid to extend life, bankrupt Obamacare and be penalized, OR to get unproductive Americans to die quickly? Tough choice.

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    • Polwatcher
      Posted on December 28, 2010 at 6:07am

      Bush vetoed the death panel provision in 2008 and the veto was overturned by the Dems. Any doctor that gets in my face on this subject better be ready to get my response.

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    • avenger
      Posted on December 28, 2010 at 6:11am

      aha….on page 345,sec ab2 states the death panels start at age 55.how about those apples America….

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    • Marcobob69
      Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:14am

      Isn‘t it a coincidence how many things the progressives said WEREN’T going to happen are now happening!!! Funny, huh??? WAKE UP, AMERICA!!!!

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    • jbh
      Posted on December 28, 2010 at 10:02am

      My favorite time of the year is right now. Nothing can get done in DC. Wonder if the American people can extend the Christmas and New Years holidays through the first quarter of the year.

      Or wonder if we can save some money in DC and have each senator and congressman live in their own state and district. Sounds like Texas to me. How nice would that be for Americans. Just a thought. Not counting the money the American people can save.

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    • jblovesAmerica
      Posted on December 28, 2010 at 11:13am

      this is a personal issue, that must be addressed by family, clergy, loved ones.
      NOT THE GOVERNMENT

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    • hauschild
      Posted on December 28, 2010 at 1:02pm

      CobraBlue:

      So, does that then mean that the end game is to get rid of the “unproductive” bodies, not necessarily sick ones? If that’s the case, then I’m all for getting rid of the 47% in this fine country that don’t pay federal income taxes. You can’t get much less productive than that, and you’d be able to wipe out about 150 million bottom feeders. That should be right up the progressive’s allies, right?

      Oh, but wait – you wipe out all the losers and suddenly there is no more need for liberals and democrats. I wonder if these people have thought that far ahead? Maybe they have and they’ve settled for the deep-sixing of old people.

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    • 101
      Posted on December 28, 2010 at 1:22pm

      .
      @hauschild
      What if you’re 65 years old retired & forced to be on Obamacare, are you a bottom feeder?
      No just the poor shmuck that worked your whole life to be refused healthcare because you no longer “productive” a working slave paying taxes!

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    • hauschild
      Posted on December 28, 2010 at 3:20pm

      101:

      You misunderstood my post, as I was “either/or” in terms of old people or unproductive slugs (aka bottom feeders).

      In my book, if you’re 65 and have lived a semi-productive life – regardless of how unhealthy you may have lived it – you get your health care until the cows come home.

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    • gallium31
      Posted on December 28, 2010 at 6:35pm

      Is it just me or do those “New health care law” commercials about the new benefits, Yearly check ups and cancer screening. Make alot of sense in this context. Well Mr. Smith you have cancer It may be a good idea to consider doing yourself so the government can save money to insure the looser smoking dope and playing video games in his parents basement.

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    • GOTT-EM-MAUSER
      Posted on December 29, 2010 at 12:24am

      Time has come for all those Americans that can, to start making “End of Life” plans for all these Communist Rats in D.C. No counseling required, same plan for ALL. Hold center of mass and squeeze.

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    • Dockta
      Posted on December 30, 2010 at 5:56pm

      Obama’s health care is a 2010 remake of the 1973 movie Soylent Green.

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