WI Elementary School Confiscates, Bans 2nd Grader’s Christian-Themed Valentines
- Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:19pm by
Billy Hallowell
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Dexter Thielhelm, a second-grader at James Madison Elementary School in Sheboygan, Wisconsin, had a simple message for his classmates: “Jesus loves you.” The young boy had worked diligently with his mother and siblings to create candy and notes for his friends at school, as he filled empty water bottles with candy and a rolled-up a Bible verse (John 3:16) to share with his classmates. But earlier this week, to the surprise of the boy and his family, school officials confiscated the valentines before they could be handed out.
Photo of the Bible verse present within Dexter's valentines (Image Credit: Gary C. Klein / The Sheboygan Press)
Apparently, it is district policy that Christian valentines not be distributed — a message that Melissa Wolf, Dexter’s mother, received when she met with principal Matthew Driscoll this week. The verse, ”For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life,” was apparently too religious in nature for the school to allow to be disseminated.
Wolf, 30, who has spoken out to media outlets, says that she’s not happy with the way in which the principal handled the situation. Driscoll, however, declined to comment to media on Wednesday.
“He wishes I would have asked him for permission to hand out this questionable material,” Wolf explained, describing her interaction with the principal. “I did not get an apology. I got an apology that he didn’t call me; I didn’t get an apology for taking this away from my children. He sat and listened to me kindly, and heard the things that made me upset.”
Here’s the really intriguing element to the story. Wolf has two other children at the same school. Both of whom are autistic and nonverbal. These children made similar valentines and they, too, were confiscated. But one of her other children who attends a different school — a local charter institution — handed his notes out without a hitch, the Wausau Daily Herald reports.
While Wolf is clearly frustrated by the situation, the district’s assistant superintendent, Mark Holzman, addressed the issues and attempted to explain the rationale behind the confiscation. The district doesn‘t have a specific policy that bans religious verses being handed out on Valentine’s Day, he said, but the young age of the children was one of the primary reasons he cited (i.e. the students aren’t old enough to understand the religious message).
Melissa Wolf and her son Dexter Thielhelm (Image Credit: Gary C. Klein/The Sheboygan Press)
The district also had concerns that the Christian content could lead others with negative messages to also distribute to fellow classmates. After all, once one person is allowed to hand out a message, any individual can then tout his or her values, Holzman argued.
“Otherwise we would be allowing anybody to give out personal messages or values,” Holzman explained. “If somebody wanted to put anti-Semitism in there … people would be outraged by that. If kids have a choice, it’s a different scenario. But in this case we’re talking about handing it out to everyone in the class, and they don’t have a choice.”
Wolf says that, though the school attempted to explain to Dexter why the valentines couldn’t be handed out, he was embarrassed and confused by the incident.
(H/T: Wausau Daily Herald)
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Comments (297)
b00x
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 2:06pmI hate the bastards that are working to tear our country apart bit by bit. I must admit, however, that they’re doing an incredibly efficient job of it.
kathleenlee
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 4:26pmYou know…a colorado high school allows a song stating that allah is the one and only god…but won’t allow Christmas carols about Jesus. Now to take a child’s valentine cards…a little excessive don’t you think…NO I guess not when progressive unions are doing everything in their power to stop Christianity…But our nation was founded on Judeo/Christian belief. You progressives have perverted to true meaning of the separation of church and state. The only time you back off, is if it fits your agenda. You are pathetic people who should actually read a history book printed before the start of the 20th century…you might then learn the truth.
Report Post »Zipit
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 4:35pmAsked for comment, the entire staff of the school, instead of explaining their position, has run away to the neighboring state of hypocrisy. You know, in the grand tradition of the Wisconsin state senate democrats. Go get em Walker!!!!!
Report Post »FreedomPurveyor
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 4:53pmWhy do we continue to allow the liberals to blatantly trample all over the 1st amendment, while using the same as an excuse for doing it?
foobear
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 5:54pm@Boox: “I hate the bastards that are working to tear our country apart bit by bit. ”
Did you even read the story?
The district bans all Valentine cards. It had nothing to do with religion.
Temper your outrage for things that matter, will you?
Report Post »PubliusPencilman
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 6:04pmI’m going to guess that most of you Blazers are for local control of schools…
So why don’t you all mind your own business and let the district conduct its schools as it sees fit? Believe it or not, most of the country does not need The Blaze to play Religion Police.
Report Post »db321
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 6:06pmPoor misguided youth – if she just would have quoted the Qaran everything would have been OK! Maybe the following scripture from the False Profit Mohammed!
Quran (4:76) – “Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…” Kill all Jews and infidels!
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 6:29pmYo Foobear;
It say’s “christian” valintines NOT ALL valentines … maybe you should re-read. Punch me if I’m wrong.
And stuff like this does matter !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Report Post »MemphisViking
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 6:55pm@ Foobear – “Apparently, it is district policy that Christian valentines not be distributed — a message that Melissa Wolf, Dexter’s mother, received when she met with principal Matthew Driscoll this week.” Right there in the article. And second graders are old enough to understand the message “Jesus loves you”. They’re also old enough to understand the message “we don’t like Jesus around here”.
Report Post »janedough1
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 7:38pmI bet if the message had said “there is no God but Allah and Muhammed is his prophet,” they’d have rolled out the red carpet for the kid, helped him make enough bottles for the whole school, and distributed them for him.
Report Post »angiea
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 8:59pmMs. Wolf should put a page up on facebook that can show the support of like minded people as her and her son. She can receive support, donations, advice, etc. We must ORGANIZE and stand together. This hate and intolerance against Christianity MUST stop.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 9:39pmYo ANGIEA:
Pray for the return of Christ, cause it’s only going to get worse till then.
Report Post »silentwatcher
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 10:43pmthe Bill of Rights says he can. Make an example out of them,,,,take them to court and make them suffer.
Report Post »amerigramma
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 11:25pmIsn’t it ironic that Valentine was a Christian Priest who was outlawed by the government of Rome for secretly performing Christian marriages and other Christian activities. He was martyred for his faith. I think that atheists and other Christian haters should not celebrate Christian Holy Days such as Saint Valentine’s Day, Saint Patrick’s Day, Mardi Gras, Easter, Christmas and Thanksgiving. They hate God and recognition of Him, so they should not be able to partake of all of the joy of celebrating the love of the Lord until they accept Him as their Savior. Atheist should just move to atheistic countries where they believe in taking away the right to practice your own religion freely. If we are given our inalienable rights by God then the Government can’t take them away.
Report Post »Captain Crunch
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 11:38pm@PubliusPencilman
“I’m going to guess that most of you Blazers are for local control of schools…”
I would venture to say most of us Blazers are for PARENTAL control of the schools. The way it is right now the liberal administrative puppets are having their strings pulled by the bureaucrats who don’t want to lose the money pumped into the districts from Washington and the state governments.
“So why don’t you all mind your own business and let the district conduct its schools as it sees fit? Believe it or not, most of the country does not need The Blaze to play Religion Police.”
The schools need us “religious police” as you call us to keep their morally depraved teachings in check.
Report Post »We have our “noses” in their business because it IS our business. Our children, our tax dollars, our bill of rights, our god given responsibility to be police when necessary. And we don’t back down just because some ungodly bureaucrats say we have to. And we don’t roll over and play dead whenever some blogger sitting in his or her basement voices opposition to us exercising our God given rights.
Sailor_Always
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 12:37amOne of these days, it will be the straw that breaks the camel’s back, and then it will all fall apart.
Just remember, Satan believes in God.
Report Post »old white guy
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:29amboox. they will have to stop if we threaten them as the muslims do.
Report Post »lillycatoscar
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 4:55pmIt is just one excuse after another with these people. They have to come up with some kind of excuse to justify their decisions. This child, since he is 7, is either in 1st or 2nd grade. I have a granddaughter the same age and I know, that she would absolutely understand what was being said in the note. I believe, that schools today are so afraid of being sued because someone else may claim “this really makes me feel unwanted” (seems to be the new norm for atheists) or that they believe in the new 21st Century teaching practices, which is definitely not geared for those with any religious convictions. May I suggest, that if you are able, to home school your children, because this new educational policy will destroy your children and the family as a whole,
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 2:04pmImprove the Economy: Export Commies & Unionists… not Jobs!
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 2:20pmBut they can praise Allah in CO HS?
Perfect example of the double standard in the land today. Its easy to embace false teachings, its much harder to embrace the truth and it has always been this way since the beginning of time. Wolves in Sheeps clothing abound and we are told to beware of them. We are told to beware because many will follow them believing a lie instead of the true God. There can’t be multiple gods but only one creator of the universe and man. All roads do not lead to this creator either. Only one road and Dexter is on it. God Bless you young man.
Report Post »smithclar3nc3
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 2:22pmSounds like a plan. Give a choice they can leave on their feet or they can leave on their backs.
Report Post »SpankDaMonkey
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 2:26pm.
Report Post »Just makes you want to Punch these Morons right in the Face, don’t it?……….
Nehemiah6.3
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 2:44pmIts amazing to me the authoritarian power that school officials and others think they have. But, we all sit back and watch it happen. So i guess we deserve what we get. We have somehow developed this idea that we need to be passive in order to be Christian. I seem to remember how Jesus cleared out the money changers at the Temple mount. He did not do it in uncontrolled anger. We dont have to be violent to get our point across, but we do have to stand up and tell them we will not stand for this. But single individuals have very little influence. Stand up and be counted. Be Men and Women of God.
Report Post »000degrees
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 3:22pmOur answer was Catholic school. What a difference! My wife teaches in the public school and is thrilled to have an option to send our boy to Catholic school. It is a sacrifice in our monthly budget but well worth it. I would recommend it…..
Report Post »mikem1969
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 3:29pmLuke, I agree with what you said, but stay on topic please.
Now to the topic at hand. So they take anything christian out of schools, but they force islam (satan) in them. Hmmm, got to love the double standard. Christians of all ages, and genders STAND UP FOR YOUR CHRISTIANITY, stop turning away in the face of those fighting agains God and Christ.
Report Post »granolajohn
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 3:48pmAre you kidding me, if my child received this at school I would be beyond upset. How could this mother think that was ok, that must have been so traumatic to her poor child. Please stop trying to shove your faith down my kids throat.
Report Post »Crush_Liberalism
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 4:02pmSo, they hack the word “theory” off of the THEORY of Evolution, and teach THAT to kids, which is merely a belief based on THEIR interpretation of data. Teach “Jesus Loves You”, and they claim “the kinds can’t understand the religious message”…what is confusing that God loves them? Can kids understand the religious message behind “we won’t let you challenge evolution, we don;t even admit it is THEORY anymore, and that teaches that there ultimately IS no right and wrong because everything is a cosmic “accident” (enter the government to define that for us)…can kids understand THAT religious message?
Report Post »I support God's Israel!
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 4:07pmBut, the schools can sing PRAISE BE TO ALLAH in their choir class……….mmmmmmmm…
Report Post »http://www.theblaze.com/stories/there-is-no-truth-except-allah-colorado-student-quits-high-school-choir-over-islamic-song/
MemphisViking
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 7:01pm@ Granola – Telling someone that Jesus loves them is a far cry from forcing our religion down their throat. It‘s not just Freedom of Religion that’s at issue here, it’s also Freedom of Speech, and you have no Constitutionally guaranteed right not to hear something you don’t want to hear. And really, why would it bother you in the least if someone gave you a slip of paper with a Bible verse on it? Unless deep down you know it‘s true and don’t like being reminded of it.
Report Post »From Virginia
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:43pm@Granolajohn – Since islam is apparantly ok in schools I also assume you are OK with islam being shoved down your childs throat.
You people are so inconsistant it’s hard to take you seriously – except in your utter disdain for the 1st Amendment and your hatred of all things Christian – the very thing that gave you your rights in the first place.
Report Post »B-Neil
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 2:03pmMy kids are grown and doing well, thank GOD. For you families with kids in school, your forgetting thet those schools are bought and paid for by you. You own the school. Teachers only work there, having no rights in your school thet you have not given them. Don’t ever let them overstep there bounds. Currently your letting the Teachers do what they want. Stop it. Take control back. If you don’t; Your kids will never know real Freedom. CARRY ON McDUFF
Report Post »whereareyourbrains
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 2:02pmThe sin of all this………………..I am actually SCARED for us…..I see the 60 hippies in a different form and massive groups, with the help of Obama……..taking over America and turning it into socialist, comunistic, hugo chevez state………….god help us all… We are letting him get away with it and he is con man of century. He has so many people believing his crap that we are doomed….
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 2:27pmDemons have a false faith/belief system for everyone, this is why Satan is the author of chaos. The more choas the merrier as far as he is concerned. As long as the people are living in self imposed ignorance and some not so ignorant, he has got them under his control by their own hand through the choices they make on a voluntary basis.
Make a choice to stand for God today! Your time is getting short. If we are that last generation and I believe we are, then you’ve got some serious choices to make. Time to re-evaluate everything you’ve been taught to believe is good and wholesome. If it came from the TV set, from the public school system, from some self professed prophet of the new age, then your no doubt living in darkness.
Wake up now and receive the truth, the truth through the Holy Spirit in the world today will set you free and guess what? Its free for the asking. You don’t even have to step foot in a building to seek counseling of men for it. Go straight to the living almighty God and receive what he will show you.
Report Post »Gryphon Moor
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 2:35pmIndeed, it is a dark time for a great nation. But we are not doomed. Thanks to the paranoia of our founding fathers, having live under a repressive regime without representation, they established the right to bears arms against a tyranical government. No, we are not doomed until they take away our arms. Before the National Socialists exposed their true agenda in 1930s Germany, they removed the right to private ownership of arms. So when the Gestapo came banging on your door in the middle of the night, you didn’t have a prayer of fighting back. So at this point we are not doomed, we are merely unorganized.
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Viper1
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 2:53pmThere was a Rolling Stones song that fits here perfectly – Do You Know Me Now. I used to love that song till Glenn explained it on GBTV. But now I look at it in a different way. If we allow this crap to continue we are lost and maybe need to be.
Report Post »inblack
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 2:01pmFREEDOM OF RELIGION
The govt MAY NOT ban children from expressing their faith.
These people need to be prosecuted – jail time.
Report Post »Leslie Anne
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 2:28pmSo, you don’t mind if one of the muslim kids puts a “There is no true God except Allah and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah” in there and hands it out to fellow students?
Guess you also don’t mind the atheist kids coming up with something to slip in with the treats either.
Maybe some Wiccan saying would be nice for variety.
If you allow one group to slip little religious messages to their fellow students, you have to let all the other groups do the same.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 2:31pm“Allah will love you and forgive you your sins: For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.” (Qur’an, 3:31).
Now that would be an eyebrow raiser to receive as a Valentine’s Day card, no?
Report Post »Freedomluver
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 2:44pm@Leslie Anne
The first amendment applies to all, and it seems you have a problem with that…eh?
If someone gets upset by the words of others, they have every right to not listen…not accept the gift…or tell the person who they object to, to go to he11.
The State has no business getting involved in free expression.
Report Post »brother_ed
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 2:48pm@LESLIE ANNE
The point of the message is not so much the point with me as is the censorship involved.
If a Muslim or Wiccan student wants to include a message of their own, fine.
It’s about freedom of speech. I am free to present my opinion, you are free to not listen.
Should we ban Confucius‘ sayings or Buddah’s sayings from all book, posters, music, etc that is being heard by everyone in public? Who is to say that a quote is sterile enough to be read to the masses?
I am not offended by someone else’s opinion, it causes me to think about and defend my own.
If a belief that is contrary to mine is presented, so be it. That person has a right to their opinion.
It is the ‘cleansing of thought’ that is a concern for me, and every freedom loving person should be outraged by regulations that diminish it.
Report Post »inblack
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 3:01pm@Leslie Anne
No, I have no problem if a muslim or a student of another religion wants to express love on Saint Valentine’s day. That is what it is about.
If they expressed hate or attacked another person then I would have a problem.
This is what freedom and the constitution are about.
If you want a totalitarian atheist state or a totalitarian theist state I’m sure you can find one somewhere.
Report Post »rush_is_right
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 3:15pm“Now that would be an eyebrow raiser to receive as a Valentine’s Day card, no?”
first of all the muslims HATE valentine’s day…and if a muslim did that, well the repercussions from other muslims would be harsh…
but who cares? ever hear of freedom?
Report Post »beckwasfox
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 5:49pmWhat’s the matter Blaze? Were my comments about what a Muslem would give for Valentine’s day too insensitive for you? Idiots.
Report Post »academica2020
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:58pmIf anyone thinks that there is not an escalating war on religious freedom, this is one more example of that argument being wrong. Let’s all remember, that separation of church and state, as written in the Constitution, was meant to protect citizens and churches from a state sponsored religion. It took a court case, judicial activism at its most extreme, in the late 1940s to turn that around and say that no religion, or religious symbols, can be present on government property, including the public square. The radicals in the educational system are breaking things down, bit by bit. This is one more case of how extreme it has become. Is it any wonder this is happening in Wisconsin? I have said on other comment streams that I have nothing against Atheists, they have as much as anyone else to believe what they do. But, when the Atheist activists begin to chip away at the rights of the religious majority in our nation, using the 1940s court case as their shield, and activist jurists as their knights, that is when it goes well beyond acceptable limits.
Report Post »academica2020
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 2:38pmSo, to all of you folks here who are defending the actions of the school (confiscation of the cards and candy), don’t you think it would have been more effective to leave things be and call in the parents and explain that it was a nice gesture but had the possibility of offending some folks? It never ceases to amaze me how little people know about history, but have significant knowledge about litigious situations and when or how specific rights may have been infringed upon. I’d love to poll most of the parents of the kids in that class to find out just how much they know about the Constitution and their rights therein. I’d bet they only know about the ones that the educational establishment and the MSM, have told them are infringements.
Report Post »Oneirishman
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:58pmLets say these children pass out a message everyday. Would the administration censor and search said students every day? And if you were to read a bible silently in the library, what then? Or a John 3:16 tattoo on an arm. Or if a child were to speak a verse aloud in a public school everyday? How could they react to our changing tactics to have the right to express our thoughts. Gulag? Time to fight this fight!
Report Post »Rhold17
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:57pmThis sensitivity (intolerance) to Christians and the Bible is starting to get a bit out of hand.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 2:07pm?? a bit ???
Report Post »Paul G
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 2:07pmya think?
Report Post »svan71
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 2:26pmyes we are told we are to accept Islam in our school even though Islam does not accept Christianity our Constitution or our court system, so we should basically allow the undermining of our country based on freedom of religion. See when you do not understand Islam or don’t care too you can defend it by using our tolerance against us. Atheist have nothing to lose so they love using Islam to make Christians seem intolerant when Islam is intolerant and Atheism is intolerant. 50 years ago when the Bible and prayer was in school it was voluntary 50 years later we are told to fear the intolerance of the Bible and Christians it really is twisted.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 2:33pm@Svan71
“Allah will love you and forgive you your sins: For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.” (Qur’an 3:31). Hey look! They could give out Islamic cards too, as it seems like Allah loves and forgives as well!
Report Post »Master_and_Commander
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:54pmso… then handing out ”Jesus Loves You” valentines is the equivalent of handing out valentines with anti-Semitism?
Really, I can see what this guy is trying to point out, but he’s not thinking this through still. It shouldn’t be hard to dicern what is hate and what is a message of love. How about a little common sense, people…
Report Post »Master_and_Commander
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:56pmmeant to say ”Discern”
Report Post »whereareyourbrains
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:54pmOur country has fallen off the wall….it is in hundreds of pieces……….who is going to put Humpty America back together again.? WHO…………We have to send this left wing idiots to a country that honors their wishes. Then they will be happy and we will be at peace……….
Report Post »elkfeva
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:51pmIt’s time to push back
Report Post »Black Conservative
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:58pmYour clown picture is creepy. Scary clowns creep me out.
Report Post »13th Imam
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 2:01pmLooks alot like Bill Mahr without his makeup on.
Report Post »txjb
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 7:52pmNo offense elkfeva but, the pic looks a lot like Pelose with too much botox .
Report Post »Daveed
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:51pmFire the teacher who did that. Is there some wierd things in the water in that state? Have mandatory training for all teachers on THE CONSTITUTION.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 2:00pmThe problem with teachers and administrators is that they’ve never left the confines of the classroom… a lifetime of indoctrination.
Report Post »whereareyourbrains
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:51pmthese mostly UNION led and Obama brainwashed schools gotta stop this. Get Obama out of the W. House …he has too too many idiot teachers following him like his is a king………..I can’t believe the educated (suposedly) teacher and principals think they are the police of childrens beliefs…..Wait till 2013….this man is going to steal the election and the country at the same time…It will be the last official election in America…cause that will end when he gets 40 more yrs. An I meant 40…he already by passes congress and WE are letting him do it.
Report Post »drphil69
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:47pmDefinition of IRONY –
Banning Christian themed SAINT VALENTINE’s cards!
So we have a holiday honoring a Christian SAINT but we must ban the Christian part…
2+2=5. Ignorance is Strength. Freedom is Slavery. War is Peace.
Report Post »Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:54pmOnly pigs can wear clothes.
Report Post »Polarized America
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:57pmo give it a rest .. we are Capitalist remember
any Holiday = money … and the big one …Christmas = Megabucks ( sarcasm off ) ( o wait )
Report Post »Locked
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 2:48pm“Banning Christian themed SAINT VALENTINE’s cards!
So we have a holiday honoring a Christian SAINT but we must ban the Christian part…”
Some quick corrections:
1. There was no single Saint Valentine, but several named Valentinus (three, to be precise; Valentine of Rome, Terni, and Africa). They were martyrs, with no connection to love. Centuries after their deaths, VoR became famous as people began making up legends about him. A millennium later, the legends continued to grow, and finally got to the “love” part: Valentine began a priest covertly marrying young soldiers in love in a time when it was banned. He also healed the blind daughter of his jailer when he was caught, and on the eve of his execution wrote her a card from “her Valentine.”
Note, this has absolutely NO historical fact behind it. It did make for a pretty good story though. The Renaissance-era folk loved it and ran with the forbidden love theme. By the present day, the Church finally decided enough was enough; Pope Paul VI deleted it from the calendar of holy days in 1969.
It’s a holiday that takes only a name from three poorly remembered saints from the second and third century. It’s as “Christian” now as a Mardi Gras day parade in New Orleans.
Report Post »MittensKittens
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:46pmThis all boils down to the USA no longer being a “one nation under GOD” if it still was, then we wouldn’t be posting these comments…so sad these times are…
Report Post »svan71
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:45pm@troymac20 would it be ok if it was a condom ? Free speech buddy deal with it.
Report Post »troymac20
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 2:05pmCondom has nothing to do with religion. Completely different subject. Would it be ok if a kid was giving your kid messages that about islam? I‘m sure its not cause it doesn’t fit your view!
Report Post »svan71
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 3:01pmYes lying and teaching that Islam is tolerant and Christianity is not is against my view now your getting it.
Report Post »UBETHECHANGE
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:38pmWhat if some muslim kid had handed out “There is no other truth except Allah” or some koran verse? I’m on the fence with this, because if it was allowed it could open up a whole can of Islamic worms or atheists handing out there literature.
Report Post »goahead.makemyday
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:46pmSame here. If it was allowed you know other parents would have their kids handing out stuff, then here comes the suits and settlements.
Report Post »svan71
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:46pmAbsolutely but if a child disagrees do they lose there head?
Report Post »Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:50pmYeah, exactly what I was going to say. What if it said ““There is no truth except Allah” and “Allah is the only eternal and immortal.”
Report Post »Maybe, they “misinterpreted” what it is saying, which is to love your neighbor.
It’s insane that progressives defend a violent, intolerant, deceitful religion and ban one that teaches love, forgiveness, and truth. This tells you a lot about how they think.
svan71
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:51pmsimple any where islam is controlling the schools you would be killed for handing out a verse from John 3:16
Report Post »inblack
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 3:14pmCommon Sense
If the message is a statement of faith that like any other allowable behavior is non-disruptive and does not attack or demean others then it is a simple matter of letting kids express their faith.
If the message is “You will burn in hell”, “muslims are evil”, etc then they should be asked to stop that behavior.
If an atheist in the class says please stop giving me your Christian valentines then out of respect any Christian should stop and any teacher would enforce support that.
If your kid goes to school everyday harassing other kids with unwanted messages then they will be in trouble.
Simple respect, simple common sense.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:34pmCOMMIES: Ban Love… not Sex!
Report Post »Old Truckers
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:33pmThe motive for this is good, to spread the message of Christ’s sacrifice, but the mixing of Christianity with Valentine’s Day is incompatible.
Report Post »Should a real Christian be involved with Valentine’s Day seeing that it comes from a Roman pagan origin?
DGeezy11
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:37pmYou do realize it’s called ST. Valentines day right?… You need to check the history books you have in your house, sounds like obama got to them haha jk
Report Post »commie_LOVER
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:50pm“Old Truckers
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:33pm
The motive for this is good, to spread the message of Christ’s sacrifice, but the mixing of Christianity with Valentine’s Day is incompatible.
Should a real Christian be involved with Valentine’s Day seeing that it comes from a Roman pagan origin?”
Educate yourself:
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Old Truckers
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:55pmIf we label someone with “saint” in front of his name, does that purify the event or person? Does our label make it “holy”?
Do we know who Valentine was? Do we know what the connection was between him and the origin of the day society now calls St. Valentine’s day?
Report Post »Old Truckers
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 2:41pmI am all for free speech and I admire this young boy and his parents for encouraging him toward Christianity. He does have the right to spread the hope of salvation to his fellow students. His actions are sanctioned by God and His Son, Jesus. – Matthew 28;19-20
So, who are these people telling him he cannot serve God?
But, using the occasion of, and the observance of, valentine’s day to do it is not appropriate, due to its pagan roots.
Report Post »rush_is_right
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 3:13pm“But, using the occasion of, and the observance of, valentine’s day to do it is not appropriate, due to its pagan roots.”
oh gee the valentine’s police are out….ever hear of freedom?? sheesh
Report Post »inblack
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 3:23pm@Old Trucker
Get a clue. Christ invites all people to God’s love not just the “anti-pagan blah blah” pharisees like yourself.
Next you’ll be criticizing Jesus for eating with the tax collectors.
Valentine’s day is a Holiday devoted to love.
That said, sorry for being so snippy in my reply.
Report Post »tzion
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:30pmWait, isn‘t SAINT Valentine’s Day a Christian thing? I know for a fact that many religious Jews (myself included) don’t celebrate a day that commemorates the death/execution of a Christian Saint. Next you‘ll tell me that Christians can’t give out religious messages for Easter. Christmas and Valentines Day are Christian. This isn’t Independence Day or Thanksgiving.
Report Post »Exrepublisheep
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:36pmThe messages were confiscated before being given out, did someone turn the kid in or were ALL the valentines subject to screening?
Report Post »13th Imam
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:51pmSEIU Olunch Inspector, moonlighting as a OACLU Anti- Prayer Inspector
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:57pmEducation should be diverse. Jewish, Christian, Muslim kids should all be able to bring their culture to the classroom. If they did, there would be far more understanding and cohesion, rather than the divisiveness that’s been ingrained by the current, ignorant, practices.
Report Post »Txwinger54
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:30pmThis sounds like a violation of freedom of speach and religious rights.
Report Post »Txwinger54
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:29pmThis sounds like a violation of freedom of speech and religious rights (true rights as in the constitution).
Report Post »pap pap
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:28pmThat verse would have been more appropriate for Easter.
The constitution says nothing about separation fo Church and state. Now the state wants to be the Church. This needs to be stopped ASAP. We serve the Lord and not the self appointed messiah.
Report Post »democritusoilder267
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:25pmI’ll side with the school on this incident. Now, many people are going to knock me for siding with the school. Think about it! What would you say if this child was Muslim and he handed you kid a valentines card that said: “There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his messenger.” What would you say about the topic then? The parents knew what the child was doing. This is nothing more the socialization of their Christian faith to the kids who do not understand nothing about Christianity.
Report Post »oldguy49
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:31pmdidn’t i just read where cair {the muslin ass} was going into schoolsand talking to students and another school was singing about alllah
Report Post »tzion
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:32pmI might agree with you if it wasn’t for the fact that Valentines Day is technically a Christian holiday.
Report Post »thenannerpus
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:34pmParents are to be responsible for those decisions, not a school district or a super-intendent. Not one person. Parents. If a kid gets something that’s offensive to him, there’s this new invention called a garbage can.
Sorry bub, but you DO NOT have the right to not be offended. Utter nonsense and diminutive thinking.
Report Post »troymac20
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:35pmPretty bad using a little kid to push religion on other little kids. This is exactly why no religion belongs in school.
Report Post »democritusoilder267
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:36pmI know a lot about the different holidays and traditions that are celebrated. That is not the problem; the problem is that the kid was socialization his faith to other students. You can see the verse John 3:16 as nothing more then God’s love but to me Christianity is evil man-made religion. If I found out this child handed my son or daughter this valentine I would be at the school in no time complaining. I would do the same if Muslims, Jews, Hindus or whoever did the same.
Report Post »goahead.makemyday
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:41pmI’ll only partially agree with you. The Mom probably didn’t think of it in that way, the rule does make some sense but it can be argued against as well. The whole they are too young to understand thing that was mentioned. Only the parents would understand and be offended in that case, and thus a major lawsuit and settlement the district would have to pay out. While this is incredibly PC it is there to prevent the ACLU GBLTQ FFRF and every other alphabet organization form suing. While the Mom has a reason to be upset this has been blown out of proportion.
Report Post »burnteye86
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:44pmThe United States was founded on Christianity, not Islam. That’s the difference. Get it?
Report Post »democritusoilder267
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:53pm@BURNTEYE86: I respectfully disagree the U.S was founded by the Christian faith or any other religion. Now, is not the time to get into that subject. But here is a link for your viewing pleasure
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rush_is_right
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:55pm“I’ll side with the school on this incident. ”
no surprise, you’re a fascist.
“Think about it! What would you say if this child was Muslim and he handed you kid a valentines card that said: “There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his messenger.” ”
who cares? and you definatly wouldn’t say anything if this was the case.
“The parents knew what the child was doing. This is nothing more the socialization of their Christian faith to the kids who do not understand nothing about Christianity.’
yeah so? ever hear of freedom? oh thats right you’re a typical brown-shirted fascist stooge…a good progressive liberal demoKKKrat.
Report Post »Master_and_Commander
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:59pmReally, the solution is simply common sense. If the message is vulgar and hateful, ban it. If its about love, allow it. The school should have thought this through a little more
Report Post »democritusoilder267
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 2:02pm@RUSH_IS_RIGHT: Long time no talk buddy! I cannot tell if you‘re a real person and this is your own opinion or you’re just a troll. Take my comment or leave it. You sound ridiculous. I’m not a fascist or democrat. I’m just John… John Arguelles. If any person told my children to believe this or that I would be up in arms or you can spell that out as upset. When my kids become adults then they can chose to follow Christianity or any other religion. I believe in freedom but respect is a must in not using children to spread religion.
Report Post »democritusoilder267
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 2:08pm@MASTER_AND_COMMANDER: I understand what you’re saying. But this is about a parents using their child to promote Christianity in the classrooms. Not every child is Christian and not everyone sees the Christian faith and Jesus from a Christian perspective as loving.
Report Post »rush_is_right
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 2:12pm“@RUSH_IS_RIGHT: Long time no talk buddy! I cannot tell if you‘re a real person and this is your own opinion or you’re just a troll. Take my comment or leave it.”
well if the jack-boots fit…
“If any person told my children to believe this or that I would be up in arms or you can spell that out as upset.”
uh no one is telling your kid what to believe…I mean why do you have to lie like that? this is a kid giving another kid a valentine…..why do you hate freedom so?
“When my kids become adults then they can chose to follow Christianity or any other religion. I believe in freedom but respect is a must in not using children to spread religion.”
you don’t believe in freedom for christians obviously…thus you’re a fascist.
Report Post »rush_is_right
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 2:14pm“@MASTER_AND_COMMANDER: I understand what you’re saying. But this is about a parents using their child to promote Christianity in the classrooms.”
its called projection…
where do you get that the mother used the child?
do you ever tell the truth?
Report Post »democritusoilder267
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 2:18pmI believe in freedom of religion. But not having it being forced in the classrooms. These kids are way too young and the parents also used their other children “Wolf has two other children at the same school. Both of whom are autistic and nonverbal.” to hand out the Valentines. You have to look that the parents knew what they were doing and what will happen.
Report Post »13th Imam
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 2:33pmThe next class they are scheduled to attend was a Condom on the Banana ,2nd grade Health Class. given by the SEIU Banana Union Local 666.
Report Post »Polarized America
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 2:37pmI’ll have to agree with 267 on this one, I wouldn’t want some atheist parents sending there kid to school with atheist cars ..
Something like …
If you’re a Christian you have been lied too.
There is NO GOD,
When you die , you’ll just rot into the ground and be eaten by worms …………………….
sent your kids to Private school of your choosing
but keep religion out of public school, it only opens the door for things that 267 said.
after all the Constitution says …
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by ““THEIR CREATOR ”” with certain unalienable Rights, “” ( Key Words = “Their Creator ” Not mine,or yours, )
Now explain to me, If we allow one then we have to allow all the school would end up spending all there time on religion, agnostic, or atheism. And I’m sure that the Founding Fathers knew this and did their VERY BEST !! And I’m sure that they looked at History and knew that Government Religion does not work. In fact it can turn very ugly
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now get off the damn internet and do something for Christianity,( or do you think that your 10 % is all you have to do ?) start a youth group, or have a bake sale. and NO The Gov’t Cant stop you from doing that …. Stop whining
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Report Post »Polarized America
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 2:39pmooooops i forgot to add
UN-POLARIZE AMERICA NOW !!!!!
Report Post »inblack
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 2:47pmUnless a religion is deemed an illegal cult, the school cannot (under our constitution) stop kids from expressing their religion in a harmless and non-disruptive way.
If you teach your kids a little about muslims then they would not be surprised by a valentine talking about allah’s love. Quit being so fearful.
If the teacher saw that they were teaching hate, then they should stop it, whether it is Christian, muslim, hindu or atheist.
Report Post »Polarized America
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 2:51pm*atheist ..cards …sorry about my other mistakes ..this debate irritates me. as well as others
Report Post »rush_is_right
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 3:10pm“If the teacher saw that they were teaching hate, then they should stop it, whether it is Christian, muslim, hindu or atheist.”
by definition to the atheist fascists christiantiy is hate.
Report Post »rush_is_right
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 3:11pm“but keep religion out of public school, it only opens the door for things that 267 said.
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except for the religion of atheism obviously…so to you the atheist pigs are more equal than others…
Report Post »Polarized America
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 3:32pm” atheist Pigs
Rush ain’t Right … Rush is FAR RIGHT …lol
Report Post »teacha
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 1:39amIt would be fine. It’s called freedom of speech. I don’t have to agree with it. I don’t have tn like it, but to deny freedom because it might offend –pluueeze. Children have the right to express themselves without being censured as long as they are not threatening or demeaning.
Report Post »EqualJustice
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:22pmThey have a choice.. throw it away?
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 9:07pmExactly. These crazy anti-Christian bigots are acting like psychopaths.
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