WI Firefighters Offer Conce$$ions to Save Collective Bargaining for All
- Posted on February 21, 2011 at 5:35pm by
Mike Opelka
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It was almost midnight on Saturday night, Mahlon Mitchell, president of the Professional Firefighters of Wisconsin spoke with Oliver Dykstra, a reporter from The Uptake and appears to have offered up financial concessions from his union in order to save the collective bargaining rights of the teachers union and others.
Union President Mitchell makes his offer starting at the 11:54 mark of the interview;
“Us as firefighters, we have been exempt from this bill, in the original bill there is a 5.8% pay into pension and a 12.4% pay into healthcare benefits. We have came out and openly said, for the betterment of the government, for the betterment of the state, we don’t mind helping to pay for that. We don’t want to price ourselves out of a job.”
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Comments (94)
Fight for America
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 9:19pmI have Great respect and always give thanks to Firefighters and Police. You can’t ask for much more than having someone put their life on the line for you.
I USED to have that same respect for Teachers and related Education staff. Then I ran for school board in a Chicago suburb when there was a ridiculous tax increase referendum being pushed. Somehow, I got elected against the wishes of the board members who were tied to the Education industry by spouse, career, etc. and against the wishes of the teachers, etc. The things that were discovered in a couple of years would make the average person want to barf. Suffice to say, it’s been “educational” and taught me to never give respect unless it’s earned.
Report Post »suzpenn
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Report Post »NICE NICE TACO
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 9:16pmSKIMMER57 Only two unions supported Walker in the election. What part of WE DON‘T HAVE ANY MONEY don’t you people get? If there is corporate money out there, I sure would like some. I am self-employed, barely and I don‘t appreciate being called an SOB when I am the one paying for everyone else’s pensions and salaries. Do you even understand that?? You still have collective bargaining, not for perks, which should have never happened in the first place. Whether you like it or not, the private sector has ALWAYS paid the salaries and everything else for state employees. There is no reason you should have more power and more money filtering in when the people who pay the bills can barely make it on their own. We are working families too and WE run this state. not your unions. Please remember that. Stop the greediness and stop hurting the private sector workers in this state. I’ve lost a lot with this downturn, my business barely has a pulse and I am living with friends because I just can’t afford to get an apartment on my own. I’ve lost much more than I can list so excuse me, I just don’t give a dang about your unions and all the whiny teachers b#tching about all of this. You should be ashamed they way you have treated the taxpayers of this state. You are greedy and ungrateful for what you already have.
Report Post »skimmer57
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 9:29pmTaco— Walkers first move was to give a120 million dollar tax break to corporations! Why? Pay back for his election. I am sorry for your predicament. Maybe if you paid more attention to those “whiny teachers” you wouldn’t have to live in your buddies basement.It sounds like your poorly run failed business was not big enough to get some of that 120 million!
Report Post »Puddle Duck
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 10:08pmTo try and entice companies to come back to WI you boob…..without a competetive Corp Tax rate what incentive is there for a company to reloctae ? It’s called competition….one has to make certain sacrifices to attract business, big business……if you look at the Laffer curve you’d understand that lower rates actually improve State revenue flow……higher taxation has the opposite effect. It’s a very simple economics 101 concept. The class warfare model that the liberals & socialists use is a big lie and always has been….in fact you could argue why is the Obama WH handing out so many HC law waivers to his people/corps that backed HIS agenda ? How are the rest of us supposed to pay for the Obamacare monstrosity when over a 1000 (and counting) companies/corp’s and Union organizations have been exempted from the HC law effects and fees ?
Report Post »TulsaYeeHaw
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 10:42pmskimmer57
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 9:29pm
“Taco— Walkers first move was to give a120 million dollar tax break to corporations! Why? Pay back for his election. I am sorry for your predicament. Maybe if you paid more attention to those “whiny teachers” you wouldn’t have to live in your buddies basement.It sounds like your poorly run failed business was not big enough to get some of that 120 million!”
First, you are a condescending jerk. Unlike you, Taco is trying to make something of himself (gender?) without a govt STEALING from someone else and giving it to him.
Report Post »Secondly,
How dare the governor let them have tax breaks on money THAT IT IS THEIR DAMN MONEY!!!!! It doesn’t belong to you, it doesn’t belong to the community, it doesn’t belong to the state, or the Republic (ahem, not democracy), you don’t get to decide. The corporations’ money, is theirs. THEY DECIDE. They have a RIGHT to their justly acquired property. What say you, the corps stole it themselves??
You DON’T HAVE A RIGHT to their money whether you like it or not. Just because you can use gov‘t to give you the power to take it doesn’t mean you have the right. Just because you hate them for having a large amount money doesn’t make it ok to steal. The only difference between people who think they can use gov’t to even out the wealth and a back alley robber, is the back alley robber has the nads to do it himself.
skimmer57
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 11:15pmTulsa— When corporations are Walker’s biggest contributors there is an agenda a payback! Koch brothers come to mind. I find it ironic that the vastily rich have accumulated more wealth in the past ten years then at any other time in the history of the U.S.Lets give them another tax break they deserve it! I guess it is them that create all the jobs! Yeah right! They are sitting on the side lines hoarding 1.2 trillion.There is a huge disconnect. Maybe they could start creating some jobs and get that scholar TACO BOY a job so he could get out of the basement!
Report Post »Tycobb35
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 9:16pmjust saw Scott Walker on FOX, 8 p.m. Monday night, the GOVERNATOR IS NOT CAVING
Report Post »take it back
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 9:15pmThis country is in grave peril, this is just the start. Hang in there governor. I hope fhe Ohio governor follows the lead of WI. NO COLLECTIVE BARGANING.
Freedom is not “FREE”.
Report Post »fixer
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 9:10pmthey can’t vote on money things,but they only need a majority voe on anything else.why not vote on the collective bargaining part of the new law without the dems even being there…who needs em.
Report Post »skimmer57
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 9:18pmDUUUUUUH It’s the law!
Report Post »dcenac
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 12:22amThey are in fact entertaining that idea. Because for the dems to protest a procedural action…they would have to be present. A procedural protest can not be done after the fact. And if a dem shows up to protest, they have a quorum.
Report Post »skimmer57
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 9:02pmHere in WI. The firefighters and police are embarrassed for supporting Walker during the elections.We had NO idea he would take collecting bargaining off the table.Whether you know it or not every one of you have benefited by unions.We will make the financial concessions but am NOT going to let outside corporate money ruin what our brother and sisters worked so hard to achieve.
Report Post »Petunia
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 9:20pmUnions have driven manufacturing out of the country. Unions have bankrupted the cities and states where Democrats has had a majority and union got their way. It is a disease. Public unions should not exist and since we have no manufacturing left no union serves any purpose anymore… Unions were so successful there is no need to have them, they are a blight on our society.
This is not 1912, get out of the past a take a look around at what your unions have caused.
You will not be happy until democracy is gone and unions rule. If Unions were truly useful you would not have to take the dues out of the paychecks. The fact that membership is compelled, that you need card check to strong arm members, and that you can’t get paid without totalitarian means… all of this proves unions are the problem not the solution.
An organization that was a net benefit to it’s members would be able to get people to pay voluntarily.
Report Post »proantisocialist
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 9:01pmguess that, ask not what your country can do for you,but what can you do for your country. only applies to big business and taxpayers?
and in this case the firefighters are exempt. great job heros.
Report Post »schizgnit
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 8:59pmhere’s the problem with that. those firefighters can make concessions to their rank and file anytime they want. they don’t need the good Gov or a state bill to do it. they should start now because it will take up to 18 months to complete. that‘s only chumpchange though because there aren’t a whole lot of fiefighters. don’t they account for less than 1% of the state’s puplic union roster?
Report Post »pudssweetie
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 1:13am@ Schizgnit
Report Post »I don’t know the exact percentage, but do know there are more volunteer firefighters as many city’s in the state have gone from full time to volunteer to save money and only the full time ones are in the Union.
NICE NICE TACO
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 8:56pmThe core problems are #1, the unions don’t want the employees to have a choice to belong or not belong to the union – this bill grants them this choice. #2, the unions fees will no longer be collected by the state and sent to them, they will have to collect the checks directly from their union members. #3 is the collective bargaining for perks will be eliminated. They can still bargain for pay rate. All in all, the unions will lost members and power and money and they know it. State Employees should have never been given collective bargaining for perks, the only reason they got them in the first place is because the dems had power and passed it without even considering the electorate or the long term ramifications of this….Well, here we are facing the ramifications and the taxpayers aren’t going to have their pockets picked clean anymore…..because it is all GONE!!!!
Report Post »Puddle Duck
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 9:45pmExcellent post….you have summed it up beautifully.
Report Post »Mister_Bill
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 9:47pmWill this the the new meaning fro being Shanghaied? Or is the a example of a conscript. Either way it should not be foisted of the public employee without their agreement. “Now I tell you it is time the people of the United States were waking up with the understanding that if they don’t save the Constitution from the dangers that threaten it, we will have a change of government.” (Joseph Fielding Smith, Conference Report, April 1950.) “Change you can believe In” — NOT
Report Post »dcenac
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 12:17amIt is so true. The unions know that most people will choose to off set the decrease in their check due to paying for health ins and pension with not paying their union dues. The union could care less about their members, they already caved to the demands, they don’t want to loose the mandatory dues.
Report Post »Angeld
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 8:54pmSay no to Collective Bargaining
Report Post »Angeld
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 8:53pmNo to Collective Bargaining!!!
Report Post »TulsaYeeHaw
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 10:15pmAs a (non)Proud member of a union, I say bust their ass. Hit them now….HIT THEM HARD!!!
Report Post »Mister_Bill
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 8:39pmGreat that there are concessions but we need our Representatives back to stand up and do their duty. I have composed a poem for them that can be sung to some other tune. I call it
Report Post »Democrats on the run.
Stuck inside the Statehouse walls,
Can’t vote forever
Never seeing a Democrat again,
Vote you, vote you, you coward
If I ever get back in here
Thought of giving it all away
To a registered Republican
All we need is a vote today
If we ever get a quorum
If we ever get a quorum
Well our support fell with a might crash
As we ran across the border
And the first Dem said to the second one there
I hope, you’re having disorder
The Democrats are on the Run
The Democrats are on the Run
And the Sergeant-at-Arms and State Police
Were search forever more for the Democrats on the run
Well the Republicans were waiting at the Rotunda
In the State they’re searching for Democrats everywhere
But they will be never found,
Cause the Democrats are on the Run.
Showtime
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 8:56pmThey can tack an amendment to another bill not to negotiate with unions. They don‘t need a quorum for that because it’s not about money.
Report Post »PunditPawn
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 8:33pmToo late, dude. Besides you now have the bargaining power the rest of us have, its called your resume. As it should be. Stop disenfranchising the voters who, until recently, were too busy working to stand up for their rights to not overpay public workers.
Report Post »Puddle Duck
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 9:41pmHear Hear…terrific post
Report Post »svan71
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 10:24pmExcellent post..A+
Report Post »Red Meat
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 11:53pmHere here! Superb post.
Report Post »heyjim55
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 8:25pmYou won’t see anyone on the Left doing that only someone like a fire fighter has the Integrity to make such a offer. The teachers are not there for the kids they are there for the Democratic party to insure power, think of them as being a member of the Communist party, that is how it worked in Russia only the party lived well everyone else had less. Weaken the union and you weaken the Democratic party it’s that simple.
Report Post »suzpenn
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 8:21pmVery kind of the WI firefighters . . . but the collective bargaining part is non negotiable . . . stand firm Gov. Scott. And by the looks of things (you know those little things like numbers) seems the Unions have pretty much been ‘negotiating’ the teachers and state workers out of work for years now.
How damn greedy can someone be? Paying $1 out of $57 for pension and $0 for health insurance? You know there are other people who work – union and non-union jobs who don’t get near that and or paid days off to protest because some doctor will lie for them and their the ones on the hook for all of this. Not to mention those overpaid Democratic legislatures.
Some solidarity too! It’s fine for your so-called brothers and sisters in the oil and gas industry who can’t work because of stupid government policies and special interest groups shutting them out. Maybe you all do need the spigot turned off for awhile. See how long you can go without water. Just talk to the farmers in Southern California or the oil and gas workers in the gulf, or the coal miners in West Virginia. See what they think about this mess in Wisconsin. And if you want to be taken seriously, I‘d suggest runnin’ out those damn socialist, communists,and drum beating Che asshats first thing tomorrow.
Report Post »Puddle Duck
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 9:39pmAgreed….collective bargaining is at the heart of where the State currently find itself under the gun as it were to fund an outlandishly lavish pension fund and a gold plated health care package….the Unions are NOT losing their right to collecrtively bargain their salary rates just losing the right to include the perks (pension/HC) in the negotiations. No one has bothered to explain this in the MSM as of yet (not that I’m surprised) …of course this nuggest of info comes straight from the Gov’s own mouth…check it out for yourselves….the bluster being put up by the protetsters is based upon the removeal of CB period when that is NOT the case.
In light of what is happening now If I was Walker I would eli9minate CD altoghether now…hell you are already in a all or nothing fight now…go for it I say and end the Union scourge in WI public sector for good.
Report Post »GOTT-EM-MAUSER
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 8:02pmThis is just REALITY crashing in on the COMMUNISTS. They have sucked the Government Union Teat dry in Wisconsin, and now see it going away for ever. NO GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE, PAID with TAX DOLLARS, should EVER be allowed to UNIONIZE. If they don’t like that, they should get into an Honest line of work, in the Private Sector.
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 8:52pmCan the legislature pass a law prohibiting union employees? They have Merit System protection.
Report Post »Redistributor
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 7:58pmPatriots. But the real debate is the the $3.5B budget deficit. It’s only a start and we see the uproar for only $3.5B. Hate to say it but that’s chump change. What’s going to happen with the unfunded bills come due. Uh oh.
Report Post »TruthSpeaker
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 7:48pmFinally, decent people with common sense. Hats off to the firefighters – they are heros in many different ways.
Report Post »Red Meat
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 7:48pmFire the Fire Fighters. Offer to rehire at half scale.
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 8:45pmFire Red Meat. Offer to welcome back with conservative comments.
Report Post »TulsaYeeHaw
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 10:21pmI fired show-it-time because skinemax was better!!
Report Post »Red Meat
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 10:56pmFire fighters are right ahead of the PD is sucking from the public teat.
Report Post »They (unions) are in direct conflict with the publics(read taxpayer) interests.
dealer@678
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 7:47pmPolice and Firefighters just need to stay out of this
Report Post »IronDioPriest
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 7:47pmNo, what they REALLY don’t want is to lose their power.
Report Post »TikeSissy
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 7:45pmFinally, someone in the Union that cares. Hats off to this group of firefighters and their union.
Report Post »Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 7:44pmFiremen are all of our Heroes. That is unbelivably adult of them. Maybe the Dems and Teachers can learn a thing or 2 about being grownup.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 7:53pmAgreed, police and firefighters, along with paramedics are among the greatest civilian heros of the land; right up with the doctors and teachers who care for the kids and national future first.
Report Post »My Sacred Honor
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 8:33pm*See my above post.
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 8:41pmMine, too.
Report Post »912828Buckeye
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 8:47pmBe careful…. it could be a smoke and mirrors ploy.
Report Post »No pun intended. Serious
My Sacred Honor
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 8:52pmI don’t think so about being a trick, just Honorable men and women doing the Honorable thing. There are still people that exist that are Honorable…
Report Post »Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 9:10pmIf you are faced with losing your job or taking a “Paycut” as the Teachers Union is putting it, I think keeping your job would be “Job number 1”. Also, I have to pay for my medical/dental/vision plan, and I have to put into my own retirement plan. So there again, back to the origianl point, the grownups see and understand this (Firefighters), and yet the children (Teachers) in this debate are the ones who are supposed to teache our children how to be adults. Maybe we could hire the Firefighters to be our teachers.
@Sacred Honor
Report Post »@Showtime
@Snowleopard
Right as always.
My Sacred Honor
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 9:26pmDarmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Report Post »Thank you, sir!
encinom
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 10:05pmThe other users offered the same, the WI Dictator does not care about the budget, he is looking to bust unions and turn the state over to the corporations.
royalstar
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 12:44amThe firemens union is just trying a last ditch effort to put off the inevitable. I think since they care so much, they should get the same deal as the teachers union. In Ohio all public unions will be subject to the same kind of cuts with no exemptions. The fat lady is singing in Wisconsin.
Report Post »Rickfromillinois
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 7:43pmOf course if you have the collective bargaining still in place you can get it back in the future by donating millions to the Dems. The Governor campaigned on doing exactly what he is doing now, and he was elected. He won, the Republicans are in control, and he looks like he fully intends to do what he said he was going to. Sucks to be you.
Report Post »TruthSpeaker
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 7:49pmagree completely – but it is a decent offering of the firefighters.
Report Post »cheezwhiz
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 7:53pmRickfromillinois
Of course if you have the collective bargaining still in place you can get it back in the future by donating millions to the Dems.
Report Post »————
This is exactly what they did in CA when they got Jerry Brown elected , and who doesn’t know how broke we are here
Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 7:55pmI wish the best for the firefighters, at the least they are coming out in the front for willingness to make a move on doing what is right.
Report Post »ishka4me
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 8:10pmJust thought of solution> the Wi> senate needs a democrat to have a qurom? well have one of the republicans change party affiliation, have the vote, then switch back. why not
My Sacred Honor
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 8:32pmMaybe a good union exists after all? Freely and willingly offering to pay for their benefits is inspiring, and of COURSE it comes from the Firefighter’s union! I WOULD hope that this act will make the other whiney union members take a step back, but I know it won’t.
Report Post »It will only be ignored by them.
Showtime
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 8:39pm@TruthSpeaker
True, and Firefighters are decent people, too.
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 8:44pm@ishka4me
Report Post »Posted on February 21, 2011 at 8:10pm
Just thought of solution> the Wi> senate needs a democrat to have a qurom? well have one of the republicans change party affiliation, have the vote, then switch back. why not
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
It‘s not the fact that they don’t have a Democrat. It’s the fact that they need 20 people present for a quorum. As there are only 19 Republicans, they have to have one of the Democrats present.
NICE NICE TACO
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 8:46pmISHKA4ME – The problem is not the party affiliation it is the body count. They need 20 bodies to complete the quorum needed to vote on budget items. They only have 19 now, so changing party will not change the 20 body minimum.
Report Post »My Sacred Honor
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 8:50pm@SHOWTIME Sup, Darlin’?
Report Post »jhaydeng
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 9:00pmAs a union member I agree that it makes no sense to cut off your nose to spite your face. Be grateful for your job FIRST!
Report Post »Creestof
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 9:49pmIt has been a while, but I seem to remember there being a phrase/clause called “best of all nations” or something like that…it pretty much means that if party/group/company signs a union contract, the next party/group/company controlled by the same union can skip the bargaining when it is their turn and simply demand the same contract as the previous one.
Report Post »LeroyJethroGibbs
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 9:57pmFirefighters just know that they are next. A union is a union, Bust them all.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 10:03pmThe Republican Dictator of WI does not care about the budget, if he did he would not of made sweetheart deals with certain unions or give tax break to corporations, this move is to break the back of the working man, to bust the unions. The Dictator needs to be recalled before he hands the entire state over to the corporations.
Report Post »jzs
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 10:16pmBlazers don’t even pretend to support the firefighters gesture, especially after the nonstop union bashing you’ve written before on this website. A union serves one purpose in this country and that is to be a check and balance against employees who maximize their profits by providing unsafe working conditions, unreasonable hours, and paying teachers the absolute minimum required to get anyone to pursue that career. I doubt you want your kids taught by a teacher who simply can’t find other employment, any more than than you want the firefighters who respond to your house to be the chosen by a system that goes to the lowest bidder.
The firefighters are supporting the teachers and other government employees (like themselves) because they know they are potentially next on the list. Yes, we can have a country where the rich become richer and the poor become poorer – which is what happens whenever Republicans control the government – and teachers and cops and firefighters make minimum wage (if the Republicans don’t eliminate the minimum wage). And there you have Freedom according to many of you here, along with all the consequences of your idea of Freedom.
Sorry, you can’t have it both ways. Either you believe employees have the right to speak as a single voice if they choose, or that concept is, somehow, anti-democratic and wrong and un-American.
Report Post »My Sacred Honor
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 10:17pmencinom
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 10:03pm
The Republican Dictator of WI does not care about the budget, if he did he would not of made sweetheart deals with certain unions
If you want me to take your spoon-fed rediculous posts seriously, then use proper English.
Report Post »“if he did he would not OF”
should be
“if he did he would not HAVE”
******. Go grab your 5th grade grammar book and try again.
hifi74
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 10:17pmBwahahaha Ecinom, your pathetic attempt at trolling is sad. He didn’t make a sweetheart deal with some unions for political affiliations. The three named are all tied with public safety, and by removing collective bargaining rights for them would allow them to strike at any time. He is trying to avoid having a situation where firefighters, police, and state troopers can walk off of the job just because one of them gets a hang nail one day leaving no public safety personnel on the job. Bwahahahaha get your facts first ya rube. Every time you speak you make yourself look even more uninformed and lacking in mental capacity. Your liberal troll is a fail.
Report Post »TulsaYeeHaw
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 10:19pmencinom
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 10:03pm
“The Republican Dictator of WI does not care about the budget, if he did he would not of made sweetheart deals with certain unions or give tax break to corporations, this move is to break the back of the working man, to bust the unions. The Dictator needs to be recalled before he hands the entire state over to the corporations.”
Oh, run and hide you little red troll. We are coming for YOU too……bwooohahaha
Report Post »My Sacred Honor
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 10:27pmjzs
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 10:16pm
Blazers don’t even pretend to support the firefighters gesture, especially after the nonstop union bashing you’ve written before on this website. A union serves one purpose in this country and that is to be a check and balance against employees who maximize their profits by providing unsafe working conditions, unreasonable hours, and paying teachers the absolute minimum required to get anyone to pursue that career. I doubt you want your kids taught by a teacher who simply can’t find other employment, any more than than you want the firefighters who respond to your house to be the chosen by a system that goes to the lowest bidder.
The firefighters are supporting the teachers and other government employees (like themselves) because they know they are potentially next on the list. Yes, we can have a country where the rich become richer and the poor become poorer – which is what happens whenever Republicans control the government – and teachers and cops and firefighters make minimum wage (if the Republicans don’t eliminate the minimum wage). And there you have Freedom according to many of you here, along with all the consequences of your idea of Freedom.
Sorry, you can’t have it both ways. Either you believe employees have the right to speak as a single voice if they choose, or that concept is, somehow, anti-democratic and wrong and un-American.
FOR CHRIST’S SAKES PAY ATTENTION YOU STUPID BROKEN RECORD!
Report Post »These people in these PUBLIC unions are having to pay FAR LESS then their private counterparts! You want to raise hell about them being “unfairly treated”, what about the taxpayer who not only has to fend for himself and his family, but also has to foot the bill for those who collect their checks from US THE TAXPAYER!
You make me wanna vomit, you whiney socialist little brat. Those protesting are, and have been, given allowances that far excede what they “deserve”. We, as a NATION are in big trouble financially, and all the Governor is asking is for them to pay their share of the crunch.
I am so sick to death of you and others on here calling us heartless because we, as TAXPAYERS want to discontinue this elitist idea that if you are in a public union, you are somehow above the rest of us working hard to get next to nothing to support our families! Do you care about us? The non-union workers? DO YOU?? WE ARE FLOATING THE BILL FOR THESE “SICK-IN” WORKERS!\
Eff you buddy. Get on that SEIU bus and do your thing. When TSHTF and there is NO MORE money to pay public workers due to their greed and must be fired, then what? Give me an answer.
Otherwise, I’d rather not read your words condemning me as “greedy’ when I work for next to nothing and am more than happy to earn what I work so hard for.
grandmaof5
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 7:48amThat was very kind, but notice it is the people who do their jobs well willing to sacrifice for the people who are doing a lousy job (not to include the teachers who do a good job and are not demonstrating). Pray for our servicemen/women, police, fire fighters and border guards that they stay out of harms way.
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on February 23, 2011 at 3:52amThe fact that these Unions still think collective bargaining is a right proves that they think we owe a job to government workers. No, if government workers or programs hurt the private sector, then those jobs have to go.
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