Will a 2,000-Year-Old Burial Box Provide Fresh Insight on Jesus’ Death?
- Posted on August 31, 2011 at 10:30pm by
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It’s been an interesting year when it comes to Biblical relics. Back in March, The Blaze covered a filmmaker‘s claim that two nails from Jesus’ burial were recovered in the High Priest Caiaphas’ supposed tomb. Now, an ancient burial box that was uncovered by antiquities looters may provide useful insight into Caiaphas’ life, potentially leading to more robust information about Jesus Christ’s death.
Before continuing, it would probably be prudent to discuss the High Priest’s significance. In the Bible, Caiaphas is written about as the key figure who organized the plot to kill Jesus Christ, thus discoveries surrounding him are certainly noteworthy. Apparently, this unique find contains a mysterious inscription that could provide details about the home of Caiaphas’ family. LiveScience.com’s Jennifer Welsch has more:
The burial box, also called an ossuary, was discovered in 1990, but the inscription was just recently verified as legitimate (and not the result of forgers trying to increase an artifact’s value) by Yuval Goren of Tel Aviv University and Boaz Zissu of Bar Ilan University. The box is made of limestone, is covered in decorative rosettes and has an inscription.
According to Fox News, the Israel Antiquities Authority confiscated the box from looters and then passed it along to Goren, who has been leading the efforts to authenticate it over the past few years.
Unfortunately, because it made its rounds in the illegal ossuary trade, researchers aren’t able to trace the exact area where it was discovered. That being said, they believe it to have potentially originated in the Valley of Elah, located in the southwest of Jerusalem.
Interestingly, the inscription names the deceased within the context of three generations. Aside from showcasing these names, it provides a potential residence. The inscription reads: “Miriam daughter of Yeshua son of Caiaphus, priest of Maaziah from Beth Imri.” Welsch further explains what these words may mean:
The Maaziah refers to a clan that was one of 24 orders of high priests during the second temple period, Goren said. While there are some records of the Caiaphus family in Talmudic sources (the central texts of Judaism) that detail their lives after they spread into the Galilee in A.D. 70, the reference to Beit Imri gives new insight into the family’s location prior to their migration.
While Beit Imri may refer to yet another priestly order, researchers seem to believe that it is most likely a geographic location (most likely Caiaphus‘ family’s village). As was the case with the nails, some may be skeptical of this finding, but Goren claims that there is no doubt that “the inscription is authentic.”
According to researchers, the ossuary spent thousands of years in the ground; the microbes, algae and lichen that appear on it cannot be replicated or forged. If this information checks out, researchers may be able to better triangulate information surrounding Jesus’ death. This, according to some, may simply be one more piece of the historical puzzle.
(h/t LiveScience.com)
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Comments (135)
NurseEducator
Posted on September 1, 2011 at 10:58amBlessed are those who believe and have not seen. For we walk by FAITH and not by sight.
Report Post »Patriot nurse
Posted on September 1, 2011 at 11:05amAmen !!
Report Post »Vickie Dhaene
Posted on September 1, 2011 at 11:35amAmen !!!
Report Post »colonial10
Posted on September 3, 2011 at 3:50amAmen!!
Report Post »Sheepdog911
Posted on September 3, 2011 at 11:30amWhat understanding of Jesus’ death is provided by a burial box of a high priest involved in his death. Jesus was not the son of Caiaphas, so how does his son being named Yeshua (Jesus) have any implications for Christianity? That‘s like claiming that Billy Carter’s trip to Libya had anything to do with Bill Clinton’s selection of Secretary of State. Huh? you say. Exactly. Stupid and irrelavent analogy.
Report Post »BUDDY LITTLE
Posted on September 4, 2011 at 1:09amTHIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME! they tried to associate JESUS with a BONE BOX !!,the bone box is where they put the bones after the flesh has rotted away,For storage! SO if Jesus had a Bone Box This would be proof that he WAS NOT RESURRECTED!! and IS NOT THE MESSIAH!!
Report Post »aint it grand
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 8:15pmMore evidence. It is amazing when proof after proof comes forth vindicating the accuracy of the scriptures, it seems to never convince those who are sworn to disbelieve. I guess that‘s why they are called ’unbelievers’. Take the story of the ancient Israeli prophet Elijah for instance. Many proofs have surfaced surrounding the people and events of his life. See http://www.facebook.com/elijahiscoming
Report Post »db321
Posted on September 1, 2011 at 10:52amJesus lives in my heart and he can live in yours too – just ask him to come it.
Report Post »Lumen
Posted on September 1, 2011 at 10:45amJesus wasnt put in a box? How does this help if you were put in a tomb that is basically a cave with a rock in front….
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on September 1, 2011 at 1:47pmAn ossuary as used in Jewish practice of the time was used to house the bones of the deceased. They were kept in family tombs. After the remains of the deceased had decomposed, the bones were cleaned and put in ossuaries. You are correct, Christ (more accurately, his bones) was not put in an ossuary because he was only in Joseph of Arimethea’s tomb for three days.
Report Post »This isn‘t meant to be Jesus’ (Yeshua- a very popular name of the time) ossuary. What this ossuary could tell us though is more about Ciaphas who was head of the Sanhedrin at the time of Jesus’ crucifixion. By knowing more about Ciaphas, his village of origin and his family, we can verify more of the bible. The more we know about the pertinient players in the events, the more the events are corroborated or disproven..in this case, corroborated. Does this make more sense now?
Maine932
Posted on September 3, 2011 at 7:21amI thought, “Jesus rose again and ascended into heaven”…? Why would we have his bones here? I’m not trying to be sacrilegious…I’m trying to make sense of it!?!
Report Post »Maine932
Posted on September 3, 2011 at 7:23amSorry, Avengerk…I should have read your post first. Okay, it makes more sense now…thanks.
Report Post »Maine932
Posted on September 3, 2011 at 7:30amSorry, AVENGERK, I should have read your post first…It makes sense now.
Report Post »richfiederlein
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 9:11amtruth ,thankyou
Report Post »Jenny Lind
Posted on September 1, 2011 at 9:56amI do not need a single “thing” to tell me Christ lived, died and was brought forth fom the tomb alive. The scriptures tell the story, and the conversion comes from the Holy Spirit speaking truth in our heart. No one will convince the non-believers, and no one will convince we who have had the “mighty change of heart”, and have been converted to be the Lord”s followers.
Report Post »John 3:16
Posted on September 2, 2011 at 4:22pmJenny…Your post is most true. Thanks
Report Post »ROMANS 10-9
Posted on September 1, 2011 at 9:54amJESUS is Alive!
Happy Easter!
Jesus Lives!
Praise God!
Report Post »spinwizard
Posted on September 2, 2011 at 7:52pmYou might want to explore if easter has anything to do with Jesus
Report Post »webpreacher
Posted on September 3, 2011 at 9:14amGreetings Romans 10:9,
Just so you’ll know, “Easter” is mentioned only once in Holy Scripture, and is connected to the pagan practise in that time period, of worshiping the god (small g) of fertility. It has nothing to do with Jesus,(God’s Christ) and His Salvation plan / message, for mankind.
So, when you, and or anybody else takes part in this “holiday”, you are embracing a pagan religious practice, which is of the world, and NOT of God.
You can look it up, in the book of the “Acts of the apostles” ( 5th book of the New Testament), chapter 12, verses 3-5, it tells of the account of the deciples of Jesus being arrested, and put to death by King Herod, looking to “vex” certain (followers of chirst) of the church. We learn here in these verses that “Easter” was already a observence of that day and time, and had been long before Christ death, buriel and resurrection, and His accesion back into Heaven. It was already a worldly religious cultic practice which King Herod himself had observed !!
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Just so you’ll know.
Bruce // servant to King Jesus……alive and coming again, to take up His Chruch,“The Born Again”
Report Post »TEARS FOR AMERICA
Posted on September 1, 2011 at 8:47amHisStory is amazing and so many wish to rewrite it…God has given us His Word and I stand with the Truth…Caiphas, if his bones could return from the dust (is his spirit in hell? We do not know if he repented of killing the Messiah before he died, do we? Who knows the heart of man before his last breath?) would bend the knee to a Savior foretold in the Torah and preached from the prophets of old…the Tribulation will see many of His Chosen Ones- His People of Israel- who finally will acknowledge Jesus Christ as Lord of Lord and King of Kings!
Report Post »mils
Posted on September 1, 2011 at 9:32amwe all look for things to prove what we think is not merely a fantasy…and in doing so grasp for straws when that belief is based on fantasy and rumors. so looking for something to “prove” our belief becomes important i suppose. just because someone does not believe as you do, does not make them wrong.
Report Post »faith is needed in all religions as they are based on what people think, nothing more, nothing less. most things found so far…have no way of being proven true.. it’s like proving snowwhite and the dwarfs were true/not true….
this finding of a box and putting “he knew jesus” etc on it is really really really grasping.. it’s a box that belonged to the daughter of a high priest, nothing more. I mean..you folks believe what you will..but most christians that i have encountered really do need to find jesus somewhere in their life i think they keep him in their “sunday” closet. remember the saying…going to church or saying you are a Christina no more makes you a christian than sitting in a garage and reading a car manuel makes you a car.
TX_45_ACP
Posted on September 1, 2011 at 10:14am@MILS
Report Post »This is your outside view of Christianity. I won’t criticize you for it, of course. But as a Christian, I don’t need to look for any proof, I see the proof all around me. I don‘t care what a little box says or doesn’t say. But what I have that is undeniable for me personally, is proof through answers to prayers. God shows himself to people in different ways. Not saying he appears to us as a vision or some emotional episode or anything like that. But I can tell you that I have no doubt of God’s existence just based on answers to prayers that would be impossible for me to call coincidence. Not saying he says yes to me most of the time. This is part of what makes my relationship with God personal.
child of God
Posted on September 1, 2011 at 10:29pm@MILS
Report Post »I get what your saying but by doing that you put yourself at risk of focusing your faith on the objects of Jesus’ life and not Jesus himself.
mils
Posted on September 1, 2011 at 11:02pmI believe in God…I need no proof of the existence of a force greater than mankind…,.but it is God i believe in with no doubt. it is the others in the bible that i question.
Report Post »IAM-AMERICAN
Posted on September 1, 2011 at 7:44amGod so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son. He knew the Evil of this world, the corrupt, and the needs of our world and thought us redeemable.
Report Post »Thank you Lord for your sacrifice and all you have done for us. May we serve you as you have done for us.
Your truth is truly coming to light even for the deniers.
moelarrycurly
Posted on September 1, 2011 at 8:51amAmen
Report Post »louise
Posted on September 1, 2011 at 7:26amThis ossuary may be interesting, but not near as exciting as the knowledge that Jesus is risen….. and that He rose so that we, too, may also rise one day.
Report Post »This article about an ossuary if riddled with speculation. Eye witness accounts of the death, burial ressurrection, and appearances to hundreds of people after he rose from the dead is what is important.
poetopoet
Posted on September 1, 2011 at 5:14amCaiaphas
Caiaphas decided Jesus had to die
his betrayal was to question a Rabbi
who God ordained, Caiaphas ignored
and crucified the King of Kings, Jesus.
Jesus born of Mary, to forgive our sins
on judgment day the Son of God to rule
He ruled before they entombed His body.
They hardly knew Him, Jesus of Nazareth
what the Torah foretold, they also denied
Caiaphas incited the crowd of deceivers.
Know this now; Caiaphas burns in hell
that’s his daily ritual he never misses.
He sealed his own fate by the shouts
obeyed, the shouts of nonbelievers.
Hell is not a place you want to be
it waits for nonbelievers, Priests
Pharisees, Sadducees and Kings
politicians who blamed Christ.
Hell has no mercy in eternal pain
it waits on many; their mortal cries
who dared to open their mouths wide
and shouted Crucify Him! Crucify Him!
Echoed in hell they will never-ever, leave.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on September 1, 2011 at 7:06amIf you want to find out about Jesus, stop digging around in the dirt, and read the Gospels (Mathew, Mark, Luke, John).
He is not like buddha, confuscious, Muhammad, Bael, Molech Joseph Smith,…… His bones are not burried, he rose again on the third day, conquered death and sin, and sits on the right hand of the Father. He will come again.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on September 1, 2011 at 12:41pmGot me a shovel, but it ain’t for finding Jesus !!!
Report Post »Dustyluv
Posted on September 1, 2011 at 5:10amGuess what…He isn’t there either!
Report Post »Gypsy123
Posted on September 1, 2011 at 3:42amGod put Jesus on the Cross because of our sin. And relics are insignificant because he is alive and well and getting a place prepared for his people. The bible being the inspired word of GOD and approved by him is all I need to know my savior is coming back. Amen
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on September 1, 2011 at 6:59amThe only way relics are significant is to prove that this is not a religion based on fantasy, but on fact. It proves the Bible, by proving that the characters in the Bible actually existed. They can prove Jesus walked on earth, yet there is no body. They know where Mohammed was buried, Jesus didn’t stay dead. he conquered death.
Report Post »MrButcher
Posted on September 1, 2011 at 9:21am“Jesus didn’t stay dead”
Then he reneged on the whole dying-for-everyone’s-sins thing.
That‘s one thing I’ve always found funny about Christianity. Christians love to say that the Lord sent his only son to die for everyone‘s transgressions yet he didn’t die. He didn’t stay dead. He rose from the grave. How is that dying for all sin?
The logic of this claim doesn’t work.
Oh, well…..
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on September 1, 2011 at 9:34amMr Butcher:
You’ve hit on the central mystery of Christianity. Jesus as a man could suffer and die, but since He was also God, His death could somehow atone for everyone’s sins, as well as which, He couldn’t stay dead, instead rising as a sort of down payment on the eventual resurrection of all of us. Or something like that. Whether this is a piece of foolishness or a profound truth about God’s dealings with man depends on your faith or lack of it.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on September 1, 2011 at 5:31pmMrButcher…you seem to have a distinct lack of understanding as to the central tenet of Christianity. The death and resurrection of Christ. The very earliest creeds of Christianity are recitations of the death and resurrection of Christ. His torture and death were endured to bear our sins before our heavenly father. His resurrection was a testament to Christ’s authority and power, as to the promise he made to us of redemption and everlasting life. For 40 days after his resurrection he appeared to over 500 of his followers, ate with them, interacted with them and then ascended to his glory in heaven. He wasn’t a ghost he was physically resurrected, this is not a small detail it’s the most important event in Christianity. He defeated death as was prophesied in both the old and new testaments. He fulfilled the prophesies. His bones were not broken, he entered Jerusalem through the East Gate on a donkey. Three days he lay dead …etc…there are many others. Of course Jews contest the fulfillment of the prophesies…but Christ predicted this would take place.The T’orah is normative to Christians where it is reiterated by Christ in the New Testament. Nevermind the storied history between the two faiths..they are sister faiths.
Report Post »BuzzardSays
Posted on September 1, 2011 at 5:41pmTo Mr Butcher,
What do you mean Jesus did not die? Are you redefining death? I consider death brain dead, heart dead, spirit gone and body decomposing. This occurred for three days in Jesus’ case. But then tada Jesus was brought back to life because…he was sinless and found to be blameless. Death had no hold on Him and thus death was defeated when Jesus was resurrected.
If you ever die for that long, in your current state of spiritual affairs, you’ll just keep on being dead in the flesh. Unfortunately you’ll be alive in the spirit and find yourself a permanent resident in Sheol (Hades).
Report Post »colonial10
Posted on September 3, 2011 at 3:59amI‘m sure mrbutcher or others if you were strung up on a cross i’m sure you’d be screaming for mercy like a little obnoxious kid. On the other hand you may be throwing innocent people under the bus to free yourself. Jesus manned up and heroically died for us sinners. Thank goodness God shows mercy on us as when he showed mercy on the thief that was crucified with him. If people would put aside their Prejudism and actually study to understand instead of lobbying crap at people you might see both sides of the equation. There were many witness’s that day when Jesus died. You will also have to convince the Muslims because they believe Jesus was crucified as well.
Report Post »Gh0stWrit3r
Posted on September 1, 2011 at 1:25amKeep in mind when talking about the High Priest, the Jewish leadership did not put Jesus Christ on the cross. The Secular Roman authorities carried out the death of Jesus to “keep the peace” with Jewish authorities at a time of turmoil. Do not blame the Jews or Pontius Pilate for that matter. Blame me as a sinner for putting Jesus on the cross. Just saying this, not that the pharisees and saducees didn’t have their part in it, but that ultimately we ought to only condemn ourselves for Jesus being nailed to the cross. Thank you for the cross!
Report Post »Chuck Stein
Posted on September 1, 2011 at 3:25amwell said
Report Post »kindling
Posted on September 1, 2011 at 3:40amI have wondered about that all my life. Why do people insist on getting upset at the Jews, when He died for us. It is like what is happening today. We all know why this is happening and should be happy because it means He is going to return to us. I guess even if we know why it is happening we don’t have to like it or go willingly. What would we do without faith……become progressives I guess.
Report Post »mycomet123
Posted on September 1, 2011 at 10:02amGHOSTWRIT3R, Actually it was Father God that put Jesus on the cross! Revelation 13:8 (The lamb that was slain from the creation of the world).
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on September 1, 2011 at 5:06pmChrist said that the curtain in the temple would be torn in two. He was referring to some Jews following him and some remaining as Jews. Ciaphas saw Jesus as a threat to Jewish authority. In Jewish law, men cannot forgive sins, only God/G-d. Yet here was Christ going around the countryside forgiving others for their sins. This is heresy to the Jews of the time. Ciaphas was also head of the Sandhedrin, the leading religious authority in Jerusalem. Christ was a trouble maker and heretic to Ciaphas and a threat to their power. Among the Sanhedrin were men like Joseph of Arimethea who befriended Jesus and offered his tomb for Jesus’ body. Under Roman law, Jews could not enforce the death penalty only Roman authorities could. This is why Jesus was sent to Herod for disposition. Jesus being from Nazareth came under Herod’s jurisdiction. Unwilling to judge Jesus, Herod sends him back to Pilate who we know from the histories was a harsh governor who needed to bring Israel under control. After a while, Pilate judges Jesus guilty of sedition for telling Jews to not pay taxes and for claiming to be King (only Caesar is king). Ciaphas thought he’d then got rid of a trouble maker. In AD 70 the great temple is destroyed by the Romans and Jews scattered throughout the territory. Which Christ predicted would happen. It isn’t accurate to say Jews killed Jesus. It’s accurate to say some Jewish authorities saw him as threat and had him killed.
Report Post »libertylover55
Posted on September 1, 2011 at 8:55pmHe suffered and died on the cross because of His great love for us. He allowed himself to be put there. He loves us individually so much that He wants us to be part of His heavenly kingdom. We just need to keep His commandments. That’s all He asks of us.
Report Post »TH30PH1LUS
Posted on September 1, 2011 at 12:08amAmong the many other corrupt & evil things Herod did: he installed his own high priest (instead of observing the Biblical tradition of father-to-son priesthood). I’ve been to the excavated remains of the house of Caiaphus – there are “prison pits” dug into his backyard, where prisoners would be lowered with (and probably suspended by) ropes until he delivered “justice”. What sort of priest keeps “prison pits” in his backyard?
Report Post »Mimi24
Posted on September 1, 2011 at 12:57amHerod did not win. Jesus lived to die on the cross and be resurrected. He lives!
Report Post »Virgil_Lance
Posted on September 1, 2011 at 3:14amAmen!
Report Post »wordweaver
Posted on August 31, 2011 at 11:38pmThis article doesn’t really explain how this find is significant, and especially how it would shed any light at all on Christ’s death, as the sensational headline claims. They have a bone box that might have held Caiaphas’s remains at some point. No mention of what if anything is in the box now, but we do know the box has been in the hands of looters recently, which of course doesn‘t help to make it worth anything historically speaking now that it’s been tampered with. Excuse me if I’m not impressed.
Report Post »Mimi24
Posted on August 31, 2011 at 11:53pmIt really does not matter who this box held. The good news is that Jesus Christ is risen! He has broken the bonds of death and we do not serve a dead God.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on September 1, 2011 at 12:04amIndeed, authentic or not, it is informative from a archeological point of view. True faith is lived and as the Lord Jesus declared to the Apostle Thomas (of Doubting Thomas fame).
“It is better to believe and not have seen, than to see and then believe.”
Report Post »capitalismrocks
Posted on August 31, 2011 at 11:28pmits difficult to really comment since the box cannot be 100% verified as to it originating location, nor can it really decipher more of Jesus‘ death since it is not directly connected to Jesus other then the person who was part of the reason for Jesus’ death, so its certainly interesting, but not earth shattering…
Now if a piece of the Shroud of Turin that was not sprayed with the fire retardant was uncovered, and it was not a section that had been repaired in the 1200 or 1400 century, but was 100% the original cloth and it could be carbon dated, that would be something earth shattering, but since the Shroud can no longer be carbon tested and the scientist who chose the one area of the shroud they knew had been burned and repaired, would most likely give us a false dating of the Shroud, we will now never know.
Report Post »Mimi24
Posted on August 31, 2011 at 11:37pmThe most important part isn’t how or where He was buried but that he is risen. Death could not hold Him.
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on September 1, 2011 at 12:05amThe ossuary cannot speak to Jesus’ crucifixion. Ossuaries were commonly used in His century but only after natural processes had removed the flesh fm the bones — abt a year or so. The body was buried, allowed to decay, the bones were reburied in an ossuary.
Jesus was in the grave 3 days, as reckoned in the first century, certainly not long enough to rate an ossuary.
Roman nails, more like spikes, have already been examined in the heel bone of a crucified Jew whose bones have been recovered. Most of the nails were reused after removal fm the dead — they were too expensive to bury by the Romans’ reckoning.
So it is quite unlikely that those nails came fm Jesus. Those nails would have been recycled by the Romans who removed His body fm the Cross. They would not have been given to the High Priest. It would make no sense.
Report Post »tasgardson
Posted on September 1, 2011 at 11:32pmWhat is earth shattering, is that a particle physicist examined the relic and proclaimed the image had been formed by the dead man floating in air by levitation.
Further, the burial cloth mysteriously arranged itself to form a perfectly flat field more conducive to photography.
The photographic flash was described as a “event horizon,” whereby The Resurrected One emitted thermonuclear explosions out of every pore of His skin.
That horizon was the birth of a new universe.
Report Post »dontbotherme
Posted on August 31, 2011 at 11:25pmThere are an awful lot of suppositions in this story. This box may prove the existence of the familial line of Caiaphas. This has nothing to do with the life or death of our Risen Lord, Jesus Christ.
Report Post »Mimi24
Posted on September 1, 2011 at 12:24amYou know it doesn’t , but I tend to get a little excited when I see real life proof of Jesus’s walk on this Earth. Not for me, I believe. But for the ones that need to see tangible proof of his existence.
Report Post »Pontiac
Posted on August 31, 2011 at 11:17pmJust 9 comments? Seeing this is The Blaze, and this is the 16th story down, I‘m surprised there aren’t more than 5 pages of comments yet…
Report Post »Mimi24
Posted on September 1, 2011 at 12:14amWas that your comment or are you just warming up?
Report Post »Pontiac
Posted on September 1, 2011 at 1:24amSounds like you enjoy being on the receiving end Mimi.
Report Post »Bennie Franklin
Posted on August 31, 2011 at 11:13pmYes…The Naked Archeologist first filmed this. What the Blaze is leaving out is how a New World Order organization…“The Rockefeller Foundation” conveniently buried the fact that there where crucifixion nails found in the coffin and at the sight. They had the nails moved to an entirely different museum in a different country. The Rockefeller Foundation owns many of the largest archeological museums around the world. They control what the public can see and what we can’t. There is much history they keep from us
Report Post »ShyLow
Posted on August 31, 2011 at 11:34pmWhat size were the nails?16 penny…come on Blaze…whether you think I’m crazy or not…you have to admit,it is an interesting story…please connect me with Glenn…I’m like Johny Mnemonic…I have to unload this information somewhere…I trust Glenn to treat me with respect…please help me Glenn
Report Post »Mimi24
Posted on August 31, 2011 at 11:40pmThey haven’t been able to keep the Holy Bible from us. Yet. I‘m sure they’re working on that.
Report Post »Captain Crunch
Posted on September 1, 2011 at 1:07amThey can outlaw them, they can imprison believers caught with them, they can even have massive bible burnings, but the Word of God will never pass away. They can’t stop the truth.
Report Post »Captain Crunch
Posted on August 31, 2011 at 11:10pmIts sounds like there may have been some believers in Jesus in Caiaphas’ family, maybe even the high priest himself. Wouldn’t it be great if Caiaphas himself bame to believe in Jesus?
Report Post »Mimi24
Posted on September 1, 2011 at 12:18amYes. It would be great if everyone came to believe in Jesus.
Report Post »Bolo2811
Posted on August 31, 2011 at 11:05pmHE is not here……………HE is Risen!.
You men of gailalee, why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus shall return in like manner as you have seen Him go!
Yeshua will destroy the son of perdition with the brightness of His coming.
Report Post »MODEL82A1
Posted on August 31, 2011 at 11:15pm“…And spotteth twice they the camels before the third hour, and so, the Midianites went forth to Ram Gilead in Kadesh Bilgemath, by Shor Ethra Regalion, to the house of Gash-Bil-Bethuel-Bazda, he who brought the butter dish to Balshazar and the tent peg to the house of Rashomon, and there slew they the goats, yea, and placed they the bits in little pots.” Here endeth the lesson.
Report Post »Mimi24
Posted on August 31, 2011 at 11:48pmModel82a1, have you really read anything about what you are bashing? If you haven’t then I humbly ask you to. If you reject God’s holy word after a sincere search then at least you will know who and what you are rejecting. Thank you for listening. God’s best to you.
Report Post »JUSTANOTHEROPINION
Posted on August 31, 2011 at 11:01pmIf you want to save the world, all you have to do is ask one question, answer it honestly and do it. The question is very simple. WWJD?
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on August 31, 2011 at 11:10pmWWJD?
Jesus would heal the lame and lepers, cause the blind to see, the deaf to hear. He would drive out demons, feed the starving crowds, walk on water, calm storms, turn water into wine, and bring back the dead. He would try and show your mortal mind the true meaning of Scripture and most importantly, He would be the perfect sacrifice for your sin, suffering great agony and a horrible death to bring you life.
That is what Jesus would do.
I think a better question to ask yourself is what would Jesus have you do? The answer is dirt simple.
Repent and Believe.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on September 1, 2011 at 4:32pmyo Trolltrainer:
And then what…take a nap?
Report Post »MODEL82A1
Posted on August 31, 2011 at 10:55pmNo. Next question.
Report Post »Mimi24
Posted on August 31, 2011 at 11:33pmWell, when you leave this world, and you will. You won‘t be able to claim that you hadn’t heard. Your choice.
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on September 1, 2011 at 12:13amTry one of the contemporary versions rather than the King James **no flames, guys** I offer the English Standard Version or maybe even The Message for starters. They preserve the meaning of the ancient languages while putting it into today’s English.
Mimi’s correct — taste it, see that the Word is sweet and satisfying! :-)
Report Post »PATTY HENRY
Posted on August 31, 2011 at 10:53pmIF you want to know JESUS, just ask Him. SAY: JESUS I want to know you. Then be quiet and open your heart and mind and wait. Once you know that HE is there, HE is real, your life will change forever.
You will no longer FEAR anything (except not being the person God created) and you don’t have to be GOOD on your own…since that’s impossible. The Holy Spirit comes from GOD and lives in you and through the Holy Spirit you will come to be able to be obedient, to hear God, to do the things that will enhance YOUR life in ways you cannot imagine.
The Father that created you wants the best possible for you in all ways. He made you, He loves you and He’s waiting for you to come to Him. This is what separates Christianity from Islam. Islam’s god (not the GOD we worship) threatens people and uses them. OUR GOD (an AWESOME GOD) loves us like the CHILDREN we are and wants us to come to HIM on our own!!! Not because we are afraid for our lives or that some IMAM will order us dead. PEOPLE. for your eternal life. Please re-read this. I learned it. I want to share it. God is asking us to speak out. NOW. :)
Report Post »MODEL82A1
Posted on August 31, 2011 at 11:08pmPATTY, If, during the quiet reflection of prayer, you actually hear a disembodied voice speaking to you (even in your “mind”), seek psychiatric help, not recruits.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on August 31, 2011 at 11:20pmAmen Patty Henry.
Those of us that have had a conversion experience know it is real. Trying to explain that to those who have not is another matter. They are blind, we have seen. Do not let that deter you though, our job is to sow the seed, the Spirit reaps the harvest. We are not recognized for those who were saved, only for those we told.
Report Post »Mimi24
Posted on September 1, 2011 at 12:06amPatty, I believe that you are doing what God has laid on your heart to do and bless you for doing it. We are going to be made fun of. Jesus said that we would, but we have to keep trying. One person that doesn’t spend eternity in Hell is worth everything. We have no way of knowing the lasting effects of our words to spread the news of the saving grace of Jesus Christ.
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on September 1, 2011 at 12:15am@Model — trying being very still and quiet. God’s voice does not scream at us, and we live in a very noisy world.
Reading the Scriptures will help you tune your ears (to the right channel and volume) to the voice of the divine.
Report Post »Mimi24
Posted on September 1, 2011 at 12:54amModel82A1, for some reason I am concerned for you. You act like you are here to make fun of us, but maybe not. Here’s what I have found to be true. Life is hard but God is an on time God. He may not answer when we think he should but his timing, grace and mercy are perfect. I hope you are able to learn that. God bless.
Report Post »Pontiac
Posted on September 1, 2011 at 1:20am@Elena2010
Report Post »It would be easier for the divine, the supreme being, to change its method of communication rather than relying on men likened to David Koresh and Marshall Applewhite in their time to spread Gods message.
Maybe you’re right, lets drop our skepticism and logic for an unwavering belief in something we can’t prove outside of our imaginations. While we’re at it lets start believing in leprechauns and unicorns, all we’ll have to do is tune our ears.
M1A2_Tanker
Posted on September 1, 2011 at 7:22am@Pontiac “Maybe you’re right, lets drop our skepticism and logic for an unwavering belief in something we can’t prove outside of our imaginations. While we’re at it lets start believing in leprechauns and unicorns, all we’ll have to do is tune our ears.”
Do you mean Like The THEORY of Evolution? or How about “Global Warming/Cooling/Climate Change?
Report Post »Please try and be more respectful of our views. We don’t force you to believe, as you and your kind try to force us. You can believe what you, but you must take a step back and look at who is belittling who. After all your the ones with “skepticism and logic”
trolltrainer
Posted on September 1, 2011 at 8:02amPontiac,
Please KEEP your skepticism and logic, I came to Christ through these things. Forget David Koresh or any other man who has misrepresented God. It is not God that is evil, it is man. God gave you free will, He gave you choice. This is what makes you a sinner, you are disobedient, we all are. We all want to rebel.
You can prove Christ was who He claimed. See my post below. It is called the empty tomb argument. You cannot refute it…not logically. You can deny it, you can try to change the facts, but the facts remain. Jesus was real, He claimed to be God, He was crucified and buried, and 3 days later He was seen by many people on numerous occasions…Alive! Most of these people suffered agonizing deaths themselves when all they had to do was recant their faith. Men often die for a lie, but you do not willingly die for what you KNOW to be a lie. Look at the experience of Saul of tarsus, something big happened there. He went to the most ferocious Christian-hating Jew to the world’s leading Christian in an instant. What?
But Christians do not need any of that because we have the conversion experience itself. That is the most real proof there is. Something wonderful happened to every Christian and when we sit down and discuss it we find it is a universal experience. Different reasons but same results. We know it is real because we LIVE it. I hope you can one day experience it too.
Report Post »harumph
Posted on September 1, 2011 at 11:06amAs for me and my house, we will serve the Lord. Once you meet Him, you understand.
Report Post »Pontiac
Posted on September 1, 2011 at 11:26amWanna know where atheist come from? Weak religious arguments like these.
“He was seen by many people on numerous occasions…”
So was bigfoot.
“He went to the most ferocious Christian-hating Jew~ ”
In other words he already believed in the leprechaun, now he also believes in the unicorn. I don’t see how that helps your argument.
@M1A2_Tanker
Report Post »Evolution / Climate are physical things we can scientifically analyze and observe in the real world. When you find Gods fossils or God extinguishes the sun for an hour let me know. Right now he’s a supreme cupcake when it comes to evidence of his existence.
Pontiac
Posted on September 1, 2011 at 11:33am@harumph
Report Post »Wow. That creepy clown avatar really emphasizes your post.
4truth2all
Posted on September 1, 2011 at 5:20pmYo Pontiac;
Big foot has been found out to be a hoax, or have you been sleeping in a cave yourself?
The unicorn thing… your point is like a boat that doesn’t have a bottom.
Your anology is not even close, do you really believe your own words here?
Have no idea what Gods fossils are.
As far as signs… they are right in front of your face (you call it global warming, but when that did not fit, it was changed to climate control). May of these people have been FACTUALLY proven as lying.
As far as signs………………………………..
You should read Revelation…YOU WILL GET WHAT YOU ASK FOR !!!
I hope that you heart is not so hardened that you will still not see and instead believe the lies of the world.
The devil plays on the fears of men and CLIMATE CHANGE has them running afraid. I hope that your heart is not so hardened that you will not see and in turn run with the crowd all the while headed toward slaughter while many try to warn you.
Proverbs 24:11 Rescue those being led away to death:
hold back those staggering toward slaughter.
If I pulled you out of a burning car would you mock me?
I could write a book (a thick book) of all the ways God has spoken to me, (no I have not heard His audible voice), and guided me.That’s why I believe as I do, it’s not just the ink on paper!
Report Post »Pontiac
Posted on September 1, 2011 at 7:29pm@4truth2all
“Big foot has been found out to be a hoax,”
Some sightings have been exposed as hoaxes. Others have not been “disproven” because there is little to go on. We only have words of men to go on, you know, like the bible… It was an analogy, in case you missed it.
“your point is like a boat that doesn’t have a bottom.”
He was a Jew that believed in god, then he became a christian and added Jesus to his list of beliefs. IOW a wish granting leprechaun (God) can’t be proven but a horse with a horn (Jesus) is somewhat close to real and I’m supposed to be influenced by this story… What part of this analogy did you not get?
“Have no idea what Gods fossils are.”
That was another “analogy” for you have no evidence outside of “feelings” and “faith”. Do you take everything you read so literally? Oh wait…
“As far as signs… ”
I never said anything about “signs”.
“you call it global warming”
I never called it global warming. Never said I believed in global warming from Co2 produced by man. You made an assumption and ran with it. Just like you are with your religion.
“I hope that your heart is not so hardened”
Your head is hardened… Stop assuming I am some Progressive Liberal Democrat because I am NOT!
“You should read Revelation…YOU WILL GET WHAT YOU ASK FOR”
Report Post »Well I certainly didn’t ask for capslock… You want me to read something that was wrote by a man speaking as God thinking it will change my view? Sorry but
Pontiac
Posted on September 1, 2011 at 7:39pm(ran out of space)
“If I pulled you out of a burning car would you mock me?”
What in tarnations does this have to do with anything? But yeah I’m going to mock you for that…
“of all the ways God has spoken to me, (no I have not heard His audible voice), and guided me.”
Report Post »I got a GPS that does that. Its both audible and visual.
Pontiac
Posted on September 1, 2011 at 7:43pm2nd to last post was chopped off after sending it for some reason.
Report Post »~~~You want me to read something that was wrote by a man speaking as God thinking it will change my view? Sorry but I’m familiar enough with it to know that it wont.
4truth2all
Posted on September 2, 2011 at 6:03amYo Pontiac:
Did these people that CLAIM to have seen big foot eat, walk, and talk, ride in boats (live with him)?You say there is little to go on. This is not true of Jesus. There is much recorded outside of the bible. In fact, considering the time frame it is massive. After His death and ressurection not only did people CLAIM to have seen him they ate,walked and talked with him. Again the number of people is substantial (50 or 500 I get this number confussed). It is the same as you writing down the events of a friendship you had and they survive for 2000 years. But people come along and say; Oh, that book of Pontiac is just a bunch of lies. It is quite simple.
As far as the leprechaun… Jesus is not a wish granter. I could certainly say much more here, but what’s the point when your analogy is a mockery. So, yes I got your analogies, I just think they are
poor analogies.
As far as “Gods fossils” sorry I didn’t get. might be me, could be you.
I apologize for the global warming part. I got some other posts confussed with yours. It was not an assumption. I try not to assume. I have learned when one does this they are usually wrong and thus problems are caused. I do not make assumptions about my faith, which I do believe there is much proof for, I stick to what the bible says; nothing less and nothing more.
Again I did not assume that you were a democrat, liberal, republican or martian. I could care less! I hate the labels I believe that it’s you assuming th
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on September 2, 2011 at 6:40amYo Pontiac:
( Continued )…. I believe that it‘s you assuming that I’m assuming.
As far as signs … you said “God extinguishes the sun”. Correct me if I’m wrong ,are you indeed not asking for a sign? Revelation speaks of many, but since you know it so well I’m sure you will recognize them when they happen or maybe I should say happening. In fact not just Revelation but many other places in the bible. But again. you know this…right?
The burning car… sorry you did not get my analogy. Do you take everything you read so literally? If the bible is true you are doing exactly that!
And then we have the god known as GPS. The technology of men sooner or latter fails or just plain wears out. It may get you to where you want to go here but it is pretty much useless in getting you to heaven. So, again you mock. No disrespect to you but your mockery is foolish.
So if the bible is true, I stand here trying to help you out of your burning car with the GPS. And your reply is to call me foolish because your good. I try/ed if you wish to stay in the car so be it. Hope you reach your destination. I wonder though, do you really know where your going???
Report Post »Pontiac
Posted on September 2, 2011 at 11:02am“After His death and resurrection*** not only did people CLAIM to have seen him they ate,walked and talked with him”
People also claim Elvis is still alive, and have ate, walked, or talked with him. People also claim to have been abducted by space aliens. You cannot win an argument by pointing these things out…
“leprechaun… Jesus is not a wish granter. ”
God was the leprechaun and wish granting was irrelevant. Your comprehension skills are nonexistent. Not surprising really.
“… you said “God extinguishes the sun”. Correct me if I’m wrong ,are you indeed not asking for a sign?”
No, signs are assumptions, I’m asking for undeniable proof. Not things science explains that idiots, still to this day, point to as acts of god.
“stand here trying to help you out of your burning car with the GPS. And your reply is to call me foolish”
Report Post »You autistic fool… Do you not get sarcasm?! The burning car had nothing to do with this conversation! Stop injecting your delusions of heroism.
4truth2all
Posted on September 2, 2011 at 9:51pmPontiac:
Concerning Elvis: You analogies are like looking at a tree from a long distance away, where all you see is a green shape. However, when you get to within 5 feet of the tree you now see the individual leaves, the vaines in the leaves the aphids and catipillars on the leaves. Elvis and Jesus are not even close which is what an analogy is supposed to be. Elvis’s own family said he was dead. I bet if you dug up the casket his bones would be there. NOBODY ever claimed he came back from the dead. Jesus died in public view from a violent death which was witnessed by many. His own siblings did not believe in Him until after they saw Him resurrected. Big foot did not work for you and neither does Elvis. Wisdom would tell me to not even address the space aliens as this would just dig a deeper hole.
I will say that it is the worse analogy of them all. I truly do not understand what makes you think they work?
I am not trying to WIN the arguement. I do not wish to argue. I am trying to reason. If I lose the “arguement’ but gain your ear then I win cause I have succeded at my goal.
I made an apology for a mistake in my previous post, and I will apologize for my mistake of putting Jesus where you did indeed say God. I make no excusses, but it is natural for me to put the Father, Son, and Spirit as one. I did not find an apology in your reply concerning your assumptions. But then I did not think I would.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on September 2, 2011 at 11:03pmContinued… If you think my comprehension skills are lacking I really could care less. Not sure why you find the need to make the attempt to insult. I’m not going to get in a word game about signs, assumptions. Your own words were “God extinguishes the sun for and hour”. That to me is a sign. I understood even in my limited comprehension what you meant. I bet that if that did indeed happen you would believe what “science’ would tell you happened ,and call all those that would say it is a sign from God, idiots. I do not myself consider that undeniable proof. Undeniable proof to me is Him standing before me. You did not say that. I addressed what you said
GPS… I have myself done foolish things. That is all I was referring to concerning the car. It would be foolish to stay in the burning car. It was not personal. I’m sorry that you took it that way. You again resort to name calling. I got your sarcasm. I was using it to make my point. Seems to me I could question your comprehension numerious times here.
Actually, the burning car IS the most important issue and this whole conversation pertains to it. That is what I want you to comprehend. I’ m not trying to be a hero!
Report Post »Jesus made a statement… I did not come into the world to condem it, but to save it.
I am not trying, nor do I wish to condem you.
I am only trying to reach in a burning car for you!
To save YOU
I pray that one day you will comprehend this.
deja33
Posted on September 3, 2011 at 12:38pm@pontiac in regards to your reference to the “autistic fool”….let me just say that I prefer the term useless idiot. Really, let’s not be un PC. My austic family members might be offended. Any experience with aforementioned “autistic fools” yourself? You have no clue; shall I call you a useless idiot then? Try being graced by someone with autism. You would not soon call them a fool. You might even feel BLESSED. (yes all caps)
Report Post »Pontiac
Posted on September 3, 2011 at 3:35pm“I am only trying to reach in a burning car for you!”
Find someone sitting in their car in a parking lot, run up to them and yank them out of their car while shouting “PRAISE JESUS for you are SAVED!” even though their car is NOT on fire. You will get two results: First one being you made a huge ass out of yourself, second one being you lowered the outward impression of your religion. Sir, my car is not on fire and I have no need for your emotional crutch. The more Christians post comments in the blaze the less I think of them as reasonable people and the more I think of them as emotional loons that are too lazy or stupid to find real reasons for their predicaments.
CASE . IN . POINT
This racist bigot named Fatjack.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/cain-he-do-it-while-running-a-thrifty-campaign-georgia-businessman-satisfied-with-iowa-finish/#comment-1677672
In closing I have no need for your religion, I know where I am, I know where I’m going, I don’t need you imagining my “car” is on fire so you to play hero with your fairy tales to validate your existence. P*** off.
@deja33
Report Post »I used two terms, autistic because he could not comprehend what I wrote, fool because he thinks he can make me a religious zombie. It seems you think autism inherently means useless idiot when I know many can excel at other things.
Freebird
Posted on August 31, 2011 at 10:46pmHow does any of this prove anything? The priests believed Jesus was a false teacher,so I‘m sure they wouldn’t be saving any souvenirs of his time here on earth. They were glad He was gone as far as they were concerned.
We have the Scriptures to tell us what happened to Christ at His death.The is ALL I need.
Report Post »Freebird
Posted on August 31, 2011 at 10:49pm*That* not the
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on August 31, 2011 at 10:53pmIt is just further support that the story we get from the Bible is indeed accurate. There are very few serious scholars who will deny Jesus of Nazareth really existed and was crucified by the Romans. He was a real character. This goes a long way in actually proving Jesus was who He claimed. No matter if you do not want to believe the supernatural, it is fact that the people who were there believed Jesus was buried and rose again.
For those who do not want to believe no proof in the world will suffice. Jesus could come down from heaven right in front of them and they would claim it was an alien, or their imagination, or a ghost…But Christians have rational and logical arguments for their beliefs.
Report Post »truemedia
Posted on August 31, 2011 at 10:46pmOh what will Muslims do as Archeology continues with every turn of the shovel to show the truth of the Bible!
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on August 31, 2011 at 11:04pmnot believe it……..
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