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Will Federal Judges Declare All or Part of ObamaCare Unconstitutional?

Will Federal Judges Declare All or Part of ObamaCare Unconstitutional?The courtroom was tense earlier today when the Eleventh Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals began hearing arguments for the latest legal showdown in the war over ObamaCare. The three presiding judges are reviewing a previous decision that was made by Pensacola, Florida Judge Roger Vinson. Back in January, Vinson found the entire 2,700-page health care law unconstitutional.

The proceedings began with the three judges critically questioning the contents of the health care law. Collectively, these questions seemed to indicate that they may be ready to declare all, or at least parts, of the law unconstitutional. Perhaps most damning, the judges explained that they could not recall one instance in history in which a court had agreed with the government forcing citizens to purchase a product or service (the health care law mandates that most Americans have coverage by 2014). The Los Angeles Times has more:

“I can’t find any case like this,” said Chief Judge Joel Dubina of the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals. “If we uphold this, are there any limits” on the power of the federal government? he asked.

Judge Stanley Marcus appeared to agree. “I can’t find any case“ in the past where the courts upheld ”telling a private person they are compelled to purchase a product in the open market…. Is there anything that suggests Congress can do this?”

Many critics of the law believe that the government went too far in implementing the individual mandate. The judges appeared to mirror this sentiment. According to FOX News:

Judge Frank Hull later asked whether Congress could pass a similar law which could require Americans to buy certain types of cars or solar panels to comply with federal energy policy. Her question encapsulated the fear shared by many: that if the law is upheld it will open the door to unprecedented federal intervention in people’s lives.

To date, 26 states and the National Federation of Independent Businesses have come together to urge the judges to put a stop to the Democrats’ controversial health care law. These parties are represented by Bush-era Solicitor General Paul Clement.

Regardless of what happens, this case is far from over. The 11th Circuit judges are not expected to rule on the matter until the end of the summer and, even when they do, the case will likely move to the nation’s high court. During the proceedings, Judge Joel Dubina said, “I doubt this is the last time we’ll be arguing this case,” clearly predicting that the fight will likely make its way to the U.S. Supreme Court.

FOX News’ Judge Napolitano believes that the Supreme Court will hear the case sometime in 2012. If a decision is made before the November 2012 election and the Obama administration loses, it could spell trouble for the president’s chances at a second term. Below, watch Napolitano discuss his take on these issues:

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  • betsp
    Posted on June 8, 2011 at 10:46pm

    So they require cars to have certain mileage capabilities, light bulbs which nobody wants, toilets which don’t flush properly, schools to serve specific lunches and on and on. We should have stopped government intervention in our lives after Roosevelt. Let’s stop it now, bit by bit, piece by piece, agency by agency.

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  • godhatesacoward
    Posted on June 8, 2011 at 10:40pm

    I think that as tax payers there should be a form with our 1040′s that allocate for what program & what % of our dollars should go to said program. idividually. we as american’s have the right to decide for ourselves where our taxes go. that should open some eyes!

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  • Vanguard
    Posted on June 8, 2011 at 10:40pm

    Please read:

    http://www.socialistreview.org.uk/article.php?articlenumber=8841

    This is turning back the clocks to 1972 as we American must stop socialism now in all concepts and theory by simply looking at “1972” England.

    It spurred a punk movement that the Pistols, Clash (Guns of Brixton) amazing song off London Calling and my President still thinks that socialism has a chance.

    Obama believes it has a chance with the right leader… himself. Does socialism extol a “leader”? Leaders or rather one despot that will come to power and betray even his own. Always.

    Trotsky ran from Stalin because Lenin knew Marxism would not work on his death bed. Trotsky dead in Mexico, killed by a paranoid Stalin because Trotsky wanted pure Marxism and Stalin wanted Power. Why? Our Founding Fathers saw this coming.

    http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/COLDmao.htm

    30 million killed by Stalin, some say 7 times as much in China under MAO “Inspired by the Russian Revolution the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) was established in Shanghai by Chen Duxiu and Li Dazhao in June 1921. Early members included Mao, Zhou Enlai, Zhu De and Lin Biao. Following instructions from the Comintern members also joined the Kuomintang (link above).”

    How many more chances do we get before we understand “triage”, right away, no “nudge” as that takes to long as we must act fast now before it is too late.

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  • 264win
    Posted on June 8, 2011 at 10:24pm

    Obama doesn’t care about black people, He only used the color of this skin to collect votes.

    So hopefully the black community won’t be fooled the second time around!

    This time around look at the person resume, history, experience past and present know something about the candidate.

    And for God’s sake don’t just vote for the color of his skin, we have already learned that lesson.

    Obama is a imposter!

    He fooled us once shame on him! If he fools us a second time shame on us!

    “I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation when they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.” (Martin Luther King Jr.)

    Our black community needs to look at Obama character and not the color of his skin! The true black black community has nothing in common with the man he is using you!

    Please open your eyes before it is to late.

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    • SHOWMESTATEGUY
      Posted on June 8, 2011 at 10:51pm

      I agree with what you are saying. Sadly I think it will take many,many years before the black population of this country finally understand that the democracts have robbed them of their future. In the next election blacks will vote democratic to the tune of 90%. That will not change for a very, very long time.

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  • wisehiney
    Posted on June 8, 2011 at 10:18pm

    Did y’all know there was a Confederate General from South Carolina named “States Rights Gist”. He was named that long before the Civil War. Died a hero at the battle of Franklin, TN.

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  • lketchum
    Posted on June 8, 2011 at 10:16pm

    @The Big Pickle

    Knock. It. Off!

    There is no room in this world for your words of hate, pal. God created all men in his image and all, through the salvation of Jesus Christ, are to be welcomed in his kingdom.

    I swear to that God, if I heard you say such things in person, I’d knock you on your duff.

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    • The Big Pickle
      Posted on June 8, 2011 at 10:50pm

      HATE?

      I’m telling you the truth!

      If my comments are hateful then the truth is hateful.

      Deal with it!

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    • Doc T
      Posted on June 9, 2011 at 12:14am

      listen…that is an agitator who works for some liberal site who want to be certain hate is on this board. No one would be ignorant enough even if they thought that way to state it publically. Do respond and play the game.

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    • AloneInMyVillage
      Posted on June 9, 2011 at 12:49am

      I know I shouldn’t play with a troll, but the temptation is too great. Trolls exist to try to suck the blood from the good people, because they are evil and need the steal our good blood to exist in their humanless form. I hope I’m not giving up too much blood to this evil troll. I need all I can spare to help rid this country of our evil President.

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  • Center right
    Posted on June 8, 2011 at 10:13pm

    RHINO< RHINO< RHINO. ha, funny guys and girls. I would for once like to read comments on hear that debated policy on its merits, but never seems to happen. Obama is in major trouble, which is good, but not if we put in an uber conservative. Cain is good, so I hope he gets in.

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  • wisehiney
    Posted on June 8, 2011 at 10:01pm

    “An ounce of sweat is worth an ocean of tears.” Agrate Repubapatriot 1776 – ?

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    • ronmorgen
      Posted on June 8, 2011 at 10:22pm

      I commend the enjoyment of life, because nothing is better for a man under the sun than to eat and drink and be glad. Then joy will accompany him in his work all the days of the life God has given him under the sun.
      Eccl 8:15

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  • ronmorgen
    Posted on June 8, 2011 at 9:53pm

    God didn’t give everyone equal worldly opportunities. We do have equal opportunity for what is really important. Truth, Love, Eternal life.

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  • llotus
    Posted on June 8, 2011 at 9:43pm

    Throw the whole mess out, cut spending to the bone, cut all intitlements 10% first year, rid the country of its educational problems (unions), stop all foriegn aid except to strong allies if needed, remove as many ilegals and CLOSE the southern US border, then drill, stop oil money from leaving our country, we need it, beef up defence, get a new administration, send all political criminals to prison, no matter who they are, jump start industry, follow the constitution, honor the constition, make it a felony to burn US flag within US borders, that goes beyond freedom of speech, I dont care who argues otherwise, make it a felony to incite violance inside US borders no matter how old and ugly they are, shut the doors on fannie and freddie, give those people in calif. water so they can raise the food we need, I`m tired of eating foreign vegetables, they are probanly nasty, who knows what they do to them before we get them, give LasVegas A little bit of a tax break, nagotiable, just a personal thought, did I say geta new administration, dont alow any chidren to go hungry, or without care when they are sick, give our service men and women a desent living, they have an honorable profession just as dr,lawyers,nurses, teachers and such. These progressives and radicals want to change this country in a negative way and we can change it to a positive change. enough from an old womans rantings, I am running out of letters below and I need to go tobed and get some rest for tomorow. Lotus.

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  • ares338
    Posted on June 8, 2011 at 9:39pm

    They will declare him king of the world. All hail mighty one!

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  • ronmorgen
    Posted on June 8, 2011 at 9:37pm

    Forcing people to buy health insurance is wrong. I don’t even use medical services. Why should I be required to buy something I won’t use. My personal health plan depends on faith, natural food, and exersize. I stay healthier this way than I would using doctors.

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    • InversionTheory
      Posted on June 8, 2011 at 9:46pm

      Hey Ron,

      I couldn’t agree more. I work in the insurance industry and I love to take care of those who follow along with the plans. Even though it might mean greater job security for me, I want you to be free to choose.

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    • ronmorgen
      Posted on June 8, 2011 at 9:57pm

      Thank you my friend. I guess the Democrats want to choose for me.

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    • IMAWAKENOW
      Posted on June 8, 2011 at 11:36pm

      I have been working in large hospital for 16 years noe and see a wide variety of patients. I also have opportunity to see how the system is abused. I personally only use the emergency room in a real emergency. I see more and more people using ER as the “free clinic” for things like a free refill on a perscription or a hot meal and air conditioning.
      I, like you, run and diet and work out almost every day. I get a yearly check up so I can catch anythin early. If we would only make EVERYONE responsible for a small % of any ER bill we could probably save 30 % of the cost of healthcare. We need some personal responsibility.

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    • Mr. Oshawott
      Posted on June 8, 2011 at 11:42pm

      @RonMorgen

      You’re absolutely RIGHT ON THE MONEY. Where in the Constitution was the federal government allowed to strong-arm us into buying any health-insurance plan? Thanks to ObamaCare, the ride to the doctor’s office will be one of sheer fright, for all of the decisions will be made not by the doctors, but the bureaucrats at Washington D.C.!

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    • wildbill_b
      Posted on June 9, 2011 at 8:51pm

      When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.”
      – French economist, statesman and author Frederic Bastiat (1801-1850)

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    • wildbill_b
      Posted on June 9, 2011 at 8:53pm

      “I can find no warrant for such an appropriation in the Constitution, and I do not believe that the power and duty of the General Government ought to be extended to the relief of individual suffering which is in no manner properly related to the public service or benefit.”
      – President Grover Cleveland vetoing a bill for charity relief (18 Congressional Record 1875 [1877]

      “I cannot find any authority in the Constitution for public charity. [To approve the measure] would be contrary to the letter and spirit of the Constitution and subversive to the whole theory upon which the Union of these States is founded.”
      – President Franklin Pierce’s 1854 veto of a measure to help the mentally ill.

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  • wisehiney
    Posted on June 8, 2011 at 9:35pm

    Now Pickle, surely you would agree that God did not create any human race inherently inferior, although I would agree with Lincoln that it was going to take time for blacks to catch up. Sad thing is, those who could have helped them – democrats – sold them out for their own selfish purposes. They are still trying to abort all of them that they can – for profit of course.

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    • The Big Pickle
      Posted on June 8, 2011 at 10:49pm

      Exactly…God created Whites in his image.

      Blacks evolved from apes.

      Thanks for agreeing with me.

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    • grannyjojo
      Posted on June 8, 2011 at 11:59pm

      @The Big Pickle….you are certainly entitled to your own opinion, however you do realize that what you are stating goes totally against the Bible and all of Jesus’ teachings, don’t you? He said for us to love one another as we love ourselves. The Bible doesn’t tell us to love one race and hate another. My Jesus wants us to hate the sin not the sinner. That is the truth and the truth is NEVER hateful. We are what we believe and the fruit of our beliefs show what type of person we are.

      Your thinking runs along the same lines that Hitler believed in and you know what happened to a whole group of people (God’s chosen people the Jews) when he was put into power and implemented his ideologies. If you consider yourself a Christian (I have no idea what you believe in) you definately need to delve deeper into the Bible and pray and ask the Lord for guidance. Whether you believe it or not, I’m not trying to change your mind, just give you a different perspective so that possibly you can discover for yourself what and why your moral ideology is what it is and if you believe you should better yourself by change.

      I pray you do decide to reconsider your belief structure and that you come away from your studies (hopefully the Bible if you do believe in the Lord) with a different perspective. In the meantime I’ll keep you in my prayers. May God bless you and impress upon you the wisdom needed for true discernment. “Every knee will bow and every tongue confess”

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    • AloneInMyVillage
      Posted on June 9, 2011 at 12:38am

      @GrannyJOJO I agree with you 100%. I hope the Big Pickle, hater of any human being other than whites, will listen to what you have said and have a change of heart. What a misinformed and hateful person. May peace come into his/her heart.

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    • AloneInMyVillage
      Posted on June 9, 2011 at 1:00am

      @Picklesnot…I tried not to stoop to your level but I can’t help it…You are a complete ignorant juvenile delinquent. Smoke your hate filled dope at home and stay away from this site.

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  • Talmid of Yeshua
    Posted on June 8, 2011 at 9:30pm

    Death to ObamaCare! May this bill be stricken from the books! I just hope the Supreme Court has it’s head on straight when it goes to them. Unfortunately, many on the Supreme Court are communist pigs.

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  • David in OKC
    Posted on June 8, 2011 at 9:26pm

    If Obama gets elected for another four years, millions of people will lose their existing health insurance. If they can’t find another suitable replacement (suitable meaning Government approved) then millions will be forced on to the government dole. This is staring us in the face right now and if we don’t stop it NOW then we have no one to blame but our selves and we can kiss our freedoms goodbye.

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    • C. Schwehr
      Posted on June 8, 2011 at 11:11pm

      Nice to see that you identified the exact plan as developed by Soros to further stress the economy and send us all tumbling into the socialist abyss.

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  • dblaess
    Posted on June 8, 2011 at 9:25pm

    jzs
    Posted on June 8, 2011 at 9:16pm
    Pickle, Thomas Jefferson wrote that “All men are created equal.” But you don’t think that way. You think blacks are subhuman, is that correct?

    Frankly I think you’re a troll, and an over-the-top one at that. But I do imagine you’ll get some support here, and no condemnations. Have fun.

    You of all people should recognize a troll trying to stir things up

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  • David, the Constitutional Libertarian
    Posted on June 8, 2011 at 9:25pm

    off topic One and done is a sure thing. So who are we going to choose for our next president? Conservative or RINO?

    on topic If the courts find this legislation is decided as constitutional, all bets are off. They then have the power to decide what I spend my money on.

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  • OhSuzieQ
    Posted on June 8, 2011 at 9:22pm

    ~nomercy63
    Posted on June 8, 2011 at 9:10pm
    all this stupid thing has done is made a mess of the nation!

    That was their plan! Come on 2012!!

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  • SHOWMESTATEGUY
    Posted on June 8, 2011 at 9:18pm

    Democracts passed this law knowing it was unconstitutional. The democracts of today do not have a high regard for the consitution. They want their agenda and if the constitution is in the way then that’s to bad. Democrats equal liberalism, equal socialism, equal communism. Folks that’s the truth.

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    • hypnos
      Posted on June 8, 2011 at 9:33pm

      What to expect from a guy who thought surgeons would rather amputate than give good medical care for diabetics, or that Pediatricians did $16000 tonsillectomies. First of all ENT surgeon do tonsillectomies not Pediatricians.

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    • Talmid of Yeshua
      Posted on June 8, 2011 at 9:33pm

      Yep, you are right on the money. Unfortunately, many Republicans are Rinos. Rino = liberal = socialist = communist.

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    • Robert Hawk
      Posted on June 8, 2011 at 10:00pm

      Unfortunately you have missed the paradigm shift. In the old days most people were of Christian doctrine and we stood along the line of Christian doctrine to the Right or Left. The right side being Zealot and the Left being liberal.

      In the 1960s and 70s there was a paradigm shift from Christian doctrine to Stoic doctrine. Most politicians of today are of Stoic doctrine the stand along the line of Stoic doctrine from the RIght to the Left. The right being Zealots such as Mr Obama and the Left being liberals such as Romney. Every now and then we see a person of Christian doctrine appear who is either Left (Liberal) or Center Left. We almost never see a Christian Zealot in politics any longer.

      So, now thee are two lines one contains all those of Stoic Doctrine which is the majority of politicians and the other contains the hand full who believe in Christian doctrine which is the minority. The majority of Americans are of Christian doctrine that is why there appears to be a great chasm between the people and the current administration. You are observing the vast difference in the doctrine of the people (Christian) and the doctrine of the democratic party (Stoic).

      A little study will get you there. You will find the Apostle Paul was engaged with these same Stoics in Acts 17 and spoke out against it in Colossians chapter 2. You can trace Stoic doctrine through Hegel, Marx & Engels, Henri Saint Simon, Darwin, and many others

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  • nomercy63
    Posted on June 8, 2011 at 9:10pm

    all this stupid thing has done is made a mess of the nation!

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  • MOLLYPITCHER
    Posted on June 8, 2011 at 9:09pm

    @ Big Pickle
    Are you an idiot? There are a lot of lazy white people too. And no matter what your color, the government has no business telling us what to buy for health care. God made all people equal, that is what America is about.

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    • hypnos
      Posted on June 8, 2011 at 9:22pm

      I think big pickle is baiting us. The post sounds a little staged.

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  • integrican
    Posted on June 8, 2011 at 8:59pm

    I am SMILING!!!!!!

    WE WILL WIN THIS FIGHT!!!!!

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  • hoopla
    Posted on June 8, 2011 at 8:56pm

    Lets hope so shall we.

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  • End The Fed
    Posted on June 8, 2011 at 8:55pm

    Thank God it’s not the ninth circuit!!

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    • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
      Posted on June 8, 2011 at 9:50pm

      Agreed, and the final outcome will rest in the Supreme Court; I just hope the case does not arrive with them and events force a split decision, then this nightmare of a government will have nothing to stop them ever.

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  • npbreakthrough
    Posted on June 8, 2011 at 8:52pm

    im sure the administration will try to delay this unitl after the election, just like theyre delaying the implementation of this legislation ,

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    • npbreakthrough
      Posted on June 8, 2011 at 8:55pm

      implementation of the mandate.

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    • Exrepublisheep
      Posted on June 8, 2011 at 9:03pm

      2012 will be interesting.

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    • LOOKING_BOTH_WAYS
      Posted on June 8, 2011 at 9:06pm

      WOW Pickle you used a better word , I’m shocked

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    • Justthefactsmam
      Posted on June 8, 2011 at 9:07pm

      All anyone has to look at is the 3000+ waivers that have been granted, that I guarantee will go away by December 2012

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    • rangerp
      Posted on June 8, 2011 at 9:13pm

      Pickle – no doubt that welfare hurts black Americans, it hurts white Americans also. Matter of fact, there are more white Americans on welfare then black. I have served side by side with black soldiers, and some are amongst the finest and most decent people I know.

      Here is a question for you. When is the last time a black person who is on welfare and lives in the projects came to your house for dinner? How about the last time you had dinner in the projects? I doubt you ever have. If you ever came down off from your throne, and interacted with such people, you might find out that you can make a difference, and help someone get their life going in the right direction. You might make a freind or two. Might even be able to invite some folks to your church, and help them for eternity. If you are not part of the solution, most likely, you are part of the problem.

      On a side note, Phineas the third high priest in the days of Moses happened to be black. Read about him, he did rather well.

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    • jzs
      Posted on June 8, 2011 at 9:16pm

      Pickle, Thomas Jefferson wrote that “All men are created equal.” But you don’t think that way. You think blacks are subhuman, is that correct?

      Frankly I think you’re a troll, and an over-the-top one at that. But I do imagine you’ll get some support here, and no condemnations. Have fun.

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    • DisillusionedDaily
      Posted on June 8, 2011 at 9:18pm

      There is a clause on pages 58 and 59 of Obaba Care that is never mentioned but I am sure is in some way unconstitutional. It states: The government will have real-time access to an individual’s bank accounts and will have the authority to make electronic fund transfers from those accounts. I don‘t know about all of you but I feel that if the government cannot balance it’s own checkbook, I definately do not want them to be able to take what little I have without at least giving me a little kiss in return!

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    • Exrepublisheep
      Posted on June 8, 2011 at 9:18pm

      The big pickle is an obvious left-wing plant. He’s probably on welfare too.

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    • Xcori8r
      Posted on June 8, 2011 at 9:19pm

      It is sad that constitutional literacy in this country has devolved to the point that an insult to the Constitution like Obamacare could ever be passed and that our courts have to think, for even a moment, that this travesty might be lawful.

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    • LOOKING_BOTH_WAYS
      Posted on June 8, 2011 at 9:20pm

      Pickle …. last week you said that you believed that Whites were created by God, and that Blacks evolved from apes. it got me thinking so here goes

      maybe Adam was Black, and Eve White. this would explain all the colors from Black to White don’t you think ? …. so what do you think ……………….

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    • Robert Hawk
      Posted on June 8, 2011 at 9:24pm

      There is not an out clause in the legislation, therefore if any of it is unconstitutional then all of it is unconstitutional. The Stoic – Marxists will put forth there best attorneys to argue their case. Only the judges can make an accurate determination based on the Law and the constitution. 26 states 52% have filed in the lawsuit against the federal law known as Obamacare. The judges must decide to side with the people or the administration and it does not look as though Mr Obama will be serving a second term. Its my guess the judges will side with the Constitution and the States on this one. We are not done yet this is simply another round. The final round will come with the Supreme Court decision.

      Now if I were a democratic – marxist strategist (and It would require a lobotomy, and some serious mind altering drugs for me to achieve that pentacle), then I would accept the defeat of the court who called the legislation (Obama care) unconstitutional and kill the legislation. Can you imagine the popularity boost killing Obama care would have for the democratic – marxist party? It would knock a huge amount of the wind out of the Republicans sails….On second though ….. Nahh!

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    • NuffSaid
      Posted on June 8, 2011 at 9:41pm

      @big pickle

      Isn’t it remarkable how much we have lost under Obama? How much he has stolen? And what we will never recover? I bless you and thank you for honesty. Agreement is not the issue. I hear words from your heart and they are loud and they are clear..

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    • dwh320
      Posted on June 8, 2011 at 9:47pm

      @Pickel – Your comment struck me a extremely racist and hateful. Then I realized it was meant to be for shock value to discredit this web site and those who enjoy it. You must be a Progressive Socialist Democrat who is undercover and attempting to pose as a conservative to discredit them by making such hateful comments. A little trick you use when you go to Tea Party events as well I bet.

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    • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
      Posted on June 8, 2011 at 9:49pm

      One thing I long to see, is when a new administration comes to power, will be if any investigations into the criminal conduct of members of this admin will happen. I honestly hope so, and if so, let it be open for all to see and review in accordance with the laws.

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    • Robert Hawk
      Posted on June 8, 2011 at 9:49pm

      To the big pickle
      Genesis 1:27 God created man in his own image… Genesis 1:31 And God saw everything that he had made and behold it was very good!. Abraham Lincoln and you are completely incorrect. All of our Fathers children can live together if we practice his laws and morals. We are all our Fathers children, he created All races and said they were Very Good.

      I don’t suggest you bash our Father,his word and his children.
      Remember revelation 20:12 ” And I saw the dead. small and great, stand before God, and the books were opened, and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to Their Works.

      Maybe you have never read Malachi 3:5 “And I will come near to you to judgement; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers,and against the adulterers, and against the false swearers, and against those who oppress the hireling in his wages….
      Those who oppress the hireling in his wages are those who use government taxation to take the hirelings wages via Stoic (Marx & Engels) doctrine. The politicians don’t get away with massive taxation against the working men and women of this country, they are judged for their works, for it is written in our Fathers word.
      Don’t stand against our Fathers children simply because of their skin color, as your work will be written in the book of life.

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    • On The Bayou
      Posted on June 8, 2011 at 9:52pm

      We can only hope that somehow the forward motion of Obama`s agenda is thrown into reverse. We haven`t seen him stopped at anything up until this point. Pray and pray often. God Bless America.

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    • The Big Pickle
      Posted on June 8, 2011 at 9:54pm

      rangerp
      Posted on June 8, 2011 at 9:13pm
      Pickle – no doubt that welfare hurts black Americans, it hurts white Americans also. Matter of fact, there are more white Americans on welfare then black. I have served side by side with black soldiers, and some are amongst the finest and most decent people I know.

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      YOU IDIOT!

      My artillery unit was 80 percent black…I lived with these people 24 hours a day and 7 days a week. That‘s why i’m qualified to make comments about the black population.

      If anybody wants to know what it’s like to be in the Army go live on the South Side of Chicago in a housing project or South Central LA.

      I prayed God to protect me from the blacks in my unit and not the enemy.

      Sorry if some of you people can’t handle this truth..but it is THE TRUTH!

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    • Gold Coin & Economic News
      Posted on June 8, 2011 at 9:56pm

      They better declare it unconstitutional, it’s about the most unconstitutional (non)law ever passed. If Obama’s health care scam stands, the Supreme Court is illegitimate.

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    • jzs
      Posted on June 8, 2011 at 9:58pm

      I am very seriously was moved to read posts here who challenged PICKLE. Looks like they removed his post too. Good job on that Blaze.

      RANGERP, great post.

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    • dwh320
      Posted on June 8, 2011 at 9:59pm

      Back to the topic. I hope the court rules Obama care is unconstitutional just as the lower court did.

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    • Sinista MACE
      Posted on June 8, 2011 at 10:01pm

      All this deeming and declaring is getting on my nerves.

      I declare that I already deemed Obamacare unconstitutional, and I have more authority than a judge, because they are my servants, and I am the sovereign.

      They are below me. I dictate from the top down to them.

      I am a citizen of the United States of America.

      We the People are the government.

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    • VanGrungy
      Posted on June 8, 2011 at 10:34pm

      the supremes should never have allowed lesser court delays..

      original jurisdiction.. pretty damn simple..

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    • The Big Pickle
      Posted on June 8, 2011 at 10:40pm

      jzs
      Posted on June 8, 2011 at 9:16pm
      Pickle, Thomas Jefferson wrote that “All men are created equal.” But you don’t think that way. You think blacks are subhuman, is that correct?

      _________________________________________________

      Thomas Jefferson only considered White people in his statement. Blacks were slaves and considered a sub speices of human so they weren’t included in the “All men created equal” clause!

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    • C. Schwehr
      Posted on June 8, 2011 at 11:01pm

      So then it is in the best interests of the people of this nation to FORCE the courts to rule on this matter as soon as possible!

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    • IMAWAKENOW
      Posted on June 8, 2011 at 11:10pm

      I’m not sure why RANGERP was making the coments he did under a story about the vote on healthcare but it did make me think. I’m not so sure if he is accurate when he said there are more whites on welfair than blacks or not. Even if that is the raw number, the last time I checked there were a lot less black people in America than white. Check the percentage and see what that tells you.
      When we cut back on entitlement programs you will get a better idea of who is crying hard times and who will pick themselves up and help themselves. I still remember Katrina.

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    • Mr. Oshawott
      Posted on June 8, 2011 at 11:26pm

      @The Big Pickle

      I find those racially-tinged statementS of yours to be ABHORRENTLY offense.

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    • The Big Pickle
      Posted on June 8, 2011 at 11:28pm

      IMAWAKENOW
      Posted on June 8, 2011 at 11:10pm

      I’m not sure why RANGERP was making the coments he did under a story about the vote on healthcare but it did make me think. I’m not so sure if he is accurate when he said there are more whites on welfair than blacks or not. Even if that is the raw number, the last time I checked there were a lot less black people in America than white. Check the percentage and see what that tells you.
      ______________________________________________

      YOU ARE CORRECT, MY FRIEND!

      Black like to spout there are more Whites on Welfare than Blacks. The truth of the matter is there are 140 million more White people in America than black people in America. There are more White everything because there are 140 million more Whites in America. That explains why there are more White serial killers, more White child molesters….everything.

      Sadly, even though there are 140 MILLION more White people in America than black people the number of blacks are the government dole is equal to Whites. That means that blacks are 6 times more likely than Whites to be on welfare.

      Learn Statistics and deal with the FACTS!

      Considering there are 6 times more Whites than blacks in America

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    • banjarmon
      Posted on June 8, 2011 at 11:34pm

      There are more rules and regulations in this 1000+ page bill that will stifle our freedoms, tax us more, and in general cause more harm than GOOD.

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    • jb.kibs
      Posted on June 8, 2011 at 11:48pm

      I pray they do.

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    • D0ntTread0nMe
      Posted on June 8, 2011 at 11:54pm

      You know what’s at stake here…? Only everything! This IS the fight… now let’s just wait and see if they do the right thing…
      http://www.mythoughtsfromthemiddle.blogspot.com

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    • AloneInMyVillage
      Posted on June 9, 2011 at 12:26am

      @Pickle Please go to your atheist/bigot blogs to spew your filth and leave the adult conversation to us people who care about America.

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    • Teaparty-grammy
      Posted on June 9, 2011 at 1:05am

      Oh, NOW I understand why Congress is just sitting up there on the Hill on their butts and making no attempt to put an end to this odious legislation–they are waiting for the COURTS to do their jobs FOR them. So many good, Conservative judges retired and/or died since ODumber was elected, and he has loaded the court with so many of his incompetenjt and leftist cronies, I’m not sure the Supreme Court will do the right thing if the opportunity is handed to them on a silver platter!

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    • TSUNAMI-22
      Posted on June 9, 2011 at 1:38am

      If they enact this unconstitutional tax upon the American people the simplest thing to do is just not pay it. If you don’t buy fuel or food from a regular outlet, you don’t pay sales tax. Why should this be any different.

      They can’t jail everyone. If they try, the country collapses from the drain on the workforce. The only problem is coordination and solidarity of conservative individuals.

      Just say NO.

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    • carnifex
      Posted on June 9, 2011 at 1:47am

      @BIGPICKLE

      If what you espouse about T.Jefferson is true, would that make him the first president that performed acts of bestiality? And if so, what does that say about his judgement? If you fear someone because of the color of their skin, you must be a very frightened individual! I would guess that if you had trouble with the black people in your unit it would be because they knew you felt such antipathy for them. The problems in the inner cities are a product of decades of Dem. pandering to the victimhood society that politicians have used for years to buy elections. Stuffing thousands of people into concrete boxes with nothing to do is going to breed antisocial behavior in any ethnicity. Most men need to have value to their lives, just having them sit around collecting welfare checks is terrible thinking. There should be work-fare instead.

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    • Uranium Wedge
      Posted on June 9, 2011 at 2:05am

      Poor Obama, that pesky constitution keeps getting in the way.

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    • No1YaKnow
      Posted on June 9, 2011 at 2:22am

      You are right NP, and they seem to have in the past been successful in stopping things that get in their way. Tyranny is here.

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    • VerySeniorCitizen
      Posted on June 9, 2011 at 6:43am

      Does anybody here remember back in the early 1940s when the Wicker vs Fulburn case was adjudicated?

      It seems that farmers who grew their own wheat to feed to their livestock were ordered to destroy that wheat and BUY what they needed on the commercial market.

      http://supreme.justia.com/us/317/111/case.html

      No one can tell me that the Federal government (in this cast the SCOTUS) can‘t require someone to buy something they don’t want to buy when they feel they want to be self-sufficient. We have precedent here!!

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    • rangerp
      Posted on June 9, 2011 at 7:51am

      @IMAWAKENOW and the little Pickle man -
      I am well aware of the statistics, and that a much higher percent of black Americans are on the welfare system. My comment was that color is not so important, the system hurts blacks, whites, and anyone else that is on it. The question is how do you fix it? Sitting back and complaining does not fix problems. Pointing fingers does not fix problems.

      I claimed on another post, Blacks do not need a system, they need a savior. After a couple hundred years of slavery, then decades of Jim Crow, and seperate but not equal, blacks did not start getting a level playing field in this nation until around the 70s. You can not expect folks do dig out of a pretty big hole with only thirty years. Add in the damage from rap music, drugs, welfare….. They have a tough row to how.

      You may be a liberal on here just trying to stir the pot and make the blaze look racist, our may actually be real, and believe the hatred that you spew. Either way, I pray that you get it figured out. Hatred will not get you far. there is a big difference between racism and realism. I do not sugar coat, and know that the black community is struggling with very high crime, abortion rates, murder rates, children born in single parent homes….. If I take some young black kids to my church, have them over for a BBQ, take them fishing….. I may make a difference in the life of a couple, and help them see a better way. Pointing fingers does nothing.

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    • rangerp
      Posted on June 9, 2011 at 8:00am

      @IMAWAKENOW

      yea, I bet my first comment on this looks a little out of place now. The little pickle man had an earlier post (it got deleted) that had little to do with the article, but had racist remarks about blacks on welfare, and some other hatred. I did not want to cut and paste his remarks into mine, as they are best just deleted.

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    • dizzyinthedark
      Posted on June 9, 2011 at 8:08am

      I would like it when the judge makes Obamacare unconstitutional he/she also add Obama/Soetoro and Michelle found to be unconstitutional. Then not only will the healthcare debacle end but so will our nightmare. Oh and more thing, while the judge is throwing things out, may I ask that the oil painting of this awful couple be thrown out too. Worst 1st family ever!!!

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    • EddardinWinter
      Posted on June 9, 2011 at 8:42am

      @ Rangerp

      I disagree with the removal of the post. I think it should remain up, as a monument to human prejudice and hatred. That being said, thank you for every other letter of your eloquent posts.

      Pickle is a lost soul, and we can only hope some event changes his(her?) perception. I do not believe this person is a plant, but actually believes that venom. Too much passion to be faked.

      @JZS

      Keep your eyes open, my friend, there are plenty of fine minds on this site (along with some knaves). Many have more in common with you than you (or they) think. Your objectivity and critical thinking are noted and appreciated. I wish they would not remove posts, no matter how offensive, cause it diminishes Rangerp’s response, which is among the finest posts I have ever seen here.

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    • love the kids
      Posted on June 9, 2011 at 8:45am

      This may actually be more about getting a federal court ruling stating that the Fed govt. Does have this much control over the population than it is about health care.
      Think about what I said if it had been carefully thought out. They first pass laws and rules that make it possible for people who can’t repay loans to get them without means of repaying them, throwing the economy into a tailspin. Clinton signed into law rules removing banking restrictions, called the Glass-Stegall act, then complian that banks need to be regulated. Then they pass the stimulous, which EVERY stimulous in history has RAISED the unemployment rate. Then with all these new people unemployed, they now worry about health insurance, giving them just enough citizen support to pass the legislation. This really pulls on heart strings of the American public. But with this all thought out in advance, it could really be used to their advantage later.
      When you have had health insurance all along, and now you find yourself without because of the economy, I know it hurts and causes fears. All you hope for is a way to get covered and will let them do anything to you right now to get covered. But they will use that to their advantage later.
      Just like the fears in the article, if this stays law, the govt. could then mandate you buy an electric car or pay a fine to “save the environment”. they could mandate the amount of electricity you have to buy from the elec company. It may be less than you need.

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    • Sinista MACE
      Posted on June 9, 2011 at 10:35am

      The Big Pickle

      You’re right about the welfare thing. I don’t think the statistics take into account how many illegals are exploiting and defrauding the system also.

      There are more whites on welfare than blacks, and they receive more benefits paid out- 38% whites to blacks 37%- with hispanics and others basically eating up the rest.

      Welfare may be a problem, but compared to CORPORATE welfare….it is INSIGNIFICANT.

      If they are’nt talking about cutting spending on the military industrial complex and corporate welfare, such as lending OUR money to banks at .0001% interest, so they can turn around and lend it to us for 14%, then I don’t want to hear about welfare to feed needy people.

      I‘ll riot with the needy and I’m not on welfare in that scenario. Give the people .0001% DIRECT loans, not BIG GIGANTIC RICH GREEDY BANKERS.

      Umph That!

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    • hud
      Posted on June 9, 2011 at 2:56pm

      But only 26 of the 57 states have come out against it.

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    • wildbill_b
      Posted on June 9, 2011 at 8:39pm

      Actually Veryseniorperson, what you have is failure of the people to understand the law in the progressive era. The Agricultural Act of 1938 section 301 is general definitions. They provide us with the scope of the act. Since we all know Congress has no legislative jurisdiction within the Exterior boundaries of any state of the Union, They used an age old trick. Deception.
      Section 301 tells us that:
      (5) The term ‘‘United States’’ means the several States and
      Territories and the District of Columbia and Puerto Rico.
      (note:it does says states of the Union,United States of America,etc, so what “States” are they referring to? They tell you in the next definition)

      (6) The term ‘‘State’’ includes a Territory and the District
      of Columbia and Puerto Rico.

      Nowhere is the 50 states of the Union included because Congress can not legislate for them. The Constitution constrains them. To get around it, they got you to all “claim” to be “US citizens” (Find that in the Constitution). A “US citizens” you are dual citizens (look the word up in any dictionary. It will say the Status of US citizens WHO reside in a “state”. Doesn’t say what “States”. It only has force over their citizens(US citizens) who “reside(nt aliens) within a state of the Union known as America. The Case is void as repugnant to the Constitution. I put up a bit more specific paper on the matter @ http://www.lojack12.com/Constitution/Citizenship.htm. Interesting read even if you do

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    • jackrorabbit
      Posted on June 12, 2011 at 1:04am

      It doesn’t matter anymore. Half of it has gone into effect, and money is already set aside for spending. Even if it gets reversed, the damage that the Health insurance industry has suffered cannot be undone. The heavy inflated cost that came with them guessing what was coming is now in the pipeline, and I can’t remember the last time health insurance went down. If this gets shot down(which is a 50/50), it just has to wait for the next stupid set of students to put in another group on the left that ram it again.

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