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Will Marijuana Legislation Impact Obama’s Re-Election?

[Editor’s note: The following is a cross post that originally appeared in CNBC.com]:

Pot and politics. You might not think they go together, but they mix like peanut butter and chocolate — especially if you have the munchies.

But in all seriousness, November isn’t just a Presidential Election — three states are voting to fully legalize marijuana. That’s right. Not medical marijuana or decriminalizing it. Full legalization could be a reality in Colorado, Oregon and Washington State.

Some experts say that Colorado stands the best chance of passage. Already, it has a well regulated medical marijuana program, and the vote on what is called “Amendment 64” could go either way.

“A million Coloradans are going to tell the federal government clearly — without any confusion — what we are voting for: That anyone over the age of 21 has access to decide what they want with marijuana,“ said Wanda James who owns ”Simply Pure”, a business that made, packaged and sold edible marijuana products. She recently suspended operations because Wells Fargo would no longer bank with her.

Even still, she is undeterred and said she’ll bring it back if the pro-pot vote wins. “The minute that I know Amendment 64 passes — and I’m fighting for that — we will bring ‘Simply Pure’ back as its own legal retail place for anyone over the age of 21.”

John Suthers, Colorado’s State Attorney General, is one of the more outspoken opponents not only of the amendment but also of medical marijuana.

“What we have in Colorado is a sham,” he told CNBC. “Very few people have medical conditions. It’s not going to be helped legalizing on a state level. It needs to be addressed on federal level.”

The issues could set up a State vs. Federal debate similar to President Obama’s health care bill, which made it all the way to the Supreme Court.

“It [a state legalizing marijuana] sets up this conflict with the federal government where all of a sudden its harder for the federal government to basically ignore — which they are doing with medical marijuana — saying we are just not enforcing the law,” said U.S. Representative Jared Polis, Democrat from Colorado –  which includes the district of Boulder.

“If it suddenly becomes fully legal and regulated, it really sets up this conflict, and it’s hard to say how that will be resolved,” added Polis.

Attorney General Suthers thinks it should not even be a state issue.

“It’s not going to be helped legalizing it on a state level while its still illegal on a federal level,” he said. “This needs to be addressed on federal level.”

Speaking of the federal level, another pot politics issue is making waves in Colorado: President Obama’s re-election bid.

In 2008, Obama won Colorado. In 2012, his numbers are slipping a bit, and some in the medical marijuana industry think Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson is the issue. Johnson, the former governor of New Mexico, is an outspoken supporter of marijuana’s legalization and regulation.

Some voters are frustrated with Obama’s drug policy which has been more passive than expected, and they might be leaning toward Johnson.

“This is going to be an issue where the President could lose the White House,” said Wanda James, who isn’t switching her vote, but isn’t happy with the man she raised money for in 2008.

After saying that, she paused and then took it a step further. “Obama will lose Colorado if he does not find a way to fix this issue.”

Pot and politics. Like peanut butter and chocolate. Like November and elections. They do go together.

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© 2012 CNBC.com, Brian Shactman.

Comments (296)

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  • AJAYW
    Posted on August 25, 2012 at 7:17am

    Someone was saying the other day that Holder is one of the biggest suppliers, wonder who else is involved with him on it..

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    • stumpy68
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 9:24am

      Is that what he got in exchange for the guns??

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    • Mizurax
      Posted on August 26, 2012 at 9:53am

      ECTECH,

      You said, ” I can‘t think of a single person I knew that didn’t start with MJ and grew into much harder substances such as meth, coke, etc. Dealers don’t generally provide ONLY one type of drug.”

      Well maybe you hung out with the wrong people. I smoke. My wife smokes. We’ve never done any of those hardcore drugs. Never had any interest. I have friends that used to smoke a lot. A couple of the tried coke once. Once. Never did it again. Maybe you should find some friends with some self control and willpower.

      And dealers don’t generally provide only one drug? That’s true if you get your weed from cracktown. It’s completely false if you get your weed from an apartment complex full of mostly college kids.

      You have some life experiences, and you’re so arrogant you think that your perspective must be the same perspective as everyone else.

      In another post you refer to alcohol. You say “those that use drugs regularly” and “those that abuse alcohol.” Like those are the same thing. Why not say “those that abuse drugs”??? Whatever man. Continue to argue your point until you’re blue in the face. It doesn’t make you more right.

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    • John54
      Posted on August 26, 2012 at 2:38pm

      Where did you read that, on the Newsmax Fake Story of the Day site ?

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    • SLAPTHELEFT
      Posted on August 26, 2012 at 7:04pm

      Having this on the ballot only serves to get the couch ridden filthy hippies to the polls.

      Won’t pass. But all the dems will be in favor of its legalization, thus our brain dead friends will run to go vote for every D on the ballot. Don’t believe me?
      Look at California.

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    • SLAPTHELEFT
      Posted on August 26, 2012 at 7:08pm

      Wanda jones is not happy with the man she raised money for in 2008 but does not intend to switch her vote.

      Wanda you’re an idiot then. Or is it because you’re black, or he’s black, or you thirst for communism?

      Get you some munchies and think about it. And don’t start a response with Dude!

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    • Deuteronomy22
      Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:28am

      The real absurdity is the prohibition of industrial hemp. That is the battle that needs fighting. It has no intoxicating effects, is drought resistant, grows like a weed and has hundreds of uses. There is absolutely no legitimate reason for stopping it from being grown.

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  • ALL-IN
    Posted on August 25, 2012 at 5:25am

    To many at the top are getting wealthy from all the drugs pouring acrossed the border. Our government only stops the drugs that come from people not participating in their program. Certain cartels are protected others are destroyed to make it look like the government is actually doing something.
    All of these years and all of the Billions of dollars poured into the so called war on drugs. Have resulted in more drugs in this country today than ever before.
    Follow the money and it will lead you to corrupt politicians. In todays world nobody turns their back on windfall profits. Honor at the highest levels of our government is no where to be found. Sure every now and then they all take a stand on some minor issue to try and project some concern. While behind the curtain they have sold their souls to the almighty dollar.
    If this country wanted the flow of drugs stopped, It would be stopped. We have a bunch of third world gangsters, out thinking the most powerful nation the world has ever seen.
    I AIN’T BUYING IT.

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    • Detroit paperboy
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 5:52am

      The most powerful illegal drug cartel in the world is the US FEDERAL CRIMINAL GOVERNMENT…..just ask the Mexicans they’re in business with………

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    • loriann12
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 6:43am

      It’s no different than the LEGAL drugs…..why would pharmaceutical companies want to put out something that would cure people, when it would mean they no longer need the drugs? Big Pharma has lots of lobbyists. I heard a quote the other day by the head of Merck, and he said he wished he could come up with a drug that healthy people need, because he can only sell to sick people. The illegal drug trade has too many people high up benefiting from it.

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    • ECtech
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 3:29pm

      I am against legalizing any drug. Obviously, for alcohol it‘s too late and prohibition didn’t work out so well (except for the Kennedy’s). I am not a drinker, but an occasional beer or glass of wine (for me) I’m fine with. I just don’t like NOT being able to think clearly.

      This is the problem with drugs, including marijuana. Regular users of drugs and abusers of alcohol generally make bad decisions because they aren’t capable of thinking clearly. It’s a fact that the thought process while under the influence of any of these substances is hindered — at best. If a person uses enough, for long enough, the brain chemistry is permanently altered.

      Therefore, I don’t see any way for legalization of drugs to actually benefit society in contrast to the harm it would do, including marijuana.

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    • black9897
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 4:05pm

      420 is NOT harmful for adults. You cannot even abuse weed, and by abuse I mean it’s not like drinking where you can drink so much where you black out; you can only get so high. Not only that, but weed doesn’t cause you to become violent or harm others. It should have never been made illegal. It was made illegal back in the 30′s due to fear and racism. the government and some rich guy who owned a big newspaper, spread propaganda about how blacks and Hispanics were giving weed to white kids and that it made you kill people. It caused panic and thus was made illegal. A big scam. It has nothing to do with “keeping us safe.” That’s PR scam.

      Another interesting fact is cocaine and heroine does not cause violent behavior in normally non-violent people.

      Btw, I have never used any drugs in my life. By drugs I’m excluding drinking.

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    • ECtech
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 4:26pm

      @BLACK9897

      Yes, it IS harmful. Besides, how would YOU even know anything about it if you haven’t done it (other than what you’ve read by MJ advocates)?

      You said:

      “Another interesting fact is cocaine and heroine does not cause violent behavior in normally non-violent people. ”

      Uhhh….what? Hell yes they do and meth is even worse. I know, I’ve been around quite a bit of people that used those substances (including meth) for long periods of time. You are simply wrong and there’s nothing wrong with that.

      BTW, if you smoke too much weed you WILL pass out — not good if you are driving at the time.

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    • American Soldier (Separated)
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 5:54pm

      @ECTECH there’s a big difference in passing out/blacking out (alcohol) and falling a sleep.

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    • ECtech
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 6:21pm

      @AMERICAN SOLDIER

      Having done all of the above, I know this. It STILL doesn’t make much difference when driving, now does it?

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    • EGsimi1776
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 6:28pm

      ECTECH, All of the current medical evidence and the research that was briefly allowed in the 70′s points to Cannabis being safe. President Nixon’s own blue ribbon panel, the Shafer Commission in 1973 recommended decriminalization of Cannabis however Nixon was intent on pushing a tough on crime agenda and basically threw the recommendations of the commission in the trash. I know people from all walks of life who smoke from time to time and lead full, active successful lives. Doctors, Lawyers, Scientists and professionals in all areas from finance and business to public safety smoke.

      What you and others of your ilk seem to do is assume that if someone is going to smoke Cannabis that they are going to do it all day long every day of the week… that’s like saying since alcohol is legal that people who may drink it will drink all day long every day of the week… we have a name for that, it is called alcoholism. Clearly we have a functioning society and I do not think the body of our population are teetotalers.

      As a small anecdote, my uncle was prescribed Cannabis by his oncologist as a last ditch effort to fight a brain tumor after all the big pharma chemicals did not work. Some initial research has shown Cannabis to promote the growth of healthy brain cells and ****** the growth of cancer. With a 6 week life expectancy they decided to give it a shot. He survived 9 months before the cancer finally won.

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    • Hugh Williams
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 6:42pm

      ECTECH
      Do you consider yourself a Tea party person? Do you support smaller less intrusive government and more personal freedom? Do you support the government forcing people to behave the way the government wants? Or do you just support the government forcing people to behave the way YOU WANT?

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    • ECtech
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 7:08pm

      @EGS

      “ECTECH, All of the current medical evidence and the research that was briefly allowed in the 70′s points to Cannabis being safe.”

      That is not true at all. However, I will grant you that there is no evidence of permanent harm when a marijuana user stops using. I know how weed is smoked. Though I don‘t smoke it and haven’t for nearly two decades; I know that the smoke is held for a MUCH longer period of time than a cig smoker holds cigarette smoke. That IS worse for the lungs than smoking a cigarette.

      It’s not that I really care about the lung issue that much (I smoke cigarettes) — I disagree with legalizing marijuana for other reasons. I believe that if you legalize it, more children and young teens will have access to it. They already have easier access due to the “pot shops”. At the very least, the implication will be that since it’s legal “it must not be that bad.” I believe that it‘s a bad thing to expose youngsters to a mind altering substance when their brains aren’t even fully developed.

      Obviously, it’s (weed) not too difficult to come by in High School; but I don’t see a reason to make access even easier.

      “What you and others of your ilk seem to do is assume that if someone is going to smoke Cannabis that they are going to do it all day long every day of the week…”

      That’s funny. You presume that I assume something by ASSUMING something. Just so you know, I suspect that I’ve rocked harder and partied harder than mos

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    • ECtech
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 7:56pm

      …than most.

      @Hugh:

      Yes, I believe that we are Taxed Enough Already and I did go to my local TEA party gathering.

      Define “behave”. We have tens-of-thousands of laws on the books that define certain “unacceptable” behaviors. I’m sure we could agree that a large number of them are necessary in order to attempt to have a “civil” society (i.e. commit a crime and you will be punished).

      Honestly, I‘m surprised at the number of so called ’conservatives’ that are for legalization of marijuana. Now, I‘m not stupid enough to think that just because something is illegal it won’t be done or can’t be obtained.

      However, my question to you is:

      “Why do you want a mind altering substance – even if temporarily mind altering – more easily available
      than it currently is?”

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    • Hugh Williams
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 8:04pm

      ECTECH
      You wrote” I believe that if you legalize it, more children and young teens will have access to it.” Alcohol and cigarettes are now legal for adults. Why do you believe that if pot is legalized it will be legal for CHILDREN and YOUNG TEENS to buy pot?????????????????????????????????????????????????
      Also I don’t smoke pot or cigarettes or drink. So you will be wasting your time calling me a doper to avoid answering my question.

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    • ECtech
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 8:19pm

      @HUGH:

      I did not say nor imply that it would be LEGAL for children or young teens. Furthermore, I would not call you a “doper” nor any other name.

      My implication was that it would be more easily accessible to children and young teens — illegally. This has proven to be to be true to some extent regarding stories I have read regarding “pot shops.”

      I was a young rebel (I know that’s hard to believe LOL). It was not difficult to obtain weed or other substances (which I DIDN’T use) at a young age. Yes, I had friends that did. I had many “party” friends as an adult too.

      You see, people tend to claim that MJ is not a “gateway drug”; however, I can‘t think of a single person I knew that didn’t start with MJ and grew into much harder substances such as meth, coke, etc. Dealers don’t generally provide ONLY one type of drug.

      My personal belief is that it would be a BAD idea to legalize ANY drug. I believe that the consequences would be far worse than the ‘benefits’ obtained.

      If you believe differently, than please provide your reasoning for this. I don’t see ANY advantage at all here that would (overall) benefit society in the long run.

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    • ECtech
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 8:47pm

      I’ll check this thread tomorrow, but Darksiders II is calling me and isn’t going to play itself.

      Goodnight.

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    • American Soldier (Separated)
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 11:23pm

      @ECTECH when I was in highschool, I was able to get weed much easier than alcohol. Why? The clerk at the 7-11 asked for ID. The drug dealer doesn’t care. He‘ll sell it to a 10 year old if they’ve got the money. Legalize it, slap an age requirement on it, and it’ll be as difficult to get as alcohol.

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    • American Soldier (Separated)
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 11:27pm

      ECTECH

      Gateway Drug Argument: It’s because the drug dealer wants to up sell you on harder, more addictive and more expensive drugs. Take the drug dealer out of the equation, allow it to be behind the counter where the cigarettes are, and what’s the problem? The clerk doesn’t care to up sell you some cocaine when you try to buy your pack of weed sigs.

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    • black9897
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 11:33pm

      @E

      No it’s not. It’s called research. It’s called having a 4 year criminal justice degree with a minor in psychology.

      Check out the book “criminal behavior: a psychological approach” –Bartol. It gives a lot of info about drugs. In it, it explains that they do NOT cause violent behavior. Don’t believe the lies the government or media tells.

      Even if that’s true, I never claimed someone should smoke while driving. In the same way I wouldn’t think it’s good to drink and drive.

      The lies about drugs have been around for a long time. People have a fear of them that is rooted in lies.

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    • black9897
      Posted on August 26, 2012 at 12:03am

      @E

      I used to be the same way, a very strong advocate of “drugs are bad, even pot and should never be legalized.” Until I actually educated myself. Not just the fact that pot is not only harmless, it has a lot of health benefits, but the fact that it’s morally wrong for a group of men and women to violently throw someone in a cage for simply possessing weed, or smoking it. It’s absurd. The only reason this happens is because we allow it to happen. They allow themselves to be controlled by fear instead of looking at the facts It‘s part of their reality that’s rooted into them so much, when it’s challenged they lash out emotionally. I have never been attacked by one, or seen one act violent.

      Contrary to popular belief holding that drugs, or at least pot should be legal isn’t “liberal” it’s just someone who wants more freedom and less violent control over their own body.

      Btw, I wasn’t trying to come across as cocky or a know it all by stating I have a college degree. I just didn’t want you to think I was some drug loving hipster who stumbled out of the woods.

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    • KidCharlemagne
      Posted on August 26, 2012 at 12:27am

      ECtech
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 7:08pm
      I believe that if you legalize it, more children and young teens will have access to it.
      =========================================

      Organized crime doesn’t check ID……they currently sell to ANYBODY regardless of age.

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    • EGsimi1776
      Posted on August 26, 2012 at 1:12am

      ECTECH, I am not talking about health issues from smoking it, never mind that the damage from Cannabis smoke has never been proven or even strongly inferred and all cases of serious damage to the lungs are in the lungs of tobacco smokers. But since it is so important to you take the smoking it part out of the equation, use a vaporizer, or bake it into edibles; smoking it is only one method.

      The government should have no say in what citizens do in the privacy of their own home or property unless it infringes on the liberty and rights of others. Time to shrink the size, scope and power of government and this is as good a place to start as any when working on the power part… I would address your other points but others are doing a stand up job on that front.

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    • ECtech
      Posted on August 26, 2012 at 6:30am

      @AMERICAN SOLDIER

      When I was in High School, I could get alcohol just as easily. I guess it depends on who you knew. Actually, I‘ve known several drug dealers and they weren’t like you describe. The ones I’ve known are very cautious people, for obvious reasons. I‘m guessing that you’ve never really known any dealers (am I wrong?) if you think they would just sell to anybody — especially young children. Other than being drug dealers, they are not stupid people and are very cautious about being caught by the law.

      Yes, there are some stupid dealers (I’ve seen “COPS” also). However, most people (if they are smart) aren’t going to buy from some random guy on a street corner. The dealers I knew would “make the rounds” and deliver to people THAT THEY KNEW.

      Furthermore, weed is actually MORE expensive than the other drugs — especially at “pot shops”.

      I find it funny that people actually think that the drug dealers and cartels will “go away” if weed is legal. In actuality, these same dealers and cartels supply a lot of “product” to these shops. Do you really believe they are able to grow all of these different strains in their backyard? They sure do seem to have quite a selection according to videos I’ve seen on the news of the local shop here.

      As for the local pot shop here…continued in the next post.

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    • ECtech
      Posted on August 26, 2012 at 6:57am

      @AS (continued)

      Yes, in the small town I live in we have a pot shop. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that “hey — at the shop I can only sell to people with a medical marijuana card — but at home I can sell to ANYONE!”

      You see, the owners of this shop used to live a few houses down on my street, until the person that rented his home to them figured out what was going on. He kicked them out. I don’t know where they live now, but I suspect that their ‘off the books’ sales are still quite good. Of course this doesn’t mean that everyone would do this, but it begs the question “why wouldn’t they?”

      I understand that many people here seem to think that pot shops are a good thing or that legalization would eliminate the cartels (etc.), but it won’t. It‘s very easy to get a ’medical marijuana’ card. We have “doctors” here that advertise in the local papers.

      In reality, there are very few people that have illnesses that would benefit from medical marijuana. VERY few. It’s common sense that this system is being abused as an easy way to recreational pot use.

      The reason I am against it is because I don’t believe that we need EVEN more people under the influence of mind-altering substances. The pot shops already make it easier. Legalization would make it even easier than it is now and have very little effect (other than price adjustments) on the suppliers and drug cartels.

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    • ECtech
      Posted on August 26, 2012 at 7:24am

      @BLACK9897

      Yes; research is a good thing. I’ll see if I can find an ebook version of the book you mentioned for my Kindle Fire. I’m curious to see how the author can come to such conclusions.

      I believe the author is wrong. But, then again, I‘m only going by my own personal experiences of people I’ve known for years.

      Do YOU believe the author? Really? ALL humans are capable of violent behavior. I have known quite a few people that used hard drugs for years. It changes them. It makes them MEAN and prone to “snap” at the slightest provocation. They become violent for no reason at all.

      Meth is the main cause here, but I have seen it from coke and heroin users as well. These drugs do serious damage to the psyche AND can cause permanent changes to brain chemistry.

      If you can find it, you should look for a video called “Change your brain, change your life” by Dr. Daniel Amen. He covers permanent brain damage by drugs using actual brain scans. He also attempts to find ways to treat these conditions.

      These substances are far from harmless and can, in fact, cause permanent brain damage. It appears that marijuana does not cause any permanent long term affects (which is good), but its short-term effects are pretty detrimental.

      I think that the last thing we need in society is more people out of touch with reality. We have enough liberals as it is.

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    • Hugh Williams
      Posted on August 26, 2012 at 7:37am

      ECTECH
      Here is a comment I posted to this story responding to another comment.
      The extremist are showing themselves with this story. At the Huff Post the leftist don’t mind advocating things they personally don’t like being forcibly stopped. Things such as gun ownership, earning more money than they think you should have, etc. But there is no shortage of this thought and behavior buy the self proclaimed small government conservatives here at The Blaze. The right is just as quick as the left to applaud they government putting its jack boot on the throat of anyone behaving in any manner they don’t approve of. The irony is the leftist admit they want a big government nanny state with the government telling them exactly what to do from birth to death. The conservatives say they want personal freedom and a smaller less intrusive government. But in reality they love it when the government forcibly enforces the morals they support and agree with. Please try and explain how you are different than the leftist you so disagree with.
      P.S. I may wear tye dye but I am not a stoner or even a drinker. I just don’t believe people should be free to only do the things I agree with and like.
      Of course I believe we need laws to be a civil society but there are way too many laws at all levels of the government. One example of a stupid law here in Tennessee it is illegal to give away dairy products. I don’t mean that it is illegal for dairy farms to give away extra milk etc. It is ill

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    • ECtech
      Posted on August 26, 2012 at 7:57am

      @EGS

      It’s difficult to quantize the effects of marijuana on the lungs because most people that smoke MJ also smoke cigarettes.

      “The government should have no say in what citizens do in the privacy of their own home or property unless it infringes on the liberty and rights of others. ”

      The big issue here is the “unless”. Drug usage does infringe on the liberty and rights of others. The drugs come from somewhere and most of the time it’s from an illegal supplier. These cartels have no problem killing anyone that may stand in their way and if you believe that legalization will stop them; then you are sadly mistaken. Legalization would simply expand their operations.

      If you believe that the public EVER gets all the facts in criminal prosecution cases, you are simply wrong. I have family members in law enforcement. I personally know some of the detectives involved in the Michael Jackson molestation case. They (and I) know some details that never made it to the public (yes, he did it, BTW).

      Although I respect your opinion (and everyone else’s here); I don’t believe that most of you understand the consequences that would come as a result of drug legalization.

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    • ECtech
      Posted on August 26, 2012 at 8:19am

      @HUGH

      Greetings again. Personally, I just can’t bring myself to read HuffPo.

      I do agree with you that less government in our lives is a good thing. However, I still don’t believe that legalizing drugs (even marijuana) would be a good thing nor would it benefit society in any way.

      I should know, I was involved in the lifestyle for quite a few years. For one thing, weed is MUCH more potent than it was in the 70′s. People under the influence of it these days are really impaired. Certainly if they are used to it, it doesn’t have as much of an effect. However, the stuff these days is quite powerful.

      Now, it’s bad enough that I have to deal with idiot drivers on the freeway (speed limit is 75 here, BTW); but I’d rather not deal with idiot stoned drivers at the same time. But, these stoners would NEVER drive on the freeway would they? Yeah, just like people that drive drunk although the DUI checkpoint has been announced all week.

      I believe that many of you here advocating drug legalization (or just MJ legalization) are really missing the full picture here. Perhaps you just don’t have experience in the drug lifestyle. Perhaps you believe that legalization would solve what you perceive to be problems with the system.

      My personal experience with this lifestyle says that you are wrong. I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.

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    • Mizurax
      Posted on August 26, 2012 at 9:59am

      ECTECH,

      You said, ” I can‘t think of a single person I knew that didn’t start with MJ and grew into much harder substances such as meth, coke, etc. Dealers don’t generally provide ONLY one type of drug.”

      Well maybe you hung out with the wrong people. I smoke. My wife smokes. We’ve never done any of those hardcore drugs. Never had any interest. I have friends that used to smoke a lot. A couple of the tried coke once. Once. Never did it again. Maybe you should find some friends with some self control and willpower.

      And dealers don’t generally provide only one drug? That’s true if you get your weed from cracktown. It’s completely false if you get your weed from an apartment complex full of mostly college kids.

      You have some life experiences, and you’re so arrogant you think that your perspective must be the same perspective as everyone else.

      In another post you refer to alcohol. You say “those that use drugs regularly” and “those that abuse alcohol.” Like those are the same thing. Why not say “those that abuse drugs”??? Whatever man. Continue to argue your point until you’re blue in the face. It doesn’t make you more right.

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    • Hugh Williams
      Posted on August 26, 2012 at 10:12am

      ECTECH
      I accept that we should agree to disagree. But I would like to thank you for the discussion. It seems that fewer and fewer people will engage in actual discussion at sites on line. I look forward to having more debates with you in the future here at The Blaze.

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    • black9897
      Posted on August 26, 2012 at 12:27pm

      @E

      I do believe them. They have looked at the research and have come to a valid logical conclusion. True, however the majority don’t go around acting violent. Like me or you. We want to live at peace with others.

      I don’t doubt drugs harm your own body, and I would never ever tell someone or encourage others to use drugs. I’m mainly talking about pot (taking it one step at a time). But which came first? Were these bad violent people who then used drugs? Or just normal guys who then used? It’s not 100% clear, but I think the people (at least most) were already bad and or criminals who then used.

      I just have to ask myself is this “drug war” working. And has it created more problems than it’s supposed to solve. I think it’s pretty clear it’s not working.

      While we may disagree about drugs causing violence, it’s very evident that most of the violence comes from the black market. See, in a free market where things are legal if someone wrongs you, you can then sue them, call the cops (take legal action) in a black market however if someone wrongs you the only thing you can do to right the wrong is use violence. It’s the “clean hands doctrine” courts won’t help you if you were doing something illegal.

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    • EGsimi1776
      Posted on August 26, 2012 at 1:31pm

      ECTECH I respectfully disagree, we have seen what happened after the first prohibition, the cost of alcohol was through the roof and organized crime was making a fortune. Now with the second prohibition we see the same thing. There is no evidence to support that the results will not be similar when we end the current prohibition. I can say that in California most of the Cannabis sold in dispensaries is grown here in CA plus those with a green thumb and a license grow their own and do not go to dispensaries.

      There is evidence that smoking Cannabis is not nearly as bad for you as smoking tobacco. Those who are studied who only smoke cannabis do not have any significantly decreased lung function or increased rates of cancer compared to the general population of non-smokers. However more study needs to be done before any real conclusions are made.

      At this time I think it is safe to say that we will have to agree to disagree and I thank you for a courteous discussion.

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    • ECtech
      Posted on August 26, 2012 at 1:43pm

      @MIZURAX

      You start out your post by quoting me in an attempt to prove me wrong (I presume). Instead, you actually ended up proving one of my points for me. Perhaps you should re-read your post because it screams “I’m NOT thinking clearly!”

      As far as hanging out with the wrong people — yes, I did. However, that was quite a few years ago. Then you ADMIT that you and your wife smoke weed. Followed by a statement on self control and willpower. Do you NOT see the irony here?

      My question to you is:

      “WHY do you (and your wife) smoke pot?” Have you ever stopped to ask yourself that question?

      OK, moving on — you said:

      “And dealers don’t generally provide only one drug? That’s true if you get your weed from cracktown. It’s completely false if you get your weed from an apartment complex full of mostly college kids.”

      So…do you think those college kids grow their own weed to sell in their apartments (which would require quite a bit of plants and growing space) OR do you think they get it from somewhere else? The next time you buy weed from them (that’s what you implied) why don’t you ask them if they can get coke or meth? I‘m willing to bet that they can and they damn sure aren’t producing it themselves.

      Arrogant? That’s amusing. Of course, I don’t expect others to think the same way I do. However, in this thread, I am attempting to get people to think about this topic a little deeper and perhaps change a few minds.

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    • ECtech
      Posted on August 26, 2012 at 2:07pm

      @EGS and HUGH

      I agree that we can agree to disagree and thankyou to all in this debate :)

      Honestly, I think the pollution from vehicle exhausts while sitting in stopped traffic (with the windows down) is worse for your lungs than smoking anything. Don’t get my wrong, I’m not a “greenie.”

      My intent here on this topic is to get people thinking about this issue a little more — from someone that has a lot of experience with the drug lifestyle. I‘m not proud of it and it’s in my distant past; but I’ve learned from what I consider to be huge mistakes. There is much more to it than just “hey — legalize it, everything will work out just fine.”

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    • ECtech
      Posted on August 26, 2012 at 2:34pm

      @BLACK9897

      I didn’t forget about you, it just takes a while to get all these replies in. Guess I ignited a “firestorm” eh?

      I understand your points, but I still have to disagree based on life experience. It has been my observation that people using hard drugs over long periods of time really change for the worse. Of course, THEY don’t see it, they think they are acting normally.

      I do agree with you that personality is a factor. Someone that has never been violent is not as likely to become violent. However, I have seen the nicest people transform into angry, mean, completely irrational people over time. They are not necessarily violent, but you sure wouldn’t want to be around them very much. They tend to “snap” at the slightest little thing that you or I would just laugh off.

      Of course, weed is a different story. Most weed smokers are not violent, they just tend to forget everything you tell them 5 minutes later.

      I would really be interested if someone here could tell me the BENEFITS to society of legalizing drugs or even just marijuana. I don‘t believe that’s going to happen; because there appears to be NO BENEFIT at all to legalizing these substances.

      Good day.

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    • ECtech
      Posted on August 26, 2012 at 2:53pm

      Here’s a great video that I mentioned in another post. It’s Dr. Daniel Amen “Change your brain, Change your life”. There are 7 parts to it (I have it on DVD :)). It covers the effects of injury and drugs on the brain. It’s fascinating. Please watch this, it’s very eye-opening.

      Part one:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRpBUdcKAZY&feature=related

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    • black9897
      Posted on August 26, 2012 at 2:59pm

      Oh, understandable. Lots of posts to get to.

      Well, I don’t think there has to be “benefits” so far as all these good things will happen. For me it has a lot to do with “it’s none of your business what I do with my body.” However I can give you some.

      One, it would rid the streets of violence (at least most) due to the whole black market thing I explained.

      Two, it would allow police agencies to focus more on REAL crimes. Such as rape, murder..things that violate others rights.

      Three, it would free up A TON of space in our jails and courts. Most people in jail are there for non-violent drug use and or possession. Thus, making it easier for real crimes to be dealt with.

      Four,and this goes back to the violence. Drug dealers and cartels would have no power anymore, which in turn would eliminate most of the violence.

      Five, there are many medical benefits for of using it. If you have some illness or problem that weed greatly helps with you won’t be violently thrown In jail for wanting to simply get medical relief. Places such as VA where I live weed is 100% illegal, no matter what.

      Cont….

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    • black9897
      Posted on August 26, 2012 at 3:05pm

      …Cont..

      Six, if we truly want to help others who do have legit drug problems then we need to do what works, and while the threat of jail or going to jail might scare some, it doesn’t help those who need help. Simply throwing someone behind bars doesn’t fix their problem. The drug war is simply a band aid, and can even cause more harm.

      Seven, this is something most overlook. Freedom. Our freedoms are tied together; you take away one the others are easy to attack. Carrying a gun might be something you want to protect, but if you stand for one freedom you must stand for all. Not that I’m suggesting PCP be legal, due to the fact it actually causes people to become crazy violent.

      I’ll check that link out. Since we are posting links I have one for you. “Guns and Weed”

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICWQ6AGWb_M

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    • ECtech
      Posted on August 26, 2012 at 3:17pm

      Greetings again BLACK9897.

      So…your points (at the moment) mostly have to do with the drug penalties involved in the legal system.

      I can agree with you here. I believe that they are too harsh. I also believe that drug users need some form of medical treatment. This is another reason why I think that legalization is the wrong choice — even if it is only for marijuana.

      You see, I believe that people that use drugs (including MJ) are self-medicating. I believe there are deeper issues involved here. Unfortunately, people that use drugs have yet to realize that they are merely delaying dealing with the true issues in life that they have.

      I‘m not a ’shrink’, I just play one on message boards. :)

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    • Hugh Williams
      Posted on August 26, 2012 at 3:22pm

      BLACK9897
      Great post! Well thought out and articulated.

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    • Hugh Williams
      Posted on August 26, 2012 at 3:45pm

      ECTECH
      I understand your stance against legalizing drugs but do you see how people on the left and right are similar when it comes to Government enforcing behavior as long as they agree with it? I have a legal carry permit but, there are millions of leftist that want the government to revoke that Constitutional right. They have no problem with the government controlling behavior if they don’t like that behavior. I think I would be safe to say most conservatives are against legalizing prostitution. What business does the government have in this behavior? If an adult female wants to trade her company for money why is it the governments business? Most people on the right have no problem with the government controlling this behavior. I am not trying to engage in a discussion about prostitution or the 2nd Amendment. I want to discuss how both the left and right want to use the power of the government to force behavior they approve of.

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    • KidCharlemagne
      Posted on August 26, 2012 at 3:53pm

      ECtech
      Posted on August 26, 2012 at 6:57am
      I understand that many people here seem to think that pot shops are a good thing or that legalization would eliminate the cartels (etc.), but it won’t.
      ====================================

      Then how come the cartels aren’t currently smuggling Budweiser across the border into the U.S. then??

      If what you say is actually true, then we should be seeing daily news accounts of cartels having their loads of Budweiser seized by law enforcement, but yet this is not the case……

      Why is that?

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    • black9897
      Posted on August 26, 2012 at 4:25pm

      @E

      That’s part of it. Even if MJ were the only legal drug the rest of the drug laws would need to be waay less harsh. A lot of people who actually want help (and that’s how anyone gets off drugs, is when they truly want it themselves) are so afraid to ask because it’s illegal. I think by lifting that you’d have those who want it coming out and asking.

      I certainly agree to that they are self-medicating. People use drugs and drinking, sex, for self-medicating all the time. As a God-fearing man I think this is where the church needs to step in big time. Get government out of our lives and let the church do its job. That way you can actually get to the issue and fix it, instead of giving them a temporary solution.

      Throw a man in jail and you’ll fix him for a day, change a man’s heart and you’ll fix him for a lifetime.

      Haha. No, you bring up a good point.

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    • black9897
      Posted on August 26, 2012 at 4:43pm

      Oh, I wanted to give you a direct quote from the book I mentioned (so you wouldn’t think I was just making it up). If you got the money I’d buy it..not just for the chapter on drugs but it has a lot of other great stuff in there as well. It’s an authoritative source, granted it’s only one book, but nothing hurts in having books on different opinions.

      This is talking about pot only.

      “…there is no solid evidence to indicate that cannabis contributes to or encourages violent or property crime……..in fact there is evidence to suggest that cannabis users are less criminally or violently prone under the influence of the drug than users of other drugs…..there is also no supportive data that cannabis is habit forming to the point where the user must get a “fix” and will burglarize or rob to obtain funds to purchase the drug.” (Bartol, chapter 16, page 491).

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  • Wat Tyler
    Posted on August 25, 2012 at 5:18am

    I wonder if, during prohibition, when there was a story about legalizing alcohol, the story began with a stupid joke about some drunk stumbling around?

    I think the pot thing is because throughout the twentieth century marijuana has somehow been considered “naughty”…And worthy of scorn and ridicule by……..drunks.

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    • A.D.Hominem
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 6:10am

      Pshaw! Listen to the thin skinned stoner, whiny little loner thinks he’s “naughty” – and no, you’re not worthy – and yes, I’m drunk. Pshaw!

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    • sligresda
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 3:14pm

      Take that back! I‘m a drunk and I don’t smoke pot. I fully support legalization of marijuana. It won’t be legalized though, there is a HUGE industry based on the fact that pot is illegal. Court ordered probation (big fees), outpatient and aftercare programs based on dirty UA’s (big bucks), pricey evaluations to detect addiction to marijuana (come on!), costly traffic offenders programs (now licenses are involved), lawyers fees, court fees, fees, fees, fees! It’s completely ridiculous. And if you don’t have any money to pay for some of this stuff, that is OK, the state will pay because that way you get put into a state system and they can then track you…..no joke I worked for an agency like this, if you took funds from the state you are essentially required to give up any information they want from you…income, any and all episodes of mental health or drug/alcohol care, job info, family members, HIGH SCHOOL attended, the amount of info the state collects on you is mind numbing. Never get caught in the state system.

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    • ECtech
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 3:38pm

      The post above mine is a good example of distorted thinking. A drunk? Your post reads like it.

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    • sligresda
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 3:55pm

      @ E. what is it that you find so objectionable? that i dont agree with you? that there is lots of money involved in pot being illegal? that when you get involved w/ the DOC because you got busted with pot you are required to give the government tons of unnecessary info about yourself? if anyone could use a joint to lighten up, it would be you. what a stick in the mud you must be.

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    • ECtech
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 4:15pm

      @sligresda

      Sorry if I was a bit rude, but, you see, I have a LOT of experience with this topic (I was young once). It may not SEEM like your thinking regarding this isn’t very clear, but I noticed several things:

      1) If you work, the state (and feds) already have information about you. It isn’t very difficult to connect family members because they also have this information. If you rent or own a home they can very easily get information about where you live.

      2) It has been my experience that you MUST pay all court fees, fines, etc. They do not ever cover them.

      3) It’s very easy to get away with driving under the influence of marijuana. A little visine and a breath mint and you are good to go. As long as you don’t act like an idiot when pulled over or SMELL like weed, the officers generally won’t notice or suspect.

      BTW, this is me (picture is about 6 years old but I still look the same):

      http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/RedRocker/Strat2.jpg

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    • Mizurax
      Posted on August 26, 2012 at 9:59am

      You know what’s distorted thinking, ECTECH?

      Saying “people that use drugs regularly” and “people that abuse alcohol” as if the two are equivalent. Your opinion is that no one case use drugs “regularly” without abusing them? That‘s what you’re saying there. Well I‘m sorry that you and those that you know don’t have the self control to not abuse drugs. But some of us do. Don’t tell me weed needs to be illegal because you and yours might abuse it.

      But yea. Keep thinking you think sooooo clearly.

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    • ECtech
      Posted on August 26, 2012 at 3:20pm

      @MIZ

      I already addressed you in the other post. Please continue the discussion there so I don’t have to search for replies.

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  • Wat Tyler
    Posted on August 25, 2012 at 5:11am

    Another marijuana story with a cornball pot joke…It’s so cliche…and stupid.

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    • marybethelizabeth
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 5:23am

      What is not cliche is it looks like the a couple of US Embassy employees involved in the drug trade were shot outside of Mexico City.

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    • Toltepeceno
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 11:50am

      marybethelizabeth Proof they were involved in the drug trade? Or are you just jacking your jaws?

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    • Toltepeceno
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 12:02pm

      I live less than 2 hours from cuernavaca (wich is in the state of morelos, not part of mexico city) and have seen nothing to claim they are in the drug trade.

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  • universalphilos
    Posted on August 25, 2012 at 3:40am

    Spiritual guidance, August 25, 1978: “As it has been said before, a little wine is good for the stomach, a lot should damage the whole body. We should say unto you on the marijuana subject, that each time you bring forth unto your body this substance, it is not just man’s law you have broken, but God’s, who says, ‘THY SHALL BRING NOTHING INTO THY BODY THAT SHOULD BE HARMFUL UNTO IT.’
    But you should also take into consideration the vultures that you are feeding by buying this substance at this time, the vultures which leech upon mankind. The time shall come when this of the marijuana shall be legalized. There shall always be those who shall abuse the use of this and pay for it, not only themselves, but their families; their children, their mothers, their fathers, their brothers, their sisters, and their friends shall pay the highest price.
    At this time we shall say unto you, there are many who should use this money to farther build your Communist empires, where they are not allowed the worship of God. In this manner you shall feed the hand of the Anti-Christ.”

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    • Wat Tyler
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 5:19am

      Thank you, preachy…Holier than thou…

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    • mostly ignored
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 6:26am

      “And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.” Genesis 1:12.

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    • All Pro
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 8:13am

      Mark 7:15
      There is nothing outside a person that by going into him can defile him, but the things that come out of a person are what defile him.

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    • KidCharlemagne
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 8:56am

      “The reign of tears is over. The slums will soon be a memory. We will turn our prisons into factories and our jails into storehouses and corncribs. Men will walk upright now, women will smile and children will laugh. Hell will be forever for rent.”

      Reverend Billy Sunday delivered this quotation during a speech at the beginning of prohibition. Many people believed and hoped that prohibition would make the above true. However, as they watched and waited, they realized that nothing was improved, and somehow, things had gotten worse.

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    • kindsoul
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 9:05am

      Marijuana isn’t harmful to the body, Alcohal is harmful.

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    • Max jones
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 9:48am

      I can see you know very little about pot, and less about the grace of God.

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    • Max jones
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 10:10am

      previous post meant for universal philos

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    • Lloyd Drako
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 12:37pm

      Way too many “shalls” and “untos.” Why the portentous King James language when we live in the age of Prince Harry? If you talk that way, you must get a lot of funny looks, or worse.

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  • Fenrirsulfr
    Posted on August 25, 2012 at 2:51am

    Marijuana is readily available everywhere, if you don’t think so you are simply delusional.
    For those who worry about “stoned drivers” committing any number of heinous acts behind the wheel, and running amok, they aren’t now, and they are out there.

    Whether you like it or not, people worldwide consume marijuana, and will continue to do so regardless of any “prohibition” or laws to the contrary.

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    • SCREW-WINDOWS
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 6:37am

      And many people are asking what part of illegal don’t they understand.
      Personally I think drug dealers should be shot as they only have one purpose “Decay of Society”.

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    • SCREW-WINDOWS
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 10:35am

      Such a witty reply what are you 12 or suffering from drug depressed maturity.

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    • dcx10music
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 2:57pm

      FENRIRSULFR is completely correct. If the goal of the war on drugs is to stop people from using drugs and save our society from degeneracy, not only has it failed miserably, it’s failed at the cost of HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS. Fiscal conservatism can apparently be thrown aside when it comes to saving the world from all those horrible non-violent criminals, eh?

      @ Screw Windows:

      Are you seriously advocating the execution of drug dealers in the name of “saving our society?” Are you in favor of executing fast food restaurant managers? Porn magazine editors? TV and movie company executives? They’re all producing bad stuff that leads to the “degeneration of our society.” Does your self-righteous, obnoxiously sanctimonious desire to “save our society” extend to them as well? What other kinds of nonviolent offenders fall under your umbrella of needing to have their lives terminated?

      PS – I’ve never consumed an illegal drug in my life, I don’t watch or read pornography, and I generally avoid TV and movies like the plague – although I must admit I’m a sucker for a Five Guys burger every now and then.

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  • rpaguirigan
    Posted on August 25, 2012 at 1:24am

    I am all for legalizing marijuana for five (5) main reasons:

    1. It will generate millions of dollars in tax revenue for states
    2. It is a natural, low-cost and effective medicinal herb that may replace synthetic, expensive pharmaceutical drugs
    3. It will significantly reduce or even eliminate the black market for weed grown domestically or smuggled into the U.S. from foreign countries thus making the illegal drug trade less lucrative which should translate to a significant drop in drug-related violence
    4. If people are using natural and cost-effective weed, it stands to reason that they won’t need Big Pharma’s products which are dangerous chemical concoctions
    5. It will free up and/or redirect resources currently being wasted on ineffective eradication and law enforcement efforts.

    However, the legalization of marijuana will not happen yet for one BIG reason:

    1. Despite the sensible arguments for legalization (Yes, sensible and I’ve heard all the slippery slope and irrational ‘sky is falling’ arguments) and the fact that marijuana would generate millions for the States, the bottom line is that marijuana competes with Big Pharma’s products and the federal government will make every effort to ensure that the latter’s cash cow status is preserved at all costs. Cronyism is alive and well within FDA and the drug lobby after all.

    Self-preservation? Perhaps, but it would not be wise for Obama to touch this issue and he wont…

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    • Winedude
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 2:19am

      I agree with you almost 100%. However, I think the tax revenue numbers are greatly overstated. I do a bit of gardening myself and I can tell you that ANYONE can grow this weed. To get super high quality like some of the strains grown indoors for the Med. Marijuana Dispensaries and delivery services is significantly more difficult but to just grow something somewhat better than average found on the street is a snap. People aren’t going to want to pay the taxes if they can grow the stuff themselves…it’s patently easy now!

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    • mrmarkjohnson
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 4:42am

      You’re wrong on every point.

      1. Any gained tax revenue will be vastly outweighed by treament programs, increased food stamps, and increased disability fraud. Plus, who’s going to buy weed that gets taxed if they can grow it for free? It will cost more money than it raises.

      2. LOL. Phamaceutal drugs are targeted for specific areas and specific illnesses. There is no one cure all drug for anything and it certainly isn’t marijuana. Just because there‘s abuses in pharmaceutals doesn’t mean legal weed is the answer. Plus, all except the biggest addicts stop using pharms when their prescritions run out. People who start smoking weed rarely completely stop.

      3. Again, LOL! Unless the price of weed is less than $5/ounce, the market for illegal weed will stay the same or get bigger. If the state’s charging $100/ounce, drug dealers will charge $50/ounce and do great!

      4. There are many different pharmaceutal drugs designed to do many different things. The FDA, New England Journal of Medicine, and multi-million dollar studies have proved pharmaceuticals safe, but you think you‘re smarter than all of them saying that they’re harmful and weed’s good. If a drug is harmful, it is made illegal.

      5. Drug use rates are directly proportional to law enforcements efforts. When law enforcement (or political and cultural emphasis) eases up, drug use increases. You could free up a lot of law enforcement resources by refusing to enforce robberies, but theft increas

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    • mostly ignored
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 6:52am

      “proved pharmaceuticals safe” you mean like propecia.. the hair growth medicine that may give you anal leakage, heart attack, or stroke? or darvocet.. the painkiller.. that the fda determined “may increase the risk of heart problems and other potentially life-threatening injuries, such as suicide and overdose” or how about protonix.. the acid reflux medicine that may actually cause you to test false positive for THC (marijuana) says so right here: http://labeling.pfizer.com/showlabeling.aspx?id=135 look under drug interactions page 1.

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    • Gonzo
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 8:17am

      If alcohol is legal (which it is) there is absolutely no valid argument against legalizing pot. Budwiser is a bigger ‘gateway drug’ than pot.

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    • Max jones
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 9:59am

      Dr. Johnson….Your description of the societal effects of using weed sounds more like the description of alcohol or heroin use…just ain’t true. I would bet that there are several normally functional people that you have dealings with every day, that are tokers.

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    • rpaguirigan
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 12:10pm

      MRMARKJOHNSON:

      I appreciate your thoroughness in providing statistics that seemingly conveniently refute and/or contradict my points and bolster yours. However, my assertions are based on logic, unbiased reasoning and common sense while yours are based on “extensive”, “thorough” and “independent” and here’s the biggie–“OBJECTIVE” studies I’m sure.

      Perhaps if you provided some facts instead of overzealous assumptions based on faulty reasoning and statistics from unreliable sources I may be able to take you seriously and then we can have some constructive dialogue. However, at this point you sound like a drug company puppet so I won’t even entertain that notion.

      Lastly, why no retort to my last paragraph wherein I mentioned cronyism amongst the FDA and the drug lobby? Cat got your fingers?

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    • FREEDOMoverFEAR
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 3:08pm

      LOL I own a hydroshop and have been involved with marijuana for over 16 years. The marijuana community (the ones growing and selling it, money makers) doesn‘t want to legalize it becauase they don’t want the Government involved. The majority of people I know who want it legalized are non users or casual users. Trust me the price of Marijuana will go up if it’s legalized. Most people growing it now don’t pay for the land they grow on, they don’t pay for the power they grow with, and they don’t pay taxes. Once it’s taxed and regulated growers will be forced to raise prices to pay for Government interferences.Laissez faire at its finest.

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    • FREEDOMoverFEAR
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 3:50pm

      Winedude I own a hydroponic shop and gardened for over 10 years. Not anyone can grow weed infact most people who try can’t. Indoor gardening is extremely difficult and takes years to be able to master. Not to mention tens of thousands maybe even hundreds of thousands of dollars. Now go grow your schwag and tell your friends how great your are. Or come on down to Grower’s Warehouse Bakersfield, CA and ill attempt to teach you how to grow, attempt it is the key word most people suck even after being taught and doing it for years.

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    • Winedude
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 9:14pm

      Freedomoverfear: I guess you didn’t read my entire post. I said that growing high quality pot is a lot more difficult but that some better than average weed can be grown with far less care. I well know how difficult to grow indoors…I come from MMJ hotbeds of Mendocino County and Santa Cruz. I‘ll so no more other than I wouldn’t be caught dead in Bakersfield…too many crackers and tweakers. Even worse, Kevin McCarthy is from there…heeee haw!

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    • American Soldier (Separated)
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 11:35pm

      You can save a ton of money buying a bag of tobacco, paper and rolling your own cigarettes. But that’s time consuming. Just as growing pot. I have friends that grow, it’s labor intensive and a delicate process if you want anything better than crap. Look at California, dispensaries are making tons of cash and generating plenty of revenue through sales tax. That’s all the tax it needs. Don’t add a direct tax on marijuana, just collect taxes based on sales.

      People will buy because it’s more convenient. I’m not a smoker, but if weed were legalized, I’d probably buy some brownies.

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  • A.D.Hominem
    Posted on August 25, 2012 at 1:16am

    Sorry, my links got sliced off – no Lorena or John Wayne Bobbitt jokes, please.

    http://m.cancer.org/Treatment/TreatmentsandSideEffects/ComplementaryandAlternativeMedicine/HerbsVitaminsandMinerals/marijuana

    http://www.news-medical.net/health/Cannabinoids-What-are-Cannabinoids.aspx

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  • A.D.Hominem
    Posted on August 25, 2012 at 1:02am

    The “medicinal” use argument for legalizing pot is b.s.  as pure THC and various cannabinoids have been available from doctors for cancer, chronic pain, etc. treatment for awhile now. If you have a valid need for it, your doctor can prescribe stuff that is a thousand times stronger/safer than what you get from some hippie behind the counter, and without trashing your lungs. Sure, you can eat a treat made from your dried out buds, but with at least 66 psychoactive compounds, there‘s still a ton about pot that’s not well understood. It wasn’t until recently that we even new you have cannabinoid receptors in your body; just like you’ve got receptors for nicotine, my drug of choice. Go down that road if you choose, no skin of my back, but if pot is no different than my scotch after work or my cigarette in my EPA approved vented closet, then let’s go all out. As long as we all partake responsibly, riiiiight, wink-wink, nudge-nudge, know-what-I-mean, know-what-I-mean? Gimme my cocaine, my shrooms, my peyote, my acid, my pcp, my opium, my meth, and ooh yeah, my ecstasy, baby. Stupid ’80s. As you can tell, I’m still undecided on the issue. I have an irritating suspicion that it’s not a good idea, but alcohol is by far the most abused substance in man‘s history and I’d shoot a Prohibitionist just as soon as I would a Revenuer. You’re welcome to use Wikipedia for your info, but here are a few other links in case you think that source is sniffy iffy …

    http://m.cancer.

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    • mostly ignored
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 7:16am

      overdose on horoin and you die
      overdose on cocaine and you die
      overdose on alcohol and you die
      overdose on tylenol and you die
      overdose on water and you die
      overdose on pot and you take a nap for 2-3 hours

      “the American public could very easily vote for the wrong man or want the wrong thing, so that they had to be guided from above” – ed burnays -

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    • A.D.Hominem
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 8:16am

      Overdose on oxygen and you CAN die
      Overdose on water and you CAN die
      Overdose on ignorance and you WILL die

      http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/_/dict.aspx?word=overdose

      http://www.rightdiagnosis.com/m/marijuana_overdose/intro.htm

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    • Max jones
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 10:14am

      Drunk goes home..beats his wife. pothead goes home and forgets to beat his wife.

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    • A.D.Hominem
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 10:43am

      Max, why ya gotta hate on the drunks, Max. Why? Why? Did some souse steal your Twinkie once while you were baked? Well, it wasn’t me, man – ’cause I love ya, man. Can’t we all just get a bong?

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    • FREEDOMoverFEAR
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 3:54pm

      You‘re very malinformed so I’ll just attack one of your mistakes. Marijuana has never been shown to harm lungs in fact studies have shown it to reduce tumor sizes in lungs. http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-500368_162-2696726.html

      I suggest you do some research before you babble nonsense.

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    • A.D.Hominem
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 10:30pm

      Freedom, you‘re funny when you’re stoned but sorely lacking in reading comprehension. My comment you replied to clearly states, “… pure THC and various cannabinoids have been available from doctors for cancer, chronic pain, etc. treatment for awhile now.” I also provided links that actually take you directly to appropriate information, unlike your link which goes to a CBS main menu. No prob. I searched the site for your “cannabis & tumor” article and came up with this:

      http://m.cbsnews.com/searchfullstory.rbml?query=Cannabis%20tumor%20&catid=2696726

      Interesting 2007 study on the effects of THC “injected” into “lab mice” which had been given human lung cancer – didn‘t read anything about them smokin’ weed from the local green grocer. Gee, wish somebody had already mentioned the medical efficacy of THC – one out of the currently 66 psychoactive compounds found in cannabis – and given a link to the American Cancer Society site that explains all this. But no, I guess I’m just destined to remain “Malinformed”.

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    • SCREW-WINDOWS
      Posted on August 26, 2012 at 7:03am

      Give a researcher a bag of pot and tell him to research it and they will always come to the conclusion we need more product to come to a conclusion.

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  • colt1860
    Posted on August 25, 2012 at 12:06am

    Anyone even curious about this topic MUST first make the distinction between weed and industrial hemp.

    “Make the most of the Indian hemp seed, sow it everywhere.” – George Washington

    “The culture [of tobacco] is pernicious. This plant greatly exhausts the soil. Of course, it requires much manure, therefore other productions are deprived of manure, yielding no nourishment for cattle, there is no return for the manure expended… It is impolitic… The fact well established in the system of agriculture is that the best hemp and the best tobacco grow on the same kind of soil. The former article is of the first necessity to the commerce and marine, in other words to the wealth and protection of the country. The latter, never useful and sometimes pernicious, derives its estimation from caprice, and its best value from the taxes to which it was formerly exposed…” – Thomas Jefferson, Farm Journal (16 March 1791)

    Our Declaration, and Mayflower sails, were made of hemp. In some colonies, land owners had to grow hemp in order to sustain themselves and keep America independent of foreign goods. Hemp was used for cloth, rope, oil, medicine and paper, among other things. Even the US promoted hemp at one time:

    Hemp for Victory (Department of Agriculture)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ne9UF-pFhJY

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    • SCREW-WINDOWS
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 8:16am

      All’s good and well until some moron has the bright idea to misuse it and smoke it abuse of a product is why laws are made in the first place.

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    • Max jones
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 10:08am

      @screw windows…..I think your symptoms could be mitigated, somewhat if you smoked a joint twice a day. You would immediately realize that your opinions are….opinions, and not empirical fact.

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    • SCREW-WINDOWS
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 10:28am

      Nothing like the promise of free and bountiful drugs to bring out the true dregs of society.

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    • usedCZARsalesman
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 11:10am

      SCREWED…you really just don’t get it, do you? If you’re an employee in an office, YOUR BOSS AND HALF YOUR FELLOW EMPLOYEES SMOKE! That’s just a fact. If you own a small business that hires more than immediate family, HALF YOUR EMPLOYEES SMOKE! I work for a very successful radio station and every salesman, 3 of the 4 members of upper management, both owners, and one of the DJs…smoke daily…My friends own houses, multiple cars, PAY taxes, and don’t take any government benefits…guess what? THEY ALL SMOKE DAILY!!! My family and I go to church every Sunday (no, we don’t go high, since you seem to think all people who smoke are evil) and we see dozens of folks in the pews around us that ALL SMOKE DAILY! You need to stop being so willfully ignorant and get some facts about marijuana.

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    • kindsoul
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 11:24am

      @screw-windows Again, do society a favor and commit suicide.

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    • colt1860
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 1:56pm

      @SCREW-WINDOWS To “smoke” industrial hemp, the size of that “joint” would have to be as big as an electric pole. You can’t get high on industrial hemp or its products. LOL. No matter how much you “puff”. There’s also a chemical difference between “weed” and industrial hemp.

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    • FREEDOMoverFEAR
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 3:59pm

      I see why your name is “screw-windows” you like to be trapped in a box and not have to deal with the outside world because you might realize you‘re not perfect and you don’t know everything.

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    • SCREW-WINDOWS
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 7:16pm

      I bet if all you pro potheads was permanently disabled or killed by someone who just got a little high you would be singing a different tune.

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    • SCREW-WINDOWS
      Posted on August 26, 2012 at 7:07am

      @ usedCZARsalesman
      Just think of the business success you could have if it wasn’t stoners working and running it.

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    • colt1860
      Posted on August 26, 2012 at 10:28pm

      @SCREW-WINDOWS I’m not pro-pothead. I’m vehemently opposed to idleness, unhealthy lifestyles, drugs, and laziness. I’ve never smoked anything in my life, or even drank a beer. However, how many drunk drivers have killed or disabled people? Millions more than any pothead ever has. Do some research. “Weed” became illegal in order to malign industrial hemp, which was a threat to pharmaceutical drug companies, and companies abroad. The two are NOT the same. The MSM will treat as thus, and big legal drug companies will keep ripping you off. Add to that, many “anti-depression” drugs make people violent, crazy, deranged, and suicidal. Industrial hemp is a manufacturing product, which would make us a nation economically independent from international corporations. Do your homework.

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  • WAKEUPUSA2012
    Posted on August 25, 2012 at 12:04am

    LOL wells fargo wont bank with her, but HSBC J Morgan and Wells Fargo have all been caught laundering BILLIONS of the cartles dirty drug moeny. Pot should be legal, hell Washington grew hemp.

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    • colt1860
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 12:08am

      Why do you think Wachovia shutdown?

      “One of the largest banks in the United States — Wachovia, laundered a staggering $378.4 billion dollars of drug cartel cash, a sum equivalent to one-third of Mexico’s GDP.”

      “On 10 April 2006, a DC-9 jet landed in the port city of Ciudad del Carmen, on the Gulf of Mexico, as the sun was setting. Mexican soldiers, waiting to intercept it, found 128 cases packed with 5.7 tons of cocaine, valued at $100m. But something else – more important and far-reaching – was discovered in the paper trail behind the purchase of the plane by the Sinaloa narco-trafficking cartel.

      During a 22-month investigation by agents from the US Drug Enforcement Administration, the Internal Revenue Service and others, it emerged that the cocaine smugglers had bought the plane with money they had laundered through one of the biggest banks in the United States: Wachovia, now part of the giant Wells Fargo.” http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/03/us-bank-mexico-drug-gangs

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  • kimosd1
    Posted on August 24, 2012 at 11:39pm

    It is time on two fronts to allow regulated legalization. Pot is everywhere, it is easier to buy weed than it is to buy cigarettes. Having it available to adults in the same way that alcohol is would decrease the use and availability to minors such as alcohol laws do now. It is far less harmful on the body than alcohol and while it can become physiologically habit forming you can not become physically addicted like alcohol or hard drugs. Alcohol is a far greater harm to the public with alcoholism, liver disease, drunk driving, etc., but because people like it…it’s legal. The other point is that in a free country grown adults should be able to decide for themselves what to do or don‘t do as long as they don’t harm anyone else. The tax dollars generated from legal transactions that are going to take place is far better than sending money to drug cartels on a commodity that is going to be used whether it is legal or not. It will also free up police to concentrate on real crime instead of hauling in people for smoking dope and then seeing them released before the arrest report is finished.

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  • Displacedsoutherner
    Posted on August 24, 2012 at 11:38pm

    Does this country need another excuse to finance a class of lay-abouts, leeches and whiners? Where is the bottom of this slide into the landfill of world history? Smoking dope not quite enough, use the “cutting crime” excuse and legalize cocaine, heroin, all of it, what’s the rational stopping point and how does a pot-head argue with a coke-head about being too drugged-out, too high, with any moral authority?

    Legalized drug use is still drug use and unless the taxpayers fund it the users will still need to pay for it somehow; is that a new use for EBT cards that anyone with an IQ over 60 wants to initiate?

    Why not just issue Soma ( “a gram is better than a damn”, after all) to everyone and be done with it, nothing like a country of dulled down, mellowed out sheep to order around. “Hey, dude, when did they put up all this barbed wire around our neighborhood? Have you seen my dog?”

    I said this to everyone I knew who supported Obama and I say it again: WAKE UP, what the hell is the matter with people who can’t see where all this is headed.

    Remember: It’s a COOKBOOK!!

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    • Max jones
      Posted on August 24, 2012 at 11:46pm

      Don’t judge a man by his meat.

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    • KidCharlemagne
      Posted on August 24, 2012 at 11:58pm

      Just remember what Prohibition was actually designed for though (hint: it wasn’t intended to stop drugs and/or alcohol):

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      “Progressive reformers also took to Prohibition for they saw it as a continuation of their efforts to improve society in general. Temperance societies and Progressives alike saw the need for more governmental control and involvement in citizens’ lives. They were successful in passing several laws at the local level. Between 1905 and 1917, states across the nation were imposing laws that prohibited the manufacture and sale of intoxicating beverages. They did not stop there, however. The temperance societies began to push to change American society and elevate morality through national legislation.”
      http://www.archives.gov/education/lessons/volstead-act/

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    • Max jones
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 12:04am

      ”Does this country need another excuse to finance a class of lay-abouts, leeches and whiners?” Yes. it does. We need all the excuses we can get. We are a sorry lot of blasphemous pretenders, playing church and watching cable television, While satan himself sets up the NWO. We buy guns and ammo to make us feel more secure, as our notion of reality floats away like a toy balloon. How many people do you know that know what time it is? All earthly concerns will soon fade into irrelevance. We will be fighting for our lives in a world that knows no mercy. Have you not read?

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    • FREEDOMoverFEAR
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 3:43pm

      You’ve obviously never smoked marijuana.

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  • Rational Man
    Posted on August 24, 2012 at 11:34pm

    If Obama proposes, passes, or promises pot legalizing legislation, the Libertarians will vote for him. That is if they can bring themselves to put down the bag of Dorritos and drag themselves off of the couch to go vote.

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    • KidCharlemagne
      Posted on August 24, 2012 at 11:52pm

      Rational Man
      Posted on August 24, 2012 at 11:34pm
      If Obama proposes, passes, or promises pot legalizing legislation, the Libertarians will vote for him.
      ==============================

      The banks would never allow that to happen anyway, so that’s obviously something that you should never ever have to worry about:

      HSBC May Have Handled Billions in Drug Cartel Cash: Report – ABC News July 17, 2012

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    • 0ld5t0ner
      Posted on August 24, 2012 at 11:53pm

      You mistake libritarians with progressives.

      The trouble with dems and repubs is, they forgot what liberty means.

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    • WAKEUPUSA2012
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 12:09am

      Lol thats a cop out. Libertartians want small limited government more than legal pot. Try to come up with a more realistic way of bashing small government sound money advocates.(the true constutitional conservatives)

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    • CatB
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 12:15am

      Go see the movie 2016 .. there isn’t enough pot in the world to make me vote for Obummer. Nor anything else.

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    • 0ld5t0ner
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 12:27am

      You have no idea what a libertarian is, do you?

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    • TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 8:53am

      The “Ron Paul R3volution/Liberty Movement” looks a lot like what Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn tried to accomplish with the ’60s generation. Disillusioned young people, easily swayed by Ron Paul’s rhetoric and brainwashed with illegal mind-altering drugs and armed with weapons in the name of “liberty and freedom,” are being taught to hate their government and law enforcement. at all levels They believed Ron Paul was their savior. We’ve seen these folks before… but now they just claim a different political mantra that smells sweet until you scratch the surface to reveal it’s pungent odor.

      Remember what Communist and terrorist Dohrn had said, “We fight in many ways. Dope is one of our weapons. The laws against marijuana mean that millions of us are outlaws long before we actually split. Guns and grass are united in the youth underground.”

      The same attitude is apparent in some of the Libertarian-anarchist groups that backed Paul in New Hampshire and many other “encampments” around the nation.

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    • KidCharlemagne
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 9:14am

      TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 8:53am

      The “Ron Paul R3volution/Liberty Movement” looks a lot like what Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn tried to accomplish with the ’60s generation.
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      Your BS knows no limits, T2…….

      From 1789 to 1914, the United States had NO laws whatsoever prohibiting the use of cannabis.

      So that means that a whole lot of Congresses and Presidents didn‘t care the first thing about it over the course of America’s first 125 years of existence.

      The Progressive Era in America is when all of these laws first started appearing (Harrison Act of 1914, Volstead Act of 1919, etc.), so that ought to tell you something right there.

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    • TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 9:42am

      KID (as his screen name exemplifies) is a perfect representation of today‘s Liberally educated and ideologically confused youngsters that Ron Paul’s “liberty and freedom” rhetoric appeals to and parrots. Some of these young people say they’re concerned about the national debt. Others oppose U.S. involvement in foreign wars. While these are respectable views… they do not tell the whole story about what is going on in the “Ron Paul Liberty Movement.”

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    • Rational Man
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 10:30am

      0ld5t0ner
      Posted on August 24, 2012 at 11:53pm
      You mistake libritarians with progressives.

      It’s a pretty easy “mistake” to make considering it takes a powerful microscope to distinguish between the two.

      0ld5t0ner
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 12:27am
      You have no idea what a libertarian is, do you?

      I know exactly what you are, and that is why I stir you into the same pot as progressives. The disdain I have for you and your kind tastes much the same as it does for progressives.

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    • Individualism
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 12:15pm

      Time2, should work for Alex Jones, hes a good conspiracy theorist.

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    • WAKEUPUSA2012
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 12:58pm

      Time2BeADisInfoWhore

      Boy you got it. We are the modern day weather underground….I mean how foolish does that sound? Small government LIBERTY (which what the rePUBS and Dems alwys forget) minded people do want communism and to blow up government buildings. How do you feel about the coming police state? I see you only comment on articles that play into your world view. No comments on the TSA no comments on Brandon Rube. No comments on Iraq war vets getting charged with terrorism. I told you months ago that people who beleived in individual liberty were labeled potential terrorist, but you just had some smartass response like always. Pathetic excuse. You the “combat vet”, I mean you the self serving LIBERTY bashing fa**ot from flordia. Get a clue. Were going back to the gold standered, were going to audit the Fed. Paul has done more in this past year for the future of conservatives than you or your m16 ever did you slimball.

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    • WAKEUPUSA2012
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 12:59pm

      Time2BeADisInfoWhore

      Boy you got it. We are the modern day weather underground….I mean how foolish does that sound? Small government LIBERTY (which what the rePUBS and Dems alwys forget) minded people do want communism and to blow up government buildings. How do you feel about the coming police state? I see you only comment on articles that play into your world view. No comments on the TSA no comments on Brandon Rube. No comments on Iraq war vets getting charged with terrorism. I told you months ago that people who beleived in individual liberty were labeled potential terrorist, but you just had some smartass response like always. Pathetic excuse. You the “combat vet”, I mean you the self serving LIBERTY bashing fa**ot from flordia. Get a clue. Were going back to the gold standered, were going to audit the Fed. Paul has done more in this past year for the future of conservatives than you or your m16 ever did you slimball

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    • Rational Man
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 1:57pm

      I always love it when Libertatians expose themselves in their rebuttals of accusations made towards them. It’s so satisfying and pretty much ends the arguement………………

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    • WAKEUPUSA2012
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 2:07pm

      Well arent you sharp as a tack “unrational man”? Cause if you were rational, you would know, everyone is already somking pot, it shuld be taxed and its not hurting anyone. But because you are a freedom hating liberty bashing fool, you think like that. God Bless. unrational man God Bless your little heart.

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    • Rational Man
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 2:25pm

      @WAKEUPUSA2012

      If your spelling, punctuation and offensive demeanor are any indicators of the result of pot smoking, I would have to disagree with you once again that, “its not hurting anyone”. Doesn’t appear that smoking pot has elevated you much as an individual citizen of a largely civilized nation. In observation, it appears that pot smoking has actually made you oblivious to that fact, and many others.

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    • TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 2:32pm

      WAKEUP(BACKTOSLEEP). Bet you had to look the “Weather Underground‘ up didn’tcha’?

      Yep, the Weather Underground, SDS and the New Left used a lot of the same rhetoric we see with the Ron Paul “Liberty Movement.” I can even see some Timothy Leary vernacular that can be used to describe your so-called Movement. The old “dropping out” thing… BUT…“dropping back in” by glomming onto the Ron Paul/Libertarian bandwagon as your new pusher of an enlightened state of being…

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    • WAKEUPUSA2012
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 4:01pm

      Had to look up weather underground? Lol thats a joke right? Dude im obsessed with this stuff. Weather underground were freaks, thank God for the brave FBI agent that busted them wide open. You really have a sick twisted view of liberty lovers.

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    • WAKEUPUSA2012
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 4:24pm

      Lol I just had to reply again “betch you had to look that up didnt you” who in the hell are you? What gives you the right to think you know everything? What gives you the idea that your ways are the right ways, and there should be no debate? To you Thomas Jefferson would be a weather undergroung terrorist as well as Paul Revere. Ive said it before, you must be a very sad, very little man. I bet your family can stand you right? Your daughter or son wont talk to you? Never mind I shouldnt speculate. You older people screwed this country, your support for the wars, for the war on drugs, the bankers, has destroyed this country. My God your SMUG attitude “I bet you had to look that up” shows your a very desperate man who is totally off point. Little ninny voice “I bet you had to look that up didntcha” HAHAHAHAHAH freaking loser.

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    • Rational Man
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 5:23pm

      @WAKEUPUSA2012

      This is a really poor place to vent your inferiority complex and drug induced psychosis by berating others in ignorance and offensive name calling and stuff. You will only feel worse about yourself the more you reveal who you really are by your remarks.
      “Waa!….What makes you think your smarter than me…”
      Come on. Your sounding more pathetic with every post. Give it up and console yourself with the fact that you are annonymous on the forum and you don’t have to deal with us face to face, knowing what we know about you. Maybe smoke another joint and tell yourself that you’re special.

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    • WAKEUPUSA2012
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 5:34pm

      Rational just stick to being a square. Me and time2beadisinfowhore have been going back and foth for almost a year now. Nothing to do with you. I never siad what makes you think you are smarter than me. Go back and read what I wrote. He calls me names I call him names. He says mean stuff I say mean stuff. We are both men. We both know what we are doing. So but the hell out.

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    • WAKEUPUSA2012
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 5:37pm

      Hey rational you must really hate glenn beck says he is a libertartian right? Anyway if you ask Ill tell you my full name and where I live right now. Your a square and I aint ashamed of anything ive said son.

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    • West Coast Patriot
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 5:45pm

      Watch this video from Richard Gilbert (Lawyers for Ron Paul): http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cxaBqnRosdo

      I wonder if he will get a visit from the Gestapo?

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    • Rational Man
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 5:48pm

      I will post as often as I wish in the reply section of my original post, thank you very much.
      Go ahead, post your name and address. I’d be happy to forward it to your local police.

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    • WAKEUPUSA2012
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 7:05pm

      You would call the local police? LOL we are living in 1984!!! what a loooosssseeerrr. Lol westcoast wth is wrong with these people? Your such a fool I feel bad for even argueing with you. “im would call the local police” OMG

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    • West Coast Patriot
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 8:47pm

      WakeUp, The problem with all of these people is they were raised wrong. They were indoctrinated in school, taught that we were a Democracy instead of a Republic, told that people in power were smarter than the rest of us and that they should listen to them. They were raised with the TV as a babysitter and told the establishment reporters were godly in the lies they spewed night after night on the TV. You see, Jack Nicholson said it best in “The Shining” when he said to his wife about their son, “You see honey, it has to be true, he heard it on the TeeeVeeee.”

      They are lost and groping in the dark, hoping that Romney is the one that will save them from the big bad Obama, when in reality, it is not Obama, but the establishment (the rich and powerful men behind the curtain of the world central banks) that are destructing our freedoms in order to control all the aspects of everyone around the globe. But they have been duped into thinking that it is just a conspiracy theory and to pay no mind to the man behind the curtain. You see, everything that is important through science, mathematics and such, all begin with a theory, and then you find and present evidence to back it up. They turn a blind eye to the evidence of theories if it can be labeled a conspiracy. The blind leading the blind.

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  • 0ld5t0ner
    Posted on August 24, 2012 at 11:27pm

    Our government is run by politicians.

    Politicians lie.

    It’s all about the money.

    The government will loose to much money if canabis is legal.

    First they came for the canabis, and I said nothing because I don’t smoke it.

    Then they came for….your choice.

    They took my liberty away now they’re coming for yours.

    If you won’t fight for my liberty why should I fight for yours?

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    • sillyfreshness
      Posted on August 24, 2012 at 11:39pm

      Who cares if someone smokes a joint. I don’t smoke pot, but I know a lot of people who do and they are better behaved than alcoholics. I expected Obama to legalize it since so many blacks smoke dope, but Obama actually toughened up the laws. Obama is just a Manchurian candidate.

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  • woodyee
    Posted on August 24, 2012 at 11:21pm

    “Will Marijuana Legislation Impact Obama’s Re-Election?”

    Yes. The passengers of the Ship of Fools, along with The Stupid, will be drowning their sorrows with dope, making it impossible for them to vote more than twice without getting caught in a vicious cycle of having to decide whether to buy pizza or crack with what’s left of the $5.00 they got to vote for Gaybama…

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    • Max jones
      Posted on August 24, 2012 at 11:36pm

      I think you over simplify the issue. You are clearly biased. This is strictly a revenue issue. Right now we get 25 million people buying and selling an illegal substance, regularly, and not paying any taxes on it Add to that the cost of enforcing anti pot laws and the cost of interdiction, and you have a lot of dough. A lot. Tokers are going to toke…that has been proven. Or, keep it like it is, that has worked, eh?

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    • WAKEUPUSA2012
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 12:12am

      So if someone smokes pot, that means they must smoke crack right? What a pathetic excuse for a American, to think that simple minded that is.

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    • jonnydoe
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 12:25am

      People drown their sorrows in alcohol, you know, the stuff that’s legal? Why do you guys insist on stereotyping people who smoke weed as do-nothings who sit on the couch all day, eating Doritos and watching Cheech & Chong movies? There are many very active, very productive people in society who enjoy not only the relaxing benefits of marijuana, but also the health benefits.

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    • woodyee
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 12:34am

      Whooboy!

      Had I known you guys were so smart, I wouldn’t have posted something so simplistically ironic that it would sail under your radar…
      Remember what the doorman said – keep your heads…LOL!!!!

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    • WAKEUPUSA2012
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 12:45am

      Good one.

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  • NOT A CRAZY
    Posted on August 24, 2012 at 11:07pm

    I have gone back and forth on this issue but a few weeks ago I had a revelation about this issue and I believe that it needs to be decriminalized. Why should the taxpayers pay for potheads or even pot growers to spend time in jail? It cost us a fortune. The money would be much better spent on targeting much more harmful drugs like Meth and Heroin. I am very conservative but it just doesn’t make sense to keep going after marijuanna. There is really no logic there.

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    • eCharleen
      Posted on August 24, 2012 at 11:11pm

      I agree completely.

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    • KangarooJack
      Posted on August 24, 2012 at 11:13pm

      Good try hon. Great word choice and such, but the syntax was all wrong! BUSTED!!!

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    • Platonician
      Posted on August 24, 2012 at 11:21pm

      It won’t be decriminalized! Why? Simply because that would kill the prices of it in the drugs market, thus destroying the business and fortunes of cartels like the SInaloa Cartel, which works for/with the US. Gov.
      The war on drugs is just a war between gangs, those supported by the US Gov elites and their competition.
      The elites couldn’t not live without drugs, the likes of Oliver Stone, Facebook’s founder, etc. all of them need illegal drugs, not only for consumption but as a commodity.

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    • NOT A CRAZY
      Posted on August 24, 2012 at 11:38pm

      You must be smoking some of the funny stuff Kangaroo. Who the heck are you talking too? If you were saying hon to me you better be a woman or I will kick your nuts up into your throat.

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    • West Coast Patriot
      Posted on August 24, 2012 at 11:44pm

      The federal government should get out of many things altogether and worry about nothing but our borders, states treating each other fairly in trade and that states ensure general welfare of the people, but most of all, ensuring that states do not violate individual liberty. That is it. Just my opinion.

      The original Constitution intended to create a federal government that was specifically designed to address matters that were essentially federal in nature–such as national defense and interstate commerce, currency, a post office, and so on. The taxing power was also greatly limited. Most police powers (that is, laws directed at the general health, safety, and welfare of people) were supposed to be exercised by the states.

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    • Max jones
      Posted on August 24, 2012 at 11:44pm

      The smuggling routes were established by marijuana importers….Then came coke. Same routes, severely ruthless people, and a more dangerous drug. this can be reversed in a small way by the de-criminalization of pot. I think pot smokers are longer lived than coke heads. We will have them till the end. Oh, no, I sound like Dr. Paul!!

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    • 0ld5t0ner
      Posted on August 24, 2012 at 11:46pm

      Follow the money.

      It‘s not about getting high it’s all about the money.

      It’s not about protecting children, it’s all about the money.

      Follow the money.

      Educate yourself outside of the political meme.

      Does liberty for you mean liberty for me?

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    • SCREW-WINDOWS
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 12:02am

      Sure legalize it but you will have to surrender all firearms and the right to vote along with it as we can’t afford to have people in a altered state of mind making life and death decisions.

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    • Max jones
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 12:19am

      The weed that comes out of Latin america is inferior in quality to what is grown here. Scientific methodology has been extremely successful, where cultivation of pot is concerned. If the “elites” smoke pot, its grown in California, or Colorado, or in your neighbor’s basement. If its grown in cally or Colorado, maybe it’s even been taxed. But it did not come across the border bricked up harder than concrete and so dry that it is painful to smoke.

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    • team1blazer
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 12:37am

      I’m inclined to agree with you, BUT the only test for marijuana use currently shows what is in the blood for 30 days, so if some stoner causes an accident that kills your (pick …wife, child, parent) and claims that he wasn’t stoned (yeah, I get high, but I wasn’t high then)….you get the picture. It just opens up a whole new can of worms. Im not saying that I’m against legalizatin, I‘m just saying that it’s a whole lot more complicated than just “legalizing it”.

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    • rawmilker
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 1:17am

      Health benefits? Marjiuana has 10 times more tar that cigarettes that goes into your lungs, yea its real healthy allright….

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    • American Soldier (Separated)
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 1:45am

      @TEAM1BLAZER

      I’ve got a solution. How about you’re held responsible for the death of another human being, regardless if you were high, drunk, angry or depressed?

      Does it matter if someone was high or drunk when they killed someone? To me, it doesn’t. The fact that they killed someone is the problem and they should pay accordingly. If you commit a crime, does it matter if you were drunk? No, just prosecute them for committing the crime.

      Why does the fact if you were drunk or not need to play a role in the factor of the crime? If you kill someone, you go to jail. If you rob someone, you go to jail. Doesn’t matter what you had in your system, you go to jail.

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    • West Coast Patriot
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 4:04am

      Rawmilker, You should not talk about things you know nothing about, it shows ignorance. I do not smoke pot, however, my son uses medical marijuana for seizures he suffers from a traumatic brain injury. He is the second patient that his neurologist has prescribed this treatment for when pharmaceuticals were found to not be effective.

      Here is a study that was done:

      When COPD (chronic obstructive pulmonary disease) was clinically confirmed though a diagnostic method known as spirometric testing:

      The incidence of COPD among participants who smoked cigarettes alone was 2.7 times higher than among nonsmokers.
      The incidence of COPD was 2.9 times higher among participants with a history of smoking both cigarettes and pot, even after controlling for other risk factors for the pulmonary disease.
      COPD risk among people who smoked marijuana, but not tobacco, was slightly higher than among nonsmokers, but the increase was not statistically significant.

      The study appears in the April 14 issue of the Canadian Medical Association Journal.

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    • A.D.Hominem
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 5:10am

      West Coast, sorry to hear about your son’s condition. Here are links to the article you cited and a peer commentary on it from the same April 2009 source. I read both, and as a cigarette smoker for many years, I still find it hard to believe that inhaling smoke from hemp over the long term is any less harmful than tobacco. The peer commentary doesn’t dismiss the Tan study, but it does caution about reading too much into it and other studies due to small, self-reporting sample size, etc. 

      Tan Study:
      http://www.cmaj.ca/content/180/8/814.full.pdf

      Peer Commentary:
      http://www.cmaj.ca/content/180/8/797.full.pdf

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    • SCREW-WINDOWS
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 8:28am

      Marijuana the great mask that heals all ills.

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    • TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 9:32am

      The Ron Paul acolytes like other addled and brain-dead leftists are as thick as thieves when it comes to marijuana (medical or otherwise). It’s funny what some will do and say (trying their best to present cogent arguments in favor.. but falling flat in the common sense department) to get their favorate mind-altering substance legalized.

      Ron Paul/Gary Johnson/Barney Frank and their ranks of supporting stooges are nothing more than an orgy of leftist thought… in more ways than one.

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    • Individualism
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 12:17pm

      zionists are nazis

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    • KidCharlemagne
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 12:45pm

      SCREW-WINDOWS
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 12:02am

      Sure legalize it but you will have to surrender all firearms and the right to vote along with it as we can’t afford to have people in a altered state of mind making life and death decisions.
      ==============================

      What about the folks that are high on Budweiser?…….

      Should ‘Joe 6-Pack’ be forced to surrender his firearms?

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    • West Coast Patriot
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 1:11pm

      Time_2, You are nothing but a poor little man with a brain the size of a pea. Paul supporters are going to show you and the rest that think like you what it is like when the GOP becomes nothing but criminals that make Obama look like a choir boy. Pay attention in November.

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    • WAKEUPUSA2012
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 1:22pm

      Wait wait wait, tim2beadisonfwhore said something about common sense? HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA If only he had any, man I cant wait. Im going to go sell some heroin to some school kids and then go vote for Obama while collecting my government money. HAHAHAHAHAHAH hey time can we be friends? Can I come stay with you in sunny north flordia?

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    • TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 2:38pm

      LEFT COAST PARROT. All you’re going to do is show that you are voting for Obama by hook or crook. Anything else you say is pure BS. I personally think as the months have gone by on here… you are completely FOS in more than just a few areas…

      You’re the new Obama acolyte by proxy…

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    • FREEDOMoverFEAR
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 4:01pm

      Marijuana doesn’t effect motor skills. At least not according to studies that me and thousands of my freinds preformed daily and not according to Harvard’s Biology department. But what do we know? All of you bloggers are much smarter than us.

      http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/2001/10.11/marijuana.html

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    • FREEDOMoverFEAR
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 4:21pm

      I love how all of you smoke a few joints and think you know something. First of all cartels grow quality marijuana just like white college kids. Cartel members own Hydroshops they own Dispensaries they farm the product. Cartels benefit from marijuana being illegal in every state whether it’s Wyoming (Growing in this state is scary!) or in California (Growing here is about as scary as growing tomatoes.) But I will tell you this 75% of quality product is grown by a white guy usually in his late twenties or early thirties and they usually have a good day job as well. Because white people are smart and hard working that’s why they run eveything from Wall Street to Weed on the Street.

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    • West Coast Patriot
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 9:51pm

      Time_2, No you are the one that is more like Obama. You come on here and do nothing but call anyone who is a Paul supporter a lefty and that is more like what lefties do. You have said in the past that you believe in big government telling the masses how they should behave and that makes you a socialist in anybody;s book. You just need to come to the realization, but that will not happen as you are not intelligent enough to see what is right in front of your face. Your parents did a poor job of raising you with any kind of compassion for anyone, except yourself, which makes you a narcissist. Have fun in your, soon to be, failed life.

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    • SCREW-WINDOWS
      Posted on August 26, 2012 at 7:12am

      Give a idiot a bag of weed and a computer and he’s in hog heaven.

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  • John_The_Beloved
    Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:49pm

    I hope they don’t legalize pot and make so you smoke anywhere and any place. I have bad allergic reaction to the smell of it that it is not funny.

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    • American Soldier (Separated)
      Posted on August 24, 2012 at 11:04pm

      Your rights end where mine begin. Business can determine whether marijuana can be smoked in their business. If they do allow it, you are free to not do business with them. They are not responsible to accommodate your allergies.

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    • blackyb
      Posted on August 24, 2012 at 11:07pm

      They want to rebuild this nation on dope. It is bad enough out there and legalizing this would hamper any motivation these young and even older people have. This is insanity.

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    • EGsimi1776
      Posted on August 24, 2012 at 11:10pm

      or how about this, we treat it the same as Alcohol… pretty darn simple, nothing special, nothing different; just the same

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    • KidCharlemagne
      Posted on August 24, 2012 at 11:16pm

      blackyb
      Posted on August 24, 2012 at 11:07pm
      They want to rebuild this nation on dope.
      ==================================

      I take it you didn’t like the outcome of World War II, then??

      “Hemp for Victory” – Filmed in 1942 by the US Government!

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    • American Soldier (Separated)
      Posted on August 24, 2012 at 11:19pm

      @BLACKYB That’s there problem if they lose motivation. I have friends back in college that smoked like nothing else and got straight As and are now very successful. And still smoking.

      Honestly, I might start again if it were decriminalized. I wouldn’t smoke it, as I’m not much of a smoker. But a pot brownie after work as I kick back and watch some flicks on netflix wouldn’t be a bad way to end a hard, long day in the office.

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    • Anonymous T. Irrelevant
      Posted on August 24, 2012 at 11:45pm

      The same laws that apply to alcohol should apply to marijuana. I don’t care if you smoke or drink inside your house, but you’d best not be driving while impaired. You cannot tell me MJ doesn’t impair you. I grew up with friends who smoked it regularly, I smoked it a few times and didn’t see the fascination.
      They, normally got stoned with MJ. Reaction time and decision making were comparable to alcohol.

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    • rpaguirigan
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 11:04am

      I presume you are referring to cigarettes when you say they let you smoke anywhere and everywhere? really? where do you live, Las Vegas?

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  • VotersOfNY
    Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:48pm

    Obozo knows a little bit about smoking dope. After all, his first leadership skills started when he ran the Choom Gang. Obozo and the Choom Gang snorted cocaine, smoked pot, drank lots of beer in green bottles and he is proud as can be about it. When asked if he inhaled, he laughs and says, that‘s what you’re supposed to do.

    So when you catch you kid smoking dope, drinking and snorting cocaine, don’t you dare chastise him. Obozo has never regretted doing it, so if he can do it, so can other teenagers.

    If only Obozo was as proud of Columbia and Harvard. Maybe then he would show his school records. I wonder what he is hiding? Isn’t anyone else curious why he is not proud as a peacock to show off how smart he is?

    I wonder why Obozo and Michelle can’t practice law? I‘m sure there’s a good explanation for it just like the explanations for the hundreds of other mysteries in his history. Keep drinking the koolaid.

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  • Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
    Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:47pm

    Pssssstttttttttt. YAAAAAHHHH, man, like, if he passes pot laws, and legalizes it, it will definitely vote for him November 10th man. Yah, if he passes a mandatory Doritoes law that makes it, like, madatory the dude at 7-11 gives me doritoes, yah, I will vote for him in December, or whatever. I got to go, the midnight movie of the wall starts soon. FREEEBIRD.

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    • Anonymous T. Irrelevant
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 12:02am

      First off, Obama, the President does not create, nor pass laws. CONGRESS does. The only thing Obama will have to do with it is whether or not to veto it.
      It is up to CONGRESS to initiate, bring to the floor, debate why it should be legalized or not, then vote on it. If it passes, it goes to the Senate, OH YEAH! I’m just a bill, yes, I’m only a bill, and I’m standing here on Capitol Hill, you all have seen SchoolHouse Rock, you know the process, so stop giving Obsma credit for legalizing marijuana if it happens. He was only there to sign it into law or veto it. He didn’t do the hard work. I don’t think he has EVER done any hard work in his life.

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 12:08am

      LOL, that really does remind me of some people that I knew in Tampa in the early ’70s.

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    • SCREW-WINDOWS
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 12:09am

      Obviously pandering for the Ron Paul votes.

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    • WAKEUPUSA2012
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 12:26am

      Obama is obviously pandering to the uptight liberty hating people who really love war.

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    • SCREW-WINDOWS
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 6:16am

      By your response you just admitted legalizing drugs was a major reason for supporting Ron Paul now wasn’t it ?

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    • Max jones
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 10:37am

      darmok…..Get the govt. involved and things get screwed up, does not matter the object or subject. Our leaders, blue or red, do not have the wisdom or spiritual maturity to make any useful contributions at this late hour. Politics solve nothing, create nothing and usually do more harm than good. I live on Divine Providence, and were it not for this, I would not even be alive at this time. I don’t know why the Lord keeps me, but he does.

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  • cemerius
    Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:47pm

    Obama will “hint” at a promise for “legislation” JUST like he does to keep the Liberal Hispanics in “check”!!! After November 6th he will have “other” pressing issues! DO NOT believe a single word that comes from Obama’s mouth…….

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    • KidCharlemagne
      Posted on August 24, 2012 at 11:07pm

      “John Suthers, Colorado’s State Attorney General, is one of the more outspoken opponents not only of the amendment but also of medical marijuana.”
      ==================================

      In other words, Mr. Suthers wants to insulate the drug cartels from any potential competitors (organized crime despises additional competition)….

      The prophetic words of Milton Friedman continue to resound after all this time, don’t they? (LOL)

      —————————-
      “If you look at the drug war from a purely economic point of view, the role of the government is to protect the drug cartel. That’s literally true.”
      -Economist Milton Friedman

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    • American Soldier (Separated)
      Posted on August 24, 2012 at 11:07pm

      And you think you can trust Romney to be the conservative we desperately need? Both have a severe issue of ********-campaign-rhetoric-itis.

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    • Max jones
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 12:42am

      Where did I get my right to pursue happiness? Our precious Constitution says that God did. How in the world did we get to the point where I must look to government to agree ..once more. We can’t get along with the government or without it….or can we? There is a whole counter culture that is unseen, unregulated and works on a simple premise-supply and demand.

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    • SCREW-WINDOWS
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 6:22am

      He is also promising a dozen virgins for his vote.

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  • booger71
    Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:45pm

    Just have the local and state cops not arrest anyone, problem solved. Barry told the Govenors they don’t have the authority to enforce immigration laws, so let the U.S Marshals and DEA go around arresting the penny ante drug dealers. I‘m pretty sure they don’t have the man power

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    • KidCharlemagne
      Posted on August 24, 2012 at 11:13pm

      booger71
      Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:45pm
      Just have the local and state cops not arrest anyone, problem solved.
      ==================================

      It’s not that easy though because they have allowed themselves to become dependent on federal money over the years (he who has the gold makes the rules):

      ———————————
      “IGO, Calif.—Shasta County Sheriff Tom Bosenko, his budget under pressure in a weak economy, has laid off staff, reduced patrols and even released jail inmates. But there‘s one mission on which he’s spending more than in recent years: pot busts.

      The reason is simple: If he steps up his pursuit of marijuana growers, his department is eligible for roughly half a million dollars a year in federal anti-drug funding, helping save some jobs. The majority of the funding would have to be used to fight pot. Marijuana may not be the county’s most pressing crime problem, the sheriff says, but “it’s where the money is.”
      “It’s where the money is…”

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  • DRAGONSEED
    Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:44pm

    Legalizing (encouraging use of) “pot” is a mistake that will cost all Americans dearly. (Why don’t they instead research and encourage production of a synthetic marijuana pill to the point where it is cheap and easy to acquire for those who *need it medically* but does not require smoking/lung contamination? Could big Pharma be implicated??)

    SMOKING marijuana causes lung cancer, emphysema, and many other horrible diseases. WHY should nonsmoking Americans have to foot the bill for a bunch of sick, dying POTHEADS?

    Further, imagine all the “high” drivers on the highways and all the accidents/deaths that will cause. Not to mention all the nutcases “high” on grass who flip out and resort to paranoid, violent acts. And all the increased INCOMPETENCE & ACCIDENTS that will follow, as folks take their 15-minute “pot” breaks then resume working in offices and factories…

    America has enough problems; we do not need to encourage addiction and irresponsible habits like pot-smoking. NO WAY should marijuana be legalized.

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    • antrancher
      Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:52pm

      I also have mixed feelings but I can tell you one thing, you do not “flip out and commit violent acts on Marijuana. You are confused.

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    • EGsimi1776
      Posted on August 24, 2012 at 11:01pm

      you clearly have no idea what you are talking about so please, just stop, and leave it to those who actually know something about this.

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    • WAKEUPUSA2012
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 12:17am

      Lol I think that 50s flick “refer madness” really had a effect on you. People dont flip out in parnoid rages on pot.

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    • Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 3:09am

      Eat the last chocolate chip cookie and harsh their mello, and they WILL flip out. I usually only lasts about 5 seconds though, then they get distracted by something shiny.

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    • Kupo
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 3:25am

      What WakeupUSA said.

      Also, I don’t know if you noticed, but cigarettes are also bad for people. And even if (when) marijuana is legalized, cigarettes will always remain higher on causes of death and illness. So why not make that illegal too?

      Moron.

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    • Max jones
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 10:27am

      I don’t believe dragonseed is very knowledgeable. Reactionary is more like it.

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    • rpaguirigan
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 11:32am

      Is this an opinion or is it fact? If the latter than back it up instead of blowing smoke out of your ***. You answered you own question when you asked why big Pharma couldnt manufacture a cheap sythetic substitute. Helloo?! Big pharma is in the business of making money off expensive drugs not cheap drugs…they follow the $…geeez!

      “SMOKING marijuana causes lung cancer, emphysema, and many other horrible diseases. WHY should nonsmoking Americans have to foot the bill for a bunch of sick, dying POTHEADS?”

      Did you just cut and paste this statement from a cigarette warning label and replace the word “cigarette” with the word “marijuana”? Where’s your facts?!

      “Further, imagine all the “high” drivers on the highways and all the accidents/deaths that will cause. Not to mention all the nutcases “high” on grass who flip out and resort to paranoid, violent acts. And all the increased INCOMPETENCE & ACCIDENTS that will follow, as folks take their 15-minute “pot” breaks then resume working in offices and factories…”

      This statement is so full of fallacies I’m not even going to bother to respond. You really highlight your ignorance and irrationality here.

      “America has enough problems; we do not need to encourage addiction and irresponsible habits like pot-smoking. NO WAY should marijuana be legal..”

      Yes. America has enough problems and legalization of marijuana will go a long way toward alleviating or eliminating some of those problems but I ca

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    • FREEDOMoverFEAR
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 4:15pm

      Ya Dragon if weed is legal then people will smoke on their lunches. Right now it‘s illegal so people don’t do that. I can tell you‘re a woman want to control everyone like you’re their mommy.

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    • Hugh Williams
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 6:38pm

      The extremist are showing themselves with this story. At the Huff Post the leftist don’t mind advocating things they personally don’t like being forcibly stopped. Things such as gun ownership, earning more money than they think you should have, etc. But there is no shortage of this thought and behavior buy the self proclaimed small government conservatives here at The Blaze. The right is just as quick as the left to applaud they government putting its jack boot on the throat of anyone behaving in any manner they don’t approve of. The irony is the leftist admit they want a big government nanny state with the government telling them exactly what to do from birth to death. The conservatives say they want personal freedom and a smaller less intrusive government. But in reality they love it when the government forcibly enforces the morals they support and agree with. Please try and explain how you are different than the leftist you so disagree with.
      P.S. I may wear tye dye but I am not a stoner or even a drinker. I just don’t believe people should be free to only do the things I agree with and like.

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  • KangarooJack
    Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:41pm

    OK. 1st hand experience with the legalization of “Medical” Pot.

    I VOTED FOR THIS. I THOUGHT I was voting for people with Cancer being able to smoke some pot and be able to eat food. Apparently, this is NOT WHAT I VOTED FOR. Nope, apparently I voted for an entire group of people who exhausted their unemployemt {good Lord, don’t EVEN get me started on the Illegal Aliens} who ——We have VAST amounts of people who not ONLY KNOW how to play the Food Stamp/Medicaid programs…they KNOW how to play every other program out there to NOT WORK….NOT DO ANY FRIGGIN THING but live off of stupid women with kids….An ENTIRE Generation of Men who live off of stupid women on Welfare.
    I’m not kidding. I’m not racist at all. It IS THE TRUTH.
    You have ENTIRE cities that COUNT ON FEDERAL TAXDOLLARS TO PAY FOR THEIR WELFARE ROLLS……
    Lord Help Us! We ARE NOT GREECE!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    • NOT A CRAZY
      Posted on August 24, 2012 at 11:09pm

      That was happening a long time before you voted for medical marijuanna.

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    • netmail
      Posted on August 24, 2012 at 11:15pm

      Ok, so this is all true and gives me a strong urge to smoke a blunt just to keep from thinking about it. Obama’s voting machines will spit out a perfectly rolled joint with every democratic party vote registered. That should do it alright….‘Four more years’…in slow motion now, ‘Four more years’.

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    • SCREW-WINDOWS
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 6:30am

      If your stoned you will follow like a good little sheep without a care in the world easy management.

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    • FREEDOMoverFEAR
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 3:02pm

      I own a hydroponic shop in Bakersfield, CA and trust me a lot of people are benefitting from medical marijuana. I just had a customer extremely excited because her test results showed that her lupus hadn’t destroyed her liver yet. Another customer I just helped load the soil into her car because she is in a wheelchair. Just becuase people abuse marijuana doesn‘t mean it doesn’t help others. When I was younger I knew several people who used their insurance to buy pharmaceutical pills and then they would sell those and buy herion. Maybe we should outlaw insurance and vicodin while were at it.

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    • EGsimi1776
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 5:38pm

      actually Screw, most people who smoke pot are generally the ones off doing there own thing not following anybody around and certainly not being sheeple, unlike so many of those oh so clear thinking people on here with their brainwashed “reefer madness” responses to Cannabis use.

      Like so many on The Blaze you speak of things you clearly have no knowledge. Now with that being said, people are what they are and if they are inclined to be sheeple they will be sheeple whether they are stoned or not. The use of Cannabis is not a factor in that equation.

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  • Smokey_Bojangles
    Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:32pm

    Obama and Holder will just send in their Jackboots,and Republicans will pat him on the back,

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