Will Statue of Jesus Get Yanked From Federal Land on Montana Mountain?
- Posted on October 23, 2011 at 6:58pm by
Christopher Santarelli
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KXLH Image of Jesus Statue near Whitefish
A statue of Jesus on U.S. Forest Service land in the mountains over a Montana ski resort could be evicted as out-of-state groups advocating for the separation of church and state, have applied pressure on the Forest Service.
AP reports that the Forest Service gave supporters a small victory by withdrawing its initial decision to boot the Jesus statue from its perch above Whitefish Friday, but the agency warns that “court decisions are stacked against allowing a religious icon on federal land.” Montana Rep. Deny Rehberg has strongly advocated that the Forest Service reconsider its original denial to renew the lease, in order to preserve the popular WWII memorial.
Supporters tout the statue’s significance to the area since its placement in the 1950s, and popularity among skiers passing the statue on the mountain top.
The Madison, Wisconsin-based, Freedom From Religion Foundation argues that the icon cannot be on public land, and is pushing the Forest Service to stand by its decision to remove the statue by next year.
The Billings Gazette writes that Flathead National Forest Supervisor Chip Weber announced that he had withdrawn an earlier decision to deny a special-use permit for the statue, based off new information that the statue may be eligible for listing on the National Register of Historic Places. The Gazette notes that overwhelming support has been shown for the statue from members of the public.
A representative for the Whitefish Mountain Resort told the Gazzette that the announcement that the denial to renew the statue’s lease on the public land had been withdrawn came as “welcome news to everyone on the mountain.”
“The statue and its location have significance to us historically. Our guests really enjoy it, so we are pleased to hear the news,” said resort spokeswoman Riley Polumbus.
The special-use permit that originally allowed a local chapter of the Knights of Columbus to install the memorial was granted in 1953. The KOC installed the statue as a memorial to local veterans of World War II.
Local KPAX video on the controversy:
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wisehiney
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 8:23pmThey need to move it to that drop off at Jackson Hole where I busted my arse.
Report Post »PATTY HENRY
Posted on October 24, 2011 at 1:02amSILLY, SILLY PEOPLE…intimidated by the SON who came and died for your sins? You’re floating around in the Universe on a Ball, don’t know where you came from, never been able to prove evolution, have never been able to KILL the BIBLE or CHRIST…but you want to remove a STATUE? SILLY, SILLY, lost people. Why are you alive? You’ve come to the party but have not walked in the door. YOU have no idea how wonderful JESUS is, how much your life will change. How many things will become clear to you, do you? You just want to be in control…how’s that next breath? you in control of that? OR that next EARTHQUAKE? You got that handled? THIS SAVIOR of HUMANITY deserves a whole lot more respect than you ignorant silly people are giving HIM. IF you don‘t want to believe in Him that’s your loss. Why does it undo you that WE do Believe in HIM. I‘m just sorry you don’t know how much He loves you. Oh, but, He’s not going to force you to be with Him if you deny Him, that’s on you.
Report Post »JJ Coolay
Posted on October 24, 2011 at 2:54amHell in a hand basket
Report Post »motonutt
Posted on October 24, 2011 at 8:38amIn a local news survey they did a poll….it was approx.
500 against removal
65 for removal
This isn’t the only things these out of staters are doing to Montana, they are also doing everything they can to close up as much public forest service land as fast as they can get it done.
As of this year my “ATV” because it is a 2 up (seats 2 people) is no longer classified as an ATV, it’s now considered an “UTV” (utility terrain vehicle) which makes it illegal to use on most of the trails designated for ATV. It‘s just another move by the enviromentalist nazi’s to keep us out of the forest.And most of this kind of legislation comes from easterners that don’t live here, just like this statue removal.
Report Post »jorge_washington
Posted on October 24, 2011 at 10:20am“SILLY, SILLY PEOPLE…intimidated by the SON who came and died for your sins? ”
You Neo-Christians have replaced the message of Jesus which is Love and forgiveness with IDOL worship as in statues of Jesus or the Ten Commandments or a Christmas tree or even words as in Merry Christmas, Santa Claus and the like. Practice his teaching not replace them with idols.
How’s taken back your country working out for you?
Questioning with boldness.
Report Post »motonutt
Posted on October 24, 2011 at 11:50amThe forest service is full of godless enviromentalist‘s nowday’s. Especially in Missoula, the socialist liberal mecca of Montana. They are so far in bed with the EPA and their socialist agenda it’s not funny. So when some God hater group from the socialist republic of Wisconsin come’s out and wants to remove the statue they will fall all over themselves to accomodate the anti-christian nazi’s.
Report Post »Jaycen
Posted on October 24, 2011 at 11:59am@jorge_washington
Not much in terms of reasoning ability, are you?
Do you even know what your own nonsense term means, “neo-Christians”? Marxist/Lenninists always think by putting the word “neo” in front of something makes it “bad”. New (ie modern) Christians are bad because they value the word of God? They’re hypocritial because they focus on physical symbols of their beliefs?
Well, that makes everyone who‘s ever believed in anything they couldn’t prove a hypocritical fool, but your own unsound logic.
Next time, try douching in private, please.
Report Post »Pontiac
Posted on October 24, 2011 at 12:43pm“You’re floating around in the Universe on a Ball, don’t know where you came from, never been able to prove evolution, have never been able to KILL the BIBLE or CHRIST…”
You’re floating around in the Universe on a Ball, you think was created in a few days by proverbial leprechaun, never been able to explain why deeper layers of earth have the remains of lesser evolved lifeforms, you’ve never been able to cure diseases with your bible, made no strides on the human genome, & can’t accept the fusion of two chromosomes to form Chromosome 2 is the reason we evolved from primates.
When it comes to explaining where we came from, this is religions view point in a nut shell http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCiStLKzivM
Report Post »JRook
Posted on October 24, 2011 at 2:08pm@PATTY HENRY Ok your not exactly helping the case here by expounding on the religious position the statue represents. This is where we need some real democracy. Have the people who actually use the park vote on whether to keep it or not. There are instances where majority rule is far superior than proxy rule by the wealthy and their bought politicians.
Report Post »jorge_washington
Posted on October 24, 2011 at 2:14pm“Do you even know what your own nonsense term means, “neo-Christians”?”
Neo as in new compared to the old or original way especially when the “new” completely abandons the values and virtues of the original. We see this today in Neo-Christians in their condemning others (bad enough on its own) for their political ideology or because they belonging to a union or actually going against the poor while supporting the rich or starting, spreading and believing lies of good men.
“Christians are bad because they value the word of God?”
A plastic, metal concrete, stone or other material statue, idol or other physical symbol is not Christianity or the word of God nor represents the teaching of Christianity or the teaching of Jesus.
“They’re hypocritical because they focus on physical symbols of their beliefs?”
When you focus on the physical symbols and forget the message you turn them into idols and eventually these idols replace the teaching.
How’s taking back your country working out for you?
Questioning with boldness.
Report Post »Who would Jesus bomb?
Posted on October 24, 2011 at 2:38pmHell no. They should not move it, and burn in hell if they desecrate it in any way.
Report Post »Jezreel
Posted on October 24, 2011 at 6:34pm“Thalt shalt not make any graven image of God”.
Report Post »WeDontNeedNoSteenkinBadges01
Posted on October 24, 2011 at 8:17pm“Will Statue of Jesus Get Yanked From Federal Land on Montana Mountain?”
I know some will confuse this statue of Jesus the Christ, God & savior of mankind (but don’t know how — the Holy Bible has several clear descriptions of “the son of man” and none of them look like this statue). It might be of Jesus Malverde, or Jesus Mendez, or even Jesus Rejon Aguilar.
So keep it or remove it … it makes no difference to Americans OR Christians. Maybe it’s OWNER would have something to say about it …
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on October 24, 2011 at 8:57pmYo pontiac;
Report Post »you need a mirror
you got no style
leave me…. that’s fine
still got nothing right.
according to you last post…
you got angry and gave up
just what a man does
when he won‘t admit he’s wrong.
Pontiac
Posted on October 24, 2011 at 9:03pmYo 4truth2all, yo.
Timestamps yo. Learn them yo.
Yo.
Report Post »Susie40
Posted on October 25, 2011 at 12:01amSilly Silly Silly
Religious statues are not worshiped, They are merely gentle reminders to jog our heart and mind to “higher” things. Some are beautifully crafted, some are crudely made. They make us think of something. Now whether that thought is in our hearts or not is an individual thing. Frankly, I enjoy them. But certainly do not worship them.
I appreciate a good statue of Abraham Lincoln, it reminds me of his life and what he has done. Don’t ask ME if its a perfect likeness or not. I don’t think that is the intention at all. The same goes for religious statues. They remind us of Jesus, or his holy mother or of saints who truly found the way to live like Christ was teaching them. No big deal really. Just reminders. So, call it a ‘post it note’ if you like. Don’t forget Me, Think about Me, Say a prayer, if you truly believe in your heart what I have taught, you could live a glorious life like…oh say…St. Matthew, St. Mark, St. Luke, St. John. You may die a horrible death, or be persecuted but you will have Joyful Truth in your heart and I will be able to say to you…Well done my good and faithful servant. And welcome you to your eternal home with ME.
A whole lot of hooey over nothing.
If I owned a ceramic little kitty placed on my mantle, that doesn’t mean I worship the cat. Just a wonderful little depiction. It could make me smile or remember a wonderful kitty I had,
Personally, I would rather be reminded of Jesus.
Report Post »M1A2_Tanker
Posted on October 25, 2011 at 12:39am@Jorge_Washington
You said “A plastic, metal concrete, stone or other material statue, idol or other physical symbol is not Christianity or the word of God nor represents the teaching of Christianity or the teaching of Jesus.”
OK smart guy then why do you people want it removed? You just made the greatest argument FOR the statue staying. How can you say this, yet complain about so called “Separation of church and state”?
Report Post »Charles Bronson
Posted on October 25, 2011 at 1:51pmSusie40–
“Religious statues are not worshiped, They are merely gentle reminders to jog our heart and mind to “higher” things.”
Are you lost? Apparently the mountainesque view wasn’t enough of a reminder for you. Besides, it was to remind you of WWII vets, not God. It seems that point has falling flat on its face. Time to find another home for that hideous statue or allow all other religions to propagandize the site.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on October 25, 2011 at 4:05pmYo pontiac:
Report Post »Your mockery points to you not me… I make mistakes… big deal.
You mock my mistakes and AS you do this you make some.
Be what you are…
Pontiac
Posted on October 25, 2011 at 5:22pm@4truth2all
Report Post »Never took you seriously and never will take you seriously. If you think you’ve won some sort of contest good for you. As I said, “Athesium” isn’t a religion and I don’t care if “Atheism” is. Go blow smoke up someone else’s posterior. Your presence isn’t significant to me.
4truth2all
Posted on October 25, 2011 at 10:10pmYo pontiac:
Report Post »I actually do take you seriously, and I don’t hate you.
God says to love your enemy… though I would not call you an enemy,
I would neither call you friend…. doesn’t mean I would not want to.
I am not trying to win an argument / contest, I am trying to reason. I have found that one can not reason with an unreasonable person, and by your blatant contradictory statement concerning atheism all you seem to want to do is be a mean spirited, rude unreasonable person. Is that the kind of person you really want to be?…..Seriously, do you take yourself serious?
Pontiac
Posted on October 25, 2011 at 10:38pm-Athesium = not a religion
Report Post »-Atheism = something I’m discussing with you.
See the difference now?
There was a reason both words were in quotes.
I’m not discussing Atheism with you. Never was.
4truth2all
Posted on October 25, 2011 at 11:14pmYo pontiac:
Report Post »Saw the difference the first time… seem little full of yourself.
You have a good one.
Pontiac
Posted on October 25, 2011 at 11:57pm@4truth2all
Report Post »“and by your blatant contradictory statement concerning atheism ”
Until you quote my contradiction, don’t call me full of myself.
Pontiac
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 1:10am“-Atheism = something I’m discussing with you.”
Report Post »Woops. That should say something I am NOT discussing with you.
www.IMovedOn.org
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 8:18pmA modest observation:
By eliminating all expression of any religion in the public sphere – isn’t Congress establishing a religion? That religion is “Atheism”.
Report Post »madgrizz
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 9:12pmwell said
Report Post »skepticalbecausesomeoneneedstobe
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 9:41pmThe fallacy in your argument lies in the fact that atheism is not religion, in fact the lack there of.
Report Post »and that keeping a religious icon on public land, is pushing a religion. Which, as you know, is unconstitutional.
The-Monk
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 10:43pm@skepticalbecausesomeoneneedstobe
Report Post »So do we need to remove all the crosses in Arlington Cemetery? That’s public land. Right?
Tired of Code Names
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 10:51pmskepticalbecausesomeoneneedstobe
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 9:41pm
The fallacy in your argument lies in the fact that atheism is not religion, in fact the lack there of.
and that keeping a religious icon on public land, is pushing a religion. Which, as you know, is unconstitutional.
@skeptical. I appreciate your reasonable consideration and unabtrusive comments based on your belief. No snide remark. Just your point. However, may I offer this? Religeon is basically a belief. I personally believe in God and am I proud Lutheran Church Missouri Synod. May I ask you on the contrary a question? Our country was founded on religeous tolerance. Fact and truth. Let’s compromise. Are you truly offended that I am a Christian? I do care that you are not if you are athiest. I offer to you what I believe is the truth and the way to life. My Christian Bible tells me that if you are not interested….move on. I’ll leave you alone. You can put up as many anti Christian billboards as you like and feel comfortable with. I’ll deal with it. Remind my kids that you perhaps may be wrong and one day they will get to make that life decision for themselves. Why can’t we Christians put up our own “billboards” or tributes to what we believe. You can simply guide your children to the direction you as a parent believe in. I believe you are misguided, but, how is it fair that you can restrict my speach and you can have unlimited? Satan likes that. Are you comfiortable
Report Post »Pontiac
Posted on October 24, 2011 at 12:01am@Tired of Code Names
“Are you truly offended that I am a Christian?”
I highly doubt he cares that you’re Christian. You’re simply diverting the issue. When Islamic symbols start being placed on public land you will undoubtedly be outraged. What will you have to say then without being a hypocrite?
“Satan likes that. Are you comfiortable”
Your argument is invalid. How can he be “comfiortable” or uncomfortable (btw, STOP USING INTERNET EXPLORER, it doesn’t have spell check) when he believes he isn’t going anywhere? You will never win an argument with proverbial pixie dust. Try logic next time.
–Religion is like a penis. It‘s fine to have one and it’s fine to be proud of it, but you shouldn’t whip it out in public or shove it down people’s throats.–
Chuck Stein
Posted on October 24, 2011 at 12:30amYes. Yes, it is.
Report Post »Lotus4115
Posted on October 24, 2011 at 7:08amNot well said. What if I did not collect coins, a non-coin collector that means I don’t collect coins. If you are an atheist you are non- religious. The lack of belief does not constitute a belief, a non-religion in not a religion. Atheism does not equal Theism. Stop using this idea it is idiotic.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on October 24, 2011 at 11:11amYo BLAZE:……Pontiac
What is with the “report post” being missing from pathetic pontiac’s post ?
I am reporting his post for pathetic pontiac puniness language.
Religion ~ a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith.
Must I also state the meaning of the word ador and faith.
So yes, athesium is a religion. Time to zip up …. boy would I like to use some more words here BLAZE
Report Post »Jaycen
Posted on October 24, 2011 at 11:55am@skepticalbecausesomeoneneedstobe
Belief that there is no God, which you cannot prove, is indeed a religious belief. No fallacy on his part, but erroneous logic on yours.
Report Post »Pontiac
Posted on October 24, 2011 at 12:03pm@4truth2all
Your last little post report spat failed because penis isn’t a dirty word.
Stop trying to obfuscate someones speech when you have no argument. Its pathetic.
“athesium is a religion.”
Report Post »No, its not. Athesium isn’t even a word. If you would stop using a crappy internet browser (Internet Explorer) you would know that.
Oldtimer2
Posted on October 24, 2011 at 12:18pm@ Pontiac –Religion is like a penis. It‘s fine to have one and it’s fine to be proud of it, but you shouldn’t whip it out in public or shove it down people’s throats.– Unless you’re a GLBT activist working for social justice, then it’s perfectly fine. Repeat after me, This Is What Democracy Looks Like,,,,This Is What Democracy Looks Like,,,,This Is……………………………………………………..
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on October 24, 2011 at 1:35pmYo pontiac:
Your use of it is pathetic and crude…. is that better.
You abuse what freedom is meant for… I know you don’t get it.
christian = belief = set of values = religion
atheist = belief = set of values = religion
atheism is a word ( I mis-spelled it- athesium) what does the browser have to do with it?
atheism: a) a disbelief in the existence of diety b) the doctrine that there is no deity
Report Post »swallow that ace!
obfuscate: DARKEN, to make obscure, confuse
Your own comments make your words obscure and darkened, which is why at the least I personally don’t like them, and if i was the Blaze they’d be gone and would advise you to reTHINK your anology. If you would be unwilling… to bad….my freedom.
Pontiac
Posted on October 24, 2011 at 3:26pm“what does the browser have to do with it?”
Its called “spell check”. Something IE never had and wont have unless you pay microsoft additional money. Meanwhile every other free browser on the market has moved onto better things.
“your words obscure and darkened, which is why at the least I personally don’t like them, and if i was the Blaze they’d be gone and would advise you to reTHINK your anology. ”
Its spelled ANALOGY…
Report Post »You and people like you on the Blaze are exactly why I moved from a neutral position on religion to a “Get out of my FACE” position. The hypocrisy, suppression of opposing views, racial bigotry, and denial of science is not only tiresome but sickening.
Hayabusa
Posted on October 24, 2011 at 6:13pmPontiac, I’d like to thank you for bringing a smile to what has been an otherwise dreary and boring day.
“Its called “spell check”.”
“Its spelled ANALOGY…”
Just a little FYI. It’s spelled “it’s“ not ”its” in the context you’re using the word. I have to take off two points for condescension (one for each post), one point for a lack of originality, two points for improper spelling or grammar (I’ll let you categorize it yourself but still one for each instance), one point for relying on a web browser to save you from your own stupidity, one point for failing at trying to be smarter than The Blaze and its (see how “its” is properly used?) fans, and one more point for hypocrisy (trying to force your “stuff” down people’s throats).
So, if my counting is correct, you scored a 2 out of 10. Congratulations! And please, do come back. You’re entertaining in your ignorance and failed superiority.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on October 24, 2011 at 6:53pmYo pontiac:
Thanks for the spelling corrections… never claimed porfection.
Your last paragraph has nothing to do with me, cause I’m not there. You can believe anything you want, I’m not a racist, and I do not deny true science.
Is that the best you can do… condemn my spelling and falsely accuse me of things, and blame your dislike of God on me and others?
Report Post »Pontiac
Posted on October 24, 2011 at 7:28pm“Just a little FYI. It’s spelled “it’s“ not ”its” ”
Never gave it any thought but thanks, I’ll start using that to irritate you guys now. I’m always looking to improve my grammar.
“one more point for hypocrisy (trying to force your “stuff” down people’s throats).”
Report Post »When I start putting up ugly statues of…Richard Darwin or…something that represents atheism on public land, or tell you to stop believing in god, or complain that the Blaze wont censor your religious post, then you can lecture me on hypocrisy.
4truth2all
Posted on October 24, 2011 at 8:12pmYo pontiac:
You can post all the atheist views you want,
and I never lectured you on anything.
Your language lacked decency which you seem incapable of admitting, and my position and thoughts on that will not change.
Keep trying… so far all you got right is my ability to not spell correctly at times which I hate as much as anybody.
Report Post »Pontiac
Posted on October 24, 2011 at 8:23pmI leave you with Fatjack
http://tinyurl.com/5uxyfsx
(Goodness, lets not vote for a person with a different skin color. The Bible tells us so.)
Report Post »Hayabusa
Posted on October 25, 2011 at 12:17amPontiac,
If your community wants to put a statue of the flying spaghetti monster in the public square or on federal land, I couldn’t care less. The funny thing is atheists go out of their way, in this case by traveling outside their state, to cry about what another community has done. Funny how honoring the greatest generation with a statue of Jesus is somehow an imperative for atheists to tear down fifty years after the fact. Funny how atheists keep telling the public that atheism is a lack of belief in a god yet that lack of belief is really driving them to piss on everyone’s parade. I don‘t think there’s a single other “non-belief” that drives a group of people to interfere in the lives of others, just miserable atheists. No matter how hard atheists try and remove God from their presence, He’ll still occupy their minds. It seems they think that fighting images will lead to satisfaction. They just don’t understand that God will keep Himself in their heads. It‘s not the image that’s convicting you, it’s God through your own heart.
And by the way, atheism IS a religion as commented on by the SCOTUS and legally affirmed by the 7th District Court of Appeals. But hey, let’s not have facts get in the way of your religious beliefs.
Report Post »M1A2_Tanker
Posted on October 25, 2011 at 12:55am@Pontiac
“Stop trying to obfuscate someones speech when you have no argument. Its pathetic.”
Accusations unto others, for that which you are supporting makes you a complete pinhead!
Report Post »Charles Bronson
Posted on October 25, 2011 at 2:04pmhttp://www.IMovedOn.org–
Report Post »“By eliminating all expression of any religion in the public sphere – isn’t Congress establishing a religion? That religion is “Atheism”.”
The absence of religious idols and symbols isn’t establishing anything. If a community placed a pentagram on public land to memorialize war veterans would you be so quick to dismiss it?
Pontiac
Posted on October 25, 2011 at 10:45pm@M1A2_Tanker
“Accusations unto others, for that which you are supporting makes you a complete pinhead!”
He has vocally admitted wanting my post removed. This was his second attempt. When and where have I said his post should be removed?
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 8:16pmNo one knows what Christ looked like… I think it is Mohammed!
Report Post »AB5r
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 8:32pmNo, Muhammad had horns, piercing eyes, a scowl, and blood dripping off his hands.
Report Post »Robert-CA
Posted on October 24, 2011 at 12:13am@ AB5R
Well replied .
Also don’t forget the 9 – 10 – 11 – 12 – 13 year old girls standing next to him .
Report Post »Joyzee
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 8:11pmThere is no Public or Private or any land owned or heaven above where the Spirit of Christ Like the air around you is anyway!..silly humans
Report Post »scout n ambush
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 8:05pmIn order to get a country to accept socialism you must remove God and then remove guns those are the two things that are missing from every socialist or communist country,Their govt replaces god and they have all the guns .
Report Post »momprayn
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 8:23pmYes, that‘s what gives me some encouragement about the present regime’s attempt to make us Socialists/Marxist — the good news is in their arrogance and ignorance, they underestimate the numbers here that are courageous, patriotic, God-fearing type ppl who won’t surrender without a huge fight, using guns if necessary & also since they are usually “godless”, they don’t expect God to intervene. So if we have God on our side, we will be victorious — but the bad news is God is not too happy with us. I feel we’re being “chastised” right now and have come under His holy just judgement
Report Post »& will be suffering for awhile but I’m sure He hopes it will wake us up & bring us to repentance & has plans to restore us in the end because we still do have many godly ppl here and had godly Founders who sacrificed a lot & prayed for our success under Him which He remembers. It was not in vain.
scout n ambush
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 8:38pmMP saved by grace and protected by the divine insp behind our U.S Constitution he gives us the power to defend our country, family,faith, property and self.
Report Post »loveoursoldiers
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 8:02pmWell, we can’t become an Islamic nation with statues of Jesus and crosses around…. cripes.. we must transform our country.. right Barry?.. we must change our customs and our culture.. right Moochelle?
Report Post »hey.. Barry and Moochelle.. NEVER will this country be under Islamic rule.. NEVER EVER
Consentiondum
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 8:15pmThe point is you can have statues of Jesus and crosses all over the place if you want. On your church, on your land… this is a specific Deity on government land. It’s pretty clear cut, it doesn’t belong there anymore than a Shiva statue would.
Report Post »AB5r
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 8:20pmYou people who scoff at America becoming Islamic are really a total joke. IF ISLAM IS ALLOWED TO SPREAD HERE, AMERICA WILL BECOME ISLAMIC EVENTUALLY. Unless you envision some point long in the future when there is a massive civil war with tons and tons of casualties and Islam is finally removed at great cost in lives and treasure after it have been allowed to spread all throughout the land for hundreds of years. Get a grip. Just face facts, your descendants WILL be living in an Islamic land, and they won’t have the so-called freedoms and rights that America had when it was founded. If we, in this generation, having experienced 9/11, the destruction of the World Trade Center before our eyes on live TV, are incapable of stopping the spread of Islam then who or when exactly will some quote unquote “Americans” finally do that? Oh, I get it, we are waiting until after they use nukes to completely remove New York City entirely, THEN we will get mad, THEN we will do something about Islam.
Report Post »babylonvi
Posted on October 24, 2011 at 12:36pmAB, you are absolutely correct. The Communists, socialists great unwashed 99%ers will be fooled to join the jihad and will themselves be disposed of in the end. This theocratic political ‘party’ has committed conquest across the globe since it’s inception. It didn’t spread from Spain to Indonesia by use of missionaries of tent revivals. The west is the only place(except maybe Australia or Antarctica) not over run and don’t think for a minute we are not in their sights, even if it means nuclear destruction so the 12th Imam can return.
Report Post »garyM
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 7:59pmPsychosis I surprised you left moveon.org long enough to post on the Blaze! LOL
Report Post »garyM
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 7:55pmPsychosis you know better than that, it’s not freedom from religion, it says,
Report Post »Your rights to Freedom of Religion and the free exercise thereof means:
The Freedom of Religion is an inalienable right.
The First Amendment provides for the Freedom of Religion for all Americans.
The Free Exercise Clause provides that government will neither control nor prohibit the free exercise of one’s religion.
The government will remain neutral.
So, go ahead and pray – or don’t. Go to church – or sleep in.
Heffe44
Posted on October 24, 2011 at 11:31am@GARYM
You’re not correct. You left out part of the text. Here is the whole Amendment. “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
You will notice in the first part of the first sentence, which your left out, says the goverment will make no establishment of religon. Having a religous symbol or statue on federal land has been determined by the SCOTUS to be an “establishment of religon” The statue has to go.
Report Post »qban
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 7:50pmDefine legally atheism a new kind of religion so they also have to play by the rules. Religion is a set of beliefs that define your response to your surrounding environment. So you believe in God, then you will have a set of rules to go on with your life. You have a set of moral rules to live your life. So, what difference it make from atheism? Atheists believe there is no God, then they have a different reponse to the environment. They have a different set of moral or ethic rules. So if you compare the meaningof religion (no the definition, by definition religion is the devotion to a religious faith) , then since no-religion is also another set of beliefs and another set of moral and ethic rules, therefore it is also a religion. Am I talking BS or this make any sense?
Report Post »The10thAmendment
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 8:05pmAtheists do NOT have a set of morals. The have what’s known as moral equivalence. That stems back to the age of Socrates (perhaps even earlier) and metaethical pardons over religious absolutes. Thus we see a festering prevalence in todays society based on multiculturalism and tolerance.
Atheism IS a religion however. it’s the worship of self. Atheists believe that “they” can build a world of utopia based on human engineering and social constructs. They are also likely to fall into lockstep with the technocracy of global governance because the United States is firmly anchored Constitutionally to the Nations Charter based on the Supreme Judge of the World, who is the Creator, and Natures God.
Report Post »momprayn
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 8:11pmYes, that’s very good – I’ve been saying that for a long time. But the atheists will argue you down with ridiculous, convoluted, confusing explanations about why it isn’t….so they won’t be vulnerable to laws prohibiting their religion (like in schools, etc.) plus they don’t like to think that they believe in a “religion”. They say they hate “religion”. To me, you can also say that about “Progressiveism”, “Humanism”, etc. which is indeed taught in our schools. I don’t know if there has been any serious movements to declare them “religions” or what. Site: http://creation.com/atheism-a-religion
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Posted on October 23, 2011 at 8:21pmThe10thAmendment
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Atheism IS a religion however. it’s the worship of self. Atheists believe that “they” can build a world of utopia based on human engineering and social constructs. They are also likely to fall into lockstep with the technocracy of global governance because the United States is firmly anchored Constitutionally to the Nations Charter based on the Supreme Judge of the World, who is the Creator, and Natures God.
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An atheist has to believe in God in order to deny that he exists. Otherwise, what would be the purpose of denying the existence of a non-existent entity? Or, is that too rational?
The10thAmendment
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 8:22pm@ momprayn
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 8:11pm
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I love atheists. I think they’re the most easily defeated in debate of any secular humanist sect. They make it easy for Christians to expose their irrational notions of self grandeur.
I think atheists will one day make fine zoo animals.
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Posted on October 23, 2011 at 8:29pm@ Whirled Peas
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 8:21pm
An atheist has to believe in God in order to deny that he exists. Otherwise, what would be the purpose of denying the existence of a non-existent entity? Or, is that too rational?
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I think you have the right answer.
4truth2all
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 8:37pmThink I’d rather see lions, tigers, and bears. I bet they like atheists too though!
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Posted on October 24, 2011 at 12:48am@ 4truth2all
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 8:37pm
Think I’d rather see lions, tigers, and bears. I bet they like atheists too though!
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Then I think it should be a mixed social society set up in those cages where the Tigers sleep with the atheists! Be an a neat little Darwinian experiment to see if the dominant great apes can procreate with human beings.
4truth2all
Posted on October 24, 2011 at 6:39pmYo Blaze:
Report Post »Just the facts…
garyM
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 7:48pmThey can yank a statue of Jesus all they want but one day every knee will still bow and confess He is Lord and it won”t be good for those who he don‘t know him and he don’t know! no one can yank Jesus from our heart!
Report Post »Greenwood
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 8:09pm1 John 5: 21 Little children, guard yourselves from idols.
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 11:04pmAn athiest doesn’t deny that God exists. When asked they say they BELIEVE that God does not exist. They are not denying [as if they know more then you know] but merely asserting that they believe [that God does not exist]..An agnostic is abstaining from believing either that God exists or that God does not exist.He is neutral and has not assented to a belief [that God exists or to a belief that God does not exist].Both are perfectly honest and valid positions-to be an athiest or an agnostic faith is a gift[as mother theresa says].It is not given to all and when given should be nurtured or it can die]. The Church[i'm a catholic] is an aid in deepening and strenghening our faith in Jesus Christ. Without the Church faith is very lacklustre [for me any way]. faith is a crutch-but we need a crutch to give meaning to our fleeting existence .At least I do and that the Church is there[a gift from our Lord Jesus Christ-I believe] to deepen our faith and remind us of our true calling [salvation in heaven with the Lord] is a sign of God’s love for mankind. the alpha and the omega for all of us.
Report Post »ThomasNast
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 7:47pmUS Constitution: Bill of Rights: Amendment 1:
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, NOR PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF (religion); or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
“Nor prohibiting the free exercise (of religion) thereof” means neither the congress, nor the senate, nor the president, nor the Czars, nor the ACLU can PROHIBIT free speech and free expression of religion.. at school, in the courthouse, in the capital, in the congress, in the military, even on a mountaintop.
We need to take a cue from the progressive left bolshevicks and re-litigate re-litigate re-litigate like we’re Al Gore counting his districts endlessly while disenfranchising deployed active duty military votes. This “settled law” (Since Dixiecrats won it once) doctrine needs to end. They don’t respect “settled law” – not in the slightest. So why do we? Re-litigate it. Our case is LEGALLY STRONGER!
We’ve given ground and given ground trying to get along. Good men making compromises with evil. We need to do what they do, use their own tactics against them, and push their backs to the sea – instead of letting them do it to us, then saying “oh it’s settled.. I guess. Guess we might as well get wet.”
Report Post »cdcats8
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 7:46pmAsk the people who frequent the mountain what they think. If it has been there since the 50′s let it stay and grandfather it in, but if too many, more than half, say they don’t want it there then they probably need to know Jesus. I as a Christian, am sick to death of those “watch dogs” that get funding from who knows where to bring these things to light. Trouble makers that love making trouble.
Report Post »cemerius
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 11:03pmIn a perfect world yes. This FFRF parasites are travelling the country with ambulance chasing lawyers to sue whereever they can…..when they make the country “godless” the Muslims can take over……madness!!
Report Post »cemerius
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 7:38pmIf the Federal Government had a heart they could “grandfather” and sell the little plot of land this statue sits on…..say a 4 x 4 foot tract of land for 50 cents!!??
Report Post »ares338
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 7:38pmI really don’ t care what they do with it. If it was me I’d leave it but move it to the nearest spot not on federal land. No big deal. Everything doesn’t have to be a big deal…sheesh!
Report Post »cemerius
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 7:41pmThen why was the statue there for over 60 years with no complaints…yet now this fancy FFRF decides to push the issue of “seperation of church and state”…Yeah it’s a “big deal”!!! These parasites need to practice their athiesm and look at the statue as if it’s just a statue……it’s not like I think that the Lord of the Rings is anything but a fantasy story……..
Report Post »lodgerat
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 7:34pmI wonder if these guys know Congress had Bibles published for distribution to public schools.
Report Post »docmd
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 7:33pmAny time you remove__GOD__things will only get worse . Like__JESUS CHRIST__said”you deny me and __I__will deny YOU to my __FATHER__……….
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 7:33pmNOPE! JESUS and the mountain HE CREATED stay. The FFRF may leave. NOW!
Report Post »geonj
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 7:22pmthese pety athiests make me sick. church and state, church and state. they whine like babies. as if this statue of Jesus might strike them dead. most of these fools have no idea what the first amendment means in regard to the idea of no state sponsored church.
Report Post »AB5r
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 7:22pmMake it a statue of Muhammad along with a plaque reading “If the mountain won’t come to Muhammad, Muhammad must go to the mountain.”
Report Post »cassandra
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 7:15pmIt dosen‘t matter if the statue is on state land or not the 1 st amendment allows the state the RIGHT of expressing religion to make it short Congress shall make no law PROHIBITING the free excercise thereof Why can’t these people get it straight ? can’t they read english
Report Post »Psychosis
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 7:09pmno such thing as separation of church and state
it is separation of church FROM state
yes, that one little word changes the whole meaning
just like natural born citizen, citizen, and naturalized citizen
if there wasnt a difference in the terms, they wouldnt be written in the same sentence in the constitution
words …………….lefties like to change em, and the rest of the lefties are to dumb to know the difference
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 7:12pmThat is the way of the Progressives, if you cannot change the wording itself, then change the meaning of the words. One more part of the collective assault on the meaning and traditions of what it is to be American.
Report Post »Lemon Party Patriot
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 7:33pmBlah blah blah
Do you want to follow the constitution or not?
Because you only seem to want to trot it out when it is to your benefit. Fools.
Report Post »let us prey
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 9:04pmlemon
Report Post »Congress ignores the constitution all the time. The pres ignores the constitution too. What other leader wanted a national police force.[A man with a tiny mustache] Is your answer to take religion out of the country? Look at China, they took most of their religion away and most of their human rights. Their civilians have paid a heavy price. What is your point?
Lemon Party Patriot
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 9:58pmI don’t need religion as a crutch. It’s sad that so many do. It’s also pathetic.
You can’t have too much of any one thing. You need balance. Too much capitalism is just as bad as too many social programs.
It‘s harder to innovate when you’re expected to turn a larger and larger profit each quarter. That’s a major part of why this country is going down the 5hitter. But most of you people here have never been to business school so all you understand is bumper sticker slogans.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 10:21pmLemon Party Patriot
You could regard the statue similar to the Christ Redeemer at Rio de Janeiro. Sure it is not world famous but it is a local draw.
Report Post »Lemon Party Patriot
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 10:34pmI don’t give a 5hit if the statue is there or not. I just marvel at you guys and your inconsistency.
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on October 24, 2011 at 12:13am@Lemon Party Patriot
Report Post »OK, had enough of you, ACIGYW. Good night sour lemon.
The Divided States of America
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 7:07pmScrew this separation of church and state, there wouldn’t be any state with out Jesus !!!
Report Post »Sam Brown
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 7:06pmIf Obama has his way a drone will missile the statue and he will proclaim victory again.
Report Post »Exrepublisheep
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 7:05pmI say it can stay but not be maintained with tax dollars. Grandfather type of clause.
Report Post »I.Gaspar
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 7:04pmHow long will it be before these people ban Christmas and Easter?
Report Post »It could happen in our lifetime…if we don’t stop them.
britlynz
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 7:46pmI worry little about such things. This war was won on the third day when a risen Jesus conquered death. Those who have declared war on Christianity do so in vane. As for me and my house, we shall emulate the prophets and serve the Lord with the full knowledge that our God ALWAYS makes the persecuted church stronger.
Maranatha!
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